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So that's a great"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1013.62,"endTime":1017.7,"body":"place also in the springtime."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1017.82,"endTime":1019.98,"body":"And then, of course, we've"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1017.82,"endTime":1019.98,"body":"talked about this ad nauseam,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1019.98,"endTime":1023.72,"body":"but the Columbia River Gorge is"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1019.98,"endTime":1023.72,"body":"prime in the spring, the flowers"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1023.72,"endTime":1025.94,"body":"are incredible. In the"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1023.72,"endTime":1025.94,"body":"springtime, the waterfalls are"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1025.94,"endTime":1028.88,"body":"roaring. That's one of the best"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1025.94,"endTime":1028.88,"body":"times to be in the gorge. And"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1028.88,"endTime":1030.98,"body":"you will not be alone in the"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1028.88,"endTime":1030.98,"body":"gorge. In the spring,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1031.579,"endTime":1034.039,"body":"you will not"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1031.579,"endTime":1034.039,"body":"it's very busy there, but it's"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1034.039,"endTime":1038.959,"body":"cool. 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The other thing you"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1046.119,"endTime":1050.619,"body":"can do that really helps us is"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1050.619,"endTime":1055.419,"body":"leave us a rating and or a"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1050.619,"endTime":1055.419,"body":"review that really helps with"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1055.419,"endTime":1059.499,"body":"other people finding the"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1055.419,"endTime":1059.499,"body":"podcast, and helps us be able to"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1059.499,"endTime":1064.379,"body":"grow keep bringing you the"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1059.499,"endTime":1064.379,"body":"podcast. Thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1064.379,"endTime":1066.839,"body":"listening. Happy Spring. You."}]}