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05: US Masters Takes Centre Stage in a Huge Week of Sports & Racing!

• Allan Hillzinger • Season 1 • Episode 5

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There was lots of drama in the world of betting this week and we sense it is not going to slow down this week! 
 
Unpack the rollercoaster ride of a week with host Allan and his side-kick Ryan:

  • The punters triumph at Randwick 
  • Rangers dramatic draw with Celtic
  • The Golden Easter Egg delay & rescheduling
  • AFL & NRL big bets and market movers
  • A brand new EXCLUSIVE to Chasebet "hit the post" market for the AFL
  • and of course.... what would a show this week be without a deep dive into The iconic US Master Tournament.

Questioning your next betting moves? 
Strap in for:

  • Strategic play-by-play's on AFL, NRL golf and racing markets. 
  • the dilemma of whether to follow the early market moves or bide your time until late
  • An array of Masters Tournament golf bets
  • expert tips and strategies for greyhound racing and a future star to follow

And this week, we receive a nostalgic touch from seasoned Bookmaker Damian as he reflects on the ever-evolving world of bookmaking: from the personal connections on the track to the precision of digital betting. This conversation isn't just about numbers; it's about the heart of the game and where it's headed. 

Tune in for insights, laughter, and that tidbit that might just give you the edge in your next wager!

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to we Betcha, a betting podcast dedicated to providing comprehensive information, tips and education that will take your punting entertainment to another level. I'm your host, alan Hilzinger from Chasebet, sporting CEO, professional gambler and now bookmaker. Ceo, professional gambler and now bookmaker. Tune in as I unleash my sometimes unconventional approach and views on all the current sports and racing. Episode five, ryan already up to episode five, and let's just jump straight into it. Mate, we don't need to mess about Last week's racing. We lost Wentworth Park, the Easter egg and the Friday night meeting as well was lost in Greyhound Racing. It was in doubt whether Randwick would go ahead, but kudos to the track staff out at Randwick and, in effect, really the track played pretty well.

Speaker 2:

The track was outstanding on Saturday night, absolutely. And yeah, g'day to everyone. And yeah, well, we saw some wonderful racing. Obviously, you know Celestial Legend winning the Doncaster, amongst other things, riff Rocket winning the Derby and we really, despite the track being absolutely brilliant, looking amazing on the telly, great racing. We got our backside handed to us on satellite round.

Speaker 1:

we didn't win uh, mate, celestial legend was definitely a punters winning horse for the doncaster this year and I know throughout the years it's certainly been a race that's thrown up some different results. However, celestial legend was well found by the punters, was backed early, was backed late and I dare say, uh, outside of that race as well, there are a few others that were a little bit nasty for the bookies, mate yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

Uh, it ultimately started early in the day as well. Um, like, storm boy was was very, very easy, as we know, and um pointed um, uh, you know. So we started off there. But one of the bigger losses of the day was on good banter in. I think it was race four at Randwick. We got absolutely hammered late on that, run up by a lot of sharpies and, yeah, we really felt the wrath of it, winning at I think it was like $9 into $5 or something like that.

Speaker 1:

There was no banter around the Chasebet Zoom trade chat. Then, mate, either was there the guys out there listening the Chasebet team have a Zoom chat as we're working away with people working around all over Australia and there was certainly no good banner at that point of the day.

Speaker 2:

No, there certainly wasn't, and it didn't get any better either. A lot, with Manal winning, obviously, one of the bigger races earlier in the day, that race we were talking about with Storm Boy.

Speaker 1:

Right on the line as well. Right on the line.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and that hurt. Then we felt a little bit better after Shane Lightning won, but, yeah, our feelings certainly turned back to core once we saw Celestial Legend and then Riff Rocket win the next two races. So, yeah, definitely a winning day for the punters on Saturday at Randwick with us here at Chase.

Speaker 1:

Big bounce back for them, mate. The easter egg as well. Obviously, the easter egg was postponed track. They made that announcement early, which, yeah, kudos to the people making the announcement early as well. Allow the trainers, allow the you know preparations, all that kind of stuff. We're going to see them take place this week. Easter egg heats remain the same. Box draws draws remain the same. The heats of the other races, however, have been redrawn. So, mate, just run us through this upcoming week as well. What have we got? Let's start with the Greyhounds. Let's start with the Golden Easter egg. I know we did touch on them last week. Has much changed? Has there been much money? What can you share with us around that?

Speaker 2:

Well, I can share to you that, for those that haven't heard, mckenna had a, which is a favourite for the Easter egg for those of you that don't know, currently $4 with us to chase. But had a trial at Maitland as a bit of a blowout on Monday when 21.88, it has been reported to be 176. I believe that's incorrect, 21.88, just outside the track record there at Maitland which which stands at $21.86. And what a lovely little blowout going into the semifinals this Saturday night for McKenna and deserve a clear favourite at $4. Tim Zoo at $6. Smooth Plan 850. August Bob $10. And then we've got three other runners Nanga Larry, zippy, megatron and All Natural, all at $12.

Speaker 1:

Mate and I did see earlier today a couple of very, very sizable bets to win. I think around $5,000 and $6,000 were placed on One Hot Bandit and Omega Travis to win the entire Easter egg. So a couple of big bets there at longer odds, I think around $34 and $26 or something like that as well, mate.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely, and we're currently offering the best odds on a particular run of the Angel Shirley. I'm seeing it's currently $31 with us. It's a lot less elsewhere. So if you do like Angel Shirley, make sure you come and have a bet with us here at Chasebet.

Speaker 1:

Beautiful mate. And what have we got in the horse races in the Gallops Great, the Sydney Cup, the Queen Elizabeth, Queen of the Turf, the Oaks, just to name a few of the big races? Can you take us through a few of the markets there and have there been any early movements, any early big bets? Of note for the punters out there?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, the big bets started flying for the horse that was scratched last week. Lady of Camelot in the Percy Sox States Very, very heavily backed, opened $2.80 into $2.40, with us now at Chasebet Clearly the best back runner on early betting for the weekend. And, yeah, clearly the best back runner on early betting for the weekend. And yeah, there's obviously some clear followers of this Galloper as money continues to happen as it did last Saturday before it was scratched. So, lady of Camelot, clearly best bet all weekend. We have seen some money for the favourite in the next race in the Arafield sprint as well. Osmosis $3.20 into $3. Moving through the Australian Oaks Orchestral Been pretty quiet on the Orchestral front so far, but I am expecting to see some really heavy money coming for orchestral on Saturday morning.

Speaker 1:

Do you think $1.50, $1.55, I think it was last I looked. Does it start shorter? Is it going to start less than 2-1 on? Is it going to start better than 2-1 on? If you were having a bet on orchestral, would you be waiting or would you be taking the early market?

Speaker 2:

$. If you were having a bet on orchestral, would you be waiting?

Speaker 1:

or would you be taking the early market?

Speaker 2:

$1.65, currently $1.65, sorry mate, it will be $1.55, $1.50 come race time. I think Zardozzi will probably shorten from $4.20 to $3.80 and then they'll clear out and the rest of them will end up blowing out in the market. Autumn Angel was a great run the other day on probably an unsuitable track, being heavy. But backing up after such a slugfest last Saturday to this week, I just question that. So I'd be prepared to lay it. But yeah, orchestral Zardozzi, I'd expect to see money around those two Gallipers.

Speaker 2:

The Sydney Cup's an interesting one this year, isn't it? Because Very, yeah, we've got. You know, there's obviously these horses that were supposed to be flying and going to start a favour and have ended up being scratched out of the race and obviously Calipor, winning at 60-1 the other week, is now $8.50. So it's a bit of a shift when you look at markets over the last few weeks with runners, but we haven't seen a lot of action in the Sydney Cup. But it's obviously quite a big field and will be an interesting race. But the big ones ultimately the Queen Elizabeth, isn't it? And uh, we see, as we touched on mr brightside, would they? Would they tip him out? Well, it looks like he's racing and uh, all the rage is certainly via sustainer. And uh, two dollars twenty, with us here at chase bet four dollars prior to jenny eight fifty, cascadian ten dollars, mr brightside mate, mr brightside, ten dollars.

Speaker 1:

I know this is a real discussion. A month ago, six weeks, there is no way that Mr Brightside was going to be anything close to $10 in this race, was it?

Speaker 2:

No, absolutely not. No, it would have definitely been closer to that prior to Jenny Mark, around the $4 mark, so yeah, but I mean, look, ultimately you know it's recent racing we're going to make- the decision, though.

Speaker 1:

It is what it is, isn't it? And I suppose we'll all be. We'll have a little bit of egg on our face if Mr Brightside does win. I just can't see it. Yeah, definitely not.

Speaker 2:

I'd prefer to be backing the international that ran second, the VS Sustainer that plays to Carousel in front of Mr Brightside. I thought it was a terrific first-up effort here in Australia and you get $11 about it.

Speaker 1:

Well, let's shift gears, let's have a look at the AFL, and while we'll talk about last week's games, I also am very, very interested in what the market has done with Melbourne's, what I would consider a very, very impressive win, and what they are now doing in the premiership market.

Speaker 2:

Yes, well, melbourne's back to $7, sitting on the equal third line of betting along with Carlton PWS, still clear favourites. I think Sydney are under the $6. I mean we said that clearly last week. I mean I know they obviously won again, but I think they're a lay at $6 and ultimately have chase. But we'll continue to do so until we feel like it's the right kind of price.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely mate, melbourne Carp at $7, collingwood $9, port Adelaide $10, and then Brisbane Lions at $12, along with Geelong, who I still think are great value at $12.

Speaker 1:

Mate $12 for Brisbane. It's an interesting one. I mean they put away North Melbourne. Obviously it's North Melbourne, obviously it's North Melbourne. It's possibly the right timing for them to just get that. Let's call it an easy kill, for want of a better term. This week will be a big decider on where their season goes.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, absolutely, and they certainly need to ship up. I mean, obviously they did last week, but they weren't playing much in North Melbourne, so look.

Speaker 1:

Melbourne. Melbourne v Brisbane will be huge. It will be.

Speaker 2:

And I expect Melbourne, the way they've played and winning two games away in South Australia against, obviously, port and Adelaide, to probably beat Brisbane. But you know, that's the way I see it, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Mate any big bets of note for this week.

Speaker 2:

On the AFL. Yeah, no, we definitely have seen some early money, that's for sure. And not really on that game, though. It was actually on the following game, which was Western Bulldogs versus Essendon. We've seen some really good bets on Western Bulldogs at $1.90 minus $15.50. And we've also seen some very good monies just straight out in the head-to-head at Western Bulldogs, so clearly the best-backed AFL game with us. So we have seen a little bit of sprinkling around for Adelaide, again at plus 23.5, $1.90. But after last week they're gone for me.

Speaker 1:

Just a little bit gone. Being an Adelaide boy, being an Adelaide boy, that hurts too, right it?

Speaker 2:

does, although I'm not an Adelaide Crows fan, believe it or not. So I'm actually a Kangaroos fan. So I shouldn't say that aloud, because that hurt even more on the weekend. That allowed, because that hurt even more on the weekend. And we're playing, I think, arguably probably one of the best midfields in the division North Melbourne on the weekend, when we play each along and the line there is set at 55.5. So if you think North Melbourne can keep Brad Delong to a 56-point game, it's probably not a bad bet. But maybe get any of my money, that's for sure.

Speaker 1:

Mate and talk us through. There is a brand new market on Chasebet. We do not believe that there is another bookmaker in Australia that offers this market. I don't even know whether they have ever offered this market and it's courtesy of our mates at PuntersPod. If you haven't watched the PuntersPod boys on YouTube or TikTok, make sure you find them. We've partnered with the PuntersPod boys and they've come up with a market which is around hitting the post to score a point. Now can you take us through the markets that we have available and what that looks like and how someone can have a bet?

Speaker 2:

Yes, sure. So ultimately under Australian rules, on the site or in the app, you'll find four markets, ultimately the AFL Premiership Games. You'll also find two other new markets Hit the Post, unders and Overs and you'll see Hit the Post Extras, but we'll do the Unders and Overs first. We have set the line here at Chasebet at 19.5 times, so 19 points ultimately. Right that points will be scored from the ball hitting the post, so you can go under that or over that.

Speaker 1:

And that's for the entire round, correct, Ryan?

Speaker 2:

Correct. So it's for the round. So the round starts tomorrow night, thursday night, at 7.30pm. So ultimately, you'll have to have your wages on prior to that because it's for the round. So, ultimately, if you feel that there's going to be 20 points or more scored from the ball hitting the post, you would take over. If there's going to be less than that, it'll be under.

Speaker 1:

What do you think is Gart's favourite mate? I think it's a very, very tight race and we know, based on historical data, that it's very, very close. Which way would you go?

Speaker 2:

I don't know 19.5, probably slightly over on that one. I think they're aligned this week. You know, I think last week was 21.5.

Speaker 1:

And there was one extra game last week. We've got the eight games there was.

Speaker 2:

So we dropped back to the game. So 19 might be about right. Yeah, so very interesting. But if you really want to be technical with it, you can actually go to our extras part AFL round five, hit the post extras and actually select between like three points where you obviously get quite inflated markets. So, for an example, 18 to 20 points is the favourite way at like $2.80 or $2.90. 14 to 17 points is $3. And you can go right up to 30 points, plus being scored by the ball. Hitting the post you can get like $10, $11. So we've got a full break down.

Speaker 1:

I look forward to seeing how this plays out and reviewing it in weeks to come and just tracking along what those numbers are. And we have seen, as I said, historically it's very, very close to the mark, but we've also seen rounds where it's blown out and we've seen rounds where there's been significantly less. So it is a really, really open bet. Good fun for people to cheer along the whole games, absolutely. Before we shift to the NRL, I just want to touch on the english premier league, and even more so than the english premier league, I want to touch on the rangers celtics. Now. You told the punters out there that rangers were a good thing. Now, if it was a boxing match, I think they were getting uh, drubbed early, but they got up up off the canvas and they actually looked like they were going to knock cic out. And what a ripper of a game, though for that derby to finish up 3-0. What a spectacle.

Speaker 2:

I had a colonoscopy last week, mate, and I felt worse watching that game than you'd actually get.

Speaker 1:

And that's a true story, that is true.

Speaker 2:

We're quite dark here in lots of ways. Don't you worry about that. Look, yeah, look. There's no excuse. I said what I said and I just feel that I mean, as you know, I'm a mad Celtic fan, so I was like half delighted that we escaped Ibrox at the point, but absolutely sick in knowing the fact that I lost a lot of money. On the other way, rangers were terrible. There's absolutely no excuse. I mean, they did have a goal ruled out for a foul that happened. I think it was 18 seconds prior that you know the goal was given. It was VAR that overturned it. They hit the front and then they literally let Celtic straight back in with one shot on goal. It was quite poor by Rangers and they let the team down, unfortunately, very, very poor.

Speaker 1:

Mate, what are they? Let the team down, unfortunately, very, very poor.

Speaker 2:

I'm used to seeing them poor.

Speaker 1:

They are a poor, poor side. I'm going to give you one chance at redemption, If anyone out there loves their English Premier League. What have you got for us? Is it a multi? Is it an under and overs? Is it an upset?

Speaker 2:

What have you got for us this week coming up? Well, we've got a couple under our Chasebet sports staff. There's an EPL one in there. But look, ultimately look, I can't just tip it all the way seven shots. I mean, that's just you know.

Speaker 2:

I don't work for one of the other bookmakers. I work for Chasebet. We're trying to find people decent winners here. Look, I think Forrest were good enough last week to give Wolverhampton a game. Both sides are pretty average though, I'll be honest with you. But look, it's one of those weeks where it's quite critical for favourite sides to win. So that's probably the way I'm going to have to steer. I'll go Nottingham and Forrest to beat Wolverhampton. You can currently get about $2.30 with Chase for it.

Speaker 1:

Beautiful mate. Let's see if you can get some redemption there. Switching to the NRL mate, we saw Manly bounce back. I think a lot of people know I'm a Manly supporter and I can't just catch them at the moment. One week they are beating the best teams. The next week they're losing to teams that are possibly not going to be in the top eight. Now I know there's no Nathan Cleary. However, they were very, very impressive. What did you see as far as the betting goes? Was it a winning weekend for the punters, for ChaseBet, and what's the market done in the overall premiership?

Speaker 2:

Ultimately, we did put the punters on as some winners, with the minus three and a half dolphins, though.

Speaker 2:

Ultimately we were very, very keen and bullish of those chances. We ultimately tipped them into the Cowboys at the minus 11.5 as well, and they obviously beat the Titans by 13. So we weren't too bad with our NRL stuff and ultimately, yeah, so we as Chase, but we lost on the Dolphins game. We've sort of battled it out. I actually think we weren't too bad. The Cowboys-Titans, the Eagles-Panthers game was a win for us ultimately, and that's to be expected with the Panthers being very, very short-priced favourites. But the game that we actually lost on, believe it or not, was the Storm Broncos, because we had a lot of bets on Broncos at plus four and a half and the Storm only beat them by two.

Speaker 2:

So, we got really badly hurt in that game and, yeah, I still think that when you speak to Damien, he'll still be feeling it.

Speaker 1:

And what's the market done? Overall mate, what are we looking at? Any significant movers as far as the premiership pricing goes?

Speaker 2:

No, the Panthers continue to shorten up. I mean they're 325 now, the Panthers, and clear favourites in front of the Broncos. The Storms are $7. Roost is $11. The Warriors are still firming their $13 with us. And then we get further out to the Cowboys and the Eagles at $15.

Speaker 1:

And Dolphins $34. Are they a genuine chance? Do you think? The Dolphins?

Speaker 2:

are a genuine chance there's a much chance of me showing you the video of last Friday's colonoscopy.

Speaker 1:

yeah, which I definitely do not want to see. So I think $34,. Yeah, it's an interesting one because they are going extremely, extremely well. However, it is hard to see them going on and winning the premiership.

Speaker 2:

I mean, they're joined to give you an example, they're joined there with a side that can't even win a game barely, that's the Knights. So yeah, Look to be honest with you, the NRL is sort of starting to go very English Premier League style, where you're seeing the four or five sides really battling it out year in, year out.

Speaker 2:

And then you throw in a side like Parramatta where everyone thinks they're going to do well and they don't. How disappointing were they? Absolutely, it's very disappointing with a, but I mean it's. It's no disappointment now because it's. I think the the Parramatta Eagles fans is as used to it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, true, true, we have one name, steve, that is working with us here at chase bed and yeah, it's. It's been a painful season so far for him.

Speaker 2:

I've seen. I've seen Ralphie in the locker room. Mate, Let me tell you something. He's seen a lot of disappointments.

Speaker 1:

I bet he has Mate. What else have we got? And I know there's one big event. I shouldn't even say what else have we got. What else do you have for the listeners out there that will excite them from Friday morning through until Monday morning, or it should really be Thursday night.

Speaker 2:

So the next mark is going to be on which Chase Betts staff member has the next colonoscopy? No, no, no, let's get to it. We've got the golf mate. The Masters is on, arguably one of the greatest sporting events in the world and we have got some tremendous markets available on our site for everyone. We've got the top six players in the world versus the field. So the top six market favourites, let's say so Sheffield McElroy, rahm Speach, xander Schoffle and Brooks Koepka versus the rest of the field $2.15 for those six to win, or the field, $1.65 with us at Chasebet. We've got Liv Dolphers versus the remainder Tiger Woods to make the cut. Yes or no Top Aussie markets, but ultimately the main one is obviously the overall winner and the three ball, and it's no surprise to anyone to say that Scotty Scheffler is the clear favourite for this year's Masters. But, as we have sent out and spoken to our clients via subliminal messaging, we all are looking elsewhere, aren't we? We're looking for a bit of value.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, mate, I'll run through them. I mean, you can start with your tip. Mate, what's your tip? We've gone through some of the Chase Bet staff who enjoy a little bit of golf or enjoy a little bit of a punt, and we've got a few tips here for you and I'll read them out in a sec. But, mate, start with your tip.

Speaker 2:

What are you tipping? I actually love Swede. He's a tremendous amateur player.

Speaker 1:

Ludwig Eberg $26, or he might have even been $31 at some point as well $31s, $26s into $26s.

Speaker 2:

Ludwig Eberg he's been playing super consistent golf. Probably was slightly disappointing last week at Bolero, but other than that been tremendous and ultimately was a dominant amateur for the last couple of years in Europe and is considered to be one of the best amateurs to come out of Europe in the last 30 years. So I'm expecting good things in the game. So a big bomber on the ball, very good iron player. I think Ludwig Eiberg at $26 is a great bet, certainly to finish top 10. I think punters can certainly get around that.

Speaker 1:

Mate and I'll read out a few of the others. So Stevie's gone with Cam Smith $31. Actually he might be out to about $36. Johnny's with Victor Hovland $26. Tony's with Jordan Spieth he was talking him up.

Speaker 2:

I think Tony's my favourite golfer, spieth my favourite golfer, but yeah, but just not playing well this year.

Speaker 1:

I think Tony's either going to be eating baked beans or he'll be back at the sushi joint having his sashimi. We've got Neiman for Matty. Matty's gone with I can never pronounce his first name properly, anyway, yeah and Hay is with Scotty Scheffler. I have gone with Colin Motokawa, and Motokawa is someone that I I, when he first came on the scene, I was excited to to watch him, and he really has not gone on with it. I don't think he's gone on with it to the level of what he potentially had. I don't know why, but my gut is just telling me that this may be a real let let's call it a breakout breakthrough. Whatever it happens to be $41. Actually, I think we might have even drifted out to about $46. And Damo has gone with Will Zalatoris, and I don't know if Will ends up being a little bit like myself at some point and starts putting left-handed just so he can make a putt, but we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2:

Well, I can tell you, one of the real sharp guys is obviously a friend of Chase Fett's. He's very bullish about Wyndham Clark's chances, so I better mention that to the punters too. So if you do want something a bit of value, one of the specialist golfing guys that we know is very bullish about Wyndham Clark's chances.

Speaker 1:

And $26 there, mate.

Speaker 2:

Outside of that you've got McIlroy and Rahm. What prices are those guys? So Rory's at $12, and I think should be at $21 because he's always going to, going to, going to, but he's currently at $12, which is the norm across the board with Rory. John Rahm, obviously a defending champion, a tremendous last day against Brooks Kepka last year. He's at $13. Xander Schoffele $16. Brooksy's at $13. Xander Schoffele $16. Brooksy's at $19 and he'll be up there again. He's a very solid, consistent player. And the interesting one where we've seen money for is Hideki. Hideki Matsuyama, who actually has obviously already had a green jacket surprising everyone several years ago is starting to find his game again after having some neck surgery and fixing up that neck issue and there has been some money around for Hideki. So $19. Hideki Matsuyama might be another smokey.

Speaker 1:

And $101 for Tiger Woods. What was the interview with? Was it Phil Mickelson? Yes, it was.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yeah, phil Mickelson, yes. So the story is that Tiger's not going to throw the leg over leading up to the Masters and Phil Mickelson said well, the local establishments are going to get a workout when he doesn't make the cut A little bit of tongue-in-cheek there, so hopefully you know, for the sport it would be fantastic to see Tiger make the cut.

Speaker 1:

I suppose one of the biggest questions is not only if he makes the cut. As far as the score goes, it's his body holding up, isn't it? I think that's just as big a risk. Do you think he'll make the cut? I don't.

Speaker 2:

I think he's got more chance of getting a paper cut.

Speaker 1:

What's that?

Speaker 2:

Sorry, I think he's got more chance of probably getting a paper cut than making the cut.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, on the scorecard from writing on it too many big numbers, but I think, look, there's been some money. There actually has been some decent bets on Tiger to make the cut, just a real quick one. Just as we wrap up, mate, what is the current market on that? Tiger to make the cut, not make the cut?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and you are dead right. In fact we've had a number of wages on this market, the special market, tiger woods to make the car, and they, most of them, have been for tiger to make the car and that's currently even money at two dollars and tiger does not make the cut. It's currently at a dollar 80. Money is currently with tiger makes the car and we continue to see that money that will will change around. So yeah, $2 makes the cut, $1.80 does not make the cut.

Speaker 1:

Fantastic mate, Any last tips anywhere in any other sport that you like or anything else for people to keep an eye out as we round up our week in review and week ahead.

Speaker 2:

Well, mate, I can't hit your ranges again. Look, I think we've pretty much gone through it all. To be honest with you, al, I think the Masters is certainly going to take centre stage, and deservedly so, and I think the only tip I've got for everyone is make sure you continue to listen to. We Bet your.

Speaker 1:

Podcast, love it. Thanks, rhino. Look forward to chatting again next week mate, absolute pleasure. Thanks Al. Thanks Al.

Speaker 1:

As always, we have our black bookers for you guys and I've got a handful of them and I have one that I'm actually going to black book and say I I have a gut feel, a watching feel, of a dog that I really, really like, that I think you are going to see in group finals and, I think, win a group final. So we'll get onto that at the very, very end. But the Black Bookers for this week we have Untethered. I think this dog, once it gets over a little bit of ground or draws the right draw where it's just going to get a little bit of space early, could be over a Shepparton kind of 500-meter race. It could be over the Meadows 595. It's just going to need that little bit of space early and time to get wound up and I think you'll be seeing Untethered winning a race very, very soon. Smoke and Paddy Mark this down. If you see this dog draw box seven or in particular, if you see a draw box eight, then you want to load up. So, smoke and Paddy, sudoku Carmelo. This dog has been backed. It looks like it has ability Not sure it was. It has ability Not sure it was necessarily cleanly out today or wasn't cleanly out. I think in the next couple of starts, if it's not next start, the start after is going to be winning and I think it'll be running some time when it gets the start right and gets onto the bunny. And then Tijuana Twinkle was one in rock Hampton tonight, that one, and it won by maybe a head to a neck. It did not in at any circumstance deserve to win at box to got checked, um hooked off a little bit. When it gets over the 500 meters around rock Hampton, this dog will be very, very impressive. It did all of its best work late and it was absolutely powering. I know it was a maiden, but they did run 23.80 and I think that's a dog to follow as well. Now the group dog, or the dog that I believe is going to be a group dog over the distance, is a dog called Unreal Speed. Now this, this dog, was a super, super impressive run, winning on Saturday night at the Meadows. It wasn't just the fact it won, it was the way it won. It didn't lead, it had to do some work and it finished off real strong. It's actually got better pace early than what its run was on Saturday night and I think if it can continue to get stronger and stronger, continue to get smarter as it races, then this dog is going to be right there in your group winners. So they're our black bookers for this week and our better betting.

Speaker 1:

A couple of things I'm going to touch on today. The first one is slow beginners. When you look at a race and you know like as a punter you're often seeing many races and you'll often know that a dog is a slow beginner you have to be wary of taking short prices about slow beginners. Now I can tell you as a bookmaker the amount of times that a dog is $1.40. And when you look at the pricing and you look at the paper form, you say this is probably $1.20 chance, but it's a slow beginner. And if they're a slow beginner even at $1.40, it's not value the amount of times that slow beginners find trouble they've got to overcome getting through all of the other runners. Just I want to share with you be wary of slow beginners. Now. The flip to that is when there is a dog that's $1.20, $1.30, $1.40, shorter than what it should be, that's a slow beginner. These are the races you can find some value. You can outlay a small amount on one or maybe two runners that you think are going to lead the race. If the short price favorite finds trouble, then you've got some great, great value about your runner. So be aware of slow beginners.

Speaker 1:

The other one to be aware of for short price favorites and where you can often find good value elsewhere outside of the favorite, is on corner starts. So, looking at the racetracks, you've got like Casino 400 meters. You've got Rockhampton 400 meters. There's multiple tracks out there that start on a corner, what we call a corner start, which in effect Ipswich 400 meter races as well, albion Park 395. In effect it means that when they jump out of the boxes they're literally on the corner. Now, dogs that are drawn kind of awkward boxes, that are short price favorites. Again, you just want to be careful If you're taking short prices about them. If they're not lightning beginners, if they miss it just half a length, they can find major trouble because dogs on those corner starts are running out, running in. And if you can find the leader on those corner starts at a little bit of value, then you can take your value or your betting and the value that you're getting from your betting to a whole new level. So trust those couple of little tips. Help you to become a better bettor to a whole new level. So trust those couple of little tips. Help you to become a better bettor.

Speaker 1:

The we Bet you podcast is proudly brought to you by Chasebet. For a comprehensive betting experience, download the Chasebet app today. Think is this a bet you really want to place? For free and confidential support, call 1-800-858-858 or visit gamblinghelponlineorgau. So we're switching it up a little bit this week, damo, we've had a couple of hot topics for you and we've got a few more coming up in future weeks that'll put you really on the hot seat. I've had an inquiry I'll say inquiry, and it's actually a common question that has been received Digging into the psyche of a bookmaker and how you react and, in particular, how that is different from on track to off track. So I've got some questions around that today. I know that you have grown up as a second-generation bookmaker. We spoke about your dad in our very, very first episode. Let's start with on-track, mate. What is on-track versus off-track? That people may not even realise are some of the differences that you really notice.

Speaker 3:

Look, I think the differences between on course and online are obviously. It's more of a personal touch and you can see, you can sense, you can feel. I think it's great on track when you see guys, you know, getting their money ready and wanting to attack.

Speaker 1:

You can't see that offline, can you? I can't see that online. That would be good If you could have one superpower as a bookmaker. It would be to see into the punters' rooms to just see them getting ready, wouldn't it?

Speaker 3:

It would be nice to know when they're going to attack. Sometimes they're just looking at numbers on a screen, and that's probably the change with bookmaking on course to online. We make an awful lot of assumptions when we're looking at a computer screen to who we're actually playing, if we don't know the person personally and is that the case?

Speaker 1:

when you were bookmaking on track and I know you still bookmake on track, obviously not as much as you once did did with so much happening online and chase bet growing so quickly was that something that you really worked on? Was it the relationships you know, when there was a new punter in the ring, you know, wanting to know who they were Like? Take us through a little bit of that Like. How did that work? Were there players that you just knew were extremely sharp and you were trying to outfox them and work out what they were going to bet on? And how did all that go? I really want to dig into that Like. It intrigues me and I'm sure it intrigues the listeners as well. What's that game like when you're at the track?

Speaker 3:

So this is where the industry has really evolved, from on course to online. So when I was a child, you know everyone in the ring really mattered. You know if certain people turned up, that could change a price from you know three to one into six to four before they opened, just because of their presence. Yeah, and it happened, especially in the greyhound world, but it's probably a lot more mechanical now. You know We've got feeds yes, we have, you know, different opinions, but essentially we're all betting a very similar price to what once happened.

Speaker 1:

So we touched on that demo last week, just very, very fractionally. We have a lot of people commenting that the pricing on Chasebet is not always exactly the same as everyone else out there. Like no, we're not vastly different. I mean, most of the feeds, as you said, are very, very similar. How does that happen? So how does it finish up that Chase Bet might be two rolls or three rolls better on a particular runner, or they may be one roll less on another runner in the same race. Is that the way that you treat the pricing? Is it a percentage thing? What's the psyche behind that when you're trading and you're actually adjusting those feed prices?

Speaker 3:

Well, if I'm trading, I'm trying to predict the future. Basically, I'm trying to use the information that we're getting through our screens to have the most efficient market. Obviously, if we've got the smart players on one, we want to be under that one, but we want to be aggressive the next few in the market. Obviously, if we've got the smart players on one, we want to be under that one, but we want to be aggressive the next few in the market, like a traditional bookmaker would have been. Or how the Rails boys might play on a Saturday afternoon at Randwick.

Speaker 1:

So, in effect, you're looking to try and get bets on as many runners as you possibly can and taking that information, as you said, it's not clear as in visually clear of the person, but it is as far as the bet coming through the screen to adjust to attract more people to bet at a better price so that you can get a book, or what is referred to as a book, with more bets on more runners. Is that right?

Speaker 3:

Essentially, it's all about limiting the risk that's what bookmaking traditionally is about and crushing your percentage out of the hole.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, okay, cool Mate. What is it that you miss about online? Sorry about on track.

Speaker 3:

Oh, it's definitely the human interaction. You know the play like. You know. Look, you can have some good fun on track. You know winning or losing, but it's all about the people. I've met some really great people in this industry. You know all sorts, all walks of life um, it's gone online, isn't it?

Speaker 1:

Because, yes, there's the live chat and it's a lot more transactional, unfortunately. Do you think we'll ever get back to on track being a bigger bookmaking presence? I know there are some certain meetings, as you said. That's a little bit more. Chase Bennett itself goes out and is bookmaking out at the Canamble Greyhound Carnival. Do you think it's a dying form? Do you think that in five years' time we're going to look and there just won't be bookmakers on track? Will it be that you might go to let me throw something out there, and this is just off the cuff. Out there, and this is just off the cuff. Is it that you may walk out to the track and there'll be 10 computers there for you to walk over and choose from? Is it that you scan and you have a bet and there's just no more human interaction, that Damien Harris is sitting in his office with his computer while people are walking into the track and literally having a bet there with you, not even there, if that makes sense? Is that where we're heading or is that too far-fetched?

Speaker 3:

Look, I don't think it's too far-fetched, but I think definitely say Racing NSW understands that bookmaking or presence of bookmakers creates an event. So on an Everest day, a golden slipper day, bookmakers are part of the racing landscape, so I think they'll always remain in some form. Maybe we need to push some of these big corporates to actually stand on track.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's a different take, yeah Well they do it in the UK.

Speaker 3:

So let's force them back. Let them play with real punters, real NBLs. Be real bookmakers, not just bet mugs.

Speaker 1:

That's an answer. Actually, I didn't see that this was going to go in that direction, damo, but that's a very, very interesting one to say. Hey, if you want to have an online bookmaker and an online licence, you've also got to go back and support the track. Now, I suppose the flip to that is how many people are still heading out to the track, but then, as I say, that it may attract more people back out to the track as well, right, because it is still a race day like, I think maybe not the greyhound racing industry as much anymore, particularly with how good it is, how good it is on the tv, and there's a lot of tracks that are a lot more regional.

Speaker 1:

However, I could definitely see your metropolitan gallops and those kind of meetings. People love to go out there and they love to have a day out. It's Bucks parties, it's, you know, birthday parties, it's all those kind of things.

Speaker 3:

You know, I think that's what racing authorities should be doing to re-engage and, you know, make these Northern Territory domicile bookmakers. You know, contribute back one for people.

Speaker 1:

So if I wanted to have a bet and I wanted to get the best pricing, am I best off being at the track? Is it more competitive or is it now because of the overheads and the way it's working online? If, even if you're at the track, you're still better off being on your favorite bookmaker, which is hopefully chase bet?

Speaker 3:

yeah, I don't know if I should necessarily comment on this, because on a saturday afternoon I know where I'd be betting and it wouldn't be with the big corporates, because they're betting well and truly into the 120s. We'll at least get into the teens at our Metro tracks.

Speaker 1:

And it's because you bookmake it like you're on track still on a Saturday right.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, look, the Sydney Metro ring is still probably one of the strongest, definitely in the country, but taxations push them to bet tighter percentages also. They've got to run a business too.

Speaker 1:

We keep coming back to it too. Right? These taxes, the way that the the structure is currently happening. We're seeing the consolidation. We talked about this. If people haven't listened to the past episodes, we talked about consolidation of bookmakers and the landscape's interesting over the next 12 months, right?

Speaker 3:

exactly, and we we saw today in the fin review that there's talk of three major bookmakers combining um. That's less competition, less turnover, not good for the industry. We need to get the administrators to wake up and smell the roses yeah, absolutely demo.

Speaker 1:

Well, thanks, mate. It's just a little bit of an insight and anyone listening to these podcasts that has some topics that they really want to, or even just a little bit of an insight, and anyone listening to these podcasts that has some topics that they really want to, or even just a question, could be a question that we throw in within it. For damien, as a bookmaker into the psyche I, I have the absolute pleasure of being able to work with you every day and see more and more and more of that, and a lot of the stuff is just ingrained into you. It's just habit, it's. However, it's awesome to be able to try and drag some of that out and, as I said, we had this request to try and get into a little bit of the mind of the on-track, off-track scenario, mate, and absolutely love your knowledge. What's your last thoughts on this whole online caper, mate? Where are we heading? What's your bold prediction? If I said to you, damien Harris, I'm throwing this one at you, in five years' time, where are we online?

Speaker 3:

I think we're going to have a lot less operators. You know, and we've covered this in previous podcasts it's a hard world out there and it's tough to be an independent online bookmaker. Probably the greatest example is AK Bets over in the UK and Ireland, who are doing their absolute best. I think they're probably very similar to us over here.

Speaker 1:

Innovative. They're out there, they're customer focused still, which is very much us, which is our agility, isn't it? It's, like you said, a lot of what you've based your whole business of online has moved to offline, with us in that customer focus, trying to build a relationship. Even though it is very transactional for most, we really want to bring that experience still as best we can to the clients. Thanks, damo, appreciate you, appreciate sharing your thoughts openly and look forward to putting you back on the hot seat next week. I've got a ripper for you next week, mate, can't wait.

Speaker 3:

No doubt Look forward to it.

Speaker 1:

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