The Spiritual Parent: Mindful Tools for Raising Spiritual and Conscious Kids

Raising Sensitive Kids with Energy Tools: Muscle Testing, Tuning Forks & Authentic Parenting with Jen McNerney

• Carrie Lingenfelter, CCC-SLP • Season 1 • Episode 96

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Have you ever wondered how to raise highly sensitive, empathic, or neurodiverse kids in a way that truly honors their spirit? In this heartfelt episode of The Spiritual Parent, I sit down with fellow speech therapist and healer Jen McNerney to explore the powerful intersection of speech therapy, energy healing, and conscious parenting.

Jen shares her inspiring journey from early intervention speech therapy to building a healing practice rooted in muscle testing, tuning forks, Qigong, neuroemotional technique, and myofascial release. Together, we dive deep into the ways children naturally connect with energy, frequency, and authenticity—and how parents can support them in feeling safe in their bodies, navigating emotions, and embracing their unique gifts.

We discuss everything from:

  • Teaching kids muscle testing and body-based awareness tools
  • Helping empaths and sensitive children separate “my energy” vs. “your energy”
  • Using sound healing and frequencies to regulate the nervous system
  • Why so many neurodivergent and non-speaking children are our greatest teachers
  • How parents can heal their own subconscious patterns to better support their kids

This episode is filled with wisdom, practical tools, and soulful insights for any parent raising sensitive, gifted, or spiritual kids. Whether you’re curious about energy medicine, spiritual parenting, or conscious approaches to neurodiverse children, this conversation will inspire you to look at parenting in a whole new light.

🌟 Tune in to learn how to integrate science, spirituality, and healing practices into your parenting journey—and how to empower your kids to live authentically in their energy and truth.

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Carrie @ H2H Parents (00:01.816) Hi there and welcome back to Heart to Heart. It's Carrie here, your friendly intuitive mama. And I'm so excited. I have a guest here today that I've been wanting to connect with for a little bit. And Jen McNerney is a guest here today. She's also a speech therapist like me. So an early intervention too, which is really fun. She also has the side of the healing as well. Jen, thanks so much for being here today. I'm so excited to connect with you. Jen (00:28.653) Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I love how, yeah, the synchronicity is of who we know. And I used to live near you and know, like, Stacia and Anne. And yeah, so thanks. So good to connect with you. Carrie @ H2H Parents (00:37.516) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's so lovely. Anne's helped me so much with Qigong as a sensitive mama. I love connecting with other parents in this realm, doing the amazing work we do. Yeah. And so Jen, I was just going to dive right in. You and I were kind of talking about how I've been sharing tools for energy work and how I have a seven-year-old and a 10-year-old to break it down a little bit. Jen (00:53.915) Yeah Carrie @ H2H Parents (01:11.252) And I love sharing vocabulary for energy work and what it is as raising empaths and how we can describe it to our kids. Do you have any pieces you like to do with your kids? Jen (01:21.126) Yes. Yeah, and so I have four kids. So I have a five year old and then twins who are 10 and almost 13 year old. And very much I consider myself a very sensitive one. That's kind of what drew me into doing more of the energy work was working with non well, I'll call them non speakers because that's what they want to be called. And I don't know. But I worked with a lot of nonverbal autism. So I had to, I really, was those individuals that helped me hone in on my empathy and regulating and getting all the energetic tools. and then with my kids, we found a lot of what I offer in the energetic realm is because of our own healing journey. I had Lyme disease and co-infections and found muscle testing practitioners that would muscle test for supplements. And so now I do that as a modality and offering. We found chiropractic and then we learned about neuroemotional technique, which is really going back and resolving emotions and regulating your nervous system. The body keeps the score. Carrie @ H2H Parents (02:32.206) Great. Jen (02:44.946) So everything that I do and offer in my brick and mortar healing practice is something we've actually utilized to heal ourselves and our kids because my kids were having a lot of biomedical issues. And yeah, you mentioned Anne helping you out. We've done sessions with Anne. We do Qigong movements. do sound healing. my kids know my kids will muscle test for different things. Like they know how to ask their body what it needs. So don't know if you're familiar with like sway testing and muscle testing. know Anne uses a pendulum like, you know, uses testing. So yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (03:29.464) Mm-hmm. Carrie @ H2H Parents (03:34.466) I'm familiar with muscle testing. recently just did it with my kiddos here locally. But I haven't learned about teaching our kids about it. And that fascinates me. I think kids are so open and receptive to learning about these tools. So I think it's really cool you're doing it with your kids. Jen (03:53.031) Yes. Yeah, I mean, it's really cute because they'll be at like Target and my littlest one will be like, do I need this stuffy or something like so I'm like, well, ask your body like it's like, you know, whatever. It's just kind of funny what they choose to do it for. But we utilize it for just everything is vibrating and has a frequency. So when you talk about energy and medicine, that's how I talk to my kids. It's like your thought has. has a frequency and that's how, and we talk about manifesting and they, used to teach like the mindfulness classes at Stacia's place in Lafayette a long, long time ago, but it's all about, yeah, everything has a resonance or a vibration or a frequency, it's just energy and we talk a lot about being terrible no good hosts for parasites and. but that's also in your body, that's emotionally, that's metaphysically. the language I create around my kids is just kind of living in my authenticity and giving them permission to live in theirs. Carrie @ H2H Parents (05:04.308) Ooh, that's really powerful. Authenticity is not really something I have described to my kids. We talk around it, I think, a lot. But naming it hasn't been something we've talked about. So I love that. That's great. Jen (05:16.878) Yeah, we talk about like where they get to just have permission to be themselves, their true essence, you know, and yeah, and it sounds like we were we were chatting, but I did all the Reiki trainings. Yeah. But I don't like necessarily utilize that as an offering. kind of when people come to see me. Carrie @ H2H Parents (05:22.958) Mm-hmm. Yes. Carrie @ H2H Parents (05:33.646) Jen (05:43.269) I just ask their body what's the highest priority to work on. And I have a system of muscle testing where I like put it under menus. You can almost like menu and say, is this person out of balance in their body? Is it something that we need to do within my toolbox? Or is it something emotionally or metaphysically, spiritually? Or is it something that is biomedical, like supplements or chemistry? So I just. Carrie @ H2H Parents (06:11.15) That's great. Jen (06:12.466) utilize, I utilize our bodies being a biofeedback tool and figuring out what's out of balance. So. Carrie @ H2H Parents (06:19.298) Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember if I mentioned that I did reiki as well. For our family, I don't do it publicly or anything yet. But it's been really helpful as a tool in our house. I love, there's just so many tools out there. It's really cool, especially raising gifted, highly sensitive, spiritual kids. So I love it. Jen (06:26.478) Yeah. Jen (06:45.72) Yes, yes, absolutely. Yet I think it's becoming more mainstream. I don't know if you're familiar with the podcast, the telepathy tapes. Yeah, yes. Carrie @ H2H Parents (06:49.655) Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (06:56.526) was just going to talk about that. When you mentioned the non-speaker kids with autism, I was like, ping, has she heard about it? But I'm sure you have, because that's definitely your field. It's been really interesting. And it kind of leads me to a question I've been contemplating in my mind. It was actually based off of an episode that I was listening to recently. Suzie Miller, who is also a speech therapist like us. Jen (07:05.292) Absolutely. Carrie @ H2H Parents (07:24.716) and then teetered in the realm of bringing in spirituality with the speech therapy. And it was a really interesting discussion for me. I'm sure you too. And I was curious. There was a part where she was talking about a kiddo and helping the kiddo to integrate into their bodies. And I feel like sometimes, Jen (07:28.934) Love it. Yes. Carrie @ H2H Parents (07:46.252) When kids are having these emotional moments or overstimulated moments or feeling like I'm hearing intuitively with my own kids that the human body feels too intense, it feels too painful. Do you have, yeah, I was gonna ask you what your favorite tools are for kind of integrating those kids and. Jen (08:00.21) To ground in, yeah. Jen (08:08.922) You know, I have like the whole set of self-agio healing frequencies, the tuning forks. And I think you were, you mentioned that episode and I was like, I got so excited because I kind of pivoted and didn't really understand, like I wasn't really bringing in the SLP component and the frequency medicine or frequency healing or energy healing. I was really just keeping it separate, but the telepathy tapes gave me permission and also made so much sense because I would work with, well, the non-speakers. That's who I would attract. Like the really complex kids that were so highly sensitive and gifted that I could tell that they were picking up on my thoughts or my feelings. And I was like, gosh, I better. it caused me to delve into regulating myself. So I wasn't like, I wasn't causing dysregulation in them. So I kind of left that I was, you I started a family kind of shelve the SLP stuff and started doing deep healing work on myself. But then now it's like twofold where it gave me permission to be like, I don't have to pretend I was never a speech therapist. This is all like, Carrie @ H2H Parents (09:14.638) Mm-hmm. Carrie @ H2H Parents (09:31.118) Hmm. Jen (09:32.435) kind of synchronized everything back into like, oh, I've always been attracted to like sound healing or Reiki or just having that empathy. I think that's why I connected so well with the non-speakers is because we were feeling each other. And also I never really treated those souls like they want to say this, assume competence. I always was like, they're so gifted. They're in a different, like almost in a different realm. you know, teach here to teach us. And I think that's why we disconnected. Like I just I love I love working with individuals that are quote unquote labeled neuro diverse or neurodivergent. So yeah, but the tuning forks, I'll utilize them in terms of right. Everything is about regulating the nervous system or Integrating I do a lot of primitive reflex integration the Moskitova method something also quantum reflex integration, which is pairing a low level infrared light Plus the primitive reflex to and it organizes the brain it helps to integrate And I actually had I have a podcast as well and I had a kills you remember episode 2 I had a kill like he is the one who Carrie @ H2H Parents (10:54.2) Yeah. Jen (11:02.258) He was described that he can't really like, he's more in his subconscious mind and he can't really like, he has no awareness of his body in space. And one thing that helped him was primitive reflex integration or like they've done the Moskitova method, they're doing the quantum reflex integration. So he really had to like anchor into his body. Carrie @ H2H Parents (11:12.814) Hmm. Jen (11:30.227) Your primitive reflexes makes you feel safe to be in your body. Like so we are a lot of us are walking around with. Non integrated reflexes, what does that mean? It means that your body is designed to see something as a threat, utilize the reflex and then go back to homeostasis. But many of us are walking around in fear paralysis where everything is a is a stress and perceived as a stress. And then your immune system tanks and everything. is affected by that. So that's a really powerful modality for everyone. And yeah, the body stuff is so interesting because I can't say there's one cookie cutter modality that's going to work every time for everybody. And that's why I love applied kinesiology and muscle testing because it Carrie @ H2H Parents (12:09.698) Okay, that's... Carrie @ H2H Parents (12:16.994) Mm-hmm. Jen (12:26.67) It gives a unique individualized aspect to energy healing. So I utilize it to see what what tools are going to bring the person the most homeostasis within any session. Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (12:33.794) Yep. Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (12:42.956) Yeah, love the muscle. Yeah, I'm sorry. I love the muscle testing for that to help you figure out what's going on, what's their body needing support in. That's really cool. Yeah, and you have so many tools. Jen (12:49.744) Yeah. Jen (12:54.45) Yeah, and it's like, it could be essential oils. It could be that cranial nerve one that limbically helps to like bring somebody back to homeostasis. Like some people might get a protocol for a bath with the oils that helps them to regulate or yeah, it's just so individualized when you utilize muscle testing. Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (13:15.822) Yeah. Yeah. It's really personal, think, to each person. It has each piece of what they're missing, what they're needing support in. Yeah. I love that you mentioned, and I might have understood this incorrectly, but so you'll have to correct me. But when you were talking about bringing in the pieces, sorry, I'm trying to think of brain break here. Jen (13:27.109) Yeah. Jen (13:33.591) No, you're saying- Jen (13:41.678) No, you're good at- Carrie @ H2H Parents (13:43.779) When you talked about bringing in the pieces of connecting, keeping yourself grounded in what you were doing yourself, so I think so much of the time, there's so many of these kids that are so connected. They're connected to us. And we're realizing that telepathy tapes and all these other pieces are helping us to really understand that as parents now. And I feel like it's becoming telepathy tapes has opened the door. So we can talk about it more. Jen (13:50.639) Mm-hmm. Jen (14:00.751) Mm-hmm. Jen (14:07.419) Right. Carrie @ H2H Parents (14:12.362) more online which is really cool. I love this movement. Jen (14:12.71) Yes, yes, I love it. Yeah, yes. And I really have to thank the like, it's the non-speakers that really accelerated my healing journey. And then to now be able to give back in a different way. you know, I don't, they don't have to prove anything to me that there's telepathy because like, listen, Carrie @ H2H Parents (14:23.053) Hmm. Jen (14:40.976) where I'm trying to get to the like level, the subconscious level that they're at, and they're trying to get down into their bodies to like meet us somewhere in the bridge in the middle. And, you know, it's just been, it's really like, I will say the telepathy tapes and hearing that podcast, and I don't know if you feel the same way. It's been so healing for me personally, professionally as a mom in Carrie @ H2H Parents (14:46.392) Yeah. Jen (15:09.238) all all it checks off every category for me. Carrie @ H2H Parents (15:12.526) Totally. I have cried so much listening to it. It's been like a release of like, yes, I've been feeling this and channeling this and downloading this for a couple of years or many years now actually. So yeah, putting it out there, putting it into the light is just like this era. It's been really cool. So yeah, the little healing journey. Jen (15:18.254) Yeah Jen (15:23.033) Yes! Jen (15:33.849) I know, because I feel like so many of the sensitive kids, like what I will say about the non-speakers is I always noticed that there was very little ego there. Like there was such purity there that like when I have, I call it my trash talking machine, when I have my ego spinning out of control, I feel like they have less of that. Carrie @ H2H Parents (15:45.868) Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (15:54.254) Mm-hmm. Jen (16:00.434) I mean, I know they're humans and they're in a body, right? have a their soul, they're in a body, but it's just a different vibration. So, you know, yeah. But I do I loved that episode where she was like that the telepathy like he's like, I need this tuning fork to grab the frequency of like to put my body back, my soul, my emotional body or whatever my spiritual body back in. Carrie @ H2H Parents (16:01.282) Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (16:27.566) Hmm. Jen (16:29.146) And I was like, wow, cool. mean... That was amazing. And I think us just being regulated enough and open to receiving those downloads, those frequencies, is key, right? Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (16:45.72) Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting when I was working in early intervention. I didn't have necessarily all my kids were autistic non-speakers, but I had a lot of 18-month-olds and two-year-olds who were non-verbal and had language delays and such. And it was so interesting to connect with them. I would agree they did not have an e- ego piece. I don't think children that age necessarily have that ego piece. But there was so much of the puzzle was teaching the parents to connect with their kids, teaching the parents to look at even for me, I felt like I was doing a lot of counseling and pieces of why is it that you need your child to talk right now? What is it you're trying to control right now that makes you feel like you have this urge you want? Jen (17:14.381) No. Jen (17:34.546) you Right. Carrie @ H2H Parents (17:40.162) this to be fixed in this moment. And that pressure, trying to teach them about that pressure they're putting on their kid to speak was kind of a piece. Jen (17:48.851) Yeah, yeah, and I'm and I it's so funny because I am just now returning to early intervention in Colorado and as an SLP I'll put that hat back on but I also told when I was interviewing I'm like listen I can't not be me like and what I know and and all the root cause modalities that help because every behavior that you're that Carrie @ H2H Parents (18:11.054) Hmm. Yeah. Jen (18:17.06) we as humans act out or play out has a purpose and it's usually a spiritual protective purpose like it's for protection or survival. So really regulating the nervous system to feel like it's not in a survival mode. It's more in these higher vibrational things. So a lot of times when the parents I'm like, well, your child is toe walking because they have a non integrated this reflex that they don't know where their body like there's always a reason. And that's my lens is totally different now because of my journey. So going back, it's like people are like, well, wait, you're just not like, like, well, you actually have to integrate the reflexes of the hands and the feet you can't before you could expect your child to talk because it's such a fine motor movement. So there's like gross. So, yeah, there's just. Carrie @ H2H Parents (18:56.866) Yes. Jen (19:13.106) It's just a different lens and always it's about regulating the nervous system so it feels safe or safe to be in your body. right, everything in our emotions will dysregulate us and certain emotions like if you look at the power versus force chart, it will. Carrie @ H2H Parents (19:21.454) Wow. It's such a foundation, right? Jen (19:38.775) It measures emotions by frequency or vibrations per second hertz. So the self-adjure frequency of 528 hertz is about cellular DNA repair. It's the miracle frequency. It's your connection to source. But emotions like anger or shame, those vibrate really slow and heavy. So that's kind of why some of these kids will have trouble being in their bodies is because You have to lower your vibration to resonate in these denser bodies. That's why these kids that are super gifted are having such a hard time grounding and anchoring their light into their bodies, because it's all vibration. Carrie @ H2H Parents (20:24.326) my gosh, okay, that's a lot to ingest for me. I'm very new to the tuning forks and I was like, whoa, I'm so drawn to this. My kids come home and yeah. Jen (20:27.694) I know. That's okay. But you go, but you go with go with what you're drawn with. Like my kids were always the kids that were picking up. I've always been drawn to crystals and even rocks like cool rocks. Like I'm like, you know, that meme of like, why isn't it like cool to be like, hey, I found this cool rock on my hike, you know, as adults. And I feel like kids have that curiosity and they're playful. And it's just Carrie @ H2H Parents (20:57.671) yeah. yeah. Yeah. Jen (21:02.61) So refreshing. So I always say, there's always a reason you're drawn to something. I think. Carrie @ H2H Parents (21:08.974) It's so interesting when you have the numbers for the gifted and talented piece. And I always try to explain to my kids, this gifted piece of us that we come with and this knowledge seeking can also sometimes come with a little bit of this perfectionism piece. I explain to our kids, our brains are working so hard that sometimes it makes us more. Jen (21:26.522) Mm-hmm. Carrie @ H2H Parents (21:34.06) more prone to being nervous in situations. And so that's my kids in a nutshell. when we walk into a crystal store, when she was, she was like four or five, my daughter, she would go and she would just lay herself down in the middle of the store, just arms out, legs out, just, and she's the one that can tend to be nervous. Yeah. Jen (21:37.015) Yeah Jen (21:53.767) soaking up that that frequency the calming yeah Carrie @ H2H Parents (21:58.583) Yeah, yeah, so I love the crystals. And she's also the one that has the weighted down dress because the pockets are so full of rocks on the playground. So I love that. Jen (22:07.03) And yeah, yeah, and there's like, there's so many things like, like Western meets Eastern, these are just like ancient, like things. So like, I do something called neuro emotional technique, which it was developed by Dr. Scott Walker, who is a chiropractor who was noticing he would physically like adjust the spine and the sub locations. Carrie @ H2H Parents (22:18.414) Mm-hmm. Jen (22:35.1) but then the same pattern, it would just go out again. And he was like, nobody wanted to address the emotional component. And he paired traditional Chinese medicine, that's probably like this and like the whole qigong and Chinese medicine. And this is like, you can access your meridian system through pulse points. So even little kids can hook up to their each wrist, like you're taking your pulse. and breathe and think about the challenge in both wrists and you're going to hit your whole meridian system and where you might be storing emotions in your organs and your tissues. So that is then a life changing modality for my whole entire family. Like life has gotten so much better since we found neuroemotional techniques and so much so that when I'm a chiropractor, I'm like, gosh, I want to learn this. And lo and behold, I mean, there was only one SLP that was certified in this modality at the time that I was asking, could I take this class? because we have a, because you and I have a license to diagnose and treat communication disorders, they were like, yes, you can take this modality. So now, there's more and more speech therapists that are becoming certified in the modality. But even I tell people, like, even if you don't think you're going to use it in your speech practice or in the schools, you're going to get a boatload of like personal healing that just like why you you're using Reiki with your family and how much that's benefiting you guys as a tool. So. Carrie @ H2H Parents (24:26.22) Yeah. And even for myself, just being a highly sensitive person, I need that reiki so that way I can make sure my system is in a good place. I love to do it when I'm sitting in the car waiting to pick up my kids because I never know what is coming out of the car. never know the doors, the school doors. I never know what energy they're coming out with from the day. Jen (24:38.866) Mm-hmm. Hmm... Yeah... Yes! Jen (24:51.546) And you know, one very simple trick, not trick, one simple practice that we have because my kids are really sensitive and they pick up other people's emotions and they don't know if it's theirs or somebody else's is we will have the mantra, anything that's not mine, please leave. So metaphysically that kind of motto and Carrie @ H2H Parents (25:04.226) Yes, Jen (25:18.584) My kids are just really sensitive to the unseen. So I have extra tools for the metaphysical realm. And sometimes it's like you're courted. Somebody's courted into you. you don't like. So we we do a lot of calling our energy back and like almost make it like hand mantras, like delineating. This is mine. This is yours. So there's a lot of little simple reframes and it's all about awareness. Right. Like, yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (25:49.475) I love that this is mine, this is yours. I haven't thought about, that's a great visual for a kid. Jen (25:53.777) yeah, so like when I even, well like we will take like, yeah, like I'll just take my hands, rub them together and just go like this. It's just something to delineate my bubble, yours. yeah, there's, when I was teaching at a mom's space, it was just running your own personal energy. playing with colors, frequency. It's just the genesis, like witnessing it happen is super powerful. Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (26:27.95) our kids are born with this conscious spiritual connection. They're really seeking it. They're asking questions. They're wanting to learn. And then you're going into the world with this big, sensitive, open door, right? You don't understand the world yet. So I love these ways of teaching them things that maybe we wish we would have known as children as well. So many mind-body connection pieces. Jen (26:33.229) Yes! Jen (26:46.118) Yeah. Jen (26:54.224) Well, yes, I was so much and we talk about emotions are just energy in motion. So when you don't actually like feel them, they tend to get stuck or stored in your body. So and then another modality that I'm just now delving into because it is wild. A lot of it has to do with my own personal journey with. Carrie @ H2H Parents (27:09.762) Yep. Jen (27:21.938) sleep disorder breathing, a tongue tie and palatal expansion, like all of the things is your fascia. We have like this cool underneath our skin is a whole fascia system that has consciousness and crystalline structured water. So like you can release a lot of things and regulate through just gentle. I think I'm good at it because I have the Reiki and like the touching with gentleness and gentle but firm pressure over time will melt and thaw out some stored traumas, whether it's physical, emotional or whatnot. So I'm doing something called myofascial release by John F. Barnes. He's just a really cool, he's a physical therapist, but he's doing things differently than more of this 3D realm. He works more at treating the fascia as consciousness. yeah, so there's, mean, gosh, I could talk about all the tools and I, yeah. And the body, in the body, like I will say that when our kids have a tummy ache or I'll give an example, we actually just opted out of CMAS testing because my daughter's heartburn. Carrie @ H2H Parents (28:32.846) There's so many, right? There's so many. Yeah. Jen (28:49.328) started the day of. I'm like, why are we? And if you talk to teachers, the CMAS testing is more to evaluate them. And then they don't even get the results back until the following year. So it doesn't even help them to modify how they're teaching our kids. So we are always saying, your body is always. telling you what's off or out of balance. We just gotta tune into it. Carrie @ H2H Parents (29:21.486) Yeah, we just started that on Monday and it has been a lot for my almost 10 year old. So I think we're trying to figure out if we're going to even if we have to finish or we're definitely going to opt out next year, but I don't know what we're gonna do right now. We're trying to figure that out. It's a lot. Jen (29:29.708) Yeah. Jen (29:35.685) I don't think you, right, I don't know. don't know. We opted out. It's been a little bit interesting because we can't drop off. We didn't know. Our middle schooler, they're testing, so she just got dropped off at about 30 minutes ago because we opted out. And I have, two of my kids are identified as gifted learners. One has dyslexia. just different brains and we celebrate our differences and we just support our systems uniquely. Yeah, it sounds like you're finding all the modalities to regulate your little, your special souls. Yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (30:18.286) We are. Yeah. Yeah. I really like it. I feel like in speech therapy, feel like goal writing has now gone from, I think I heard somebody just, I would describe it as somebody said when we used to write goals for kids who were neurodiverse, when you look into a classroom, you don't know. Like everybody is sitting in their chair. Everything looks even. Jen (30:34.374) Bye. Jen (30:46.414) Yes. Yes. Carrie @ H2H Parents (30:47.5) right? And now we're trying to write goals to support any challenges, to support who they are, to support their strengths. And it's not about looking like everybody else. Jen (30:55.789) Yes. And even- No, which that is a big shift and that's been the biggest thing with me returning to early intervention and being like, cool. Like I'm going through all the the EI training in Colorado and it's always about child first language or coaching the parents, right? Like helping their connection. And so like you being aware of like, well, why are we putting this extra pressure? A lot of it is because we have unresolved childhood. emotional. So we're projecting that subconsciously onto our kids. And this is why I love and all of your subconscious programming solidifies between zero to like age eight to ten. So everything we learn about the world and we talk about sub I work I do belief work. So everything subconsciously that are that we've subscribed to as a belief. Then you end up mocking that up. in your reality. So I can give an example with me is like I had a belief of I must suffer to be close to God. Like I wouldn't ever ask God for help or connect to my higher self or source when everything was going really well. But I also was raised Catholic and it was like you like this worthiness piece. There was just a lot going on. And so once I got really into the subconscious patterning, and my why I subscribe to that and release it, it's like, wow, life is so much better when I'm not actively looking for people in situations that just validate that belief that I've subscribed to. So, yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (32:44.066) They are our biggest teachers. So much comes up as we are going along and trying to figure out. Jen (32:47.8) As we're parent, yeah, our trip has, yeah, I realize me and my husband talk about where we overcompensate for things that we didn't have growing up. Like I had my, both my parents worked and so like they never were at my soccer games and this is, and they know this is not, this is just how life was. So like we're almost overly active in our. like kids activities and you know so we're like we know it we're like this is just because we're trying to settle some hurt that we had or yeah Carrie @ H2H Parents (33:22.36) Yeah, I over-parented my kiddo, my older kiddo who was turning 10, in friendships. And I was like, why don't I just, and he finally said, mom, I have friends. Like, chill out. I'm like, OK, I need to go back and heal inner Carrie a little bit, young Carrie. And it was pretty funny. But yes, I totally get what you're saying. Thank you. Jen (33:28.688) Yeah. Jen (33:38.202) Yes. Totally. But beautiful that you are able to have that awareness. So anyways, thank you so much for having me here. could, again, I'm probably, I mean, I'm a little neurodivergent with like, whoa, like, let's talk about this. And it kind of goes off in tangents, but yeah, hopefully. Yes, yes. Carrie @ H2H Parents (33:49.964) Yeah. Thanks, Chad. Carrie @ H2H Parents (34:02.466) We get in the flow. We were in the flow. Love connecting with others like that. And Jen, I love what you're doing. You have a wonderful practice in Windland Park. Yeah. Jen (34:13.842) Woodland Park, yeah. I see people in person also, like I do virtual sessions too. So it's energy. Like as you learn from the telepathy tapes, nothing has to be done. Here, can work on the quantum. So yeah. Carrie @ H2H Parents (34:21.634) Great. Carrie @ H2H Parents (34:29.292) Yeah, it's so cool. I love they're bringing it all to light. So I'll include it in the show notes and your contact and all of that. I would love, yeah, to put that in there. Thanks so much for joining us and connecting. Jen (34:33.318) Mm-hmm. Jen (34:37.49) Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Thank you for having me. It was so great to connect with another fellow SLP mama. Carrie @ H2H Parents (34:47.311) It's true.