Tech, Childhood and Legacy

In this episode, Alicia and George discuss their experiences with family legacy, parenting challenges, and the impact of technology on their children's lives. They explore the importance of fostering family bonds and values, the role of philanthropy in their lives, and the struggles of balancing work and personal life amidst the pressures of entrepreneurship. The conversation highlights their candid reflections on parenting, technology addiction, and the pursuit of a meaningful legacy for their children.

Chapters

00:00 Family Legacy and Bonds
09:53 Navigating Technology and Parenting
19:59 Philanthropy and Family Values
29:37 Burnout and Work-Life Balance

Transcript

Geroge McKenzie (00:00.268)

Both of us, I'll speak for both of us, didn't come from a wealthy family and don't have a ton of super close family ties on the back. And so I'm hoping to, for me, I'm hoping to change that trajectory for our kids where hopefully they're closer to each other as they grow up and are closer to each other as adults and keep this family bond. So finding ways in which we can foster the behavior we want, you know, through our legacy, I think is important.

Welcome to Married to the Startup. I'm Alicia MacKenzie, a wellness entrepreneur and digital creator. Alongside me is my amazing husband, George, the CEO who's always ready for a new challenge. We've been navigating marriage and running startups for over a decade, and we're here to share the real, unfiltered journey with you. Join us for insights and candid conversations about integrating love, family, and entrepreneurship. This is Married to the Startup, where every day is a new adventure.

All right, welcome to episode number 33. I am Alicia McKenzie.

I need to break it to you. That's why I disappear every night. You think I'm around. It's my alter ego.

But you don't, you're always around.

Alicia McKenzie (01:14.338)

You're always around. I'm Batman. All right. What do we want to talk about first? Let's start with, can we start with our babies? Because I love them so much. Our nine year old went to a birthday party this past weekend. And at first it started off, so they did like a whole laser tag deal. But then this property had a creek.

You have the list.

Geroge McKenzie (01:28.327)

So do I.

Alicia McKenzie (01:43.628)

and it had access to the Potomac River and it had zip lines and tether ball. And this is one of Maddox's classmates. This is his mom's childhood home. So the grandparents lived there and they do birthday parties here. And it was the most nostalgic event, birthday party that I've just, I've ever been to. Like everything about it was so wholesome.

and the kids had a blast and they all got in the river and they were just filthy, dirty little children running around having 1980s fun. And it was very, very well done. Agreed. But as we go into summer and the kids want technology more and more, trying to figure out how to...

teach them how to use technology properly, but also make sure that they're still doing all of the kid things and using their imagination and just making sure that they don't become zombies in front of a TV for three months.

Yeah, it's always a challenge. Yeah. I think if you have land like that, that's awesome. So they get to explore, be grounded and, you know, learn their body through play. But it's more challenging when you don't have yards and they're home all summer. And if you don't put them in camps, then they are in the house while you're still trying to work. It's like back to COVID days where you're trying to have a job or trying to do calls or do whatever, while your kids are running rampant.

in the house. And the easy button is to give them electronics or television. I know, I know we did. Yeah, and then the only thing we have really is the vision quest. Oculus or the vision. I think it's a quest now. I don't think they call it Oculus anymore. Okay. But yeah, and we got that mainly for Maddox to help with his baseball. So they have a lot of VR training, which is pretty cool. Some of the stuff you can do in there and then the games are okay.

Alicia McKenzie (03:22.67)

But we got rid of all their...

Alicia McKenzie (03:30.656)

ocula.

Geroge McKenzie (03:46.954)

It's in some of the stuff where you can go explore different places and you're virtually like in Cairo or virtually at one of the seven wonders of the world. It's pretty cool.

But what I don't understand is how are these forms of technology so damn addictive?

I think it's the child. Yeah. I don't know. Part of me thinks it's just the child's brain. Like children are very inquisitive and this is a, you know, kind of a dopamine hit continuously. So technology is designed to continuously hit that pleasure sensor and just constantly give you some new stimulus. Just like where TV, even you see it in my generation, right? We used to watch television that had commercials and you would watch the whole show and you'd wait.

next week till the next programming comes on. Now kids, man, if they watch a television show and there's a commercial, they're angry as to why they can't just fast forward.

First, they don't call them commercials. Why is this ad on?

Geroge McKenzie (04:46.094)

Exactly, why is this add on? And you know, they're used to YouTube and you know, other forms of media in which the commercial, the whole episode is the commercial. Yeah. So it's just slightly different. Like we used to know commercials and that's when you went to the bathroom, you got food or something. Now their entire show, the YouTube short or whatever you call it, the whole thing is one big commercial.

Yeah, that's another thing. Like we don't let them use YouTube on a regular basis because it's just, I mean, some of the things are good, right? Like Mark Rober and there's some baseball things on there that are good, but like they just get sucked into some of these worlds. And I'm like, what the hell are you watching?

Yeah, and auto-feed you the next story and then you just keep going down the path and a lot of these shock and awe, YouTube's like, you know, eating spicy stuff or eating crazy stuff or this candy or that candy. It's, or unboxing. It's not called unboxing anymore, whatever. Hull.

Let's watch this whole right like Maddox was watching a baseball. Oh, right. Like where this guy, the one thing I did like was that the creator, the content creator, all of the stuff that he received from these companies, he then went to the comments and picked out random people and gave it away. And we're talking like, I want to say he got up to like $10,000 worth of merchandise that was sent to him. So he went through, he unboxed everything and then he gave it away. I think that is a great

model, but it's not common. That's actually the first time I've seen somebody do that. You've got a lot of these content creators. Finding the balance or just teaching them how to use it, that's definitely a challenge. And I don't know how we're going to do it this summer because, yeah, I just don't know. We took away the iPad, we took away the Switch. Travel definitely helps, but we're kind of grounded this year because Ava's going off to college. we have to be here more and

Geroge McKenzie (06:38.094)

Yeah. Travel help.

Alicia McKenzie (06:47.914)

the older boy has a ton of baseball through July, so we have to be here more. getting away to our little oasis where they ride bikes and act like kids, like that's going to be truncated to a few weeks this summer. So now we have to figure out how to parent our children with the use of technology or without it, right? Do we just sign them up for a bunch of summer camps? mean, sleep away camp was an option, but no. Why? Why? Because I don't. Why don't you like?

it.

sleepaway camp. A lot of people send their children to sleepaway camps and they have very grounded, fulfilled little humans. It could work for us, but you won't give it a try. Why? Because you've put it in their heads that it's terrible. like our sons don't like khakis because you don't like khakis. That's not true. You're projecting your idiosyncrasies on them. From summer camp?

works for some people.

want to because our children don't want to.

Geroge McKenzie (07:43.534)

protecting them.

Did you have a bad experience at summer camp? Exactly. It could be amazing. Sleepaway camp. Band camp.

ever been to a sir.

Could. Nope. No thanks. No thanks. We all know what happens at Bank. I have. All of them. So, I'll pass the knowledge on. Yeah, it's interesting because like even when we set time limits, I feel like we do a good job of time limiting. So like even when they were playing on the Quest, it was 20 minutes a day. 30 minutes. But I would ballpark it like...

Nobody's seen American Pie. Okay.

Geroge McKenzie (08:22.52)

they'd be short of 30 minutes most times. And they don't know the difference.

Yes, but even with 30 minutes a day, they're like little crackheads. come in and they're like, where's the Oculus? I get my 30 minutes. I know. It's like they're little junkies. Yeah. And then this

They just like to have, it's like a treat, right? They get it so they want to have it. They feel good about it and they look forward.

Are we bad for taking that away? Maybe. Really? Maybe. Should we give it back?

after a few days maybe. We told Or maybe every other day.

Alicia McKenzie (08:52.684)

We told them they couldn't have it for four weeks because of their unacceptable house behavior.

So maybe we'll we'll see but I definitely don't think every day and especially not like As soon as they get home that's the first thing they want or they wake up in the morning They try to sneak it like that. That's where the problem

I feel like that's the difference between an addict and somebody who can use it appropriately.

Yeah, every child is an addict. Sugar, TV. TV. I watch TV all day.

Maverick's not though. Okay, but it doesn't affect him negatively.

Geroge McKenzie (09:21.518)

what the iPad does and the Oculus does.

So basically, the moral of the story is we have no clue what we're doing when it comes to technology in children. It's like a try it out, see what happens and then.

Well, I think we have certain boundaries, Like social media, there's certain things we cut off. Gaming, we don't really do any games. They had a switch for a while, but they got a little overboard with that, so we limited that.

We've done a very good job of figuring out what doesn't work.

That's part of figuring out who you are.

Alicia McKenzie (09:53.002)

Okay, moving on. Speaking of families, let's talk about how the business decisions we make and the financial decisions we make keep the, let's just call it like the family legacy, which sounds really, really cheesy. But I feel like we're building towards something that is bigger than just us. And we want to leave something bad or something for our kids, not necessarily fiscally, but

Yeah, no, I think, you know, both of us, I'll speak for both of us, didn't come from a wealthy family and don't have a ton of super close family ties on the back. And so I'm hoping to, for me, I'm hoping to change that trajectory for our kids where hopefully they're closer to each other as they grow up and are closer to each other as adults and keep this family bond. So finding ways in which we can foster the behavior we want, you know, through our legacy, I think is important.

So, you know, one of those things is I agree with you that we shouldn't look to give our kids money at the end. So there's no like pot of gold at the of the rainbow for me. I don't think giving our children money is the right answer. And we read a lot of stories and articles around cold money and dead money, warm money and cold money. So for me, I'm more on the warm money where over the course of their life, you know, I have no problem.

helping them achieve things in their life if I have the ability to financially to help them. But longer term is creating a company and a kind of an ethos that they prescribe, they become a part of. So that's what we did with creating a lot of the trusts and stuff like that of creating more of a family business, the business of the family versus individualized money. So it's more of something that they can be a part of and they can run and operate and that

Hopefully we'll keep them together.

Alicia McKenzie (11:46.614)

Okay, so how does philanthropy play into this? Because personally, I feel like one of us is a little tighter on the purse strings when it comes to philanthropy.

I'm just tight. I'm tight on the purse strings when it comes to money. My view of it is I worked super hard to make it so I don't want and my goal is for that money to last my life. Hold on to

In my view, which has been proven true more times than I can count, is that what you let go and put into the universe comes back to you. It has, though. Yeah. Isn't it like you have to admit that it's

I'm glad that works for you.

Geroge McKenzie (12:23.822)

But I think philanthropy, my view, philanthropy

You just wait for me to tell you where to send the def.

Well, we do this on debt funds, but I think what's more productive in philanthropy, and especially for our children, is teaching them their time, dedicating their time to others is more valuable than dedicating money to charities. Well, the time that we put into, we used, let's say the meal packing stuff, we used our own money to buy the ingredients, and then we spent our own time and effort and energy into packing.

Please don't feel that way.

Geroge McKenzie (12:58.348)

And I think that is a great lesson for our children that, one, there are people on this planet that have a lot less than us. There's people even in our own neighborhoods that don't have food on their plate. Right? So being able to use the privilege that we have to use our time to help them, I think is fantastic. And that using your time to help others is a bigger commitment to, you know, helping the planet and helping your fellow human than just stroking a check.

feel differently only because I know people on the other side of the nonprofit and volunteers are plentiful but checks are not and you can help and do all the things in the world but people can't do any of the work without money. Yeah. So I don't know how I feel about that and then the meal packing events that was great my one issue

And one, like the biggest issue that just felt really, really wrong was the quality of some of the food. Like we had a woman helping us do the meal packing events and she looked at some of the ingredients and she's like, this is basically like scraping the bottom of the barrel. And that's what some of these people are living off of.

I know, but my criticism to that is, yeah, it's great to be in a position where you can pick and choose the food that you want to eat. You're like, that's not the best grain of rice. That's not the best bean. I only eat the best beans. only eat, right? Like it's a virtue signal. It's a fantastic thing to say when you are the one who has the ability to be selective, right? When you have nothing in your stomach for three days, you don't give a fuck what the bean looks like.

Right? You don't care that it's not the best rice kernel or whatever the fuck seed that you've ever seen. Right? You just want something to eat that's edible and it's nutritious and it's going to fill your stomach. So I find it hard to argue the point of quality. It's like someone who's

Alicia McKenzie (14:55.918)

Let me my thought. No. Let me finish my thought, please. Never. Is that I would rather support companies who are more into greenscaping and creating community gardens and figuring out how to support those companies versus the ones who are scraping the bottom of the barrel for beans, right? Like I get to pick and choose where I put my effort and my time.

I agree. just think at some point that's what it's I don't know how to articulate it. It's a very rosy outlook. Like, yeah, the people that are starving, I don't want to give them food that may be subpar. I'd rather them work in a community and have a community garden and hope that they because it's not.

Alicia McKenzie (15:37.506)

What is that?

It's not.

It is but you go into where do the most of these people live? They don't live in places that have community gardens that are supported by charities One okay, and then in six months, they'll have you know some lettuce

Why can't you create?

Geroge McKenzie (15:57.804)

I've done, I just think that it sounds amazing. Yeah, that shit's expensive. Yeah, I mean, it's a fantastic idea.

Vertical gardening. Anyway.

Alicia McKenzie (16:09.336)

think moral of the story here is that I'm the one in this family who picks and chooses our charities. That is true. So you can complain and do all the things you want, but the person who puts it into action is me. So if I want to go dig a community garden in Ward 8 in Washington, DC, then maybe I will. And all of our kids can come help. Do you think we should do more meal packing?

Yes.

Geroge McKenzie (16:36.282)

Yeah, and maybe there's another meal packing service that has a higher quality. But at the end of the day, when you're looking at something that has a long shelf life, that's easy to prepare, right? And that can nourish people, that's, I think.

I'm really nourishing them though, I think it's just like...

Nourishing from my perspective, nourishing means that you are sustaining life. Like if you're at the point where you need, you have no food, right? Then you need nourishment, you need calories and you need sustenance.

So you're feeding people. Yes. You're not nourishing them. You're feeding them. I think there's a big difference. think nutrient dense and nourishment is different than just feeding them. You're providing food.

Okay, okay, what's the difference?

Geroge McKenzie (17:21.006)

Okay, if you're hungry, which one do you want? Maybe we find a charity that has a long shelf life, more nutritious, I can't say that word.

not answering.

Alicia McKenzie (17:33.058)

Nutrient dense? Yeah, sure. I think the family brand is that we like to spend our time and our money helping others that can't do it for themselves. Yes. And that is something that is important to us and that we model for our children. Correct. So I think that goes into part of our legacy, part of our values, our family ethos, whatever you want to call it, but then also a form of almost mentorship. I feel like you do a lot of mentoring accidentally.

Hmm, do I? Must be extremely accidentally though.

Yeah.

No, seriously, like people come to you so often being like, all right, I want to get this off the ground. How do I do it? And then you're like, well, you need to do X, Y, and Z. And don't do this, that, the other. And this has worked in the past. This has worked in the past. Like that's mentorship, don't you think?

I do. have lots of stories of how to do things wrong.

Alicia McKenzie (18:25.814)

I mean, you've done a few things, right? I have.

I but I've learned a lot of lessons along the way. A lot of learning. Still learning all the time. For what?

Do we have a succession plan?

for the next generation, for our little humans? Who gets what?

For our state, We already have that articulated in our will. It's proportionate. The assets go to the estate and then those are apportioned out based on how old people are at the time. But most of our assets outside of the cash, the businesses, the equity in the business is 100 % to the trust and the trust is divided equally.

Alicia McKenzie (18:47.256)

Who gets what? I don't remember.

Alicia McKenzie (19:09.368)

Did we do it based on age, like how old the kids are?

for disbursement of capital. So the younger the child, the more cash they need. that nobody gets anything until the youngest is out of capital.

Okay.

Alicia McKenzie (19:24.812)

interesting. Is that what we did? Yeah. I feel like we went through this whole process and did a ton of paperwork and then I blocked it from my memory.

Yeah, so the vast amount of the capital assets would sit in the trust until the youngest is out of college.

So it's baby Maya's fault. Correct. They don't get anything until she graduates.

Yeah, let's hope we all live her graduating college. that's the age.

What if she never graduates? okay. Makes sense. All right, moving on. Are you experiencing burnout?

Geroge McKenzie (19:55.126)

Maybe. Give me the test. Okay. Let's take the test.

Are you experiencing a loss of enthusiasm? For anything? For life? For decline in interest and work and hobbies?

Yes, for what?

Geroge McKenzie (20:10.24)

In work, yes.

You're experiencing a disinterest in work. Interesting. What about reduction of performance? I don't know. Are you having difficulty concentrating on work things? Are you less efficient?

Mmm, yeah.

Geroge McKenzie (20:20.942)

I'll take that.

Geroge McKenzie (20:25.134)

Hmm. Sometimes. I think I'm more efficient. Really? Yeah. Where I'm more focused on getting it done fast or getting it done as efficiently as possible so I have more time to not do it or do other things.

Okay, fair enough. Are you exhausted? Are you experiencing a deep persistent tiredness?

Always. I think that's just getting older, isn't it?

I don't know, I'm not exhausted. Like I feel like I'm getting so much shit done but I wake up like ready to do more. Is that how you're feeling? No. No? No. Okay.

I feel like I wake up and push the sludge a little and then do it again tomorrow.

Alicia McKenzie (21:10.082)

That's sad. Yes, it is. Are you anxious? You are such an anxious person. I am. It's wild. I feel like your anxiety gives me anxiety.

Always.

Geroge McKenzie (21:21.486)

you're the opposite of anxious like so chill it gets me

You know, it's weird. So we're sitting on the couch last night and he gets an alert on his phone that the Wi-Fi in our beach house went down. cameras in the beach house went down. So he couldn't have he couldn't see what was going on in the beach house. And his first thought is that I did not pay any of the bills. Like in what world is that a normal reaction? So to put his mind at ease, I had to log in to all of our

Well, the camera.

Alicia McKenzie (21:56.462)

paid utilities and show him that I actually paid them.

Well, you did have your credit card number stolen recently and we had to replace it. Yes. So could be an issue.

No, there wasn't because none of those bills are tied to a credit card. Wow. In what world is that a normal reaction? In a very anxious world. Is that a normal reaction?

In my world, it's 100 %

Geroge McKenzie (22:22.87)

Yes. But don't act like that's never happened.

Shut up. It happened one time. I know. It happened.

And I'll never let you in the end of it.

We were there. We were there. And I'm doing laundry and trying to do dishes and all of sudden the water shuts off. And I thought it was the workers downstairs. And I was like, babe, go check to make sure they didn't cut a water line or something. Turns out I didn't pay the water bill. And the guy was literally right in front of our house and had this little key to shut off access to the water to our house.

You're there.

Alicia McKenzie (22:57.91)

And then when I tried to get him to come back, he's like, I'm on my lunch break. So we had to wait like a full hour before he would come turn our water back on. But that is the one time that I did not pay a bill. they actually shut our water off. Who does that? Ever. Really? Yeah. No, I feel like that shouldn't be allowed.

I know, isn't that weird?

Geroge McKenzie (23:17.268)

I agree. I 100 % agree that we should not, one of the basic necessities of life, we shouldn't deny people because they can't afford it. Yeah. Like that just seems.

Pick up, you didn't pay your bill, you don't get any water.

Yeah, so now that you're deemed unworthy of water, you have to live in squalor and unsanitary conditions because you don't have water, the building block of life. know, whatever. You're fine. You don't have enough money, so.

Whatever. But I digress. One time I didn't pay a bill. Okay, back to it. Anxiety. Irritability and mood swings. Yes. Really? They're irritable all the time though, but I think that's just when our kids are annoying.

I feel like I'm irritable sometimes.

Geroge McKenzie (23:54.817)

Hey, it's not fair. It is. It's only in the 17th through the 24th.

Shut up. I have a reason for my irritability. I literally cannot control what my hormones are doing.

I have hormones too. Men have hormones.

Not as variable as women. Varied. as varied as women. No, I feel like men are more even keel. Yeah, basically. Basically. Do you feel an increased sensitivity to stress? No. No? You're a ball of stress.

And not as variable. Or cyclical, maybe.

Geroge McKenzie (24:20.002)

Just assholes all the time.

Geroge McKenzie (24:31.15)

I all the time, so I don't know. It's just the way I'm built. I agree. Yeah, maybe I should just smoke weed every day. Maybe.

not a good way to live. You need to be less stressed. Maybe we got some upstairs. Emotional detachment. Are you feeling disconnected from personal relationships or work?

Hey, don't broadcast that.

Geroge McKenzie (24:53.482)

Just now. Yeah, maybe. Maybe from work, not from people.

Now, are you feeling more cynical than normal?

No, I'm more cynical. I don't know how I could get more cynical. That would be hard.

That would be a feat. It would. Okay, so burnout. Yes. You think you're burnt out?

No, I don't know if I'm burnt out or not but I think I'm I think we talked about it a few podcasts ago some of the woman at your one of your events but I'm a hundred percent I've kind of taken that much I don't feel very ambitious anymore which I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing hmm maybe I just haven't found the right avenue to channel it

Alicia McKenzie (25:32.344)

Maybe you're just bored with the shit you've been doing. you're just not excited. And it's not novel. And it's not easily buildable. And it's not going your way.

possible.

Geroge McKenzie (25:44.366)

That and non-compete bullshit. Like I hate non-compete.

Yeah, like you're kind of stuck,

I am I feel like I'm not in control of my own destiny

Yeah, you know what's annoying? What? The fact that we have like the same vernacular and the same sentence.

Well, we've been together over half your life, so I'm pretty sure.

Alicia McKenzie (26:03.582)

That is wild. I have a birthday coming up.

I know. Which will almost mark, I think, officially half your life. 19.

Yeah. Let me see. We've been together half year. That's insane.

Your life, dun dun dun. Is it? I think it's awesome. Yeah, someone I would want to spend half their life with.

I don't even know how to respond to that. So what do we do? What do we do? You're burnt out. What do we do? I don't know. You can't do what you're doing. You can't do anything cyber, right? Like you're kind of, you're in handcuffs for that. Correct. Do we switch fields? What can we do that's fun and exciting?

Geroge McKenzie (26:48.12)

Maybe, I don't know. There used to be blood and semen, but now there's not. I can start an OnlyFans.

There's just blood.

What are you going to show? Your big toe?

Mmm, it's quite nice.

I don't know. So, I mean, you're burned out. I feel like in six months I'll be burnt out.

Geroge McKenzie (27:07.296)

Mm-hmm. Maybe we do a year. I don't know how we do it without them. If you have an answer to that, let me know.

with our kids.

Alicia McKenzie (27:17.25)

We can't leave him here with Misty and Grandma. Bye. Hey, Misty.

I guess we could try. Yeah, what if we just did a year of just lots of travel?

No. No, only because I feel like I'm on, I'm onto something. I'm like a dog with a bone right now, but I know that continuing at this pace, it's, I'm at the point where my brain won't shut off. And I don't know, I don't, I don't think I can stop it until I don't even know. Right? Like I feel like I'm in full startup mode. Yeah. When does it end? Year three?

It depends. If you start getting traction, or you don't, if you start getting traction then it'll probably just accelerate.

We're coming up on a year. That's why I feel the acceleration happening. I don't know if it's good or bad.

Geroge McKenzie (28:02.696)

I think it's good. I think you got some challenges ahead that you have to overcome. They never seem significant at the time.

Not a time.

I mean, in my head, nothing's too big to overcome. True. I feel like when you've had a traumatic childhood, everything in life was just like, huh, this is easy. Yeah. This is great. This isn't like psych ward. I'm all. All right, anything else? How are we going to continue this thing as we go through the summer? I know.

step.

Geroge McKenzie (28:30.668)

No, do we take a hiatus again? It's very challenging. I mean, I think we've gotten a lot of it to be somewhat portable now. Yeah. But it's the room that's the problem.

Yeah.

Alicia McKenzie (28:42.424)

the rumor happens. Yes. But here's the thing. We are only gone for like three weeks.

Yeah, so I think it'll be fine. I think it'll just take a month. Aeros.

I don't think so. think we just batch. We batch build it.

Yeah, maybe. Well, every time we try that, we waste episodes.

I was going to say your mom, but I feel like that's too soon.

Geroge McKenzie (29:03.253)

But every time, yeah, we used to batch a lot of episodes and then you ended up losing them because they're stale or you don't like the topic anymore.

Hmm. We'll figure it out. But yeah, I think this one is going to come out late. right. Anything else?

Okay, good.

Geroge McKenzie (29:18.401)

Not really. It's going to be a shorter one. If they were all the exact same length, they'd be a sitcom. 30 minute episodes with commercial breaks. They're kind of formulaic.

Yeah, it is. definitely shorter.

Alicia McKenzie (29:24.962)

I don't get it.

Alicia McKenzie (29:32.462)

Okay, we're done. Okay, bye.

Alicia McKenzie (29:37.752)

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