Iron Maiden-Hell on Earth

Welcome back to another episode of Mandatory Music. Tonight, we venture into the shadowy realm of Iron Maiden’s haunting epic, ‘Hell on Earth.’ As the final chapter of their 2021 album Senjutsu, this 11-minute odyssey pulls us into a world of apocalyptic visions, chilling reflections, and dark philosophical truths.

Through cryptic lyrics and soaring melodies, Maiden conjures a harrowing tale of chaos and resilience, leaving us to question: is this vision of hell already upon us? Or is it a warning of what’s to come?

Join us as we unravel the layers of this masterpiece, piece by piece. From the ominous opening notes to its thunderous climax, we’ll explore every shadow, every mystery, and every revelation. Brace yourself for the journey—this is Iron Maiden’s ‘Hell on Earth

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Hell on Earth - 2025/01/13 18:50 PST - Transcript

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Mandatory Music, Sebastian Kwapich

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Mandatory Music: Good evening and welcome back to another fine episode of Mandatory Music.

Mandatory Music: track Hell on Earth as the grand finale of their 2021 album Senjutsu.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yes. Let's do it.

Mandatory Music: This song is nothing short of a masterpiece. Blending apocalyptic imagery, philosophical reflection, and Maiden's signature galloping rhythms into an 11-minute journey. We'll be unpacking the lyrics, the music, and how it ties into the legendary disog discoraphy. Whether you're a diehard Maiden fan or just discovering their music, we are here to explore every riff, every verse, every emotional twist. So, strap in, headbang along, and let's get ready to journey through Maiden's vision of hell on earth. Let's do it, baby. Vin,…

Sebastian Kwapich: Let's do it, baby. I am well.

Mandatory Music: how are you? Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Hell on Earth. The last new track of music ever put out by Iron Maiden so far. Don't know if they have another album.

Sebastian Kwapich: Most likely they will. But if we have said this when we heard that originally,…

Sebastian Kwapich: if this is the last song Iron Maiden ever puts out, it's such a good koda on their career as musicians,…

Mandatory Music: It's fine.

Mandatory Music: Yeah, because it could be the greatest.

Sebastian Kwapich: right? Yeah.

Mandatory Music: For me, it's one of their greatest. It's obviously We'll get into it, but it's the same formula, but it's just so emotional and so just it's emotive and you feel everything they put into it.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. It's very interesting…

Sebastian Kwapich: because they always have maybe one or two or three songs like this on every album. Maybe not the first two albums, but pretty much every album since then. They have these long 12 minute this one clocks in at 11 minutes and…

Mandatory Music: Yeah, sure.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: 19 seconds. These long epic songs where they go through an epic journey of something, right?

Sebastian Kwapich: And so the fascinating thing about this song is written in…

Sebastian Kwapich: what the album came out in 2019 I believe or…

Mandatory Music: came out in 21 and…

Mandatory Music: it was done in 2019 it…

Sebastian Kwapich: so it was done in 2019 right…

Mandatory Music: then yeah then co kind of put the brakes on that obviously the world stopped did right kind of yep and…

Sebastian Kwapich: but he predicted it in this song kind of right the earth went to hell during 2020 right so Yeah.

Mandatory Music: yeah it totally did which is bizarre and as we even looking at the news today it's even a fiery landscape all that stuff going in LA.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: I know where I live anyway. fires are a thing, but cities don't burn where I live. It's just To have, a major metropolis burn the way LA is burning it's awful.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. That's something, Right now.

Mandatory Music: It's just absolutely awful. And all the poor all the people that maybe not have the right home insurance,…

Mandatory Music: they're just going to get screwed. And then where do they go? What do you do? your life is in your house.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: If you sell your house when you're old, then you can live your retirement happily somewhere and then you have nothing in the blink of an eye. It's Absolutely crazy.

Sebastian Kwapich: It's a terrible thing what's happening in LA right now. but I mean it's fitting the song seems to pair well with what's going on right now.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: So, Yeah.

Mandatory Music: It totally does. but Helen Earth's an interesting song because the title is very aggressive and very very descriptive.  It doesn't leave a lot to the imagination, but as a song goes, there's hope. it's not all doom and gloom for the whole song, which is kind of

Sebastian Kwapich: There is elements of a better going through it and what I'm trying to say hope basically it's not all the worst parts of war.

Sebastian Kwapich: the worst parts of things. So, …

Sebastian Kwapich: so when people talk about Iron Maiden, there's one element of Iron Maiden that is recurring through so many of their songs. And they refer to Iron Maiden music as the Iron Maiden gallop,…

Mandatory Music: I was thinking you were going there.

Mandatory Music: That gallop. Yep.

Sebastian Kwapich: the gallop of Iron Maiden. And for those of you that have never listened to Iron Maiden, maybe listening to this podcast and never heard Iron Maiden, go listen to Hell on Earth. And right after the intro at about the 3 and 1/2 minute mark, yes, it's a 3minut intro to the song when the lyrics start. That is the classic Iron Maiden Gallup where it's like the pace is Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. It's literally like a horse gallop. It's Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: And Iron Maiden is known for that tempo and that pace and those little triplet things with the guitars.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. No.

Sebastian Kwapich: And this song is no different.

Sebastian Kwapich: It's a classic Iron Maiden gallop. so it's so pleasing to the ear. every time they use this gallop formula, you're like, " I love it. Bring me more." Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Yes, it is.

Mandatory Music: Yeah, it and they kind of abandoned it for a while, too. they went away from the Gallup for,…

Mandatory Music: for several albums and all that. And my camera's gone blurry again. It's making me mental.

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Sebastian Kwapich: It's always Mike is a blurry cameraman always,…

Mandatory Music: My god.

Sebastian Kwapich: but it's fine.

Mandatory Music: I don't understand. It is. but yeah, they abandoned it for a long time, especially early 2000s when they got back together with Bruce and all that,…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yep.

Mandatory Music: but I like the fact that they are able to bring it back and embrace it because they did it on a few songs. Strateggo and I can't remember any other ones off the new record that they did.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. And I'm sorry, my camera is making me absolutely I don't understand.

Sebastian Kwapich: Mike's gone all fuzzy on our end,…

Sebastian Kwapich: but it's okay. I know what he looks like.

Mandatory Music: 

Mandatory Music: Yeah, he's known me long enough. And once we start going onto YouTube, I got to figure this mumbo jumbo out because we are going to start streaming stuff…

Sebastian Kwapich: We are live streams,…

Mandatory Music: because we will. And I can't wait for that. But that's live streams.

Sebastian Kwapich: baby. That's in the works.

Mandatory Music: It's in the works.

Sebastian Kwapich: Okay,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah, this camera is just Sorry, it's ruining my night. classic Iron Maiden base intro, shocking,

Sebastian Kwapich: so real quick for those that don't know,…

Sebastian Kwapich: the leader of Iron Maiden is the basist, Steve Harris.

Mandatory Music: Yes, the cap.

Sebastian Kwapich: He writes the maj he's the captain of the ship…

Mandatory Music: Yes. That's…

Sebastian Kwapich: which is usually typically unusual where the bass basement the basist is the leading force of the band because it's usually a guitarist or…

Mandatory Music: that's where both Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: the singer or a combination of the both for Metallica it's a combination of the rhythm guitarist singer…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: which is the same person and the drummer as the two leaders but for Iron Maiden it's Steve Harris the basist he kind of drives the So,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. No.

Sebastian Kwapich: you're never going to have the Metallica problem where you don't hear the bass. That's for sure.

Mandatory Music: And…

Sebastian Kwapich: So, I'm was going to highlight that to you in this song.

Mandatory Music: it's interesting the fact they have three guitar players and you can still hear the bass. it's a shout out to the engineers and the guys who make these records because the bass is so heavily pre prevalent in every song that they do.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Especially over the last 25 years they've had the same producer, Mr. Kevin Shirley, but it's crazy.

Sebastian Kwapich: the production quality to get all the instruments and hearing all the instruments is on another level entirely.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. And the lack of and…

Sebastian Kwapich: That can't be easy.

Mandatory Music: I think the lack of ego for the guitars kind of blend in.

Sebastian Kwapich: And they don't have a rhythmic guitarist.

Mandatory Music: You might not know there's three guitar players listening to it, And they're not crying. I need more volume. Or you don't hear any of that. It's just Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: All three guitarists are lead guitarists. They all take turns doing solos.

Mandatory Music: And they're Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: They all take turns playing rhythm.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: Okay. So two in what is it 1999 Bruce Dickinson came back to the band I believe…

Mandatory Music: Something like that.

Sebastian Kwapich: but it was contingent on bringing Adrien Smith back which was their original lead guitarist cuz I don't know…

Mandatory Music: Hm. He left.

Sebastian Kwapich: if did Adrian leave before Bruce left I think.

Mandatory Music: Adrian left after Seventh Sun. So before No.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yes. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: I think he did the tour and then he was out. And then Bruce left after Fear of the Dark.

Sebastian Kwapich: So it was contingent on him coming back into the band.

Sebastian Kwapich: So then I guess Steve Harris and the rest of the guys were like, why don't we just have three guitarists, right?" And what that allows you to do live specifically,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Right.

Mandatory Music: Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: you can play harmonies and then you can also play a guitar part underneath the harmonies.

Mandatory Music: Mhm. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: So you can play like the bass rhythm and then rhythm with the chords and then two guitars can play a harmony. You can even play triple harmonies too,…

Mandatory Music: Absolutely. Yep.

Sebastian Kwapich: right? …

Sebastian Kwapich: because I was looking through songster.com and I was rolling through the three different guitar parts as I was listening to the song and they're all different,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: they all sound the same notes, but some of them play like a lead work, some of them are just strictly chord progressions.

Sebastian Kwapich: So, you can't replicate the Iron Maiden sound anymore to this day…

Sebastian Kwapich: unless you yourself have three guitars because they make use of three guitars quite proficiently in their songs at this point. So, yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Yeah, exactly.

Mandatory Music: And they're masters at it. They've been doing it with the three for 30 years. And even prior to that, there's even the layers, you don't have to layer as much. So, you got three guys in the room to do them as opposed to before it was just two. And then obviously you But I'm going to piggyback on something you said when they play live.  Sometimes they get Adrian to play in a lower key to sort of accentuate the bass to bring the bass up and bring more meat to the guitars and let the other two play regular old song 80s songs when whereas there's just two I got to think of one but probably Any of those songs Adrian will be playing a key lower and it's just pretty cool which is really really neat.

Mandatory Music: Maybe that's the secret to making the bass sound is the way the bass sound.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. What it…

Sebastian Kwapich: what it does is it bridges the space between the low end of the bass and the high end of the guitars. So it adds a more coral sound to their full sound. maybe Yeah.

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Mandatory Music: Instead of just turning it up, you thicken it and…

Mandatory Music: make it sort of impossible to not have it up there. Not that we don't want to hear Steve Harris…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, we definitely don't want to hear Steve Harris.

Mandatory Music: because We want to hear Steve Harris. Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: I want to comment on one thing that this song does very well in terms of typical Iron Maiden songs and this song, we were talking about before we went started recording that the song is in the key of E, right? And a lot of their songs are in the key of E.

Sebastian Kwapich: However, unlike Metallica,…

Sebastian Kwapich: where Metallica plays a lot of that open E string, this song is basically none of the open E string. And Iron Maiden does a lot of guitar work without using the open sound of the strings. And it's amazing to do that,…

Mandatory Music: Yep. It's amazing.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Mhm.

Sebastian Kwapich: but I think a lot of that is to do with Bruce's voice because he has such an incredibly large range that he can go all over the vocally,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: But yeah, it's definitely in the key of E, but it's not like that low crunching E sound. It's pretty high up on the fretboard whether…

Mandatory Music: it's like basically…

Sebastian Kwapich: where you're playing it.

Mandatory Music: if you're fingering the power chord at nine and at seven and nine, you got your index finger on seven,…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, it's exactly it. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: which on A string, and then your other fingers, you got your pinky and your ring finger on the D and A string. And that's the E they hit.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: And it just brightens up the sound as opposed to having that chug. It's just Yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: So, that's kind of the main difference between Iron Maiden and…

Mandatory Music: it's just higher up and It sounds better.

Sebastian Kwapich: a lot of heavy metal bands will stay in that one two three four one to five pocket of the fretboard…

Mandatory Music: Mhm. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: because they want that low open sound. But Iron Maiden uses a lot of stuff near the middle of the guitar fretboard in a lot of their songs, which gives them a higher sounding still in the same key,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Absolutely.

Sebastian Kwapich: but it's much higher sound when you listen to it sonically,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: right? …

Sebastian Kwapich: and it also allows them to dive down into the low strings and then even go further up. So, yeah.

Mandatory Music: Mhm. …

Mandatory Music: because then it brings that, when you do have to go down, it makes it stand out that much more than just being down there the whole time.

Sebastian Kwapich: And I'm actually wondering if, I mean, they've done it before throughout their entire history, but having that third guitarist allows for that a lot to…

Mandatory Music: Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: because now you can have somebody dive into the open E string while still having the other two guitars playing higher up on the So you get fuller sound that way,…

Mandatory Music: Mhm. Exactly.

Sebastian Kwapich: You're not relying Yeah.

Mandatory Music: which is cool.

Sebastian Kwapich: It's pretty cool.

Mandatory Music: Yeah, it Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: So yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: And we said, this is a song, hope amidst an apocalypse as they've done that a few times with some of the songs, obviously not like rhyme the ancient mariner and stuff like that, but hallowed be thy name is there's hope at the end and brighter than a thousand sons from their 2006 records a matter of life and death which I think is criminally underrated.

Mandatory Music: and one of your favorites, The Red and the Black. I haven't heard that song in so long, but there's a lot my god.

Sebastian Kwapich: I got love that song so much.

Sebastian Kwapich: I have a comment about Bruce Dickinson. I have no idea how he remembers all these lyrics. if you take a random epic song, one of their 11 minute songs,…

Mandatory Music: Yes. It's like a book.

Sebastian Kwapich: and just look through the lyrics, it's a freaking novel, Dude,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. I don't get it. And it's almost not fair because obviously with the song with Hell on Earth, Steve Harris wrote everything. He did the lyrics, did the music.

Sebastian Kwapich: and that's even light on the lyrical content.

Mandatory Music: It is.

Sebastian Kwapich: You look at something like Rhyme of the Inner,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. It's literally like the book.

Sebastian Kwapich: which is three times the amount of lyrics.

Mandatory Music: I think there was a book, The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. I think he just took the book.

Sebastian Kwapich: That's a poem, but yes.

Mandatory Music: It's a poem. Sorry, my bad.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, it's okay.

Mandatory Music: I'm not well verssed. You're much more sophisticated than me.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, it's a long poem,…

Mandatory Music: It's a long poem.

Sebastian Kwapich: But hey,…

Mandatory Music: I think he took the whole poem and put it into the song.

Sebastian Kwapich: do not kill an albatross at sea.

Mandatory Music: No, you do not.

Sebastian Kwapich: White albatross is a good omen.

Mandatory Music: Yeah, if you kill one, that's Bad juu.

Sebastian Kwapich: Bad bad.

Mandatory Music: Bad juu.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yes.

Mandatory Music: But yeah, cuz how he can fit these words into a melody. it doesn't make sense cuz the lyrics are supposed to be not accompany and sort of follow sometimes it's too much not I want to say it's verbal diarrhea it's a lot to process and just how Bruce fits it in it blows my mind.

Sebastian Kwapich: So, we were talking about this ear earlier with a bunch of other people. Bruce Dickinson is a very special type of ger. he's not your traditional heavy metal singer that's gurgly.

Mandatory Music: No. No.

Sebastian Kwapich: So, a lot of people are kind of maybe rubbed off the wrong way with the way he sings and…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: the lyrics are not designed as Mike said, the lyrics aren't written to a vocal melody line. The lyrics are there and Bruce has to put a vocal melody line into the lyrics. So, it's already there.

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Sebastian Kwapich: So, as Mike said, it's so super challenging, right? Because sometimes Steve Harris will write this super long sentence and I got to imagine Bruce is like, "Are you kidding me?" "How am I going to put this in that space?" you gotta do it. What the …

Mandatory Music: And I'm assuming he's like,…

Mandatory Music: that sounds like a personal problem to me, so just do it." Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: that sounds you problem. That's not a me problem.

Mandatory Music: That's not me problem. that's amazing. and he does it…

Sebastian Kwapich: He does. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: which is awesome to take that challenge and somehow and make the words legible or Yeah. Yeah. Ouh

Sebastian Kwapich: And that's another quality of Iron Maiden that's been like that through the history of the 50 years that they've been a band or 50 years. It's very story driven their songs. It's not like, yeah, they do poetic stuff and, lyrically or…

Sebastian Kwapich: whatever, but it's all a lot of their epic songs tell a full story from beginning to end. this one is no different.

Mandatory Music: Mhm. And like you you learn a lot about history listening to Iron Maiden…

Mandatory Music: because they're not all their songs…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yep.

Mandatory Music: but a lot of them are steeped in actual world history which is amazing right I'm not saying be quick or be dead is sure absolutely Yep.

Sebastian Kwapich: No, but Alexander the Great, Rhyme of the Inar, power slave, even talking about the slaves of Egypt and whatnot. So, yeah, number of the beasts were very biblical in that sense, too. So, yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: So this is a song that I think about it it kind of reminds me of in a maratada in a way where it's in three distinctive parts.

Mandatory Music: Mhm. Yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: There's the beginning part and then not really because the middle part is reversed because the middle part of this song is really quickened whereas in Marada just basically slows down to a sludge…

Mandatory Music: 

Mandatory Music: it goes Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: which is not a bad thing but a good thing…

Mandatory Music: No, this goes double time and…

Sebastian Kwapich: but yeah.

Mandatory Music: then it has that nice sort of…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. …

Mandatory Music: then that interlude you brings it back to the acoustic and then when it comes back in and Bruce is saying lost in anger and all that it's the best in my opinion I think that whole section between that first that verse of the lost and…

Sebastian Kwapich: that's the best part of the song. not the best.

Sebastian Kwapich: It's Yeah.

Mandatory Music: anger and blah blah blah then it goes into solo then it does again I get goosebumps when it comes on like I put it on the other day for the first time and since when we decided we were doing this I hadn't listened to the song in forever. I was like, I forget about it, but it's like I just never came on and I put it on and I think I was either sitting down here or I was in the car and I was like, " my god, this song is like I forgot how incredibly powerful this song is." And that section in particular,…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yep. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: even, four years later, I've heard the song a million times. It just still the 10,000 hairs on my arm were all standing and it was like, whoa, that is powerful.

Sebastian Kwapich: It's a lesson in songwriting,…

Sebastian Kwapich: too, right?

Sebastian Kwapich: because the whole story and how quickly he goes through all of the lyrics, for the first 95% of the words of the song, he sings them not an accelerated pace, but he sings them quickly because you got to get a lot of words into the verses and chorus, right? You're right. the solo happens and then it slows right down into that soft tender part. And when it comes back out into those last four lines or…

Mandatory Music: Yes. Right. Yep.

Sebastian Kwapich: eight lines or however many times he sings it, it's so carefully sung out every single word.

Mandatory Music: Mhm. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: He lingers on love in anger, lost in anger, life in danger. And he really hits every syllable of those lyric lines.

Sebastian Kwapich: And you need that journey through the rest of the lyrics to get to that point for it to have the same effect. you can't just start there, right? So,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: yeah, I would have to say it's one of my favorite modernday written Iron Maiden songs in probably the last 20 years maybe. And I know the way I felt when I heard it for the first time. I just kept thinking this is a masterpiece of a song. I was so happy this was the last song and…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: the la closer of it,…

Sebastian Kwapich: So yeah.

Mandatory Music: Even the last three to close the record were all epics,…

Mandatory Music: They were all 101 12,…

Sebastian Kwapich: That's right. the last three songs are all 10,…

Mandatory Music: Because it was this death of the Kelts and…

Sebastian Kwapich: 12 minute songs.

Mandatory Music: the Parchment,…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. That's unheard of.

Mandatory Music: if I'm remembering right, those last three were all Steve Harris panned Epics, which like you said, there's one on each record,…

Mandatory Music: but the last 30 two minutes of the album is three songs.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah,…

Mandatory Music: This album was made out of passion and it was made for the true Iron Maiden fans because guys like us can never get enough. I want every song to be Yep.

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Sebastian Kwapich: you're right. Death of the Kelts is 10 minutes and 20 seconds.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. and…

Sebastian Kwapich: The Parchment is 12 minutes and 38 seconds. And Hell on Earth is 11 minutes and 19 seconds.

Mandatory Music: and we got lucky when we saw Iron Maiden in 23. for the first time ever I never peaked at a set list for Iron Maiden and…

Sebastian Kwapich: It's unheard of, folks. You heard it here first.

Mandatory Music: it took all of my strength and my mental fortitude not to look because I look at every concert I go to. So I said no.

Sebastian Kwapich: It's true. He does.

Mandatory Music: And if I was more perceptive I would have figured out they were playing it remember before the show started they were kind of cycling through all the different backgrounds and…

Mandatory Music: the Hell on Earth one was up for five minutes.

Sebastian Kwapich: I didn't even notice that.

Mandatory Music: I saw it and…

Sebastian Kwapich: I don't think I was even paying attention,…

Mandatory Music: I'm like, I wonder what that is." I'm like, "That must be like the writing on the wall." Because I saw sand and buildings. I'm like, "That's got to be writing on the wall." I'm like, "No, it's not." Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: I was blabbering assassed that they played Hell on Earth.

Mandatory Music: When you come out,…

Sebastian Kwapich: I thought no shot they're playing this.

Mandatory Music: no. And you come out in the encore and…

Sebastian Kwapich: None. And …

Mandatory Music: you open with Hell on Earth and you're like, " I just like I was stunned." And it was the coolest thing…

Sebastian Kwapich: yeah. We got six songs off the album.

Mandatory Music: because now I think we got Death of the Kels. Did we get the parchment, too? I can't remember. It doesn't matter. We did. We got a lot. …

Sebastian Kwapich: We got Writing on the Wall. We got Days of Future Past. We got the Time Machine. I remember that because it was like and…

Mandatory Music: there's time machine.

Sebastian Kwapich: then we got Hell on Earth. And we did get the Death of the Kelts. I don't know if we got the Parchment. Did we get the I can't remember.

Mandatory Music: We got death of the cows because Bruce had giant long rant about something.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. …

Mandatory Music: Right.

Sebastian Kwapich: that's right. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: He likes to do that a lot.

Mandatory Music: He does like to do that.

Sebastian Kwapich: Tell stories in the middle of a concert.

Mandatory Music: Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: He'll just randomly talk for five minutes about something that's related or…

Sebastian Kwapich: not related.

Mandatory Music: something. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Related to whatever city he's in,…

Sebastian Kwapich: So, yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: politics or goings on. but there's the part before that lost in anger thing where he has that really it's the slowed part but it's a really quick very wordy lyric where you dance on the graves who bled for us. Do you really think they'll come for Knowledge and virtue taken by lust. Live on the edge of those that you trust. You think that have all the answers for all in your arrogant way. you're only one way to Burn a lamp that is fire in your hands, take you further from these lands. It's just, and then the way he delivers it, it's super fast. It's super quiet. It's super soft. And then it sort of makes that love and anger part pop like even more. And I don't know.

Mandatory Music: I don't want them to be done because I want more music. I want them Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: More like this.

Sebastian Kwapich: But to be Having said that though,…

Sebastian Kwapich: you can't have an all album of all songs like this because then it loses the effect, You need to stagger different types of songs. I know you may disagree with me on that because you probably…

Mandatory Music: No, I don't…

Mandatory Music: because if you let's just say I think…

Sebastian Kwapich: but sometimes you need those four minute songs to give a different flavor to the album, I mean actually Tulle does it.

Mandatory Music: if you had a record of 10 hell on earth …

Sebastian Kwapich: So although no they don't…

Mandatory Music: but they No,…

Sebastian Kwapich: because in Finocular they have two minute songs in between their long songs.

Mandatory Music: they don't because they interlude those stupid instrumentals…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: which mean nothing, which I've never listened to one of them. If I see it's on two minutes, I'm like, "No, I don't care. I'm out. I move on to the next one." No,…

Sebastian Kwapich: They're not that good but really?

Mandatory Music: that's conversation day. But, Steve Harris's middle name is Percy. I just says here on the lyrics, there you go. Percy. …

Sebastian Kwapich: That's funny.

Sebastian Kwapich: Good name.

Mandatory Music: it's a good name. My daughter has shoes like Percy Jackson.

Sebastian Kwapich: I was just gonna say Percy Jackson.

Mandatory Music: But I think to your point of having an album of 10 epics, you can't do it. It talk about fatigue.

Sebastian Kwapich: No. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: You couldn't even listen to it in the same day. You have to listen to You do.

Sebastian Kwapich: You need different variance?

Mandatory Music: You can't…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah,…

Mandatory Music: because I don't want to sound bad, but The Parchment, Death of the Kelts, and Hell on Earth is a lot to listen to in one go on one side of the record. it's 32 minutes for three songs. it's right…

Sebastian Kwapich: that's an entire album almost,…

Mandatory Music: because I'm looking at so they have it split in two discs on Apple and…

Sebastian Kwapich: .

Mandatory Music: Darkest Hours 720. Death of the Kels is like you said 10:209 119 …

Mandatory Music: what that's insanity but that's a long album.

Sebastian Kwapich: It is a long album,…

Sebastian Kwapich: but there is also only 10 songs on the album and…

Mandatory Music: Yeah, it's an hour and…

Sebastian Kwapich: it's over 80 minutes, I think.

Mandatory Music: 28 minutes long.

Sebastian Kwapich: Jeez. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: But if you're comparing it to Fear and Knoculum, it's no different. Fearculum arguably has less songs and it's just as long. but the actual…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. That's funny.

Mandatory Music: but the songs from Finoculum are really good.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, it's good.

Mandatory Music: Which I'll tell you something. I've never listened to all of Tempest. I' do I can't do it. I don't like Tempest. I really don't. I know you I don't know.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, I love it. Every one of their 10-minute songs on albums are amazing.

Mandatory Music: There's Numa I know we're going off the rails a bit here,…

Sebastian Kwapich: But yeah,…

Mandatory Music: but Numa is the best tool song ever. That song is just awesome.

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Sebastian Kwapich: I may have to agree with you on that one.

Mandatory Music: There's no Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: And also what it represents too, it's a spirit and your life purpose basically and we're one spirit. We're all connected. It's Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. it's amazing on every level,…

Sebastian Kwapich: So no.

Mandatory Music: but we're not here to talk about NUMA. Maybe another day we'll have to get the calculators.

Sebastian Kwapich: Hey man, you don't need to tell me twice.

Sebastian Kwapich: I will always talk about tool.

Mandatory Music: I've actually really enjoyed this is our first time talking about Iron Maiden,…

Mandatory Music: which is for two homers that are love Iron Maiden as much as we do.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Weird, isn't it? Hey …

Mandatory Music: I'm shocked that we haven't talked about Iron

Sebastian Kwapich: so I do want to highlight one thing specifically about Iron Maiden. not just the song, just in general. So, Metallica plays probably, and I'm just spitballing a percentage, probably about 97% of their songs are in E minor.

Mandatory Music: Yeah, there's a couple in F#.

Sebastian Kwapich: probably. …

Mandatory Music: There's a couple in F#.

Sebastian Kwapich: but even if they do like a lower tuning, it's still kind of E minor.

Mandatory Music: Any Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: They're just down tuning the whole guitar.

Mandatory Music: Yes. I think Atlas rises after I think one you talking about. Okay.

Sebastian Kwapich: So, it's still technically the same space that would occupy an E minor on the guitar, but they're just tuning the guitar down a step. Okay. So, peace of mind. I know it's not their greatest album, but peace of mind. so these are the keys that Iron Maiden uses. in peace of mind. Where Eagle's Dare is an E minor. Revelations A Flight of Icarus is an F# minor. Die with your Boots On is an The Trooper is an E minor. Stale life is A minor. Quest for Fire is an E minor. Sun and Steel is an F# minor. And To Tame a Land goes through a whole bunch of key changes, but some parts are in E minor.

Mandatory Music: Okay. No.

Sebastian Kwapich: So, Iron Maiden is not afraid to experiment with different keys, whereas a lot of metal bands fit into a certain either E minor or D minor pocket and they just stay there…

Mandatory Music: Yes. Mhm.

Sebastian Kwapich: because and vocally it's comfortable. but Iron Maiden will go for it. They'll just write music in different keys.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: And it's not like they're tuning their guitar differently to still stay in the same pattern. they'll actually use different parts of the guitar to play in that specific key. So, yeah,…

Mandatory Music: And they're true artists.

Sebastian Kwapich: but they Yeah.

Mandatory Music: That's the beauty of and being as sort of I think musically versed and rich with education as they are. They know how to use the whole neck.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: And I'm not saying big metal bands or big bands aren't, but they, obviously metal band,…

Mandatory Music: like you say, they stick to Okay. I like the low.

Sebastian Kwapich: what they know…

Sebastian Kwapich: because they know how to write songs in that,…

Mandatory Music: Yes. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: they don't know how to explore outside of that,…

Mandatory Music: And Maybe they don't challenge themselves or…

Sebastian Kwapich: right? …

Mandatory Music: they don't want to challenge themselves.

Sebastian Kwapich: yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Look at Mega Dave. everything is, it's Mega Death and it is…

Sebastian Kwapich: He just wants it all to be really fast basically.

Mandatory Music: what it Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: So yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: And that's just not cool. and that's the beauty of Iron Maiden especially in the different eras of ide So the first two records you had the punk maiden then Bruce comes in you have the sort of theatrical medieval then he leaves and then you have weirdness which is 90s maiden and he comes back and the songs get longer and more this is going to sound bad but longer and…

Mandatory Music: more repetitive it's just this never ending loop of chorus bright no what so it's off of Brave New World. my god. Into the Silent Planet. it's over and over and over. He's saying Into the Silent Planet 8,000 times.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah,…

Mandatory Music: And I think they're over that now. And now they've moved on with Sjutsu to this new it kind of started with Book of Souls, but this kind of new Iron Maiden Virgin what 5.0 this evolution they're evolving every decade they invol they evolve, which that's what I know when I like a band. I like a band that will evolve and try something and…

Sebastian Kwapich: new things.

Mandatory Music: if it Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, we share that.

Mandatory Music: And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

Sebastian Kwapich: We share that.

Sebastian Kwapich: We have mentioned this on so many of our episodes that we really respect artists that go for it and…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Absolutely.

Sebastian Kwapich: try new things, because some people just want an AC/DC album every single time and other people want growth and experimentation just to try…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: because you never know what might work for you,…

Mandatory Music: You have no idea.

Sebastian Kwapich: So yeah,…

Mandatory Music: 

Mandatory Music: You have no idea what might work. So yeah, no, I'm totally on board with them. Even if the next record is whatever I …

Sebastian Kwapich: all acoustic.

Mandatory Music: that'd be cool. some of these songs like I was actually listening to, as a little side note, I was listening to Eric Clap and Unplugged with my daughter and she's like, "This is actually good." And I'm…

Sebastian Kwapich: Nice. I mean,…

Mandatory Music: "Yeah, I know. It's really good. He's right." I'm like,…

Sebastian Kwapich: you're listening to one of the greatest guitars arguably of all time,…

Mandatory Music: " these songs it was listen all the blue songs,…

Sebastian Kwapich: right?

Mandatory Music: but I'm thinking to myself,…

Mandatory Music: more bands need to do this. unplug needs to be a thing again. have a band like Iron Maiden come out is just…

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Sebastian Kwapich: There is bands that shouldn't go unplugged and…

Sebastian Kwapich: Mega Death comes to mind when they did their unplugged album. this is just awkward and weird sounding, but yeah.

Mandatory Music: because they just try and it's the same song just acoustic. I think these Okay.

Sebastian Kwapich: So, here's a good question for you then, Mike, because we're on Iron Maiden. What songs would you like, if just out of the top of your head, what could you see as an acoustic unplugged song for Iron Maiden? one or two songs.

Mandatory Music: My second favorite Iron Man song, Sign of the Cross would be amazing acoustic.

Sebastian Kwapich: That's a good song. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: You could do it in this sort of weird, not weird, this sort of real dark, broody kind of way and slow it right down. Not make it 12, it's 12 minutes long or whatever, but don't make it 12 minutes. Just give it, all the verses and have a solo and just shorten it.

Mandatory Music: But you could make that really good. another one that comes to mind, let's see. I think the evil that men do would be fun. I think that'd be really fun.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Hell on earth for sure.

Mandatory Music: You could do it it's already kind of poppy in the metal genre. it's a pop song. let's not kid ourselves here. it's Come on. but that those are two that I think would be so many would fit. What about you? what hell yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: has actually done an acoustic cover of the song with no voice.

Mandatory Music: Really?

Sebastian Kwapich: There's Yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: if you just Google Hell on Earth Acoustic, there's a cover by a guy named Thomas.

Mandatory Music: What was that?

Mandatory Music: Yes, I've seen that.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. …

Mandatory Music: My god, that dude is Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: this song screams to be acoustic as That's a good question. I asked a question and…

Mandatory Music: There's so many you …

Sebastian Kwapich: I don't even know the answer to that.

Mandatory Music: just first one that comes to mind is just fear that art could be good.

Sebastian Kwapich: Fear of the dark.

Mandatory Music: Absolutely. It would Yep.

Sebastian Kwapich: that's got a good melody line. Hall Be That Thy Name would be interesting because I think they turn what Metallica did with Fuel. they could totally turn that into a different style of song when it's just acoustic.

Mandatory Music: Yes. And that's…

Sebastian Kwapich: So yeah,…

Mandatory Music: what I like about artists, bands that do acoustic. It's just like, we're just not going to replay the song. we're going to put some pizzazz on it. We're going to surprise ourselves, surprise the crowd, and give a little That's why I saying if you could make Yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: change it a bit. Give it a completely different flavor,…

Mandatory Music: I keep want to call it Sign of the Southern Cross,…

Sebastian Kwapich: right? Slow it down.

Mandatory Music: but that's the wrong band. Sign of the Cross. Like you could I don't know.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Arguably the best song that Bla1 Bailey ever did for Iron Maiden in my mind,…

Mandatory Music: You just completely rearrange it. And honestly, yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: I think. And he actually does a really good job on that song.

Mandatory Music: But he does that. I know we've had our differences with I'm a big Blaze Bailey proponent.

Mandatory Music: I think Blaze is awesome, but he's not Iron M.

Sebastian Kwapich: I mean,…

Sebastian Kwapich: I like him, too, but his solo stuff is way out there.

Mandatory Music: He's He's not Iron Maiden.

Sebastian Kwapich: Some of it, no, he tries.

Mandatory Music: And he tries and I think that's part of it is his passion and I don't know. You're rooting For a guy that they didn't need to pick him as a singer and…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, he can sing though,…

Mandatory Music: 

Mandatory Music: they're like, "Yeah, let's do something different." And again, the dudes.

Sebastian Kwapich: He can keep up,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: right? …

Mandatory Music: And did he fit Iron Maiden? No. But I love the fact that they tried that he tried. And when Bruce was thinking of coming back, he's like, "You know what? There's like this is not my you guys need to bring him back, man, because this is not me." So,…

Sebastian Kwapich: I mean, but what are you going to do? Bruce decided to leave the band. you want to carry on?

Mandatory Music: Yep. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: You need a new singer.

Mandatory Music: 

Mandatory Music: They killed Bruce on stage.

Sebastian Kwapich: And …

Mandatory Music: They literally executed him on stage and then …

Sebastian Kwapich: they didn't literally, but yeah.

Mandatory Music: not literally, but they figuratively killed the singer on stage at his last show in 1990,…

Mandatory Music: whatever the hell it was, two or three. but yeah, dope. But we're all glad he came back. But yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, that so we went to Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Blaze is awesome. I don't know. I love that XFactor album. I think the production sucks, but I think it could have sounded a lot better, but whatever.

Sebastian Kwapich: And that's kind of like the whole question is like…

Sebastian Kwapich: what would have that album sounded with Bruce Dickinson doing all the vocals instead of Bla1 Bailey would it rank a lot higher in people's because traditionally those two albums the virtual 11 and X Factor are one of two of the lowest ranking albums for Iron Maiden.

Mandatory Music: lot different factor. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: And I feel like a lot of people ranked him down there not because of the quality of the songs…

Sebastian Kwapich: but the difference in the singer. you are put on this pedestal where you have to replace Bruce Dickinson for Iron Maiden.

Mandatory Music: Yeah. You can't.

Mandatory Music: You can't. Yep.

Sebastian Kwapich: I don't know if there's any singer that can replace Bruce Dickinson. Love or hate his vocal style he fits Iron Maiden perfectly. Right. so yeah, having him do those two albums, I wonder if it would level up or raise in people's albums rankings because when he does the songs live, they're incredible. they're really Really well written songs on both of those albums,…

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Mandatory Music: Yes. Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: right, dude.

Mandatory Music: Sign of the cross it's like an oldtimer. I know we Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: That was one of the best songs I've ever seen live when it was cuz they played at the Brave New World tour and…

Mandatory Music: 

Mandatory Music: Yeah. we've seen it a few times. We've had the for been fortunate enough to see it a few times and…

Sebastian Kwapich: yeah, that may be one of the best concerts I've ever been to is the return of Bruce for the Brave New World album.

Mandatory Music: that was awesome. Yep.

Sebastian Kwapich: That was something else, And I think that was the first time we've ever seen Iron Maiden,…

Mandatory Music: That was the first time.

Sebastian Kwapich: too. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: And you know what they say, Sam, you never forget your first.

Sebastian Kwapich: You never eat your first. You definitely don't. Yes. Yep.

Mandatory Music: But yeah, it was an amazing experience. So I think we've kind of touched a lot on hell on earth but I think moving forward listen to it.

Sebastian Kwapich: Listen to it, people. I promise you,…

Mandatory Music: And mine too.

Sebastian Kwapich: listen to the whole song. It is amazing. Even if you're not an Iron Maiden fan, this might make you into an Iron Maiden fan. This is one of my favorite Iron Maiden songs that they've ever done.

Mandatory Music: It's probably number one.

Sebastian Kwapich: It's incredible. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: It really is. And for a band to put out album number 7000 and…

Sebastian Kwapich: It's up there.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Be one of the best songs they've done.

Mandatory Music: have their final track be my favorite song it's pretty mindboggling.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Or it be like my wife saying, "I hate Bruce Dickinson. I can't stand I hate his voice." Okay.

Sebastian Kwapich: Deb doesn't feel it either. she's just like I don't know.

Mandatory Music: Yeah, it's Yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: Something about his voice. I can't get on board. And I'm like I get it.

Mandatory Music: it's it …

Sebastian Kwapich: I totally get it because I was like that with Alton Chains for 20 years.

Mandatory Music: It's really interesting.

Sebastian Kwapich: I did not like Lane Staley in the 90s. I'm like, I can't do Allison Chains. He's annoying His voice annoys me. But it grew on me. And today I'm like,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: It makes so much sense to me now why people would like his voice. But when in the moment in the 90s I'm like now Allison Chains can't do it.

Mandatory Music: Interesting.

Sebastian Kwapich: Concurrently, is that the right word?

Mandatory Music: We'll go.

Sebastian Kwapich: People are probably going to not agree or…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. We'll say yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: dislike me for saying this, but I have so fallen off of Eddie Veter's voice now. Back in the 90s, I'm like, " I sounds great." I get it.

Mandatory Music: That's it.

Sebastian Kwapich: I'm just like it.

Sebastian Kwapich: I like Yeah.

Mandatory Music: I think he's fallen casually.

Mandatory Music: He's starting to fall to age. I think he's like staying and…

Sebastian Kwapich: And that's fair,…

Mandatory Music: I heard,…

Sebastian Kwapich: right? …

Mandatory Music: you live hard, you pay for it later. I don't like Eddie's voice either.

Sebastian Kwapich: yeah. Dude,…

Mandatory Music: It's not for me anymore. It's not say he's bad. Not bad. it doesn't speak to me anymore.

Sebastian Kwapich: I really think their best two albums were the first two albums and then everything slowly started to get worse and…

Sebastian Kwapich: worse and worse as they did their albums. And maybe I'm wrong, but to me, I don't want to sound like that guy that was all those Metallica fans are like, " Metallica sucked after the fourth album." But I truly feel that way with Pearl Jam after the first two or…

Mandatory Music: First four only.

Sebastian Kwapich: three album.

Sebastian Kwapich: I'm like, I don't like anything they've done after the third album. Really? Maybe I need to give it another listen,…

Mandatory Music: Yeah. …

Sebastian Kwapich: but man.

Mandatory Music: I think there's pockets of good songs on those subsequent albums from no code…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, dude.

Mandatory Music: because if you say first three I think no code really have you listened to yield?

Sebastian Kwapich: Listen to No Code. I don't like a single song of the album. I listen to it this morning, and I don't like this album at all. No. Okay.

Mandatory Music: Okay, I think yield is the one after that. Yield isn't bad. Binaural is different. give binaural a spin because it's different.

Sebastian Kwapich: I like different.

Mandatory Music: It's a little different.

Sebastian Kwapich: I like different.

Mandatory Music: And I don't like anything past binaural after that the avocado whatever else they've released. I've listened to it all and their songs sound from a bygone era of this isn't grunge is dead and…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. We're just over proje at this point, I think.

Mandatory Music: 

Mandatory Music: you need to I don't know.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, there is us going off on a noniren tangent.

Mandatory Music: I don't want to get struck by lightning, but even Sound Garden's final album, whatever the hell it was called. I can't remember…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah, I don't Yeah,…

Mandatory Music: what it was called. I didn't like Down on the Upside very much after Super Unknown's one of the greatest n.

Sebastian Kwapich: That album bangs,…

Mandatory Music: It's, man,…

Sebastian Kwapich: It's so good.

Mandatory Music: from one to 15, it's iconic.

Sebastian Kwapich: It's so good. Yeah. Yeah.

Mandatory Music: Anyways, we're rambling. We should talk about the 90.

Sebastian Kwapich: Anyways, that's Hell on Earth.

Mandatory Music: That's but yes, go listen to Hell on Earth. even if you're a non-fan, you got 11 minutes,…

Sebastian Kwapich: Give it a try.

Mandatory Music: give it a try. Or if you don't like Yes.

Sebastian Kwapich: There's a things a lot of layers that you can go through lyrically, musically, sonically. they are masters of their craft of creating songs. So, there's tenderness,…

Mandatory Music: And if you don't like 11 minutes Yeah.

Sebastian Kwapich: there's heaviness. Yeah. Sorry.

Mandatory Music: And if you don't like 11 minute songs,…

Mandatory Music: fast forward around three minutes, still start singing and then skip the whole middle part and then go to the end and then just sing.

Sebastian Kwapich: if you want,…

Sebastian Kwapich: but you wreck the journey that way…

Mandatory Music: Just fast forward to the verse. But yeah,…

Sebastian Kwapich: because we're a big proponent of go for the journey of the song…

Mandatory Music: song's all about the journey.

Sebastian Kwapich: because it's a reason that's all there.

Mandatory Music: It and…

Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. Another long song.

Mandatory Music: that's the again, I'm listening to of the Seven Son right now. Journey, it's 9 minutes and 54 seconds apparently.

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Sebastian Kwapich: Yeah. That is a theme record,…

Mandatory Music: But again, songs, that whole record, Seven Sons is a journey it should be listened to from beginning to end and that's the way it's supposed to be listened to.

Sebastian Kwapich: too. It starts and…

Mandatory Music: It is absolutely. So it's supposed to be Yep.

Sebastian Kwapich: ends the same way.

Mandatory Music: And Moon Moonchild, he's just born and blah blah blah blah blah.

Sebastian Kwapich: Yep. my god.

Mandatory Music: He grows up and then he dies and Spoiler alert, he dies. I'm so sorry. That was only a long time ago. 35 years ago some bad.

Sebastian Kwapich: If you haven't listened by now, what are you doing?

Mandatory Music: Yes,…

Mandatory Music: so that is our first dive in Iron Maiden. I am happy. No, it is definitely not going to be our last.

Sebastian Kwapich: probably not our last,…

Sebastian Kwapich: but yeah,…

Mandatory Music: Because I love Iron Maiden and the is deep and I think it gets us talking better than doing other things. So yeah, there'll be more of that coming and…

Sebastian Kwapich: there you go.

Mandatory Music: 

Mandatory Music: that. So let us know and…

Sebastian Kwapich: Go listen to it. Let us know what you think. whether you agree with us, disagree with us, just let us know. Yeah. something.

Mandatory Music: we will be back next week with something excellent as always. All right,…

Sebastian Kwapich: All right, see you up.

Mandatory Music: see you.

Sebastian Kwapich: Okay, let's see if the Rams

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