Ghost: Satanized

A chilling new hymn has emerged from the depths—Ghost’s latest track, Satanized. This week on Mandatory Music, we dive deep into its haunting melodies, cryptic lyrics, and the eerie energy it conjures. How does it compare to their past works? What secrets lie within the song? We break it all down.

But first, a bit of unexpected chaos—a discussion on facial hair (because why not?), and Sebastian’s recommendation of the brutal Netflix film Sisu.

Join us for a thrilling ride through sound, story, and the unknown.

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Transcript

Welcome back to Mandatory Music. I am Sebastian here with my bud, Mike. How are you, Mike? Hi, I'm wonderful, sir. 

How are you this fine Monday evening? It's the last day of March. Just super duper, thank you very much. And yeah, April 1st starts tomorrow, so don't be fooled by anything. 

No, please don't. We promise we won't do an April Fool's Day, or maybe we will, who knows. But yeah, it's getting sunny here in Vancouver, so it's good. 

You know, everyone's running, Mike is running. I'm doing fantastic in terms of fitness, so everything's going great. We're both rocking beards, so that's a new development. 

Well, not really new if you've been following this channel over the last couple weeks. We've both been growing our beards out, and I think I like mine, so. I think I like yours too. 

I like yours better than mine, because mine is stupid. Well, the difference between Mike's and mine is mine looks like a five-day beard, and Mike looks like he's been living in the woods for three years. Yeah, I'm going. 

Maybe it's not that extreme. I haven't trimmed it since the beginning of February, so. Don't do it. 

Don't trim it. No, I, today. Unleash the beast.

It's just, today's just one of those days where a lot of things are just annoying me, and my facial hair is probably the chief among them that are kind of. Oh, so are you, are you toying with the idea of like shaving it all off? No, like my son said, he's like, dad, if you shave it off tonight, you'll be so mad at yourself. What you could do is you could do like a nice trim, and then that would kind of. 

Then I won't be a Bushman. I'm not going to be the Bushman. Yeah, that's true. 

Yeah, it depends. So what I'm doing is I'm, I, I'm growing my beard. It was for, for my race in July, so if I didn't, from February till July 12th, which is my race, I'm not shaving my face. 

Keep, keep, keep with that narrative. And. Yeah, the plan, I guess.

I fully plan on being, yeah, that crazy Bushman. I hope I can do it, because there's a lot of it's a lot of me tugging on my cheeks and just my hands kind of gross. My hands are always on my face now, and it's just, it's a lot. 

I keep the hair off my lip for the most part. I trimmed that a bit because it was growing. I hate, I hate that. 

I hate that lip, the mustache lip, lip hair, where it just jabs you the whole day. It was kind of starting to go into my mouth and I'm like, you know what, this is disgusting. Yeah, I don't like that either. 

I don't really want my lunch on my upper lip three hours later or parts of it. I mean, there's hot sauce there. Yeah. 

Right. It's like, oh, no thanks. And, uh. 

Speaking of bearded men, I watched an interesting movie last night, actually. It's called Sisu. Sisu? What's that about? It's on Netflix. 

It just came out on the, well, I mean, it was two years old, the movie, but it's a Finnish movie. And Sisu is a Finnish word, which is hard to describe, but it basically means, like, grit and determination in, like, you know, in a never give up attitude in, like, harsh conditions where you just keep rising. So, like, a good example would be Rocky Balboa. 

Absolutely. Never giving up, always standing up and always continuing the fight. So, but the main character doesn't speak until the end of the movie. 

It's very, like, John Wick meets Mad Maxie, so. Oh, cool. Sisu, look that up. 

Yeah, so the concept of the movie is the main character is, like, an old Finnish war vet, and he's now, like, a miner for gold. And he finds a vein when he's panhandling, so he has all this gold. And this is set during World War II, or just around World War II. 

And so he finds this gold, and a bunch of Nazi tanks come in and steal the gold from him and basically try to, like, kill him and torture him. And he just takes them out one by one. It's very done by the producers of John Wick, I believe. 

Right. So it's a very good revenge movie. It's interesting.

It's nice because it's a movie that's not a Hollywood movie. So it's interesting to watch, like, an international, like, made movie in that regard. So, yeah, fresh in my mind. 

So, and you look like the guy from. You know, it's funny that you say that, because I'm looking at the same beard. We have the same. 

He has more hair than I do, but I look like I'm 900. This guy looks old because of the beard. And I look old because my beard is not. 

He does not look old. So no, it's it's it's me. It's like there's not a lot of words. 

And there's some of the cinematography is like pretty cool. Like there's this one. Yeah, there's like one scene where he goes underwater to hide and he's just like he's like has a weight in his hands. 

He doesn't float up. And there's like this slow motion shot of him, like illuminated under the water. And there's like a cone of or a sphere of bubbles around him. 

And they're just like moving in slow motion. I'm like, that is a great freaking shot. So I mean, it's fine. 

It's a good movie. It's different. It's not a Hollywood movie. 

So that's why I liked it. It was like, is there like, is there much dialogue in it or is it just mostly him? Well, the Nazis talk all the time, but he doesn't say anything until the very end of the movie. Like his first line, I believe, is like. 

Five minutes before the movie ends. Nice. So he just he's just out there revenge on aliving the Nazis that basically tried to kill him and steal his gold. 

So yeah, so it was interesting. But yeah, talking about bad people and stuff. What are we doing this week? Well, we are we are going to get that. 

Yeah. Well, no, but we, you know, figures in our sort of mythology and religion legend. And we're going to talk about getting satanized, satanized the new single by Ghost for a few weeks late. 

But we didn't want to. We don't want to change what we had planned, so we were doing it now. Mike is trying a new thing where he's not going to change his mind 16 times in one day. 

He's just going to stick with the plan. Now, whatever it is, we're doing it. Is your anxiety through the roof because you have to stick to the plan? It was, I think when we decided, I think it was like whenever the song came out, I'm like, oh, we need to change course and and do this first. 

Well, we just stayed the plan for the four songs that we had set out that we're going to do. So but I don't know what we're doing next week, but I want to stay the course. I don't want to be flippy floppy. 

I just want to. It's a good it's good because you can spend a couple of days to write a second song. Yeah, you can think about it for for a good time. 

It's like, hey, oh, by the way, tomorrow, we're not doing that. We're doing this. Oh, thanks, pal. 

And yes. Um, OK, first of all, so for those that don't know, Ghost is a theatrical band is the best way to put it. Oh, yeah. 

They are a band that does a lot of theatrical stage presence. They're an occult inspired. Band with a lot of, you know, twisting of Catholicism, basically, so the members of the band are all called Nameless Ghouls, so that's where they get like the ghost name from. 

And his his persona is Papa Emeritus. Yes. For the most part, number five. 

Now this is the fifth incarnation. So every time they release an album, he changes the look of Papa Emeritus. So there's so the whole the whole shtick is the the old one dies and a new one rises from the ashes, I believe. 

So they're fascinating because they sing a lot about the occult and about the twisting of Catholicism and Christianity, but they don't do it in this dark black metal way. They do it in almost like a disco pop. Yes. 

Slash hard rock way. And so a lot of their songs are uber catchy, like uber like it's very catchy. Yeah. 

Yeah. It's yeah, it's it's it's a fascinating. Juxtaposition, I can never say that word, I will never be able to say that. 

Yes, it really is, because like you say, it's like, you know, or even that band, there's so many other bands out there that that'll pummel you over the head with direct anger and aggression. Yeah. And it's just like, OK, Satan, Satan, Satan, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 

And ghosts do that. But like you said, it's like they do it in a pop disco pop hard rock way. Yeah. 

Sure. Are they influenced by all of our metal heroes? Of course they are. Like 80s metal is like, that's what this is. 

But it's done in like, yeah, it's a thrown in, thrown in the. That sort of the light hardness and sure, there's a lot of stuff that's in minor, it's in minor keys and this and that and they don't, but they go so much into major keys, kind of like this song. Yeah. 

It's got that diminished seventh drop where it goes into the you know, where it gives you that evokes that very haunting melody line by dropping like a half step thing of back the root note. A lot of times Iron Maiden thing to do. Yeah. 

Yeah. So it definitely has these haunting devils, so to speak, vibes to it. But then the chorus is like very poppy and fun and light. 

Yeah, the chorus goes into major chords and you're like, OK, this just turns tappy all of a sudden. And I'm having. Yeah. 

So when I first heard the song, I was kind of like, it doesn't sound like Call Me Little Sunshine. But it. It sounds different than last round.

Did it grow on you? It did, because at first I was like, oh, I don't know, I guess sounds like early ghost. And I'm not a huge fan of earlier ghost. I like I like Imperial where it's super polished and it's even more catchier than everything they've ever done.

And this yeah, it's like, ah, it's like it's not what's the video. And then I'm like, really? I'm like, OK. And I mean, it's for me, it's a fine song. 

Like it's a it's a it's their single off of their new album that's coming out. You know, it's it's it's it's got all the recipe of what ghost would put into a song. Yes, I just think they nailed it way better on about five to ten other song, you know, like is this better than Mariana Cross? Is this better than Square Hammer? Is this better than Dance Macabre? Is this better than Call Me Little Sunshine? Is this better than Cirque? No, those are all better songs in my mind. 

Like I like I enjoy those so much better. Yeah. For a plethora of reasons. 

Right. So I'm not going to say that they missed the mark. I just don't. 

I'm just I wasn't wowed. No. So so so I forced myself to listen to it more. 

A bunch of times. Yeah. It's times it's on my it's on my running play. 

That's what it would come on. And I actually quite enjoy when I'm running and it comes on. It's it's quite good because I thought of. 

So the whole premise, you know, you're being satanized. So you're sort of being. Yeah, you're you're being hypnotized in a sense, right? Like you're being you just sort of you're being converted and you're you're sort of forcibly being converted and into this. 

And then I was listening to the song and then the drums were like the guy with the watch. You're getting sleepy and you just think of the drum. They're so repetitive and they're just they just sort of drone and they and they seem to just they're hypnotizing. 

They're hypnotizing. The drum beats very hypnotizing. I'm like, oh, maybe this is like a that's sort of what they're trying to do with the because the video, too, is the guys he goes into the confession thing and he's talking about the stuff and I watch the video like about 45 or about an hour ago. 

So yeah. So there's time. Yeah. 

So in the video, they the guys are writing stuff down and he circles. I believe it's Corinthians 619. OK, and I thought I'd have to look that up and I know nothing. 

I've never read the Bible. I'm not a religious person. So Corinthians 16. 

Is do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own. So it's kind of like the whole theme of the song is you're just a vessel. And yeah, you're being possessed by Satan or you're possessed by a demon or he just wear it inside of you. 

Yeah. From the Holy Spirit to being from this, twisting it to his to their, like you say, stick. Yeah. 

Yeah. So for those that don't know about ghosts, compare goes to like Alice Cooper or Marilyn Manson, their theme band. That's a really good. 

Cooper is probably the best one. I don't think. Yeah, because I think Slipknot and Manson kind of buy into it a little more.

Yeah, to their personas. But I think you're right. Yes. 

But Alice Cooper is perfect. And his voice kind of sounds like the songs. He puts on Alice Cooper like, yeah, he's a stage performer. 

He he fits that role. He's like, all right, let's get into the darkness and go, you know. Yeah, you're right. 

Like Slipknot kind of like lives and breathes. They do even outside of the stage performance. They're still kind of like that. 

Yeah, Marilyn Manson is still kind of like that. He's Marilyn Manson, right? Yeah. But so I had and I I put on a bunch of times a little while ago just to really get my head into it, and I wrote some notes down. 

But then I'm like, this sounds the song sounds to me like a culmination of everything they've ever done, like it's almost like a greatest hit package in one song of what goes is always done. Yeah. So then I Googled that. 

And of course, someone picked up on that as well. And he and they found I found this. Yeah, I found this.

Whereas it's on Reddit and it's does doesn't matter who. But the song comes on and it sort of came from zero seconds to 19 seconds. It sounds like in Phantazza and Fantazza, whatever that album I can. 

Oh, they actually broke down the comparison of every single to what album this sounds like. So loud and high pitched guitar and synth lead on top of simple baseline foreboding and ominous soundscape. That's off of their 2013 record. 

But of course, that's so many of their songs that can do that. Yeah. And then it's it just it moves on from there. 

Then it's got Meliora simple and distorted baseline driving the verse accompanied by hard hitting and heavy drum line, minor chords emphasized for a dark feeling, simple power chords. And it just it goes on on the whole song. And there's a pair of stuff. 

And it's really neat. Like it's like I'm kind of glad I'm not the only one in prequel does major the major key. So a lot like because prequels got Square Hammer, right? If I'm not sure, I think it does. 

That's a great song, by the way. I know. It's like one of my favorite ghost songs, Square Hammer. 

And then then they go on to appear with the exaggerated drum fills and the arena hook with repeated lines and catchy sing along friendly lines. Oh, that's yeah, that's something I forgot that I needed to mention that I wanted to mention at the beginning of this podcast is they are very arena rock based, like a lot of their songs are meant to be played in an arena, like in like a worship scenario, almost like we're projecting like arena rock is a good way of summarizing. Yeah, what goes there? So. 

Yeah. And then after the first chorus, it goes into like this sort of distorted Latin voices, like not like Spanish, Latin, but like old like old Latin. And that was on Opus Eponymous from 2010. 

And it just says Latin and distorted voice backed by simple and very heavy riff to reset the energy before the next verse, which. Yeah. So and I don't see a problem with any band sort of not because they're not stealing from themselves. 

They're. They're just sort of using a formula that they know that works and it works for them. You could say that about Metallica in so many songs.

Any other sounds like this and this. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So and I'm not going to going to crap on it because I think it's really cool to sort of because when I first heard it, I'm like, like I said earlier, I'm like, this sounds familiar to me. 

And but in a good way, it's like, oh, this isn't like sort of something that's like way off and out there is like, like, what the hell? Actually, at first I was like, really? It's I don't know, maybe it's the high pitch voice. I think that might be it. That really sort of very merciful fading. 

I know we just talked about that last week, but it did. And it's yeah, he does have a higher register than like a normal guitarist. So I read something I was I was doing some research this morning, actually. 

And so this is from the Wiki page. So take this with a grain of salt. Oh, it's true. 

What could be? But Tobias Forge is the lead singer of the band, and that was revealed many years ago when he was being sued by plagiarism for other people. I'm to come out and, you know, defend himself or whatever. Obviously, if you will take the mask off. 

Yeah. But he wasn't supposed to be the original singer. He he was a guitarist. 

He's a guitarist. So he wrote a lot of the early guitar riffs and probably still does to this point. Oh, yeah. 

But he he asked a bunch of people from various bands and friends that he knew, and none of them wanted to sing for him. So he's like, oh, I guess I'll just sing then. So seems to be according to the Wikipedia page. 

So take that with a grain of salt might not be factually true, but generally it's in the right direction. Like the Wikipedia page has some truth to it, whether it might not be one hundred percent bang on. Right. 

Yeah. I just found that fascinating where where he's like, well, nobody wants to sing with me, so I guess I'll just do it. And then they he had an idea for a song. 

The first song, I think, was called what was it called? Something self of him or something. I can't remember those. But anyways, that's the first song he wrote. 

And they wrote three songs as the initial three songs. And then they're like, we can't like this is so different than like we don't look the part to play these songs. Yeah.

Right. So that's when they decided to do this whole theatrical shtick, because these songs are haunting and dark and demonic, like, you know, just guys in black T-shirts and jeans. So he had like an epiphany back in the early 2000s or mid 2000s. 

Like, why don't we make this a stage band like Gwar, for example, like is a perfect analogy. You know, they're over the top and Ghost in a Way is also over the top with. Yeah. 

Their antics on stage, not in a not in like an Ozzy Osbourne way, no, but in a very good way, like putting on a really good show. And I would go see Ghost for sure. I'd go see I'd go see Ghost. 

I'd be more excited to see Ghost than we are to go see Korn and Gojira. I want to see Gojira actually. I want to see Gojira in a venue, not at BC Place with opening for Metallica, where it was overly loud and you couldn't really pick up a lot of their things. 

So but yeah. Yeah. Anyways, so the guitar solo starts. 

Yes. So I wrote down I wrote down something I thought was kind of funny. So let me pull it up here because bend it like Beckham. 

No, I didn't write that was the beginning of the solo, a nod to Slayer with the gigantic band. Yeah, they do that, don't they? Of course, this of course, this band was in Slayer is usually are all over the place. It doesn't matter. 

But it was right. And then it's it's just it's a classic sort of 80s metal solo, which I think is fabulous. And it fits the riff that's underneath it very well. 

And it just it's it's pleasing. It's pleasing to my ears. And then it goes in the Iron Maiden sort of harmonies. 

Yeah. And it's just like, oh, man, these guys really know how to just to dial it in. And they really like this part of the song that I'm not a huge fan of. 

But when it gets to the solo and and the harmony stuff, it's like, man, it's just awesome. You know, I'm a sucker for harmonies, man. Sucker for harmonies, guys.

Yeah, just nail it every time. Like I said, I'm not the hugest ghost fan. I just I'm just not.

I just like you say Square Hammer is a great song. I kind of this man is just like, whatever. Give it a chance. 

It's good. I'll have to maybe I'll have to dig into some older. My issue with Ghost is I like certain songs of them. 

But like if I listen to an entire album, they'll be like most of the songs. I'm just like, I don't like them. Yeah. 

But then they'll they'll have these. Super good song, and maybe it's the production quality because they really get that. Depth in the sound production, in the recordings, like it's very well produced.

Yeah, they have so many great layers for all the instruments and it all works so well on the production side of it. Right. So that just means that they have money basically. 

But yeah, going back to like the first three songs that he released, he he he released them on MySpace. That's how far back we're going. Oh, wow. 

And within a day, he was contacted by several music companies wanting to sign him. Wow. So they were like an instant like we see something in this yeah. 

So that's crazy. Yeah. MySpace. 

I haven't I haven't heard that. MySpace. Did you have a MySpace, Mike? I did not. 

I did. I know. I'm not I'm not surprised. 

Is that is MySpace even around anymore? I don't even know. I don't even I I bet you it is in a certain and probably in a way. But while you look at MySpace, who uses it at this point, right? I would think nobody. 

Oh, on other news, Napster got sold again. Napster's still a thing. Yeah. 

And it got sold to whomever again. And I saw a caption on the Internet saying, yep, Napster was sold again. And I just want to say thank you. 

Lars was right. He was. He really was. 

He he saw it before anybody else did. How bad sort of illegal streaming and all that stuff is. And while they were at the time when Napster came out, Metallica was one of the biggest bands in the world at the time. 

They're in the height of their popularity. And that was the biggest problem was the rich guys are going to get pissy over, you know, 10,000 people stealing a song or two. It's like, come on, man.

But that's not where. Yeah, we're not. We can get into Napster episodes way down the road.

We can do that later. The song is an E-Standard. Yes, which is a welcome for what we've been doing recently. 

I was just going to say the last probably like five or six. We've done everything's been in sort of super low. And this is it's refreshing to have something that's in E-Standard tuning. 

And because you don't it's not really a thing with sort of younger mainstream bands, because everybody likes to tune it down, get that extra sort of get the growl out of your guitar. Songs in E-Minor. Except for the chorus, it jumps up to major, but that's that's fine. 

I'm not sure. I think it might be G, but I'm not 100 percent sure. And then we talked the Corinthians thing and the drum beat is to me was very hypnotizing. 

I was like, oh, interesting. That's that's that was just an interesting little thing because sort of like Cerise that that's the one song that really got me into Ghost. And. 

I was that song hypnotizing in its own right. Yeah. Like it's this it's because it's droney and it's just like it's lulling you into a false sense of security and then boom out comes the devil. 

And this is kind of different. It's like you're intentionally to me being hypnotized. But yeah. 

When does the album come out? It's got to be sometime. Oh, June, right? In a month. Oh, nice. 

I'm looking forward to it because I can listen to all the way through. Like I like every single song. Well, for the most part, every single song.

Yeah, it comes out in a month, I believe this song is very easy to play, though. If you look at the tab for it, like the main the main. The main part when he's singing, like the first part is like so easy to play. 

Yeah, there's nothing complicated. It's basically single notes and then a couple of power chords and that's it. That's it. 

But that's the beauty of like what we've been doing lately is simplicity. Like it works like it's like with or humongous song, man. It's the song. 

It's just is it our favorite song in the world? No, no. Is it our favorite ghost song? Not really. But it's still a good song. 

I mean, I can see why they would put this out as like the lead single for the new album, because it's it's to the point. It's short, not overly complicated. It fits. 

It's it's like a taste of ghost in its totalitarianism, basically. So this would be a good song to introduce new fans to. It's like, hey, put this in the radio and hey, what's this? And then you dig back at all kind of sounds like there's similarities in every piece of the song. 

I mean, I would probably I would probably urge people to listen to Mariana Cross or or call me a little sunshine in those. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I think what do you what would you give us out of 10 if you were to have to honestly strain the depths of the top of being in something out of 10? Probably a six. 

OK, yeah, I think I give a six and a half, seven. Like, again, the song, the song hasn't blown me out of the water. Like when I heard it the first time, I was like, yeah, it's it's ghost. 

This is clearly a ghost song. Yeah. You know, it's not like when I heard call me a little sunshine for the first time. 

I was like, what is this? Oh, it blew my mind. Like this is like this song is amazing. Yeah. 

Right. And I didn't have that reaction with Satan eyes. No, but that's OK, because some songs really grow on you and go, OK, I get it now.

I think this might be one of them. This will be one. It could be. 

It could be. Yeah. It's still pretty fresh. 

Yeah, but it could have some long legs to it. It's been a long time. Have you seen long legs yet? No, I haven't. 

Oh, dude, you got to watch. I should. I should. 

It's so good. I watched it with the wife and she's not a big horror person, but she's like recently or. Yeah, we watched it the last couple of months. 

It was it was creepy as hell, man. It was awesome. And Nick Cage is he's he's he's exactly what you think he's going to be in it. 

He's exactly he's exactly what you need him to be. He's awesome. Awesome. 

He's not in it enough. That's that was my big thing. He's just not in it. 

And yeah, he's only like in it at the end, apparently. Right. Yeah, there's a couple of scenes here. 

Yeah, just some splashes. Maybe that's the effect. The splash is here and there.

But it yeah, watch long legs. That's good. Speaking of occult, right, it's into the conversation here. 

Yeah. Yeah, that's I don't know what we're doing next week because I have an idea, but OK, we'll do that. We won't say it on air. 

So you can tell me in about 30 seconds. Yeah. But yeah, no, we yeah, we've we've we've enjoyed. 

People have seemed to like the Volbeat song. You know, we're getting, you know. He's that song's grown on me.

So yeah, the other way around. I don't like that song now. I'm a running playlist and I skip it every time it comes on now.

Which is most of 72 seasons at this point, which I don't there's none of that like there's a on my current my current playlist is pretty short. There's only like 20, 25 songs on and I have two Metallica songs on it. Alan back and fixer. 

And that's it. OK, just because I wanted something different and they're kind of like that mid tempo stuff is what I like to run to. Like I used to run. 

Well, Mike, what I was doing, I'm running. Um, I used to listen a lot of Pink Floyd in Iran. I make sense because I could see in that zone. 

Yeah, I can. I can just I can lose myself easily to that. So when there's loud, rowdy music, I just I can't I can't get into my head.

So I'm going to change my playlist tonight. Yeah. And then he'll change again in the morning. 

And then when he goes to his evening run, he'll change it again. Well, I might make several. I should make morning run, evening run, afternoon run playlist. 

That's actually a great idea. It is like if I'm going to mind space early morning, afternoon, evening, like, you know, there's also like my threshold runs. I should have rowdy music on because I have to run fast for a long time. 

I'm like, I know what I'm doing after we're done with this. So probably just to close off the name of the album is Skeletor. Or Skeletor, Skeletor, Skeletor. 

Sure. I don't know. That's tomato. 

Tomato. Yes. That's what I'm thinking. 

Yeah. 24 days. It's the release release on April 25th. 

Oh, nice. I'm looking for that. So yeah, I go visit my mother. 

I can have it on the car and drive my daughter crazy. You go. Yes. 

Yes. Yeah. Say nice from your theatrical band called Ghosts. 

Yeah. And watch the video. It's they're not really in. 

I don't think they're in the video. It's up until the end. But Ghosts are sort of known for not really being in their videos. 

So I think it's kind of cool. Yeah, that's true. Oh, yeah, that's that. 

That's that's it. That's mandatory music for March, April, April, March. Oh, my God. 

It's almost April. It's March 31st. Yes, it's March 31st. 

It'll be April four hours. It's basically eight o'clock. Man, yeah, I was I was I was a lot. 

I couldn't make it on the struggle bus right now. Yeah, I'm driving the struggle bus. It's been one of those. 

It's been one of those days. I just, you know, wake up, you kind of wake up kind of grumpy and you're just like, oh, I had last week off work and then I had to go back to work today and I was like, I didn't want to go. Mike doesn't know what it's like to be in the work environment. 

But yeah, I just yeah, it's just weird. I just usually I'm OK. I'm good to get up and go and I'm happy to go. 

But today, not so much. So, yeah, anyways, that's that is mandatory music for again, March 31st.