Prison, Prairie, Poetry: Wheat Kings by The Hip

In this episode, the hosts celebrate Canada Day by discussing the Tragically Hip's song 'Wheat Kings,' which tells the story of David Milgaard, a man wrongfully convicted of murder. They explore the song's themes of injustice and the poetic nature of Gord Downie's lyrics, emphasizing the band's impact on Canadian culture. The conversation then shifts to the anticipation of Black Sabbath's final concert, reflecting on the significance of the event and the evolution of music and film over the years. The hosts also touch on the Terrifier horror movie series, highlighting its cultural impact and the nature of horror films today.

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Transcript

Sebastian (00:02.298)
Welcome to back to mandatory music for this week and happy Canada Day tomorrow For all of you Canadians that are listening to us all you Americans. They're like, what's Canada Day? It's our Independence Day basically and it's a July 1st yours is in four days I guess July 4th is yours ours is July 1st. So we thought that we would do something fun and Canadian because it's Canada Day tomorrow. So we're gonna do a song by Canada's band

Michael (00:08.493)
Yay Canada!

Michael (00:15.202)
Basically.

Michael (00:31.502)
Canada's Absolutely. We are doing Wheat Kings off the 1992 release, fully completely. It's a, it's a, it's a deep cut. very happy song. but fully completely. Yes. And that's, and that's one thing about the Tragically Hip is their lyrics are deeply rooted in good history, the bad history, Canadiana. And just this song is, you know,

Sebastian (00:32.303)
They're tragically hip. And what song are we doing, Yeah.

Sebastian (00:39.363)
Yep, the really happy song.

It is littered with Canadian references. That's why we're focusing on it.

Sebastian (00:55.045)
Canadian. Well, this song definitely has a bad history connotation to it.

Michael (01:01.898)
Absolutely. It's not a positive song, but it's one hell of a story. So we thought we would just sort of break it down a bit. It's a slow acoustic song. It's beautiful. But it's also the lyrics are just haunting. It's a heavy subject, right? So yeah.

Sebastian (01:10.831)
Yes.

Sebastian (01:16.907)
heavy. There's a lot of, It's funny, like reading through the lyrics, how Canadian it is, like it references the Paris of the prairies, it represents wheat kings, which are the wheat farmers of like the early 1900s and, you know, all through that era where growing wheat was king, I guess, is the whole reference there.

Michael (01:39.886)
Well, actually, okay, so I'm gonna dive into the lyrics here a little bit, because this really has a little bit to it. Let's do it.

Sebastian (01:44.771)
Let's go. Well, this song is so, so okay. Just before you start, Kings isn't a song where you, or isn't a song you go in thinking like here's an awesome solo and some great riffs and some crazy drumming. It's all about the lyrics. There's so much stuff in the lyrics. It's, and it's a bit of a departure from what we normally do because we're definitely focused more on the musical and feel of stuff. We don't really, it's all about the words. Go ahead, Mike.

Michael (01:50.787)
Yes.

Michael (01:57.26)
Nope. It's acoustic, Mm-hmm. Yes.

Michael (02:08.652)
Yeah, but this song's all about the words. Yeah. Okay. So we Kings by the tragically hip is a song that uses the story of David Milgaard. He's a man wrongly convicted of murder and the song explores themes of injustice, faith, and the fallibility of the legal system. So who's David Milgaard? David Milgaard was a man or is a man. I'm not sure if he's dead, but he spent 23 years in jail, wrongly convicted of rape and murder in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan of a nurse.

Sebastian (02:35.481)
Yes. He's and he is a Winnipeg born person. So, yeah.

Michael (02:39.682)
Yeah. So yeah, yeah, poor David Milgaard. just, even we can just sit on the.

Sebastian (02:46.671)
This, I think this happened in like the early 1900s, I'm pretty sure. So, or maybe it wasn't, I don't know. I'm reading the wrong thing of the article. Sorry, keep going.

Michael (02:54.708)
I think it was sort of in our lifetime.

Yeah. and we Kings is actually, is, is a metaphor of the term weak kings referred to Canadian we farmers in the context of the song. It also symbolizes the strength and resilience of the people and community affected by milk guards case. So it's like this. It's yeah. Gort Downey was so good at.

Sebastian (03:17.145)
When we say that Gordani is a poet, he is a poet. He's literally a poet. Yeah, that's a very good, very good reference.

Michael (03:20.652)
literally a poet. He's like the Bob Dylan of Canada. Really, right? so yeah, so it also invokes a sense of the vastness of the Canadian prairies and the hardships faced by those who living there. So like in the States, they have, you know, there is prairie States, but you know, our prairies like Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, it's all farming. It's all, you know, it's hard living. It's farming cattle, it's farming wheat, it's farming all sorts of stuff. Hard life, hard living.

Sebastian (03:46.137)
Yeah. That Prairie Prairie life. Yeah.

Michael (03:49.902)
because you and I definitely have no idea what Prairie Life is.

Sebastian (03:54.779)
So David Milgard passed away on May 14th, 2022 at the age of 69. Yeah. So he was, when was he released from jail? He said he spent 20 some odd years. Yeah. 23 in prison for 23 years. He was eventually released, but like, yeah. So, but he's from Winnipeg.

Michael (03:59.306)
Okay. he was young.

Michael (04:09.454)
23 years, wrongly convicted.

Yeah.

Sebastian (04:24.513)
The murder happened in Saskatchewan, if I'm not mistaken, but he was living in Alberta near the end of his life. So he was all through the prairies.

Michael (04:32.11)
So he was convicted when he was 16. Yeah, he was convicted when he was 16, so 23 years he would have been, what, 39? When he got out, that's a lot of time.

Sebastian (04:42.459)
23 years. Yes. Yeah.

17 year old's commision murder since life in prison on 1970, exactly a year after Miller's murder.

Michael (04:56.438)
And you would think like with a song that's about honestly kind of rape and murder would not be an acoustic, beautiful song with. No, it's not.

Sebastian (05:02.991)
Well, it's not about that though. It's like, that's the element of like, that's where David Milgaard story starts, but the song is about his wrongful imprisonment. Right. So

Sebastian (05:19.043)
So in 1997, a DNA laboratory in the United Kingdom released a report confirming that the semen samples in the victim's clothing did not originate from Milgard, effectively exonerating Milgard of the crime. On May 17th, 1999, the governments of Canada and Saskatchewan announced that a settlement has been reached with Milgard and that he would be paid 10 million.

dollars in compensation for pain and suffering lost wages and legal fields so But like I mean you're in jail for 23 years. That's like a quarter of your life gone and in the prime of your life, too so it's your best years of your life where you figure out who you are and you Find your walk of life and your passions and you explore and you raise families and all that kind of stuff is completely erased From existence for me like it's it's pretty

Michael (05:48.814)
I was gonna say it's the prime of your life,

Sebastian (06:06.843)
pretty sad really, but what can you do?

Michael (06:10.796)
Yeah. So the beginning of the song, it kind of starts with the most Canadian thing of Canada is the sounds of loons on the lake because that's Canada. Our dollar coin is the loony, right? So we have the bird on a coin and it's just, it's just like,

Sebastian (06:22.169)
The loony.

Hey Americans, when are you guys gonna get to coins for dollars? You guys still use paper? Actually, I don't even know if that's accurate. I haven't been in the States in like seven, eight years, but.

Michael (06:29.228)
Yeah, we need coins for dollars.

Michael (06:36.67)
I'm pretty sure they still use, don't think they have any coins higher than 25 cents, but we're just a couple of ignorant Canadians that have no idea. That is also true. So again, like I said before, it's all acoustic. There's no drums. There's two guitars and I wish I had my guitar tuned because I could just play it, but I don't. So I'm not going to embarrass myself by, by playing my guitar, which I have barely touched in.

Sebastian (06:42.937)
That is also true.

Sebastian (07:03.721)
stop, you'll be fine.

Michael (07:05.376)
I'm not doing it, but simple chords, GC, GC. That's basically the intro, just back and forth. Yeah.

Sebastian (07:10.817)
It just goes back and forth through the whole song and they just layer on other tones, but it basically keeps the same pattern. It's kind of like a wave sway back and forth.

Michael (07:18.125)
and

Michael (07:21.66)
Yeah, it's almost like a campfire song.

Sebastian (07:25.721)
Yeah, I was just gonna say that. Regardless of the seriousness of the topic of what they're talking about, if you knew nothing about the lyrics or didn't understand the lyrics and just listened to the song for the tone and vibe, you would be at a campfire at like two in the morning on a Saturday when you're unwinding and like you and the last four people to be awake are still there and you're just like, this is a song you put on, you know, in the prairies, you know, when you're fighting the skeeters.

Michael (07:44.15)
and you're hammered.

Michael (07:52.598)
Yeah. So, like for all you out there, the hip's music is, it's not like both guitar players are just playing the chords. Like one's playing Paul Langois is playing the chords and Bobby, the lead guy, he's playing just beautiful, just sort of just color. He's just adding so much color to the song that it just, it's just this perfect meld of two guitar players that are just completely

Sebastian (08:02.157)
No.

Sebastian (08:07.077)
playing the lead.

Sebastian (08:18.02)
Yeah.

Michael (08:20.344)
Like I don't want to compare the music to Coldplay, but it's Coldplay's old Coldplay. Like it was the same idea, right? Not anymore. They don't use drums either. They don't, they just, you know, talk to, talk to Microsoft co-pilot and say, make us a dance song. And then that's what comes up for Coldplay. That's how I feel. I used to love Coldplay anyways. Well, we, we did do moon music and it was not good, but anyways, but really this song is.

Sebastian (08:25.273)
Wait, Coldplay doesn't use guitars though.

Sebastian (08:30.351)
They use something and...

Sebastian (08:36.613)
Don't get me started on Coldplay, This will turn into a Coldplay podcast where I'll just rip on Coldplay for the entire 30 minutes. We did. No, was not.

Michael (08:49.326)
super, it's super simple and there's not really a ton.

Besides.

Sebastian (08:55.791)
No, it's not. not. It's pretty much the same pattern, same speed. It's very moody in a way of like it's trying to evoke a certain image. It's

Michael (09:08.238)
It's in the key of G. It's just...

Sebastian (09:11.653)
funny, like, this is a good representation of like, how Gord Downie presents his vocal ability, right? Because he's he's you're right when you say he's like the Canadian Bob Dylan, he sings a lot the same way.

Michael (09:25.323)
layers.

Michael (09:28.974)
But a better singing voice, offense to Bob Dylan fans or Bob Dylan. No, he's just, he was so unique and just so uniquely Canadian. Like there's other, and there's lots of Canadian bands out there. We got Rush, Rush is Rush, Nickelback, Three of a Dead Man, they're all Canadian bands that have had great success.

Sebastian (09:32.217)
I don't think anyone would argue against that.

But yeah.

Sebastian (09:42.639)
But that's...

Sebastian (09:49.829)
Tea party, Nickelback tea party.

Sebastian (09:57.359)
Yeah.

Michael (09:57.518)
Outside of this country, but the hip just never big sugar. Well, I don't think they have a very big in the States either, but, um, they're actually coming playing some peaks a couple of weeks.

Sebastian (09:59.951)
Big sugar.

Sebastian (10:03.832)
No.

Sebastian (10:07.771)
But I mean, I guess the reason that we decided to do Weed Kings as a song from the Tratchley hip is because the hip has always had a thumbprint on the pulse of what it is to be Canada. And a lot of their songs have dealt with Canadian stuff, whether it's positive or negative. And so in a lot of music, you bring to light issues.

Michael (10:22.136)
Yes.

Sebastian (10:35.855)
that you want to discuss. Q Rage Against the Machine, Q like Metallica when they did all of their anti-war songs, you know, a lot of things, right? So the message, I'm not going to say the message is lost because I don't think you should, when you're in an art form, I'd...

don't really believe. Well, in some cases, yes, but in the most sense, if you want to make a statement, you don't slap people over the head with a statement, but you put it in subtly as like a theme and an after tone in it. Yeah, I think so. Right. And so while this has a lot of metaphor, it's also pretty on the nose with some of the lyrics, right. It's, know,

Michael (11:09.74)
You put it in like a metaphor, right?

Michael (11:17.874)
yeah. Yep.

Sebastian (11:20.955)
they make a reference to CBC, which is the Canadian broadcast company, talking about this case, the David Milgaard case, right? So here, it's fascinating to me because like, Gore Downey is a poet, but yet his lyrical writing is pretty on the nose, right? Like he uses metaphors, but sometimes he's like just straight up, straight at you. Like this is what it is, I find anyways.

Michael (11:25.858)
Mm-hmm.

Michael (11:33.763)
Yeah.

Michael (11:46.264)
this and some other songs that's hit you over the head. And it's just like, my God, nobody will get this song, but people that live in this country, like literally, like it's just, well, even this song.

Sebastian (11:50.564)
Yes.

You

And I know we've talked about this before, but that probably is a detriment to their global stamp because they're so Canadian. And they don't care. They don't care to branch out. just like, we're Canadian. We're going to sing Canadian stuff.

Michael (12:02.338)
Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. Yeah.

Michael (12:11.606)
It's unapologetically and nobody else like sure. There's like, there used to be these things called encyclopedias, these books you'd get with the history of countries and stuff, but nobody was doing it. nobody was doing it in song really, like to this, to this extent, because every song on every album, like there are a great number of songs, especially in the first four records. Real actually the first three really more so than, later on, think, but he just.

Sebastian (12:25.379)
Yeah.

Michael (12:41.518)
he just felt he was the one to represent all of us. Like there's a reason why the whole country stopped on their final concert and watched the final concert on TV. Like.

Sebastian (12:45.007)
Yeah.

Sebastian (12:51.149)
Yeah, that was probably one of the biggest Canadian events in recent memory. Yeah.

Michael (12:54.53)
Like realistically, yeah, it was probably like more people were watching that than the Olympics, than anything, know, Princess Diana's wedding, all the big events of her funeral or whatever, right?

Sebastian (13:05.058)
Yeah. It's interesting discussing this song and the hip particularly because, know, while I have immense respect for Gorg Downey, tragically hip, everything the hip, I consider myself a casual fan. Whereas you are an Uber fan. You love the hip. Yeah.

Michael (13:21.836)
Yes. I love the hip. I love listening to the hip. just, for me, music doesn't get old to me. Like there's a documentary on Amazon. It does. My kids, my kids love the hip. My wife loves the hip. Like the hip's always on. Like wherever we're driving, the hip's on. Like we put it on. Cause it's something we can all agree on too. Right?

Sebastian (13:33.691)
It's definitely got its place for sure, like in terms of like when you want to listen to it or not. Yeah.

Sebastian (13:46.363)
That's a great name too, the Tragically Hip.

Michael (13:48.034)
Right? It's, where did I, it came from somewhere fun out of some novel or something. It was just fun. Like, that's just an amazing name.

Sebastian (13:55.151)
But like it fits along the lines of like a just took position band name. And I can't think of another example, but like tragically hip, like it's such a good play on words. know, we're too hip for, yeah. Are they all high school buddies? Nice. Love that. Love that.

Michael (14:06.924)
Yep. yeah. Right. And they went to high school. Yeah. They went to high school together. They were, they, they were high school buddies. That's which is, which is crazy. Right. It's this, you just never see it. They always were those five guys. They never, they never changed members. They never did anything, but

Sebastian (14:26.309)
So do you remember the first time you heard this song?

Michael (14:29.74)
Yeah, it probably would have been 1992 when it came out. no, I, I didn't really know that. Like I knew a couple of songs before this album came out, but I wasn't really big in them. got like little bones and there's a couple of other ones were kind of cool. Yeah. The radio bangers, didn't know any deep cuts, but when this album fully completely dropped, I think the first single was either courage or lock in the trunk. I was locking the trunk of a car, which is another Canadian story.

Sebastian (14:31.979)
came out. Yeah, I probably heard it but I was not familiar with what I was listening to at the time.

Sebastian (14:46.243)
like they're radio bangers basically.

Michael (14:58.412)
That song, that's like one of my favorites. That's one of my favorite songs of all time. it's, I love that song, but this song is just, I don't know. It's just, it's haunting. It's beautiful. It's. It's one of the rare hip songs. can play guitar to it because their songs don't make sense if you're playing it by yourself, because it's a band, they're a collective. So they all put their pieces in to make the song whole. So if it's just like some songs, you're just like, well, this sounds stupid without the other guitar, the bass, the drums, the vocals.

Sebastian (14:59.397)
They do a lot of that, don't they? Like, yeah.

Sebastian (15:12.792)
Yeah.

Michael (15:28.462)
At least this one you can strum, it's just strumming chords, right?

Sebastian (15:30.543)
Yeah, you need you need a product of all the parts together to really flush out the full song. I guess with this song in particular, the it's a very melancholy song, and it basically kind of captures the feeling and the mood of how people probably felt.

Michael (15:34.358)
Yeah, totally. Yeah, totally do. And,

Sebastian (15:52.698)
with this whole case of David Milgaard and being wrongfully accused, right? It's just, it's sad. It's sad, it's like you feel that wasted years that he spent behind bars where he could have been, you know, a free man, so to speak. yeah, I like it. It's a good song.

Michael (15:55.275)
yeah.

Michael (15:59.064)
Really is.

Michael (16:11.212)
Yeah. but we're not going to spend too much time on it. Cause there's something else I do want to talk to you about tonight. Black Sabbath and their final show.

Sebastian (16:15.643)
Sure.

That's happening this Saturday.

Michael (16:20.664)
this Saturday. Are you going to order it and watch it? Yes. Me too.

Sebastian (16:24.143)
Yes. I probably won't watch the whole thing in its entirety, because it's going to be pretty long. assume it's going to be at the bare minimum, eight hours. They got to get through all the bands, right? So I'll probably watch it in parts, but yeah. I may skip a few bands that I don't need to watch this basically, but it starts at 7 AM R time.

Michael (16:29.623)
No.

Michael (16:33.998)
Probably eight hours at least, right? Yeah. So many bands. Yeah.

Michael (16:47.734)
You're gonna, what would you skip? So I'm looking at the, let's see, so it says it's gonna perform, I don't think each band is playing a whole set. I don't think that's.

Sebastian (16:51.567)
Yeah, let's see.

Sebastian (16:57.909)
No, they're they'll probably just doing a couple of tribute songs to to

Michael (17:00.982)
Right? So we got Metallica Slayer, Pantera, Gojira, Hailstorm, Alice in Chains, Lamb of God, Anthrax, and Mastodon.

Sebastian (17:09.785)
Rival Sons, Lamb of God. Did you say that? Anthrax? And many more it says, so.

Michael (17:11.502)
Okay, so there's more. Yeah. Yep. Yes, and others. And there's also gonna be a super group, featuring the members of the Smashing Pumpkins, Disturbed, Guns N' Roses, Anthrax, Limp Bizkit, Korn, Hailstorm, Faith No More, Ghost, Sleep Token, Van Halen, and others. Which I don't think the Van Halen's a thing anymore, because Wolfie's not going, but no, he backed out.

Sebastian (17:30.235)
To the.

Sebastian (17:34.386)
really?

Sebastian (17:37.947)
I'm trying to find if there's a, yeah. Okay.

Michael (17:37.976)
So, but I'm going to order it because my son really wants to watch it and he wants to, I'm just be neat to see and.

Sebastian (17:47.469)
I have the poster up. you want me to go through the official performance list of everyone?

Michael (17:52.987)
and I think Megadeth has been kicked off the thing too.

Sebastian (17:56.539)
It might just be David Elfson, because I don't see Megadeth on here.

Michael (18:00.31)
Yeah, they got the boot for whatever reason. Which, sorry, no.

Sebastian (18:02.709)
I mean, let's he was probably talking too much about Metallica and the fact that they screwed him up. I wrote all the good songs. He reminds me of like Beavis and Butthead now like.

Michael (18:08.717)
What?

My god, I wrote all their good songs.

okay. he's totally, he's like beavis. He totally is beavis.

Sebastian (18:22.107)
Where did I, did I just cancel? just, on. Okay. So this is the poster that I looked at the other day. So.

Michael (18:23.97)
You had the poster, what do you...

Sebastian (18:35.189)
Performances from Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Tool Slayer, Pantera, Gojira, Alice in Chains, Hailstone, Lama God, Anthrax, Macedon, Rivalsons. Additional performances from Andrew Watt, Bailey Corrigan from The Smashing Pumpkins, Chad Smith from The Red Hot Chili Peppers, David Elfson, David Draymond from Disturbed, Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit, Lizzy Hale, Jakey Lee, Jonathan Davis from Korn, KK Downing, Mike Borden from Faith No More, Papa-

Five from Ghosts, Ruby Sarzo, Sammy Hagar, Sleep Token Two, which I think is a vocalist, Tom Morello, Vernon Reed from Linen Living Color, Woodfield Crane from Ugly Kid Joe, and Wolfgang Valt, but you said he's not coming anyways. And then Jason Memo is the host.

Michael (19:20.142)
So I'm assuming I remember back in the day, I believe ugly kid Joe did a cover of nativity and black, right? Was that the cover they did? Right? Yeah. I think they might've, I think that was them. but that's going to be the most interesting part is to see what songs these, all these vocalists and bands decide to play. I want them, all of them, especially Metallica not to play sabre, cadaver, place, play something different play.

Sebastian (19:27.867)
yeah, the tribute album, right? The the Nativian Black album.

Sebastian (19:40.143)
That's what I want to see.

Sebastian (19:46.383)
That's the

Michael (19:48.832)
I just average a cadaver would be really cool. But.

Sebastian (19:51.951)
You know, I would have liked to see Megadeth perform Paranoid. Like, they, in my mind, it's a better version of Paranoid.

Michael (19:55.276)
Yeah. Right. Yeah. That light, that light speed version. I wouldn't go that far. but Ozzy is only going to sing five songs total. That's all he can do. Right. And you know what hats off to the guy for even trying, which is gotta be dauntingly scary for him and black Sabbath. No, no. So I, I just, I just, I don't know. I just want him to go out and have a good time.

Sebastian (20:01.507)
Well...

Sebastian (20:05.221)
That's all he probably can sing to be honest with you.

Sebastian (20:13.785)
Yeah, he's not doing well in terms of physics, physical ability, right? So.

Michael (20:22.83)
Cause I actually listened to the Black Sabbath reunion live show from like, what's like 1990, like eight, seven, nine, whatever. Doesn't matter. Man. They were so good. It was all four of them. Ozzy was healthy. Man, the energy and just the songs were so, they were just awesome. Like it was just, holy shit. These guys really know how to, to put on a good show.

Sebastian (20:41.987)
Yeah.

Sebastian (20:47.321)
Yeah, you're right. They did cover Nativity in Black, ugly kid Joe.

Michael (20:51.648)
Okay, yeah, so I'm sure that'll be, I'm sure there'll be crossover with bands maybe doing the same song. I would hope.

Sebastian (20:59.835)
All right, so let's let's think about it. What what? mean, obviously, they're going to do a lot of the most famous Black Sabbath songs. They'll do Warpix. They'll do Iron Man. They'll probably do Paranoid. What is there any surprise songs that they're going to do? That's a hard thing to actually ask right now, but like.

Michael (21:09.079)
I think there's going to be some deep cuts in there. Yeah.

Michael (21:16.206)
God. It's almost impossible because you could say like, we're going to do.

Sebastian (21:23.599)
Like how many Aussie songs are they gonna do? How many Black Sabbath songs are they gonna do? Is it all?

Michael (21:26.99)
Well, obviously, Jake E. Lee is going to probably do Bark at the Moon, so I don't know who's going to sing Bark at the Moon.

Sebastian (21:31.567)
Dude, I would love to see Miracle Man life.

Michael (21:34.54)
Miracle Man would be cool. don't even, is Zach even gonna be here? Has to be here, right? Well, Pantera is gonna be there, so he will be there. So I'm hoping Zach will get up on stage and one of the five songs Ozzy will do. I don't know if Ozzy can remember the lyrics to Miracle Man.

Sebastian (21:36.407)
Well, he has to be there. How is he not going to be there? Well, I guess he's part of Pantera, right? Yeah.

Sebastian (21:51.821)
No, has a, he has a, what's it called? Bromptor, thank you.

Michael (21:55.404)
A prompter. Yes. But I did see Ozzy do, back before black Sabbath retired the first time, like the, they ended the end tour, they did tomorrow's dream once. And there's a reason why they played it once. Cause it was, it was tragic to say the least. It was tragic, not tragically hip. was just tragic. It was like, it was just bad. It was, they were, the band was good. It's just the vocals were not good, but I don't know.

Sebastian (22:13.787)
Tragic.

Sebastian (22:17.477)
Yeah.

Michael (22:24.834)
Yeah, like I said, we're gonna order it. I, you know, I'm really, to see, it's like almost, remember back in the day when it was the Freddie Mercury tribute show, this reminds me a lot of that. Of having all these gigantic bands celebrating the life of Freddie, even though Ozzy's not dead. This is like his big sendoff. It's a swan song.

Sebastian (22:28.367)
have to it's the once in a lifetime situation right like

Sebastian (22:37.785)
Yeah, yeah.

Sebastian (22:45.729)
It's his swan song. I can't see him touring after this. I think this is it for him. No, Zach's gonna be there. So it's like, I'm on blabremote.net and it says, Zachwell says that it will be special for him to be participating in Osborne's Farewell Concert in Birmingham, United Kingdom, taking place on July 5th at Villa Park. It's sold out in less than 10 minutes, by the way. So that makes sense.

Michael (22:49.806)
Oh no, he's never going to tour. No, no, no. It's over. Yeah.

Michael (23:10.097)
yeah.

And I think it's.

Sebastian (23:12.829)
but yeah, so there's super group musicians, I guess not each musician is performing individually, like they'll be like Duff McKagan and slash with Billy Corrigan and maybe Fred Durst and Chad Smith together doing a song. Right. So that's what I'm fascinating for is just to see what songs the artists pick to cover and whatnot. Cause I can't see it's all going to be black Sabbath Ozzy Osbourne songs like they did with the Metallica tribute thing or the Led Zeppelin tribute. So yeah.

Michael (23:22.862)
Yeah, it's good. It's going to be cool, right? Yes, absolutely.

Michael (23:35.555)
Yes.

Mm-hmm. Well, they got eight albums to choose from. Well, nine really, I guess. But if anyone plays anything.

Sebastian (23:42.427)
Thanks a lot.

Well, they're only gonna do the six from when Ozzy was in Black Sabbath.

Michael (23:49.986)
there's only six, thought there was more.

Sebastian (23:52.323)
He was only in the first six albums, I believe.

Michael (23:54.382)
Well, there's the one in 2013 as well, that bad Rick Rubin album.

That one sucks. It's just...

Sebastian (24:02.139)
So remember when we had that conversation, we were just having that conversation before you went live on the air about like dated things. It's like, you remember watching movies from back in the day and you watch the movie, you're like, this movie is not as good as I remember it. But like you remember it being like an A plus movie. So that's the same thing with bands like Black Sabbath when they try to recreate their gold mine pathway, but music has evolved. Yes. And music has evolved to such a state that like you can't get away with the things that you were writing.

Michael (24:08.332)
Yep. Yep.

No.

Michael (24:20.684)
Like you wrote NIB once already, can you not do it again? Like, come on, man.

Sebastian (24:30.459)
40 years ago, 30 years ago. It's just not the way it is now, right? So.

Michael (24:31.212)
Yep.

So I'm gonna give you a movie that we're switching subjects again, because this brought something to my mind. So we watch Die Hard every Christmas Eve. Thank you, I agree.

Sebastian (24:39.781)
to it.

Sebastian (24:43.938)
It's a Christmas movie.

We had this, my partner and I had this conversation yesterday.

Michael (24:49.688)
Cause it totally, it is, it totally is. But we tried watching diehard two. Cooper's like my son, he's like, Hey, let's watch a different diehard. Let's watch diehard two. I'm like, man, my diehard two was awesome. But I haven't seen it since I was like his age. I was like 16 or whatever, how old I was. So we put it on or watching. my God, this sucks. He's like, dad, you said this was good. I'm like, I did say this was good.

Sebastian (24:53.689)
Well.

you

Sebastian (25:06.799)
Yeah.

Sebastian (25:11.639)
Like, is not the way to remember it.

Michael (25:18.44)
We made it, I don't even know how far we made it. didn't make it.

Sebastian (25:22.373)
Dude, watch the third one. Third one stands on its own. What?

Michael (25:24.588)
We tried, third one sucks. Not another one that it's terrible. It does not hold up. It does not hold any water. It's so.

Sebastian (25:32.365)
Okay, so was I the only one that was really ticked off that the bad guy didn't win at the end of the third one?

Michael (25:38.092)
He should have won.

Sebastian (25:41.057)
It feels like they did like the way it ended. not going to, well, I just ruined it for everyone, but it's 30 years ago. The way it ended, felt like Hollywood is like, we can't have the bad guy win because that's not Hollywood. And so they threw together this like last minute switcheroo where he finds like the match package that says like Quebec. And then he's like, he finds where they escaped to. Right. But I feel like they should have just let him win the bad guy. Right. The groupers.

Michael (25:45.363)
it's 30 years ago. Come on, man. It's all good.

Michael (26:06.318)
Yeah, let the groobers have their day after the first one. Come on, man. Not I'm have their day. Make groobers great again. But yeah, die hard three doesn't hold up. But we had this conversation about Pulp Fiction. You asked me, does it still hold up? Is it still really good? And I watched it. I don't know. We watched it. Whenever we watched me and the wife watched it and we were glued to the TV because it is so good.

Sebastian (26:10.331)
Hans Gruber.

Sebastian (26:19.108)
Yeah.

Sebastian (26:31.515)
Are you going to say something blah blah blah about Quentin Tarantino's dialogue? I know it because it's

Michael (26:36.79)
his dialogue is second to none. It is just amazing. And if you get the right people to say the dialogue, like Samuel L. Jackson, that dude can swear better than anybody on the planet. it's not much, it's a talent. Like that dude.

Sebastian (26:39.823)
Yeah.

Sebastian (26:45.413)
Say the words. Yeah.

Sebastian (26:52.205)
I mean, let's be real, like watching two people argue about what burgers are called in Europe for 15 minutes in a car ride for some reason is fascinating. You're just engaged. Well, because the dialogue is real. It's like a real, it's not like a Hollywood dialogue. Yes. It's broken sentences. People are interrupting each other and that's what Quentin does. He, he mimics.

Michael (26:59.02)
Hey man. Yes. they don't make movies like that anymore. It's so awesome to. Yeah. It's a conversation you and I would have. It's a conversation that we would have.

Sebastian (27:20.537)
dialogue better than pretty much any director in Hollywood, I think, right? Because he's like, he's real. My only issue is he sometimes he's so centered on the dialogue it takes away from the flow of the story, right? For the classic example is Death Proof, where the girls are talking at the table and the camera just spins around the table for 15 minutes. And all they're doing is talking about absolutely nothing to do with the story.

Michael (27:24.462)
Sure. I would think so.

Michael (27:45.858)
Yep.

Sebastian (27:48.837)
But I understand you're building character relationships, but like you could do that in way quicker ways. You don't have to just sit there going like, what are they talking about? Talk about high heels and stuff. And I don't actually, I don't even know if they talk about high heels, but anyways, the funny thing is that it's like, so the dialogue stops as soon as they get in the cars. Then there's like no dialogue for the rest of the movie. It's just Kurt Russell trying to run them off the road and there it's like a 25, 35 minute car chase for the, for the end of it.

Michael (27:54.124)
No. Yeah.

Michael (28:00.392)
I don't even, man it's been a hot minute since I've seen Death Proof.

Michael (28:14.446)
Amazing.

Sebastian (28:18.875)
But it's like all the dialogue happens before they get in their cars. Then once they get in their cars, it's like totally, it's a totally different movie. So.

Michael (28:24.716)
Yeah. So, yeah, those are some movies that hold up and don't. but I mean, to tell you, man. No, Spaceballs is rough, except for the the combing scene when you're combing desert. That's that's funny forever. That is funny forever. And it took me like 30 years to realize what the joke was. And I'm like, when I saw the theater, I'm like, my God, that is awesome, because I hadn't seen this since I was young.

Sebastian (28:31.035)
I always come back to space balls, man. I'm telling you, it does not hold up these days.

Sebastian (28:40.623)
That's the best scene. Hey, found shit.

Sebastian (28:52.293)
For those that have seen it that know they know, but we won't explain it here.

Michael (28:55.65)
Yeah, I started watching Terrifier 3. I know we're off on a tangent. well, because I remember you told me there's Christmas stuff, there's kids. Obviously they don't show any of that stuff because...

Sebastian (28:59.977)
boy.

Sebastian (29:05.488)
Yeah.

Sebastian (29:09.381)
Yeah, the whole beginning part is him being Santa Claus, isn't it? Yeah.

Michael (29:11.978)
Yes. It's something else.

Sebastian (29:17.307)
He's a fascinating character, the art, the clown.

Michael (29:19.118)
And the way they brought him back is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. my God, it's, it was like Evil Dead comical. Like it literally was.

Sebastian (29:23.117)
Of course.

Sebastian (29:29.647)
Was it like the final Friday or whatever where the guy unburies Jason and he's dead and he stabs him and then the lightning bolt hits like the fence posts and like Frankenstein's him back to life.

Michael (29:41.678)
This is somewhat close. So this one at the end of two, what's his nuts? Who cares? Art the Clown, Art loses his head at the end of two. some, right? Yeah, it's over. It's sign art, but some little creepy ghost girl took his head back into this thing and whatever. So this time, the cop's investigating, so it's taking place just after.

Sebastian (29:56.993)
It's pretty standard, right? Like you're coming back from that.

Sebastian (30:09.753)
Yeah.

Michael (30:09.87)
And the head's gone. The guy's like, Hey, I decapitated body, blah, blah, blah. He walks towards his door. I'm not alone here. And he turns around the body's gone. Oh my God, go figure. So I headless, a headless body kills the cop and he takes the cop's head, puts it on his body and it goes into the subway and it's, it's actually quick. I found it quite funny because it was just, it was the way it was done was just funny. And then he goes back to the.

his references to the first one. he goes back and then finds this girl that he mutilated. Yeah. It's the, yeah. And then his head's there in the asylum and then he gets his head back and then there's some guy driving. It's so stupid. was like, whatever. And then Chris Jericho is in it though. He's in the beginning. He gets killed.

Sebastian (30:44.089)
It's like the demon girl, isn't it? Or no? Yeah.

Sebastian (30:55.609)
Yeah, but you're enjoying it though. Is he well, he's okay. So a lot of people don't know that Chris Jericho is a big like horror fan. He loves horror movies. That's awesome.

Michael (31:02.06)
Yeah, he had a cameo in the the asylum. He was like the the nurse.

Sebastian (31:07.641)
That's like one of my favorite things is like when, when megastars and I'm saying Chris Zero is a megastar. I mean, he is in the wrestling world, but not in the film world. But I love it when like megastars have like cameos, for example, Deadpool 2 where Brad Pitt is Mr. Vanisher and he, he electrocutes himself and he actually showed up for work just to have him flash for half a second, his face.

Michael (31:13.664)
No, but he's... Sure.

Michael (31:24.134)
yeah, that's right.

Michael (31:33.198)
Yep.

Sebastian (31:34.203)
What's the other one where it was a Seth Rogen movie and Channing Tatum played a guy in like a gimp mask and he was like the pet of one of the characters in it. So there's that. The other one that comes to mind is Matt Damon from Euro Trip. Scotty doesn't know. Scotty doesn't. Greatest song ever for a movie, but I do, yes.

Michael (31:41.41)
funny.

Michael (31:51.214)
Sure, right.

Michael (31:55.39)
do you have Apple TV? You should watch the studio. It's just really, it's awesome. Like Seth Rogen and Ike Barinholtz are so good.

Sebastian (32:01.973)
yeah, I heard it was good. We're watching. We're currently watching Welcome to Wrexham. So that's that gives me like massive Ted Lasso vibes when I watch it. It's so Ted Lasso is. Did you know that they're actually making a terrifier for? Yeah.

Michael (32:09.593)
Yeah.

Yes, they are. But it then also says they're going to explain his backstory. And I'm pretty sure that's what I, we already know who he is because he's like, they're already explaining in the third one who he is because there's all these weirdo flashbacks to this guy and his daughter. And it's like, okay, no, this guy is art.

Sebastian (32:24.059)
Yeah.

Sebastian (32:32.185)
I think they're just going to double down on that and like really flush it out maybe in the fourth one. don't know.

Michael (32:34.968)
But even like the violence in this one, it's like the second one's a little more subdued except for the bedroom scene was just, it was outrageous. But I'm only, I don't know, movie, it's over two hours long. I need to watch it in pieces. That's too long. It's like, why is this movie two hours? There's no reason. There's like literally zero reason for this movie to be two hours. Like literally zero. There's hardly any dialogue. There's like no music. it's just.

Sebastian (32:42.519)
I watched that on YouTube.

Sebastian (32:51.363)
Yeah, I... Yeah.

You

Sebastian (33:01.743)
What's the other good scene from Terrifier 2 is the one where the Halloween shop one where he's like with the horn like a dick, a dick, a a dick, a a dick.

Michael (33:05.836)
Or when the kid, the kids.

He's so great. And then there's the one where they trick or treaters and he uses the lady's head, a carved out head for a candy bowl and the kid puts her hand in. why is the candy all gooey? And I'm like, my God. And it's just like this distorted face. was so great. Man, that's a pretty, that's a pretty real, real pumpkin bowl he got there. Anyways.

Sebastian (33:22.364)
my god

I was just smiling the whole time.

Sebastian (33:33.687)
Anyways, for those of you that really like gore horror movies, you probably already know about the Terrifier series. If you don't warn you, you kind of get desensitized to it a little bit. There's some extreme, the bedroom scene, you can YouTube it. And if you want, it's not, it's not fun to watch. It is not so.

Michael (33:38.03)
It's not for the squeamish, but once you watch one, you can watch anything. Yeah, I am.

Michael (33:49.986)
That's brutal. Like it is literally brutal. It's not for the faint of heart, to be perfectly honest. It's like, it's crazy bad. But anyways, we've been off tangent. We've been talking about Tratsky hip and I want to talk a little about the black Sabbath show. Cause I think next week we should, if we are going to watch it, we should actually speak about it next week and have our way. We won't talk to each other on the weekend while wanting. We'll keep our opinions to ourselves. Yeah. And just so we can surprise each other with.

Sebastian (34:08.357)
We are going to, yes.

Sebastian (34:14.341)
Separate, yeah.

Michael (34:18.584)
with whatever we think of everything.

Sebastian (34:19.993)
Yeah, if anybody, okay, so for those that don't know, I mean, we've probably already said it on this particular podcast, but Ozzy Osbourne is doing his last show next Saturday, July 5th, ever. And a whole bunch of bands are coming together to do songs. We already talked about that. If you do want to watch it, you can go to the website. I believe it's called backtothebeginning.com, if I'm not mistaken.

Michael (34:32.205)
Ever.

Sebastian (34:46.907)
And you can buy a ticket. believe it's $20 if I'm not mistaken.

Michael (34:51.948)
Yeah, something like that. 20, 30 bucks.

Sebastian (34:54.459)
Yeah, it's backtothebeginning.com and you can just go buy a virtual ticket, which is $20.41. I'm not sure if that's American or Euros or Canadian. I'm pretty sure it's American. So it'll be a little bit more, yeah.

Michael (35:08.302)
So it'd be like in Canada, it'll be $67 and that's fine.

Sebastian (35:12.761)
Yes, so it starts at 7 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. That's when the event starts. Once you purchase the ticket, you have 48 hours to watch from what I'm understanding. So you don't have to watch it in the whole context. VOD, okay, so the live stream access to watch the entire Back to the Beginning event starts starting July 5th at 7 a.m. The VOD replay access to rewatch the entire event will be available

July 5th, shortly after the event concludes to 7 a.m. July 7th. So you have 48 hours once it concludes to watch the whole thing. Don't quote me on that. I'm just going by what the website says. yeah. Yeah. So it will be, it will be good. It will be fun.

Michael (35:54.38)
Yeah, that's usually how those work. You have two days to watch it and then bye bye.

So I expect you to record it and have your phone up to your TV the whole time.

Sebastian (36:05.635)
Yeah, we'll do that. Just live stream the whole thing. Get banned from various socials because I'm live streaming. But yes, that's it.

Michael (36:08.13)
Get right on that.

Michael (36:12.194)
get banned from everything, from life. Anyways, that's it. Anyone not in Canada, listen to the hip because they rock and they're amazing.

Sebastian (36:21.539)
Yeah, actually, if there's any Americans that like want to let us know what their opinion of the hip is, that would be very fascinating for us and interested to see, you know, this minnow band in terms of the US standards, but they're a huge band in Canada, like what their feeling is on them. So yeah.

Michael (36:39.29)
and for future episodes, we are alive on Twitch at mandatory music. And we are also live on YouTube at mandatory music. Let's do it. So yeah, if you ever want to, we, we, could, I'll start putting out in socials eventually, but I just kind of want to get our feet wet and you know, just get our feet wet, get used to it. Yeah. Make it a little more pro looking, but right now we're still doing the audio thing. Be podcast where wherever you get your podcast. Anyways, that's our show.

Sebastian (36:48.089)
Let's go. Yes.

Sebastian (36:54.543)
Yes.

Sebastian (36:59.717)
Jump in the deep end.

Sebastian (37:05.007)
Yes, sir.

Michael (37:09.09)
Back next week.

Sebastian (37:10.533)
We'll see you next week.