Episode 666: A Farewell to Ozzy Osbourne

The conversation reviews a monumental tribute concert for Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath, discussing the performances of various bands, the dynamics of the lineup, and the overall impact of the event on the heavy metal community. The hosts critique individual performances, highlight standout moments, and reflect on the significance of the concert in the context of rock history. The conversation delves into a detailed review of a significant concert event celebrating the legacy of Black Sabbath and its influence on rock music. The speakers discuss various performances, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of different artists, including Ozzy Osbourne, Guns N' Roses, Pantera, and Tool. They reflect on the emotional moments of the show, particularly Ozzy's return to the stage, and the overall atmosphere of camaraderie among the musicians. The discussion emphasizes the importance of honoring musical legacies while acknowledging the challenges faced by aging performers.

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Transcript

Michael (00:01.388)
Hey, good evening and welcome back to episode 666 in celebration of Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath's final concert back to the beginning. That's what we're talking about tonight and legitimately it's actually episode 66. I just thought I'd throw an extra six in there just because it's... Right? It just, yeah, it just, it called out and I responded and so yeah, so episode 666, is...

Sebastian (00:06.782)
I see what you did there.

Sebastian (00:12.229)
Yes.

Sebastian (00:19.185)
Great how the universe just knows and answers you. Perfect.

Sebastian (00:27.791)
Yes.

Michael (00:30.538)
all about back to the beginning, the gigantic, yeah, minus 660, but that's okay. So yeah, so we are gonna talk about the biggest metal hard rock show, I think almost of our lifetime. I know the Freddie Mercury tribute concert was like that, but there was a lot more diversity in that than this. This was just basically pure hard rock and heavy metal and all the way to thrash. It was a full meal deal.

Sebastian (00:32.337)
minus 600.

Sebastian (00:43.972)
our lifetimes, I think.

Sebastian (00:52.473)
Yes.

Michael (01:01.006)
I know you, I was on the couch at six 45 in the morning waiting for it to start. So, and then you and the kid, got up and he got up like he mismatched it on, but, uh, he, he, uh, he wanted to watch, watch it all. And oh my God, dude, we sat on the, I don't, I'm not, it was, it was almost too much. Cause if know, 7am and ended, I don't know, we didn't even finish it, but we'll, get to that. We didn't have time, but, uh, no.

Sebastian (01:05.115)
Same, same.

Sebastian (01:17.561)
It's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah.

Sebastian (01:27.013)
Yeah, I wasn't able to watch the whole thing. have to go to work. I watched pretty much I watched casually for the first couple of bands. You know, I had it on and I was doing other things, but I was still paying attention to it, you know, on the computer on my side monitor. And then I watched up until Metallica and then I had to go to work. And then when I got home on the Saturday night, I watched the rest of it like the last two hours, basically. So but it was in total, it was almost like 10 hours worth of concert footage, really.

Michael (01:39.779)
Yeah.

Michael (01:48.588)
Okay. Yeah.

Michael (01:53.486)
Yeah, it was. And I had it on my phone, but I was casting it to my TV. And for the first, like, I don't know, basically the whole morning, was like, it would just kick me off Apple airplane, airplane, like all the time. Oh my dude, it was, it was awful. I'm switching. It was, and then he read the comments. So I can't cast it and all this. Everybody was having these problems too. And it was just, and it was just like,

Sebastian (01:57.852)
Nice, yeah.

Sebastian (02:05.128)
really?

That had to be frustrating,

Sebastian (02:15.715)
I think if that I think that might have been like an IP barrier thing or something like that, because you could only cast it on one device at a time. So I think the fact that it was on your phone and also casting your TV might have like run some sort of interference saying like it was registering there was being double casted maybe I don't know. I'm not that techie though so I don't know.

Michael (02:19.031)
I think so.

Michael (02:26.493)
Screwing things up.

Michael (02:31.052)
Yeah. Yeah. And then there was, there was a few bands like later on that I just, there was no audio. was like, all right, well, this is, this is, this is cool. I was one pant, but yeah. So the last like couple hours we, was good. didn't get kicked out once. Thank goodness. But yeah. And, yeah. So anyways, so like, it's a gigantic set of people and guest stars and like, it was a who's who of, of heavy metal. Like it was weird not having Megan out there kind of.

Sebastian (02:39.373)
One band. Yeah.

Sebastian (02:46.567)
Well, that's good.

Sebastian (02:58.876)
Yeah.

Michael (03:01.324)
I'm pretty sure they're the ones that got kicked.

Sebastian (03:01.607)
So, okay, let's talk about the elephant in the room here. And there's probably many elephants in the room, though. the big thing about this entire concert is that there was a band that was removed from the show because from the digging that I've done, and it's one of three bands. I already know it's not one of them because they would have never been invited in the first place, but the three, would be Iron Maiden, Maggie Death,

Michael (03:05.08)
Sure. yeah.

Michael (03:28.056)
That's Iron Maiden probably, right? Yeah.

Sebastian (03:31.152)
or Motley Crue. And so one of those three bands were removed off of the, some people even say it's Slipknot, but I don't think Slipknot was ever supposed to play. I don't think they're really connected to Ozzy other than Kelly Osbourne. And that's another thing we'll talk about after, but so for those that don't know, Bruce Dickinson and Sharon Osbourne had a falling out in like the mid 2000s over Oz Fest tour and they don't like each other. So.

Michael (03:40.256)
I don't think they were supposed to play.

Michael (03:45.613)
Yeah, yeah.

Sebastian (03:59.162)
Iron Maiden I don't think would have ever been invited in the first place because one number one and number two, would they have even accepted? Maybe they would have just to be nice. So it leaves you to the fact that it's either Megadeth or Motley Crue. And from the research that I've done, one of these two bands was going into this to try to profit out of it. there, and I don't think it was the actual band, it was the band's management that had the

Michael (04:07.415)
I don't think they would have.

Sebastian (04:26.343)
discrepancy with Sharon Osborne because they wanted to be compensated for their time there. And Sharon was like, this is a charity. Like none of the bands are getting paid. Everything we're making is going to the Parkinson's Foundation of written or whatever. Right? So all of the, all the profits from this is a charity concert. So she was just like, I'm, you are a disaster to deal with. So is it Megadeth or is it Motley Crue?

Michael (04:32.418)
Yeah, right.

Michael (04:49.272)
Well, that's, know, honestly, looking at both bands and how much kind of trouble they cause, you know, everywhere they go. could be either, but I'm thinking it's Megadeth. That's just my...

Sebastian (04:58.439)
See, I always think it's Motley Crue. And I think it's not even Motley Crue in itself. It's the management of Motley Crue that got into the conflict. And because you think that Nikki Sixx would have been like, yeah, we'll do this for free. Tommy Lee would have been like, we'd do this for free. Like, why would they? But it could be Megan. I don't know. It's yeah.

Michael (05:10.36)
Well, yeah, and you can't, it's a charity show. You don't profit from this crap. Like, like what do they want their flights paid for and like transported their gear? Like, come on. I think they're.

Sebastian (05:21.775)
Yeah. So as I think from the research I've done, the second they started talking about monetary compensation for the management did Sharon's like, no, no, that's not what this is about at all. So yeah, it could be Megadeth. It makes sense that it's Megadeth because the other three of the big four thrash bands all like everyone is connected to Ozzy Osbourne. Megadeth probably the least out of the four, but the four big thrash brands would have been great to have. So

Michael (05:28.622)
That's amazing.

Michael (05:44.003)
sure.

Michael (05:48.834)
Yeah. Exodus isn't really a thing right now. So, you know, but Gary Holt isn't Slayer. So I guess there's still the Exodus connection. but yeah, but so first up we had good old Macedon who I, I love Macedon. They're so good. And, in most bands only played, you know, three songs. Was it?

Sebastian (05:52.57)
No.

Sebastian (05:56.872)
That's true, So.

Yes.

Yep.

Sebastian (06:09.347)
Yeah, I think I think the every band played three songs until after the second supergroup. So I'm pretty.

Michael (06:19.278)
Uh, well, yeah, go dear. Yeah, that's right. Cause gosh, after the first two, go dear. I got four songs and then the suit.

Sebastian (06:27.491)
Allison Chains got three songs, Gujira got four. Yeah. while the third, the third song they played is only like two minutes. Their, Olympic song, the Maya Culpa. This is so good.

Michael (06:30.23)
Yeah, and.

Yeah.

my god, that was cool. was cool. Anyways, but we're talking mastodon. So they play black tongue and blood and thunder, which are just absolute thumpers. then I want to focus on the covers of what bands play, what covers, because that was the thing that really interested me to see who would choose what. And then the mastodon shows supernaut, which makes 1000 complete sense. And I was having audio issues during supernaut. I couldn't hear the vocals. I don't know if you could.

Sebastian (06:41.936)
Yes.

Sebastian (06:52.761)
Yeah.

Sebastian (07:07.047)
yeah, I could, it was fine.

Michael (07:07.064)
But I, okay. So yeah, I was having, you know, streaming problems at that point. And I was like, come on, just stay with me. But Super Knot's such a cool song and such a groovy song. It's just, this is, mean, yeah, they're the perfect band to do it. And to have that sort of, when they had Danny Carey, Mario Duplante and Eloy Casagrande from Slipknot come out and do the extra, my God, the extra percussion. was like, yeah, now we're talking.

Sebastian (07:13.425)
actually.

Sebastian (07:20.878)
Yep.

Sebastian (07:29.413)
He's such a good drummer. Elon, Eloy, yeah.

Michael (07:33.996)
So I'd be willing to bet Slipknot was there because Jim Root was there. We'll get there. Yeah. So they were whatever wherever Corey Taylor was. What did you think of Mastodon when you watched?

Sebastian (07:37.448)
Sid Wilson was there too. So Elon was there or Eloy, yeah. Okay, I'm make a blanket statement here for every band except for maybe Lizzy Hale and actually probably just Lizzy Hale. I think every single band struggled with the Black Sabbath covers.

Michael (08:02.956)
Yeah, a lot of them did.

Sebastian (08:04.975)
Like we'll get to the worst band of the night, which.

Michael (08:08.94)
What? Come on. But I have theory about that too, because I know where you're going with that.

Sebastian (08:10.769)
We'll get to them later. Yeah. But it's.

I think Macedon did great on their cover. It was interesting that the singer was singing it too. Sorry, the drummer was singing.

Michael (08:24.62)
Yeah. The drummer. Yeah. Cause my brand's got more of the, Aussie type voice than.

Sebastian (08:29.895)
But for real, even with Metallica, who has done many Black Sabbath covers, James still struggled with the vocal of it, right? Yeah. So I think as a general statement, every band struggled with it. Except for Anthrax, Musically, it was all great. Everything was good. Well, we'll get to the musical deficiencies of certain people later on. I just want to say

Michael (08:33.966)
We'll get we'll get we'll get we'll get there. we'll get there.

Michael (08:43.702)
except for Anthrax. Into the Void was awesome. It was awesome. But we'll get to Anthrax.

Michael (08:54.198)
Ha ha ha!

Sebastian (08:57.671)
You know, if you're coming in here for us to just to say how amazing a 10 out of 10 and just like really pump the tires of this concert, this is not the podcast for you because we Mike and I like to break apart whatever topic we're doing and talk about the good and bad things. You know, we're giving you guys a critique of what we thought and we're not just going to be like homers and saying it's 10 out of 10. Everything was amazing because let's face it, any concert you can go to, you can go like there's positives and negatives. And that's what we try to do.

Michael (09:13.133)
Yeah, sure.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Michael (09:25.998)
Because even looking at the social media, everyone's like, Guns N' Roses were great and this and that were great. you know, great, so great, so great to see Bill Ward on drums. Okay, sure.

Sebastian (09:31.509)
no they weren't!

Sebastian (09:36.699)
Dude, when he took his shirt off, you're like, put your shirt back on.

Michael (09:40.334)
That's kind of when I lost it. I'm like, I'm out. can't do this. It's like, it's like, I was just a scary old man. Anyways, we'll get to the, the no shirt. So I, so the next band up was rival sons and they had a rotating stage. you know, Macedon, yeah, Macedon stops the stage spins 180 and then the next band's gear is right there, ready to go. Oh, sure.

Sebastian (09:42.375)
That's fine. Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian (09:53.561)
I wanna talk about that.

Sebastian (09:58.416)
It's

It's production genius because what it allows, so for those that don't know, yeah, like Mike's right, there's a rotating stage, it's cut in half, it just spins 180. And so as the band is playing, the next band up is already setting up their equipment behind the stage. And then when they're off, they just flip the stage 180. It allowed a lot faster time between bands. So it was like 10 minutes maybe, and then the next band was playing. So yeah.

Michael (10:25.708)
Yeah, it was pretty quick. so I have never listened to the rival songs before in my life. And I was like, who are these guys? And they come out. I'm like, these aren't like, I'm like, okay, you had Macedon first. And I'm like, these guys aren't even like, they don't even look metal. They look like they're from the seventies. I'm like, okay. I'm no, they're not. And, but they start, they started with their first song, which was do your worst. And I'm like, okay. Then I'm like, this is oddly very black Sabbath from the early days.

Sebastian (10:30.673)
They're

Sebastian (10:41.143)
They're not a metal band. They're a rock band. They're like...

Michael (10:53.006)
I'm like, this is like first two records, black Sabbath. I'm like, all right. I'm like that they're riff that the riff rock go in and the singer, Matt dude had hats and pipes out there barefoot in a suit. That's it. It's a great look. Um, I thought they were really cool. And then most bands played their cover last, but they decided to put their cover second, which I thought was kind of neat. did electric funeral, which

Sebastian (10:56.731)
Yeah.

Sebastian (11:00.261)
He's good. He's really good.

Yeah.

Sebastian (11:15.801)
Yeah, I guess you can think of black rival sons as like more of like a hard rock version of the black crows. Almost they're very black, rosy. But a little bit harder. Yeah.

Michael (11:23.212)
Yeah, that's kind of the vibe I was getting was just sort of a harder edge. Yeah. Harder edge black rose. Yeah. And Electric Funeral, it's a good song. They kind of just played it, which I liked. All the bands didn't go, we're going to do our own version of the song and sort of make it weird. We're just going to play the song for the most part.

Sebastian (11:33.019)
Yeah.

Sebastian (11:40.997)
Yep.

Sebastian (11:45.465)
Yeah, I think, I think I wrote like going back to my notes, I kept writing like the singer is awesome. Like Ravel Sunsinger, he's, he's dialed in.

Michael (11:51.116)
Yeah. Yeah, he was good. He was really good. He started out like a Michael Hutchins from NXS kind of like look to him. I'm like,

Sebastian (11:57.87)
Also, one of the very few that did not struggle with the Black Sabbath cover. Like he nailed it, killed it. Yeah.

Michael (12:01.966)
No, no, he killed it. Yeah, he absolutely killed it. So yeah, and then then they played a third song called secret, which I didn't know that either, but it was cool. I was like, okay, these guys are really good. And it's just like the first few bands, like the the mix of like sort of genre music was weird. He had, you know, masted on to rival sons and he got anthrax. You're like, okay.

Sebastian (12:14.598)
Yep.

Sebastian (12:23.271)
Yeah, it doesn't seem to fit, right? It's just like, okay, well, but where do you I mean, the only thing I could have thought of is like, maybe you flip gravel sons with Macedon. But I think they wanted Macedon to open because they're a 10 year band that can open a show. Right. So

Michael (12:33.954)
Yeah. I will honestly, I would have rather seen anthrax open. If flip mastodon and anthrax and then you put, yeah, you put, you, you put mastodon third. So it, whatever I'm not in, I'm not in charge of setlist and putting bands where they want to be. So, cause I'm sure there wasn't any egos of where these people wanted to play because like none, but so anthrax open with Indians, which I found weird.

Sebastian (12:38.627)
Actually, that's a good point. That could have been impossible.

Sebastian (12:45.145)
Yeah, that could have been a good thing.

Sebastian (12:57.389)
None whatsoever.

Michael (13:03.746)
Cause just like, no, I like, I like some, I like some anthrax stuff. Like I like cotton, a mosh. I like the John Bush stuff more than the Bella Donna stuff. don't know many songs, except for the public enemy, whatever song that yeah. Thank you. Bring the noise. Like I know that and you know, and Scott Ian with the, with the, that, that goatee thing. I just wanted to go up there with a razor. Just, I don't think so because it doesn't look like it.

Sebastian (13:05.571)
Are you a big anthrax fan? Yeah, neither am I.

Sebastian (13:16.239)
Yeah.

Sebastian (13:20.155)
Bring the noise!

Sebastian (13:27.847)
Dude, I don't think he's shaved his goatee in like 40 years.

Michael (13:33.262)
But I kept wanting to go up on stage. I just want to shave that thing off. Just get a razor and just shave it. But it needed was good. It's songs not really for me. It's just strange. It is. And it seemed to go on. It just went on forever for me. was like, OK, stop. then. But then they rocked into the void. I was just like. And they did it so well, it was super heavy. was the way it was supposed to be done. And Bella Donna, I think Bella Donna killed it because his voice is

Sebastian (13:37.018)
Yeah.

Sebastian (13:44.975)
Yeah.

Sebastian (13:51.109)
Yeah, that's a good.

Sebastian (13:58.685)
Yep.

Michael (14:02.915)
Again, he's that 80s metal guy. So he's got that, the Aussie-isms.

Sebastian (14:05.894)
Yeah.

They only played two songs, I think, right?

Michael (14:10.166)
It says they only play two. think they might've added cotton to mosh like in a montage in the middle of Indians.

Sebastian (14:16.123)
Maybe the setlist is just wrong. There's a lot to go through. I can't remember everything. So I'm trying to go by my notes here. Yeah.

Michael (14:20.406)
Yeah, like we'll be here all night if we're gonna nitpick everything. But did you like Anthrax? I know you're not a big Anthrax guy either, like they're tight. Like they're tight. Yeah. Great performers. No.

Sebastian (14:28.337)
They're fine. Yeah, they're fine. Like, I mean, they serve the purpose, right? Like, but I'm not a big anthrax musical. I don't know what it is about it. They just seem like they're just the black sheep of the thrash metal genre, right? They're, I shouldn't say black sheep, but they're out of the big four. They're the worst. I don't want to say that too loudly because you put Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth or Megadeth Slayer, depending on who you ask. And then anthrax.

Michael (14:42.158)
A little. No.

Michael (14:48.288)
Well, but they're also the sure.

Well, I'd probably go, well, it's tough. I wouldn't say they're black. They're not the worst. They're just the most, I think they're the most diverse because they added the hip hop element. were always like, they weren't straight up thrash. were, you know, they the hip hop stuff and then the nineties, well, every band changed in the nineties except for Slayer. Slayer stayed Slayer.

Sebastian (15:06.331)
That's a good point.

Sebastian (15:10.715)
That's a very good point. were the most willing to try different things early on in their career than any of the other big four, right? So, yeah.

Michael (15:17.474)
Yes. Yeah. And whether it worked or not, they were willing to try where none of the other big four were really. yeah. So, so up next we got hail storm.

Sebastian (15:25.767)
Yeah, that's a good point actually. Yeah.

Michael (15:31.846)
I don't really have, I am, because I really have nothing good to say about Hailstorm. I don't like them. the song, the Love Bite song, I thought was not good. It's just, not for me. It's not my, it's too modern, rocky for me. It's like radio rock, and I'm just like, meh, right? And I was just.

Sebastian (15:35.121)
Don't do me dirty. Don't do me dirty.

Really?

Sebastian (15:51.11)
Well, you might, okay. All right. I'll say this. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I kind of think she was my MVP in terms of like the energy that she brought. She was so excited to be there. Lizzy Hale and she, and

Michael (16:03.426)
Okay?

She was. I think she was too excited. think that for me.

Sebastian (16:10.543)
She was, she's living her best life.

Michael (16:12.462)
She's living the dream. I think that might've got for me for her vocals, I got the best of her because she just, she couldn't contain herself. I have a Perry, but they played Perry Mason, which I thought was cool.

Sebastian (16:24.101)
That came out of nowhere.

Michael (16:25.826)
I'm like, sweet, cause you figured everyone's gonna be playing early Sabbath, early Aussie. Yeah, so at that, it is, but it is.

Sebastian (16:30.235)
Dude, I love the fact that they played Perry Mason. That was such a deep, well, it's not a deep cut because it was like the single off of the album, but I would never in a million years would I expect Perry Mason to come out at the tribute show. Like you just don't. And I will, I will frankly say that that might've been the best cover of the night by any bad Perry Mason, cause it may not, but.

Michael (16:41.516)
No, no, it was awesome. Like it was really cool.

Michael (16:53.006)
Cool, okay, all right, okay.

Sebastian (17:00.295)
I thought Hailstorm was great where they were slaughtered. They only played three songs. They came out with so much energy and like she was she's a great front woman. I mean, obviously there's like we'll get into the other ones which were even better. But yeah, I it was three songs. They nailed the cover of Perry Mason. I don't have anything bad to say about Hailstorm. But I do understand that some people like it's a good point when you're looking at this tribute concert when it's all

Michael (17:04.514)
Yeah.

Michael (17:08.918)
Yeah, she is. She's fabulous.

Michael (17:20.771)
Yeah.

Sebastian (17:30.157)
metal bands from a certain era and then a modern band comes in and it just doesn't fit that well.

Michael (17:36.138)
I would have, if you're gonna go modern, I rather would have seen, well, Slipknot's really, no, I don't think so. I think they were the perfect one, because out of the Chris, like the Daughtries, and those types of, all the hard rock here on the radio nowadays, I think Hailstorm, because she plays with old Explorer, she's like super retro, and she just, she kills it, but I just, it's just not.

Sebastian (17:40.195)
Avenged Sevenfold or somebody like that.

Sebastian (17:50.106)
Yeah.

Sebastian (17:59.602)
She's very talented though, Lizzie. Yeah. You just don't like the band as a band. know, like they're mute. Well, it's not for you. Yeah.

Michael (18:04.832)
No, it wasn't. It wasn't for me. just, they were great, but it wasn't for me. so moving on, you go from modern to super screamy.

Sebastian (18:10.672)
Moving on.

Sebastian (18:14.299)
Yeah, it's a pretty weird going from Hillstone to Lamb of God. That's the heaviest band that they had is Lamb of God. Yeah.

Michael (18:16.366)
man, that's like, yeah. And they were super intense and it's Lamb of God, right? So they played Laid to Rest, which I don't know. I know Redneck. That's like the only song by Lamb of God I really know. I love Randy. Randy's great. He's a fabulous, he's a great front man, but it's the screamy scream again. just, it's not my... Please lay it on me.

Sebastian (18:29.083)
Yep.

Sebastian (18:42.019)
Okay, here's what I will say of Lamb of God. He struggled more than anyone else singing the cover song. Like he definitely like you're like, buddy, you got to

Michael (18:57.282)
Yeah, because at this point my wife came in the room and she were watching Lamb of God and she's like, God, he's really having a hard time. I'm like, wait, he does this. So the second verse he's screaming at him like, cause that's what he does. He's cause he's, he's not a singer, right? Yeah.

Sebastian (19:08.103)
That's what he does. He's a screamer. He's a death metal vocalist. And you know, somebody like Will Ramos, for example, who's a heart metal core screamer, but he can also sing. Like he's got a beautiful singing voice when he goes into that space, right? But what's the Lamagod's front man's name again? Randy? Randy. He definitely struggled when it came to like singing the actual singing parts of Children of the Grave. Like you could tell he was way out of his comfort zone, which is fine, but he just, did it anyways, right?

Michael (19:17.336)
can sing. Yeah. Yep.

Michael (19:24.151)
Randy.

Michael (19:30.478)
Yeah. Yeah, but he did it. Yep. That song, like I was saying to the kid, am I, can you believe this song was written in like 1971? Like, it's like so metal. It's so heavy. And he's like, like, good, good God. I guess just who's doing that back in the day, right? Like, you know, when just nobody does that, it's just, I don't know, those guys for Sabbath were insane.

Sebastian (19:42.584)
It's still current.

Sebastian (19:46.787)
Yeah. Yeah. If you actually think about the breakdown of that song, it's a heavy song.

Sebastian (19:54.62)
Yeah.

Sebastian (19:59.856)
I mean, musically, that's probably one of the best songs for Lamb of God to do because it is a very heavy Black Sabbath song.

Michael (20:04.32)
It, yeah, it's probably the only one really that are under the sun, but that was taken by somebody else. So yeah. Well, like remember when white zombie covered it back in the nineties? man. I know. Where was Rob Zombie? That's a question. Maybe he's yeah. Rob Zombie would have done something, would have done children of the grave. Come out and do that. Right. Do Dracula please. Cause yeah, that just, why was Rob Zombie not there? That's interesting.

Sebastian (20:09.401)
Yeah, that Children of the Grave riff is like it screams death metal. So good. Why wasn't Rob Zombie here? That's a maybe he's filming a movie or something, but I would have assumed White Zombie or Rob Zombie would have been here because.

Sebastian (20:28.483)
If anybody knows, let us know or just make something up and let us know. Yeah.

Michael (20:34.242)
So now we're up to Tom Marilas All-Stars, Supergroup A as they call it. So Supergroup A was comprised of Lizzy Hale, Jakey Lee, which played on two Aussie, eventually. So Jake was a little, that was awesome. That was like the biggest rockstar moment ever.

Sebastian (20:40.679)
Eventually.

That was so fun.

Sebastian (20:51.301)
Okay, so I just want to say something really you'll get back to the super or just finish the super group and then I have a comment about it

Michael (20:55.662)
Okay, so yeah, we had Jakey Lee, Nuno Bencourt, which is your guy, he's your boy. Dave, absolutely, absolutely, rest in peace. David Elfson of Megadeth, Mike Borden, and Adam Wakeman, who is Ozzy's keyboard player.

Sebastian (21:00.773)
Respect to the Diego Jota jersey that he's wearing the Liverpool guy that was killed this weekend. Yeah

Sebastian (21:11.761)
So sorry as I'm just chewing on ice here.

Michael (21:14.36)
That's okay. so I'll, I'll let you chew. they, the band, everybody's out. So Lizzie's out, Nuno, David, Mike Borden, Adam, they're all out on stage and it, and it's just like dead silent. like, where's Jake?

Sebastian (21:23.943)
Awkward silence for 15 to 20 seconds.

The funny thing is all of the band members just start looking around at each other. Like, what are we supposed to do? Cause yeah, so Jakey Lee was supposed to start the song. He's not on stage. He's nowhere to be found. And everyone's looking around and then Lizzie I think goes in the mouth saying, can somebody find Jakey Lee? He's supposed to be on stage.

Michael (21:32.622)
and had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. No.

Michael (21:52.014)
It's amazing. Like it's just so, it's such a rockstar thing, right? but the thing with Jake is he's got arthritis in his hands, carpal tunnel, his hands are a mess. And cause he, instead of, because they were supposed to play bark at the moon instead of the ultimate sin. But he said no, because his hands, he doesn't have the dexterity to do it. And he's, he struggled during shot in the dark. You could tell, but the ultimate city killed it. And I was like, I'm like, okay, so

Sebastian (21:55.226)
Yeah.

Sebastian (22:01.767)
You did really well.

Sebastian (22:16.423)
Yeah, dude, that's a great song.

Michael (22:20.93)
This guy's got carpal tunnel and arthritis in his hands at risk. I, I, I'm a crappy guitar player. I can't even do with this man, a quarter of what this guy can do. Cause I was watching him play and I'm like, Holy shit. Like he's unreal. You just, especially shot in the dark. You're like, yeah, there's nothing going on in that song. It's like, my God. Yeah.

Sebastian (22:29.403)
Yeah.

Sebastian (22:38.321)
There's a lot of nuance in that song that you don't realize. Yeah. I do, I do like, I, that's another song I didn't expect to hear the ultimate sin that ironically, not ironically, but did you know that is the first Ozzy Osbourne song I ever heard. It was the ultimate sin. Yeah.

Michael (22:54.13)
Really? Interesting. thought it was for some reason. I always thought it was Miracle Mat for some reason. Oh, there you go. That was close.

Sebastian (22:57.467)
That's first video I ever watched. But I bought like this CD of like the like Hard Rock Monsters or something. And that was the one Ozzy song they had on the was that tape actually was before CDs were out in like the 80s. So yeah, it's a good song. Well, he wrote that right? That's a Jakey Lee song. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. So I just want to take this moment to talk about the candid candidness of the concert. Like it was very loose.

Michael (23:08.04)
nice. That's such a good song. The Ultima sin is so underrated. It's criminally, it's criminally underrated. It's yes. That's a Jake song. Same a shot in the dark as a Jake song.

Michael (23:24.674)
Yep. yeah.

Sebastian (23:26.661)
Like they weren't worried about all these like perfectionist production things, which was really actually kind of cool because it was more like all these bands were getting together to celebrate Ozzy and just play and just have a good time. They weren't really concerned about, like the specific perfect dynamics of how everything should go. They just kind of like went for it, right? And the fact that Jakey Lee wasn't on stage and they had to call him out was just added to the

Michael (23:32.044)
No.

Michael (23:54.734)
It was almost like the highlight of the day. was just like, this is, yeah.

Sebastian (23:56.754)
Tito is so funny because they're just awkwardly looking at each other like, is Jake around? He's supposed to be on stage. Is he gonna come?

Michael (24:01.538)
Yeah. Is he coming or? Yeah. Yeah. So Lizzie only did the one song. and she killed it. Like she, she absolutely, she murdered the ultimate sin. Like she. And I was like, okay, that was so much better than her, like the hail storm stuff. Yeah. And, so then we get next up, we have a bit of a lineup change, change singers. Lizzie's out and David Draymond from Disturbed comes in and he proceeds to get booed.

Sebastian (24:11.727)
Yeah, dude, so good. So good.

Sebastian (24:18.275)
Again, she was super happy to be here, right?

Sebastian (24:32.187)
Well, do know why?

Michael (24:33.814)
Not really. I heard he's kind of a dick, I don't know if that's the reason.

Sebastian (24:36.715)
No, so there is this thing where he apparently Okay, I did a little bit of research on it I looked it up I just watched it from a tick tock so I don't know how valid this is maybe somebody can help explain it for me, but he's involved in controversy because he went to like a military camp and like was autographing like bombs or something and so based on what's going on in the globe right now a lot of people had a problem with him being there because

Michael (24:44.226)
Okay.

Michael (24:56.82)
yes.

Michael (25:01.632)
And the... Yeah, and he's... He's Jewish too, so Israel's been bombing the shit out of everybody and, okay.

Sebastian (25:04.057)
you know, he's connected to the military and whatnot. So yes, yes, yes. So that is a bit of an issue, right? So

Michael (25:12.802)
So my hypothesis that he's a dick is true then. he's a dick. Whatever. Yeah, whatever. I didn't think his vocals in that song were very good. It's just me. I didn't, he was fine. He was the wrong voice for Shot in the Dark. I rather would have seen Lizzie sing Shot in the Dark, honestly. I think she would have killed that too.

Sebastian (25:16.024)
Maybe yeah, you guys can make your own mind up about that.

Sebastian (25:26.097)
He was fine.

Sebastian (25:31.526)
Yeah.

Sebastian (25:34.883)
Yeah, I think they did her a little dirty. Like I think she should have been involved more. But I mean, obviously she's new artists. Basically, she's not an established artist. There's so many. Yeah, it's like the next Joan Jett basically.

Michael (25:41.25)
Yeah, she's kind of the future of hard rock, like front person. And yeah, and then, you know, we get another cover, we get same band with Dave Draymond. Scott Ian comes out this time for Sweet Leaf, which it was fine. It was whatever. And then big surprise, which I never would have thought, Whitfield Crane of Ugly Kid Joe. That was awesome. It was like, my kid's like, who's that guy? I'm like that, I'm like.

Sebastian (26:04.103)
Yeah, that was crazy! He was like, what the f-

And the drummer from Sleep Token. Vessel 2, yeah.

Michael (26:10.446)
And we had also, we had sleep token too. Yeah. We had number two come out and with his wackadoo outfit. And so we're all asking each other, does he walk around? Cause I was explaining what the whole sleep token mythos is, right? Like no one knows who they are, blah, blah. I'm like, does he walk around? Right? Yeah. Yeah. And no one knows who he is. And, but.

Sebastian (26:29.115)
Does he arrive there like that or does he arrive as a person and get changed backstage and then come out? That's a good question.

Well, you would know at the airport.

Michael (26:38.914)
They probably cause he's not going on a You imagined getting on a flight like, Hey, how's it going? I'm a, I'm sleep talking to, well, what's your real name? We can't, I can't tell you it's now I'm vessel. That's my real name is vessel too.

Sebastian (26:40.473)
He's not dressed like that on a flight over, I assume.

Sebastian (26:48.997)
Vessel2. So your first name is Vessel, your last name is 2, like,

Michael (26:54.786)
Yeah. But Whitfield absolutely. man. Whitfield is awesome. was like, he is, he's just, cause I think of the product of the band he's in that nobody knows remembers.

Sebastian (26:59.119)
He's a very underrated singer actually. Like he's really good.

Sebastian (27:05.499)
What was kind of like a joke band back in the day, like.

Michael (27:08.034)
Little bit. were just like the song neighbor and they, you know, they got fit and got big with a cover and stuff like that. And their cover of NIB back in the day was really good. Like I think that was on the notivity and black tribute thing. I think, think it was NIB. Don't quote me on that.

Sebastian (27:13.275)
Yeah.

Sebastian (27:23.055)
Yeah, off the tribute album. Yeah.

Michael (27:24.716)
Yeah. And then, okay. So for me, one of the best songs is up next. When I think this guy, Youngblood, he's, he's my MVP of the vocalists. Holy shit. He, like it, like I was like, okay. And then we're all like, who's this guy? And I had no idea who he was. And I'm like, all right. So we had young, young blood, Nuno, Frank Bello from Anthrax, vessel two and Adam Wakeman.

Sebastian (27:35.077)
He's the future of Hard Rock, man. Yeah. That performance of changes was amazing.

Michael (27:54.865)
and changes.

Sebastian (27:56.818)
So a lot of people talk about young blood as being like the reincarnation of Ozzy Osbourne because he has so many similar traits of when Ozzy was that age. Like they're into the same stuff. They watch the same type of movies. They have the same kind of like youthful energy of when Ozzy was there. And there's like this interview with like Kelly and Jack and Sharon Osbourne and they're just looking at each other. You know, like this kid is Ozzy from 30, 40 years ago. His mannerisms, like the way he speaks. Yeah.

Michael (28:01.602)
Yeah, I think so.

Michael (28:07.926)
Interesting.

Michael (28:21.11)
Interesting. Hey, he's so good. Like I was, I was an instant fan. So, and, and, and when I said earlier about that, people not changing covers and making it their own and stupid, they changed it. They just added, they actually added and made it better in my opinion. When adding the drums in the solo, like Nuno solo was just like, man, Nuno is just, he's the man.

Sebastian (28:27.163)
He's a great frontman.

Sebastian (28:42.981)
He was the best guitarist out of anybody on that day. He was so crisp and clean. He's the one that never made a mistake, but he is a perfectionist guitarist. So we'll talk about other people making mistakes, but...

Michael (28:45.574)
yeah.

Michael (28:51.19)
Yeah. Yes.

absolutely. and then so after this, it's set change time. We have it pans out goes to like a recording studio and you see Jack Black.

Sebastian (29:07.781)
Yes, playing with the kids.

Michael (29:08.974)
playing with the kids kind of school of rockish and he's got with him he's got jack black revel ian which is scotty and son roman morello yeah tom morello's son yo yoko soma which he's apparently some drum prodigy kid and hugo weiss which i don't know he's the keyboard player whatever that

Sebastian (29:19.303)
This is Tom Morello, son.

Sebastian (29:31.009)
they could have put a Rob Trujillo set in there maybe but I guess they wanted they already had their lineup I guess maybe but yeah

Michael (29:35.618)
They already had their bass player in there. Jack Black is such a good impressionist. Like he's, sang it like Ozzy sang it 40 years ago. Like it was so, it was so cool. Just with the outfit and he's like, he's just all fat and shit. He doesn't care. And he's got like the tassels hanging off his coat, the beard. he just murdered it. It's it's everywhere. Like, yeah. But I gotta say Roman Morello played Mr. Crowley note for note.

Sebastian (29:42.076)
Yep.

He totally, yeah.

Sebastian (29:52.262)
that beard too and the, his beard's growing sideways, man. Like it's just making his head look bigger and bigger.

Sebastian (30:06.097)
So good, right?

Michael (30:06.702)
Absolutely. He's a better guitar player than his dad. Like he really is. That kid is insane. Absolutely. was just, I might like my jaw and all of them were great. Like all the musicians in that room were fabulous. That you think, right? Yeah. You're around all this stuff your whole life is you, something that's

Sebastian (30:12.197)
Yeah, he's not bad.

Sebastian (30:17.667)
Yeah, I mean, it's got a good pedigree to to learn from, right?

Sebastian (30:26.253)
Imagine practicing as Roman and then your dad's walking by I'm like you're playing that wrong. You're like dad seriously

Michael (30:29.922)
Yeah, right. Yeah, stop it. Yeah, exactly. So they just did the one song with Mr. Crowley and Roman was playing Randy Rhoads' polka dot flying V, which I thought was even cooler. so next up we go back to live. got to Alice in Chains. well, it was with first and then I got to see fairies. They did fairies wear boots later. They replayed it later. That was the best of the three songs they did.

Sebastian (30:40.316)
Yeah.

Sebastian (30:46.247)
with or without their technical difficulties.

Sebastian (30:53.231)
Yeah, they replayed it later on. They like brought it back. So.

Michael (30:59.094)
Aside from the, yeah, aside from the, the false start, which fair enough, their drummer's got, he's not healthy. There's something going on with him. cause they just canceled their whole tour. Like they just stopped. He's, he's sick of something. We don't know, but they did their bed and I thought they were like flat and they were energy-less. They weren't good. Like they weren't good. Like it was just like, it's like, all right. He did. I think I was saying, I think he was off and I think he was sick.

Sebastian (30:59.279)
And there's no sound for it. Yeah.

Sebastian (31:07.209)
I... Okay.

Sebastian (31:18.277)
Yeah, they weren't and Their singer struggled too. I think he was off. He was off. Yeah

Michael (31:28.078)
I really think he had a cold or something going on because his voice was like, he's an amazing singer and he was just off. Like it just was one of those days. So yeah, they played man in the box, which whatever, wood was whatever, but it was fine until the vocals. The vocals were like out of key. It was just weird. And then.

Sebastian (31:31.429)
That would make sense, because he's pretty good usually.

Sebastian (31:48.091)
Yeah, it's like he couldn't quite hit the note he was supposed to and you know, he was out of breath a little bit.

Michael (31:50.774)
No, but they're young man songs that, and those are young man songs and these guys aren't young dudes. just, yeah, so you're trying to emulate a 25 year old when you're pushing 50, it's And then.

Sebastian (31:57.85)
I mean, you're trying to emulate lane Saley too, which is impossible.

Sebastian (32:05.167)
Yeah, you're right. They kind of look like they were just there. Like they were like, if you look at the energy that Lizzie Hale had when she came on stage and then you look at the energy from Alice in Chains, like it's just so polarizingly different, right?

Michael (32:07.426)
Yeah, they were just there.

Michael (32:14.572)
Yep. And especially going from like Believer Changes, which was like jaw-droppingly awesome. And then Jack Black doing his thing. And then it's just like, they were just like, they were just there. was just...

Sebastian (32:24.614)
Yep.

Yeah, I think yeah, you're right. So my biggest problem was with his singing like he was just off He wasn't it wasn't great

Michael (32:34.382)
Like it made me realize, I'm like, I'm good if I never see them live. Like I just, I'm good. And I'm like, I'm out, they're a band I don't need to see. So yeah, so we won't spend much time on them cause we're going, we're going, we're going. So now Gojira, which this is the band me and my son were both, one of the ones that we really wanted to see. And they, they did not disappoint. They are just, they are so awesome. So awesome. And so they opened with Stranded and Silvera both off of

Sebastian (32:38.566)
Yeah.

Sebastian (32:44.955)
We got some things to get to.

Sebastian (32:57.339)
They're very good life. Yeah.

Michael (33:03.488)
Magma, which I thought was kind of interesting.

Sebastian (33:04.899)
My my only problem with Gojira is the vocals weren't loud enough. The music drowned out the vocals. So. Just from the first part of the day, like it got better later on, like so, like obviously when Ozzy and Metallica in Blacksat, like the vocals are great there. But yeah, like you couldn't hear him. You couldn't hear the words he was saying.

Michael (33:08.898)
They weren't. And that was a common thing. Yeah, that was a common thing throughout the day that, yeah, it did.

Michael (33:20.174)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, which was a shame because the vocals are such a big part of their sound. It's just it was a shame.

Sebastian (33:31.267)
It was just not mixed the way it should have been. Right. And there's nothing that the band could do about that. That's up to the sound guys to do it. Right.

Michael (33:33.25)
No.

no, they were at the mercy of the sound guys. And then I found interesting when they said, when they did their Sabbath cover, they're like, we don't do covers. This is probably the only one. Like we're not a cover band. we're never, we don't, it's not what we do.

Sebastian (33:48.668)
Did you pick up on his comment about, he was talking about like, well, here we're gonna do our patented cover, you know, just like the rest of the bands who are running around with like the lyric sheets, trying to learn the verse last minute. I wanted to see the behind the scenes before where the people are like sitting there like, God, God, God, God, I don't know if I can do this, I don't know I can do this, I can't remember the notes.

Michael (33:57.058)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's, you know,

Michael (34:10.56)
And that's one thing I would have liked to seen more was more stuff. Yeah. Cause there obviously were cameras back there. Come on. Like you could have just been, I would, yeah. what? what now? Well, what DVD? There you go. so they did it under the sun. It was good. It was the only Gojira or Sabah song Gojira could probably do that makes sort of fits their sound.

Sebastian (34:13.989)
behind the scenes. Yeah.

That's coming out in a DVD later on probably.

Sebastian (34:23.719)
a streaming service later.

Sebastian (34:34.661)
Going back a little bit further though, they had the opera singer that came out for the French Revolution song, which was nice too. So.

Michael (34:37.826)
They did, yeah. She was, and she was into it. She was really into it. It was really cool. Do we want to talk about the drum off? I thought it was stupid. That was just me. It was a waste of time. No, cause I was.

Sebastian (34:43.525)
Yeah.

Sebastian (34:48.545)
It didn't seem in sync. It seemed like they were going for something, then they like realized, let's just move through it and move on. Yeah.

Michael (34:54.222)
This isn't working and like Chad Smith at one point was like, all right, he's like, I don't know whatever so it was it was it was whatever it was

Sebastian (35:02.383)
Yeah, it seems like it wasn't even rehearsed or it was just like just have three guys go on there and figure it out. And they were like, sure, I guess.

Michael (35:04.59)
No, it probably wasn't.

But we made comments of the funny how the drum sets like Danny Carey's was like the size of a football field. And then Travis Barker's was a son of Travis Barker's and then Chad Smith was just a regular one. So he had like tiny to gigantic to normal. And this is like, and my son's like, does Danny Carey need all those drums? I'm like, yes, yes he does. He literally does. He uses them all. They're not just there for show. So.

Sebastian (35:13.831)
Four times the size of everybody else

Sebastian (35:23.505)
Yeah.

That was kind of funny. Yes, he actually does. Yeah.

Sebastian (35:35.172)
Yeah.

Michael (35:35.374)
Yeah, the drum off, whatever. Travis Barker, he's a hell of a drummer. He's awesome. Too bad he's in Blink 182. That's just, you know, I just gotta say, again, not my style. So now,

Sebastian (35:39.374)
Is he though?

Yeah.

Sebastian (35:46.512)
Yeah, I was okay. Like, yeah, the drum off was just like, I mean, I would have liked them to actually do it. Because they didn't seem to be a drum off at all. They just had three drummers on stage. And then they all have their like, moments of solo work on the drums. Yeah, like, whatever. Yeah.

Michael (35:54.498)
Yes.

Michael (36:00.738)
And then they jam symptom of the universe. You're like, all right, whatever. Yeah. But so, so super group B comes out, which we have Billy Corgan, Tom Morello, KK Downing from Judas Priest, Adam Jones, Rudy Sarzo and Danny Carey, which I got to say, Adam Jones is the most fascinating guy to watch playing guitar. Cause he looks like he doesn't give a flying fuck about anything. And he does not want to be there. Cause he just, the space was like stone faced the whole time.

Sebastian (36:08.848)
Yes.

Sebastian (36:24.465)
Yeah.

Sebastian (36:30.821)
That's tool for you though, You don't you get enigmatic characters basically.

Michael (36:32.073)
But that's too old for it. He's just...

Yes. Cause Maynard's into it and the bass player is super into it. Danny Carey's doing his thing that I'm doing. She's just like, what, whatever, man. I'm just, I'm just here. So yeah. So this first group, they did break in the law by Judas Priest, which I thought Corgan, Corgan nailed it. Corgan was all. Yeah. Corgan. Well, he's got an Aussie sounding voice though. If you think about it.

Sebastian (36:41.168)
Yeah.

Sebastian (36:49.253)
Yeah. Yeah, he was good.

Sebastian (36:54.853)
The funny thing about Billy Corrigan is like he can do metal, but like you've known him from Smashing Pumpkins, which is an alternative rock band. He has these moments where he really wants to tap into this metal vibe. Right. So there's a lot of heavy stuff on that.

Michael (36:58.204)
sure he can, but he doesn't want it. He just doesn't, doesn't want to do that.

Michael (37:07.074)
Yep. Well, yeah, like their newest record. There's a lot of heavy stuff on there. Yep. so then they breaking laws. It was good. It was faithful. It was, it was a great priest cover. Then they did snow blind again with Billy, same band, which I thought was awesome because snow blinds such a great song. And then things for me got a little strange when Sammy Hagar came out. was just fit.

Sebastian (37:21.615)
Yep. Yes.

Sebastian (37:31.419)
He did not. It looked like he was unsure of what to do.

Michael (37:35.756)
Well, because he's like a hundred.

Sebastian (37:38.727)
Well, I mean, everybody was 100 at this concert.

Michael (37:39.182)
Well, true enough, everybody is 70 plus. But he seemed very uncomfortable singing Ozzy Osbourne songs. Or the one Ozzy Osbourne song. So I don't really want to hang out.

Sebastian (37:47.452)
Yeah.

Sebastian (37:52.069)
Well, he did his no, he did flying high first, then he did his rock candy song. Yeah.

Michael (37:55.63)
It did rock candy, which made it all about himself. I'm like, we don't care. I found that kind of like, like, Cape, check your ego at the door there, mister. Like we know you've been around for just as long and rock candy kind of sucks. Just saying.

Sebastian (38:05.009)
Yeah.

Sebastian (38:08.837)
Yeah, and that goes back to my comment is that a lot of people struggled with the Black Sabbath cover songs. And it's just like, why they're not that difficult vocally to sing really, like if you if you break down the notes, but I think there was just so much to do and so like, I have to imagine every band only had what 1520 minutes to rehearse on that stage really? Yeah, and it was just all like

Michael (38:12.482)
Yeah. Yep.

No, no.

Michael (38:29.016)
Well, especially, especially the super groups too, right? Because they probably didn't even get together and do they just like, yeah, okay. You guys know flying high again. Great. We're going to do that. no. Yeah.

Sebastian (38:35.132)
Just.

Sebastian (38:38.459)
they didn't have time to rehearse really to really solidify that and but again, it wasn't about that. It was the celebration of songs and stuff and it kind of added to the amazement of it. The fact that there was so many candid moments of just looseness where they're just like, whatever, just go out there and play. If you get it right, you get it right. You don't you don't and I love that. I love that looseness feeling because nobody was nobody was upset or

Michael (38:43.916)
No. Yes.

Michael (38:52.139)
yeah.

Michael (38:56.887)
You don't. Yeah.

Sebastian (39:05.208)
Nothing was an issue if there was a mistake. They just kind of just did it right so They saved bark at the moon for new to bend and core. Do you realize that's the next song they played after that so

Michael (39:14.798)
Yeah, of course. Because that was like Nuno's tribute to Jake was playing that song. Cause Jake couldn't do it. And we had Papa, Papa five, Perpetua come out and do it. I don't like his outfit. think it's, it's, I don't know. He's fine. Like vocally he's great, but I just, the aesthetic, I'm like, all right, well, Mike, I like the last Papa. was better or even all the ones before that. This one's just.

Sebastian (39:21.126)
Yeah.

Sebastian (39:26.437)
Yeah.

Yeah, it was weird, wasn't it?

Sebastian (39:35.963)
Yeah.

Sebastian (39:41.519)
Yeah, he's wearing like a he's wearing he's wearing a mask.

Michael (39:44.27)
It's like a half max, like he's like an eyes wide shut with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman in that.

Sebastian (39:48.954)
Yeah, he's wearing a mask that you would wear if you broke your nose in a basketball game and then you needed to play the next game. So you wear like that protective mask or soccer players wear the same thing after they've broken their nose to protect their face. Yeah. Yeah.

Michael (39:52.322)
Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's just weird. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's just strange. And then for me, which I had no idea this was going to happen. Steven Tyler comes out. Nobody did. And I was like, my God, Steven Tyler. my God.

Sebastian (40:06.639)
Nobody did, I don't think. So speaking back to the candice, candice, miss the looseness of it. Did you hear him talking on the mic when he wasn't on stage? He was like, Hey, I can't hear my mic, but everyone else could hear your mic and you could hear it. He's not on stage and he's like, I can't hear my Nike camera. Nike. Hey, check,

Michael (40:14.38)
Yeah. Yeah. You could hear it. was. Yeah. We, yeah, we all heard you, buddy. Yeah.

Michael (40:25.334)
And I was, and I wasn't sure who that was. I'm like, who is that? I'm like, all right. And then he came out and I was like, and he was so good. So good. Yeah. Of course he doesn't probably doesn't know any Ozzy or Sabbath songs, which fair enough. He's like 77 years old. Give the guy break. so he came out with a Ron Wood from the Rolling Stones, which I thought was cool. Andrew Watt, which he's basically the stones producer now. Nuno Tamarello, Sarzo on bass again, and Travis Barker. They did train, kept the rolling. Amazing.

Sebastian (40:28.389)
Yeah, he's dude, he sounded he sounded great. So good.

Sebastian (40:44.421)
Yeah, didn't expect, yeah.

Michael (40:55.158)
And then they went right in to walk this way. I'm like, hell yeah. was so, my, it was amazing. And then they did a little snippet of a whole lot of love.

Sebastian (40:58.609)
Yeah.

Sebastian (41:03.271)
I do not expect that Led Zeppelin cover. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah.

Michael (41:05.292)
Yeah, right. Exactly. So for me now, the, after they were done, I was like, man, Steven Tyler's back. He's the man. I'm like, I want some new Aerosmith. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he was great. And then we get to Pantera, which, so we had gripes with them last summer when we saw them, we couldn't hear the guitar. That was our big.

Sebastian (41:15.719)
He's 77, man. He looked like he's still in his 40s singing. Like he was great. He was so good.

Okay.

Can I say it?

Sebastian (41:32.295)
Okay, well you could definitely hear the guitar now. Was the guitar.

Michael (41:34.058)
All we could hear this time was the guitar, and it was awful.

Sebastian (41:39.088)
Well, okay, I'm going to say this for somebody that's been playing in Pantera for like the last year and a half. How is he struggling with Cowboys from Hell? Like that the main riff is like is syncopated in the off beats after like the flanger part, but he's Zach was struggling to play that song. I'm like, you're off. Your timing is off. Even walk was.

Michael (41:40.546)
For me, it was awful.

Michael (41:45.186)
Yeah.

Seriously. Right?

Michael (41:57.582)
Yep. Yep. Yep. It was way off. And the walk was weird. Planet, actually, but Planet Caravan, I will say was amazing. And then we didn't need a second version of Electric Funeral. I thought that was kind of lazy. But the other cover Pantera did of Sabbath was Hole in the Sky, which we all know another band did Hole in the Sky in like an hour and a half after this. So whatever.

Sebastian (42:08.367)
Yes. Yeah.

Sebastian (42:16.955)
Dude.

Sebastian (42:27.944)
I, yeah, I was very-

Michael (42:28.47)
I'm done with Pantera. If they put it anywhere, I'm not gonna, I'm out. I'm just out.

Sebastian (42:32.709)
I will say that Zach definitely redeemed himself when he came back with Ozzy in a big way. And I have an issue with that specific set, which I'll talk about, but it's just purely from a guitar standpoint. yeah, like when he went into Cowboys, like, they had that extended flanger part, like it was just playing, playing, playing while Phil was talking loop, which is kind of cool, right? Because you're like, you're amping it up. But when he started playing it, I'm like, Zach, you know the song, like what's going on?

Michael (42:35.694)
well, we'll get there. We'll get there.

Michael (42:48.844)
Yep. It was just, this is being, it was just looped, right? Yep.

Michael (43:00.59)
Yeah, it was. Maybe, I don't, yeah, maybe he was hearing it like, he was hearing it a fraction, like behind. He was just behind. Yeah, so I don't wanna dwell, but funny thing is, cause we were talking, joking just a minute ago how everybody's old, Charlie Benante looks like he's 40, he's 62. Like clearly he dyes his hair, fair enough, whatever. But he's got no wrinkles, he's got nothing. The dude is like, my wife's like, how?

Sebastian (43:01.263)
It's awkward. Maybe there's something with the monitors or something, but.

Sebastian (43:09.635)
It was off. It was off. Both the Pantera songs. Yeah.

Sebastian (43:28.839)
Yeah, he looks timeless, Yeah. Yeah, that's the drummer, by the way.

Michael (43:30.028)
He's timeless. guy doesn't age. I'm like, it's like, wow, hats off to you, Charlie. he's so awesome. and then another band is up next that I was really looking forward to was tool. And I don't care. They were awesome. They didn't, they didn't fit at all.

Sebastian (43:43.835)
They didn't fit.

They were great. They were okay. Musically great. Fine. Amazing. They're all good. They were really good. They were really good. But this tool really fit with the rest of the bands in here. Dude, I'm listening to Cowboys from Hell right now is just so rough. It's so rough. It's so

Michael (43:53.666)
I thought Maynard was really good too. Yep.

Michael (44:01.262)
you

Michael (44:04.974)
I think they fit as well as the rival Sons do. You need some diversity. Their choices of songs were kind of odd. Like 46 and 2 in Aynema. No, they played two songs off their second record, or the third record if you were going over and nitpicking. And then they did an amazing cover of Hand of Doom.

Sebastian (44:18.939)
They didn't play anything current.

Sebastian (44:23.696)
Yeah.

Sebastian (44:28.901)
Okay. So yeah, their hand of doom was very good. It was very, very good.

Michael (44:31.704)
Cause what other tool cover are you gonna do with this? It's is all base all day long anyway. So you do hand to do, which is really good.

Sebastian (44:37.913)
It's funny though, like it's actually kind of if you think about it, it is a perfect song for them to do because it's kind of in that same mood that they usually get into. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah. And to be fair, you're right, Maynard Maynard killed it like he was so good vocally. So yeah.

Michael (44:43.958)
It is. It's like it's like Numa, Vicarious, all these bass intro songs that are just what Tool does.

They, yeah, they, well, except for Adam's look on his face, they were all happy to be there. Cause it's just, just, I think so. couldn't get over the fact. He just looked like he just did not care. It was amazing. Really?

Sebastian (45:00.561)
But that's just him. That's just

Dude, I've seen them live, man. He looks like that live. Like he just doesn't know emotion. He just like wanders around plays. Because here's the thing about Tool. I think. I mean, obviously Hand of Doom is not a complicated song, right? But Tool really layers in so much complexity in their songs with like their interesting time signatures and like all over the place that like you can't just casually jump in and play a Tool song. Like there's so many factors that you have to have in your mind.

Michael (45:10.196)
Interesting.

Michael (45:33.464)
No. Yep.

Sebastian (45:35.292)
You know, especially being Danny Carey, like there's not many people in the drummers in the world that can play tool songs. Like I challenge it. Do that is freaking impossible to like, and he's the dream theater drummer. Like he's one of the best. Yes. So there's a lot of layers that go into the tool songs that people don't understand. And the amount of focus and concentration that you have to navigate a typical tool song is quite vast. So.

Michael (45:39.928)
Well, like how long it took Mike Portnoy to figure out Numa Andromio. took him like, it took him like five hours to do it. Yeah. He's captain Prague. Yeah. Right.

Sebastian (46:03.355)
But yeah, and Tool is always about the music. They're not about any one individual. That's why Maynard's always plays in the background. So there is no front man for Tool. Maynard's in the back. So quite literally in the back.

Michael (46:07.554)
No, yeah, it's just they're like a collective. It's just, they're just, they're, no, there isn't. And the other two are, which I was really cool. Okay, so you did watch Slayer, so I'll just, I'll go, I'm gonna, my God. So I don't like Slayer that much. Like I don't like, cause to me all their songs, like they're a great thrash band, but all their songs kind of just, just sort of, they're all the same, right?

Sebastian (46:20.773)
I did not see, only band I didn't watch. I had to get ready for work.

Sebastian (46:33.137)
Well, they're all the same.

Michael (46:35.918)
So they come out and I'm like, Oh yeah, here we go. Carrie King and his stupid warlock guitar and chains. And it's like, get over it. Like whatever. then, and then Tom Mariah walks on stage and my son's like, that's the singer slayer. I'm like, yeah, he's supposed to be like the nicest guy on the planet. It's the, I guess. Yeah. That's the rumor. He's like the greatest guy. And I got to say, cause they haven't been doing like they've, they've retired and well, they do her a little. Yeah. They tour here and there, but when they play some festivals, but Tom Mariah, man, he was good.

Sebastian (46:43.259)
I mean, I, yeah.

Sebastian (46:50.725)
He is a pretty nice guy apparently,

Sebastian (46:57.435)
Well, they're broken up. Like they're done. Like they've stopped, but apparently not.

Michael (47:05.762)
Like he just, he was just, they were on point. Like they were so tight. So they opened with Disciple. yeah, that's, and that's what really got me.

Sebastian (47:11.311)
Yeah, they sounded like they would have sounded 30 years ago. Like they're, they still have the energy, the endurance, the dexterity. Yeah.

Michael (47:19.192)
they were, they were awesome. So they did disciple war ensemble, which that song's pretty kick ass, a wicked, wicked world by the Sabbath cover. They, and they kind of did the first half of wicked world and they went into south of heaven. And for me, right. Yeah. And for me, like raining blood, the mosh pit, cause they had a lot of shots from like, like drum, the drum view. The pit was like the biggest mosh pit I've ever seen in my life. It was literally like, it was almost literally the whole general seating part of the stadium.

Sebastian (47:25.083)
That's a great song.

Sebastian (47:32.583)
So it's kind of like five, yeah.

Sebastian (47:40.678)
Yep.

Sebastian (47:45.159)
You

Michael (47:48.462)
The whole soccer field was like this gigantic circle pit. It was wild. And the crowd were nuts for these guys. And then they finished with Angel of Death. like, when we get to the next band, I'm like, how the hell is Guns N' Roses following this up? Because Slayer was like energy level like Hailstorm, but they were brutal. they just, they did 25 minutes. They got A plus.

Sebastian (47:52.795)
Yeah, the circle of death that they call it in. Yeah.

Sebastian (48:11.775)
It's an onslaught. It's a musical onslaught. They know they knew the assignment. They knew the assignment and they delivered. I mean, I did watch parts of it later. So like I watched the last song, which was Angel of Death and the first song, and then it went to take a shower and get... Yeah. I'll watch it later. I can see, yeah. The worst band. I'm going to say the worst band.

Michael (48:17.944)
They did. They went and killed everybody. That's literally what they did. Yeah.

Michael (48:26.702)
Okay, watch raining blood because, oh my God, it's so good. So, yeah, so next up is Guns N' Roses. We all know Axel can't sing. We've known this for years.

Sebastian (48:40.748)
of the day guns and roses. Sure. Well, I'll say worse performance.

Michael (48:41.432)
No, the worst vocalist, the worst vocalist of the day. Cause Muse, yes. So here's my theory with Guns N' Roses and how Slash and Duff can be in this band still. So all the bands have, yeah, they have inner monitors. So what I think they do is they, in each of their monitors, they have the guitars, the drums and the bass and no vocals in their monitors. So they, so they don't hear what Axl know because how the hell

Sebastian (48:53.937)
They're deaf.

Sebastian (49:05.211)
Probably.

Sebastian (49:08.792)
Axle is doing.

Michael (49:12.056)
Can you keep, how could you keep going? I understand you can listen to it later and you know what he sounds like. He was awful. Like people were cheering and I'm like, what the fuck? Like he doesn't and it's sad because he's a great front man. But he just doesn't have the pipes anymore. sings as much. No, he's like his voice is shot.

Sebastian (49:20.336)
You

Sebastian (49:25.157)
He doesn't have it anymore vocally.

Sebastian (49:33.124)
It's because he never sang properly. Like he really really crunched his voice and really tried to get that dissonance through but he didn't do it in a healthy way in the 80s and 90s and now he's just not capable of doing it. I will say this though, they made it not about themselves. Because the first four songs they did were all black side with covers.

Michael (49:46.902)
And so what might, okay.

Michael (49:52.47)
No. no.

Yes.

Sebastian (49:57.222)
So that was interesting to me because everyone has just did one black Sabbath cover and then did the rest of their own stuff, but Guns N' Roses did. It's all right. Never say died. Junior's eyes and sub you Sabbath blood is bloody Sabbath. Rough for all four. Like Axel was rough for all four.

Michael (50:00.493)
Yeah.

Michael (50:09.452)
which, yeah. And the fact they played songs off the last Sabbath record with Ozzy before he was kicked out, never say die in junior's eyes, which was straight deep cuts. they were rough. Like junior's eyes was good. I thought Axl was a little, I was saying to the kid, I'm like, he's a little better in junior's eyes and South bloody Sabbath.

Sebastian (50:20.529)
Those are deep cuts, man. Yeah.

Sebastian (50:33.819)
He was fine when he did the Guns N' Roses songs though, like when he did Welcome to the Jungle and Paradise City, because that's his comfort zone, right? I will say this Slash was flawless. Slash was wonderful. Like he, he can drum.

Michael (50:36.675)
Yes.

Michael (50:44.75)
And that new drummer they got, that dude, man, that dude could thump. Man, that dude could thump. They were, they're a tight band. I'd like to see them. Well, they did that with Scott Weiland, but have, have a singer that I didn't, no offense to Axl, but have us have somebody that can really belt it out still.

Sebastian (50:50.395)
Yeah.

Sebastian (51:00.699)
Did I, did I tell you that, Sebastian Bach filled in for Vince Neil for Motley crew. And then everyone is like, can we just replace Vince Neil with Sebastian Bach for the rest of the tour? Like the comment section was going wild. Cause no. Yeah. I'm like rewatching the axle part. She's just, you just can't get there anymore vocally.

Michael (51:07.122)
he probably killed it.

Ha ha!

Michael (51:14.914)
That's amazing. Can you hear my dog barking? Good.

Michael (51:22.946)
So you know, so what my son said, you know, a family guy with the old man that has the whistle in his voice. He's like, that's what, that's what act. That's what he told me. That's what I, then I couldn't get the visual. Yes. Yeah. That guy. Yes. Exactly. That guy. And then I couldn't get the visual out of my head. And I was like, paradise city is done. I'm like, thank God. There's only three bands left. Cause I'm like, by this time it's been like,

Sebastian (51:28.101)
Yeah.

Hey Chris, how's it going? Won't you come inside for a little Sunday?

Michael (51:52.046)
freaking 10 hours, I'm out. Like I am done. Like I just want to do anything.

Sebastian (51:52.648)
It's been a long time, yeah. It seems, okay, I'm gonna try to break it down so that the viewers or the listeners can kind of understand what I'm talking about. When Axel is singing, it sounds like the volume of what he's saying is stuck in his throat. It's not coming out. Do you know what I mean? It's just like when you listen to like Florianne Sensing, for example, like it just escapes and just booms out of her mouth.

Michael (52:18.862)
Yep.

Sebastian (52:20.337)
but it seems like Axel is like keeping it all inside of his throat and it's not coming out fully. Like he just doesn't have the ability to like really project anymore. Maybe the fact that his vocal cords and his muscles are just been wrecked from years of abuse and whatnot, but it's just not coming out fully in that sound that you're used to. So granted they are in their sixties now I think, right? But yeah.

Michael (52:33.358)
Could be. Yeah.

Michael (52:43.662)
Though they're old, yeah, they're in their 60s, Axl's like 60, whatever. So next up is our band, which I was interested to see if they were gonna do anything fun, which they did. They opened with Hole in the Sky. And my first reaction was, Mike, what is going on? This is awful. It was, we...

Sebastian (52:51.43)
Dude.

Sebastian (52:57.649)
Two deep cuts, buddy.

Sebastian (53:10.947)
Yeah, James had a rough, rough time seeing that.

Michael (53:14.19)
It was tuned so low for like, was, I don't even know what tuning that was. It was bizarre. Like it didn't like, you know, when you tune so low, you lose all, you lose all tone in your, in your, in your songs. This song, had no tone. was nothing. I'm like, okay. I'm like, this sucks. And the kids like, ah, geez. I'm like, yeah, this is, this is not good.

Sebastian (53:23.271)
Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't great. It wasn't great. Yeah.

Sebastian (53:34.415)
I think they needed there to get that low because James can't sing that high. Like it's out of his comfort zone, right? Because he was really struggling to sing that song.

Michael (53:40.408)
Fair. Yeah.

Yes. So you know, my comment was about the bad singing. Maybe you should lay off the cigars. Maybe you should, you should maybe stop smoking at this point. If you want to keep your band going for another 10 years, cause you're not going to be able to sing like he'll be, of course he's not. so then it goes into creeping death. Great as always. It's creeping death, whatever. It was awesome. for whom the bell tolls. Sure. It was fine.

Sebastian (53:49.017)
What? He does he does like his cigars, that's for sure.

Sebastian (53:57.752)
He's not going to do that, Mike.

Sebastian (54:07.13)
Yep.

So back to back off the ride lightning album. Yeah.

Michael (54:11.362)
Yep. And then we get this cover and I'm listening to it. I'm like, I know this song and the kids and my wife are like, what is this? It was just weird. I'm like, this is Sabbath cover. I'm like, this is Sabbath cover. I'm like, this is Johnny blade. They're like, it's just like Johnny what? I'm like, it's Johnny blade. It's off of never say die and it's not very good.

Sebastian (54:14.599)
.

Sebastian (54:20.839)
Well, it's a black Sabbath cover. Yeah.

Sebastian (54:29.765)
But I do appreciate the fact that they didn't go. Well, OK. Yes.

Michael (54:33.336)
But they made it a Metallica song. They really did. Right?

Sebastian (54:37.871)
Yeah, he definitely struggled in the Black Sabbath covers for sure. that just that just goes with the theme of the whole thing is like most except for except for Youngblood and Lizzy Hale. Everybody struggled, every vocalist struggled with it to a certain extent. It was they weren't in totally a comfort zone there. Right. So.

Michael (54:41.484)
Yes. Goes with the theme of the show.

Michael (54:50.85)
For the most part. Yeah.

Michael (54:58.03)
You know, another band I thought would have been on this bill Primus. Cause less is a big, big Sabbath guy. You know, like he's, played NIB with Ozzy like back in the day, like they recorded a cover of it or something they did. Yeah. I think it was an IB and I just always thought we're Primus wasn't there anyways. So they did Johnny blade. It was, I thought it was kind of cool because I'd never, it was a song we've never heard them play before. I always love that.

Sebastian (55:03.46)
yeah.

Sebastian (55:07.473)
Yep.

Sebastian (55:12.977)
Yeah.

Sebastian (55:18.268)
Yeah.

Sebastian (55:25.317)
Yeah, that is like an all over deep cut, I think.

Michael (55:27.338)
Uber deep cut. we got like four songs off of Never Say Die today. It was really strange. Anyways, so they played battery. And the funny thing is after battery was done, they started Master of Puppets. I'm like, okay, we're going out soon. I wouldn't have a shower. I didn't even watch it. I left the room. Yep. Sure. It was like, was like,

Sebastian (55:42.248)
It was good. Okay, I have a comment on this and their song selection. It makes total sense when you just hear me out. So they played Creeping Death, they played For Whom the Belt Holds, they played Battery, then played Master Puppets. What year did they go on tour with Ozzy Osbourne? What albums were highlighted while they were on tour for the most part? So what were the songs that everybody wanted to hear when they were on tour with Ozzy?

Michael (55:49.816)
Yes. Yes.

Yeah. Yes.

86.

Those two.

Michael (56:06.766)
Probably those ones. Yeah.

Sebastian (56:08.493)
at least those four. So their song selection came from what they were connected to with Ozzy Osbourne because he took them on tour with them during the Master Puppets. So for me, I made that click like immediately after looking at the setlist. I'm like, I understand why they chose these four songs. Like they're not going to choose something from any of the most current albums because that wasn't relevant when they were.

Michael (56:15.596)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah.

Michael (56:27.882)
And if they would have played Sandman, I would have turned it off. Honestly. No it doesn't.

Sebastian (56:31.025)
But that makes no sense to play that because everyone is there to pay honor to Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath and their influences, right? The fact that Ozzy took Metallica on as their opening band during the Master of Puppets album tour, it just makes total sense to me why they chose those four songs. I mean, they could have done something from Whiplash as well, but they played the safe choices, but they're not gonna play anything past Master of Puppets because it doesn't make sense for them to play that.

Michael (56:36.386)
Yeah. Yes.

Michael (56:46.69)
Yeah, it does. Yeah.

Michael (56:54.156)
No, they did, I think.

Michael (56:59.372)
No, it doesn't. Yeah, absolutely.

Sebastian (56:59.943)
is that they were not connected to that with Ozzy, right? So that's just my comment on that. So I'm okay with their song selection, right? And they were good, like they were fine. But I mean, we've heard it live a hundred times.

Michael (57:07.662)
Okay, well, they were fine. just, they need to lay off the cigars. I think that's my biggest thing. Or just one dude does. He did, I didn't like the, he was good, but I thought the drum sound was a little, it was a festival, like a festival set. So you're not gonna get your, yeah, just, whatever. He was, nowadays he's always good. He's just always.

Sebastian (57:13.723)
Well, just one person needs to lay off the cigars. Yeah, I will say this, Lars sounded great. His drums were freaking good.

Sebastian (57:25.031)
Could have been louder a little bit, yeah.

Sebastian (57:31.079)
For someone that people have been talking to about how terrible of a drummer he is, he's been killing it recently. Like when we saw him live, was the tightest part of the band.

Michael (57:39.672)
Well, I think he's, I think he's actually practicing now.

Sebastian (57:43.503)
Yeah, instead of just doing the business side of things, he's like, I'm getting too old. need to start practicing. Yeah. Yeah.

Michael (57:45.102)
Yeah. So yeah, exactly. Yeah. He's got to keep shops up. Right. Um, okay. So next is the, for me, it was, it was the crown jewel. I even got, when Ozzy came out, I actually got a little emotional because you know, we grew up watching idolizing you, both of us, like we saw Ozzy 95, like we were listening to, uh, no more tears as kids. And even, you know, all, all the Ozzy records, the Sabbath stuff.

Sebastian (57:55.963)
Yes.

Sebastian (58:01.394)
same.

Sebastian (58:11.699)
gets. I started laughing because I remember this conversation that we had months ago. We're like, well, how is he going to stand? He's not going to be able to stand it. And I think we talked about it. We're like, he's going to come out in a demon throne. There's like bat wings on it.

Michael (58:20.715)
No, didn't.

Michael (58:24.556)
Yep, and sure as shit, he came out in the Demon Throne, which is sad because I don't think he can stand anymore. So because you can see, yes, he wanted to get up. wanted, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he played five songs, which I was shocked he played five songs, first of all. He played nine.

Sebastian (58:31.727)
Yeah. Did you notice that he kept trying or there was like moments where he would like shift his mic around? He was so wanted to stand up and he just, it's something clicked inside of his mind saying like, I can't do that. I can't do that. I'm physically not able to do that. Yeah.

Sebastian (58:49.319)
We played what, 10 in total?

So you played four with Black Sabbath and... Right.

Michael (58:54.808)
four with Sabbath and then five from myself. open, of course they're all old except for mom I'm coming home, which honestly I had a tear in my eye. he, cause he, cause he was crying and I think Zach was probably crying and it was, that was a rough one.

Sebastian (59:02.917)
That was the most emotional song of the night. yeah.

Sebastian (59:11.995)
That is him saying goodbye to the music world and to his fans and to this. That was there's so many emotional layers in that performance, so we'll get there in a second, so.

Michael (59:14.21)
Yes. Yeah. That was the, that was the big one. thought that.

Michael (59:21.42)
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know when then then invokingly he killed it like he he did he said well he said of course by the time Sabbath came out he was tired. Yeah, it was it was. Yeah, yeah, but.

Sebastian (59:27.087)
He sounded great!

Sebastian (59:32.739)
You could tell his voice was wavering, but even in paranoid, it was still good, but you can hear the cracks in his voice. But he he sounded great for all things considered, but what this health problems is Parkinson's and all that kind of stuff. I thought he sounded great. Also, Zach Wild absolutely redeemed himself guitar wise. He killed it on the other set.

Michael (59:43.534)
Sure. All the stuff he did. I, I'd give him a 10 talk about redemption. Like, cause we were, we were joking earlier with Pat, one Panteros on and he's like, this sucks. And I'm like, wait till he comes up with Ozzy. I'm like, he's a really, he's a great, he's a great guitar player. His sound will be completely different. And he's like, and he's like, Whoa, he's like, he's, Zach's really good. I'm like,

Sebastian (59:59.944)
because he wrote these songs. Yeah. And it was.

Sebastian (01:00:10.799)
Yeah. Well, of course he wrote all these songs, right?

Michael (01:00:13.422)
Right? Exactly. So, um.

Sebastian (01:00:16.603)
I did notice that Zach, you're right when you say there was so many emotions when they were doing Mama and Coming Home. And you're right, like when you rewatch it, you see Zach, he's struggling to play that because he's having an emotional outburst while he's playing. he's like, I can see the dialogue in the back of his head. He's probably like, I got to keep it together. I got to keep it together. I got to keep it together. So

Michael (01:00:28.758)
Yeah, absolutely.

Michael (01:00:36.29)
Yeah, sure. And I thought it was cool because also on bass, was Mike Inez, which was what he played on No More Tears. So it was based, well, Randy Castillo, the drummer died. So they had all these long-term drummer out there, but it was basically the No More Tears band, which I thought was kind of neat was, having Inez come out and play with them. Suicide Solution is such a good song. Like that song and they just think the

Sebastian (01:00:42.608)
Yep.

Sebastian (01:00:47.11)
Yep.

Sebastian (01:00:51.568)
Go.

Sebastian (01:00:55.078)
Yep.

Sebastian (01:01:01.765)
Yeah.

To be clear, it's not about promoting that. It's not at all. If you actually deep dive the lyrics, it's got nothing to do with that. I mean, it's got to do with depression and stuff like that, but it's basically trying to help you not tell you that this is the path. So.

Michael (01:01:05.998)
No, nothing to do with it. Sure. Yeah, it's not. And Ozzy was like the whole. So here's my difference between watching Ozzy with these guys and watching Ozzy with Sabbath. These guys are in their prime still. Like they were just.

Sebastian (01:01:30.107)
Yeah, yep.

Michael (01:01:34.626)
They were there and they were killing it. And when we get to Sabbath, I thought it was kind of sad. Not just. Yes.

Sebastian (01:01:41.159)
Well, I have one comment which I'll say right now. Apparently, Tony Iommi, I remember reading this somewhere, I think, he has been quoted as saying he's never been more nervous to play than this concert specifically.

Michael (01:01:52.558)
hit heat it, you could see it, especially during more pigs. Cause we're just going to go right. Okay. Ozzy was 10 out of 10 and that was absolutely.

Sebastian (01:02:01.318)
Which is hilarious because you would have said that he would have been the weakest link out of everybody.

Michael (01:02:04.2)
I would have thought it would have been the scariest, saddest thing I've ever seen, but Ozzy, was the most uplifting. It was awesome. So we get to Sabbath. They come out. yep. Sorry. Yes, sir.

Sebastian (01:02:07.503)
No, wasn't at all. He killed it, man. He was so good. Yeah.

Wait, wait, wait. I just want to say, I want to say one thing still. Okay. So when you look at Ozzy Osbourne and iconic guitar for Ozzy Osbourne specifically, there's two guitar solos that guitarists learn, especially us, like during the nineties, one is a Mr. Crowley solo and the other is a crazy train solo. They did Zach Wild dirty, absolutely dirty.

Michael (01:02:35.148)
Yep. Yes.

Sebastian (01:02:43.087)
there was actually no footage of Zach Wild playing the solo. So like when crazy, I'll say crazy training for specific, I was yelling at my monitor, I'm like, where the hell is Zach? Because all the, I understand this was an Aussie show and you want to like highlight Aussie, but this is Zach's moment.

Michael (01:02:54.338)
Yeah, you're right.

But you want to also highlight he's paying homage to Ozzy and Randy Rose, right? man.

Sebastian (01:03:02.361)
and Randy Rose, right? And he killed the guitar solo. And like, when you watch the crazy train, they, for whatever reason, the director decided to do this wide shot of the entire stage from like really far back. I'm like, this is Zach's moment. Like show him doing the solo and you don't see it at all through the solo. was yelling, going like, what are you doing? Like to give him his moment on stage and you didn't. So, so that kind of pissed me off a little bit, but you know, whatever.

Michael (01:03:14.727)
yes. Yep.

Yeah, man. No.

Yeah

Michael (01:03:31.628)
Yeah, buddy, well, I get, there was a lot of, no, and there was some of the camera stuff was just weird throughout the whole day anyway. You're like, all right, this is a weird angle, but sure.

Sebastian (01:03:31.793)
Like.

But again, it's not about Zach, but you need to give him his moment, right?

Sebastian (01:03:43.825)
I guess it goes to the point of like the candidness and like the looseness of it. Like no one really had. It was like.

Michael (01:03:47.266)
Yeah, no one had one had an idea what was going on.

Sebastian (01:03:52.114)
There wasn't really any concrete direction on how everything should go. There was just more about a get together and like, just do what you do. We'll figure it out as you go, which is fine. Like it's, yeah, so.

Michael (01:03:59.438)
Yeah, yes. Okay, so Sabbath comes out and the sirens go on with Warp Eggs. I'm like, yes, Warp Eggs is like, we've seen Ozzy do it numerous times live. It is an awesome song live. Except for this version was not good. I think Nerv's Nerv's for Tony. Bill, can.

Sebastian (01:04:16.027)
It's very good life. Yeah. I think nerves had a big part to do with it too.

Michael (01:04:26.25)
I, my first words were, can see why they didn't ask Bill to play on the 13 record because he just doesn't have it. Like he's just, he doesn't. They're old. I get it. They're, it's been a long time, but yeah, war pigs was, was, was filled with nerves. Like Tony missed stuff. Bill was missing stuff. Geezer was all, and Geezer and Ozzy were awesome. Like they were, they were all over it, but the other two, whatever.

Sebastian (01:04:33.019)
Yep, they're all like almost 80 to like it. And when's the last time Bill was on a stage playing live drums? Yeah.

Sebastian (01:04:46.46)
Yeah.

Sebastian (01:04:52.655)
It's wild to say that the best part of Black Sabbath would have been Ozzy Osbourne singing. Cause at this point you would have said like that would have been the worst part based on his health difficulties and stuff, but he was actually really good. Yeah.

Michael (01:04:55.48)
is Ozzy Osbourne. Absolutely. It was so weird. Yeah.

Yeah. And then they came out and did an IP, which I thought was cool. Like, you know, geezer had his little intro solo. Yes, please.

Sebastian (01:05:09.133)
One thing I want to just highlight real quick is if anyone is fascinated by Tony Ohmi's fingertips and the fact that he's wearing his, wears caps, cause we have talked about this before. You can see it. You can see the finger caps he's wearing. If you watch like the YouTube videos of like war pigs or any other songs you can actually, or paranoid actually is the best example of that. Cause he plays left-handed. So the guitar is reversed. So you can see the, you can actually see the caps that he wears on his middle and ring finger, I believe on his, on his right hand, right? Cause he's

Michael (01:05:16.706)
He lost his thing. Yeah, we have. Yep.

Michael (01:05:28.802)
Yes he does.

Michael (01:05:35.084)
I believe so, left, Gizzy's, yeah. Yeah. and I be w was actually redeeming. was really good. Like say, I think the nerves were out and I go back to war pigs war pigs is a tough song to play cold, especially on a guitar point. Cause you have all those little nuanced little, you know, one bar little solo parts and you could hear him and you could hear him moving his hands. They should have, they really should have quick.

Sebastian (01:05:38.555)
He strums with his left hand. So anyways, go ahead.

Sebastian (01:05:58.662)
You know, they should have started with Paranoid. Because Paranoid is a ridiculously easy song. It's quick. You get your nerves out. Yeah.

Michael (01:06:05.698)
Yes. Or even Ironman come on to Ironman. Ironman's easy. Ironman's not hard. And, but Hey, whatever. I would have saved war pigs when they're warmed up, but on the flip side, wait for the band to warm up or you wait for Ozzy to get super tired and then he can't sing war pigs at the end. So. Right. You do the hard stuff first. Yeah. Cause it's all about Ozzy at this point, not about the other three. so NIB was great. And actually I.

Sebastian (01:06:22.085)
That's a good point. So you do the hardest vocal songs early and then paranoid is pretty easy to sing. So, yeah.

Michael (01:06:33.388)
We had to go out so we turned the TV off and I did not watch Iron Man or Paranoid. So you are going to tell me about Iron Man and Paranoid.

Sebastian (01:06:41.312)
I okay, so you can see the decline in the energy level as they go through the set.

Michael (01:06:51.128)
Yeah.

Sebastian (01:06:55.321)
I think Paranoid was a great way to close out the show, like honest to God. The funny thing at the very end of Paranoid, so once it stopped and he got a standing ovation, Tony Iommi, Gieser Butler, and Bill Ward walked off stage. And Ozzy Osbourne's looking around, swearing at them. He's like, get the fuck back here, because he's...

Michael (01:06:58.114)
It is.

Michael (01:07:11.724)
Yes.

Michael (01:07:19.393)
Hahaha.

Sebastian (01:07:20.729)
And in that moment, he's like, I don't want this to be just about me. You guys, this is back to the beginning. So I want you guys on stage to share this with me. But they left Ozzy there to like get all the accolades at the beginning. So that was a kind of a cool moment where he was calling them back on the stage. They're like, no, no, no, you're not leaving me alone in this. Like we started this together. We're going to end this together. They did come back on stage. Yes. With a gig!

Michael (01:07:40.622)
but they did come back on stage with a cake. Because what's the better way to say goodbye to a band than with a cake?

Sebastian (01:07:49.126)
So no way Ozzy knew that the cake was coming. Cause he wouldn't have said, like it was hilarious cause he's like looking around and he's like leaning over in the chair and he's like, you can see his mouth and he's like, get the, get the F back here. Where are you going? Get the F back here. So, so one thing I want to highlight a little bit and it's very evident when you start watching, like when you watch the Black Sabbath part is,

Michael (01:07:52.072)
No. Guess you would.

Michael (01:08:01.134)
Yeah, right.

Sebastian (01:08:19.515)
He's definitely struggling with emotions. Cause he's got that like glazed look on his face and he's just like trying to hold it together. Like, but you can tell there's so much going through Aussie at that moment, knowing that this is the last time he's ever going to perform. And he said that so many times. Yes. Yeah.

Michael (01:08:21.592)
Mm-hmm.

Michael (01:08:29.97)
sure.

Well, and how many times did he say, yeah, and how many times did he say, you have no idea how this is making me feel right now? Like, it's just, it was awesome. Like, just, I'm so glad. Like, was this necessary? No. Like, did, do you really? It, yes.

Sebastian (01:08:46.759)
It's a good send off though. If this is the last concert he ever did, he wanted to be surrounded by these influences and the people that he influenced and his friends and comrades.

Michael (01:08:53.482)
I, okay, I'm gonna say something that might be inflammatory. I think Ozzy's solo career is more important to this show than, like sure, we're all paying homage to the first four Sabbath records. That's what we're paying homage to.

Sebastian (01:08:57.589)
boy.

Sebastian (01:09:07.023)
Well, six technically that yeah, I don't think they played anything off five and six today, or maybe they did

Michael (01:09:08.674)
Well, he, yeah. they did, yeah, they didn't do any of the South place. They had nothing off of, or the changes off of four and Snowblind. but I think I would have, for me, I would have ended the show with Ozzie's solo set.

Sebastian (01:09:17.862)
Yeah.

Michael (01:09:27.726)
That's just me. Like I didn't need to see Sabbath again.

Sebastian (01:09:28.039)
yeah, it didn't fit. It didn't fit thematically with what they're going for though, because the whole thing was called. No, I mean, black Sabbath needed to end the show because the whole title of the festival was back to the beginning. So you go full circle back to the very beginning. And that's probably why they played well. mean, if you wanted to do the full circle of life thing, they should have ended with black Sabbath, the song black Sabbath. Cause that was, I think the first song they ever wrote together.

Michael (01:09:33.697)
No!

Michael (01:09:38.038)
Yes, sure. Yes, I get it.

Michael (01:09:47.886)
I don't know, I just...

Michael (01:09:53.036)
Yes.

They should, yeah, absolutely. If you're going truly back to the beginning.

Sebastian (01:09:57.52)
So if you wanted to hit, but there's probably issues with the fact that they can't play it or what not. And it's not a deep cut, but it's a deeper cut than the rest of the set that blacks have a plate. Right. So.

Michael (01:10:09.454)
Well, you could have knocked out NIB and put in Black Sabbath them. If, if, if we're, if we're in it picking, but then you have everything off of one record basically, except what Black Sabbath is on the one. And then the other, the other three were on two on paranoid, right?

Sebastian (01:10:13.251)
Yeah, so that's probably what I would have done differently. I would have probably

Sebastian (01:10:22.597)
was on the first one. So.

I would have really championed for them to do a fifth song. And what I would have done if they were able to do one more song instead of doing four, they would have done five. You start with paranoid because that's the easiest song to start with. And you end with black Sabbath. You keep everything else the same. So you go paranoid into war pigs, NIB to Iron Man, and then you close it with black Sabbath. That's ideally what

Michael (01:10:28.6)
But it's just for me. Yeah.

Michael (01:10:50.254)
But I just, I just thought it was weird. Cause after Ozzy said, what's on all the confetti, all the shit, it's like the show's over. Like it's over. You're like, okay, cool. That was great. And then you have to wait for half an hour. And then Sabbath comes on. You're like, all right. Like this is clunky. Like this is clunky. And they sound like they're all dudes in their late seventies, as opposed to Ozzy with a band in their.

Sebastian (01:10:56.433)
Yeah.

Sebastian (01:11:05.722)
Yeah.

Sebastian (01:11:10.983)
You know what they should have done? Honestly, they should have bridged it so that there was no break between the two. So it should have been Ozzy and then Tony Aomey would come on stage to replace Zach Wilde, but you saw that all in the moment. That would have been fine.

Michael (01:11:16.812)
Yes. Cause think Ozzy, cause Ozzy. Yep. Yeah.

Yes, we didn't need 25 minutes. Like, come on. Like they should have had, they should have had both sets of gear on stage at the same time. And then once crazy train is done, they're all out. And then the four just, come on right away and keep Ozzy. But like keep Ozzy in the moment. Don't let him get tired. Don't let him come down at all. Like just keep the momentum going. Cause I think.

Sebastian (01:11:27.877)
Yeah, it took a while. Well, they did play.

Sebastian (01:11:38.211)
Yeah, I see what you're saying. I just don't think they could have done it any other way though, right? But yeah, yeah.

Sebastian (01:11:49.096)
So do you think that like 25, 30 minutes of downtime really affected his performance? Yeah, I see what you're saying. Cause you're right, was better vocally during Ozzy than he was during Black Sabbath for sure. But then again, he's already been on stage for like almost an hour if you think about it, right? So.

Michael (01:11:52.652)
Yeah, I absolutely do. Yeah, I absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. yeah. Yep. And, he had his tea and his water and his throat spray. had all his stuff. It was so cute to have his big tea cup. thought that was kind of neat.

Sebastian (01:12:08.442)
It's

Sebastian (01:12:11.779)
It's funny though, because like 30 years ago there would have been, you know, a plate of narcotics and beer and whiskey. And now it's like herbal tea, throat spray, water.

Michael (01:12:15.45)
Not other stuff. Yep. Now it's yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But, that's, I'm glad it happened. Like I really am. I'm glad, cause it was, it was a cool spectacle to watch it for 25 bucks or 30 bucks or whatever it was. Yes. yeah. No, I was on my couch and I'm not like a TV watcher very much. I sat there all.

Sebastian (01:12:28.773)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian (01:12:35.291)
So did you sit and watch for the most part or were you like out and about doing things?

Really? Okay.

Michael (01:12:45.602)
day.

Sebastian (01:12:46.747)
See, I'm the opposite. got more dial in when it got closer and closer to Ozzy coming on. So like for the first couple, I was totally casually watching it like for Macedon, Rival Suns, Hailstorm. I would pay attention. Yes, that's true. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I really talked about Iron Man or Paranoid, but they were fine. They were good. Like they were nothing like crazy, crazy bad or crazy, crazy good. Paranoid was paranoid.

Michael (01:12:55.244)
Yeah. Well, I'm a big Macedon guy, so I was super, I was already invested at 7 a.m. to watch Macedon. And yeah.

Okay.

Michael (01:13:12.362)
Okay. I'll probably, I'll watch him. Yeah.

Sebastian (01:13:16.037)
The funny thing is though, I don't know if he purposely screwed it up or there was like an elaborate intro, but the very beginning of paranoid, you're like, what is he doing? Cause there's like a couple of notes that he was playing, but I think he was just testing out the guitar. And then it went into that brown, brown, brown banana. But there was like stuff at the beginning that you're like, does he forget how to play it? So.

Michael (01:13:27.542)
okay. Yeah.

Michael (01:13:34.894)
Yeah, right. So yeah, so that's our supersized sort of, guess, review critique, the good, the bad and the beautiful, which it was an amazing show to watch. There's artists I'll never watch.

Sebastian (01:13:44.934)
Yep.

Sebastian (01:13:50.211)
It is exactly what it needed to be. Like it was a celebration of a bunch of musicians getting together to pay honor to Black Sabbath in their own ways. You know, it was loosely done. I shouldn't say it was loosely done. I keep saying that and I don't mean that in a negative.

Michael (01:13:52.334)
Yeah, I think so.

Michael (01:14:04.103)
It really wasn't, but it kind of appeared to be that way because of certain artists doing their...

Sebastian (01:14:09.561)
I don't think loose is not the right term. I think they were just okay without getting emotional or upset about anything that would happen. They just went with the flow. And if something was wrong, or there was an error or the sound cut out, they just whatever they just kept going. Like they're just it wasn't about that, right? So it wasn't about Yeah.

Michael (01:14:17.974)
Yeah. Yeah.

Michael (01:14:27.616)
And hats off to Nuno and Scottie and for being on stage for like the whole show. God, they played a lot of tunes and that's a lot of stuff to learn and to know and to be that deeply entrenched and everything. It's those guys. Nuno's he's amazing. So, yeah, so that's an hour and 15 minutes of back to the beginning.

Sebastian (01:14:32.773)
Yeah, they were there for quite some time. So, yeah.

Sebastian (01:14:40.259)
Eight new nos in one of my top five guitars of all time, no big deal. Yeah.

Sebastian (01:14:48.025)
Maybe we'll do this in two parts. don't know. We'll figure it out.

Michael (01:14:50.286)
Yeah, I don't know. don't know. We'll figure that out. I just might put the whole deal out. Whatever. Why not? Super size because it was a super size event.

Sebastian (01:14:54.949)
Why not? Super size episode.

We watch 12 hours of this so that you only need to listen to an hour of us.

Michael (01:15:02.326)
Right? Exactly. So yeah, so, that's it until next time. We will be back with something fun. Bye bye.

Sebastian (01:15:08.497)
See ya!