RRHOF 2026

This week on Mandatory Music, Sebastian and Mike dive headfirst into the latest Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. It’s a lively, no-holds-barred discussion as they break down every name on the list—celebrating the legends who were long overdue while also questioning a few picks that didn’t quite hit the mark. Who made the cut? Who sparked debate? And which inductee had one of them shaking their head? Tune in and find out.

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@0:05 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

 We are that special. I'm going to say it's every week.

David Coverdale. went back in time and asked him.

@0:22 - skwapich@shaw.ca

David Coverdale. It sounds like David Coverdale, doesn't it?

@0:25 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It does. Can you sing this for us? We're getting it back in our DeLorean.

@0:30 - skwapich@shaw.ca

go back to the page.

@0:34 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

2026. And we'll talk to him and he's like, yeah, we host a podcast. He's like, What was the podcast?

You'll find out.

@0:40 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Don't worry. Can you hear some lyrics sing to this music?

@0:43 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, just sing it. No AI here whatsoever. No. No, absolutely not. No AI.

@0:52 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No AI. Hello.

@0:54 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Hello, people.

@0:56 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Welcome to Mandatory Music. We are back. We are doing it. Yes. How are you, Mike? How was your week?

@1:03 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

What was going on? I've been listening to a lot of music in the last couple of weeks and some good, some bad.

And, you know, some listening to some like, like sort of like a band that's been around for a while and they have one big album and then you want to hear like the stuff after.

And it's like, God, you should have just gone away for a while.

@1:25 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Stopped at that one album, right?

@1:27 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Stopped. I'll give you an example. So Back of Black comes out.

@1:30 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No, just kidding.

@1:32 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Back of Black came out in 1980, right?

@1:34 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@1:35 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

So they wasted no time. 81 they put out for those about to rock. And then it was like two years after that for the rest of the decade.

It's like, you just had the biggest record of all time. Why are you putting another one out in a year?

And it's garbage. Like, it's not good. And then you put another one out and they put everything like, to me, Back of Black was the pinnacle.

And then by the razor's edge, all the good. Riffs were already used up, and, man, Flick of the Switch and Fly on the Wall are not good.

@2:05 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No, Razor's Edge is a good album, man. It has Thunderstruck Money Talks on there.

@2:08 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Razor's Edge is a good song, too. Razor's yes, Mystery for Christmas, it's a good song.

@2:12 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Great song.

@2:14 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

But, oh, good God, like, I've never really dived into or dove into, like, 80s ACDC. Like, I've heard, like, Fire Guns and Heat Seeker and stuff, but, oh.

It's a formula.

@2:27 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's funny that mention ACDC because I had this conversation earlier about, like, how did I get into metal and rock, and I think the Who Made Who soundtrack was the first rock slash metal band I ever listened to that I can remember, which would have been, like, in 88 or 87 or something.

And then I heard Welcome to the Jungle by Guns N' Roses because that Aptite was released in 88, and I'm like, oh, I like this, too.

And then I saw Metallica on MTV doing, like, a Seek and Destroy clip. And then in 90... I think I saw the video for one, and I'm like, yep, this is my music, this is the jam, jammy jam jam, this is what makes the sauce, this is what makes your sandwiches.

Correct.

@3:13 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yes. But I don't know, yeah, and I'm listening to like a lot of, still I'm getting deep into the 80s synth pop and stuff, I love it, so good.

Actually, I've noticed, when I run now, I put on like Depeche Mode and Duran Duran and Pet Shop Boys to run to.

@3:30 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Wow, all right.

@3:30 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

soothing. My sister would be very proud of you. Yes. That's her music. It's very, yeah, I just, I think it's, it's just a good vibe to run to.

ACTION ITEM: Check out Kenny Omega's 'Battle Cry' on Spotify/Apple - WATCH

It's not angry, it's not fast, it's just beats. It's not, it's similar to running to like EDM or something, right?

You just, all your, you're not listening to the song, you're listening to the beat, right? That's it.

@3:51 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@3:52 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

So.

@3:53 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Well, my song of the week, I guess, if we're going to say that.

@3:56 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Song of the week? It's pressure.

@3:58 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. I. Like as we were talking before we went live, I was at a wrestling event, was at AEW Dynasty on Sunday, right, and you see all of the entrances and the songs that they use, and like being alive and seeing like an entrance live is just, there's no comparison to it, right, like I can't, I can only imagine the goosebumps and the emotional feeling that people get at like a WrestleMania event, which is happening this weekend, when they see like Roman Reigns' entrance and that music hits and all that kind of stuff, right, so Kenny Omega has a song called Battle Cry.

Um, and his entrance was so electric, it is like metal slash EDM, uh, bless you Mike, I know you're looking like you're going to sneeze, damn it, it's gone, I got him, you , it's like video game music, it's like EDM slash metal, guess, it's so good, it's called Battle Cry, uh, you can, it's on Spotify, Apple, if you want to listen to it after, it's great, um, so he goes by the moniker,

The One-Winged Angel, because he's a massive gamer, Kenny Omega, and he loves Final Fantasy, and the One-Winged Angel on Final Fantasy is known as Sahiroth, which is, I think, from Final Fantasy 7, if I'm not mistaken.

@5:15 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

was going say, that sounds like 7 to me.

@5:17 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Not that I know these things, but it sounds like 7. So it's very video game vibey, right? But like, man, I was like, I got to download this song.

So I came home, listened to it.

@5:27 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I've listened to it at the gym quite a bit. It's nice.

@5:30 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's fantastic.

@5:31 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I'll check it out.

@5:31 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Really, really cool. And it's an actual song.

@5:35 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It's not just like, oh, here's an entrance theme music, right? Yeah, right.

@5:38 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So it's very good.

@5:39 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

a full meal deal.

@5:40 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, full meal deal.

@5:42 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Okay, you've sprung the song of the week on me.

@5:44 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Thanks a lot. That's what I've been listening to.

@5:47 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

And actually, it's funny, because after last week, I listened to the whole album, the new one, volume two by Angine de Poitrine.

@5:57 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Oh my goodness.

@5:59 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

And after the whole record. It's amazing. Oh my God. It's like, it's hypnotic. It's, it, I don't know.

@6:04 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's just, it's so odd.

@6:06 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It's odd. And it just, it reminded me a little bit of like, um, Primus.

@6:12 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@6:12 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I can see that. Yeah. When you, like the first few times to listen to Primus, like what kind of, what the hell's going on?

And that's what I, that's what I have with this, but sort of it's on a deeper level.

@6:20 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Cause there's not really any singing. It's all instrumental. I guess if you're so musically knowledge that the average scale patterns just bore you to death.

@6:31 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Bore you to death.

@6:32 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Because, because you've just, you hear it so much. So you're, you know, they're decided, let's do microtones. Let's do the notes between the notes and see if we can write songs out of that.

@6:41 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It's surprisingly good. The way the guy built the guitar was like, just for that purpose. It's just like, man, they're out there.

@6:48 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They're awesome. Microtonal guitar.

@6:51 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Microtonal.

@6:51 - skwapich@shaw.ca

challenge you to play that.

@6:52 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It's like microdosing, but with tone, with tone. Yeah.

@6:56 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Microtosing tone, I guess.

@7:02 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Sure.

@7:03 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So our topic tonight, since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees were announced. Yes, they were. It was like the other day, wasn't it?

@7:12 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It was the other day. And, you know, there's some interesting people on here. But I thought we'd just talk about, because the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is, take it for what it is, it's kind of like the Oscars now.

It's like everybody kind of seems to be getting one.

@7:32 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Well, the Grammys are kind of like the Oscars, but yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, but yeah, like we've talked about this before, and the Grammys don't hold the same weight to music as the Oscars do to movies, right?

@7:44 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Like, I don't think most, yeah, like Iron Maiden have said, we don't give a . And lots of bands have said, we don't, Oasis has said the same thing, right?

But I don't know, because it's technically fan vote, but I did read something. Out in the wild, the wild of the internet, that it wasn't Iron Maiden's choice to add Blaze Bailey.

It was the Rock Hall's choice. So therefore, it was like a shoe when they were getting in as soon as Blaze was announced that he was going to be included on the Iron Maiden slot.

With the Iron Maiden one, and then sure enough, they get in. It's just...

@8:23 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, that's a tough call, man. Because yes, he was part of Iron Maiden for two albums, so it probably spanned about five or six years of Iron Maiden's life cycle.

But Iron Maiden's been around for over 40 years. Sure.

@8:35 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

He was in the band longer than Paul D'Anno was in the band.

@8:39 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Is D'Anno included as well?

@8:41 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

He must be.

@8:43 - skwapich@shaw.ca

has to be because he was more influential to Iron Maiden than Blaze Bailey was to Iron Maiden, I think.

Well, speak for yourself. Well, he wrote the first two albums that got the whole thing going, right? So I'm going to say that I think most of the musicians value the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was.

That is elevated way over top of like the Grammys. I don't think a lot of bands really care if unless you're in like the pop and hip hop and R&B or country route, then maybe you care a little bit more about the Grammys.

But like, we all know that metal and dance, EDM and, you know, pop or sorry, not pop, but like punk music, they all get kind of shafted at the Grammys anyways.

So I don't think most metal bands really care about the Grammys. But to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I think is a bit more prestigious in terms of at least I, that's what I believe.

@9:34 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

So, yeah, do you think there's anyone on this list that shouldn't be on the list? Yes, because I do.

@9:43 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Well, there's four, there's four categories, right? So I've got the full list in front of me.

@9:49 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, everybody.

@9:50 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So do I.

@9:51 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

So let's just go through the categories. Let's go with the, okay, sure.

@9:55 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So we'll start with the performer category. So the inductees for the performer category.

@9:59 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I'm go Phil Collins, Daily Idol, Iron Maiden, Joy Division slash New Order, Oasis, Sade, Sade, Sade, Sade, Luther Vandross, and the Wu-Tang Clan.

Yes, sir.

@10:19 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So how do you feel about that?

@10:22 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I think it's a great list of artists. Obviously, since I've been listening to a lot of 80s stuff, New Order has been in there.

I've been listening to Sematary Division as well. Phil Collins, he's a legend, right? He had, you know, he's in Genesis Forever, successful solo career, deserves it.

Billy Idol. It's Billy Idol. Come on, man. Sade, great jazz musician, great singer. She had some hits. Luther Vandross, I'm not into R&B much, and I don't know much about Wu-Tang, but they're hugely influential.

That's all I know. The one outlier that I don't think should be there is Oasis. I don't think they deserve it.

No.

@11:00 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I think you underestimate how huge Oasis is in Britain and in Europe.

@11:04 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

That's fine. But what did they do? Okay, they put out their debut in 94, and it had two top tens, and then they put out What's the Story of Morning Glory.

Okay, then what? They basically broke up.

@11:23 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@11:24 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Right? If you're going to put Oasis next to even Wu-Tang, New Order, or any of these artists, they all deserve it.

They've been working hard forever. Oasis broke up in 99 and just got back together. How many albums did they put out?

Let's see. Not many. Well, let's see here. The Wonderwall. What's the Story of Morning Glory? Oh, yeah. Wonderwall is a song.

Then the one definitely made.

@12:02 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I mean, if you want to just factor in their album sales alone, they're like one of the most successful bands in the history of music.

They have sold over a hundred million records with their albums, right? They, they, they're, they're huge. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

It's, you know, they're in there. They conquered the music industry. They started fighting with each other and broke. Basically.

Right. But like, we, we talked about that many a times. It's like sometimes too polarizing and they happen to be brothers as well.

@12:42 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

The black crows are the same, right?

@12:44 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. Sometimes you need a little bit of like edge or infighting, you know, like it happened to slash an axle basically as well.

@12:54 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I don't know. I just, cause maybe my knowledge of Oasis is very, is very thin. Right. I think of.

What's the story? And that's about it.

@13:04 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They're big.

@13:05 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

They're huge. I get that. I don't know. It's just, it just seems, especially their first attempt at getting in, like, well, maybe it's not their first or the first time being nominated.

@13:15 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I'll put it to you this way. Sure. Wonderwall. That one song has 2.743 billion listens on Spotify alone.

@13:29 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Do you think that's worthy of being in the Hall of Fame for one song?

@13:33 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Don't Look Back in Anger is 1.3 billion. So Champagne Suit for Nova, almost 600 million, right?

@13:40 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Like they, they are, they're, they're massive. That's because you have them on repeat all, all day long.

@13:45 - skwapich@shaw.ca

That's me. Yes, I do definitely do that.

@13:47 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I know. I know you. Um, I just, uh, I just, I don't, I, well, let's just be honest.

@13:55 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I don't like Oasis. No, I, I understand that, but they've. He more records than Iron Maiden, than Phil Collins, than, you know, pretty much.

@14:06 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, think Phil Collins' musical legacy is a lot stronger than how many records he sold.

@14:11 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Sure. He's more involved in his, yes, I agree.

@14:14 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

You know what I mean? Like, it's taken him this long to get in, and you were in one of the most influential, like, prog bands in the 70s, into the 80s, and forging your own solo career, and butchering a Led Zeppelin reunion at the same time.

@14:29 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, no, I agree. Phil Collins has been involved in music his entire life, right? So if we're looking at the vein of, of, where are you musically in terms of your passion for the industry and for, for, to, to, no one's going to say the Gallaghers came in to, like, help the music industry.

They came in pretty selfishly. And, you know, I think a lot of people still don't like the fact that they compared themselves to the Beatles or said that they were bigger than the Beatles.

I think that was how the quote went, which is a very sacrilegious thing to do.

@15:00 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

You don't say that.

@15:01 - skwapich@shaw.ca

You don't say that. The Beatles are arguably the greatest band ever to play in the music world in our lifetime, right?

@15:09 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

For sure.

@15:12 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I don't know. I don't have a problem with Oasis being in. I think this list versus the list last year is a lot more of an obvious list for me.

Like, I'm actually surprised that Billy Idol and Iron Maiden aren't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame yet.

@15:26 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, absolutely.

@15:27 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Like, they should have been, like, I didn't even realize that they haven't been in it, but like...

@15:31 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@15:32 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. I see what you're saying, though, right? The Oasis came and conquered and then left, and then they kind of just left the music industry.

They were only, like, relevant for like, what, 10 years?

@15:42 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Not even, right? Yeah. So, you remember that song back in the day?

@15:47 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Wonderwall? Yeah, I'm familiar with that.

@15:49 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yes.

@15:49 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Wonderwall.

@15:50 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No, it's called You Get What You Give by The New Radicals.

@15:53 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Mm-hmm.-hmm.

@15:54 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

So that was their one song. You know, and then that one song is, is, is, is... Closing in on a billion streams, just on Spotify.

@16:03 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Did you get what?

@16:04 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah. So, do you know, should they get in? Because a billion people have listened to them?

@16:11 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No. No, but, okay, but that's like a one-hit wonder song, right?

@16:15 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I see what you're saying there, but like... Yeah, like that's kind of, I don't know.

@16:22 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I wonder if they even like playing Wonderwall. What happened with their tour? Are they touring? Did they go on tour?

@16:30 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I don't even know. They toured last year, and they, apparently they sold over two million tickets. Okay, great. I would, you know, I've already said I do not like Oasis.

@16:47 - skwapich@shaw.ca

You have said that, yes.

@16:49 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I don't know. It's just, ugh.

@16:52 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I understand what you're saying. I understand the annoyance of it for sure, like...

@16:57 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I just, I just don't feel like they're worthy of... I understand they influenced a lot of newer artists, the Killers and the Arctic Monkeys and stuff like that.

Maybe I'm just old. I don't know.

@17:10 - skwapich@shaw.ca

You're the same age as the Gallagher brothers, I'm pretty sure. I think they're in their late 40s, if not early 50s at this point.

Yeah, no, I don't. I understand why Oasis went in, right? Like, I get it. Like, I don't have a problem with it.

feel like no one on this list I have a problem with, to be honest.

@17:29 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

And if anyone out there has an issue with me saying Oasis sucks, mandatorymusicshow.gmail.com. Send me your hate mail.

@17:35 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Oh, here we go.

@17:36 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Give me the hate. I want the hate.

@17:37 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Oh, boy, oh, boy.

@17:38 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I just think Oasis stinks. That's just me. I like Noel Gallagher. I think his solo stuff was awesome, because he actually can sing.

Liam's voice just, it's like nails on a chalkboard to me. That's just what it is. I think that's what it all is, is Liam Gallagher's voice.

I can't stand it.

@17:55 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, he's a bit of an a-hole sometimes.

@17:58 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Well, he's that, too. He's also an , but...

@18:00 - skwapich@shaw.ca

He wears that mantle, which is fine.

@18:04 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Actually, I kind of have respect for the guy. He wears it on his sleeve. He's like, I'm a dick, and that's the way it is.

But his voice, I just don't like his voice. But you know what shocked me about one person on this list that isn't in?

We'll get to Rick Rubin in a bit, because I have thoughts about that as well. In the Ahmet Erdogan Award, Ed Sullivan.

@18:23 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@18:24 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Are kidding me? In 2026, Ed Sullivan's TV show was on from 1948 to 1971.

@18:32 - skwapich@shaw.ca

You figure that it's a little late?

@18:34 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

The dude died in 74, fine. But Jesus, 2026, it's like Dick Clark's show back in the day.

@18:46 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's Ed Sullivan.

@18:49 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

He had the frigging Beatles on the show. Like, he introduced the Beatles to America.

@18:55 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, that's a bit egregious, I think. I feel like he should have been deducted like a decade.

@19:00 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Decades, like back in the 80s, even let's just say 10 years after he passed away. mid 84, 85, put him in 10 years after he passed, but you're waiting 50, 52 years for him to, to get in.

@19:13 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I don't know if I doubt, well, cause he's not a musician when he passed away in the seventies, right?

@19:17 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

74, 74.

@19:19 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Okay. So three years after the show went off the air, I feel like not inducting. Like, I feel like people need to be inducted faster in their life.

@19:32 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Like didn't want to chubby checker get in last year. Come on.

@19:36 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@19:37 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I mean, they look at the performer category and everyone's alive. I think. I believe so.

@19:46 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Which is great because then they can experience themselves being nominated at the rock and roll hall of fame.

@19:51 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, he's passed away. He's, he's not, he's no longer with us.

@19:54 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Okay. Yeah.

@19:55 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Sorry. I believe he passed.

@19:56 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. So.

@19:58 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

And if he's not, if he. Hasn't, I'm so sorry. Oh, forever, always for Luther. Yeah, he's gone.

@20:06 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Interesting how you, yeah. Phil Collins, Billy Idol. Billy Idol is an obvious one. Iron Maiden's an obvious one. I wonder how many metal bands are actually in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

@20:20 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Black Sabbath, Metallica, and Iron Maiden. And Ozzy Osbourne, if you want to split Ozzy off twice.

@20:29 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Oh, there's more than that.

@20:30 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I don't think so.

@20:31 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No, there's about 12 to 15 bands, artists, categories as heavy metal or metal adjacent in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

@20:37 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Really?

@20:38 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Do have Iron Maiden? Yes, I have a list pulled up.

@20:40 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

This is from AI, though, so take it with the rules. boy.

@20:43 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne, Deep Purple, Van Halen, Kiss, ACDC, Rush, Guns N' Roses, and Motorhead.

The Guns N' Roses thing throws.

@21:00 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

We won't get into that. I understand the impact of Appetite for Destruction.

@21:05 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Literally the number one debut album of all time. It that one changed everything. It's wild to me how a band like Guns N' Roses and Nirvana are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and they've released three albums.

I know that Guns N' Roses is released more than that, but let's be real.

@21:23 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

The Illusions was all recorded at the same time.

@21:26 - skwapich@shaw.ca

That's one record. And then Appetite and then Liza's only five new songs on that album. it's like an EP.

@21:32 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Chinese Democracy.

@21:34 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Do they even play anything from Chinese Democracy?

@21:36 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, they play lots. Yeah, they do. I believe they play like better Chinese Democracy.

@21:41 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They play like four or five. Well, yeah. They have like 38 songs in their set list.

@21:46 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

But they've cut their set list down. So I think because it was like half the record before the last couple of years.

@21:49 - skwapich@shaw.ca

hours now.

@21:50 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It's like, good God, seriously.

@21:51 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Like, come on.

@21:55 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah. But, and then who else do I see in here that was worthy? Enjoy. -Division's awesome, and same with New Order, same band, different singer, which I think is pretty crazy.

@22:05 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I'm more accepting of this list than you are, Mike, which is fair. I'm just not accepting of Oasis. No, I get that.

You can't deny their record sales, though. So many British people I know are massive Oasis fans. I know. They do have a follow-up.

@22:24 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Anyone that likes Britpop loves Oasis, right?

@22:26 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yes.

@22:26 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Non-British people. I'm not the biggest Britpop guy. I don't know if you want to call Oasis.

@22:30 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They do write good songs, though, man. Like, they're very catchy. I just don't think Wonderwall is, it's like the British version of How You Remind Me by Nickelback, to be honest with Yeah, okay, there you go.

@22:43 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

So, Oasis is like Nickelback.

@22:44 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They're the British Nickelback. Don't say that.

@22:47 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

We'll with that.

@22:48 - skwapich@shaw.ca

The Brits. Send me a email. You're Nickelback who's going to get into the rock and roll thing?

@22:52 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No, it.

@22:53 - skwapich@shaw.ca

If they get in. I absolutely, I absolutely believe they will. I absolutely do.

@22:58 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

There's no way.

@22:59 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They are. They are. There's no way.

@23:01 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

There's absolutely no way.

@23:03 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They hold a record for having the most played song on radios in the history of music with How You Remind Me.

@23:09 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

That's fine.

@23:10 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Mark my words, I will guarantee you that Nickelback is going to the Rock and Roll It needs to be 25 years after your debut, yes, I believe.

Is that the rule?

@23:19 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I think that's the rule. I saw that it's 20 or 25. Let's see, I'm trying to do the math because Nirvana got in.

Yeah, because Nickelback's first record I believe was 97. Right. Something like that.

@23:37 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yes, I think so.

@23:39 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Not that I know. 96. Curb was in 1996.

@23:45 - skwapich@shaw.ca

That was the first one.

@23:46 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

And then Silver Sides was the second one?

@23:49 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Third. Or was that the third one?

@23:50 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

The State was the second.

@23:52 - skwapich@shaw.ca

That's the one with Leader of Men on it, I think, right?

@23:54 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah. So they've been around for this is year 30.

@23:58 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@24:00 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

They're eligible. There's no way. There's absolutely no way.

@24:05 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I'm not saying they're getting in right now, but I say within 10 to 15 years.

@24:09 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Well, there's no way left to put in. They're going to have to. They're going run out of bands.

@24:13 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, probably will. How do we feel about our guy, Rick Rubin, being inducted? The producer who doesn't produce?

@24:26 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, that's polarizing, isn't it? Right? Okay, you guys suck, so I'm going to go away for two weeks, and you guys work on it and get better, and then I'll come back and listen and see if I like it.

That's not producing. I don't know. It's a style, right? It forces you. Okay, I shouldn't really too much on it, because it does work, right?

He got some great stuff out of Danzig. got some great stuff out of Metallica, Slayer, ACDC, you name it.

Chili Peppers, because he produced Blood Sugar Magic, which I did not know. Dude has his name attached to a lot of things.

@25:04 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Everyone's worked with him, man.

@25:06 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

But every producer has a different style. So you go like, say, I don't know, Bob Rock, where he's there all the time, coaching you, helping you.

And Rick Rubin is the polar opposite. He did Wildflowers by Tom Petty.

@25:18 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@25:18 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

And he was in the studio for a lot of that because the documentary on is absolutely amazing.

@25:23 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I can't remember what it's called. It might even be called Wildflower. You can't, well, it has, I do want to consider that his producing style might have been a bit different in the 80s and 90s.

@25:34 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

He might have been a little bit more hands-on-y. Maybe.

@25:37 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Right. You don't know, right? Because.

@25:38 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I don't know.

@25:40 - skwapich@shaw.ca

The only track that we have to follow is why does all the big bands want to work with him?

@25:47 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yes.

@25:48 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Like there is a reason why Metallica's seeked him out for Death Magnetic, right? And he, you don't have to be hands, like Rick Rubin coming.

He into Metallica. He's not going to tell them, this is how you should play.

@26:04 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No. Oh, God.

@26:05 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Because he's at that stage in his life where he works with the biggest bands on the planet.

@26:10 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

He doesn't work with fledgling bands where he has to coach them on how to record stuff.

@26:15 - skwapich@shaw.ca

He's not going into Metallica Studio to tell them what to play. He's just going to tell them, this is what I feel with your music.

And it's just like, this is what you hired me for. This isn't working. Or this is working. Or he's given them the confidence to really explore that space to make it okay to go back to your roots, which is what happened in Metallica.

And I firmly believe that Rick Rubin isn't meant to be a full-time producer for Metallica. He was just the gateway producer to help them out of the St.

Anger era to relearn who they were as a band, right? And so the psychological effect that he had on Metallica is probably priceless compared to what he could do in terms of technical aspects of it, right?

@26:59 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

a It's their mindset, right?

@27:01 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yes. And so this is what you're paying Rick Rubin for. You're paying Rick Rubin to reinvent the band or to push them to a trajectory or get them out of their comfort zones to make it okay, right?

There's a famous story with, because he worked with System of the Down on the song Chop Suey, and, you know, he's a very, like, intuitive force, Rick Rubin.

So, Serge had trouble coming up with lyrics for that one part in the middle, like the bridge part.

@27:36 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Okay.

@27:37 - skwapich@shaw.ca

You know, that was a father now, why have you forsaken me?

@27:40 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, yeah.

@27:41 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So he couldn't think of a lyric for that. And so Rick Rubin goes, just close your eyes, walk over to the bookcase, and just grab any book and turn to any page.

And he did that. And the first thing that he came out was, Father, why have you forsaken me? And he's like, we're using it.

Right? That's crazy. Yeah. And so... That's most famous line of that song, right?

@28:03 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Like it's... And it's not why'd leave your keys up on the table. Because you wanted to. Right. That song's so good.

@28:11 - skwapich@shaw.ca

But yeah, he worked with like, okay, so he worked with LL Cool J, the Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Slayer, which is weird to go from that, The Colts, because he was Slayer, because he had his Def Jam records, right?

Yeah.

@28:26 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

So he had all these rap acts, and he brought Slayer, and I think the Beastie Boys, and Danzig was on Def Jam.

@28:32 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@28:32 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

For a long time too.

@28:34 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Red Hot Chili Peppers, Sir Mix-A-Lot, Mick Jagger, Joan Jett, Tom Petty, Johnny Cash.

@28:45 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Which that's probably the most famous thing he ever did, was getting Johnny Cash to record cover songs.

@28:49 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. He's responsible for Hurt.

@28:52 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

He's responsible for Hurt. He's the producer for arguably Johnny Cash's most famous song at this point. I mean, I Yeah.

Yeah, it's his song now.

@29:02 - skwapich@shaw.ca

He worked with Nine Inch Nails, he worked with ACDC, he worked with System of the Down, like I said, Sheryl Crow, Rage Against the Machine, Eagle Eye Cherry.

They don't belong in the conversation, though.

@29:20 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Who, Eagle Eye Cherry?

@29:21 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Erosmith, Audioslave, Limp Bizkit, you know.

@29:26 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

He produced the chicks when he spoke about the Dixie Chicks.

@29:29 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. Yeah.

@29:30 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

But Natalie Maynes, there's a quote from Natalie Maynes, from the lead singer of the Dixie Chicks, she says, Rick Rubin has the ability and patience to let music be discovered, not manufactured, and this kind of goes into our whole conversation, explains it perfectly.

It's all, it's organics, and that's why he doesn't wear shoes. He just wants to be.

@29:52 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Grounded.

@29:53 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Grounded. Have you ever watched the, it's probably not, it's on Disney. I think I might have told you about it before.

It's called McCartney 321 or something to that effect.

@30:06 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No, I have not.

@30:07 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It's like a six-episode series where it's just him and Paul at a mixing desk, and he's asking Paul about how, okay, this is Rick's favorite Beatles songs, and Paul just explains how the songs were created and stuff.

Rick's fascinating to listen to talk because he knows so much, and he's not even, never went to producing school, nothing.

@30:28 - skwapich@shaw.ca

He just knows about music, and, yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, it is interesting to get Rick Rubin because he's not technically, he doesn't know technical stuff.

No. He's not going to sit in front of a mixer boy and start pushing buttons and, like, you know, that's not where you're hiring him for.

Like, you're hiring him to develop confidence in you. Having said that, do you are aware that there's an Iron Maiden documentary coming out on May 7th?

@30:56 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I did. I am aware of that.

@30:58 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's called Burning Ambition?

@30:59 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah. Yeah. It's probably not coming. It's coming to movie theaters.

@31:03 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I don't think it's going come. It's Yeah.

@31:04 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah. It's not going to be coming here.

@31:05 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I don't think. No, but I'll probably wait for that to be on some court of streaming service. hell yeah.

@31:11 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I don't know a lot about, like, obviously we've listened to their music, tons of it, but there's not a lot of info out there about, especially the eighties.

@31:20 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They're of private.

@31:21 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Hey. Yeah.

@31:22 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Like they, they don't, they're not like quiet. Yeah.

@31:25 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

They're not like. see how it goes, especially into the nineties when they, you know, when Bruce leaves. And Adrian leaves and, and, uh, how all that goes.

And hopefully blaze will be in it. And just to see where they were at meant like sort of mentally.

Okay, great. We were the biggest band and now we're just playing clubs.

@31:42 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I do. I do have like a bit of a dilemma with blaze Bailey because like, I like blaze Bailey, his passion for music.

Like I, I even watch his videos to this day where he's playing in front of 10 people, 12 people, maybe not that low, but

He full sends it, regardless if there's 12 or 12,000 people in the audience. He just full sends it, right?

And so his passion for his craft is amazing. Like, I absolutely adore that of him. Bruce left Iron Maiden.

They had to get a replacement singer. Bruce, on paper, checked all the boxes because he's capable of all that hard singing.

He's a phenomenal singer. Some people say it was the darkest time in Iron Maiden when he was in the band.

I know you don't agree with that because you're a pretty big Blaze Bailey fan. I love Blaze. let's be honest, some of the songs on those two albums are very good songs.

@32:44 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

The X Factor is a great record. If Bruce sang that record, it probably would have said Iron Maiden's back.

But having said that, not so much.

@32:52 - skwapich@shaw.ca

We have seen Bruce sing the X Factor songs. He does it better. number. He does it better.

@33:02 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No. He does Man on the Edge better. I've heard him do that. Okay, I'll give him that. It's song.

But Sign of the Cross plays all day long. For me, it plays. It's a brooding song, and it needs a brooding voice.

@33:16 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I can't imagine having to step into Iron Maiden and fill Bruce Dickinson's shoes. You know, that's going to be a fail globally from the audience.

Unless you're a Bruce Dickinson clone, you're already under the microscope.

@33:35 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Like what Journey did with Arnel Canera, or whatever his name is, where they got the Steve Perry clone. It's the way it's going to work, right?

It's the only way it's going to work. You can change guitar players and drummers and bass players. not Iron Maiden, can't.

A bass player, you can't. Everybody else is interchangeable in Maiden, except for the bass, and I have to say the vocals.

... ... Thank Bruce. Bruce is the voice.

@34:01 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Harris is Iron Maiden. He's the leader of the band. He writes most of the material, too, right? But, yeah, like, unless you get an identical clone of his voice, it's, like, how do you sing Bruce Dickinson?

Like, he's such an iconic entity for Iron Maiden. It's impossible to replicate that, to hit that level, right?

@34:22 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

And no shade to William Duvall of Alice in Chains, but it's not the same.

@34:26 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's not the same.

@34:27 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Maybe that's the whole point, right? It's not supposed to be the same, but...

@34:31 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Iron Maiden feels that niche of, like, Rush as well. It's, like, you, or Alice in Chains, like, back in the day, it's, like, you either like the singing or you don't, right?

And I know a lot of people that don't like Iron Maiden, it's specifically the singing that they do not enjoy.

@34:44 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

My cannot stand Bruce Dickinson's voice.

@34:47 - skwapich@shaw.ca

the same way. doesn't like his voice, right?

@34:50 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Like, that vocals is terrible. I'm what are talking about? It's terrible. Especially, like, in their, like, more recent stuff.

She's like, he just needs to shut up. I'm like, yeah, fair enough. You're welcome. right. Why does he repeat the chorus 10,000 times?

I don't know. There's no reason for it. I love it. I love Bruce's voice. I'd like to see him solo just to see, just to see, but, uh, I don't know.

It's a, like the rock hall. It's a, it's, it's a good list.

@35:16 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's, I think, aside from, I think it's better than last year's list. Honestly, I've had some, some, okay, well, I guess they're really thin this year or last year, I should say, but like, to me, I, I looked at it trying to find, I know you don't share my sentiment with it, but I looked at it trying to find, I don't think they should be in it, but I, I couldn't like, I think everyone in the, at least in the performer category deserves to be there.

I know we're going to differ on Oasis, but.

@35:46 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

We are. Well, and even, um, Linda Creed as well. She's a prolific songwriter.

@35:52 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So let me ask. Sorry.

@35:55 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, go.

@35:56 - skwapich@shaw.ca

What is specifically the early influencer award?

@36:01 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

That's a good question. Who got that?

@36:04 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Why is that separated from the performance category?

@36:07 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I mean, I guess I can just Google it, right? Who got the early influence award?

@36:10 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Queen Latifah.

@36:14 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Well, because on their website, she's just in his musical influence. She's the original female. She's the she's the OG female hip hop goddess.

Right. I think it's a travesty.

@36:27 - skwapich@shaw.ca

She's taken her this long to get into.

@36:28 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, she's like, come on. It's Queen Latifah. And she's on a TV show. She's equalizer. Come on, man.

@36:40 - skwapich@shaw.ca

That's weird. Okay. So the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's early influencer award recently rebranded as the musical influence award honors artists whose music predated rock and roll or existed outside its mainstream, but significantly inspired rocks leading artists in the evolution of the genre selected by committee.

These find your shape music's core sound. So the 2026 class features Selena Cruz, Fila Cootie, Graham Parsons, Queen Latifah, and MC Light.

@37:09 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Okay.

@37:10 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So the category ensures that the original impact and influence changed the course of rock and roll is recognized, often bridging genres like Afrobeat country rock and hip-hop traditional rock.

@37:20 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

That's fair enough.

@37:21 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Okay.

@37:22 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

That makes sense. Because she, you know, sure, there was male artists out there, but back in, like, mid-'80s, there wasn't a lot of females.

@37:32 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Queen Latifah.

@37:32 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

She's cool, man.

@37:34 - skwapich@shaw.ca

She entered into a space where there was not a lot of female representation back in the day, right? So, you know, she challenged stereotypes for sure.

@37:45 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

She was the first hip-hop artist to be awarded the BET Lifetime Achievement Award in 2021 and the first female rapper to be inducted into the National Recording Registry.

@37:56 - skwapich@shaw.ca

The last time I saw Queen Latifah, well, not live. Two Two. Thank But on video was on 21 Jump Street with Jonah Hill.

@38:07 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, the movie.

@38:08 - skwapich@shaw.ca

OK, yeah, because she plays Ice Cube's wife.

@38:12 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, nice.

@38:13 - skwapich@shaw.ca

And I don't know if you've watched it, but Jonah Hill ends up dating Ice Cube's daughter in the movie.

And they find out when their parents are meeting for the first time that the police captain is the girl's, the daughter's dad.

And he's like, there's a lot of witnesses here at dinner, isn't there?

@38:33 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I love it. That's hilarious.

@38:35 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's so good.

@38:36 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah.

@38:37 - skwapich@shaw.ca

an underrated movie. It's so funny, actually. 21 Jump Street.

@38:41 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah. She was born Dana Owens in 1970 and she wrote her first, in 1988, she recorded a demo that showcased her assured commanding flow, resulting in her signing to Tommy Boy Records, her debut album, All Hail the Queen, 1989.

Featured the feminist anthem, Ladies First, a short. In contrast to the rampant sexism and racism in the industry, which in the late 80s, you know, there was all that going on with all those stupid glam rock people, hair metal and all that mumbo jumbo.

So yeah, she's a trailblazer, man.

@39:15 - skwapich@shaw.ca

She totally deserves it. She does.

@39:17 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

She does. Anyways.

@39:19 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. But yeah, I like the list. I have no problem with it. It makes sense to me. You know, Phil Collins' daughter lived in Richmond, by the way.

@39:31 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, Lily, Lily Collins. Yeah.

@39:33 - skwapich@shaw.ca

She's the same age as my sister and went to Richmond High. I might be a year younger, but yeah.

@39:38 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Really?

@39:39 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@39:41 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Were they, I guess they weren't friends, were they?

@39:43 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No.

@39:44 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No.

@39:45 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I mean, they knew of each other, I think, but not really friends.

@39:48 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

There you go.

@39:49 - skwapich@shaw.ca

So.

@39:50 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

That's, that's a cool, that's a cool. A little bit of a nugget there for you. Cliff Clavin, a little known fact.

@39:57 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Cliff Clavin. Oh man, I have one. We Cheers in years.

@40:01 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, my God. It's on, like, when we're flipping channels, it's on, like, whatever bloody channel it's on. Who knows?

Who cares? Some channel where they only show old TV shows. And we pop Cheers on every once in while.

@40:12 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Man, that show was good. So the guy from, correct me if I'm wrong, but the judge from Night Court, Harry.

Remember Night Court?

@40:22 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

He was on Cheers.

@40:24 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, he was a recurring character on He was a recurring character on Cheers. But he was also, like, a magician on Cheers, too, right?

He was, yes. So is it, like, is that, like, low-key him before he was the judge, or was he a judge coming into the, like, I feel like those things are connected.

@40:41 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Well, they have to be. He probably was, like, a magician kind of guy, but he's also probably a comic as well.

And then he got on to Cheers, and then everyone's like, hey, this guy's awesome. Let's give him a show, right?

@40:54 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Dude, I watch Night Court, man, so much.

@40:56 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Did you watch the reboot of Night Court?

@40:58 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No, with the... It was his daughter, I think, or something.

@41:02 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

with Harry Anderson's quote-unquote daughter.

@41:04 - skwapich@shaw.ca

No.

@41:05 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

What's her name from Big Bang?

@41:07 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Was it in again?

@41:08 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It wasn't bad, actually. was pretty funny. John Larroquette was back in it.

@41:12 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I'm not sure there was too many Oh, that's right, yeah.

@41:14 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

That are still with us. Because I'm pretty sure like Marshall Warfield, the security lady, the bailiff, and obviously the big, tall, bald guy, he's gone.

Bull. Bull, yeah, exactly. That's funny. Yeah, I love watching old TV. Old TV is so good. It's so much better than, well, I'm not going to say it's better than TV now.

It's just, maybe it's just familiar, right? You just know what you're going get.

@41:40 - skwapich@shaw.ca

you didn't get away with effects back then. You had to have actually concrete storylines and like connections and relationships in TV shows.

@41:47 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

You You to act.

@41:48 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. Having said that, we just watched Tron Aries last night.

@41:52 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Oh, boy. I couldn't get through it. I couldn't do it.

@41:55 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@41:56 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No, it's funny because I was like, okay, this isn't. Fathom, and it's just Jared Leto, I just, I, whatever.

@42:05 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It's actually a good role for him.

@42:07 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It is.

@42:08 - skwapich@shaw.ca

To be honest, like, cause he's not forced to like.

@42:11 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No.

@42:11 - skwapich@shaw.ca

To be Jared Leto. Do much, like he's just a computer program, but. Yeah. I will tell you, it's probably one of the most visually stunning movies I've ever watched in my life.

Oh my God. It's crazy, isn't it? Like, I'm just like, we're watching it in 4K on a, like a new TV.

@42:25 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I'm just like this.

@42:25 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I keep saying the whole time we're watching, I'm like, this is one of the most visually stunning movies I've ever watched in my life.

@42:31 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

That's, when they say it's made for, when they say it's made for IMAX, it's made for IMAX.

@42:35 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Watching it on IMAX would have been amazing, honestly.

@42:38 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have I watched any movies lately? I don't think so. Like I told you. No, I, oh, oh.

I was watching it on four episodes into the Darth Maul animated show. Oh yeah. Was it good? Oh my God.

It's like the best Star Wars in a long, long, long time.

@42:59 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah. Star Wars. and you

@43:00 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

We something for the fan base to clutch onto here. It needs to stay animated. I know we're going off on a tangent here, but I don't care.

@43:08 - skwapich@shaw.ca

It'll be the last thing, so. That's fine.

@43:11 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Star Wars needs to stay animated and do gritty stories like this. Darth Maul, it's like detective show with Jedis and bad guys.

@43:20 - skwapich@shaw.ca

You know what?

@43:21 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It's awesome.

@43:22 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Give me a live action rated R Star Wars.

@43:25 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Absolutely.

@43:26 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Give me some great.

@43:27 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Don't pander. Don't pander to everybody. Just, just, just go straight. Let's go full evil, man.

@43:33 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Full evil. some Sith decapitating people with their laser swords. That's, that's what I want.

@43:39 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Maul cut some guy in half in the first episode.

@43:41 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Oh, there you go.

@43:42 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

You know?

@43:42 - skwapich@shaw.ca

But it's animated, so they can get away with a PG rating, I guess.

@43:46 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

It's probably PG, but man, it's, it's so good. There's so much dialogue. The episodes are way too short, but there's a lot of, it's such great dialogue.

Not even, it's like 22, 24, something like that. But man, and they just go by like. Yeah. Just all of a it starts like, oh, what?

That's it? like, man. But I don't know how many episodes are going to be. Eight, 10, who knows? 12?

I don't know. I'm hoping lots. Season two has already been approved. So let's, let's go. Give me some more Darth Maul.

He's awesome. He's probably my favorite villain now.

@44:17 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, I feel like they made a massive mistake, you know, with how episode one ended. Like, I felt like he could have been the recurring villain.

@44:26 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

You could have left him in all the way through episode two and have Anakin kill him, him and Obi-Wan kill him in episode two, and not have Dooku at all.

You didn't need Dooku.

@44:34 - skwapich@shaw.ca

You didn't need Dooku. You need Darth Maul for all three of those. Right. And then, and then Anakin kills Darth Maul and becomes the new apprentice.

That's, that's would have been better.

@44:45 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

But I do understand the Obi-Wan versus Anakin. Yes.

@44:48 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Had to do it. Or, you know, Anakin could have killed Maul at the beginning of three and then they could have just kept the movie the same and then Anakin just takes his.

Yeah, like he killed the Dooku.

@44:59 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, like he just. Fives off the platform and, oh, won't, oh, save my wife, let's do it.

@45:04 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@45:04 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, you're going to destroy the galaxy? I don't care. don't care.

@45:08 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah.

@45:09 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I take it for you in our new empire. Anyways, that's the show.

@45:17 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Rock and roll inductees minus Oasis.

@45:21 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, Mike's hot take. I hate Oasis. But that's okay.

@45:26 - skwapich@shaw.ca

We disagree on that. I think we always I I don't listen to a lot of Oasis personally, but I understand why they were in the nominations list.

What a great song.

@45:39 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Be like saying, it'd be like saying, for me anyway, just, I don't know, any band I, like, Nickelback is the perfect example.

@45:47 - skwapich@shaw.ca

There's no bloody way. They're making it.

@45:49 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

They're not.

@45:50 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Mark my words, in 15 years, when I messaged you and said, did you see the rock and roll nominations?

And you're like, I don't want to.

@45:57 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Be like, I told you they're getting it. I don't want, I don't want.

@46:02 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They sell out arenas, man.

@46:04 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Still to this day. They will be in there.

@46:06 - skwapich@shaw.ca

They will be there. I guarantee you.

@46:10 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No, damn it. Is Nine Inch Nails in the Hall of Fame?

@46:15 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Don't know. Should they be?

@46:17 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No. Why should they be? Their greatest song is a song that was covered by somebody else.

@46:25 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yeah, he's famous. Trent Reznor is famous for hearing he's on a cash version and going, it's no longer my song.

Yeah, it's not my As soon as he heard it, he's like, it's no longer my song. But I mean Nine Inch Nails is revolutionary for like the industrial movement, right?

So when you think of industrial music, Nine Inch Nails is like number one up there.

@46:42 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah. I was gonna... Oh, Tron Aries before we go.

@46:47 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yes.

@46:48 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

So I saw about 45 to an hour of it and then I turned it off. I felt the music was forced in there.

@46:55 - skwapich@shaw.ca

The Trent Reznor and Atticus.

@46:57 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah. Yeah. It was pure Nine Inch Nails.

@47:00 - skwapich@shaw.ca

There was no Atticus Ross, was all Nine Inch Nails. Oh, was it?

@47:02 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Okay. Yeah. I think it would have been better with more of an orchestral or just not having it as the Nine Inch Nails brand and having the Reznor Atticus Ross sauce as opposed to just Nine Inch Nails.

I don't know. I just thought the music, it didn't fit. It didn't fit to me.

@47:19 - skwapich@shaw.ca

The previous Tron was Daft Punk, I believe, wasn't it?

@47:22 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Yeah, well, of course.

@47:23 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Tron Legacy was Daft Punk.

@47:25 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Tron Legacy was so good.

@47:27 - skwapich@shaw.ca

And that fit perfectly because Daft Punk's music is... I'm saying it wasn't as bad as people said I was enjoying it.

@47:33 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

I just, I just like, I don't know, I had to go to bed or just turn it off and then I never started it again.

Like, I'm good. I saw an hour, I'm fine.

@47:41 - skwapich@shaw.ca

I don't need any more. Yeah, it's definitely not a movie that once it ends, I'm going to be talking about it for months.

@47:45 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Like, it's... Like, the whole Tron thing's funny if you think about it. Like, the first movie kind of sucked.

Like, it wasn't good.

@47:51 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Well, it was based off a video game originally, right?

@47:53 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

based, yeah, like back in the 80s. And then they bring back Legacy. Legacy bombed. And now it's like 20 years later.

@47:59 - skwapich@shaw.ca

let's try Let's do it again for I don't know what good reason for no good reason and then they did it again it's like okay like I just think the color tones in it with like the red on the black like it's it's so visually yes stunning man like it's I can't even imagine what their CGI budget was for that movie bring Daft Punk back put their music get them out of retirement get them back together and take all the dialogue out of the movie and just have like just a silent film with his music maybe could do it because was any of the dialogue worth remembering probably not no just do you find the permanence code yeah that's if you've seen it you know what I'm talking about you don't yeah that's what I was trying to remember that's what they're doing the permit I thinking of remembrance code but I'm like that's not right close close yeah and all the answers right anyways yeah all right okay that's it that's it that's all we'll be back next week at the end of April is in April next

@49:00 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

No. Well, if we do Thursday again it will be.

@49:02 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Yes.

@49:03 - Mandatory Music (mandatorymusicshow@gmail.com)

Close. Anyways, bye.

@49:05 - skwapich@shaw.ca

Bye. And I hit the right button this time. You didn't just exit out immediately? I'm like, well, okay, he really needed to go.