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Welcome And Jane’s Hot Streak

SPEAKER_01 0:00

What's up, boys and girls? Welcome back to the Steep Stuff Podcast. I'm your host, James Loriello, and I'm so excited to catch up with you guys and bring you an episode, another one, with Miss Jane Moss. That's right, my Las Prativa teammate is back on the podcast not too long after her fourth place finish at the Broken Arrow 46K. We caught up with Jane because Jane is on Team USA. She's going to be racing the short trail distance, so the marathon distance at Can Frank at Worlds in September. So just around the corner. Caught up with Jane also, not too far removed also from her first place finish at the Cirque Series Snowbird race, which was pretty competitive this year. Yeah, Jane's been on a heater and she's working on, she's got some things she's working on. She's actually, I think we can give this away because she's she talked about it on the podcast, but she's working on a peak that's in Wyoming right now. Uh you probably could guess it. It's a pretty famous one. Um so yeah, some good stuff to be talked about there, and I think she's pretty excited about it. So yeah, we caught up, we talked all the things about worlds, her excitement level, um, and yeah, we talked post-race broken arrow and just a bunch of stuff. It was a good conversation. Oh, we always fun to have uh always fun to have Jane on the podcast just to talk about things. So super excited. Hope you guys enjoy this one. Always always a favorite of mine. Without further ado, Jane Moss.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

It's going well. I am excited to be back.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

I know, I know. You're you're a third time, I think this is third time, third, or fourth. So we gotta, and this is like we got a good thing going here. This is uh yeah, we're keeping it rolling. Lots of good stuff to talk about. Um for starters, you had a great, you know, I would call it a podium finish hit broken arrow, even if they just counted as top three. I think they should start counting like top five or top ten as the podium, in my opinion, with how crazy it's gotten as far as competition goes. You also made the short trail team go into worlds. You just won the Cirque Series Snowbird. You're on like a heater right now. Like what's what's the excitement feeling like?

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Excitement

From Setbacks To Consistency

SPEAKER_00 3:10

is very high. Um I yeah, I feel like I didn't really know what this year would bring. I had a lot of different potential plans going into the year. Um, but right now I'm yeah, riding a high, very excited on how the year's been going um and excited to see where it takes me. Um, so it's been a fun, a fun past few months, and I think it'll be a fun rest of the summer too.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

I know it's kind of crazy, like looking back. Like I think you and I chatted almost like right after Broken Arrow when you had uh you had a rough day out. Um, and you everything was kind of up in the air. You're like, oh, I don't know if I'm gonna go run Gorge and run the 100K or if I'm gonna maybe focus on you know shorter stuff. And this was before like you had even signed up for Broken Arrow. So it's kind of cool to see how things have just like progressed and it's just it's just turned into a really good summer for you so far.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Yeah, I feel like, yeah, because we chatted after Black Canyon. Um, and I feel like sometimes the worst races, like I felt really defeated after that and had no idea what my plan would be for the year. Um but I feel like a lot of silver linings came out of it, and my whole year is totally different than I could have planned. Um and I thought my only chance of like making the world's team, like I had a tentative plan laid out, would be I thought my only chance would be for the long course team when I was gonna try and race Gorge. But I kind of gave up on that plan and was like, I'm just gonna have have a fun year and race things that inspire me. So this was not in my potential plan. So yeah, I think Stoke is reignited after being quite low after last time we talked to before or after Black Canyon.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

For sure, for sure. You know, one thing I I try to remember, like one thing we didn't get into too much from our first episode that I did want to get back in with you is you had a long time of like injury. Like from I had talked to, and he didn't share too much, um, but one of your former PTs, Jimmy Picard, had just mentioned in passing one time when I was talking to him about an injury of my own, um, because he had I think he had listened to your episode, and he's like, Oh, Jane, you know, I'm so excited for her to finally be having, you know, like a great season after some years of injury or sustained a period of injury that you had gone through. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 5:14

Yes. Um, yeah, I found Jimmy uh 2022, I believe. Um starting in 2020, that's kind of when I really started spending more time um trail running and kind of committing it to it a little bit more. And then I had really chronic right hip and knee issues um that kept me out for two separate periods of like five, six months. Um, and right when I kind of felt like I was finding my stride and started to do more competitive races, like injury stuff would just flare up and I would like have to take so much time off. So I got super defeated. Um, so Jimmy helped me uh with like a strength training routine. Um, and even like working with him a lot, I still was just like I just couldn't figure out like the root cause of what was going on, and I was just continually taking a lot of time off. Um, and I honestly feel like up until um beginning of last year, I haven't like that's when I really started feeling healthy and that I could start like lining up for races consistently. And I'm just like chronic right side things will always be a problem for me. Um I have a twenty immobile angle. So just things that I will always be dealing with, but I've learned to manage them a lot better and take off time when I need to, so it doesn't lead to like five, six months of time off. So I could like train and race more consistently consistently. Um but it's really good to be in that spot after just having like so many times of totally giving up on running because I didn't know if like

Training Smart With Injuries

SPEAKER_00 6:45

I would ever be able to solve these injuries. Um, but Jimmy did play a big role in me like finding a good toolbox and like believing in myself and knowing like what load I can tolerate.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

It's interesting. It's funny you say that. Like it's kind of something I'm going through right now, is like trying to figure out like, okay, what is the balance? Like, what's the balance between breaking yourself or like having like a happy medium where like you don't have to take time off, but also you're able to get sustained solid training and for the good stuff, but not overdoing it. It's not exactly a a defined science, but yeah, it's it's an interesting balance.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

And I've yeah, and sometimes it can be frustrating, like over the years of figuring out what works for me. Like I would, I'm not a super high volume runner, and I don't think I ever will be. So I have to be a lot smarter with my training. And I feel like with like working through injuries um and trying to train and compete at a high level, I thought I was like the only one that was consistently taking time off and working through these things. But then like talking to other runners and talking to people on the start lines, like it's so extremely common. And everyone has these things that they're always working through, and you just learn to manage it. Um, and no one's having those ideal training blocks all the time, and no one's able to consistently line up to start lines like whenever they want to. Um, and it's just part of like being in the sport and accepting that this is a very high impact sport and takes a lot of um takes a lot of load and you have to be smart in the way you're training and racing. Um, but it's like just part of the game and doing everything you can to control that. But um, yeah, we're all we're all dealt different, different hands.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

For sure, for sure. It is so crazy. I I couldn't agree more. Like, I used to think, like, oh, maybe is this just like a me thing? And then you realize it's like, no, everyone's broken in some way, shape, or form, and they're all just trying to figure out how to show up healthy. And I mean, look at like your one of your competitors or like Ryan Becker was at uh at Broken Arrow. That poor guy has gone through so much with his Achilles, like just so many different people go through like all this crazy stuff, and it's it's just interesting.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Um let's uh oh when you realize like you're on the start line, like pretty much no one is 100% healthy. It's like okay, we're we're managing these little tweaks and injuries, and we're hoping for the best on race day.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

Yeah, no, that's for sure. That's for sure. I gotta get into broken

Broken Arrow Strategy And Execution

SPEAKER_01 9:02

arrow. I gotta talk about this because this was I I gotta say, like I don't I'm not very accurate in my race predictions. Um sometimes I'm really good. Like for Sunapee, I was I was like spot on. Broken arrow, I couldn't have been more off except for my prediction for you. And I was like, yes. I was like, uh the only thing I had was like you either in the fourth spot or the third spot, like somewhere in that mix. And I was like, this is this, I got it. I finally got one. Um, thank you for by the way. But also, I gotta, I gotta give you your flowers for like saying, like, what an amazingly executed race. Like, you just had such a good day out there. And I mean, it paid off. You were selected for um off a resume spot to go to the world's team. Um, can you talk a little bit about how the race unfolded for you, just the nerves going in, how you felt throughout the race? And we can kind of go from there.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yeah. Well, first of all, thank you for believing in me. Um, the pre-broken arrow race uh interview that we did, and you predicted me in top five. I zero percent believed you. So thank you for that. Um this was so I feel like I barely had a training block for this race because I was having a bunch of knee pain. Um, and my coach Rick Floyd, um, I talked to him about a month and a half before, and he's like, if this doesn't clear up within like the next couple weeks, probably not a good idea to race. So I was just hoping I was doing everything I could to kind of help it clear up, and it cleared up just in time. So I had like a two-week specific training block for Broconero and I raced GoPro games. That was kind of like my one workout of the block. Um, and then Monday of race week, where I was excited to we were gonna, I drove out to Tahoe on Tuesday, and I was all excited to head out um and do the race. I rolled my ankle coming out of my car in just in my sandals, and my ankle like ballooned and bruised up, and I thought I broke my toe. So I went and got x-rays because I was like, I just broke my foot, I can't race broken arrow. I was like limping.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

Um yeah, this was of race week, and I was like, can't race. Um I called my coach and he's like, chances are you'll be okay. I've seen this like way too many times, and I think you'll be fine as long as you can run like a couple days before the race. So I stayed off of it. Um, two days before the race, did a flat four-mile run just to test it out. And it was pretty good. Um, so he's like, You can for sure line up to the start line. Um, race the first lap. If it's in any pain, you probably have to drop. So I went into this race, honestly, pretty bumming with zero expectations because the block went poorly and I had a bum ankle, but I taped it up and actually didn't feel any pain the whole race. Um but I like had goals for the race still. I was like, if if my foot feels okay, like I can still try and race hard, I really have absolutely nothing to lose because I'm at the start line. Um, so my goal was for the first lap to stay within the top 10 because this field was super deep. Um, and I didn't want to go out too fast, um, especially since there are two laps, and I feel like I'm a little bit better at the longer stuff, um, kind of strategy-wise. So my goal is to come in the first lap, top 10, and I came in seventh. And then I'm not necessarily like faster than these people by any means, but I I feel like I'm a like a strong, resilient runner, so I can um kind of like keep my paces and effort throughout. So then for the second lap, I was able to pick off a few people and then ended up coming in uh fourth, which was like me and Rick had talked about that kind of being my strategy, and I was able to execute it perfectly, um, which I don't know, was honestly kind of surprising to me that I was able to my second lap was um pretty

Racing With Friends And Rivals

SPEAKER_00 12:45

consistent with my first, which was my goal, but that is hard to do um and not to go out too fast and be able to maintain that for the second lap. Um, so I did execute my race strategy, I guess, pretty flawlessly. Um, nutrition and hydration went really well during as well. And my coach was actually on course because he he coached quite a few of us at Broken Arrow, which was pretty cool. Um, so he was at the top of the first climb in the first lap. And then as I came through the first lap, he was there kind of like giving me words of encouragement, kind of telling me where women were at. Um but I really didn't know because I haven't done too many super stacked races, so I didn't exactly know who I would be able to keep up with and who I would be racing against. Um, but I had a few people in mind, and I was I I surprised myself that I was able to like race with these women and end up coming in fourth place. So it definitely was a confidence booster of a day, and I'm thrilled with how it played out.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

So crazy. I was cheering the whole way. I was like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. Jane's gonna pull it off. Oh, let me ask you this because I I didn't look at splits before we hopped on our call. I was Danny in sight. Like, did you get close to her at all? Like, were you able, like, did you see her? Like, or like were you that close? Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Yeah, so the first lap, um I saw her pretty much throughout. Uh, we ran together for maybe what 30 seconds at mile four until she passed me, but I had her in sight and I kind of was like, She was in maybe fourth or fifth at that time. And I just know she is such a smart 50k racer that I was like, if I can stay with her in any realm, she's gonna run a really smart race. Um, so I saw her and then coming towards the end of the second lap, she was climbing up and I was about two minutes back, but I could see her. And then I saw her again, second lap at the top of one of the climbs, um, right before I passed Grayson. And my coach was like, You're a couple minutes off of Danny, like you can like go get her. Um so I was decently close to her second half of the second lap. And then she ran an absolutely phenomenal downhill for that second lap and ended up beating me by like quite a few minutes, and I was shocked. I was like, I could literally see her, and she beat me by I don't know how much seven, eight, eleven minutes, something crazy. So she just ran a super fast downhill. Um, but yeah, she was kind of within my sight for most of the race, which was cool.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Damn, that's crazy. So it's crazy to see how close you guys were. Were when you finished, because obviously, and I think I asked Noah about this too, because it's like when you you finished, you're the first person off the team, technically, right? Were you more excited

Team USA Selection And Timing

SPEAKER_01 15:30

about your result, or were you a little more bummed that you didn't just get yourself an auto spot? Like where was your head at?

SPEAKER_00 15:37

I was very excited about my result. Um, I had in no world that I would get top three at this race. Um so that honestly wasn't even my goal. And just the fact that I finished fourth behind these women um and under five hours, which I wasn't expecting either. I was just thrilled with my result. I was like, if this gets me on the team, like amazing. I had quite a few people at the end tell me, because it didn't even cross my mind. I was like, well, I miss top three, I'm not on the team. But some people were telling me at the end, like, you just for sure earned a spot on the team. I was like, but I didn't get top three. But they were like, this weight, this race is weighted so heavily. Um, but it was pretty much only excitement. I had no disappointment when I came through in fourth place.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Yeah, I bet, I bet. I gotta ask you some gracing questions. Like, what did it feel like, especially because you guys go so far back, like you've been friends forever. Um, what was it like being um you know in a race with her for the first time in a while? What was it like kind of competing with her? And then now how does it feel that you guys are gonna be on a team together going to compete at worlds?

SPEAKER_00 16:40

It's so exciting. Um, it kind of, I don't know, feels like we've come full circle that we put both get to compete at worlds together now because we've played soccer together since we were in high school. Um, we both got into running after high school. We were kind of like the two in our high school that like tried to take running a little bit further. Um we went to the I went to her first trail race with her. Um so it's been really exciting to kind of see her on this journey and to get to share this journey with her. Um, and then when I found out she was gonna be a broken arrow too, um I was very excited. And we ran a little bit together at the beginning. And I I did think because she's never done this distance before, I was like, this is maybe the only chance I'll ever have to to beat her, just because she might not know the strategy of a 50k or have nutrition figured out or things like that. Um, but she ended up taking off, and I was I mean, she's just such a strong runner that I was like, um it was fun starting the race with you. I probably will never see her again. Um, and I mean she now has the ultra game already figured out, getting third at speed goat. So I did tell her, um I texted her after, I was like, that was my before you figured out the nutrition component, that was my one chance to ever beat you. So I will I will take that. And now she works with Rick Floyd as well. Um, so he's gonna help her just take off as an ultra runner as well. Um, but it was I don't know, it was really fun getting to share the start line with her, and then finishing fourth and fifth too, and both finding out that we made the world's team is like, I don't know, feels really full circle.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Special, very special, like such a cool moment. Um, especially given just like, yeah, like how long you guys have known each other and just like how how far that goes back. So I very, very cool. All right, so you're on the team now. How long did it like I asked um I know Noah found out a little bit later. I who else did I ask? I'm trying to remember. Like some people knew ahead of time and some people knew a little bit later. It seems like I don't know if they let everybody know at once. Like how how long ahead of time did you know?

SPEAKER_00 18:40

I was told the day of broken arrow that my chances were like 99.9%. So I kind of had it in the back of my head that I think I have made the team. Um, but I didn't know officially until so they announced it publicly July 15th. That's right. I heard one week before that, um, I got a c I got a call and they told me that I had

Summer Plans And Tetons Training

SPEAKER_00 19:02

officially made the team but not to announce it until they announced it. Um, so yeah, first week of July, I officially found out.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

There's a little a little time for anxiously awaiting. Like, am I gonna make the team? Am I not gonna make the team?

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Yeah, yeah, no, I can imagine. Like, especially because, like we said, like you and Noah ended up in a very similar position, and I had already spoken to Noah. So like he had kind of given me similar, just a similar kind of thing, he's like, Oh, I hope so, but I don't know. And I'm like, you have to weigh broken arrow based off like the way you guys executed your races. It's kind of funny you're both on the Sportiva team too. I don't know, I find that kind of you know sportiva represents.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

I know, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Um, but like the way you guys both executed your races was just so like on point. But just the the waiting game and this, that, and the other. See, I I was under the impression originally, and I have to correct this publicly because I messed this up and and Helen did call me out for it. But like I was always under the impression, thanks, Tom Hooper, for your your your spotty information here, that spot. Spots would roll down. And I publicly messed that up really bad because I was like, oh, all right, Danny already told me she's not going to take care of it. So I was like, oh, it'll just roll down to Jane. Easy enough. No, no, no. That's not how it worked. So um, yeah, I'm glad that it it kind of worked out, even though without things rolling down, it still worked out the way it was supposed to, which was great.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

I was unsure about that too, because I had heard from some people they didn't roll down. But then when I finished, I had a few people tell me, like, you just made the team, the spot rolls down. I was like, I don't, I don't know what the real information is here, but I hope they weigh fourth, fifth, sixth places heavily enough that it technically kind of rolls down.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Yeah. Exactly. Well, that's the thing. Technically, technically. Um, how do you feel? Are you excited? Like have you changed pretty much all your summer plans now for racing now that you've on this team?

SPEAKER_00 20:51

A little bit. Um, because I was I had a lot of tentative plans for this year, and I really couldn't make a decision of what I wanted to do this year. So I feel like it was good timing that this happened. I'm like, okay, now I have a set decision of what I'm gonna prioritize this year. So that's definitely my focus for the rest of the year is that race. Um, I was signed up for Leadville, obviously not doing that. I was back and forth between that as well because I don't quite feel ready to run 100 miles. Um, so that's obviously off the table. Um, but I was gonna do a UT and B qualifier in October. I was gonna do Kodiak 100K. That's too close. Now I won't be doing that. Um, so I didn't really have a plan for the rest of the summer, um, which makes it all the better that I was able to qualify for this T. So now I kind of have a solid race in the schedule. But um I did have the idea of spending some time in the Tetons. So I actually got to Wyoming yesterday. Um, so I'll spend August in Wyoming. I feel like it's a good training ground for worlds. I'm gonna play around on the grand a little bit and then I'll do circ series end of August in Targi and then the worlds in end of September, and then I do want to get some sort of UTMB qualifier in so that I can race a UTMB race in 2026, but I'm unsure what that will look like. Um so I don't know if it really changed my year's plans or just kind of gave me more of a solid schedule for the year. Nice. But yeah, the rest of my summer is looking fun.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

I'm so jealous. Uh I actually I will see, I actually just signed

Grand Teton FKT Ambitions

SPEAKER_01 22:30

up for uh Sir Grant Target yesterday, so I'll see you out there. So excited to be. I raced it last year. I had so much fun. That course is awesome. Um, yeah, it's so beautiful too. Like, even like it blows Colorado out of the water. It's so wild, it's so different. Um, like there's just so much wildlife. It's a cool area. Like, I really love that that just like zone in general.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

I have not yet done the Target race, so I'm very excited. Um, and I really haven't spent much time in Wyoming at all. So it's like a whole new landscape and super pretty trails. It's so beautiful. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Are you on the Jackson side or are you on the Wideho side?

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Wideho side.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Nice. That's the better.

unknown 23:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

That's what I hear. Who knows? Yeah, yeah. I'm doing the um tomorrow there's a I don't know when this will come out, but tomorrow there's a hill climb at Jackson Hall Resort that I'm signed up for.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

So oh rendezvous. Yeah, yeah. Sweet. Yeah. Okay, nice, nice. Yeah, there's a lot of like really cool, like little I I shouldn't say rendezvous is a little race because it's pretty big. Like Joe Gray. Uh like there's gonna be quite a few people that like race this race. But um, like not just that, they also have on the other side, there's um like good mountain bike races, there's good 50, like there's a lot of like really solid races in the area that they put on. So it's there's a lot going on, which is kind of nice. Yeah, but it seems like and you're gonna like rendezvous. That's a sweet course. Like that's that's as fun as it gets up this like basically just 4,000 something feet, and like I think it's like five or six miles, which is bananas.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

So yes, brutal, good training for the worlds course.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

That's right, that's right. Have you projected any of that course yet? Like, have you looked at anything like just kind of like uh topo maps or try to figure out like all right, like what's the vertical relief on this, that, and the other? Like how technical is it? Like, do you guys have any like info you're privy on ahead of time?

SPEAKER_00 24:14

I honestly haven't looked at it too much yet. Um, I've looked on the website, talked to my coach a little bit um about like the elevation profile, and pretty much all I know is if it starts with a massive climb. Um, and there's just so much climbing in the race, and it's gonna be steep and pretty techie. I have to get really good at hiking and downhill running, um, which are two things that could use a lot of work for me. Um but other than that, I don't know too much about the course yet. So it's on my homework for the next couple of weeks is to do some course practice. And I'm going out two weeks early with most of the short course women's team, and we're gonna kind of pre-run the course and scout different areas, which will be helpful.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Nice project. That's perfect. Uh back to back to Wyoming. I gotta still ask you this question just because out of pure curiosity. Is the I know you said you'd like to play a little bit on the grand. Is it more just scouting? Is there potentially potentially you might go for the FKT this year? Like, is there anything like I don't know, anything that like stokes your enthusiasm for that?

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Yes, my goal. Okay, so I've never done the grand. So I can't say, I feel like it's naive for me to say that I'm going for the gr the FKT on it. Um, that is why I'm out here. That's my goal. Um, I'm doing it for the first time on Sunday, so I think that'll give me a lot of insight into like how fast I'll be able to do it, how much the exposure gets to my head, things like that. Um, so I came out here with the intention of doing it many times and hopefully by the end of August giving it an FKT attempt. Um, but I really have no idea if that's in my wheelhouse or how I'm gonna do on the grand. I feel like it's within my skill set because there's like a lot of steep running, some technical sections, um older

Cirque Snowbird Win And “Curse”

SPEAKER_00 26:00

fields. So I feel like it's I'm capable of it if I can stay in a good headspace. So um I'm hopeful that I can give it a shot by the end of August at an FKT attempt. Um, but I think it'll it'll depend on how I feel.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Nice, nice. Just don't cut the switchbacks.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

I know.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

I I I have to every time I have to try to mistake you know, it's not it's not even that. It's just like I have to throw a little bit of a low blow at some fun at Michelino just because I can every time I can. Um shout out, Mikelino. We love you.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Um I told him I told him I'm doing this. I think I'm he invited me to do the gram with him on Sunday. Um, so I'll get some insider scoop, but he was excited and supportive of me trying it.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

So oh yeah, he's the man. Uh I he's like as as helpful helpful as it gets with everything in that stuff. Yeah. So cool. All right. So I can't wait to follow along. Um, hopefully, end of August, when I see you at Targi, we'll have uh something more to talk about when it comes to that. So could be could be good stuff there. Um let's talk uh Cirque Snowbird. That is such a hard course, like there's a lot of vertical in that one. Um, you and Alexa obviously had a great race together. I gotta say one thing. I talked to Alexa about this because it made me laugh. You and her broke the curse. Like I've blown up, McLeno's blown up. Very few people actually, and then Jackson followed you because Jackson won aliaska, but like nobody tends to usually do very well because of the way, and this is a call out of Steve. Why do we have to do the course preview the day before the race? What the hell? But anyway, there was like a nobody's really ever done very well until you guys. So there you go. You broke the, you broke the curse.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Totally. And when we were doing it the day before, we both felt terrible. And we were like, Steve, this is such a bad idea that you have people do the course preview the day before. We were both like hands on our knees, like we already feel bad. Like we both had rough weeks. We're like, and he's like, there is a it is a curse that no one who's done the pre-race, the preview the day before has won the race. Um, so we were hopeful that we could break the curse, which we did, but uh we were both pretty surprised because we weren't having the best weeks, um fatigue and leg-wise. Um but yeah, it was really fun to race against Alexa. And honestly, I felt like that race was harder than Broken Arrow, just because they're so short and steep and fast, and I wasn't feeling the best. Like my legs just felt really heavy all week. Um, but it was a fun, a fun race. But you were right, those are really hard, especially having to run the preview the day before.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Yeah, I just wanted to get your take on that because I thought the same thing, and it's funny he said that because like the curse curse was real. You guys broke it. That's so cool.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Um we didn't think we would, and we weren't giving Steve crap for that. Because we're like, this is I don't know, to have people who might do well on the race and make them run the course and all that climbing the day before. We hiked most of it, and we're like, if you need us to run for camera, just tell us when we need to run. Otherwise, we're just hiking.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

See, you know what, dude. You I see I felt pressure. I was like, man, I feel like I have to run this. So I ran it. Like, and I'm like, I looked at my afterwards, I uploaded it, and it was like high seven minute, low grade eight minute. And I granted I was on the East Coast, but it was like high seven minute, low eight-minute grade adjustment piece. I was like, I probably just ran that way too fast. I was like, I'm gonna die tomorrow. And just like I was like, I should just put my foot down and just been like, dude, I'm gonna hike this and should have just hike the entire thing. Yeah, I don't know. It's uh you live and you'll learn. I but at the same time, it's like, I don't know. I love the Cirque series so much. I'm like, this was such a cool honor. I'm like, this is such a like, I'm never gonna get an opportunity to, or maybe not get an opportunity to do this again. So it's like I gotta make it fun. Why not? So yeah, it's fun stuff. Um, race must have played out pretty well for you. Obviously, you took the dub. Any notes on the race, anything like that? Like, will you come back to Snowbird, or you think you'll do Alta next year or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Definitely. I would love to do Alta. It didn't um line up with my schedule this year, but this was my third time doing the snowbird course. Love that race. It was my first ever trail race in 2016,

Course Dynamics And Descending

SPEAKER_00 30:00

so it's special to me. Um it I knew this race had a pretty strong women's field. Um, and the first mile they changed it for construction. The first mile was or the first half mile was downhill on pavement. So it was so fast. And the Alexa and Rachel were ahead of me. I think I was maybe like fifth or sixth woman at that point. They were running sub-five minute miles, and I was like, this is ridiculous. I will not ever be able to keep up with you guys. Um, so I started out a little bit slower and came in like sixth, seventh female starting up the first climb, but then I caught up to the front, and me and Alexa ran together for most of the climb up, and it was really cool because we were she would go ahead a little bit and then she would like cheer me on and be like, Come on, Jane, let's go. We got this. So I would pick it up a little bit, and then I would pass her a little bit on the climb, and then I would cheer her on and kind of bring her along too. So we feedbacked up at the climb. Um, and it was stressful because we were both breathing so hard, like we were audibly like struggling. We were working really hard, but we were running together. Um, and then I gained a little bit of ground on the climb going up to Hidden Peak, um, but was running scared the whole time because I could see her, I could see Rachel. Um, and I'm a stronger climber, not as much of a descender. So when I got to the top, I was like, I have to turn it on because anybody can catch me at any moment, and my legs didn't feel great. I was a little bit over-caffeinated, so I was like kind of jittery too. Um but the fun thing about the circuit series races is you can just like go as hard as possible from the beginning because it's gonna be over and as much pain that you're in, like there's always just not too many miles ahead of you. Um, so I just I don't know, ran as hard as I could from start to finish, hoping that they wouldn't catch me because you can't really tell on the descent because I'm not like looking behind me, seeing where people are at. So I just um descent it as fast as possible. And I don't feel like I'm that good of a technical downhill runner, like in my training, but for some reason in races, like you can shut off your brain and just like run really fast downhill.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

That's amazing. What a race! And like yeah, and like you said, like the women's field, like Rachel T there, like there was an Alexa, like there's a deep group of ladies, like that's a solid, solid field. So I love the fact that like there's no slouch races anymore in the Cirque series, like every one of them, like it doesn't matter like which one you pick, someone like there's a group showing up, it's it's never easy anymore, which is kind of cool. I like how competitive it's starting to get.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

Um, totally, yeah, and Snowbird being because I am born and raised in Salt Lake. I just moved out last year, so my family was there, my sister was there, I had a lot of friends there, so it was just kind of really fun to oh it's so special win that race in my backyard.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

So crazy. Um all right, so we got Targi next on deck. We've got some stuff going on, possibly with the grands, and then obviously worlds.

Looking Ahead To Worlds

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Um, I feel like this might be a good post to put a bookend on and we can pick back up when uh I think there'll be a lot of stuff to talk about in August and then at Worlds. So I appreciate you coming back on for a quick little chat. I just needed to get the you know, some of the breakdown of Broken Arrow and um, you know, all that. So I just want to say thank you so much for coming back on for a quick chat. And this is awesome.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

Yeah, yes. Thanks for having me back. It's always fun to chat on this pod.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Wishing you the absolute best of luck, and I'll see you in Wyoming. Should be fun.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

Sounds good. Thanks. We'll see you then.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Appreciate it. Guys, how awesome is Jane for coming on the pod. Really appreciate her time and want to wish her the absolute best of luck, both with the rest of what she's got up to as far as projects for the rest of the summer as well as uh on worlds, uh, which is pretty crazy. Um, you know, being on the world's team. Well, she will represent Team USA. So before you get going, you can follow her on Instagram. Give her a follow. You can find her at underscore Jane Moss underscore. That's underscore Jane J-E-N-E-M-A-U-S underscore. Give her a follow. Let her know what you guys thought about the episode. I'm sure she would appreciate your kind words, especially as uh she gets ready to go represent Team USA. So, guys, if you enjoyed this episode and are a fan of the podcast, give us a five-star rating and review. We would really appreciate that until we can continue to tell these great stories of all these amazing athletes. And uh yeah, you can get us on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you consume your podcast. Thanks so much. People, what's going on? It is summer, guys. Super exciting. Adventures in the mountains, summer races. Um, you know, it's about that time to start thinking about your gear. You know, I uh I want to say our brand partner Ultimate Directions got you guys covered. Pop on over to ultimate direction.com, check out a whole quiver of a quiver and uh new vests and belts that have just dropped. Um pop on over to check out the new race and ultra vests, race vest in a six liter, the ultra vest and a 12, and beautiful new aesthetic colorways. Um,

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