Kyle Richardson Signs with Arc’teryx

Breaking news with a human pulse: we sit down with Kyle Richardson to unpack his move to Arc’teryx and what it means for the future of mountain running, creative projects, and the gear we trust on steep ground. From FKTs to film, Kyle’s vision thrives where art meets endurance, and this partnership gives him the tools, team, and runway to make it real.

We dive into why the fit works beyond logos. Kyle describes a culture where designers, marketers, and athletes are climbers, skiers, and runners first—people who obsess over fabrics, construction, and performance in wild weather. He shares how he’ll help shape the running line from the ground up: daily-driver Norvans, faster Silence models, and winter-ready platforms, plus ideas that bridge running, scrambling, and approach use. Think precise materials, durable builds, and lugs that make sense at pace. Pinnacle gear, built for the real mountains.

Kyle also opens up about a training shift that balances steep strength with run economy. Expect more flat, faster work, smarter fueling, and strength sessions that target stability and coordination under a coach’s eye. The goal is durability and range—being able to race hard when it matters while keeping space for long creative projects. He teases an early-season bike linkup in Tuscany, a Scotland traverse that stitches peaks by pedal and foot, and a fall project with a strong artistic lens, possibly in Japan. The throughline is clear: process over outcome. The daily craft—photos, notes, metronome miles—builds a body and mind ready for both podiums and poems.

If you love mountain running, product design, or the creative life that sits between them, this conversation delivers depth and direction. Hit play, then tell us what you want to see Kyle build or attempt next. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves steep stuff, and leave a quick review—it helps more curious runners find the show.

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Transcript

Breaking The Arc’teryx Signing

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back to the Steep Stuff Podcast. I'm your host, James L'Oriello. And today I'm so excited to bring you guys some breaking news. Friend of the podcast and Boulder Legend, uh, FKT holder on Long's Peak, Green Mountain, and formerly the LA Freeway. Kyle Richardson has signed with ArcTerex. Big free agency move, and we got the full scoop from Kyle. Uh, guys, I hope you enjoy this one. Lots of uh really cool information in this one. And uh yeah, we're just so excited for Kyle. And uh yeah, enjoy this one. Without further ado, Kyle Richardson. All right, Kyle Richardson. Welcome back to the Steep Stuff Podcast. How's it going, man?

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Hey James. Yeah, thanks for having me on. I'm I'm doing well. How are you?

Why The Brand Fit Works

SPEAKER_01 1:47

I'm doing well, dude. It's good to see you. It's been uh there's good news to talk about, which I'm excited about. Um yeah, man. This is uh kind of breaking. You are uh you've joined the Arcteryx team, which is I'm super excited, and I'm sure you are too. What's uh the initial thoughts, feelings, and reactions?

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Yeah, I'm I'm super excited. I I think uh the whole process kind of getting to know the team and and going through the the interview process, it's yeah, you get a good look into the brand, and it's exciting to see like the the team and the resources that Arctaryx has built. It's like um there's a lot of potential, and I feel like there's a huge foundation on creativity. Um, and that you see that in the apparel, you see that in the design, and so you see that in the films um and the projects that people do. So I think that's always been something that's been super important to me. So it felt like um kind of a perfect match, like to take the next step in my career is to sort of yeah, kind of lean a little bit harder into all the things that I'm psyched about, you know, running, doing steep and and technical running and longer projects, um, adding in my music and photography to yeah, really explore the mountains. I think is uh it's it's it's gonna be a treat, and I'm really looking forward to the next few years to yeah, just get into some wild stuff and try new stuff and yeah, keep practicing my craft. So it's like to chat a little bit more about it. Um, but yeah, so thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Yeah, dude. Congratulations. Well, first of all, congratulations. I do feel like this is uh a match made in heaven. I mean, you and I have talked about this for a while now, and like I had put it out to the world when we did our free agency episode last year. I was so like, I was like, this is such an easy, like it's such an easy fit. Like your style of running and what you bring about it from a creative perspective. Like you're this, I almost view view you as uh just like I don't know, like you're a mountain artist in a lot of ways, where you bring your the background in music and photography into your your athletic endeavors. And I don't know, I just do I see a lot of synergies there with Arctaryx and it just makes a lot of sense. Um, so that's a long-winded way of me saying, This is this is this is a great, this is a great signing. This makes sense.

Shaping Footwear And Product Vision

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Yeah, no, thanks for putting it out into the ether way back. I definitely heard that pod and was like, yeah, that's cool. That that's kind of right around when I was first started to chat with him. So it's like that stuff's always super helpful. Um it's definitely a collaborative process. Um, yeah, working with different brands or kind of taking the next step in your career. I feel like you look back on all the people that have helped you get to where you were, and like that kind of propels you to the next spot. And it's like there's a friends, family, the actual people that work at the brand. It's like a lot comes together to kind of like get that to happen. So it's exciting that yeah, it's just can start digging into some some new stuff, which is cool. Like digging into working on shoes, I think that was a big component of this deal and sort of working with Arctyrics was getting in on kind of the ground floor with the running shoes and and um yeah, trying to have a real impact to create like the optimal tool for like yeah, moving in the mountains, um, whether that be fast, like long multi-day stuff. Like, there's there's a lot of different shoes that people like to use. And I think um over the years I've developed like a particular yeah, sense of what I think that can be, and injecting that into the shoes, I think, is is a is gonna be a fun process, and working with the rest of the teammates and then the uh the design staff try to make like pinnacle products. Um, I mean you see that with like the alpha jacket or all the packs, um, some of the yeah, the Arcteryx gear, it's like it's as good as it gets. And to bring that to the running department, it's we could be, you know, you're we're the shoes are as like they stand next to everyone else on the market, which is cool. Um, there's a lot of exciting things coming down the line. So I feel like the foundation is set for like, yeah, a lot of growth and a lot of cool things. I think having the the climbing, the running, um, hiking, whatever you want to call it, all that stuff blended together. You, you know, you have a lot of of options to make like different shoes and and cool stuff that works for a lot of different people, not just like a runner or someone looking to race, but also, yeah, climbers, approach shoes, um, leading into lifestyle stuff is cool. Um I have like lots of opinions about that stuff. So it's yeah, I'm just now starting to dig in, working with the rest of the team on on what that could look like, or just sharing what I have to offer is cool. Uh I feel like that's there's an avenue for that. And at some point, maybe like further on in my career, I could see I mean it would be cool one day to kind of work more solely on shoes, like gravitate and uh graduate from the the the full athlete gig. You know, there's there's a lot of um opportunities for stuff like that, which I think would be cool, or going to learn, or like um sort of uh study under someone about like shoe design could be cool. Um so yeah, excited about the diversity of it all.

Culture And Craft At Arc’teryx HQ

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Absolutely. You uh were pretty recently out there. I know you and and Jane um had gone out to visit and and get to see, I guess, HQ and and all of that. Um from what you can talk about, maybe talk about that experience, what it was like going out there and getting to meet the team and and have these conversations and uh start to I guess planning plan around the future.

Kyle’s Current Shoe Rotation

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Yeah, no, it's uh it feels like a family, you know, like everyone you can tell brings intention and like sport to their to their job. You know, everyone's like a climber, a skier, a runner, you know, that's just injected into the business, and I think everyone has that kind of like foundation. So I when that bleeds into your work, you get a lot of synergy and like connections with people versus like being super like business focused. Like obviously though there are people that are really good at that, but I think even in the marketing department or like just the designers, it's like really like a yeah, like I said, there's good synergy in terms of uh trying to design cool stuff or just make stuff that works for the masses too. Um just like solid um products that are light, durable, you know, it's it's not complicated stuff, but it's just done to such a high level. Uh the nicest fabrics, the precision of the sewing and all that stuff. Um you nail that, it's like it's you make really nice stuff, you make pinnacle stuff, um, which is cool. Um, so I kind of like saw into that, and the care that everyone took with their job uh seemed like pretty evident. Um yeah, just I don't know, like everything is there for you to have success. So it's it's up to you to kind of take advantage of that. And I've been always super motivated to kind of like I have my film ideas, I have the projects, I have the gear, I know it's when someone asks me, like, oh, what's a key product, or not even a key product, what's something that's missing in our line? It's like I have a list of that stuff. I'm ready to like dive in, see what we can do to even elevate the brand and like collaborate. So that I'm going into that with this lens, and it's like, oh damn, it's like super exciting to see uh what's going on, and there's just a lot of resources, there's a lot of people. Um so stuff seems to get done super quick, and it just seems like it's a finely tuned machine, um, which is cool. Um, so yeah, I was like really impressed. I was super excited and like wanted to take photos of everything, like going to like the different levels of the the building, just seeing what everyone's up to and talking like a few small conversations with the designers and the footwear team. You're just like it's it's a quick interaction, but it says a lot about like the brand, you know. When yeah, you have a full day, but you can sneak in like a couple minutes with a designer and you make um yeah, you feel like you're already making a subtle impact. Um, it's cool that um yeah, it just shows the potential. Um so and there's a lot of cool people on the team, like all athletes too. So um a lot of artists, a lot of people into music and photography, and yeah, so that's just an exciting um community to be around because I feel like that breeds more of that stuff. Whereas if it's 100% racing focused, then you get into that competitive mindset, and that's fuels teams to have crazy success and do that avenue. But this is like a cool blend. Yeah, you have everyone chasing different athletic goals, but then there's some art to it, which is super cool. Uh so I got that sense of HQ. Like saw some of the running, saw yeah, Vancouver, and just yeah, what that's like, and it's pretty sick. It's its own culture, it's its own flavor, it's like it's steep, it's rugged. It's kind of hard to compare to anything else that I I mean, it's more like the East Coast than anything around here, you know. Um I would say, like, yeah, pretty pretty comparable to like New England, Mount Washington, kind of steep, rugged, but it's just yeah, the West Coast vibe, PW. So super impressed.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Very cool, very cool. Talk about the shoes, man. What have you been running in recently? Are you like a Sylvan guy or a Norvan? I think it's the Norvan. My buddy runs for like the Arctyrix Colorado. Uh he's like an ambassador for them, so I've gotten to see some of their shoes up close.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Yeah, the Norvan, um the scramble and like the Vertex Speed, some Silent Pro. Um the winter shoe, the Navalis, is like the Norvan kind of platform, but the Gore-Tex like kind of boot shoe is pretty sick. It has, I think five or six mil lugs, but super sick pattern. And um, that one's great for winter, so I'll definitely be using that. Um by the time, yeah, when this is uh uh coming out, yeah, probably do hopefully get some winter running in New England in the shoe. Um, so yeah, it's there's a good rotation and some cool stuff coming out. Uh yeah, the Norvan's like a good everyday, like do anything kind of shoe. Um definitely like kind of a critical shoe in the quiver, and then Silence a faster shoe. You want a little more turnover and that kind of rolling foot strike, it's a great shoe, and then the winter has its place. So all you really need is I think three or four shoes, like in terms of the rotation. So you it's pretty much sexual the box and have some ideas about. We won't dive into that now, but just like moving forward, like different shoes that I'd love to add to the quiver and hopefully get to work on that stuff. But um, yeah, I I'm I'm excited about the line and just the potential, you know. Um, it's just it's a solid shoe, but always room to grow and like make it even better.

Career Arc And Creative Direction

SPEAKER_01 12:45

So yeah, no, no doubt, no doubt about that. In the arc of Kyle Richardson, like as far as this this part of your story, like what I'm curious, man, like what does this mean to you? Because I it's it's fun, it's been fun really following your journey because I we kind of picked up where we started having conversations like after your time with Black Diamond, and you were kind of in this free agency period figuring things out, and you know, it was right around the time where these conversations kind of started with Arctaryx. Does this reinvigorate you to chase different and unique goals? Are you is there things you're you know, like I'm trying to get a feel of like where this is as far as uh your arc, like how your excitement level and and what you want to do next with this?

Training Shift And Run Economy

SPEAKER_00 13:29

Yeah, I don't I think um I'd like to double down and like dive even deeper into the stuff that I'm doing. Like I don't think I'm drastically changing, or like I I have a style and sort of an idea of what I'd like to be doing, and I think just to invest more time, like take more ownership of the projects, like just go deeper into what I want to do. I think that's kind of where like the blossoming can happen. That's where the growth and like not being scared to push the boundaries or like have like a project like fail or like maybe not reach a PR, you know, just really take ownership of that and um be motivated to kind of do these projects, but kind of express them to like my true self, you know, like um not feel like I have to, yeah, oh I gotta cater to this or do that. It's like no, like if you have a good idea, let's um let's really kind of design around it or kind of yeah, just bring the art to life, you know. It's it it's not it doesn't have to be too complicated, but just it's uh it's okay to kind of be expressive or do something that's like um not typical, like kind of push the push the boundary. And so I think uh this next step, I'd love to yeah, explore that and and all things like running. I wanna I want to do um I want to do a little bit of racing. I know I I've said this on your pod before, but I feel like I'm committed to it this year because of just yeah, just stuff already in the works, and but I also want to be like okay to do maybe I want to dive into some longer like foot travel stuff, you know, like later in the summer, some multi-day kind of stuff, or it's like a 24-hour, like pushing, I don't know if it'd be a hundred miles or something like that, but just yeah, try some different distances um or projects that I maybe wouldn't have done before because I'm like, oh, I'm training for this or that, or I don't know, just be more open to to to doing different stuff, but kind of taking my same style to it. Um so I don't know, it's it doesn't feel like it's a huge like shift from what I've been doing before. I think it's just yeah being open to new experiences and yeah, bringing the same flavor to it and trying to, I don't know, take things from maybe more of like a producer director angle sometimes when it comes to content or like a film project. Like it's not necessarily showcasing like oh this is a crazy athletic feat or FKT. It's like an art piece that is like um talking about the the love of running and playing music, and it could be somewhere around the world, you know. It's uh thinking of these like more conceptual stories that that obviously yeah, talk about running too and stuff that Arcterics has typed about. So I think earlier in my career I was more like very specific, objective driven, like this, I'll do this and then this and then this. And I feel like I'm kind of like elevating a bit to like longer projects or having a this is like kind of a multi-month project and not get too bogged down and like oh I'm gonna run fast in a couple days or I'm gonna go for this FKT. It's like yeah, be a little more intentional with like the efforts and like kind of yeah, maturing in that sense, you know, like not winging it. Like I've started doing strength training and some heat stuff and like consulting people in the world that like are very knowledgeable about yeah, having getting the best performance out of yourself. So, in some ways, I've been dabbling in that world, and I think that will be super helpful in just yeah, oh yeah, you want to go do this race? It's like do the stuff that you want to do in the mountains, all the art stuff, but then yeah, you can also be refined and like super competitive and perform on this day and not get stressed out that it's like that you can't do both, like, yeah, maybe I don't perform to the top or like win the race or whatever, but it's like I'm not gonna compromise my entire life for it. So, but if I can be intentional with like, okay, I'm doing strength or like I'm fueling better, all these other things, and it's like then you can just stay on top of everything, and I feel like yeah, it could just bring a little new energy to my program or what I like to do. So trying not to stagnate, but also like know that what I was doing before is like the stuff that I was passionate about. It's like I want to keep doing the same stuff, just elevated, you know. Um, I don't want to be like, oh, I never want to do like a music and running film, or I want to stop playing percussion because I gotta like I got this new gig and I have to be, I don't know. It's like, yeah, still keep being me. I think it's easy to try to like lose sight of that. So yeah, that that would be the foundation, I think.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Interesting. I mean, I have noticed on your Strava, you've been running like flat. I don't know if this actually pertains to what you're talking about at all, but like you've been running like flat faster stuff, and I'm just like, ah, he's working on his run economy. Like, this is because I I remember where you would just do green, like 3,000 feet of green, like every day. And like that's that's great. That's a ton of vertical. Um, but I was like, oh, this is this is different, Kyle. This is interesting following you in the Java. So I like, I don't know. I kind of figured like maybe you know, there were I mean, you said the R-word, race.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

So like maybe Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, that could tie into some of the flatter running. I think this time of the year it's it's easy to kind of get sucked into doing a lot of vert, and like I'd love to go run up green, but I'm like like getting back to the intentions, it's like what's gonna set you up with like this like huge base foundation. It's like I I have the vert in my legs. I've done you know, it's like a decade of doing this stuff. That's comes back quick, and yeah, you want to stay in touch with it, but trying something new and just yeah, having that good running foundation, um, having good run economy, like yeah, I think it's been helpful for me to stay injury free and like not get too excited about like doing a lot of vert. And like I had a huge year last year, um, and kind of was like took a few weeks off at the end of the season, and yeah, there's just kind of slowly building back, but like having a good, yeah. It's easy to get all the way to the end of the season, be like, oh shit, like I never worked on my running economy, and just like good running kind of patterns, like neurological connections. All it's like it's hard to kind of introduce that stuff sometimes too late in the season. Um, like oh shit, you got injured or your mechanics were kind of fucked up, so you so yeah, it's it's just harder to manage, at least in my experience. So it's nice to I mean I'm doing a little bit of vert, but nothing crazy. It's like it's kind of hard to find truly pancake flat running unless you go out to like the boulder res. But yeah, just keep it, keep it easy, keep the the legs kind of conditioned to what yeah, you if you can bust out like 630s and it feels you could, you know, it just feels truly easy. I feel like that's a good spot to be in. And like I know how to push hard uphill and like run descends fast. It's I don't need a shit ton of practice for that, honestly. Like, yeah, like a month, you know, getting it back into the legs, but then you then you feel primed. So yeah, people that actually maybe know what they're talking about are like this, they might say, like, oh, this makes no sense, but hey, it's like everyone's uh it's everyone's on their own program, and it's like yeah, everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, and I think depending on where you're coming from, you leverage that, and that helps you kind of make a game plan for your objectives. So honestly, there's no one program that's gonna work for everyone. So um that's just the reality. So um, yeah, it's true.

Strength Work And Injury Resilience

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Talk about the strength training, dude. What do you how you how are you liking that? Getting getting swallow over there.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Yeah, it's been it's been interesting. I'm sorry, I started going because Abby, my girlfriend, she has she's been doing it for a long time, and her and her friends all see this same guy, Jeff. And um, yeah, it's interesting to just do new stuff through working on like whether it be agility or stability, and I don't know. I don't even know all the terminology or terms of the exercise and stuff. That's why I'm going in there and like trying to actually get someone to teach me. I think that's helpful. It's sort of I could go to the gym by myself and try to learn this stuff, but it's so much harder. Um, but yeah, you can it's pretty clear when you're in the gym of like your Balances are what you need to work on, you know. Like it's you know, as you progress weight, you're getting like the more the more function of every single muscle is having to work in kind of harmony to to do the exercise. It's like and running sometimes, it's like it's hard to perceive, like, oh, am I the quads are working too hard, or is the glute or this or that? And it's like thinking about like the whole body working together. Like, I think you can really pinpoint and like focus on some of that stuff in the gym through all like the various exercises, at least the stuff that I'm doing, it's really been eye-opening about like actually how the body works and like in in in lots of different positions and kind of slowing that down, having to be super focused and stable. It like then when you go out for a run, you like you speed that up, and you like, oh damn, like the whole leg, it's working in unison. Like you can tell, like, I feel like yeah, you you can just kind of work on your your whole body that way, which is cool. Um, but whereas before I never even thought that that was kind of yeah, really, I don't know. I was totally clueless to be honest. Just feel like I didn't have time for it or like really needed it. But um, it's almost like a safeguard for injuries and stuff because yeah, it's you're aware of your imbalances, you're aware, like, oh, why is my glute not like firing doing set exercise, or I can feel that like this muscle is having to like do a ton of work and this other muscle is like not doing anything, and it's like I don't know. I've never really paid that much attention, but in the gym, you kind of have to. I feel like um, or at least you know, working with a trainer, it they're helping you kind of get the best out of yourself.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

So yeah, I mean I do that.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

It's it's cool. Um, I like it. Yeah, I don't know if I love being like sore and beat up the next day from it, but I think I'm just so I'm so new to it. Like I think we were doing some deadlifts, and like I don't do that stuff. Like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

I mean nothing crazy. It's a very, it's a very like, yeah, the the routine's not hard, it's just very intentional and specific with the movements and how they should be done. So um yeah. The soreness part sucks, but yeah, it is it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

It's all for a bigger picture, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

It's like no, I've noticed the benefits already for sure.

Races, Bikepacking, And Global Projects

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Yeah. Alright, so uh you don't have to give anything away, but I'm just so curious, man. Where will we potentially see you uh racing this summer? I I'm just like you said it, so I was like, oh my gosh, like this would be a good one.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

I mean, I don't I don't I honestly don't think I can talk about it yet, but it's uh Okay, it's fine. That's fine. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Okay, all right. Yeah, I'm just happy that's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Not not because it's like I'm gonna be a total dark horse coming into the race. Like I'm not I'm trying to just do my best. Like it wouldn't be like, oh, like I can't tell you because I'm waiting to like spook the competition, like that's not where this is coming from. This is more just from I don't know, just getting the sketch the calendar set and like you know, I'm not trying to yeah, do that. So that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Outside of racing, any any bike packing stuff that like catches your eye for sometime this summer or like the spring. I mean, dude, it's been so unseasonably warm here that I feel like there's like plenty of opportunities if things stay warm to get out and do a lot of stuff like travel.

Process Over Outcome And Closing

SPEAKER_00 25:18

Yeah, I think um I'm doing a couple bike things this spring. Like um, I'm going to Italy for this bike link up in Tuscany, but then I think um I I was planning like a Scotland like bike run thing. Um some version of like a big divide crossing through like England and Scotland tagging peaks along the way. Um so that's kind of what I feel like uh that would be kind of the spring project, some summer racing, whether that be sanctioned or just time trialing in the mountains, and then for the fall, um yeah, hopefully work on like a more artistic kind of running projects. Um yeah, hopefully maybe doing something in Japan. So pretty psyched about, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean uh you know, like running and the stuff for me is like a year-round practice. So it's fun to talk about the projects, and I think that's yeah, everyone likes that, but it the daily practice and the craft goes super unnoticed. The process of like how this shit actually gets done is um yeah, that's what makes you like a lifer for doing the stuff and like wanting to kind of pursue it to the highest level is the stuff that the photo, the film photos you take on a daily basis, or like this the this the nuances and the small stuff that you notice through training, and it's it all comes together in like a project or like going somewhere like Japan, but um it's super underrated, like the the craft and the the practicing. It's like you I was talking to a friend the other day about like you you turn on the metronome and it's like you kind of start to spiral into like the your time to work on what you want to work on. I think uh having that's kind of a cool concept. Um so yeah, I feel like that just we always talk about the projects, not just you, but just people in general. It's like what I I want to highlight like the the daily form of of the running and all the things that we love to do, uh, which is yeah, it's super special. And I think that's what gets you to the start line that gets you to the cool project or something. Um it's being committed to the process.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Process over outcome. That's uh that's a quote I've been thinking about a lot lately. And yes, 100%. It is, and I think it over gets overlooked, especially in our sport where it is so race-driven, um, and everything is by outcome when you know, just getting out and experiencing life and doing it on the trails or the mountains or however you're you you bipedally choose to do it. Um it's important and it can't be overlooked. So if you can express that in film or in your own way of doing it, I think that's really cool because it's uh yeah, it's it's a cool thing.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Yeah, well said.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yeah, sweet dude. All right, well, I'm gonna keep it on that. Kyle Richardson, thanks for coming on, buddy. I appreciate it. Appreciate you being open and talking about uh this new um this new endeavor, uh new partnership with Arctaryx, and uh I can't wait to see what you guys are gonna do together. It's uh it's pretty awesome. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

Yeah, cheers. Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Thanks for tuning in, guys. Really appreciate it. The best way you can support Kyle is to give him a follow on Instagram. You can find him at Kyle Richardson, it's gonna be linked in the show notes. Also a great follow on Strava. He's one of the few humans I know that is besides like Anton, that is super dedicated toward curating uh their Strava. And uh yeah, dude, his he's got great posts and uh you can follow along what he's up to in his training. And yeah, Kyle just does an amazing job at uh making his training just super relatable. So yeah, big fan of his. Uh yeah, like I said, you can follow him on Instagram. And if you guys have been enjoying the show, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you consume your podcasts. Definitely pan on over to YouTube, hit that subscribe button, trying to grow that channel. Um, and yeah, lots of uh cool announcements. Really cool to be able to do some of these uh free agency things with uh the Arcterics team and uh a few others. So very, very cool stuff. I uh feel like a real journalist. Thanks so much, guys.