Mason Coppi | Gorge Waterfalls 30K Pre Race Interview

A great race can change your season, but it can also expose every weakness you’ve been dodging. We’re joined by Mason Coppi for a Gorge Waterfalls 30K pre-race talk that goes deeper than predictions, getting into what it really takes to show up ready when the course is fast, punchy, and technical and the men’s field is stacked.

Mason shares how he’s building Hello To Running, coaching everyone from couch-to-5K athletes to runners competing at the highest level. We dig into why training theory transfers across trail running, marathon training, and even ski mountaineering, plus what coaching beginners teaches you about the fundamentals that matter most. Then we lock onto Gorge Waterfalls 30K, a course that demands constant changes in effort, smart pacing, and durability when the climbs never let you settle into a rhythm.

We also talk openly about the pressure of racing as a free agent in trail running, where travel costs, sponsorship opportunity, and prize money can make every start line feel like a gamble. Mason explains how he’s thinking about hydration, early-race excitement, and the “two-hour zone,” especially while managing a recent runner’s knee flare-up. We close with a look ahead to Boston Marathon plans and how mindset swings are part of the sport for all of us.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Intro

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to the Steep Stuff Podcast. I'm your host to James L'Oreal. So excited to bring you guys another Gorge Waterfall 30K pre-race interview. This one with Mr. Mason Copy. Hope you guys enjoy. All right, Mason Copey. Welcome back to the Steep Stuff Podcast. How's it going, buddy? It's going great. How are you? I'm doing great, man. I'm living the dream. Got a thick beard going. It's we're we're out of, we're in spring.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

The weather's been great. It's not hasn't been great for fires, obviously, but the weather has been great for trading.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Yeah, it's funny. I I talk about it with my wife. I'm also in Colorado, and it's been a very dry winter, and I'm like, oh, this has been great. It's just like back home in California. And my wife's like, how does that work out for California over the over the summer? I'm like, ah, it's fine. It's fine. We're good. It's it's it's fine. Um, so yeah, I've been enjoying the weather, a little fearful as well for for the summer. And so the dryness is gonna bring.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

I was thinking about California this morning. I was on my run and it's like uh 60 degrees and cool out. Like it was a beautiful day today. And I was like, ooh, if this is what California feels like. Like I could I could do this all year round. This is this is amazing. So yeah, it's uh hopefully, dude. I got up to 12,000 feet on on what is it on Saturday, like um on Pike's Peak. Uh a lot of that stuff's melted out. I'm very surprised. Like the high country does not have much of a snowpack right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Yeah, no, that again, that's that's really exciting, but also a little nerve-wracking. Um, yeah, I I actually flew out to California to um visit some family. And yeah, I was flying over the mountains looking down. I'm like, wow, I can I can start getting to the high country soon. That's pretty nice.

Hello To Running Coaching Philosophy

SPEAKER_00 1:44

It's wild. It's wild. Dude, I'm digging, not to uh go off on a side tangent here, I'm digging the Hello to Running shirt.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Oh, thank you. It's pretty sweet. Yeah, just just got one made and um yeah, so figure it'd be fun to start kind of repping um my company uh at more things.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

I love it. Dude, I I mean obviously this is a pre-race interview, but talk about Hello to Running. You're your your your coaching, your coaching business. I I don't know if like I I feel like people know you're a coach. Talk about this.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Yeah, no, um I've been I've been coaching for a few years now. Um and kind of it's all remote, and I kind of coach all levels, all abilities. Basically every running type. Um I've coached people from couch to 5k to 200 milers. I've coached people um at the like highest level of competition. Like I said very beginner, one of the coolest moments actually for me was um last world's um championship in Spain. I actually coached one of the athletes on the New Zealand team um in the short trail, quotations around short trail, because it was very long. Um, but yeah, I I coach an athlete there, um Jack Harris. And um, so that was a really cool moment. I was competing um at the highest level and coaching at the highest level. Um and yeah, so it's kind of anything and everything. A lot of focus is on trail because that's the the space that I inhabit the most. But I also work with a lot of athletes who are chasing um road marathon goals, track goals. Again, I have a I have a background in that personally as as well as an athlete. Um, and I've worked with a lot of athletes for road and track. Um, and I've actually even started coaching some uh ski mountaineers, um, which has been kind of a fun challenge to be clear to anyone listening to this. I don't have a background in ski training or like skiing, uh, but the aerobic system is the aerobic system, and I understand the training theory for through that lens. Um, I can't tell you anything about waxes, skins, transitions, anything like that, but I can uh get your your legs and aerobic system ready for for those demands. Um again, it's it's kind of like my my running, like my own training and my my own running. I love variety. I love mixing things together. I'm very interested in how, okay, a trail running, a trail runner can run a road marathon and and vice versa. And like, what can we learn from um traditional road racing, track racing, and how can we apply that to trail running? And how can we take trail running and apply that to road and and track racing and basically any any endurance event with caveat of I don't really do swimming because that one is a completely different thing. Um, but yeah, um I'm I enjoy coaching all all types of uh endurance athletes.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Dude, I love it. And what a cool thing. Like, not to go all the way back to the beginning, but like that you coach someone at world. Like that's that's pretty that's really fun. Um and then you coach schemo athletes now. That's that I mean, hey, fitness is fitness, dude. So if you could build a big engine, you could be good at anything.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

So yeah, absolutely. And again, like I love learning from these other disciplines um and and different types of athletes. Uh another thing that I'm really like learn a lot from is actually coaching those couch to 5K athletes or those those very beginner athletes, because it really gets you to think through uh a lot of problems and think through things differently. Um and so yeah, I I really like learning from those athletes and applying that to my elite athletes and of course applying elite athletes to to beginner athletes and kind of exchanging that that knowledge set.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Have you ever gotten anybody that's just like genetically talented and like couch to 5k just drops a sub. I mean, let's just say for couch to 5k, I feel like sub-20 minutes would be probably probably pretty solid, right? Like, have you ever gotten anybody that's like God's gift to running and like it just it just works that way?

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Yeah, I'd say there's a lot of athletes who are like I I like to think I am a very good coach, but there are some athletes who just like, wow, you are just just naturally good. And like there's like a lot of things to say, and we talk about a lot about their background, and I learn about their backgrounds. And so sometimes it's like, oh, I've never run before, but I played a lot of soccer or or something like that. And so it's like, okay, what it did it really come out of nowhere? To a large extent, yes. Um, but there's so much, so much background in that. But yeah, uh there is a large role in like uh genetic gift, right?

Shifting To Gorge Waterfalls 30K

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Interesting. Yeah, I love that stuff. It's uh yeah, you can like we could do a whole podcast on this, but um let me let me shift gears because we're here to uh talk about the Gorge Waterfalls 30k race, which you're gonna be racing this weekend. Dude, just off the bat, Stoke level. I mean, this is a really fun race. I've I've been on this course before. Um, the course is amazing. It's a good atmosphere, good people put it on. Uh, what's the Stoke level kind of going into this weekend?

SPEAKER_01 7:04

I mean, I'm really stoked. I'm really excited. I really haven't um explored this area much personally. Like um I so I I lived in the the Northeast, so I explored a lot of that area and did a lot of races out there. I'm living in Colorado now. I've explored a lot of those races, originally from California, explored a lot of that. But I've not really explored much of the Pacific Northwest. Um, I think I've done a few races out there, like uh Narnar um back when that was the U.S. Mountain Champs and uh Chuck Nut 50K one time, um, but never really explored like the Cascade Locks area. Um, so I'm really excited for for that opportunity to kind of be in it be in a new area, explore new trails. Um and yeah, the race itself just sounds really, really interesting from from a course design perspective and like the challenges that are gonna be at it. Um and also the the athletes I'm gonna be competing against also provide are also are really interesting. And I'm I'm really excited for that challenge. And then the overall event itself, right? Like it's it's fun that there's the 30k, 50k, and 100k. So it's really this this big event. Um and so really, really excited for for the whole experience and all that entails.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

It's gonna be yeah, it's a celebration of a weekend. Like kind of a I almost feel like it's like a celebration of the sport. And the course I feel like suits you well because like you you're a very dynamic athlete. You're not just a great mountain runner, like you have wheels when it comes to, I mean, you've had some amazing marathon finishes. I can't remember times off the top of my head, but I know you've done extremely well at CIM. Um and for I feel like the type of course that it is, because there's a bunch of road sections and then there's some techie climbs and stuff like that, but it just suits you incredibly well. And you're a bad man when it comes to course, courses like this. So I'm very excited to see see how this happens.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Yeah, no, I I'm super excited for that. Like the and like that's kind of what I was talking about, where it introduces some interesting challenges where there's a lot of flat and fast sections, but it really um demands technical ability as well. It's also interesting that it's such a punchy course, um, especially in the 30k, there aren't like um as big of like super long climbs, like what I'm used to in classic mountain racing, where I'm like going straight up uh um a ski slope and stuff like that. And that's that's kind of what I'm used to. Um, it kind of reminds me uh as I was studying the map, a lot of some of the races I used to do in upstate New York when I when I was living there, where it's like in in the Syracuse area, there's not necessarily any giant mountains, uh especially in comparison to um out like in Colorado and and in those areas, but there's a lot of like really punchy climbs out there and a lot of really steep stuff. And when I was doing those races, they're deceptively hard because you don't see these big, big like mountains on the on the like course map, but it's just like you get hit and hit and hit again, and you can never really find a super good rhythm. So I think they're they provide an an interesting and challenge in that way. Um, like it's sort of like I think for anyone who's like a fan of cycling, it's kind of like the difference between like a climber and a punchur or or type of uh racer or type of race, like the spring classics are very punchy. Um, versus a mountain stage is like, okay, you kind of click into a rhythm and just kind of grind up. Um so yeah, I think that'll make it really interesting. And kind of what I was talking about earlier, I think that is going to make the race itself and like the people competing in it. I think that introduces an interesting variable.

Why The Course Feels So Hard

SPEAKER_00 10:58

Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's almost to add to that, it's death by a thousand cuts. It's just eccentric, concentric, up down, up, down, up, down. And like you said, you can't find a rhythm. It just beats you up. And you gotta be kind of, you know, in some sections, it's careful with some of the technical stuff. But yeah, it's fast, man. I I mean it just the I don't know how much you looked at the results, but like even like Anna Gibson dude was able to pull off a second place overall last year. Obviously, this this this course is gonna be or this year is gonna be very different. The men's field is super deep. Um, how do you feel about the the men's field as far as like looking at you've got Tyler McCandless, like your former, I guess you could say team USA teammate. You've competed against him in the past as well at Sunopee. Um, but a lot of ultra guys. Like I feel like we're bringing, we're showing up with some of our short trail guys, like some of the best that we've got. And then the ultra world has got Tyler Green, Caleb uh Olsen. There's quite a few uh killers from the ultra world as well. So it's kind of this world where where both of the those worlds collide in a in a way.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Yeah, and that was kind of the thing I was alluding to of like this is a super interesting race from a competition perspective, because we don't really see um subultra guys and ultra guys really matching up in in a lot of races. And so it it's very exciting to me as as an athlete to to be able to like race against all these guys and and see what's happening um and see see how I kind of stack up. I did end up hearing that Caleb Olson is has officially scratched, I believe. Okay, um, someone might need a fact check me on that.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

But I think No, I'm gonna take your word on it. I didn't I haven't looked, I haven't looked since like three days ago.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

So I'll I think he he's he's dealing with uh a bit of an injury and and yeah, so but um feel feel bad, and I was really excited to to race against him, um, but wishing him uh a speedy recovery. Um but yeah, Tyler Green. I know uh Adrian McDonald is gonna be in it as well, and I'm really interested to see him because he's like proven himself on the ultra space, but also I think I've seen him signed up for the Broken Arrow 23k. So I don't know if he's he's shifting down in some some shorter.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

He's a dabbler.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

He's dabbling, yeah. He's a dabbler, and so I'm really excited to see how he does. Um and so yeah, I think it will be really interesting because we are coming in with some really good subulture guys like Tyler McCanleys, um, Remy LaRue. Um both those guys, I think this course actually suits really well. So you mentioned how I've had some success in the marathon. Tyler has had crazy success in in marathon racing. And so this being a little bit flatter, a little bit faster, I think really plays to his strengths. Um, and then Remy as well, super fast guy um in in road races. And then also um, I'm not completely familiar with the exact Quebec um landscape, but I do know it's fairly similar to um upstate New York and like that kind of like northeast region. So again, I think these trails will probably suit him pretty good. Um and it's gonna be something that he's he's familiar with um generally. Um so both those guys I'm I'm really interested and excited to see how they show up.

The Men’s Field And Key Rivals

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Yeah, it's gonna be, yeah, it's gonna be an absolute bar and burner. Um all right, so I don't want to braid the lead here too. I was literally, it's funny, I was on a podcast recently and Rachel to my chak and I were talking about free agency, and you obviously you come up because we both agree it's absolutely criminal that you you're you're not a sponsored, you're not sponsored yet. And we this this is gonna hopefully change within this calendar year. Um, but this is a big opportunity for you, dude. Like if you were to have a great performance here, uh we kind of talked about this offline before, but like the opportunity for you, this is an ACG sponsored event. It's free trail does an amazing job at getting athletes' names out there. So this is you know, house money for you if you're able to, you know, have a great day, which is really exciting.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Yeah, no, it's really exciting and also kind of nerve-wracking, right? Like, but like that's that's the thing. Like, and one of the things, so and we've talked about like me, me being a free agent before and the the pluses and and minuses of that. Um, and there are a lot of pluses, but one of the negatives is like sometimes it does feel like every race I go to is a bit of gambling, which like really like bot like stresses me out because I do not like gambling. I I can't bluff, I can't do anything like that. Um, so like that whole whole thing like stresses me out. But like, yeah, it is a bit of a gamble because like, okay, I'm I'm paying my way in travel to to get out there. And I'm I think that this is a a good opportunity for for securing a sponsor. And um, there's also great prize money. So I think ACG is doing some awesome things there too, um, in terms of putting prize money up for athletes. Um, but yeah, it it is a gamble which is going to um bring uh a bit of nerves um to the to the party, right? Um and so I think I I've got that in the back of my mind, but really just trying to focus on like what I just talked about excitement for exploring the new area, um excitement for matching up against these amazing runners, um, and and just going out and having fun with it. Because that is like at the end of the day, I would love a sponsorship, but at the end of the day, I I do this because I love it. And I I truly love racing and trail running and all that.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

I love it. Beautiful answer. Um, like I said, we're we're gonna change this within the next calendar year. So uh fingers crossed. Fingers crossed, fingers crossed. And dude, I hope you do enjoy it. Like it is a super fun area. Like my wife raced uh a couple years ago, she did the 50k. And dude, I was like a pig in shit on those trails. I had so much fun um just running on all over the PCT, and then there's like a lot of cool like little coffee shops, and there's like a burger stand like not too far from the start. There's like it's like a really cool like PNW vibes kind of spot. So yeah, you're gonna you're gonna have a blast. It's a fun area. I like Portland. Absolutely. Yeah. What do you think about the distance? Because this distance is uh, I mean, obviously you've shown your chops in uh you know very fast marathons. You but you also raced last year a lot of short trail, like very short trail, circle series like events. I think what Kendall Mountain Run might have been one of your longest events last year. Um so this is this is a little bit further, but it's also sea level. So what's your take as far as distance goes?

Free Agent Pressure And Prize Money

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Oh yeah, definitely. I I think like this is like me starting to step outside of my comfort zone, if if we're being completely honest. I think anything when I'm starting to approach more like the two-hour region um of length of of the race, we start kind of being like, okay, now I I need to lock in. This isn't something I feel as confident in as an athlete. I really think like last year especially, I've really nailed down um the the one hour time frame of races and right around one hour. So I feel incredibly confident in that. Um the two-hour one is definitely more of an unknown and more of uh not quite as much confidence in in that event type. Um, I think in the past I've struggled with um pacing, I've struggled with uh cramping. Uh pacing is a big one. I very much get very excited at the start of races, and I'm used to these shorter events, and I'm like, oh, I'm feeling really good. I think I can hammer. And so I think that's going to be one of my biggest challenges at this race is like, okay, staying calm at the at the start. Um, and then also really taking care of myself with hydration and feeling something that I can kind of get away with not giving a ton of attention to um in the shorter events. I still feel and hydrate those, but uh I can mess up a little bit more, right? Because if it I just like don't have to keep going as long. Um, but that's kind of the excitement of the race too. Like uh little unknown.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Yeah, it's it's entering into that unknown. It's working on things that I don't feel like are strengths for me and and trying to improve in that area and increase my confidence um in these longer races. Um, and that's something that I'm really motivated to do, both as an athlete, um, but also like I'm very motivated as a coach to like learn more about that, like work through the struggles. Because like me getting curious about that within my own athletics, I'm gonna be able to pass that on to my athletes. Because again, I the things that like you learn through experience, right? And I think that's so valuable as a coach to have these experiences of of racing, but also running into challenges and finding out ways to to work through them. Um and so yeah, I think it'll be it'll be a good challenge for me to kind of up my my distance comfort level. Um, and later this year I am looking to do uh the Speed Goat 50K. So that'll be a very long one, um, especially in terms of time. Um and so I think this is gonna be a really valuable, um, a really valuable race for me to to learn from. Um, and hopefully I can kind of iron out my my longer distance racing and kind of grow from it.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

I love that. I can't wait to talk speed go with you. It's gonna be that's gonna be a fun conversation. Oh, yeah. Are are you thinking about polls for that? Like, I don't know, because I feel like Sinclair has had a ton of success using polls on that course. And yeah, so Scott Patterson too. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Yeah, I don't know. So I haven't really thought about much about polls. Um ways away, but it's a long ways away. Um, also, like I think it depends on on the athlete and on on the background. So um David Sinclair, like amazing like schemo athlete, like probably very effective at using poles. Like I mentioned earlier, I don't know anything about ski, like other than the aerobic side of things and like the strength side of things. And so, like the technique of using poles, that would be something I'd I'd really have to work on. Um, and so it would probably be something that I maybe experiment with a little bit later. But at this point in time, I'm I'm thinking no poles. I don't know if that's foolish or not. We'll but we'll find out.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

We're gonna find out. That's gonna, yeah, we'll we'll have a fun one talking about it. Shifting shifting back to Gorge. Um, interesting take here because with Caleb out of the race, the front of the race looks very different. Um, Tyler's notorious for kind of Tyler's, I think Tyler, no, Tyler's got in second place in this in the 50k. I was there that year. Um, so he knows these courses very well, plus he lived in Portland for a while. But he's a sit back and kind of watch the field figure itself out kind of guy. I know you're a little aggressive if you're feeling well. I know Tyler's aggressive, and I know Remy's aggressive. So I kind of see how this, and maybe you'll get some other guys in the mix early on. Uh, strategy-wise, especially are you do you think you're more of are you just gonna go for it? Or you think you're just gonna maybe kind of watch and see, see, because you can't just let Remy go or Tyler go. You gotta you gotta match, you know.

Pacing Hydration And The Two-Hour Unknown

SPEAKER_01 22:40

So I think there's a couple of things that I'm I'm taking into account um for for myself personally. So one of the things I will mention is I'm I'm coming off a bit of an injury. Um, and so that's another question mark that I have in my head. So I've been dealing with a bit of um like runner's knee, like patellar ephemeral um syndrome since like um beginning of like January. Um, so that's really kind of affected my training. So I've been able to get some really good volume in, and like last week I got some really good workouts in that I was really proud of and leads me to be fairly confident going into this race. Um, but there is a bit of a question mark there of like what what I can and can't do. I think my plan is to um probably play it a little bit safer than I I have in in the past in races. Um, if anyone's familiar with how I've raced in the past, I I tend to not play it safe at all. So what that says is a kind of uh question mark there as well. Um safe money don't make money. Yeah, exactly. I I really I I I enjoy that style of racing. I think it's a lot of fun. Um and and I have a good time with it. I think I'm prepared for it to go out really hot uh without my assistance. Um and so I think my plan is to just kind of like try to stay contact with with that like fast start. Um and at this point in time I'm not thinking of adding to that. But this is uh right now Mason and race Mason and what goes through my head in two days before Saturday, that's right. Tends to be very different. Um, so I can be very like logical, calm, cool, collected right now, but like as soon as the gun goes off, that's that's a different person. So who knows?

SPEAKER_00 24:44

I love it. Now the race is what? Friday? Are you gonna hang around throughout the weekend to kind of enjoy it and see what the deal is?

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Like just kind of soak it in or yeah, so uh I'll the race is Friday. Um, I think I'm heading back Saturday. Um, just again, uh hard to hard to stay out there long term, um, travel, finances, and and stuff like that. Um and so yeah, plan is to hang out there, um take off like Saturday afternoon, but I'll be getting out there tomorrow. Um, so get a bit of time to like get adjusted to to being there. Um and then yeah, race, race Friday and then head back Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Dude, I love it. I love it. Biz quick business trip, man. If uh if if things all go to plan, body's healthy, things feel good. Um are you still running Boston or no? Are you gonna are you gonna defer to another? I remember you saying that last time. You are gonna run Boston.

Injury Check Race Logistics And Boston

SPEAKER_01 25:43

Okay. Yeah, so I will be doubling back um post-Gorge to run Boston. How fast I'm gonna run Boston is uh question mark. Um I think I was talking a big game earlier in the year and like thinking, oh, I can I can do Gorge and then come back to Boston and hammer. And you know, like the universe has a funny way of like putting you in your place. And so I I got like a little bit of an injury, and so now I'm not feeling quite as cocky about coming doubling back to Boston. Um, but either way, I'm I'm really excited to go out there. I have some friends doing the race. Um, and so I'll I'll be there with them and um gonna go out there and really enjoy my my experience out there. Like Boston's such a cool event, such a cool historic event. Um, and again, like a lot of my athletes, this is like one of their events that they really prioritize and um really um set as a high goal for them. And I I want to understand that. I I want to experience that. And even just like little things, like I want to know how the shuttles work, I want to know how the aid stations work. I I want to get the full Boston experience. Um and again, I think that'll just help me learn as a coach. So kind of using viewing Boston more as a uh a learning experience and and something to have fun at than um something that I'm really trying to crush.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

I love it. I love it. It's great, dude. You're you're the way you approach these things, like mentally, I gotta learn from you, dude. I think the entire audience can learn from uh the way you approach it.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

So yeah, also this is coming out a little bit more polished, like just so we know, like everyone knows. Like, like my wife was like having it up to here with me by the end of this injury of just like very annoyed as I was moping about. So I'm definitely coming off the tail end of the injury, and so now I'm like, oh, I'm so zen, I'm feeling good. Um, but yeah, no, this is I definitely am not perfect with this stuff. Um we eventually got there too.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Isn't it crazy how the confidence swings? Like one day you're in like a terrible mood and you're like, oh, I hate running, I hate life, I hate this, hate that. And then you next day you feel really good.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

You're like, oh, here we are, we're back. Yeah, who was that guy? I don't know. I don't remember hating running. No. Um and this is something I talk about a lot with like my athletes and stuff like that, of just like, I love running, but yeah, no, I I go through those those days, and it's it's not always perfect, it's not always um great mentality. Um, but that's that's a fact of life, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:33

I love it. I love it. Macy Kobe, wishing you the best of luck at Gorge. It's a great interview. Obviously, uh it's gonna be a great day for you, and uh I can't wait to follow along. And uh thanks again for coming on. This is the again, we'll have we'll have many more of these throughout the year.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

So awesome, awesome. Well, thank you so much for having me on. Always a blast uh to come on the show.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

I appreciate it, buddy. Thank you.