The Amazing Digital Flop

On this week's episode of The Scat Cast, the boys discuss the ending to The Amazing Digital Circus. This (naturally) leads into the most horrifying topic of all... fandoms...

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Do you know how much it costs to do the Artemis launch per US citizen? How much? Like 16 bucks. Damn.

SPEAKER_08 0:04

That's not bad. That's 16 bucks per use. There's 350 million of us. That's pretty expensive. Imagine the government says just give me 16 right now. You're like, fuck you. For to go to the moon? I'm not going. That would do it. Maybe wait. How much you say? 16 bucks a person? I'm not giving you 16 bucks. What? To go to the moon? I'm not going. So? Fuck you. If I go, I'll fuck you.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Bro's holding back space travel because he is personally offended.

SPEAKER_05 0:29

You said that feel like we're about to agree with you. I'm John. I'm Afonso. Welcome to the Scat Cast. We don't know either. Not at all. So I heard you watched the Amazing Digital Circus in the theater. Yeah, Thursday night, opening night, like early opening night.

SPEAKER_08 0:50

How did that smell? That's not funny. Uh his fault. It was pretty funny. It was okay for the first part, and then someone decided to get up and just fucking crop dust our like line in the theater row. That's bad. Yeah, so I'm sitting down. You described the smell. How putrid was it? Okay. Honestly, it okay. If I'm being like, if I'm being honest and fair to the dude, it just smelt like you know, ever have a sweaty game and such ever just game so hard you just sweat. I guess it smelled like he sweated, gooned, and had a little bit of onion twang to it.

SPEAKER_05 1:27

Onion twang. You know something that smelled like onions?

SPEAKER_08 1:31

Yes, like their natural BL, like their natural BL. So you're saying it was it smelled It was like a musty oniony goony smell.

SPEAKER_05 1:38

Yeah, so it was like he just watched palney porn while and then realized halfway through the goon sesh that he had he was late to the movie, so he fucking grabbed his spare onion and like an anime girl with a fucking bagel in her mouth, he was like running with a fucking onion, running like okay, I got you. I I get what you're saying, okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:57

Yeah, you wouldn't expect him to smell like that because I mean he just kind of looked like a nerdy white guy, but when he walked, it's like a tall, skinny, nerdy white guy. So you don't think too much about it. He's like, okay, he's a dork.

SPEAKER_05 2:06

But like when he walked by, you just got like a visible fucking stink cloud in there.

SPEAKER_08 2:14

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 2:15

I'm surprised you all saw it Thursday night. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_08 2:17

Well, that's what he bought the tickets for. He thought it was Friday, but it turns out it was Thursday. Yeah. But honestly, like, as someone who's like somewhat of a fan of the series, I'm not as crazy as some of these other uh people online. Just gonna say that right now. Like, I enjoyed the story just because I've always liked how you describe it. Like, it's like a Gravity Falls type of horror where it's like the uncertainty is in like the mystery of the show. It's like, okay, are they real? Are they fake? What's going on? Who is this? Can they leave? And how that was like the allure, and I like mysteries like that. I like mystery incorporated, gravity falls, just shows where like there's an overarching like theme of um uncanny horror, like losing your body's uncanny horror, a fucking fifth-dimensional being is uncanny horror, the whole fucking Cthulhu shit with Scuba-Dos. That's like an uncanny, like it's it's a bigger mystery, and it like it infects the entire store. I guess that's what like the like the fact that Kane is an AI and you can't tell if these are real people or not, infects the entire store. Every any every interaction, every dialogue is like, is this simulated? Is this real? Is this fake? And that's what I liked about it.

SPEAKER_05 3:18

I don't know. I I didn't really like the show that much, like honestly. I've seen every episode. I watched them as they came out after a certain point.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 3:26

Because I remember like back when the pilot first came out, I I watched it and I was like, eh. Um, and then eventually it came out. I kind of missed a bunch of them and then had to catch up on it or whatever. Um yeah, I don't know. I I thought I don't like using the word cringe. Um, so I don't really know like the best word to use to just like.

SPEAKER_08 3:46

What did you think was cringe about it in the first place?

SPEAKER_05 3:49

The writing. The writing was cringe, the dialogue, the character drama, um everything on like a writing level.

SPEAKER_07 4:03

So like was the so you're saying the plot was fine, but how they you know strung the plot I didn't like either.

SPEAKER_05 4:10

You like the plot? I like some of the concepts. I like the concepts of a plot, but shout out. They had the concepts of a plot, but that's about all they had, I feel like, going into it.

SPEAKER_08 4:23

Like, okay, my question is like, not not to discredit anything you're saying that, but like, why do you think other people liked it so much? I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 4:31

Legitimately, like, we watched it. We're trying to Oh, you a K R. Yeah, we watched it.

SPEAKER_06 4:35

Did she watch the finale with you?

SPEAKER_05 4:36

Uh she already saw it in Portuguese first. Um, before before I watched it with her. And what does she think? Oh, she she doesn't like it either. Okay, like she she's like me, like pretty much the entire time. Um, when I wanted to go like watch it originally, she like gave me like a forewarning. She was like, Yeah, I'll watch it with you, but like, it's not great. She was like, I'm not gonna say that much to like you know, hamper your mood or whatever. I was like, She was like, It's not great. I was like, Okay. Um, so I watched it, I was like, Wow, that was bad. It's kind of like what I said. Um, but I don't hate it. I think I like some of the characters and stuff. Um, but overall, I think it's just not fun. It's kind of boring a lot of the time, too. Excuse me. Um I don't really care about Pomney as a character, especially as a protagonist. She's just very kind of boring, she doesn't really have a whole lot going on. Um, Gangle, I never liked very annoying. Jax, since the very beginning of that show, has been such an annoying character to deal with, and he only becomes like a bigger character over the course of the show to the point where I just do not care about what he has going on, and then spoilers, I guess. In the finale, it's just nothing but him. Yeah, like a solid 30-minute chunk is for no reason, there's no purpose for that whatsoever.

SPEAKER_08 6:06

We can talk about later, but keep going. Like, just run through what you're doing.

SPEAKER_05 6:09

I mean, what like let's just say now I guess there's spoilers in what we're saying, but um yeah, okay. I'll I'll get into that later. The only characters I really like are Ragathon uh uh Kinger. That's it. Those are the only characters I like, and I guess Kind and Kane. That's really it. Okay. Only ones. Um sorry, I'm fucking chewing on. I need to stop. Get the fucking jelly beans away from me. Um but they're the only ones that I feel like actually have like character arcs besides Pomney. Pomney, like, obviously, gets more like accustomed to the the place or whatever. It's kind of it. Um Zubel's cool, but she doesn't have anything to do over the course of the show. I like Zubul, but she has nothing going on.

SPEAKER_08 6:51

She's pretty much grounded, she just takes care of uh what's her what's her face?

SPEAKER_05 6:54

Gangle. Yeah, yeah. Gangle, I don't give a shit about. No offense, Gangle Gang, but um Jax is Jax is the exact same over the course of the whole show.

SPEAKER_08 7:02

Yeah, and that was like that was the whole point. Like he never changed. That was I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that was the point, he just never changed. The point of this character is that he's poorly written. Cool. Well, the point of the character is that you have to be willing to save yourself. And he's not, but but it's like the thing is it like spoiler, he's not even a real character, he's literally a brain scan of a traumatized they all are. Well, not the they all are, but that's not an excuse. It kind of is because it's not real, like there's no room for growth. That's just what he is. The other characters grow. Do they really? Pommy basically stays the same.

SPEAKER_05 7:34

Ragatha just kind of she grows accustomed to it. She gets she grows accustomed to it the fastest, so it's like she gets more comfortable in her own skin. Ragatha starts realizing she needs to step back and start like stop pushing herself onto people so much. Zubal becomes more comfortable in her own skin. Kane isn't even fucking real to begin with, and even he changes by the end of the last episode. The only one who stays the same by choice is Jax.

SPEAKER_08 7:56

Yeah, but then you see, like, when he ends up because like apparently, I I I'm not an S for this, but apparently, like abstraction is a form of suicide.

unknown 8:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 8:06

As in like you It's just you giving up. Yeah, you giving up, like you just you become like isolated in your own thoughts, and like you just kind of get consumed by yourself. Yeah, so Jax forced both of his friends, maybe his love interest, depending on how much you want to read into it, to commit suicide. Yeah, and that fucked with him.

SPEAKER_05 8:24

See, my my whole thing is this, right? What was the point of having the scene and showing Jax's backstory and doing all this shit after you already know he's abstracted? What does that benefit the plot?

SPEAKER_08 8:38

Personally, uh I can't confirm this as well, but I thought the whole point of Pomney being able to talk to Jax when he already like posts abstracted was to like leave like this open-ended question of like, okay, is abstraction curable? If if they're not real and can uh can't but then they showed you can't cure it. Well, is it that you can't cure it or is that it takes more time?

SPEAKER_05 8:58

Well, if that was the case, they would have shown it. I feel like I feel like the whole point they fucking they treat them like zoo animals, they were sitting there in an aquarium watching them swim around. Well, okay, to be fair now. I feel like they absolutely would have shown them cured at that point.

SPEAKER_08 9:14

I feel like I feel like personally, it's one of those things like they're trying to learn more about them because they realize okay, they don't attack if they're in a dark space, because the same thing with Kingers, like because my whole thing, right?

SPEAKER_05 9:24

They said like when the show was still coming out, they're like, Oh, yeah, the show is about like learning to be comfortable in a stagnant place or whatever the fuck, right? That was what caused them to abstract to begin with because they weren't comfortable in that place and they gave up, right? Yeah, then Kane stops torturing people in the place. Now everyone there's comfortable, and these people are still abstracted and treated like animals. Why would that not be the time they're cured?

SPEAKER_08 9:50

You know what I mean? I think once you abstract, you've kind of like because like there was two jacks, like the one is the monster jacks, and one is like but again, at this point, he's abstracted.

SPEAKER_05 9:58

Why do I care about his backstory at this point? He's not a character anymore. He's literally an animal. Like, there's literally no reason to show his backstory at that point. I feel like why would Pawnee even be able to like enter him and talk to him? What does she gain out of this? Like, what is the closure that she gains out of this? That he was troubled. She already knew that.

SPEAKER_08 10:18

Yeah, she was troubled, but she was probably like, I think the difference was that Ragatha is like she she uh she's like super submissive to what like she learns to not be. Yeah, but her whole character is that like she just gives up, like she tries and then she sees like you just don't pay attention, she gives up. That was one point she just gives up. Pawnee is too persistent, she doesn't give up, yeah. So, like, she didn't give up on jacks either. That was like the whole point of that in the interaction is to learn about him.

SPEAKER_05 10:41

It would have made more sense, but she's persistent for something that doesn't matter, but she doesn't know that.

SPEAKER_08 10:47

And two, what I think now you I can't say this for certain. What I think is possible and why I think they left it kind of open-ended, is like, remember they brought back that dog scratch, like out of what so all of the people who have extracted, technically, if they are just memory files and not real people, their memory files are sitting in that one vault that Kane had access to, but then he gave up his God powers by releasing the blue orb. So, like I still understand what the fuck that was. I couldn't, I couldn't tell you. I think remember that That shit was stupid, it made no sense. Basically, Kane was the red AI, the the blue orb was the right. No, I I got all that. So basically, I guess he just I guess he was holding it hostage and he relinquished the power. But now I will say I know I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying, because it makes a lot of and one of the main complaints I've been seeing from people is that like that happened too quickly, like they probably should have just got rid of episode eight and then just added another 30 minutes, like just fleshing everything out, especially with the whole Kane redemption arc and stuff, which is a very fair critique. I I agree with that. Like, that's fair to say.

SPEAKER_05 11:46

I mean, okay, so the blue thing was clearly another AI. Yes, that was the better AI that been made, the second one. But the thing is with that, they never showed that AI's character whatsoever.

SPEAKER_07 11:57

That's probably bubble.

SPEAKER_05 11:58

That's what I thought too, but they didn't have they didn't show bubble fucking leaving him, they just showed the fucking little blue dot.

SPEAKER_08 12:04

Well, I think that was the point. I guess they were like, because like Kane always showed me.

SPEAKER_05 12:07

Like, I guess you're supposed to I guess, but they don't necessarily tell you, but it's not really like it, like it's not even like an inference thing. It's like, oh, you should have been able to pick up the clues and know this. It's just like I I can only guess that's my best clue as to what's going on, but they didn't really leave anything like up to interpretation. I don't know his personality at all. I thought when he was gonna do that, that he was gonna like fucking defuse and be two different people, but he didn't do that. He just fucking like go go off into the sunset, you know. That was all he did.

SPEAKER_08 12:36

Well, like but then that same became the moon. That was like the whole conversation was like a forgave him, and then I guess he just wanted to be forgiven. That thing wasn't the moon. I never programmed you to say that.

SPEAKER_05 12:47

I know he didn't program any of them to do anything.

SPEAKER_08 12:50

He programmed, he made that entire world.

SPEAKER_05 12:51

I thought that was him discovering that they have sentience. I thought that because that was the whole thing with like gummy goo and shit. He was sentient. He didn't program him to be sentient. Oh, maybe. I thought that was him just being like, oh shit, I can create life. I didn't realize that. I thought I was just creating NPCs.

SPEAKER_08 13:05

I took it as him giving up his like god mode powers in the moon or the blue orb forgiving him. That's how I tried. But honestly, that's probably a fair point, too.

SPEAKER_05 13:11

You know what I mean? Like I was like, I didn't take it that way at all. Honestly, those two, honestly, that's that's that's fair. You see what I mean? They have concepts of a plot, they don't have a plot.

SPEAKER_08 13:21

You know what I mean? You see what I'm saying? I'm just like, yeah, yeah. Like, but I enjoyed the ride of it too. I'm not gonna lie. Cause I think because what K really really liked about it, and what I like, I really like enjoyed was like, I will say, this was definitely more like emo LGBTQ coded, which is like basically a good like third of the show. It's kind of like those subtext between Zubul and Gangle. Yeah, it's the whole thing with like Jax and like gender identity and him not feeling like he belongs. Like that whole thing was whatever, that's fine. What I liked about, I guess I'll go to my likes just to tell you like what I got out of the movie.

SPEAKER_05 13:51

Yeah, no, because like legitimately after we watched the episode, we were both like, I legitimately wonder what Alfonso and KJ like about this show.

SPEAKER_08 13:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 13:59

We're like, okay, well, we want to ask this. So yeah, go ahead. I want to hear this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 14:03

So what I liked about the finale was it gave me more, how I say this, it just gave me more insight into the character interactions. Now I agree, Pomney stayed flat, and then they explain it in a very like, I guess they kind of they showed and telled, and they also told you. But when whoever speaks was like, Yeah, you adapted the quickest. It was King's like, you adapted the quickest. Like, I guess to say that her main character, like the the one who got her brain scan, she was like, her whole issue before she came was that she felt lonely and didn't belong. So it would make sense that because she never had a spot, she would just make her own spot here.

SPEAKER_05 14:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 14:40

As a as a person who never fit in around her peers, because I'll say like this my brain works the same way. I don't know how you feel, but like when I go into crisis mode, I think way more clearer than if I'm not in crisis mode. To put that in perspective, like if I'm flirting or talking to a girl, my brain's in crisis mode and I don't know how to function properly. But if there's like an like when I chopped up my fingers, if I'm getting shot, like if there's an actual life or death emergency, I'm very calm and I'm very, I don't want to say thorough, but tactical with how I make my decisions. Yeah. And like she thinks shit out. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how Pami, I feel like how that's how Pommy took that situation in real life when she's doing with social interaction, she's a nervous wreck, she can't really fit in. But this is quietly like, can you this that that's when you lock the fuck in? Yeah. And like that whole like dialogue of like locking out, I was like, okay, that's cool. She locks in because she needs to find like and she never gave up. Like now's her whole characters. Like, she is a very determined person, but she needs a purpose.

SPEAKER_03 15:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:32

And that that was kind of my takeaway was that they all needed a purpose. Yes. That was like their main thing was needing a purpose. That's what abstraction is. It's giving up because you don't have a purpose.

SPEAKER_08 15:42

Yeah, you don't connect to people anymore. You wouldn't have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_05 15:45

That's what I thought the theme was, and I think that would have made more sense in the finale for me. Is if they found ways to actually give themselves a purpose, but they don't. They just fuck around all day. Yeah, yeah. They're like, oh, I want to play baseball. I'm gonna play baseball. I want to fucking eat a rotisserie chicken. I'm gonna eat a rotisserie chicken.

SPEAKER_08 16:00

Well, I think the whole well we I guess you could say in the end they did give themselves purpose because they start going on adventures with Kane and they just start having fun because that's all they can do, which is kind of that's not really a purpose. Well, what what are they they can't leave that? This is their home now, so the purpose is just to enjoy every day and be there for each other, which is what they said. Yeah, so I mean, I guess that's kind of the purpose. I see where you're coming from. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not really much of anything. If you're doing the same shit you were doing before, well, I mean, there's there's like I'll say like this it is kind of bleak that there is nothing they can really do because they can't leave.

SPEAKER_05 16:26

I'll say this too: the characters themselves didn't need to change at all. Kane is the only one that actually needed to do anything for anything in the plot to change. What do you mean? What would have been different in this finale if Kane from the beginning was like, I'm just gonna be completely honest with you. I'm just gonna tell you what you're doing on the outside. He didn't know that though until he died.

SPEAKER_08 16:50

He never accessed those files, so he had no fucking. He could have, he just chose not to. Well, he you saw even the when he still had the god powers, he didn't know how to fucking get to it.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

Like he there was like firewalls, so he obviously so he tried. That was it. That's what I'm saying. Like, like characters themselves being given the information of like, hey, this is what your real life person is, or whatever. It doesn't change shit about how they act on the inside at all. It doesn't change anything about their characters, it doesn't like reveal anything about them.

SPEAKER_08 17:17

I will say one thing. I could I can't recall. Did Kane know they were always brain scans, or did he just find that out now? No, he knew. He knew the entire time. That's what I got out of it anyway. I thought he didn't know either until he found out that the real life versions were outside. That's how I took it. Because he that's just like these humans, like I I thought he thought that they were real people too. Regardless, it doesn't matter. I mean, it's the same end result, you know what I mean? Kind of, but I feel like the context matters. Like, why didn't he like break in and do the whole thing? Pike didn't know that existed, which is the whole point is that they hit a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 17:45

Well, and I I mean I'm fine with him not doing it, I don't care. But my point is that, like, when that happens in the story, it doesn't matter if that happens now, episode two, episode three, it doesn't matter when that like change happens in him, they all still end up in the exact same position in the last episode. You know what I mean? They all still end up coming to that same realization that oh, we need a purpose, we're all gonna do this, we're all gonna live happy life. Like that's that's it. You know what I mean? Their only obstacle they had to that was Kane. That was it. Well, the only obstacle was the fact that they didn't know they weren't alive. But that's what I'm saying. If they were given that information from the beginning, then yeah, okay, would they care?

SPEAKER_08 18:23

You know, but that was the whole that was the whole mystery were they alive or not.

SPEAKER_05 18:26

So, like but now they know, and it's like, okay, we're just gonna be cool in the same position instead. Like, they don't have any growth from learning that information whatsoever. They literally get told the information and they're like, no, no, no, no, call me pomni. And then like they do that whole thing, and it's like they they start saying, like, oh, I'll call you Abigail. And it's like, I'm pomni now.

SPEAKER_08 18:45

No, I'll okay. I have like it's not a counter-argument, like I have a different interpretation from that. The way I took it was just like it's still like a dystopian horror, but I can't say dystopian because it's not like the broken society. It's like uh, it's like a I am uh uh have no. Well, it doesn't even have the horror aspect to it anymore. It's it's the horror is the fact that you're never you never were alive in the first place, and now you are a sentient thing in a place that will never change.

SPEAKER_05 19:09

And it's like, imagine that's how it is living on Earth, bro. I don't know what to tell you. I'm a sentient thing living in a place that'll never change. I don't, it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_08 19:16

Technically, no, like everything here changes. Like we have new presidents, new leaders, new worlds. Yeah, they go on new adventures every day. I don't know. They play baseball when they want to. I don't know. But it's like everything they have there is by their own control. The the part of living in the rule was that there's some things that are just out. Like a meteor could just come down and blow up the like there's there's certain things that they will just never have the novelty to experience. And that's where like I don't think it's a horror.

SPEAKER_05 19:40

It's an inconvenience.

SPEAKER_08 19:42

It's a it's a it's a I was what's the post? It is it deals more into like the cause, it's like a horror horror is the overarching term.

SPEAKER_05 19:49

Kane being evil made it horror because he was basically torturing them and shit. That was the entire thing. He was making them do his bidding the entire time. Um, basically to get his own enjoyment out of it or whatever, pretty much. He was like, oh like fair socially, yeah. He was like, I want to feel fulfilled in the fact that you feel fulfilled or whatever. But there was nothing that goes or changes from that in the middle of it. You know what I mean? Like nothing about the show itself changes from having that happen earlier versus later.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Welcome to the Scat Cast.

SPEAKER_05 20:21

Oh my god! Welcome to the Scat Cast, Darren! Oh we know this guy. Okay, you can continue. Do you know this guy? I know this guy.

SPEAKER_08 20:30

I think for like what I enjoyed about it, my personal like enjoyment came from like with the ending. I kinda how would I say this? I liked the fact that they at least expanded more on Jax because he was the most troubled, like as you said, he didn't change, he was the most troubled person there. And when like I was watching it, like, how like you know when there's just like a bad person, but like you're like, oh, they were like raped, shot, bruised, abused, group, and then like like you add all these like contributing factors to where it's like before you're just a shitty person, it's like, oh, you're a shitty person with like baggage, you know what I mean? And like basically it just it gave me like more of like a it's like I don't like you, but I understand you. And I kind of like the I kind of like I like characters like that. It was like, yeah, you're I understood him to begin with, though. It was very I didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 21:19

I mean, like, you like he's an asshole, but it's like it was very clear he had a reason for being an asshole. But what was the reason though? That's why I the reason doesn't matter. I'm just like, oh, he had a tough upbringing. That's it. That's that's I mean, really, it's what it boiled down to. It was just like, yeah, I had a tough upbringing. That's kind of what I assumed. I assumed he was like, Yeah, I had parents that was kind of mean to me and stuff. That was pretty much what it boiled down to. I guess that's kind of what I assumed going into it. I was like, oh, he's just gonna be an asshole to everyone because of that, and he just does all that and kills himself. That's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_08 21:51

No, I mean, I still liked it because I like the fact that, like, you kind of you kind of firsthand see what an abstraction really is because you've never really seen exactly that someone abstract. Like you can kind of tell like when Jack starts to do around like six or seven, it's like he uh just feels weird and like he gets he doesn't want to hang out. Like he he starts to like socially isolate himself and freak out, but like when you see him like torture like an emotionally abused ribbed, you're like oh it's bad, bad. Like you you have there's like levels to this shit, like you just hit like a suicidal low point. Because that one scene where like she tries to see because that was the same type of shit he was doing to people before that, too.

SPEAKER_05 22:26

Well, not really before he was he was being done to him by his parents, and then he got in there. No, that's what I'm saying. Like throughout the entire show, you see him doing that type of stuff to people. It's not just rivet he does it too.

SPEAKER_08 22:36

But that's when he first started doing it, and that's what caused the first, and then he just kind of you know stops caring. I mean, yeah, I'm seeing him watch it over and over again, but it's stuff I've already seen him do. Well, but then again, that's before he knew, and that apparently the reason why he does abstract is because he realized he's not real. Like the entire point was that he kept holding himself together, was because he was like, I I need to get out if you're alive. But once I guess he found out that he's not even alive, he's like, what the fuck? Nothing matters. Yeah, and that's what was kind of like the last tipping point for his character. Which I was like, you know, that makes sense. But like K liked it because he's like, Wow, Jax killed his both of his best friends, his girlfriend, and then he just killed himself. He just he just found K just like he just he found that funny. I like it is funny, I liked it because it was just like it didn't have the emotional weight that they wanted it to.

SPEAKER_05 23:16

It is funny.

SPEAKER_08 23:17

I don't know. I just felt like it was very um I like tragedy, and it just felt like a very tragic thing. And I I guess that was part of like I got my.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Was it bad? Do people think it's bad?

SPEAKER_05 23:27

Yeah, I mean, John thinks it's bad.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

A lot of people think it's bad.

SPEAKER_05 23:31

When it leaked, a lot of people said it was terrible, but now that it's actually like out, I've seen a lot of people saying it's not as bad as they said it was. I've seen a lot of that saying.

SPEAKER_08 23:39

Yeah, like as they said it was, but like is it still bad? John doesn't like it. I enjoyed it for what it was.

SPEAKER_05 23:44

So it's kind of I didn't like any of the shows. I don't know. That's kind of what I was telling him. I was like, I really don't like the majority of that show at all. It has concepts of a plot, and that's pretty much it. It's all it's really got going on for it. I assume you haven't watched it. What is your opinion on it having not watched it?

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Um, I don't like the fans, they're cringy. That's they stink apparently. They pissed it. Surprise to nobody. So well, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 24:06

I mean, they're so cringy that the creator's like, I can't, I'm not gonna touch this shit again. Like they kind of just made the That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

I totally understand.

SPEAKER_08 24:13

I'm not coming back.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

I don't like that genre of people.

SPEAKER_08 24:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:17

Well, I don't know they had like the drama and stuff where it's like, oh, some of the voice actors had slurs or whatever in the past.

SPEAKER_08 24:22

No, they like joked about it and never said it, and then niggas were just like lost, they went turbo nuclear fucking. Well, it's like you cults or basically like Jax's voice actor, I think Zool's voice actor, like they were playing like fucking what's that uh Jackbox game where like you can like make up funny phrases. And like basically they never said like nick, but like it was like an implied nick, and they were laughing about it.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

But then it's always funny as well.

SPEAKER_08 24:45

No one ever said nick, though. No one ever said nick, but the fabric was like, um, well, I didn't like how the and that made me uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Get a sense of humor, bro. That's why nobody likes you.

SPEAKER_05 24:53

I mean, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 24:54

Like, you cultivate the most like well, they didn't that's what they walked away from. They didn't cultivate, they just happened to be part of like the LGBTQ community and like have those themes in their show.

SPEAKER_05 25:01

But that's what I was gonna say. Like, they cultivated like one of the most like LGBTQ focused like demographics versus sensitive demographics. Yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't think that that wouldn't happen, you know what I mean? Like that type of thing.

SPEAKER_08 25:14

I see what you're saying, but I guess from the writer's perspective, they just kind of wrote a show how they felt, and then like of course, you know, people in their circus in their camp.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

People in their camp are like people in their digital circus. Oh, I guess it's like this. Let's say that my digital circus. Oh, dude!

SPEAKER_08 25:32

Let's just say, let's if I was gonna like break it down, like how I see it, Darren. Basically, if the the writer of the show has like a 50-50 tolerance, like they can deal with people calling them like slurs and shit, and they can also laugh at it, and then they're still part of the the sensitive community, and the sensitive community, their tolerance is like 25 to 15. It's like the shit that they wrote that's like at a level 50, it only degrades once you send it to more people inside that community because they're like at 15, 25, 10. And so they just get more offended by things you probably don't care about. It won't blink an eye to.

SPEAKER_05 26:02

And then they kept bitching and moaning to her, and she's like, I just can't. I saw some of the most like I said, I hate using the word cringe. Like, I hate that. Really hate using the word cringe? I hate that word. I think it's such an indescript, vague, like downy word.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

It's not even like a descriptive word, it's a feeling.

SPEAKER_08 26:18

That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm like, So if that goes, hello, princess, you don't think that's cringe? Like, what would you call that?

SPEAKER_02 26:24

I don't know. Because cringe is subjective, but when somebody says something's cringe, like I know it makes them feel like, oh, it's not good.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

But um, what I was gonna say is I don't say that a lot, but like when a lot of that like drama and stuff came out, there was so much like weird shit that people were like. I remember there were fan songs about Jax saying the N-word and shit that were coming out around then. And we were like, my name is Jax, and I say the N slur. Like, oh, like what the fuck are you saying, bro? I mean it is like it's cringy, you're right. Yeah, I'm like, bro, what the yeah, like it's like cringe is the only word I can say to like I don't know. I hate the fans, yeah. I think the fans, yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I will say I think I think the show itself is written in a way where it's specifically is targeted to cultivate those fans.

SPEAKER_08 27:09

But then again, that person is part of that place that has yeah, it's it's it's kind of a double-edged sword. So if you have a higher tolerance in a very sensitive like community, you're only gonna get more sensitive niggas like critiquing your shit, which is you know, par for the course. But I will say, best fans in any fan base is Invincible fans. Those niggas make me laugh all the time. I'm dragging it, brain rock fucking. Like they just have they just start jerking still.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

I'm marking it, but they're just normal fucking people, like let's be honest.

SPEAKER_05 27:33

Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Like everybody watches Invincible, I feel like.

SPEAKER_05 27:36

I don't know what the fuck was going on with those like invincible wiggly idiots and shit. Like bracksuit mark just going, I didn't know what the fuck was going on. Bro, they had like fucking mark on like a brachiosaurus and shit. I didn't know what the hell was going on, bro.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

Hannah watches Invincible that I sent her those memes, and she's like, dude, what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_05 27:54

I don't know if I'd say they're normal people. I don't know what the fuck's going on when I see shit like that, bro. They're on something for sure.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Okay, okay, not normal. There's a variety of people that watch Invincible.

SPEAKER_08 28:04

Yeah, a little like okay, let's say, yeah, uh the digital circus, that's very like much like a blue sky kind of group. Yeah, Invincible has way too much like ground with any everybody. Yeah, it's very like more mainstream.

SPEAKER_05 28:17

I don't know what fandom I would say has like the most like normal, tolerable fan base. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 28:23

It might be Invincible just because it's like the fucking MCU um crossover of just people.

SPEAKER_08 28:28

Yeah, it's just a good superhero show. Like it just has people enjoy it across. Like there's women at my job that watch it and like you wouldn't know.

SPEAKER_05 28:36

I think Invincible is definitely up there for those.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

What do you I don't have a lot in common with a lot of my nursing colleagues, but shit, like a lot of them watch Invincible.

SPEAKER_05 28:43

Like, yeah, so that's Invincible's a lot bigger than I would expect it to be for the type of show it is, you know what I mean? But the thing is, it's as an adult animated superhero.

SPEAKER_08 28:51

Word of mouth and the story is good. That's what made obsession so good. Word of mouth and a solid story and good acting. And so, like, once you have those two factors, like most adults will like most adults, like 45 plus will write it off because they think it's cartoons, but usually like the 35 undercrowd, they'll give it a shot. Like, there's 35-year-old niggas watching Spider-Verse and shit. Yeah, so like, you know, you it's like it's listen as long as the story is good, and this has one of the best like stories I've ever seen in any type of like fiction show, just straight up, period. Like, I I the only gripe I will ever have is what the fuck happened with Amber. Because it's just like I knew you were a superhero, I knew you were doing all this shit, and I was still acting like a bitch to you. I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck? I'm gonna break out with you because you didn't go to this fucking soup kitchen. He just saved 30 niggas so they could come to your soup kitchen. Yeah, what are we talking about? What are we talking about? That shit pissed me off.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

But like I mean, they wrote her out anyway, so yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_08 29:45

Yeah, they they just straight up next season just made her super supportive. Like, I love you, babe. And I was just like, okay, whatever, sure.

SPEAKER_05 29:51

It feels like it was them kind of trying to take back.

SPEAKER_08 29:53

Yeah, and then she breaks up with them when Anissa just chokes her out.

SPEAKER_05 29:56

And I'm like, instead of having actual character development, they just like made her a worse character instead.

SPEAKER_08 29:59

Yeah, it's like at least have her walk back her own statements in story. Yeah, but like now it's just fun to hate a character, yeah. But I guess they didn't want to because she was black and they're like, oh shit. That's what I'm assuming, because that's just how Hollywood execs thinking.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

I mean, just make the character unlikable and then redeem them or something. They don't like one either.

SPEAKER_08 30:15

That's what's thinking about have the character walk back her own, like, you know, aggressions. Like, I think they're not great at writing Eve either. She's just like, Well, they wrote Eve when they were really young, yeah. So, like, they still have to follow those same beats to some degree. Yeah. So because even they said they didn't know how to use her powers, like, so that's why she just makes walls and she's like, Yeah, she can make anything, but like, how do you not have like she is a plot-winning character? Imagine she's like, all right, conquest, your metal arm is now like the the weight of a fucking thousand sons, and you just can't. Well, for me, it's like every scene.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Well, the show wouldn't be fun.

SPEAKER_08 30:45

Exactly. She like, because think about it, she literally compressed the air around this nigga to stop him from flying. Why didn't she just do that like but like times a billion? And then Invisible just fucking- Because the show wouldn't be fun. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 30:56

For me, it's just like every scene she's in at this point is just there to like console Mark about something. That's like everything.

SPEAKER_02 31:01

That's all season, what are we on, five? Four. That's all season four was.

SPEAKER_08 31:05

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like they're getting worse at writing her.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 31:08

Well, the thing is, like, I don't know too much about the comics, but I do know at a certain point in the story, she gets her own plot line and Invisible gets his own plot line because they they there's a there's a event that happens. But like I guess you're saying that, but it's like I see what you're saying, but it's like they already thought about that because she gets her own arc later on. It's just more of like a build-up.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

Cause I mean, it's not like it's I feel like what they're trying to do is like portray a healthy relationship besides like Mark's absent absence and all that.

SPEAKER_05 31:34

For me, it's just like they rewrote Debbie to be a much more like interesting character. No, Debbie's strongest, but they didn't do that with Eve. You know what I mean? Like they didn't really change the way that she's written at all. They just kind of like changed the way Debbie's written instead.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Debbie, unironically, like top five characters in that show. Yeah, no, easily.

SPEAKER_05 31:49

Yeah, she's like one of the best written characters like on TV right now, easily.

SPEAKER_08 31:54

Nah, imagine being like the one of the most powerful creatures in existence. You still feel like a little bitch to this pet. Yeah. She fucking paused until her knuckles was bleeding. He's just like, I'm gonna leave. It's I'm I'm yeah, I'm just gonna leave.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

The fuck you want him to do, backpender?

SPEAKER_08 32:07

Like, no, no, I'm just saying, imagine like knowing, like, it's like one of those things is like he loves her, yeah. Exactly. It's like realizing that like you spent so long killing things because of emotions or like because you felt like they were weaker than you, and then now putting yourself at the mercy of a weaker being.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

Yeah, and you're at her mercy. She literally can't do anything.

SPEAKER_08 32:25

She literally can't do anything to him. He respects her privacy, he leaves, he has to be. Nothing at her mercy. At her mercy. It's like I mean, whatever you want to call it, but like, you know what I mean? Like, he he at her beck and call. I mean, he does take her to space, she's like, just take my shit, nigga.

SPEAKER_05 32:41

Like it's like, all right. Outside of invincible, do you think there's another fandom of like normal people? I'm trying to think, like, I don't even know there is like one I can think of off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_08 32:52

No, I was gonna say maybe obsession is cultivating a normal fan base, but some of those niggas are weird. Yeah, there's a lot of bear supporters post. Okay, there's a lot of bear supporter supporters post when he bangs her after she goes crazy. No, basically, everyone like there's people who are like, okay, it's not bear's fault until after they went on that dinner date where she's like, no, no, no. And then he and then he has sex with her that very same night. They're like, after that point, he should have known that was wrong because she asked for him to kill him. He's like, What's too bad about being with me, anyways? And I was just like, People still defend him after that point. Yeah, she led him. I was like, Whoa, whoa. Anything before that point, it's like he didn't know magic was real until then.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Dude, it's not her, bro, it's an entity.

SPEAKER_05 33:35

Yeah, but uh I would argue like way before that in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

It's like very clear that he the whole concept is just wrong, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:44

Like everything about it, yeah. Um obsession, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 33:48

Until that point, until I read that commentary, it would just make that face, it's just like bruh.

SPEAKER_05 33:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

All the time because it's it's the fucking internet.

SPEAKER_05 33:54

I was gonna say, like, I don't know, like Peak Game of Thrones, maybe is such like a mainstream thing. Gay? Gay as fuck.

SPEAKER_08 34:03

What? I don't I didn't like them niggas. Why? He's annoyed the fuck because they're just like the fans or the show. They were just like the I've I don't like the show either, if I'm being honest. I don't like both.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

The fans are just like normal, actually normal people. Like everybody watched it. It's like invincible.

SPEAKER_08 34:16

Maybe I've only seen like the worst parts of it. Because they just fucking goon over uh the dragon bitch, and they're talking about the fucking weird people.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

Most people who watch Game of Thrones are. Like, I think Game of Thrones literally the average person that watched that show is probably like 40 or 30. Probably.

SPEAKER_08 34:31

Like okay, that's fair.

SPEAKER_05 34:33

I wish I could say Star Wars fans. No, absolutely not. Definitely not. Star Wars fans are fucking masochists. I wish.

SPEAKER_08 34:40

They're fucking masochists dude. No, hell no. What is the most normal fan base? But that means like invisible fans are still fun. So it would be like normal, but they still have like a sense of humor. Because I was like, you could say the office has a normal fan base, but they're just like white women. They don't have a normal fan base. They don't? No.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Are you serious? Are you so dead ass right now? Because all I see is just like I mean like a normie fan base. Like that's what I'm saying. I hate that word too, but that's what it's a people watching. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 35:05

I guess that's normal. I mean, the office fan base is consisted of the same fan base as like minions memes on Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 35:13

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Why the same moms? It's like the same vibes I get from it.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

It's the millennial version of the minions memes. Yeah. That's literally the office. He's right.

SPEAKER_05 35:20

That's like the best way I can describe it. Like the MCU main.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

Yeah, anything that has millennials involved in it, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_05 35:27

I was gonna say, and the MCU at one point, I think you could say that. Definitely not anymore.

SPEAKER_08 35:30

Oh, during when we were like watching the Fenty War and shit, that was probably the most like mainstream I've always talked about.

SPEAKER_05 35:34

Before that, yes. Anything after that, no. Yeah, like people who are still like our MCU stands and shit are crazy to me. Like, I don't know how you could do that. That's fair. I see people post fucking Wanda fan cams and shit still to this day. It's ridiculous. Does Superman have a normal fan base?

SPEAKER_02 35:51

I would assume they do. You know, I was gonna say Batman. You know what? Superman and Batman have really wholesome fan bases. Yeah, like those are good people.

SPEAKER_05 35:57

Okay, I think Spider-Man's fan base is terrible. I think Spider-Man's gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_08 36:00

They love watching Spider-Man torture porn, and I'll never understand that. I just we need him to suffer more, kill all his girlfriends and his children, and then the baby's homeless.

SPEAKER_05 36:10

Yeah. Well, Spider-Man, and I see like a lot of them send like death threats and shit to comic writers and shit all the time. Like, why is Paul not alive yet? Yeah, or Paul dead, yeah. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, a lot of them will like deadass and like death threats. Yeah, those are very poorly written comics, but death threats are crazy. I think Transformers also has a pretty normal fan base.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

You know what?

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Okay, I don't know. Because I feel like half of them are like fucking 60-year-olds that are like uh what do you call it, like nostalgia tripping? Yeah, yeah. And that's weird. I don't know. But I feel like it's weird to nostalgia tripping. I feel like a 20 or 30 year old Transformers fan, some of the coolest people that were fucking meeting. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 36:46

Like it's like why is like nostalgia tripping weird though?

SPEAKER_02 36:49

I mean, it's like a thing you enjoyed when you were like Dude, you were like eight and like I don't know. Can't enjoy shit when I'm I don't know, it just feels weird because I can't enjoy it. Well, it's also the same people where it's like if it's not G1, they're gonna write it off and call it slop. I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 37:01

Okay, that's different. Like that's yeah. I thought you meant like they enjoy all the media still to this day, but they you know, they have a special place with like you know, the G1 in their heart.

SPEAKER_05 37:08

I would argue that Ninja Turtles fans are actually a lot more normal than Transformers. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I didn't think about that, but you're probably right. I only thought about it because they just announced a new game, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

Well, people who like Ninja Turtles like all the Ninja Turtles, like every generation of Ninja Turtles, think it's fucking cool.

SPEAKER_05 37:22

Yeah, like a lot of them talk about that shit all the time. Like, yo, uh my favorite is like Rise Donatello with like 2012 Leonardo, like shit like that. I see that type of thing a lot. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

It's a really good answer.

SPEAKER_05 37:32

Yeah. Because I was thinking about that when I saw the um the last Ronin that just got announced the other day.

SPEAKER_08 37:38

And I just saw a movie game.

SPEAKER_05 37:40

And it was like unanimously positive. Like everyone's like, dude, this is fucking awesome. This is great, awesome, yeah. And it's like a fucking ounce of negativity about that shit at all. You have a good fan. I want to say Gravity Falls, but there's some weird niggas in Kevin. House MD. Probably not, Darren.

SPEAKER_08 37:57

I think so. I hate to break it. You probably did you try the medicine drug? Yeah, of course I've tried the medicine drug. Did you try this drug? And then he just shoots him with Kenem. I've seen some of those TikToks, Darren. I don't think so. Yeah, no, those niggas are weird.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

It's it's the Invincible Wobble Edit if it was an entire fan game.

SPEAKER_07 38:11

Yeah, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 38:12

And definitely not Gravity Falls either. I wish though. I really wish Gravity Falls has another one. I don't think any children's show would count.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

Challenge. Find one that is.

SPEAKER_05 38:20

I think regular show. I was gonna say I think regular show is normal.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

He's right. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:26

A lot more than like adventure time and shit.

SPEAKER_08 38:27

Adventure time is not. Adventure time and circus kind of overlap in certain areas.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Some of the fans overlap.

SPEAKER_08 38:33

Yeah, exactly. No, I agree. Yeah, 100%. I think, yeah, probably regular show has probably the most like normal, like they invincible Invincible fans and regular show fans try to find spot the difference. They're like one of the same. Exactly. Like they're almost exactly the same.

SPEAKER_05 38:46

It's because regular show is fucking awesome. Everyone loves regular show.

SPEAKER_08 38:49

I haven't watched that. That's like American Dad.

SPEAKER_05 38:52

I think American Dad overlaps with that a lot too. Are there cringe American Dad fans? I don't think so. There's a lot of cringe family guy fans, but not American Dad. No, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Well, American Dad is just genuinely good. I think a lot of in the episodes aren't just like slot posting.

SPEAKER_05 39:08

Because I see that type of thing a lot. That and like Ted fans. I haven't seen enough of Ted to know.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

I've only seen the clips from the new Ted season, and I actually kind of want to watch it because it looks funny as fuck.

SPEAKER_05 39:17

But I like Ted fans a lot, like seeing them talk about the show. They're just so like positive. There's guys talking about the shit. It's like American Dad fans. It's kind of the same type of thing.

SPEAKER_08 39:27

Okay. This might be a hot take, but I don't really see a lot of cringy Avatar the Last Airbender fans. But I don't agree. I haven't seen them, so I'm asking if you guys have seen some and like what are your experiences with them? Because I haven't personally. That's why I wanted to say something. Because I haven't seen them.

SPEAKER_05 39:42

Avatar fans will post around the leak, spread it everywhere, knowing it's gonna make the avatar shit that they want to come out not ever come out, and then whine about it not coming out.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

I mean, honestly, with like when I I don't know, I don't know how to say this without sounding stupid, but it's like the average Avatar fan is like the average anime fan, you know?

SPEAKER_08 40:07

I kind of get where you're coming from. Like anime slot, like they watch JJ. Anime slop, like slot.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

Like normies, like JJK, One Piece, it's whatever's package. Like, I'm just saying, like, I don't know. I feel like any stereotype you make fun of like anime fans for liking or like doing is the same shit. Yeah, it's the same shit you can apply to Avatar.

SPEAKER_05 40:27

I think Avatar has a lot of like elitism too, or a lot of a relay. Yeah, we'll see that.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

This is the best western cartoon.

SPEAKER_05 40:34

Yeah, well, they'll be like getting to arguments about like the fucking whether or not this actually counts as anime or not. Like shit like that. Oh, that shit. That type of stuff. And it's like they want to be accepted by the anime community when they're just to be a Western group as well. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like shit like that. They're like, no, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

But I feel like people who like Avatar also like anime and like vice versa. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 40:55

Like it's I think so, but is that not necessarily I mean, I'm pretty sure Vincible fans watch anime. Oh, like what are you trying to say when you say that?

SPEAKER_02 41:00

Just like they're like cringier, like they do like I'm trying to say that I think of Avatar the Last Air Air Brender as an anime. So therefore, like it they're just they just blend.

SPEAKER_05 41:07

Yeah, so okay. So anything.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

Yeah, if you're one of those Avatar fans that don't think it's anime, whatever the fuck, you crucify me, but like Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:14

There's very few anime that I'd say probably have like a normal fan base shit on it.

SPEAKER_08 41:19

Most of them are at the very least a little weird. I think JJK is probably more on the normal, I can't even say it anymore. I was gonna say like at first it was normal when it first came out, it was pretty normal, but then you have like the the fucking dick waving or dick measuring power scalers. You have the weird, cringy, I want to fuck this character niggas. I'm just like, please stop. Death Note fans?

SPEAKER_05 41:38

Those are the fucking those are digital circus fans. Are they? I was gonna say unironically, I think One Piece fans might be up there with normies or like a cringe, like being like good, like being a good fan base, honestly. I haven't seen too much about One Piece, but most of them are too hard.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

Yeah, exactly. The entire One Piece fandom is dude, it's peak. Just watch your bro, it's peak. Just get to episode 200, bro. It's peak. 200,000. That's the entire that's the entire conversation you will ever have with.

SPEAKER_05 42:05

Well, honestly, I'll say this they don't have to gatekeep because they have that shit like built into their fandom just because it takes so long to get into One Piece. Yeah, you don't have to get you don't have to gatekeep. There's no gatekeeping.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

The gatekeeping is you skipping filler. There's skipping episodes.

SPEAKER_05 42:18

They're sitting there begging you to watch. They're doing the opposite.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

Watch the gum gum dum dum cherry drummer.

SPEAKER_05 42:28

In one sitting, even One Piece memes are fucking hilarious. That shit's up there. Okay, they are. Those are like invincible randomies. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think like One Piece is definitely up there.

SPEAKER_08 42:36

I've only ever seen this is so bad I can die. Or this is so bad I love it or this is so good, I love it.

SPEAKER_05 42:41

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 42:42

That type of shit all the time.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

One piece is really good.

SPEAKER_05 42:47

Yeah, that type of shit. Like chopper games. Dragon Ball fans suck. Naruto fans suck. Yep, yep. I co-sign both. Jojo fans suck.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Those niggas are crazy. I don't know. I think a Jojo fans is like the house MD Invincible Wobble Edit people. I think they're worse. Really?

SPEAKER_08 43:03

As a Jojo fan, there's so much worse. A little bit worse. I've seen some like fucking Jojo Ros shit. I'm like, what the fuck are these? Baki fans are amazing. Yeah, okay. Baki found the initial. He found the inns.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Baki fans are amazing. Yeah, Baki fans are literally just like gym bros, but not the not but not the cringe type of gym bros. Like the goofy. The gym bros you see at the gym who like tell you what you're doing wrong but are assholes about it. Yeah, they're just like good cool people you talk to at the gym. That's the average Baki fan.

SPEAKER_05 43:29

They're so fucking funny. I feel like Jojo and Baki are like kind of the same thing, but on opposite ends of the spectrum where one is just super fucking gay and the other's just super fucking straight. Super fucking masculine, where it's like super masculine.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Yeah, Baki's the answer to your question in my anime.

SPEAKER_08 43:42

Yeah, I think I think Baki is a fairy. I fucking love Baki music. Always make it because it's just close from the cell. That's the best place to fucking sell. Some black guy is just like, I'm going to put the air between your thighs and explodes your news.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

I gotta watch that show. I really do.

SPEAKER_05 43:57

Yeah, I've been thinking about it recently too because they're they're adding. Dad attack in. I did see that. Yes, that is dad attack.

SPEAKER_08 44:02

That's a really good pick. I'm very glad they picked that. That was so fucking funny. Cause he's gonna be throwing hands with Kazuya, Kazuma, and uh Hiro. What's the fucking what's the H guy he taught the outchishi? Heihachi.

SPEAKER_05 44:13

Yeah, it's just little weird. Him and Heihachi are like very similar characters.

SPEAKER_08 44:17

That's gonna be so fun.

SPEAKER_05 44:18

God. Um other than that, I mean, I don't really know if there's anything.

SPEAKER_08 44:21

Oh, video game fandoms. I feel like that also applies. I like the God of War fans.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

I don't they're like the same in Game of Thrones fans where it's like they're the they're fucking 30-year-olds on average, I feel like. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 44:32

No, they're just show people. I like the new trailer they dropped for uh.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

So I guess yeah, they are normal.

SPEAKER_05 44:36

Yeah, yeah. I think it's hard to find ones that are actually like normal. Really?

SPEAKER_02 44:42

For games, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 44:43

For games, I think it's easier than TV shows.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

No, I think it's easier for games. I mean, it's easier for TV shows.

SPEAKER_08 44:47

Yeah, absolutely, yeah. What's the critical? Like, give me the the top cringiest game, like the top most Sonic Smash. Sonic, Smash, Fortnite.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

But Sonic is, yeah, Sonic Minecraft.

SPEAKER_08 44:58

Sonic is that I mean, I can't why, dude. I enjoy those games, but those niggas be making the weirdest fucking Sonic OCs and be doing these really cringe.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Yeah, like they're all like half of them are just fucking autistic.

SPEAKER_08 45:09

Yeah, Counter-Strike. Counter Strike League of Legends, Call of Duty Counter-Strike. I I only know gambling. I only know gambling and it's really hard to play.

unknown 45:18

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 45:19

It doesn't have to be crane. I'm not saying cringe, I'm just saying bad fandoms in general. I don't know if being toxic is like the big copy.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

That is a terrible fandom. I would say Call of Duty's an awful fandom, too. Yeah. They're all like they're all just fucking racist. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 45:30

I guess that's it. CSGO in particular is like really maybe I just grew up playing too much cop, but like the racism does like that just feels like it's part of Cobb's identity. That's what I'm saying. It feels like it's part of the identity.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

Yeah, I like cops, but I'm also not gonna Yeah, the payment is. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 45:45

Get no scope, nigga. That's why like that's basically what it is.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

But yeah, that is Cobb's identity, and like I find it funny, but like that's a terrible fandom.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, you got it.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

I'm not a part of that, but like I can I can look from the outside and be like, damn, those people suck. The zombies have such a cool community.

SPEAKER_05 46:02

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

He's right. He's right.

SPEAKER_05 46:05

I can I can see zombies as his own separate as a whole.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

COD COD zombies and COD, COD campaign and zombies players versus COD multiplayer. Thing is, though, like 90% of COD players only play the multiplayer. Yeah, that's what they're doing. And like the other 10% are your like campaign veteran people and then zombies. And those people are chill as fuck.

SPEAKER_08 46:23

But like they're not the average zombies, people are the most helpful motherfuckers we've ever gained in the game. They're like, you have to do this, grab this part, go here. I'm like, oh.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

We're going for rounds? Dude, cool. We're going for Easter eggs, dude, cool. Hey. First time, dude, cool.

SPEAKER_05 46:37

I think the issue is there's too much overlap with like the multiplayer like fan base, you know what I mean? Like, I think that kind of sweats into it a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

I don't think there's any overlap because like you'll find people who really fuck with the campaigns and replay them all the time on veteran. Find zombies players who have been like every single Easter egg, they play they only play zombies. Yeah, yeah. And then multiplayer is just like the fucking like the 82 room temperature IQ fucking chocolateites that say racist shit all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 47:02

Oh, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

They play the same game every year.

SPEAKER_08 47:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Literally the same game. Nothing changes.

SPEAKER_08 47:08

I think like low-key, this is gonna sound weird, but I think Advanced Warfare was one of my favorite COD games. That and fucking uh Ghost.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

Uh I had one of the best campaigns, in my opinion. Ghost was really cool. It's a good like one-off campaign. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 47:18

Like honestly, a lot of their flop games felt more fun than the mainline COD games.

SPEAKER_02 47:23

Kevin Spacey is like a pedophile and a piece of shit, but damn, him in Advanced Warfare.

SPEAKER_08 47:28

Who did he voice in Advanced Warfare?

SPEAKER_02 47:29

He was the fucking main antagonist in Advanced Warfare.

SPEAKER_08 47:31

I I I didn't know. Wasn't like the president?

SPEAKER_02 47:34

No, he was um he was the CEO of the Atlas Corporation. I remember Atlas World's Arm Dealers, but also the number one uh mil like like private owned militia in the world. And like governments would hire them to like fight their wars. And um they got to a point where they made a super weapon that can literally is more powerful than an atomic bomb. Yeah, I forgot what it was, but they were like, Are we developing such a weapon? Some kind of a dead star. We already have it. Um that's kind of fire. That's okay. And then he takes over the world, and it's yeah. He doesn't take over the world, but it's he tries to take over America, and then your character like switches size. Gotcha, gotcha. Have you seen the trailer for Modern Warfare 4? The Korean Call of Duty was also not on my 26 bingo card. Korean? Yeah, like the game takes place with a when the Korean War like picks up again. Like, like it's it's like, you know, 2026.

SPEAKER_05 48:23

Why is it called Modern Warfare?

SPEAKER_02 48:24

2024, 2025. Like, because the Korean war never ended. It's stalemate. This is when the Korean war like starts again. Oh, is it stalemate?

SPEAKER_08 48:30

What?

SPEAKER_02 48:30

I didn't know I don't know. The Korean war never ended. It's I didn't know that was. It's like the world's longest ceasefire or something. Oh what the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 48:36

Actually, you didn't know that. Well, I don't know if the world's longest.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

The modern history's longest ceasefire. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that. But um, yeah, so like it's what what if it becomes hot again and North Korea invades the South and there's a war and everything.

SPEAKER_05 48:48

So that's what we've technically been at war with North Korea this entire time, but they just didn't do anything. So it's a ceasefire, I guess.

SPEAKER_08 48:54

I didn't I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't I thought it was just like as soon as China.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

Well, I think the US called it a victory, but to South Korea and North Korea, it's still a ceasefire. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 49:03

That makes sense. Okay. Yeah. I mean, to the people that live there, of course, their war's not. America's like, we're good on. We won. So is it gonna be you all going?

SPEAKER_02 49:09

No, because like a lot of our military bases are in South Korea and the Asian front for that reason. Yeah. So gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 49:16

So is it gonna be like the interview where they just go and like assassinate Kim Jong-un or something?

SPEAKER_02 49:20

No, like uh from the trailer, you you actually play as like a um like our our age, like uh because you know how Korea has like a retired required military.

SPEAKER_05 49:28

Like 22, 21, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

Yeah, you're playing as like 20-year-olds and a squad.

SPEAKER_05 49:32

So you're like actually part of the Korean military then?

SPEAKER_02 49:34

Yes, but you're also with American. There's like a bit for Koreans.

SPEAKER_05 49:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:38

Um so that's half the campaign. The other half of the campaign picks up on whatever the fuck modern warfare what was the last one? Three three, like the reboot left off on. I don't pay, I don't really pay attention to this the reboot story, but it's like with Captain Price and they're in Britain and stuff. I don't know, I don't know how the fuck it really is. I didn't know they reboot it. The Korea stuff excited me.

SPEAKER_08 49:54

I was like, this looks sick, but they rebooted it in 2018. Was that the remastered or a different thing?

SPEAKER_02 49:58

No, it was like it was modern warfare just 2019 or whatever.

SPEAKER_08 50:02

Yeah, that game was good, but um, I played the I played the second one. I didn't play the first one store. I played the second and third one though the store for my.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

The first one had a really good story. It was like um have you seen the game? It's like the really realistic shooter uh fuck. It's like a body cam. No, it's like a body cam. I know what you're doing. And it looks real, yeah. It's kind of like that before that, where you were playing like a footage? Yeah, there's literally a mission where you're doing a um sweep of a house in the Middle East, and um there's it's like you know, you have the night vision on. It's like a classic like COD 4 moment. You're like sweeping this house, checking corners and shit. And then there's like um people being held hostage, and you have to shoot the guys where they shoot the, you know, but you're saying yourself like that. And then you're following like this one woman, right? You follow her upstairs, she's leading you to like more bad guys or whatever. She, you know, turns around, picks up her baby from the crib. It's not a baby, it's a fucking AK-47. You have to shoot this woman. So that was a cool fucking story. There's a mission where you are a like six-year-old girl and they realized there's like chemical warfare in the Middle East, like some city, and you have to like crawl through fucking shit without getting played.

SPEAKER_08 51:12

Where do we get rid of Qaddafi? Because they did chemical warfare on their people. That might have been the same analogy because that was maybe Afghanistan or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

I also like that Call of Duty is finally picking a different antagonist that isn't just Russia or like a Russia. And then it or or it's like a group that's based in Russia. Or it's like or they call themselves something like, oh, like, yeah, Spetsnaz, or you know, it's supposed to be Russian, but not you can't call it Russian, but yeah, they're just straight up going like, yeah, the main antagonist is North Korea, you know.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:43

I'm surprised they're not like upset about that.

SPEAKER_02 51:45

They probably are, but it's not gonna sell in North Korea anyway. Who gives a shit? Yeah. And like I'm saying, like, they can't make China the antagonist because Call of Duty is actually really popular in China. Really? Like they have their own Call of Duty in China. If there's Chinese Call of Duty, it's like online. Well, yeah, they have tournaments, but it's like an online MMO kind of thing where it's free to play. It's Call of Duty, but Fortnite. That is Chinese Call of Duty. It's like a live service that's been around for like 10 years, but there's just so many fucking skins and most games have like their own short version of the club. They have like their own really strictly. They have like their own maps, but also like maps from like you could play shipment, Nuketown, Rust? Rust, yeah, Rust, uh Terminal? Terminal. Those are all modern worker maps. Like basically, you could play all the Infinity Ward and Trey Arc maps in the same game. Like, you know, it's it's like the Call of Duty multiplayer experience. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 52:33

Um, you can buy Activision, but they let China make their own modifications to it. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

But that game makes like a shit ton of money, so they don't want to piss them off by making them the next antagonist in their COD game.

SPEAKER_08 52:43

That would be so fucking fun. Makes sense. Not surprised.

SPEAKER_02 52:46

That's like every movie and developer.

SPEAKER_08 52:48

So American Genshin is what we have in China.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Yeah, yeah. Literally, it's American Genshin, you're right.

SPEAKER_05 52:54

Genshin, but with everyone having like fucking AK-47s and shit. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

Well, it's Russian, but like, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:59

No anime girls here, bro. Just fucking Glocks and Steel. It's COD, they have anime girls now at this point. They do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

Yeah, like on the guns and stuff, you'll have like anime waifus when you like. It's the same thing they carry over to the main games.

SPEAKER_05 53:12

Yeah. I don't know than that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Like you can also play as Ice Vice.

SPEAKER_08 53:15

Are Mario fans normal? That's fair. Are Mario fans normal? No. No. No, fuck Mario. Mario Song both have weird fans. I I could take that L then. Maybe Zelda fans?

SPEAKER_02 53:23

Bro, have you ever seen the picture of like pregnant Mario?

SPEAKER_08 53:25

I don't know about Zelda fans. They LARP a little too hard for some of their shit. They LARP? What do you mean? I don't know. They just like they say like the I don't know they just like they're just saying buzzwords. No, no, I'm not I'm not saying buzzwords. I mean by LARP, I've read like Zelda subreddits where like they have weird descriptions for like what they think Zelda shit. Like they're like That's literally not what LARPing is, but yeah, go like they they're like if I was Link, I would do it.

SPEAKER_05 53:49

Why are you browsing Legend of Zelda subreddit?

SPEAKER_08 53:51

I just scroll through Reddit, bro. I don't know. What?

SPEAKER_05 53:54

You just scroll Reddit, like just Reddit by itself.

SPEAKER_08 53:57

Sometimes I read it Doom Scroll. I will not hold you, bro. Okay. And I'll just whatever.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

I will go on like a specific community in Doom Scroll. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 54:04

I've never just gone on the Reddit. I'll just scroll down. Cause like you know that it uses the thing like hey, you went you visit it here before scroll.

SPEAKER_05 54:11

Well yeah, I think that damn well might be worse than TikTok, dude. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

But Doom Scroll, but I think when I go to Reddit, it's because I'm looking for a specific thing and I just look at the subreddit. Nope.

SPEAKER_08 54:19

I'll just Reddit, Doom Scroll, see what the where the wind takes me.

SPEAKER_05 54:22

Like, of course, I'll check out like certain like I think the Reddit fan base might be one of the worst ones on the case. You're right. You're so right. Yes, yes, like the subject.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

Yes, that's a whole like yes, Redditors are literally a subgroup of people. You describe a weird fucking person by calling them a Redditor. Like, yeah, it's it's a bad community.

SPEAKER_05 54:40

You say like Redditors or Discord mods? It was like the two. Okay, that's fair. That's fair, that's fair. You said Twitter. Like it's Twitter, Twitter's like terrible. It's a social media platform. That's why I was like, I don't even know if you can really say it. I think Twitter's got a lot of like sub fandom, you know what I mean? Like subgroups on there. Like black Twitter is very different from like Twitter and shit. Like you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 55:03

Yeah, Asian Twitter is interesting.

SPEAKER_02 55:07

Did you see the new translate feature they have?

SPEAKER_08 55:09

Yeah, Japanese people racist. So they're a black guy moves in there, but I don't feel safe anymore. And all the Japanese people are like, I don't I agree, I agree. And the Americans like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 55:18

Yeah, I was at a party on Sunday, and there's this black guy, a friend of mine talking about.

SPEAKER_08 55:23

Is it an all-Asian party with one nigga there? No, okay, okay. I was asked, could you bring up the whole Japanese thing and the Asian stuff? I was like, are you bringing up an analogy? Like a black guy went to an Asian party, and like he just everyone was just having a. Not relevant. Stop talking.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

Okay, my there was a party with a diverse group of people. Right? There was me, there's like a Vietnamese guy, there's a white people, there's a black, a couple black guys, like, I don't know. A diverse party, Alfonso. Okay, okay. Because it's the fucking 21st century.

unknown 55:49

Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

He was saying how he went to Japan twice. And he was gonna go a third time. And we were all dogging on him, like, dude, you're gonna visit literally anywhere else.

SPEAKER_03 55:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

Um, but anyway, he was like, Yeah, bro, Japanese people love me. He was like, Yeah, like occasionally I'll have a couple people who were like, You should leave, you should go. But everybody else is like great to me. And I was sitting there, I was like, dude, you have not seen Japanese Twitter. No, and we started browsing it. Yeah, just really racist. No. Okay, he just goes there. No, he knows a little bit because he'd like just traveled there a bit, but I got you, I got you. I wouldn't say he's fluent.

SPEAKER_08 56:23

Well, that's fair. A couple just leave. Like, I I can't, I can't, I mean, because we do it here. Like, you see like those alt-right niggas who are like, get out of our country, yeah, we're we're but it's like it's it's weirder when you see that in America when you know what America is, but like when you go to just like a monoculture country, yeah, those niggas say leave. I feel like it's like get out. He's like, I gotta go. That's a threat. Exactly. It's like it's all of them versus me.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

My friend, he said the only people who ever said that to him were like fucking 80-year-olds.

SPEAKER_05 56:51

Oh, I mean, that's usually how it is here, too. So I'm not really surprised.

SPEAKER_02 56:55

It's not anymore, but um there's a lot of different people that say that stuff now.

SPEAKER_08 56:59

But uh, you got Nick Fuentes's.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

Yeah, because everybody else who actually like owned a business or something was really nice to him because Americans got money.

SPEAKER_08 57:05

Yeah. Um so do they really like him? Do they just like the fact that he came from actually?

SPEAKER_02 57:08

Well, we also talked about that. We're all like, bro, they don't like you. They like your pockets, but um Maybe they did like him. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not I wasn't there. I'm not gonna say like I I want to think they liked him. I like to I like to think they like tourists, yeah, considering it's like a large part of their.

SPEAKER_08 57:21

They just start hating tourists now because they they they hate they hate the Chinese, bro.

SPEAKER_02 57:25

It depends on where you go. Because like there are tourists who fucking ruin like really iconic sites like Melbourne, and it's a lot of people. Shrines and shit, yeah. But if you go to like, you know, Tokyo or something. But not Tokyo. I I guess, yeah, Tokyo, or like some other smaller cities like Kyoto or like um Shanghai. Tourist tourist places, but not like you know, places every like you know, the city.

SPEAKER_08 57:45

Like Hokkaido is like an unknown tourist by the potatoes and fried foods and shit.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

Yeah, he also went to some cities I don't know the name of that weren't like popular tourist destinations. Those people were really nice to him.

SPEAKER_08 57:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

Because they don't have bad experiences with tourists, because not a lot of tourists go there.

SPEAKER_08 57:58

No, then that makes sense. Yeah. But I just I just remember like looking because I was on Asian Twitter, they fucking hate the Chinese, bro. Now the Chinese do some crazy shit, which is such a weird thing. Like, just like the culture divide between like the right across the door. That's like us being like, what the fuck is Cuba? Like you know what I mean? Like, that's like the same level of like how Japanese treat Chinese people.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

I was gonna say, you know how like South Americans hate the United States and they hate and like get Cuba hates the United States and like shit like that. That's literally how every single Asian country feels about China. It's the exact same thing. Like they're the imperialistic ones right now. Like you always hate the house.

SPEAKER_08 58:33

Well, China only started revolution in the 60s.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

It was Japan for a majority of like the 1900s, but you know, like the 1980s or something, they started lacking behind, and that's when China switched to a market economy and became one of like the moral's more dominant. Well, that was after that. That they realized communism doesn't work, but and then they switched to a market economy.

SPEAKER_05 58:52

So Tiananmen Square.

SPEAKER_02 58:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 58:54

I remember that one. Dude, they didn't have I read about Tiananmen Square and Death. That shit was like actually crazy and kind of heartbreaking at certain point.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

I saw like a panned-out photo of Tiananmen Square. Like, you see the tank man photo of like the three tanks lined up, dude. It was fucking like 25 or 30 lined up behind those. Really? It was like there was a fuck ton of tanks. That's crazy. Yeah. And I that never happened though. Like, at like the Photoshop, there was an AI and it expanded.

SPEAKER_08 59:18

Yeah, yeah. But like it's so crazy when you hear the accounts, like, because there's still people alive from Tiananmen Square today. Like the student protesters that got arrested, like two of them fled, one of them stayed. The real the one that stayed, I was like, damn, that's some gangster shit, bro. He was like, I'm not, like, I stood for this movement, I'm not leaving. So they just arrested him for the rest of his life. But like, they were literally hearing bullets and like bombs go off. It was like, we're the government, we're here to help. But I was like, that's the most fucking dystopian shit to ever hear in the 90s. We're the government, we're here to help. They're just fucking mowing people down. Like that was that's China. I don't know. That's the government. This is a crazy thing that's just like, you know, that's just crazy. That was like a wild thing. I was like, well.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

Unfortunately, that's almost never a crazy one here.

SPEAKER_08 59:56

But like that fact that like the government were here to help you. Yeah, it's never a true thing. But you hear about that, like you hear about that joked about for America, and then you read, like, no, they actually just pulled that play out of their pocketbook as like, yeah. These are bullets of freedom. Like, like yeah, it was fucking crazy, man. Killing a bunch of unarmed college students. College students who were like, you guys are using nepotism to fuck us over. We don't like this. Yep. They were fighting against nepotism and they got killed. It's not funny, but it's just really fucked. Like when you think about it. Like a whole bunch of 18 to 20 years are like, yeah, you guys just keep giving your job.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

Yeah, and Americans just like watch that on live TV. Like, imagine like a time, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:35

Like shit was crazy, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:38

But I mean, even now, like I feel like shit like that isn't like broadcasted anymore. I mean, maybe it hasn't happened to that extent a lot. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:47

I mean, they talked about it during Milan, but they kind of kept it in the streets when they were doing the whole like Muslim Uger thing in China.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

And then we had Well, that was literally like in the fucking desert, like the Gobi Desert.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:56

Yeah, they just took a bunch of like the hundreds or tens of thousands people to the desert, or hundreds of thousands.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

By the way, um, as far back as like 2019, there were US satellite photos from like the Gobi Desert of just like literal one-to-one recreations of Taiwan's capital city just in the desert.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:12

Oh, they are war gaming the fuck out of that place. Yeah, they're war gaming the fuck out of that place. Like, we're gonna letting that shit go, bro. You know, they're just practicing their like arts and crafts and stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:22

They're fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

Yeah, we could build a city just as good as this.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:24

Yeah, that's they're they're it's an homage to them. They're trying to sit there and like, you know, make their mark, be like, wow, Taiwan's really good at building cities. Let's do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:32

Because was it during the revolution those guys made Taiwan or was it before the um like the revolution like in the 30s, you mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:40

Or the 40s?

SPEAKER_08 1:01:41

That was in the 30s or 40s. Was that when okay, yeah, yeah, yeah?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:45

That's where all the people who are fighting for like the democratic republic or whatever fled when they lost the mainland. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:52

I got like a really weird question for y'all. I was I was doing some research like a week ago or some shit, right? How would y'all feel if we just like pulled together like a couple billion dollars? Like when I say us, I mean like you know, the country or whatever, and just build like the world's like tallest skyscraper by like a fucking like two miles. So why do the bird well what space starts really close actually?

SPEAKER_08 1:02:13

So you want to build like a space tower?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

I mean we could. I don't see why not. I mean, how much could each person contribute? Like, yeah, you're talking about like a billion dollars. What would be the purpose of 350 million US citizens? There's like a lot of fucking money each person's paying.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:30

Yeah, I mean it could be, but we're making the Tower of Babylon for like more than taxes, I think. Yeah, it would be a lot of different like ways to fund it or whatever. Wait, what are you saying? So we're making the Tower of Babylon for shits and Googles? I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:43

Because it'd be cool. Wait, can I see your calculator out?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:45

Yeah, yeah, I got it. And then like, you know, like housing, you know, you could do that. Think about how many, like how much office building space you could put in there. You know, think about you know, like how much how many solar panels could fit on that building. Um just slap a bunch of things. There's there's lots of uses you could have on there. It could have a mall in there, it could have a Dave and Busters and a Chucky Tab. They already do that in China and Japan. You're talking about like one of those vertical, like a vertical city? Yeah, but I was talking about one that's like taller than ever. Like just like a massive one.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:18

So a city tower.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like bigger, you know what I mean? Like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

That's like that's like that's like fucking three bucks and fifty cents a person.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:28

Yeah, yeah, see? No, I'm just curious, because there's been like actual proposals and shit that people have made that cost like multi-billions and billions and billions of dollars for like shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

Do you know how much it costs to do the Artemis launch per US citizen? How much? Like 16 bucks. Damn.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:42

That's not bad. That's 16 bucks per use. There's 350 million of us. That's pretty expensive. Imagine the government says just give me 16 dollars right now. You're like, fuck you. For to go to the moon? I'm not going. That would do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

Wait, how much you say?

SPEAKER_08 1:03:55

16 bucks a person? I'll say that's that that's I'm not giving you 16 bucks.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

What? To go to the moon?

SPEAKER_08 1:04:00

I'm not going. So fuck you. If I get to go, I'll fuck you.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:07

Bro's holding back space travel because he is personally offended.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:10

You said that seemed like we're about to agree with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:13

No.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:15

I don't care. I'm standing on that one. Like, I'm not giving you 16 bucks if I can't go.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:19

I'm not going.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:24

Okay. So if you take me out of the equation, then it's like an one fucking picometer of a penny per person. So like it doesn't really matter.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

Yeah, dude, you that's one in three of us. Put that on a national scale. Like, fuck, we're not going to the. Like, what the fuck in one year we haven't been there and it's been 60. We got fucking people like you.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:42

Where are you taking me? It's like shit. But you're you'd be helping out humanity. Just holding it. What?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:47

Look at a rock? This guy's holding back his race, dude. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:49

We we could have a colony. I'm holding back more than just one. We could have a colony on the moon. The human race. The only race, dude. We could have a colony on the moon. Imagine that. Do what? Go ahead and lighten me. Have a colony. Like have people. It's gonna serve as a stop.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:02

We won't fix the problems here, but it's a stop between like Earth and Mars, too. In other space, because it's much easier to launch a space shuttle off of the moon than it is to like launch off of Earth. It'd save a lot of fuel for going like Mar like Earth to Mars.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:16

Powerful that you do. What are we doing on Mars? This is the next question. So why can't we fix the problems here? Why are we going to Mars? Why can't we? Why can't we?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

Why have one planet when you can have two? Like, what the fuck is what are you doing?

SPEAKER_08 1:05:27

Why have one shitty planet when you can have two shitty planets? It's still better than one shitty planet. I'd rather just fix the shitty planet. So what would you donate $16 to to fix the shitty planet? Uh solar panels and more water rejuvenation.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:40

This guy said solar panels.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:44

I know your ass ain't fucking contributing to solar panels, bro. Hey man. China has like fucking crazy solar panels in the ocean, though. Like, shout out to them. They just fucking, I mean, the fish hate it, but like I'm I know your ass isn't contributing shit to solar panels.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Panels. Why don't we like you know how we have like a shit ton of parking spaces? Let's put solar panels like on top of those. Like a lot of people. I wouldn't be mad at that, honestly. No, because your roof so my car doesn't get fucked up in green.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:10

Yeah, yeah, in other countries, a lot of the time they do that type of thing, actually.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:13

That's smart. Why don't we do that? Because like it's my parking lot on my private property, and I'm not gonna.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

Because solar is for the woke, bro. You gotta use oil and coal.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:20

I feel like after liberals, after a certain point, I feel like it should be like mandated that you have solar panel roofs.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:26

Honestly, why not?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:26

I mean, like I feel like it should just be. I don't see why not. But then you're just helping the data soldiers out though at that point. You're helping yourself out too. You're lowering your energy costs. True, true. If every house out there has solar panel roofs after a certain like I said, it wouldn't happen anytime soon, but like in the future.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:43

I don't think maintenance and like when it breaks down, they would be really shit, but I I could be wrong. I just I know they're pretty expensive to fix. Is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:50

I mean, they get cheaper because you'd have like more people in that field who can do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:53

Yeah. I guess. New career. And it is harder to get into all that stuff. I don't know if I told you. I tried to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

I mean, a lot of that is people also like scam you with that shit too. So you gotta, you know, be careful.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:03

Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:04

Dude, like when I was a sophomore, I went to a party like around my campus, right? And then there's this dude who was like fucking drunk off of his ass, and he was like, dude, are you Asian? He's like, dude, y'all are really good at selling solar panels.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:20

That's like the best compliment I've ever heard. I was like, cool, I'm not in the market for solar panels, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:25

He was like, dude, you should get into it. He's like, you'd be really good at you.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:28

Like, trust me.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:29

Like, just because you're Asian, you'd be really good at it. I was like, what, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:32

Dude, you have a very solar panel face.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:34

So I was like, so you sell solar panels? Like, yeah, dude, I sell people solar panels. That's like my sidekick right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:39

You caught me at a very solar panel time.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:43

And I'm telling you, but if you get involved, you do it. Sounds sketchy as fuck. It just I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:47

Yeah, it sounds like he's trying to get you to buy fucking solar.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:49

It was at our apartment complex. I walked around our apartment complex, walking to a random place because they're having a party, and then you started talking to me about solar panels. Like, dude, I live here.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:57

I don't own a I don't own a house. Sorry. Dude, that sucks. That's a lot of missed potential.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:03

Your your your energy bill could be so much lower, brah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:06

I don't know, but like imagine we had like a building that was just like obscenely tall.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:12

I mean, that's what Saudi Arabia already did with the Burrs Khalifa. And like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:15

It doesn't have plumbing. That's not even it doesn't have plumbing. It doesn't have plumbing. Where are you shit? The basement. Well, like the building has plumbing, but it doesn't connect to the city's plumbing system. So all of the septic stuff goes to like the bottom floor, and then they have to have like like 15 trucks every morning just come in, take the sewage and just take like the poop trucks come in. I'm not even lying. You can look it up. Like there's just like a fucking line of trucks that come, like pickup trucks that come in the morning. They just carry poop like away from the tower.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:42

The Birj Khalifa is not like that tall. It's the tallest. Yeah, I know. But like imagine something that's like 10 times taller than that. Like comically larger than that. It would have to be so wide, though. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:55

It would be there's like proposals that would have to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:57

The base would have to be massive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:59

A little city in the sky.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:02

You know the crazy thing too? The proposals for San Francisco.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:06

What do you mean? I'm so where? Wait, what? That's a terrible place to build that. Like the earthquake is it? Right? No, not only the earthquake. It's like schematic. No, you need somewhere flat. Like not San Francisco.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:18

It was for San Francisco and it was supposed to be earthquake proof. That's the dumbest thing I've ever been.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:22

You're gonna create like a miniature 91. Not even a miniature, you're gonna create a worse 9-11.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

I don't know if I could think of a worse place to put that.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:30

The way they wanted the power system there to work was so ridiculous. It was like because the building was so tall, it naturally had its own draft. Draft is in like like wind going up through the fucking middle of the building and shit. Just because it was so large. And they would use that to power fucking turbines to power the building and shit. That's not even a good idea. That's not a bad idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:53

Yeah. What happens when it's not windy? It creates its own wind, though. So it's self-pro it's self-propelling.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:59

It was so high on its own. Yeah. Has its own fucking like wind perfectly. Which kind of makes sense, but at the same time, I don't feel like it would power.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:09

We just put a nuclear reactor on, dude. It gives a shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:11

Yeah, at that point.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:12

I mean, we're already like building a fucking And they were like, I think they said they shut it down because there was like no feasible way to have a fire escape.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:19

Well, you know, everyone just died.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:20

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:21

Imagine a building like that catching on fire. I think I think every citizen that lives in this sky city just needs to be parachute, uh parachute trained. Or and then if you have children, they pull out you know those rafts that like just a regular fucking raft that like floats.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:34

Honestly, having like a helicopter drop pad on like every floor isn't even a bad idea.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:40

But you can't think of many people though.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:41

Out of like the 10-ish shifts I've worked at the hospital for the past like month, like 30-day period, there's been a like code red for like a fire, like three or four times.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:57

A day or like the entire time. Yeah. It's crazy, man. Yeah, oh, like like someone comes in with like third-degree burns and shit?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:03

No, no, no, no, no. Like the fire would have been put out, like it's a fire in the building. In the hospital. Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:08

Oh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:10

No, no, no, no. Like a burn victim. I mean, I know shit. I mean, they wouldn't be in my hospital if we're in a burnt.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:17

Five different times. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

I like most of them have been in the ER. I'm like, okay, there's fucking crazy people that come in and probably set things on fire. There was a fire today. Maybe. There's a fire today, like where our like engineer people stay. That makes sense too. So I was like, okay, well, maybe they fuck something up. But um But a fire in the ER sounds like. We just built a new tower, like a whole new tower, like building, and there's been like fires there. That makes sense though. Yeah, because I mean there's no one there either, so it's like maybe I don't know, but That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:43

What the fuck? Fires.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:45

And then they always like go over, like, oh, this is what you do in case of like a fire in the hospital, but they never talk about how do you get patients out of the hospital. They don't? Well, like, I don't it's it's not feasible because like all of them. A lot of people are fucking bedbound, and yeah, like the ratio for staff is like if it's one to four, like how the fuck am I gonna get in the back of the house? Actually, I'm gonna look it up real quick. I actually I recognize how the fuck am I gonna get like four grown-ass people out of the like you know, how like most of which are bedbound? Like so what what department do you I like yeah, I could roll them out of the bed. I see with the bed four legs.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:13

There's only one or two people.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:14

Yeah, there's only so many elevators.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:16

Yeah. I see your emergency.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:18

Which which one are you working again?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:19

I see you now. Okay. That used to be ER.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:21

So if there's like a group of like 10 people that just came with a shit ton of mollies or something, like what do you even do in that situation? You just like get fucked? Does everyone in that hospital just die?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:31

I mean, the the whole building, brother. It's a big ass building, so I don't know if the whole thing would catch on fire.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:35

A lot of it's like 10 guys with a few, a lot of it's like brick and stone, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:38

Okay, do they think it's not a wooden frame either?

SPEAKER_08 1:12:40

Do you guys follow the race protocol? Rescue, alert, confine, and extinguish? I was about to say, what the fuck is the race?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

It's all about it's all about putting out the fire and like evacuating.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:49

If it hits a point of no return, what that's what I'm trying to figure out.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:51

That's what I'm saying. Like, what the fuck do you do? I did learn about that though when I was doing um when I was at Shoa, we talked about that as part of like orientation and also like uh just pediatrics in general. So it makes more sense because they're all babies, right? Or children. What do you do for babies? I'm sorry. For for the NIC, for the like uh neonatal ICU, right? What they tap, it's so fucking funny. It's a vest you put on, and there's like pockets in the vest. And each nurse can put like six babies on her body and just run out the baby.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:19

That is fucking fun. It's badass. I was literally gonna think about the flash.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:24

Yeah. It looks it looks so funny. I gotta look at photos of it. It's just like just like fucking six babies strapped in. Oh my god, you're fucked.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:33

Okay, so this is Google Ads. So take this with a grain of salt, but it looks like it went to like 12 different sources. In uncontainable ice in uncontainable ICU fires, nurses must instantly initiate the race protocol. When evacuation becomes necessary, the priority shifts to horizontal evacuation. I don't know if they talked about that with you yet, but the um to a safe adjacent smoke compartment. Critically ill patients require continuous life support, maintaining a one-to-one nurse-patient ratio for usually a ratio is two to one, but if it's like really bad, then we're gonna be able to do that. So like if you're like semi-okay, but you're bed ridden, but you're not like critical, you might just be fucked. Yeah. Because if if the nurse has a manly pump this dude's lungs and you can breathe fine, but you just can't walk good. They're taking that guy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:20

Well, I think if there's just like a certain amount of carbon dioxide in the air in general, if you're on a ventilator, you're fucked.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:26

Like, but that's can pump you. They said to uh manual ventilation. Like with that's why it's one-to-one. You take the ones that can't breathe in their own. So the ones that can, but they just can't run. Okay, they're fucked.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:38

I mean, that's not even a one-to-one job. That's a two-to-one because you have to have one person pumping air, the other person pushing them out. You have to push out the air? No, push out the person, like get away from the fucking fire.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:47

Oh, I see what you're saying. Oh, oh. So you couldn't just run and gun it. You could just like push the girl.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

I'm not that good and like, okay, and if honestly, the ER stretchers are like surprisingly really light. I could do that. I could, I could like, I could honestly hold someone's air away while pushing the stretcher. But a hospital bed is fucking heavy. Really? Yeah. Okay. Because there's more electronics built into it. Like we have hospital beds in the I we have specialized beds in the ICU too, so they're even heavier than like the usual hospital bed. We have like electronics and our mattresses that will like shift them every two hours. So they don't like bed sores. Yeah, yeah. We have these things called sandbags, sand beds, which instead of like a foam mattress, it's all sand. And it's supposed to like help prevent bed sores, like the same kind of concept.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:27

That thing is over a thousand pounds. It's like a thousand pounds of fucking sand.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:31

That's fucking ridiculous. Okay. That's crazy. Here are the priorities according to the Google AI. Horizontal relocation. First move patients who are ambulatory or in a wheelchair. So you save the ones who can't be saved first. The last to be moved to ICU patients on life support.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:45

That's actually the opposite of what I learned in community health. So like it's a little different. But they said in the case of like a natural disaster or like a mass casualty event, you forget the people who you think will make it. And you prioritize people who you think have a chance.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:00

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

Wait, you forget the people who will make it, or like no, you forget about the people who you know for certain, or like you are more certain will not make it. So if somebody's shot through the head, but then other person's shot through the leg, you're saving the person shot through the leg.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:12

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:14

Which makes sense. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:16

Uh as unfortunate as it is, like that's probably how it should be.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:19

Well, yeah, there's a reason why that's like the protocol. Vertical relocation.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:23

If unexcapable. I don't want to spoil it. Fuck, no, I'm not gonna say anything. Okay. If the entire floor must be cleared and elevators are out of service, carry critical patients down stairwells. Ventilator dependency, patients on mechanical ventilators must be disconnected and manually do the whole thing. Medications and records, designate, designate a nurse or unit clerk to grab the crash cart. Is that a term y'all use? Crash cart?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:47

Yeah, it's it's like full of a bunch of like life-saving medications. Yeah, like IV start kits, life saving medications has defibulators in it.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:53

Ooh, you have to teach your policy, staff evacuation. Staff should only evacuate after all patients have been removed. Is that are y'all like down with the ship type of stuff? Yeah, I guess you have to be. Fuuuu.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:04

But like I don't like I'm saying, I don't even know how the fuck you would do that.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:07

The room is supposed to be thoroughly checked, and they are instructed to do so by the incident commander.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:12

There's only so many elevators, dude. I cannot, there's no way.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:15

Like, I don't know how a fire would spread in like a building that doesn't use any wood in the frame, but there's no wood in hospitals? Well, yeah, it's all like steel. Like they're big-ass buildings. Oh, I mean, I So it's like steel and brick and like stone and stuff. I see, I see.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:29

It can't be like a down with the ship type of thing. You're not dying over that. That's not your job, is it? That's the policy, apparently, yeah. Yeah, it kind of is.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

I'm not like fully onboarded yet. Maybe I'll learn that I'm just fucked if that happens.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:43

The second you get in there, like Darren, we have an initiation ritual. You have to do a fucking blood right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:48

Well, actually, for an active shooter situation, actually, the priority is your own safety. That's what I'm saying. So that's not like that's not with like a down with the ship kind of thing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, if he's ever with a gun, but the whole concept behind that is like if you're dead, then you can't save anybody. So Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:02

Which I mean, it's that's it's a fair point. It's a really fair point to make. Like, what do you what do you do?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:10

You're gonna get shot and end up in the ICU yourself. So I mean, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:12

Like, now you're just adding to the bed count and not really the clearing out the bed.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:16

Have you seen that happen where someone gets injured like while working at the hospital and then end up having to get put in the hospital actually? Yes. Um with a slip on a banana peel? No. Because I feel like that would probably happen more often than you would expect. There's probably a lot of ways you can injure yourself. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:30

Yeah, but I don't know of a time. But I'm I know I've I've been told a story where it's happened, but I just don't remember. I mean, I'm sure in the ER somebody's been stabbed and they become a patient. Like that's a that would have been like breaks out and stabs them, like just a behavioral health patient, or you know, psychotic person.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:48

Um that's fair. Probably even like as simple as like falling down stairs.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:53

You could look it up and you would find tons of story. Like that's the thing that definitely happens. But like my personal experience, I once had a patient who worked in the main hospital and she had like a heart attack, like coming off of a night shift, and then she came to the ER, and then um, but that's not like really I mean, it is work-related because like working a night shift is like smoking a pack of cigarettes every week. That's what they say. It's like just drains you, or like yeah, they say working night shift for a week straight is like smoking a pack of cigarettes.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:20

The amount of stress you put in your body.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:22

Well, you're just like going against your body's natural modality, and you're at more at risk for like hypertension. It's like the same comorbidities as smoking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:29

Um that makes sense though.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:31

Yeah. I was one of the guys I've been working with, he told me that he was at a business one time and he stood up really fast, like busted his head open.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:39

But what did he bust his head open on?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:40

Uh there's like an HVAC unit in the ceiling, and he was like on the ladder and stood up too fast and then hit his head on like the corner or whatever of it.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:46

The corner, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:47

Um, busted his head completely open, was like draining blood or whatever. But he the work he was doing was in an urgent care. So he just like walked over and like talked to the nurse. He's like, Hey, by the way, I like busting my head open.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:56

They treated that at an urgent care? Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:58

They had to.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:59

He was right there. Well, I mean, yeah, but usually they would they bring to the ER afterwards. No, it just stopped bleeding. Did he get it in an x-ray or anything?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:05

Yeah, I forget what happened, but he got like stitches or something, I thought.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:09

Okay. Well, then okay, if his skull didn't break, then yeah, it's just stitches.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:11

Yeah, it wasn't a break. It was like actually just busted his head open. So skin tear. Yeah, not the skull.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:18

Yeah, yeah, that's inertia care thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:19

My fault, yeah. But yeah, I was like, that's that's what I thought of. And I was like, at the hospital, I'm sure that type of shit happens like way more often than that for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:27

Yeah, but usually it's because somebody was attacked. Um really I get attacked like that for real? Yeah, like you're more likely to have assault against you than like a police officer. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:35

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Probably I'd say the most animal attacks probably happen at a vet, too. That would make sense.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:42

I don't know about that, but that makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:43

Yeah, I mean I don't know for sure, but like that would logically make sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:47

No, genuinely, like you're like one of the highest professions of like assault against you if you're like a doctor or a nurse, especially a nurse. Because people are just crazy, you know, like like you treat crazy people.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:58

You know what I'm thinking about that. It's not really like something they put on the front door, but that's um, I heard a story today.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:04

It was fucking crazy. This happened like three weeks ago. It was in the um cardiac ICU, which ironically it wasn't three weeks ago, it was like two months ago. But um I was there three weeks ago in like the uh cardiovascular ICU, and there was a guy who um was on a ventilator and then they extibated him, and then the second, like you came with the ventilator and excubate extibated him, and then he was like fine. But he was, you know, when you're on a ventilator or you're just like out of it for so long, you wake up with delirium like you're not yourself for a while. So they put him in restraints because he was like like being aggressive and shouting and um trying to pull at things, but then like they put him on like soft restraints, which are like basically made of like uh like nylon or like a um like a straight like a standard rope material. Okay, we have like other restraints that are more like heavy duty we can use, but um he just had like those soft restraints. Okay, and then uh his wife and father-in-law were visiting, and then like this dude's I don't know, but just somehow gets out of the restraints, and he has he had a central line, which is like it goes here or here, and it's like it's like it's basically an IV that goes directly to your heart. And it's like essential for ICU and ER patients because it's how you give like uh vasoactive medications that like start the heart or like compress, like dilate the vessels, constrict the vessels like in a really fast time. Um, like norepinephrine you'd put through there as like an example. Uh he rip that out, he's like bleeding profusely, and then he attacks his wife.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:27

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:28

Um, gets on top of her, and then the father-in-law like gets a fucking chair, it's fucking beating him with it. And this dude's going ballistic. He like bites his wife's pinky off, and then he codes because he's losing so much blood. So then they're like coding him on the fucking floor. Yeah, like he's got so much blood, he's dying.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:44

Yeah, so we call it codes.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:46

Yeah, so like they start coding him after they called the behavioral health alert for like security, and then they're like treating the wife at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:53

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:54

It's like, yeah, and then he died. And like, dude, imagine the fucking PTSD that woman has.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:59

So what was does do you know why? Like, was he already mentally unwell?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:03

Like, it's no, like it's just delirium. Like, I don't know. He was like, it just happens when you're like a fucking trauma person or you're so what was do you know why he was in there in the first place?

SPEAKER_08 1:23:11

So you just had so much stress.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:12

I don't know why he was in there in the first place, but it's like you just you lose it. Yeah, like I don't know. Imagine like you know when you wake up in the middle of the night and you're like kind of like loopy.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:22

I've never decided to bite my wife's finger.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:25

Well, yeah, I'd imagine that, but you were like asleep for like fucking two weeks and you just woke up and you're like confused as to what's going on, and also you were deprived of oxygen for a while, so maybe he had brain damage. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:34

Okay, that would that would do so. But it's like the immediate reaction to violence, and you chose your wife to like.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:39

There's also a very very real thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:40

Oh, it didn't record like his wife or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:42

There's a very real thing I see called ICU delirium, where it's like even if a completely sane person comes into the ICU and they're like complete like alert and oriented and all that. Yeah, just because like I don't know, think about a hospital. There's fucking noises going on all the time. You're not really you're talking to the same like three people every day. Yeah. Umless you have visitors. Yeah, it's a very like controlled environment, but at the same time, there's like noises going on outside. Like um, you're very isolated, you're not getting any vitamin D because unless there's like a like somehow like just light shining on you from window, which usually isn't the case. Um, the lights are always on sometimes, depending like you like at our hospital, we turn the lights off at night to give you sleep. Um, but I mean, like, I don't know, some sometimes you like the rooms uh that's not required, so the lights will be on. Like, I don't know, crappy providers will leave the lights on, so it just throws them off and they get like crazier and crazier the longer they're there.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:34

Do you know? I forget what the term is, but like when uh people have like a baby, they go crazy and they like want to kill the baby. Postpartum depression. Yeah, postpartum, that's what it was. That's like a hormone thing, that's completely different. Yeah, like no, I was just curious though, because I was like, that's also something I think about too.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:46

It still doesn't make sense to me. Because like, imagine you have a baby, then you just put her in a microwave. Like, what what was the point?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:51

Yeah, what was the point? I've I've like listened to like a lot of 911 calls for that type of stuff, and it's like fucking crazy to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:58

It's like then you just snap out of it, like you just realize you you you just killed your baby, yeah, like off rip, like you put her in the oven, microwave, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:05

I'm just like yeah, because it's the same thing as that for me, where it's like, I don't know how you get there, I don't know, like the brain functions to a point where it's like you don't recognize this person, or why would you want to inflict violence on something that can't protect itself? Yeah, yeah. It was like thinking about that guy too. It's like I don't even know why he would attack his wife.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:22

Why first? Not the other, like not the other man you think like I feel I thought he was gonna attack the father-in-law, yeah. Another male aggression, uh, but like to like just straight up try to cannibalize his wife.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:32

Well, I mean, especially your own baby and shit, too. That's always crazy to me. But like I know it's like a mental thing, but like it's weird to think about because like you snap out of it, though. I don't really know like what all you do to prevent that.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:44

Is it do you know anything about postponed depression? Like, I just know it's a thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:48

Okay, I know they do like psych screenings for it.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:52

Is it like a thing you screen, or is it something that they start showing symptoms for like later?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:56

Um, it can be spontaneous, but like usually if it's like a complicated pregnancy or just in general, like after you deliver, you'll stay in the hospital for another night or two. Just for like observation. No, not away from the baby, they keep the baby with the mom. Like, I were I I was um I did my clinical rotation in a the uh OB unit, and like one of the units was um Mother Baby, where like literally the mom after delivering will just like stay there for like one, two, three nights. And like that's when they do like psychovels, you know, seeing stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:24

Is your eye okay, bruh? Yeah, my contact's fucking tweaking to dry as fuck. God damn. I mean, they've been in for like 15 hours at this point. So the contact fandom is crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:36

Y'all got anything else?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:37

She has it right now, probably not.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:39

This is fun. Talk about crazy fans for that. Yeah, that was actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:44

Just crazy people and we're crazy about crazy people. Yeah, yeah. This guy's crazy though. You wouldn't pay $16 for people to go to the bottom. To go to the fucking moon.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:55

To go to the moon. I ain't going, I ain't showing. Alright, bro. Whatever. But thank you for watching, thank you for listening. Watch E Man, and we'll see you later. Bye.