UNLEASHING THE K9 FORCE | Ep066 | Off The Clock with B Scott

Kyle Edenfield from Black and Gold K-9 shares his extensive experience in professional dog handling, from tracking criminals with bloodhounds to searching for explosives at the Super Bowl. His fascinating journey spans military security operations in Afghanistan, working with over 15 dog teams in Kuwait, and training various breeds for specialized detection work.

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Introduction to Kyle & Black and Gold K-9

Speaker 1 0:00

It's five o'clock and you're off the clock with B Scott. Now today we have as our guest Kyle Edenfield with Black and Gold K-9. All right, he's really passionate about K-9s, very experienced. He's going to walk us through what they do, what he trains them for, and we're just going to talk about Dawg man. He knows a lot. He's a great guy I'm excited to learn about. You know the K-9 forces and the way he does when he's out looking for you know contraband, whatever people manhunting. So if you're into that kind of thing, you need to listen up. So before we get into it, though, leave a like, subscribe and hit the bell for notifications.

Speaker 2 0:35

That was Super Bowl 53. I was security over there at the hotel K-9. My job every morning was to search Tom Brady's car him and his wife's car.

Speaker 1 0:48

Brand new Maseratis brand new, so you're searching it for, like any kind of just.

Speaker 2 0:51

Anything.

Speaker 1 0:51

Really.

Speaker 2 0:52

Yeah, anything. Explosives, narcotics, anything that's wild. Yeah, it's crazy. Some of the stuff is crazy, some of the concerts. And who, like, hired you to do that? If this was a private contractor, is that what it is? Yeah, private.

Speaker 1 1:07

Yeah, that's big in the canine field now so kind of give me a walk me into like how you got started in that and like what you specialize in okay, back in 1998 I was stuck on a railroad track for eight hours and the mate had escaped.

Speaker 2 1:23

Yeah, I said it stayed out there for eight hours and I said to myself I'm gonna get on the chase team and I. It took me three times and I made it and three months after getting on it I was dog handler really yep. Then they moved me up to from bloodhound to a lab searching narcotics. So basically I was on call 24-7.

Speaker 1 1:48

I got you, so they would call you up and say hey, you need to bring your dog and when you search, blah, blah, blah and that's what you would do.

Speaker 2 1:54

Yep. Man, so you got into training dogs now, yeah, I try to do in-house dog training. Plus I travel. If I have to, I travel to go do dog training. I do off-leash obedience, I do door manners people coming in greeting the dog, so the dog don't jump on people.

Speaker 1 2:21

Recall distractions, even introducing a baby to the family, getting the dog used to it yeah, a lot of people you know. When you have a new baby.

Speaker 2 2:24

The first thing you think about is, like I hope my dog's good with it. Yeah, all you got to do is go to walmart buy a baby doll, start working with it and let the dog get used to it. And let the dog start smelling stuff as they're bringing it into the baby's room.

Speaker 1 2:34

Everything's perfect so do you think are issues that dogs may have in the household? Do you think those are dog related, or you think it's maybe a little bit of both the people and the dog, or like, do you think it's just you know, like I have a hard time believing that dogs like acting up, misbehaving, it's just that dog's fault, it's the people. You think so, it's people. Well, what kind of things you see letting them jump.

Speaker 2 3:00

Letting them jump on people. Oh, he's just greeting you, he's just playing with you. I'll come in a house with good clothes on. I don't want a dog jumping on me.

Speaker 1 3:10

Right right.

Speaker 2 3:10

Like if you're eating at the table, the dog's sitting there staring at you like he's begging. It's just people letting him get away with anything.

Speaker 1 3:17

And then one thing leads to another.

Speaker 2 3:18

Yeah, but a little kid, just like a little kid. You tell the kid don't grab that cookie jar. He's steady grabbing.

Speaker 1 3:26

Yeah, well, it makes sense, though I mean you have to. It's just like people you give them an inch, they're going to take a mile. Exactly. And a dog you know it's going to want more and more and more and more. And having discipline with your dog is definitely a good thing especially when it comes to people coming over, Like all the incidents where people get bit what?

Speaker 2 3:44

do you think that's from that dog? Might smell something on you that he don't like. It might be you being around another dog or you being around a cat, something like that, but don't ever get eye level.

Speaker 2 3:59

If you get eye level with a dog, they consider that a threat and that's how a lot of people get bit Really. Yeah, they go down to meet the dog, my dog, I had him trained. He would sit by me and when everybody come in, the guys would go up there and he would shake their hand. I say shake and they would shake their hand.

Speaker 1 4:18

Wow, yep yeah because I see all the time. I mean I it all the time. I mean I see it all the time. People, you know like the people look at like pit bulls and you know dogs like that as being dangerous. But I feel like most of that's just because you know how they're trained Exactly, exactly. You know it's almost like if you have a dog like that with no training, no discipline, I mean it's like a loaded gun.

Speaker 2 4:40

Oh, oh, exactly. No safety, yep. That's why I've noticed a lot of police departments are starting to go to pit bulls. Really, yes For narcotics, yes, yep. That's like with the bloodhounds. I'm trying to find a way. I did it crossing a blacktop road. When our hounds would hit the road, they would lose track and I would fan my trackers out to where they could pick it back up. Oh, road, they would lose track and I would fan my trackers out to where they could pick it back up. So what I did? I would grab a handful of grass and I would rub it together in my hands to get my scent on there and I'd sprinkle it across the road. That way he would just pick up and keep going straight across the road and I'd be right across the road behind a tree to where he'd say, okay, there he is, and Chris Oak, chris Oak, a, a burn, a bloodhound's nose.

Speaker 2 5:29

So bad where they won't even put their nose on the ground really, yes, I tracked the guy for five miles on railroad track and my dog, she couldn't even put her nose down. It burned it so bad really yep, that's crazy so. So the Kuhan Luke story don't work with the pepper, hmm.

Speaker 1 5:47

It don't work. So whenever you're tracking a guy, I imagine it gets pretty hairy when you finally get to him.

Speaker 2 5:52

Oh, yes, it does so.

Speaker 1 5:53

do your dogs? Are they trained to like bay them up, or are they just find them and chill out? What do they do?

Speaker 2 5:58

No, we bay them up Really. Yeah, because it's usually a handler and a four-man tracking team that's with you and plus a sheriff's deputy.

Speaker 1 6:06

I got you. Yeah, Are your tracking dogs? Are they on leash or are they just?

Speaker 2 6:09

No, they're on a 20-foot leash.

Speaker 1 6:11

I got you. Yeah, see, they're all right there on them.

Speaker 2 6:13

Oh yeah, we're on them yeah. Man that's crazy. Last one I did. I was 30 yards into the trail and already found a 45 on the ground. 30 minutes later I ran both of them out on two, two guys that was waiting on on the road waiting to see which direction I was going. They ran right up on them. So whole chase lasted maybe an hour yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 6:39

I imagine you're pretty hard to get away from dog yeah, it is it's moving faster, smells way better. Oh yeah, you know, and like every decision you're making, he ain't making a decision, he's just staying on the line that's right, you got.

Speaker 2 6:50

You got to watch every movement that dog makes. You got to stay like one step ahead of him. If you don't, he's got control, he's gonna.

Speaker 1 6:59

He's gonna go wherever he wants to go, I imagine so even like you know tracking some deer or some buddies that had dogs and stuff, it's like they'll get you. You know that dog's gonna go with that deer when you know it's not always comfortable walking. Yep, you know it's like you might get drug up to the thicket, but that dog's on the deer yep you know, so do you do any? Uh, you know tracking animals, deer. You know game, anything like that.

Speaker 2 7:19

We're gonna I'm gonna start doing that tomorrow as a matter of fact. Really yeah, we're gonna start doing that tomorrow as a matter of fact. Really yeah, we're going to start doing that. I'm getting back into man tracking, search and rescue and wild game tracking.

Speaker 1 7:32

That's pretty good. You pretty much got all bases covered. I mean, what else dog-related could you track Not doing narcotics, stuff like that?

Dog Training and Household Behavior Issues

Speaker 2 7:43

Narcotics, that's very, very, very easy, very easy. But as far as like man tracking, as long as people does not go in there and contaminate the area, that's what happened to me. That's what happened to me. Nobody went in, just me and my crew. Our called them, yeah, but if you get somebody coming in there, it's got the dogs all messed up. He's got 20 different scents. He's got to go through and that makes sense.

Speaker 1 8:13

I've actually heard that before on the uh deer tracking side. You know, don't go if you, if the blood trail ain't good, you know, you know you're probably gonna get a dog just back out. Yeah, no reason to contaminate it.

Speaker 2 8:24

That was, that's what that was my saying. When, in doubt, back out. That's right, dude. Yep, that, yep.

Speaker 1 8:29

Just wait, get it all together, then start back up your chances yes, it does let the dog do what he's supposed to do that's right, let it.

Speaker 2 8:35

And if you want to work him off leash and you can run with him, let him go, absolutely so you.

Speaker 1 8:40

so you, you surely have, uh, some kind of special connection with dogs, you know, have you always had dogs growing up? Have you always been attached to dogs? Yes, working with them.

Speaker 2 8:48

Yes, yes, I get real attached to my dogs. That start young for you. Yeah, yep, let's see, I had my first. I had a blue heeler. I was like 10 years old, loved that dog to death. There's something about it, you know. You can feel the bond. You can feel it. It's just like with a working canine. You can feel it. It's like it just flows through what?

Speaker 1 9:17

it does. It's like an extension.

Speaker 2 9:19

You're an extension you're a team, it's a dance. Everything you do is a dance.

Speaker 1 9:24

I know people we duck hunt and their only thing, everything you do is a dance. You know, I know people who eat duck hunt and their only thing they want to do is, you know, the duck dog, that's it. I mean, that's why they're there. They don't care about shooting a duck, they don't care about driving the boat in nothing. It's all about that dog. They're just working that dog.

Speaker 2 9:36

That's it. That's me set up a training problem, going to the main training problem just to see if my teams are on top of their job. And you'd be surprised how many would walk by and their dog would go to alert to let them know it's there. They would just they would jerk the dog away Really.

Speaker 1 10:00

Not trust a dog. I imagine that's something you have to consider too when you're doing all that. It's like you're young, training a dog. I imagine that's something you have to consider too when you're doing all that. It's like you're young training a dog. It's still early on, you know. You think, ah, there's no way, but the dog, you know, might be right.

Speaker 2 10:12

Oh yeah, you always trust your dog Right, always, regardless.

Speaker 1 10:16

Always Do you have any situations where, like something like that happened and you should have trusted the?

Speaker 2 10:22

dog. Yeah, as a matter of fact, 2018, I almost shut down opening day at Rocky Stadium in Denver. Really, yeah, one of my dogs alerted on a locker, so they called me. I went in, my dog hit on the same locker. The VP of K-9 and the owner of the company was there and I asked him did you put any training aids in that locker? He said no. I said shut it down. He said why? I said both dogs is hit on this locker. I said I'm calling it Shut it down. Well, they was fixing to make the phone calls Come to find out it was one of the housekeeping. It was a can of ammonia.

Speaker 1 11:05

Ammonia cleaner the dog picked up on the ammonia smell. Imagine that, hey, but in that situation, you know, if it was switched and it was something I mean, dude, that's, that's a major difference between wife and death, exactly exactly, and I'd shut it down in a heartbeat yeah, right call wrong call, wrong call. Who cares, that's?

Speaker 2 11:24

right.

Speaker 1 11:24

Yeah, better be safe than sorry.

Speaker 2 11:26

That's right, and we would always go in two and a half three hours early and do a full sweep before they even started letting people in. Then we would get out in the crowd and start working our dogs in the crowd.

Speaker 1 11:40

Yeah, a lot of times, you know, I've seen people, people, you know, uh, walking dogs around, smelling lockers, like in school. You know they bring the dogs in every once in a while, smell all the lockers and you know people, people get nervous for the dog. It's like man, that dog right there is smarter than me you know, it knows what's going on.

Speaker 2 11:56

It's got a plan.

Speaker 1 11:57

Oh yeah, so I never worry about when I see it, but it's incredible how the dogs work I worked.

Speaker 2 12:02

I had two dogs that I could. I could completely work off leash. Just give them their command, yeah, and they, they would, they would go off leash. I had one such 30 vehicles. All I tell them left, right back, and he would do it so how long you been doing that like security, security. I was department ofions for 11, almost 12 years and since then it's been strictly private contracting. But I started K-9 back in 98.

Speaker 1 12:37

Yeah, you've been doing it a while.

Speaker 2 12:39

Oh yeah, got some experience. Yeah, I went to Afghanistan, worked over there back in 2012. Went to Kuwait in 2013. I had 15 dog teams. I was over Really In Kuwait. Yep, that's crazy. You could see the tankers lined up like a boat parade. They was just courting them in Really. Oh yeah, if they got past us, they had two sniper towers right there past the front gate. So if they made it past us, that's where they'd have stopped. Hmm, yeah, that's insane. Yeah, but my dog if they called me my dog was just for verification. Okay, this dog hit, this dog hit. Now the supervisor's dog hit, okay.

Speaker 1 13:30

Yeah, so you're like the last line of verification.

Speaker 2 13:33

Yes, if I give the okay. Yeah, because as soon as I get on scene, everybody backs off. I'm over, I'm completely over everything.

Speaker 1 13:43

I see, yep, I see You're kind of like the for sure, like yes or no. Yep, yep, you draw the line, I draw the line.

Speaker 2 13:51

That's right.

Speaker 1 13:52

So where do you see it taking you like, looking in the future? I know you're going to start doing tracking dogs for a game and stuff starting tomorrow. What do you envision?

Bloodhound Tracking and Scent Work

Speaker 2 14:02

the end, the band for this I want to be able to do law enforcement dogs also. I want Belgian, malinois, german Shepherds, I want them in dual purpose narcotics apprehension, explosives apprehension. And I also want cell phone, which cell phone dogs are very hard to train.

Speaker 1 14:28

What is that? Explain that to me.

Speaker 2 14:29

Cell phone dog. The only thing they can hit on is the powder coating on the motherboard.

Speaker 1 14:36

That's insane. I don't even know what that means.

Speaker 2 14:39

I don't even get that, yep, that little thin, thin, thin coating on that motherboard. That's what they're trained to sniff on. Really, I thought it was the battery, it's the, it's the board and what exactly are they looking for?

Speaker 1 14:49

like, like, what is like, what is that?

Speaker 2 14:53

it's just it's right there where your cell phone's got that gap, at where you're, uh, where your keyboard's at yeah, sniff right there. And battery openings. Anywhere there's opening on that phone. If they can get their nose to it they're going to hit it really yeah, but my main focus, my main focus is really law enforcement. Yeah, special trained SWAT, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 15:19

Oh yeah, tactical yes is it like a deal where you're doing all the training and all this, or do you have employees that are helping train?

Speaker 2 15:27

Eventually I'm going to get some fellow handlers that I'm going to reach out to Gotcha and I have some real good personal friends that do bout work, apprehension work. Yeah, I'm going to get with them too. We have a building set up where we can do different scenarios. I even have one do guns? Search for guns.

Speaker 1 15:50

So a well-trained dog like that for you to train it, what does that cost? You don't have to be exact, but roughly what does it cost to get a well-oiled up machine like that?

Speaker 2 16:04

About $40,000. Really Give or?

Speaker 1 16:06

take. Yeah, see, I've heard some numbers you know right around that. It's just to me it's like you know that's a tool, though it's a special weapon.

Speaker 2 16:15

I had one. I was traveling with another handler to Afghanistan. His dog was over 100. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, oh 100.

Speaker 1 16:25

Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, oh yeah it's expensive, very expensive very but, like you said, that was an extension of you. You know, having a well-trained dog.

Speaker 2 16:33

Man has to be well-trained yep, and then there, and I tell everybody if you've had a bad day or if you're just mad at the world, let the dog be a dog. Don't even do nothing with him, because every emotion you feel going down that leash right to his head so you obviously have a passion for I can tell oh yes, yes, everybody says it's a deep it's a deep.

Speaker 1 16:56

It's a deep connection he has here. I mean he has a special place in his heart for working dogs, oh yeah yes, yes, I've, I've worked labs, malinois Shepherds, short-haired pointers.

Speaker 2 17:11

To me, the short-haired pointers, that was the best ones, really, the funny ones.

Speaker 1 17:15

Why is that? They just?

Speaker 2 17:16

act up, yeah, like a child Energy, yeah, old energy.

Speaker 1 17:22

Yeah, I imagine what's the hardest breed to train Like. In what scenario are you training them in? That's hard.

Speaker 2 17:30

Bloodhounds would be the worst, really, yeah, bloodhounds. Why is that Stubborn, hard-headed? Yeah, yeah, you've got to. In order for them to get your interest, you've got to have something better than what they're already sniffing.

Speaker 1 17:46

And you know that with a bloodhound, that's right.

Speaker 2 17:48

That's impossible.

Speaker 1 17:49

I know you can't pull them off of it, hardly either. No, uh-uh, once it's there and in their mind, that's it, bye, they're going. Tunnel vision.

Speaker 2 17:57

Tunnel vision.

Speaker 1 17:58

That's it, yeah, and and so you know. Have you noticed anything about like characteristics of dogs that make them easier to train or harder to train? Like the way I see it, you know, different dogs got different characters, exactly. You know kind of like people. Exactly Some of them are more wound up than others, got more drive than others. What do you look for in seeing a dog that has potential?

Speaker 2 18:19

I look for the drive of the dog. If it's a medium, we call them soft, medium or hard drive, hard driven dog. Right, I look for basically a medium. That way he's not high strung, yeah, easy to work with. Now the higher drive dogs yeah, they're awesome. If you could they make you look good. Yeah, we just call them push button dogs. Yeah, if you mess up, you just let him go. He's going to pick you back up.

Speaker 2 18:46

He's going to do it yeah, he's going to do it, make you look good. But to me medium medium drive, that makes sense, kind of less timid.

Speaker 1 18:55

Yeah, I have one that's highly driven. What you got A Black Lab and he is. Uh, he could be a little bit of a pain in the ass sometimes because I mean he don't give it up, you know he'll wear you out. Yeah, it's all he wants to do, though you know he just wants that whatever is on his mind. Don't matter if he has a ball, if he's trying to go fed, it does not matter. We're on the boat. He's just locked in shaking the whole time. Oh yeah, he just will not relax.

Speaker 2 19:21

He knows. He knows what's up. He knows he's ready to go to work. That's like my dog, he knows. He knew when I grabbed his harness he would actually start stepping into it helping me putting it on him. He's ready to go. Oh, he's ready to go. He knows it's time to work and they love it too. Oh, yes, they love it.

Speaker 1 19:48

Yes, they do, and that's why you see people. But, dude, there ain't nothing that dog would want to do more than run up and bite that hog's ear.

Speaker 2 19:54

Exactly Like. That's it Exactly and that's like you said passion with a dog what got me one day. Till this day I remember I was working Cincinnati Paul Brown Stadium for the Bengals. I had a 13-year-old come up to me and shook my hand and said thank you for your service. To this day I still remember that. I mean that's what got me and I said that really meant a lot. That hit home. I said yeah, that's it, I like that.

Speaker 1 20:27

Yeah, it does, and it's just like you know. All the experience you have going around doing security is you know, you pick up on things yeah, you know, and you eventually get to where it's what you need to be doing because you're good at it. You know, I feel like we all need to be doing something we're good at to some extent Exactly, you know so I definitely tell if you have the passion, the drive to do it. I mean you keep getting better and keep doing it, keep pushing.

Speaker 2 20:53

That's my main goal is I want to become a master trainer.

Speaker 1 20:57

Master trainer, yeah. So how do you become a master?

Speaker 2 20:59

trainer. You start off as a trainer. I think you got to go through so many dogs. You got to start from a green dog, not knowing nothing, right To being spot on, basically Right. I think you got like a year, year and a half school you got to take.

Speaker 1 21:17

Oh, I got you. Yeah, does it come with like a license, like a, like a, so that whenever you're like selling trained dogs, it brings a higher number, because yes, yes, I got you Yep, and plus you go on a list of whatever state you're in Master dog trainers. Ah, you're in master dog trainers, ah yeah, so really, that's definitely something to push for. Oh yeah, especially in your business yep, that's is that. That's exactly that's my goal, master trainer yep, how long do you think it'll take to get it?

Speaker 2 21:44

going on now probably I would say probably give me about two, two and a half years. Yeah, I should be where I'm at sweet, that's good.

Speaker 1 21:53

Yeah, I'm excited for you. Oh, yeah, yeah, you uh, what, uh? I mean, you said you already got a place in the building. You're ready to get ripping, aren't you oh?

Speaker 2 22:01

yeah, we're ready. All we got to do is get the dog in there and start and start start doing some training. I might have, uh, I'm having quartered off like living rooms, bedrooms, yeah, to where I can barricade myself in there and get the dog to come in and actually pull me out, right, yeah, and get like get up under a vehicle and have the dog come up under the vehicle and even get run down a railroad track. Right, get them used to that crisso if they can't start working off the edge yeah, that's crazy man there's a lot that goes into that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 22:35

I think we got access. I think it's like five acres around the building. So we're going to be doing a lot of work out there in the woods, a lot.

Speaker 1 22:46

How many dogs do you?

Speaker 2 22:47

think are going to run through a year, hopefully. On law enforcement, I'm going to say 20, 25, yeah, yeah, yeah, the narcotics. Narcotics is and and explosives. They're pretty much the same, so trying to go easy with them, I got you.

Speaker 1 23:06

How long does it take to get a dog? Like time frame for like a police dog, like that For a police?

Speaker 2 23:12

dog total, I'd say probably about 12 weeks, Really yeah.

Speaker 1 23:21

Man, it's really not that bad.

Speaker 2 23:22

No depending on his drive, Right, Depending on his drive. I've seen one spot on and right when they go to get rid of him. Nothing Couldn't get nothing out of him.

Speaker 1 23:34

Hmm, it's funny.

Speaker 2 23:36

He's like I don't want to go. Yeah, I've actually had my dog. I was going to the entry control point in Afghanistan to search a dump truck. My dog literally stopped and laid down and would not get up.

Speaker 1 23:49

I wonder why.

Speaker 2 23:50

Tired.

Speaker 1 23:51

Really.

Military and Security K-9 Experiences

Speaker 2 23:52

Yep Didn't want to do nothing because he searched, I think that month it was only two of us. We searched 800 dump trucks in one month. They was bringing gravel in and his dog alerted on a truck. So he calls me. He said did you set anything out? I'm like no, sir. He said go get your dog. I said uh-oh. So I went and got my dog, brought mine back. He said fifth dump truck. Well, I started on the third one. When I got to the fifth one mine hit the same time, same spot. His did. He says where are you going? I said I'm going over there. They got EOD out there. Sure enough, they had swabbed that truck, that tire with C4. And they was testing. They was seeing how our dogs would do. Next day. Dude drove by our entrance and went to the next one car bottom.

Speaker 1 24:48

Really.

Speaker 2 24:48

And I was doing bot work with my dog when it went off.

Speaker 1 24:52

No way.

Speaker 2 24:54

Needless to say, I bit all that a bunch really yeah just freaked out. Yeah, he just freaked out.

Speaker 1 25:00

All of a sudden it freaked us all out yeah, so the bomb went off, he just lost it he just yeah, he just completely lost it.

Speaker 2 25:06

Yeah, man, but I got him back, I calmed him down and put him up that's crazy.

Speaker 1 25:12

And like you never know you go in every day you never know what you're going to find no, and then I was off that day.

Speaker 2 25:18

It was a Saturday, I was off. They had a gunfight. They had a gunfight break out at the front gate. A bullet went through my kennel. Really I thought it was a rock off. One of them, deuce-and -a halfs, passed by and just hit the kennel. My dog just come out of his kennel into my tent because it was connected. Yeah, that bullet went through.

Speaker 1 25:39

Really. So I mean, you got any stories, more stories about you finding bombs, stuff like that C4, where it just happened to just slip through and just get in there.

Speaker 2 25:50

As a matter of fact, the only one one that I have as far as stadiums and all that, no, but as I was in, uh, I was in afghanistan working a training problem and my dog sit against the t-wall, the barricade, and I told the trainer. I said I got an alert right here. He said no, you don't I. I said yes, I do. Well, we argued back and forth about five minutes. He went over there, ran his dog Same spot, same spot. Come to find out it was C4 planted in there from some guy outside. It was going to bust, that, it was going to blow that T-wall.

Speaker 1 26:30

Really. Yeah, that's crazy man, that's insane, it is, it is. I mean, really, there's a high demand for dogs. How many service dogs do you think are in the police forces in the United States? I can't think of how many canine units there are.

Speaker 2 26:49

Well, just to give you a rough idea. I worked Super Bowl 52 and 53. At Super Bowl 52, they had just alone the parking lot and the stadium, over 500.

Speaker 1 27:04

Really Dang. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you got to. You got that many people together.

Speaker 2 27:09

Exactly, exactly, and plus all them high-profile celebrities and singers, yeah right, yeah, you know a security detail like that.

Speaker 1 27:17

I wonder how much that costs. It's a lot. Put 500 dogs on the ground, handlers, everything. It's a lot. I can only imagine it's a lot. I bet it's a ton of money. I bet it's astronomical About 100.

Speaker 2 27:32

Really About 100.

Speaker 1 27:34

Man for just you know a day. Yeah, or whatever. I mean it's crazy.

Speaker 2 27:38

Yeah, because we was up there usually 10 days. Really 10 days before yesterday.

Speaker 1 27:43

So y'all would be there before. Yeah, because I imagine that would be kind of a time to get everything checked out, because before everybody gets here and there's so many eyes there.

Speaker 2 27:50

Exactly and get your credentials and all that. Yeah, and meet, meet your other dog teams you're going to be working with. See I was, I was. I was connected with our atf, with their dogs, so that's who I worked with. It was me and two other guys with atf like an event like that.

Speaker 1 28:10

Has there ever been a case that you heard of where a dog for some reason lashed out and bit somebody? Yes like somebody was messing with a dog, and shouldn't be, because there's always that guy you know, there's always guys like that.

Speaker 2 28:21

They're just, oh you know, yeah, we uh, yep, yep uh over there at the pepsi center yeah in denver.

Speaker 1 28:29

One went up too close and got bit yeah, I mean what happens in that situation, like they just do a report or something.

Speaker 2 28:39

Yeah, we do a report and they go to the doctor and we put the dog up, make sure everything's all right with the dog, then go back and watch the videotape to actually see what happened.

Speaker 1 28:50

Yeah.

Speaker 2 28:51

And a lot of times it'd be the people. A lot of times it's the people just walking up the dog would be looking the other direction and they come up behind the dog and like kind of tap him or pet him, turns around.

Speaker 1 29:03

You know, that's a, he's a weapon, you know?

Speaker 1 29:05

oh yes, a trained weapon, yes, exactly you know, you're gonna walk up, you know, to a gun you don't know if it's loaded or not just pull the trigger, exactly, exactly, I mean same thing. Yeah, yeah, you don't know if it's loaded or not and just pull the trigger. Exactly, exactly, I mean it's the same thing. Yeah, yeah, it's wild. I imagine there's pretty crazy stuff happening with canine units. I think it's probably the coolest thing. If I was in law enforcement, I would definitely, I think, be on that end of the team for sure. Oh, yes, because I like working with dogs too.

Speaker 2 29:30

I love watching tactical training with your dog. You would, you would go, you would give your dog the command to sit or lay and you would run to cover, and then you would look back and you'd give your dog the command and he would. He would crawl instead of walk. Stuff like that's cool, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 29:47

Yeah, that's what I want, yeah dude it's insane, yeah, but it's like I got a friend of mine. He's in, he's in training with uh navy seals. Really that's cool.

Speaker 2 29:57

Oh yeah well you know he's wired up. Oh yeah, and I actually the, uh, the bin laden raid. Yeah, I actually got to play with one of the dogs that was on it. Really, yep, little year and a half old malinois man yeah, he was trained in explosives and dogs aren't.

Speaker 1 30:14

Aren't those them dogs that are like super, super athletic, like the ones you see jumping 20 foot up, you know, jumping off the walls and stuff.

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Speaker 2 30:21

That's them. Mine would hang about seven foot up a tree on a rope. He would just sit there and hang and just swing back and forth. Really, really. Six o'clock in the morning, super fast, yeah, oh, very fast, but yep, very fast. But some have a long-term life. But if you've got a hard-driven Malinois, six, seven years.

Speaker 1 30:48

I can see that, because I mean they're burning, burning, burning, burning.

Speaker 2 30:52

Yep, nonstop Yep. All they want to do is please their handler. That's all they want to do is please their handler. That's all they want to do.

Speaker 1 30:57

Yeah, that's all they want to do. I mean, would you recommend that breed for somebody that wasn't going to train and was just going to have just a dog?

Speaker 2 31:03

No, that's what happened. When that movie Max come out, everybody went to buy in a Belgian Malinois that didn't know what they was doing and next thing you know, you got all these shelters and rescues with all these Belgian Malinois in there. They don't know what to do with them.

Speaker 1 31:17

Yeah, exactly, yep.

Speaker 2 31:19

No, you're definitely riding the wrong way to do it. Oh, it's definitely, and a lot of people do it the wrong way.

Speaker 1 31:25

A lot of them.

Speaker 2 31:26

I had one. I had to go train. I knocked on the door. As soon as I heard that dog, I'm like this is not good. This was the first dog this couple ever owned Really. And I told them. I said do you know what you have right here? She says no. I said that's a Belgian Malinois. I said this is. Did he come from a police working dog? She said yeah. I said y'all have no business with this dog. Yeah, I said y'all need to donate it to a police department. Yeah, because he was trying to come after me and she was doing everything she could to hold it. I said please don't drop that leash, mm, because it mm-mm.

Speaker 1 32:09

Eat you up. Oh yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 32:11

They do a lot of damage fast too, oh yes, they're quick and they won't release Really Because it's like a game to them. Yeah, it's like a game, like when you're actually doing training with them. It's a big game. Their tails are wagging. You notice, when they do an apprehension, you see their tail wagging and all that. It's a game, that's all it is. Yeah, they just want to get out there and play and play, basically yeah, play chase.

Speaker 1 32:39

Basically, man, I get serious too, man. I mean, I couldn't imagine get latched on by one of them.

Speaker 2 32:44

It hurts I bet it hurts.

Speaker 1 32:46

I can see it just snapping bones, cutting you to shreds I had one.

Speaker 2 32:50

I had one completely jerk my sleeve, my long, long sleeve shirt completely jerked the sleeve off of it, quick, quick, and I was no farther from me to you and I was just playing with the dog five minutes earlier, really.

Speaker 1 33:04

Just snap, like that it just snapped, just like that. Yeah, man, yeah, it's crazy too, because the dog feels, I think. I think they read the emotion through you. They do you know cause you can? You can walk in and greet a dog one way and greet it a different way, and it is completely different. You know, some dogs would be timid or they might, you know, be more aggressive. You know, rattle the gate just by how you greet them.

Speaker 2 33:30

I go by that when I walk into a place and if I see that dog get in front of the owner or come run and get beside it, that's when I kind of you know, because he's checking up, yeah, he considers you a threat. Well, let me go get in between my owner and this threat until I get to know who this is At that point, at that moment, you know?

Speaker 1 33:50

OK, yeah.

Speaker 2 33:51

I'm going to keep my distance. And that's when people get bit, because that's when they oh well, let me go down there, keep pushing it, keep pushing it, and he wants you to stop.

Speaker 1 33:59

Yeah, yeah. I guarantee you pick up on a lot of stuff like that over the time. Oh yeah, Working with dogs oh yeah.

Speaker 2 34:10

I could pick up movements like doing detections, like I had one dog. If he alerted on narcotics he would take two steps back, sit and wag his tail twice. When I seen that tail wag twice I said there it is.

Speaker 1 34:22

Yeah, what kind of narcotics they find a lot.

Speaker 2 34:25

Well, it was back in the prisons. It's marijuana, marijuana, strictly marijuana, really. Yeah, I found a pound of it.

Speaker 1 34:31

I bet you a dog can sniff that out so quick.

Speaker 2 34:34

Yeah, I bet I bet they have no problem with that. No, they don't. They don't, especially if it's hot. Yeah, and what we call it bacon. Oh yeah, they go right to it, I bet yeah. It's like if I'd work a room, whichever way he'd go, I'd go the direction, or I'd just take the leash, I'd pop the leash and I'd tell him to go search. Let him find it on his own.

Speaker 1 34:57

Yeah, I mean like say, a room this big, this ain't a very big room. I mean, your dog would clear this room? I would think super quick.

Speaker 2 35:05

Oh, he'd clear this room probably three minutes.

Speaker 1 35:09

Really yeah.

Speaker 2 35:12

And be real thorough at the same time. And be real thorough at the same time and be real thorough, exactly yes, I would. As soon as I open that front door, I would see which direction he would want to go and, like I said, I would just pop my leash and tell him to go and do the whole room. Do the whole room, make sure ventilation's cut off, make sure doors are open.

Speaker 1 35:27

Let him go yeah that's crazy so, uh, I know that I know that we don't talk about the security and you know all the, you know super bowls and stuff like that you've done. But I mean, is there any like out there, things that you witnessed working dogs that you just like got hairy and thought, man, it's bad?

Speaker 2 35:48

yeah, actually you'd be surprised of the people that have service dogs. That's really not service dogs. I'm not surprised actually. No, really. I believe that I had one of my dogs got jumped on by so-called service dog. Yeah, and that got pretty hairy.

Speaker 1 36:09

Yeah, can't you just get that paper on the internet, can't you? Yeah, yeah, you can get service dog paperwork pretty easy. Yeah, like $99. Yeah, i't you just like get that paper on the internet, like, can't you? I mean, yeah, yeah, like you can get service dog paperwork pretty easy? Yeah, like $99. Yeah, I mean, basically, all you need is to pay for it. Yeah, that's all you do. I don't think there's any training at all. They don't ask for nothing Like.

Speaker 2 36:27

What is it? Emotional support dogs? Is that what it is? Yeah, K-9, good citizenship training and all that, and that consists of a lot. You're looking at at least nine, ten months Really Just doing ESA training. Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 36:46

So I get in that situation, say you're there, you're doing security or you're doing whatever it may be right, looking for something. Yeah, and there is a civilian service dog in in the area, like do you have the ability to say, hey, you know, can you remove your dog for a second?

Speaker 2 37:01

or like, move them out, back them up, or something, yeah, we can do that, or we either just back off and let them go. Normally we'll just be the we just back off and let them go.

Speaker 1 37:10

Yeah, yeah, I got you.

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Speaker 2 37:12

Yeah, we'd back off, but other than that, there's no problems with them. Yeah, because we had what they call bark at the park. There's like 900 dogs there and we're trying to work through all this. I bet that sounds like chaos. It was utter chaos.

Speaker 1 37:31

I can only imagine, yes, yes, a bunch of non-trained dogs with trained dogs, and the non-trained dogs are messing with the trained dogs.

Speaker 2 37:39

Yes, that's what I see a lot, a lot of conflict.

Speaker 1 37:42

Yes, Our dogs want to play. Snap back in.

Speaker 2 37:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1 37:47

I can only imagine, man. They're just like kids, though, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 37:50

They are, they are, they are Love them to death, though.

Speaker 1 37:54

Yeah, they're great. I definitely couldn't live without a dog. I've had dogs my whole life. Oh have you? Yes, I mean, right now I have three. I've got a wiener dog which is my fishing dog. Her name's Cricket and we go fishing. Every time I go fishing she's with me and she loves fishing. Then I've got Ben, which I can't take fishing. He's a black lab. He's too locked in all the time he's watching every single cast all the way back to the, all the way casted out, all the way back, over and over, just works itself to death. And then we got this other dog, mystic picked it up. It was like a stray. I don't even know what it is, some kind of mutt, but it kind of looks like. It has a little bit of German Shepherd in it, but it's like straight black but it has like kind of the build of German Shepherd. Okay, I'm not really sure what it is, but and it's really sweet just laid over, no drive whatsoever.

Speaker 2 38:48

Just laid back.

Speaker 1 38:49

Yes, so I have like all three of the spectrum.

Speaker 2 38:52

Oh yeah, yeah, I've got the driven, that middle range you're talking about, and then just the lazy yep, and they're all different personalities, you know, they're just like kids. Oh yeah, yep, yep. And if they mine, when I used to have, if he's seeing you in a bad mood, he would do something. He would do something stupid to make you laugh yeah he's just like.

Speaker 2 39:12

He says I'm gonna he's in a bad mood, pick you up and let me do this. You know, just I would sit there and laugh and say okay yeah, and they're the same.

Speaker 1 39:22

They're the same every day, you know oh yeah that's what's crazy about them. You'll be up and down with your mood, your whatever's going on your life exactly that dog, though, is the same every single day happy every day, exactly, yep, exactly. I mean, we don't deserve dogs. No, I'm telling you, we don't. No, there's too many people that abuse them, and exactly treat them wrong.

Speaker 2 39:43

Exactly that's like people with the, with that e-collar. I've seen people just I'm like I'm like would you like to be zapped like that 24, 7. Yeah, I said let me put that on you and see how it feels. I said average human can only take six. I said let me turn it up to 100 and see how you like it yeah, they should wear them out too.

Speaker 1 40:04

No, yeah, and they uh all the time the toner, just the toner alone, like the sound little beep. I mean that's enough for 99.9 of dogs. They'll hear that and they'll know what it's related to and they're done I like to vibrate.

Speaker 2 40:21

The vibrate is good, but you can look on a person's remote and you can see the. The shock symbol just completely wore out. The other two look brand new oh yeah, so you can tell right. I said you, you shocked this dog too much. Yeah, that dog's used to that collar, so now that's all that dog knows.

Speaker 1 40:40

Yeah, that's all he thinks about too. Yep If you put that on him, he knows like okay, everything just changed.

Speaker 2 40:45

Everything just changed. Yep, yep. And it's all about timing too. If you're off on your timing, you're just hitting him them for nothing.

Speaker 1 40:58

yeah, I imagine there's a lot to it. Oh yeah, there's a lot to it. Timing is everything when it comes to working a canine. Yeah, I explain exactly like what scenario timing plays plays a factor that's like you.

Speaker 2 41:04

If you're searching a vehicle right, like I said, you're always one step ahead.

Speaker 2 41:08

Of that dog say you just hit the gas tank yeah okay, I'm thinking next, okay, he's gonna hit these two passenger driver's side door, then I I want to come back to the hood, then I want to come back and do another Search down the side and just cover myself and do it both ways. Always think ahead of that dog and if that dog alerts, I would always point at something else and say search, search. And he'd never move. I said, hey, it's right there.

Speaker 1 41:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2 41:39

He's locked in on it. Oh, he's locked in. If you tell him to move, he's not going to move. Yeah, he's there.

Speaker 1 41:47

And when they know it, they know it oh yeah, they know it.

Speaker 2 41:49

They ain't playing around either. No, no, because he knows, if he does what he's supposed to, he gets his toy Right. He wins, yeah, he wins the game. He wins Yep and he's done. And I used to train my dogs Monday through Friday and Saturday and Sunday. I just let them be a dog, I wouldn't do nothing.

Speaker 1 42:07

Really. Oh yeah, I had a pool.

Speaker 2 42:09

I had a pool set up, they'd get in the pool everything. Oh yeah, they had it better than I did. Oh yeah, well, you know they work at nine to five, exactly.

Speaker 1 42:16

You know like getting their break too, exactly. That's awesome, man. Well, I'm excited for you. I hope, I hope you uh, you get to training, you start expanding, you get your uh master trainer license and everything goes good from there, man that's awesome.

Speaker 2 42:29

Oh yeah, man, that's what I'm shooting for black and gold canines. We're fixing to take off it. Black and gold canines, it's going to be good.

Speaker 1 42:36

Oh yeah, I'm excited for you and thanks for coming today man. Oh, yes, I mean it means a lot and it's awesome to learn about you and the compassion you have and the drive that you have to do that, Because I do think that the canine forces, units and stuff are mandatory. I think it's a must.

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Speaker 2 42:55

Oh it is. It's definitely a must, especially if you've got a big like a riot situation. Yes, a show of force. Yes, you definitely need dogs, yes, yes, I mean, you know, when the dogs show up it's serious and, to be honest with you, I think it should be a canine officer with a regular cop at all times.

Speaker 1 43:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2 43:18

Have two to a unit.

Speaker 1 43:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2 43:20

A specialized officer and a regular officer. That was my, that was.

Speaker 1 43:26

I've always said that.

Speaker 2 43:28

And also dogs in schools For active shooters or narcotics. I see that have a dog at school trained for weapons.

Speaker 1 43:37

Yeah, because I mean, if that was to go down in that school, that dog's on it quick.

Speaker 2 43:41

Oh yes, Go ahead and take him down and be done with it.

Speaker 1 43:44

Yeah, probably long before it, even you know, escalate to half of what it would be.

Speaker 2 43:49

Oh yeah, if the wind's just right and everything's in that dog's face. Oh, he'd hit that person before he walked in that door. Mm in that dog's face. Oh, he'd hit that person before he walked in that door. Mm-hmm yeah.

Speaker 1 43:59

I agree with that. I'm one of those guys too that believes, you know, that teachers should be armed. Yes, I think that that's a big deal. I mean, if you come into a classroom and the teacher has an arm, you're not doing much in that classroom.

Speaker 2 44:13

That's right, and I also believe veterans they should let our veterans be over security in some schools too. Oh yeah, yep, yes sir.

Speaker 1 44:24

Absolutely Be safer, then oh yeah, everybody's scared of guns, but you don't realize that. You know, only law-abiding citizens would ever turn their guns in. Yep, you know what I'm saying? The criminals that already broke a law. Why would they all of a sudden start following the law then? Exactly, they wouldn't. Exactly. You just have less of a chance to defend yourself.

Speaker 2 44:42

Yep, it would only hurt you know your chances and it's like you see people antagonizing these canines, these police canines, getting they see just how far they can. That dog can come out and they just sit there and just antagonize, antagonize that dog. But there's always that one time they screw up and they get bit and they get bit, they get hurt. Yeah, bad, bad yep, Yep, I had a friend of mine. He had his dog bit a dude that was barricaded up in the house and broke his arm.

Speaker 2 45:11

Really he was so hard broke his arm.

Speaker 1 45:13

That I believe it. Yeah, they're different man. It's not like getting bit by a person. That dog's got some. It's designed to bite.

Speaker 2 45:21

Yeah, it's designed to bite. Yes it is, but the worst bite I ever had was off an English Bulldog.

Speaker 1 45:26

Really, yep, that was the worst one.

Speaker 2 45:30

What did it do to you? It bit me on the back of my leg, behind my knee yeah bruised up my whole back of my back of my leg and all he all I did was say bye and I rubbed him on his head and when I turned around, walked off, he bit me golly. And that's the first time that dog ever bit me. And I worked, I had him seven, seven months. I trained that dog and he bit me at the last, last training really yeah, like a farewell bite, yeah.

Speaker 2 45:57

Basically he's like now payback yeah I'll get out of here.

Speaker 1 46:02

I don't know, I wouldn't want to be bit for sure it'll sound fun.

Speaker 2 46:05

Well no, they say you ain't a canine handler if you ain't got bit yet, you gotta get bit. Well, I'm not, and I ain't been busy I'm gonna keep it that way.

Speaker 1 46:12

What'd you do all that? That's the best way I'm telling you well, kyle. I appreciate you coming in today. Appreciate it. Guys, check them out. If you need a dog trained to have questions, I'm sure you answer questions and stuff oh yeah, yes, sir, um yeah, facebook black and gold, canine black and gold canine yes sir, on facebook and we're building.

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Speaker 2 46:31

We're building up our website here pretty soon and we're gonna make a big announcement when our website comes up. I'm excited for you, buddy. Appreciate it, man.

Speaker 1 46:39

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