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• Off The Clock with B Scott • Season 2 • Episode 67

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Big Sarge, Retired Military, Lake Fork guide and host of a popular fishing radio show on 103.7 The Buzz, shares insights on LiveScope technology, fishing techniques, and tournament strategies from his decades of experience on the water.

• LiveScope has transformed fishing by allowing anglers to actively hunt individual fish rather than just fishing structure
• Finding schools of fish creates competition among bass, making them more likely to strike than isolated "bogey" fish
• Shell beds on points and secondary points are prime areas for catching quality bass with football jigs and Carolina rigs
• Fluorocarbon line makes a significant difference when targeting heavily pressured, educated bass
• The potential Arkansas lunker program could benefit local economies but requires proper implementation and patience
• Professional LiveScope users demonstrate a completely different skill level from casual users through boat control and precision casting
• Forward-facing sonar has pushed tournament anglers offshore, creating new approaches to competitive fishing
• Tournament success requires confidence baits, strategic lake breakdown, and adaptability to changing conditions

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Meeting Big Sarge, Lake Fork Guide

Speaker 1

It's five o'clock and you're off the Goggled Beast Guide. Now today we have as our guest Big Sarge. Right, you might know him from Channel 4 Fishing Report or the Buzz. He's a Lake Fort guide, all right. So he's going to give us fishing tips. He's going to give us you know what the fish are doing. Right now. We're going to talk about live scope, the good, the bad, the ugly. A little bit about a lunker program maybe here. But before we get into it, make sure you leave a like. Subscribe.

Speaker 2

Hit the bell for notifications yeah, you got to find the fish. You got to make them compete. If you find a school, they'll compete and they'll put that. You put that bait in front of them and they'll fight for it. But the ones that are out there, I like to call them bogeys. You're sitting out there in 40 foot of water and one's sitting there at 10 foot and getting hurt, a hit. I mean it's you know.

Speaker 1

Hit or miss. That's right. They'll either do it on the first time or they won't do it at all, yeah.

Speaker 3

Shit.

Speaker 1

I'd be throwing out like 15 different rods out of them, Like you, got to bite something and what I notice is I have a fish that'd be like on a stump or something and have some fry around and You'll throw on that fish and your bait will be falling in and it'll go up and hit it and it's like if you don't catch it on that first initial hit, it's like the likelihood of getting that fish to bite again in a short amount of time is really slim yeah.

Speaker 2

Have you all done this? We discovered this during the big spawn at Fork. So let's say this is your screen and you're looking out 75, and let's say you're 30 feet deep and you're looking out 75. And let's say you're 30 feet deep. When I come up on a stump and I'm aiming at it, I bring it all the way up to five feet and I shrink it down to 30. Now I can see that. I can almost see that fish breathe.

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, we do that that's a neat little yeah just taking it in right there close yeah, and we're rolling now. I mean we're just oh, we're on right now, yeah, we're just slowly going into it okay, just get it rolling, yeah, so, uh, yeah, so you know you, uh, you throw down in there and you get real close where you can actually hit him in the head.

Speaker 1

You know, yeah, and a lot of times, like some fish you know, like bed fishing, for example. Right, you got a fish in a bed. It's swimming around the bed. It's like you'll sit there fish that fish so long that you start to figure out what that fish it does you know what his actions are and you'll figure out what it'll do whenever you throw past the bed and drag in. Okay, does this fish want me to throw it directly in the bed? All right, and you start figuring them out.

Speaker 2

It's pretty cool so, and I just got off lake fork and of course the leech were there. So when you know we don't guide during that time we try not to because you know, give them a little respect, right. But if you can find the spawners and the brim are up there too and they'll chase the brim off. They're, they're mad, and you can almost flip flip up in there then they'll come up and look at it and just keep moving it and making her or him you know it might be the buck come, come and just knock the crap out of it, so that's cool yeah the fish ain't on beds, no more.

Speaker 3

Huh, I mean they are.

Speaker 2

They're in three stages at fork right now, really so when hackney called yesterday dreg gray, hackney called my show, um, he was catching spawning. Uh, of course there's a big post spawn right now. They'll move out to the point, secondary points, they'll move out to shell beds and stuff like. That's why the crankbait was a player. Um, I'm a huge jig guy so I can.

Speaker 2

I always throw a football jig half ounce up to an ounce and just drag it on those shell beds and and what color you like to throw, I like a little shark truce there. And so, uh, green pumpkin with a shade of shark truce in it. Uh, rage crawls one of my favorite trailers. And here's the thing about jig fishing, cause that's where I made my money. I mean, that's where my my thing is is jig. I've got a hundred different trailers and so, depending on how they act or my confidence, I'll just keep switching. And so, depending on how they act or my confidence, I just keep switching. And ever since Dustin Connell and Wheeler got into the picture with their baits, they work pretty good too. So I don't know, have you ever thrown a scrounger? So you know, connell did real well on that scrounger. So put a freeloader on the back of a scrounger and just throw it and just swim it. You know it does this all the way back.

Live Scope Techniques and Fish Behavior

Speaker 4

That's pretty cool. It's basically a minnow. Really it's like a little so you know it has like a bill. When you crank baby down it goes up. So it just makes it just go like that Kind of like a Wiggles. Yeah.

Speaker 1

Basically jigging minnows. So times say we'll all three be on the lake and be fishing and like say the bite's not real good. And then it's like there's a certain point where it just turns on the conditions get right and we're all catching them on different things, different colors, I mean, how big do you think color really plays a factor other than just dark and light colors? Yeah, natural colors right?

Speaker 2

yeah, of course I like to shark true, some of my too and so if the water's a little bit, you know, got a little stain to it, it all depends. When I look at the water, I'm just going to look at if it's stained or clear or whatever.

Speaker 4

Here's Ferry for instance Okay, it's clear.

Speaker 2

It is clear, but right now they've had so much rain that it's a little stained, and so I'm going to throw something, I think, that will be flashy for them, you know, and a lot of it is like I said, I throw a lot of plastics and so I'll shark truce the tail or put a little red on it, you know. Either way, I will tell you this, our fisheries get hammered a lot, and fishing line is huge. You ain't going to believe it, but they can see the line, as we know, and so it depends on what line you like to throw. Um, I mean, you could throw at a fish with, uh, let's just say big game, and she comes up and looks at it, leaves alone, turn around, throw a 10 pound fluorocarbon, she hits it. You know what I mean. So it's fishing line has become huge, especially with the scopers and stuff. Yeah, because you're getting heavily educated Very very.

Speaker 1

Especially when I know sometimes we'll get hung up on a fish scoping because we see the fish. We're trying to catch that fish. We know it's a good-sized fish and it's not doing it. We're just educating it, educating it, educating it, and it knows better.

Speaker 2

Well, you've got to think they can hear the pinging. They have to, yeah.

Speaker 2

And so a lot of those guys will. When they get up there they'll shut everything off and if you notice, if you watch the leech, yesterday these boats were pulling in on some of the guys that were leading. They'll tell them turn off all your electronics. And so these fish are getting, especially our crappie man. You know, when LiveScope and Forward Facing whatever you want to say came out, I knew it was going to be huge for crappie guys. They can go up to it and I've got crappie guys that actually call the show crappie holics and stuff. And so, dustin, down at Lake Greeson we know how clear Lake Greeson is, right, so you can go up to a brush pile and you can pick it to death if you want to. But before live scope, what we didn't know is those fish said they got tired of it. They'll move about 10 feet left or right. So if we didn't have live, scope you're thinking okay, well we're done.

Speaker 3

Well, they're not done.

Speaker 2

They're just right there, right and um, I just knew it was going to be big. And I still say today that the game of fish has got to limit our fish.

Speaker 3

Crappie especially.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, who wants to eat 30 crappie? I don't know. And so the size too. Now I will say this the guys that call my show will tell me straight up if it's a big, huge female, take a picture of it, client, and send it back in the water.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's what we do.

Speaker 2

That's what we do. We put our fish back.

Speaker 1

We don't keep any bass.

Speaker 2

I ain't kept a bass in 30 years.

Speaker 3

No. We just go after you know I enjoy catching them, right Do you keep them Sometimes.

Speaker 4

Sometimes I like to size off of them and here's the deal.

Speaker 2

Someone will tell you you know, keep in two pounders, you know, yeah, I mean nothing big, just small ones yeah.

Speaker 4

That's the way I grew up, though If I don't take some, my grandpa will be frowning on me. That's right. He called me the other day. He's like y'all keeping those fish, y'all caught.

Speaker 1

I'm like yes.

Speaker 2

You're going to get a lot you throw back. I'll say grizz ferry, come a long ways with kentucky's and small mouth is is really the game of fish has done a good job with that. Yeah, so you can go out there and you can catch a three or four pound can uh, a small mouth where you couldn't five years ago.

Speaker 3

Right, yeah, yeah so I also heard they're going to do a locker program here on, so yeah, supposedly yeah when are they gonna start that?

Speaker 2

you don't like that idea. I do love it, but here's the deal. We ever going to see it? All right. So here's the deal. Y'all know anything about Texas, right? Yeah, okay, sher Lunker, they started years ago. Lake Fork I'm saying Lake Fork because that's where I helped guide had 200 brood ponds on it before they flooded it. Okay, all right. So once they got it, where they thought the fish were 8 to 12 pounds, they flooded the lake in 1986. They blew holes in these ponds and of course that's where you want to go fish. You want to go fish during the spawn and then ponds because they can come and go out of that levee. You know it's underwater. So wherever all the guides needed, they all want to know exactly where those are at. Well, anyway, uh, and then they started the. I'm thinking 16 to 24 is the is the slot. Okay, well, listen, a 23 inch fish is eight pounder yes, you got to say hello and put it right back.

Speaker 2

Well, here I ain't saying everybody, but they'll cut the sides out of them. That's what happened to Lake Monticello, you know, it was great and then they put the wrong fish in there and then they had to drain it and now they're redoing it. But there are lakes, lake Conway being one of them. I jacked them around all the time because they ruined that lake by not getting the permits first to fix the dam. They drained it. All these people are mad. They're around Lake Conway Now they don't have a place to fish, blah, blah, blah. And so that would have been a good share of Lunker Lake for sure. Not real deep, stays warm, and it had big bass in it already.

Speaker 4

Biggins. I've caught some big ones. I went to college at UCA and we used to go over there and catch some biggins hey, since you went there, did you ever go to beaver fork?

Speaker 2

yeah, I went to beaver fork.

Speaker 4

Okay, yeah, so that's when he paid five dollars right and it comes up. Yeah, we went there, we switched that little what thursday night or tuesday night, whatever it was drop shot.

Speaker 2

That's on my show. Everybody's got a nickname, by the way, so eugene moore. Yeah, he's, you know eugene, I know eugene, okay, yeah. So, uh, I went, I did a safety boat safety uh, saturday two days ago and, um, I went out there and I caught a five pounder. I mean it's easy to catch fish there, yeah, uh, and now everybody's flooding from conway lake, conway going to beaver fork. Like I said, you gotta pay five dollars, but you know it's worth it.

Speaker 4

Fun place, huge houses, good lord man, yeah, we used to go to conway. I just remember me and ty y Lord. Man, yeah, we used to go to Conway. I just remember me and Ty Y'all met Ty yeah. And we used to go and you put in you never cranked the motor up and you would just wear some good bass out on Conway. You never cranked the motor up. Just go down the bank, frog. Really shaky head green pumpkin.

Speaker 1

It was just fun too.

Speaker 2

so what happened to?

Speaker 3

lake marcello. You mentioned something about lake marcello.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so I had game fish on a couple three years ago, whatever I've been on 10 years, so it's been a little bit and, if y'all remember, they had to drain it. There was a lot of problems. So and I'll never say his name, but off the clock we went outside and he said here's the problem. They were supposed to put florida strain in there and they drop whites in there.

Speaker 3

Oh, wow.

Speaker 2

And so now they're running crazy in there so they had to drain it to get them out.

Speaker 4

So they dropped the wrong fish yeah.

Speaker 3

And they wouldn't say that on live radio, and I don't know who's going to watch this podcast.

Speaker 2

But I don't want to bust them out, but that's what happened.

Speaker 1

That's crazy, holy cow. That's a big mess up.

Speaker 3

Yeah, mess up. Yeah, serious mess up. Yeah, no kidding, costly, very costly. It wasn't only so. What do you don't like about the lunker program for?

Speaker 2

arkansas. I mean, no, I do like it, I just don't know that we'll ever see it in our lifetime. I mean, we talked about this years ago and we should have started something like this a long time ago. So we can, I mean, look at, look at the places that have shared lunker programs in texas or wherever, look at all the resorts and all the restaurants and all them that are getting the benefits off off of this and what we could do, and so what do you mean by benefits?

Speaker 3

for you know our viewers watching what are you talking about benefits well for the the community. Let's just take lake conway you're talking about revenue, oh yeah okay big time extra revenue, yeah, big fish, you know. And he said something about you know it's. You know it's not gonna be in our lifetime, but it has to start sometime.

Speaker 2

Right it is it does and I, I would love to see it, but you're right, start it now and I heard about I heard about the biologist guy that was that was trying to start this.

Speaker 2

I don't know where I've seen it, but I said, yeah, it's great. Now you gotta. You gotta pick a lake first and figure it out. I mean atkins could be one of them. Uh, poinsett, conway, you know, and, and conway is the way it is right now. They drained it. So, if they can figure out, they dropped some gravel over there. I don't know if they spread it out over there, that I don't know if they spread it out, set that lake up for success and it's going to take a while. It may five years down the road, maybe 10 years, and you know you, you just got to operate it the way they do there and you know people can't keep fish and you gotta you know you gotta monitor it. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bass Fishing Stages and Shell Beds

Speaker 3

So but I think the idea of it is that you catch a fish, take the eggs or whatnot, and they, they hatch them. Um, the success rate of that is it's in a controlled environment. Yeah, so you have a better chance of of of putting better quality fish in the water by controlling it. I guess that's what they're trying to do. Yeah, catch a good quality fish. It's just like a deer, right Right, or a dog, so they're just trying to put more fish and increase the chances of catching good quality fish, and you're right about the revenue side of things as well.

Speaker 3

It is good revenue.

Speaker 1

It's like big fish lakes Everybody wants to go.

Speaker 3

plans a trip to go have a chance to catch a big fish. We go to Texas all the time to fish. We do that because of the Lunker Program. I mean we want to catch good quality fish.

Speaker 2

I understand it completely and listen. We've watched this year alone that there's been some tens. Millwood is a good place to catch a good fish, but look at what happened over Lake Fork the last three days of the elites. It took a 30-pound, at least a 30, maybe 34, five-fish limit to even move on. That's pretty studdish. It took a 40-pound bag in Toledo, didn't it? I seen that Saturday.

Speaker 1

Yes, Five fish, 40 pounds. Is that not amazing?

Speaker 3

Is that not crazy?

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 3

I mean, you give somebody.

Speaker 1

You take a random guy and you give them a 40-pound day, a 40-pound sack day that's the best advice.

Speaker 3

So let me ask you this? How in the world you know how it gets all this pressure? How in the world are you still catching 40-pound bags?

Speaker 2

I just think well, I don't know how those guys caught it, but just think what it unlocks. And I don't know how those guys caught it, but just just think what it unlocks. And I know we can use side imaging and all that good stuff. But look at the fish that was caught at fork with with the uh, live scope. They're catching these post spawn. Once the lake settled down. Now they had the gates open. It was crazy. Lake fort don't like current. Once it settled down there was no current. The fish would just suspend off the bottom and they'd just chill. And I think I don't know how they caught them over at toledo b and I'll find out thursday because I'm fishing turbot down there. But um, I just think what we've got in electronics now has unlocked a secret that you can. You can find these big ones. I mean those guys yesterday and Saturday they wasn't looking for five-pounders, they would pass up three to five-pounders to find the eight-pounders. Well, we've never done that before without electronic or without livestock.

Speaker 1

No, I agree, I still wouldn't do that. Catch a five-pounder.

Speaker 3

You have to catch a bunch of five-pounders. You have to be a stud to pass up a bunch of five pounders.

Speaker 4

You look at McKinney Trey he had. So day one he had like 33. Day two he had like 30 again. But day three is when he only had 21 pounds and he's like I don't know what happened, but I'm going to go catch you tomorrow. I passed up a bunch of stuff and yesterday he had 38 in his best five. So he had over 80 pounds of bass. Yesterday he only had like 11 fish.

Speaker 2

It was crazy.

Speaker 4

It was the best day anybody's ever had, but it didn't matter, because he had a 21 pound sack.

Speaker 1

He had 38 the last day. That's crazy man.

Speaker 3

That's wild.

Speaker 4

He called it, he's like I'm going to catch nothing but big ones.

Speaker 3

You think that's why everybody hates forward tracing. I say not everybody, but obviously people that don't take the time to learn it hates it.

Speaker 2

So we got three major circuits out there NPFL bandit Major league, you can use it for one period, bassmasters you can have it the whole time. And the word is Garmin bought into Bassmasters. So guess what.

Speaker 1

It's there to stay right. That ain't going to go nowhere.

Speaker 2

But I watched Matt harron's little podcast and he's kind of been banned from a fishing anymore because he spoke his mind and his big thing is is talking about the leadership at bass masters. They don't, they don't fish, they don't know anything about fishing but they're entertainers and they make money.

Speaker 2

Yeah, we got to that's right, so it doesn't matter. You know, here's the deal. Here's the deal. You know, people are saying well, nobody's watching, nobody's watching it. You know what, if? If you're gonna make me keep it in bass, masters, then put that 22 or 13 or 15 inch monitor back here so the camera can watch what he's doing. So I can see you. You know, here's the thing. I'm tired of looking his back. I'm tired of looking his back. Well, you know what camera go on his screen and now you can see what he's doing. I think that would add to it would definitely add I see a lot of anglers doing that now.

Speaker 3

Yeah, and you know from from getting their name bash, I guess.

Speaker 1

Maybe yeah, but uh no, it would be more entertaining people that don't use it don't understand but, I think, to me.

Speaker 4

It's kind of cool, though, because you look at some of these guys now and like you really might see a 10 pounder anytime you turn live on because they're, they're literally finding them, you know I think it's kind of cool because you know, yeah, like some people throw a frog and you know flipping a bush, every you know just watch people ripping like that but it of cool, you look at a guy and they put him on live, like hey, he's looking at it and he's a sharpshooter, he's hitting the shot.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I've been through with some fish on live scouting. It's not easy. There's definitely a lot of talent behind it.

Speaker 3

When I was a kid I used to go watch the Bassmasters and stuff. I remember Dad taking take me out there and I'd watch all the pros take off in their boats and all the ranger bass boats, you know, and so you know we started building boats and started, you know. You know this it's taken most of my life up, my younger part of my life, but you know, we recently got back into bass fishing pretty hard and all the new technology, you know it's made it, it's made it fun and I and I I can't tell you if I had to go out there and throw the banks or just hope I don't know if I would get into bass fishing. Um it, it makes it more like hunting a fish.

Speaker 3

You know you have options you know you could catch a small fish and go for some big fish, but it's rewarding for me, yeah. So I think people that don't use lascope or don't take the time, if they're just judging the technology, I think they're just judging the technology. I think they're missing out.

Speaker 2

Yeah, no, I'm with you. I think they're missing out.

Speaker 3

Now, I do think there's regulations. I think the number of fish you catch should be regulated. I think, maybe in a pro level, that you're fishing for money. It could be like they're doing now either allow it or don't allow it. Whatever it is, people just make their mind up. But I think it's a good thing. I think it's getting more kids involved, the younger anglers.

Speaker 1

There's tons of great young anglers that learn LiveScope really well.

Speaker 2

Listen, I had Cole Pennington just won Hamilton by himself, and he didn't do it all by live scope, but a lot of it was. Easton Gray is another 14-year-old. These kids are growing up on our live scoping right, yep, and they're freaking studs. I'm telling you they're winning these big tournaments and they're 14 years old.

Speaker 3

Well, they can play video games too, you know, so it's a good thing.

Speaker 4

It's changing. You know it's like the guy that major league fishing. You know, on the day for the championship, uh round he, uh the first two periods of it. You know that only scope one period. He never threw his pole in the water, he just went around and drove his boat around and found fish like on side scan and down scan. And then the last period he turned his scope on and came all the way from last place and got in fifth. You know how much nuts you have to have to do that.

Speaker 1

That's swinging for the fans.

Speaker 3

Not throw for four or five hours. To me I mean you're a military guy, right? So everything you do in life is a strategy. So what's the difference? I mean you have a strategy, this guy, he had a plan, he did something no one else would do, and to me he deserves it.

Speaker 4

Yeah, Because there's no way. I mean he deserves it. The score tracker's going off, ding, ding, ding and you're just sitting there driving around riding in your boat.

Speaker 3

I mean to me, Y'all still hear me. Yeah, that dude did something that no one else would do.

Speaker 4

Yeah, he deserves that I mean he put everything on the table. That's right, he got it because he didn't. I mean he literally did not throw a single pole until his live scope period.

Speaker 3

It's kind of like us in the boat business. We're like, well, let's do it. And the strategy of fishing, it's not fun, you know.

Speaker 1

The way that you learn like what baits do what?

Speaker 2

rapidly learning you know how to fish I mean, it's root for the game of fishing. Live scopes taught so much. Well, the crappie guides are definitely benefiting because they can change colors on the fly, and that's what. That's what you got to do with crappie. Um, we all, we all know they feed up, and so now I'm not dropping it past them, I'm keeping it in front of them, and I said this when it first came out. I said watch out, because five years from now, where we used to catch crappie like crazy, we're not going to anymore because of this. Now I could be completely wrong. Our, our pro guides out there could be, you know, limiting, but if you're going to keep it at 30 per person, well, guess what? They're going to catch 30, and then they're going to do that before lunch and take another client out and catch another 30.

Speaker 3

Yeah, they need to stop that.

Speaker 1

The crappie definitely. I can see catching 30.

Speaker 2

In a small lake and my pros that call in, they'll tell you real quick that you can pick a small lake to death and it will affect it. Now Greer's Ferry or something like that.

Speaker 3

They keep telling me that they spawn so much that we'll never see it go down. Now I can tell you this your expertise, what you're dealing with all the time, isn't what is on the lake. Yeah, so you could take a live scoper like yourself or whoever that's really good at it, and put a normal live scoping guy that just went to you know, just got some equipment he's not on the level that guy is. So a lot of times you got to really think about this. Yeah, because you know we'll go fishing. How many times we've gone fishing? We have 25 pounds of fish in our live.

Speaker 3

Well, and the guy next to us at the boat ramp has the same equipment. He goes. Man, I couldn't get fish to bite, yeah, yeah. So you also gotta remember that too. There's a live scoper and there is a professional live scoper. Yeah, and and to get on the, the professional live scoping level is talent, because you got control the boat, the wind, the color, everything. You gotta know what to throw, when to throw it, when to change or when to gamble. And, uh, never day, joe, blow guy.

Speaker 2

He, he doesn't know that yeah, no, you're right, it takes a serious time. He doesn't know that.

Speaker 3

So you know, I think the live scope does help everybody, but it's only a small portion of people that actually makes a difference yeah you know, because it's just so hard people think people that actually makes a difference.

Speaker 1

Yeah, you know, because it's just so hard People think that shit's easy and it takes a lot of time to get to the point where you're really efficient with it.

Arkansas' Lunker Program Potential

Speaker 2

I like it because I can look in front of me and find brush piles that I've never seen before, and everybody can. Everybody can find that, but can?

Speaker 3

they stay on that brush pile in 30 foot of water or 20 foot of water? No, can. Can they stay on that brush pile in 30 foot of water or 20 foot of water? No, can they make the shot? No. So once they get hung up two or three times, they're going to give up on it.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I've got to know where I like it. When I'm just going down the bank and I look, oh there's one over to the right and I start to catch it.

Speaker 3

It's freaking nuts.

Speaker 4

It's crazy.

Speaker 3

You feel like for a second, you're like Well it's also the random toss too, like you're just going through there and you're on Mach 5 on your trolling motor, right yeah, and you got spinning around and you throw in there and you hit that sun gun in the head.

Speaker 4

You know, nine out of ten people ain't going to be able to do that.

Speaker 3

You know, I don't care what it is. When I do it I'm like, oh my God, I just got lucky, you know, and we fish all the time and and you, you watch, he's a professional dude, they are on a different level, they're just flipping.

Speaker 1

I mean just say they're all flipping over their body.

Speaker 4

Just say, tyler, when we go with tyler, yeah like tyler, freaking like every time I'm, when I'm in the boat, when I'm sitting, I'm missed like two times and I'll hit it then tyler stewart.

Speaker 3

All right, tyler, thanks, thanks. When I fish with Tyler, I just sit down in that boat. I can't even keep up with him.

Speaker 2

I figured out that it's about the knot too. So these guys that are throwing a spin casting, you know, with braid and then fluorocarbon, talking about the knot, you got to have the right knot because that way it won't hang up when you're flipping it out there, you know, and they're so good, aren't they?

Speaker 4

I learned that the hard way. I kept it, kept getting hit on like the end of the rock. That's right, you know.

Speaker 3

I was like, oh my gosh, yeah they're so good and people hate on that live scope shit. I'm like man, you guys don't have a clue. You're hating on it because it's an idea that you don't understand.

Speaker 2

Yeah but it's here. It's here, so it's here it ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 4

They got too much, and if you?

Speaker 1

don't learn it, you're just going to leave yourself further behind. Because, I mean, it's inevitable. It's like phones, when phones came out, like if you didn't ever start using a phone, you're way behind by the time. Everybody else was, you know, I mean. So so do you see?

Speaker 3

do you see it growing? I mean, where do you see the technology going from there?

Speaker 2

I mean I could tell you this. I'm sponsored by icu. That's a new monitor. You can get them at beast outdoor innovation slash fishing stuff in sherwood. So now we can get our 12s up there, right, okay? Well, he makes them in 18, 20 and 22s and you can mirror it.

Speaker 3

Huh, you're talking about yeah about putting it yeah, that's right yeah.

Speaker 2

And so now you know you're looking down there at your 12, and that's fine. You know I'm a little older than you, fellas, and I know you can get something to bring it up, but can you imagine an 18 right here and looking at that little jig or whatever you want to do?

Speaker 3

So I think everybody's going to go well. You've seen some of them on the leads.

Speaker 2

I mean we got 22s on ours. Oh, okay, so you boys are already up there.

Speaker 3

Oh well, we got a big train we got hard eyes.

Speaker 1

Yeah, okay, no, no.

Speaker 3

We got E612s, you got E616s on the guns. Yeah, I was in 22s on the bows. Okay, I mean, we the equipment in the world to use. That's why we understand it. It's hard, yeah, that's why it's hard. And then you know, you go from a 22 to a 12. You're like what the crap? Oh, that's what I'm saying I can't wait.

Speaker 2

I'm actually getting mine hooked up next week after this. Uh, yeah, we're actually sponsored with sea light.

Speaker 3

Sea light builds one similar to it. Okay, they got 12, they got 16s. They got what 16s? And?

Speaker 1

26, 16, 22.

Speaker 3

mm-hmm, okay, yeah and it does make a difference. And b scott, b scott tears his up. Every time he gets a new one, he flips into it must I broke one.

Speaker 1

Okay, the other two got struck by lightning, b scott's on his third he's got his third c light screen.

Speaker 4

Third c light screen, second trolling motor.

Speaker 1

Third here's the thing, and we all know, they're not cheap, so yeah, I know they're not. You know very costly.

Speaker 3

Yeah, a good thing, we're sponsored by everybody, huh yeah okay, havoc boats, yeah, havoc boats.

Speaker 2

Yeah, my son's got one and, um uh, kyle, and of course, sassy shad that's on my show. She comes on now and then she works at, uh, genesis of conway, but anyway, kyle's got a Havoc boat. So great boats. I'm sponsored by Skeeter slash Gregor Marine, which, by the way, is the biggest.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 2

Which is the biggest dealership that has y'all's boats?

Speaker 3

Yeah, so that's cool. He's a great dealer, yeah, so how do you like your?

Speaker 2

Skeeter. So I've been in every boat. Yeah, and I will tell you that, uh, I did get my motor flashed and so it will run. But if you're on big lakes with big water, I want a skeeter or I want a phoenix. Um, I'm sponsored by skeeter. Been been with skeeter 20 years and I like the storage, I like the yamaha, I like the storage, I like the Yamaha, I like the way it rolls, I push them. But if somebody come up and said, well, if you had a second choice, then it would go straight to Phoenix, or you know Phoenix Boats, just because I've been on them too, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3

Yeah, they're on the Phoenix. I got an Icon. I got a Bullet. Okay, all right. Hey, I got an Icon. I got a Bullet.

Speaker 2

Okay, all right. Hey, bullet's a well-built boat we already know. Yeah, icon I don't know enough about, because it's fairly new.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean I like Icon. I mean Icon's a big deck, the loud bells are good and it takes a rough water.

Speaker 2

It's a wheeled boat right.

Speaker 4

Yeah, it takes water, really rough water good, I mean, but uh, it's got a wide deck wide, deck you all the suits on that front deck, you know greg or is a uh icon dealer, and.

Speaker 3

But you know who sponsors us is rtr down there and um orange um, down there, that's who, that's where you guys built it from and that's where I got my icon from, uh, but uh, so our dealers, you know, help us out a lot too. Yeah, um, but you know what was amazing for us and a lot of people say, well, why they've? You know, have glass boats. Well, for us, we understand more of the business. You know what? What will a glass, fiberglass boat give you over an aluminum boat? And then we don't build a boat that's gonna hang with an icon, I promise you, in rough water yeah, you know that's you know, that's a lot of you know a lot of these people don't understand it.

Speaker 3

I don't care what kind of aluminum boat you make, if it, if it doesn't have the weight in the dead rise to shed water, it's going to beat the snot out of you in rough water. And you know, and I'm a aluminum guy, but I'm just telling you, the aluminum technology is not there and the weight for the wind yeah yeah you, you know aluminum boat.

Speaker 1

Heck, you'll stop, you'll start trolling. You get off the trolling motor for one second and you're like all the way to the other direction.

Speaker 2

I would take one though Let me tell you why. If they say, hey, let me get you there's places when I'm guiding, I can't get into with a fiberglass boat. There with a fiberglass boat, yeah, there is a bridge over there that you, you can't get anything under except aluminum boat. Once you get under it and I don't know if you're, if you've heard a christian, chris, christian fisher chick. Yeah, I know he's about christine fish, midwest fishing girl yeah um, she went under it with her kayak and she had like 40 pounds.

Speaker 3

I mean, they're back there, right, and so I think there's certain situations where aluminum is good. Like we build river rats. We build, um, you know, we got 2172s, uh, center console boats. Uh, there's certain situations where, uh, aluminum boat will be good. Um, if you can have multiple boats, yes, I would really consider having one. Uh, but you know, if you're fishing open water, big water boats, 25 mile an hour winds, you know you really need something that's going to be more buoyant. Yeah, you know, it's just the way it is. I mean, I've been doing this for a long time and it's just my, our game, our, our aluminum game isn't where it needs to be for that condition yeah, for that level of fishing and rough water and live scope has took these anglers offshore.

Speaker 3

Yeah, that's right, that's that's the thing about it, and I think a lot of glass companies, I think a lot of the old fiberglass engineering and old designs has been the same since the 80s. So it's it costs a lot for these companies to to to adapt to the open shore fishing style yeah and you know, if you look, if you go to a lake, they're all offshore, they're all offshore.

Speaker 3

So I think the uh, the fishing needs are changing, even in the industry, and I think live scope has done that and I know that's thinking really deep, but majority of the boats are offshore now but y'all concentrate on hunting.

Speaker 3

All right well our, our duck boat line. Yes, I mean we are tiller handle. Yeah, okay, brush jumping, log jumping, hardcore duck hunting is what we're into. We're not into the fishing stuff. You know, now we do build center consoles for like bays and little rivers and and we build a really, really badass jet boat. You know some niche market stuff like river fishing stuff like that.

Speaker 2

Drought fishing yeah.

Speaker 3

But you know catfishing rivers, you know big rivers, but you know open water. Bass fishing is not what we're good at, you know. I'm not saying we won't get good at it, because there's a reason why we maybe have certain things. But you know it's always's always, you know, research and development yeah, I got you learning, learning the uh, learning the uh, what we're about to step into because, like you said, there is a a need for one oh yeah if it

Speaker 3

was done correctly if it was done correctly. There's not a boat out there that I would think it's correctly, compared to an Icon or any boat you all drive. I mean we've been in two or three-foot rollers out there, four-foot rollers or something. Jesus man, I'm sure glad we don't have an RDB out here.

Speaker 2

You know what I mean? We got some pros. Yeah, I think John Cox is one of them that runs one. Yeah, lee Levesy runs one.

Speaker 3

Well, just because they run, one doesn't mean it's the best I know.

Speaker 4

Listen, I mean hell, I would run one if somebody gave me one. Let me tell you, I'm just an honest person.

Speaker 2

One of the big questions when I go to high school is is kids saying how do you get sponsors? And I will tell you this here's, here's a list of mine, right? Um, because I've been doing this for 30 years, I want the sponsors that back me up, that when I call them, they're going to take care of whoever I'm sending. I don't want somebody giving me something and expect me to push it.

Speaker 3

If you don't believe it, that's right. That's the problem. I mean we get the same deal. I mean we get sponsored by people and there's some stuff that we get and we're not going to mention it in the problem. I mean we get the same deal. I mean we get sponsored by people and there's some stuff that we get and we're not going to mention their names. We're like man you know, I don't know about this Because it's your name.

Speaker 2

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Live Scope Revolution in Tournament Fishing

Speaker 3

So I mean, a lot of these anglers got these aluminum boats and stuff like that. There's no way in the world they're saying hey, you know what, this is the best boat on the market bullshit, because there's not one now. Uh, is there ways to make the boat better? Absolutely. There's ways to make your skater better. There's ways to make a havoc better. There's always a better way to make something better, right, so it just depends on who pays you to say what. Um, I guess the you know moral of the person, I mean, I mean what they believe in, you know, could be different, but a lot of these people on social media you see them all the time they're pushing stuff they don't really like. No, you know, and it's just the world we live in.

Speaker 2

Greg or Maureen. I mean, I love Lisa Murphy to death. I'll do anything for her. She goes the extra mile. Yeah, and I want to know that if I sell, if I help and I just sold one for them that they're going to go the extra mile, help them out. The service after the sale means a ton to me, Fletcher Dodge, I'm sponsored by them. I know that Chris and that team, if I send somebody, are not going to blow them off. They're going to help them out and so it's.

Speaker 3

Well, you have a military background too. You're wired different. Yeah, you're wired different. You know I'm a military family too. Okay, so you know military people are wired different. They look at every little thing. You know it's different. You know Four years.

Speaker 2

Four years. Yeah, you know, 40 years 40 years.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it's hard to believe, right? Yeah, so you know it's awesome. There's a lot of good companies out there to work with and obviously you're doing pretty good at it.

Speaker 2

Well, it's been very rewarding. Not all of it's been totally fun, but once I retire January, this January I've retired after 40 years of Camp Robinson. Do you miss it? I miss the people where I was. I was a command sergeant major, so I was in the, the upper part. So if a nco e7 would never see what I see, so I was with the political part, the drama part, what we're going to do if we don't have this money come in from DC type thing, right, right, the training part, the education part, and I don't. I don't miss that because it was every day and it was a lot of pressure.

Speaker 2

Um, so once I retired, uh, my buddy down down at Lake Fork said you've been down here 30 years, fishing 25, 30 years, and you know this lake, maybe not like him, that's been on it every single day for 38 years, but I know it well enough that I can take people out and they can catch fish. We have a good time, personnel alone in the boat. You're going to have a good time, right? Some guys out there. They never say a word and so you've got to be a little different on that, but I've been very blessed. As you know, somebody's truck's out there that's got Havoc boats, it's got your name on it and everything. You have to be somebody. Let's just say you just can't pull up to a strip joint.

Speaker 2

I'm just going to say that I don't know if you can say that on the podcast, but you're not going to pull up there in my truck big swords and go to a strip joint, right, and so there's things you've got to know that there's people watching all the time.

Speaker 1

And then you'll pull up somewhere and people are going to come and talk to you and see what you've got going on. So it's a full-time thing, it is.

Speaker 2

It is. It is and really taking care of your sponsors. You know I try my best to go outside the normal person and do videos all the time and make them known what they're doing. You know this is off the chart but I've never had a video. Just go crazy. And me and my daughter went to Lake Fork two Sundays ago. We only had four hours to fish. She was driving back another truck for me. I said come on, we fish, fish. We had. We had a pretty good time three, four pounders, right. So there's a bridge, 515 bridge, and on the corner, on the apron part of it I'm not kidding 10 feet off of there's a rock hump and every time I promise you guys I'm not saying this because I'm here you get there 30 minutes for dark, put your, put your live scope down and if it's full of bait you're going to catch one, and I ain't talking about small. Well, she caught her pb and that thing went. 490 000 views still rolling yeah, big fish.

Speaker 3

People like seeing big fish, especially when especially when my daughter went crazy.

Speaker 2

Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah that's cool, though.

Speaker 3

People like to feel the excitement and man, I wish I was, wish I could do that, you know. Yeah, that's cool, though. People like to feel the excitement and man, I wish I was, wish I could do that, you know.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's what's so cool about fishing I mean, it's fishing's cool and people are finding spots like that, like you're talking about, like little hidden gems everywhere and it's getting easier to find, you know, with the technology shell beds a huge thing, you know, regardless of what shell bed.

Speaker 3

You mention shell beds a lot. For our viewers, how do you locate a shell bed on a side? Image side scan.

Speaker 2

It's going to be bright. I know you go out there a lot. When you go to a point that's got current shell beds, they're going to be some kind of current there. It's not going to be the back of a hole somewhere 30 feet deep. So main lake points, secondary points, something like that.

Speaker 3

Like a super bright return on your side scan yeah.

Speaker 2

Okay, and then what if you want to just check it out? All right, I'm sponsored by Tackle Zombie. Which is tungsten lures or tungsten butt weights? We all throw tungsten right. Which is tungsten lures or tungsten butt weights? We all throw tungsten right. We'll put you a half ounce or a three-quarter, even ounce, carolina rig on there. Throw it out there what you think is a shell bed, and you're going to know right off the bat how rough it is. And then just hold on. Maybe something will take it from you.

Speaker 4

Like under the bridge. That's cool. That's a shell bed.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3

I mean I've of the bridge. That's cool. That's a shell bed, yeah. Yeah, I mean I've seen shell beds but you know, like, a lot of people probably don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2

Yeah, like, or know when to look, you know when to be. Well, and here's the thing too, and whoever's watching this later on, once you think that's a shell bed and you know it is because you just dragged it, go back around and then look at it on your side. So so remember.

Speaker 3

Now I don't know what you're talking about dragging, so tell us what you. What are you talking about? Dragging something across it, like if you just feel it, just hitting stuff, you know hard.

Speaker 2

So there's two things that I drag is a big jig and a Carolina rig, and I'm not a huge Carolina rig. I like Carolina rig. Well, I use one knot. I don't use you know, know three knots, like some people do.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, so, um, anyway, when you throw it out there, you just let's just take a jig, because that's where the big money is. You throw it out there, let it go to the bottom I only throw football jigs, period and then just get just you know a�2, 8-foot whatever and just drag it and you want that jig head to hit every piece of freaking shell down there, right? You feel it, and when you know it's hitting, you know you're in the right stuff and she's going to be there and she's going to knock it out of the world, unless you live scope it and you can kind of see them suspended. But we also know with our live scopecope that they could be on the very bottom and just keep watching, though, because they'll bubble up now and then like turtles.

Speaker 1

You'll see a little flicker.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and when they do that, go after them.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Speaker 2

It is crazy.

Speaker 3

That's my biggest problem. I'll get hung up on a little spot and I'll be staring at that screen like I know you're in there.

Speaker 1

I know you're in there. I know you're in there. Then I started talking to us. Oh, I see you when you first, when you first start live scoping the big, the number one problem you're gonna have live scoping is throwing at fish that aren't bass.

Speaker 1

Yeah, here we go, the number two thing you're gonna do you're gonna see a bass. You're gonna get hung up on it for an hour trying to catch that one fish, yeah, and once you overcome those things, though, like you get used to seeing okay, that's a bass, that's probably a crappie or that's a gar, you know catfish man.

Speaker 2

I was catching catfish in trees. I'm thinking I'm throwing a jerk bait through there and wham, um, but look, I, I was, I was looking at that, you know, uh, the military, if, if, I could. The military where all this started was. I was hooked up. I was not a recruiter and I told them you'll never make me a recruiter. Oh, but you got to get. You'll never make me a recruiter, you're a talker and you're going to tell me I had to put four people in a month, or else you take that away and I'm freeloading, and you take that away and I'm freeloading, I can go out and do what I want.

Speaker 2

Don't hang four people over my head, I ain't going to do it. But what I did do is help out the marketing people. And so I got a boat. I got it wrapped in National Guard. I would take people fishing, recruits that may want to be joined. They could get in the boat with me. We'd go fishing whatever Arkansas River. And so I got the idea let me go to Channel 4. This is where it all started.

Speaker 2

So I walked into Channel 4, and I said who's the head? Honcho, and I think his name was Austin. This is 18 years ago. So I knocked on his door and he said yes, sir. I said hey, I'm Vince Sarge, and there's one thing that 4-7-11 don't have. He said what's that? I said a fishing report. He looked at me. He goes so what are you thinking? And I said give me three minutes during the news. I don't want a commercial, I want it during the news, after sports. So people are watching and give me a shot and let's see what happens. And so, all right, I'm gonna get you booker. So he gave me some guy.

Speaker 2

We went down to, uh, the ramp. Yeah, and I'm thinking I don't even know what to do. The guys are like I don't know what to do. I said, well, let's go on the water and we'll do one live, right. So we did 18 takes. Later we finally got it down. Well, now, of course, it's one take, one take only right, right, right. And so it went from that. I'm still doing it today. Uh, like you know, I've got to fish that term it down in toledo, so I'll do two weeks in a row of fishing reports.

Speaker 2

And so they aired at noon and it's shit and it's shown in uh which I didn't know this for a long time shreveport, missouri and oklahoma, because they're sister states. So when they're watching me they're wanting to know why I'm not giving a report on Toledo Bend. But I didn't know. I thought it was just Arkansas. So we fast forward to Tommy Smith. We all remember Tommy Smith, magic 105 and the Buzz.

Speaker 2

He asked me to come in and talk about the Army. I said all right, so I walked in. I was in uniform and he goes oh God, you know, thomas, I will call you big Sarge, is that okay? And that's kind of where the name stuck Right, and so that's where it started as far as the name.

Speaker 2

And then, after channel four, I went to Justin Acree and I said, okay, it's working on TV because everybody's watching. They wouldn't leave me on this long. How about we do it on radio? Yeah, it's all sports. I said, man, come on, I tell you what Y'all listen to the buzz.

Speaker 2

Randy Rainwater. Yeah, drive time. I'm going to put you on with drive time from 6 to 6.30. Let's just give you a shot. He didn't think anything of it, right? Okay, well, before football.

Bass Boats: Aluminum vs. Fiberglass

Speaker 2

So we went three months and his rating from 6 to 630 skyrocketed just to listen to a Fisher Report for 30 minutes. That's all we did. We didn't go into all this other crap. So Randy called me at the house on a sale and he goes Sarge. I was letting you know, I got to let you go. Football's about to start and we're all about football. You know, thanks for coming on. I said, all right, well, that was fun, I didn football. You know, thanks for coming on. I'm saying, all right, well, that was fun, I didn't get paid anyway, right? So justin acre, he called me. He said, all right, we're going to give you sunday. I ain't got a clue if there's anybody listening on sunday morning because it's all espn, but we're going to give you from 8, 30 to 10 and let it rock and roll. Well, I'm on my 10th year, that's good that's awesome.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's cool how that all unwinded. You know, from the very beginning, just walking up say, hey, I know what you don't have. Yeah, and now fast forward. And you've been doing it it's been.

Speaker 3

Enjoy it. I mean, obviously you enjoy it. Yeah, it's cool, you know yeah, it's.

Speaker 2

And and here's the thing about guiding you know I'll only do it to help rick out, because you know he's such a good friend and he's the best on the lake. Uh, we, I get to meet. You know, I had aifornia group last, last week, and and there's just a bunch of cool people out there it is you know it is I'm not saying all of them, I mean I mean yeah I'm sure you're right.

Speaker 3

I'm sure there's a few, that's like I get out my boat, you can't get on my boat, I mean guide.

Speaker 2

Fishing is not easy. It's not, it ain't. There's a lot of pressure because they're paying you a lot of money to catch a fish, and when you go to Lake Fork, I don't want the two-pounder, I came here to catch a big one, and it's not just about you finding a fish, it's their ability to catch a fish. Well, there is the problem.

Speaker 3

And so.

Speaker 2

I had a bunch from Nebraska. It was a mom and dad, two sons. The kids were track stars, never fished in their life. And I said you've never fished in her life, yeah. And I said you've never fished in your life. And you come to lake fork yeah, it's on the bucket list, so we're gonna do it. So I basically had to teach them how to do a spinning reel on lake fork a spinning reel. And then mama came up and I and I knew I knew my heart. There was one. They were spawning on the old you. I love old boat ramps that they never use anymore.

Speaker 2

So I got that jig, I threw it out there and I hand it to her. She's up front with me. She goes what do I do? I said just drag it back real slow. Just I want you to feel everything, okay. I turned around, looked at him. I said you okay, back there. Oh yeah, I'm all right. I turned around. I threw that way. Her line was over here. I said you got a fish? No, I don't feel nothing. I said set the hook. It was five pounder.

Speaker 4

You know that's all she needed.

Speaker 1

See, you know, that's what's so hard that line jump and whenever you're responsible for them to have you know the outcome that are looking for that they're paying for.

Speaker 3

Yeah, you gotta charge them.

Speaker 1

I'm telling you, man, stakes are high. Yeah, you're like are you even gonna be able to throw this pole half?

Speaker 2

the time it's no. And here's the thing if it's bad fishing, they'll never hit it on the tarp, so you got to flip it in their form.

Speaker 3

I guarantee it. So how many times have you took people out and not charged them because they just could not get it together?

Speaker 2

Well, this is my first year and it ain't happened yet. I had a client catch an 8.3, tipped me. Well, for his personal best and everybody that's gone in my boat, they've at least caught some. But for his personal best and everybody that's gone in my boat, they've at least caught some. But I'm trying to do stuff easy. Carolina rig. I know it's a little tough but it's dragging.

Speaker 1

It's simple for the user.

Speaker 2

Yeah, crankbait but they weren't on a crankbait.

Speaker 3

Now they are Crankbait's pretty demanding though the energy it is to throw it and your wrists are hurting.

Speaker 2

Top water, top water, oh my gosh, one would blow up on it. And you're looking at them. What are you doing, set? The hook, you know uh, but uh, if the weather's right, they come there. Here's the thing. They come there for the experience. I've got a good looking skeeter. They get in the boat. Um, I don't blow them away on the way back. I'll teach them live scope, just like I did with the A-Rig. It's real simple because they can see it.

Speaker 3

But it just has to be so cold. It's like maybe you catch it, I don't know. But A-Rig is easy, you know.

Speaker 2

Well, I did it so he could see it. Yeah yeah, yeah. And I had a tire reef that was about 18 foot deep and you don't know what's in there until you run something here's, here's the tires. You don't know until you run it over it whether they come out of them tires. And so this is what he did he, I threw it, he goes I see it, I see it, I see it all right, bring it down.

Speaker 2

Bring it down his way up here. He brought it down, he started bringing it right above and all these fish started coming out watching. I don't know what they were, they didn't hit it.

Speaker 1

But at least he got to see what he was doing he understands how it works.

Speaker 4

You're thinking thank.

Speaker 1

God Put it on the show, baby Put it on the show. I needed that.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah, but it's also fun helping people too. I can tell you like to help people and you like to be involved. It's very rewarding.

Speaker 2

when the guy caught it and his son was high-fiving, they were taking pictures. They were sending it back to their family. That part's great. It don't get no better than that. But what you don't know is when you meet them that morning at the restaurant and you're looking at them and they're looking at you and all right, let's get in the boat.

Speaker 3

And they're scared. You don't know, yeah, but they're scared shitless too. They don't want to disappoint you either.

Speaker 1

Like man, he's going to know. Yeah, they want to know.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it's like he's going to know.

Speaker 1

I've never fished before, you know, and they're like dang, I can see both sides, you know it'd be nerve-wracking doing it if you never done it before, and also for your end.

Speaker 2

You know you got them out there on a boat that and remember this because some of y'all go down there. But, um, I met him three years ago. It's coastal blue persuasion out of fort morgan, golf shores, orange beach area, okay. And uh, he said, all right, I booked a lot of people through your show, so get your butt down here, I'll go. In september we got on the boat, my friends came with us and we went out to an oil rig and every one of us could throw. Even you know, my wife fishes with me. She could throw right, he goes, boy.

Speaker 2

You don't know what kind of relief this is, you know, because he goes through the same thing freshwater does right yeah, the only thing is out there instead of you know, because I don't want to just pull up to a place and just drop the line and hit the ground and you know, bobble it catch fish. Anybody could do. Right, I want to throw something at that old rig and catch something and it really worked out good. He's another Rick Carter. Rick Carter's the guy at it for Well, captain Frank is the one down at Saltwater and when you see them you know they're two skinny dudes, great personalities, and they can catch fish yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it makes it easier when they know what you're doing.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Absolutely. It also makes you feel bad too when they don't and they're not catching fish and they're paying you. So it's a lot of pressure. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure. I guarantee I don't want no part of that.

Speaker 1

But you never know, you know that person you might take and started doing them themselves. You know, oh yeah, Live scope is good for that.

Speaker 3

It is good yeah Once people can see what they're actually doing then they'll enjoy it.

Speaker 1

You know I'm ready to go fishing now. I'm talking all this fishing. You got a tournament coming up, so here's the thing.

Speaker 2

Bob Seeley started Seeley's Big Bass and we're talking 1.5 million. He don't play, I'm talking about. Every hour is huge, and before I never could fish these because I was always military trained. I was military trained and so Rick knows Toledo. Larry Nixon, of course, calls the show he used to guide there, and so I don't know if y'all know this, but Toledo is 90 miles long, god almighty. Long, long Woo.

Speaker 2

Anyway, he's got some holes and I said well, chris wants us to come down there, so I'm leaving Thursday. I'll get there about 5 o'clock. There's a whole bunch of vendors that want to meet me and we'll do some videos, and then Friday is when it starts. I've only missed my radio show one time in 10 years, so I'm giving it to Drop shot and carolina rig and whoever, whoever else. We can get in there to uh do it. But I am going to do a live feed. If you watch chris sound dean and I don't have the technology nor the money to do this starlink thing that they put on, yeah, yeah and so when chris, when chris took off at lake fork, you seen him sitting there all the way to running to fishing for eight hours.

Speaker 2

okay, so you're either going to like it or you're not going to like. If you're like chris, you're going to watch them, right, right, yeah, so what I wanted? I don't have all that, so I'm setting up my youtube with the thing and then, you know, once we sit down, I'm going to have it plugged in hot and I'm going to try my youtube channel and just see what happens. Yeah, because we will catch fish and we know that somebody caught a 15-pounder out there or something.

Speaker 1

Goodness, I mean it's going to cut it.

Speaker 2

Sam Rayburn, 11-4, won the Sealy Big Bass. And so I have to stop guiding in June just so I can fish the Sealy Big Bass on fork in September. You got to stay off the water. Well, you can't guide for 90 days. You can be on the water, you just can't guide for 90 days. I'm telling you guys, I'm going to try to win that puppy. I hope you do. You're talking about an offshore bite and you get a hold of these ponds and stuff and you fish A lot of these guys let. And you get a hold of these ponds and stuff and you fish a lot of these guys.

Speaker 2

let's say that's a pond they put brush piles around the you know the levee part of it, man, it's good fishing, oh yeah give me all fired up, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1

Maybe we're gonna go to lake fort.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I'm ready to go fishing about yeah, I'll find these ponds, you know, yeah I don't know what we're looking for now, don't you know?

Speaker 4

about the ponds? I know nothing about it. I've only been like for once. Well, I woke up like one o'clock, drove down there. What are?

Speaker 2

y'all running like lorance hummingbird uh hummingbird we have garmin, I got just okay so lorance don't I'm not sure about the other ones rick carter on his, on his uh steering wheel here uh 12 has lorance, and then he has a garment up front, but he has what you call a pre-empowerment chip. Pop it in. It's got everything when the lake wasn't full.

Speaker 2

So you see, you see houses, you see road, roads. You see, because I'm wondering how in the world is he running 500 yards from the buoy? Well, he said well, look over here, you look over there, it ain't nothing but a cowfish, just a field. There's no trees. And so can you imagine if everybody could get a hold of something like that, because that's where you see the ponds, yeah, and the fence lines or anything that you would never see unless you went out there and did a whole bunch of scanning?

Speaker 3

I'll be now. Yeah, I didn't know those chips?

Speaker 4

I know there's people sell chips like that. Does he sell his?

Speaker 2

uh, they actually sell them right there at lake fort marina. Two hundred dollars, something like that, for that chip. I'll be damn well worth it.

Speaker 1

You know it like. Save you a lot of time somebody getting 600 bucks I was just thinking that it was. It would save you two hundred dollars of fuel scanning you know oh yeah, save more than I say your lower unit the new update on hummingbird.

Speaker 2

So I got two hummingbirds. I got two 12s here I got a 12 and then my garment on top of it. So the new chip or not the new chip, but the new update that I did when I put in at lake fork about three months ago. I'm looking at all these dots, these dotted lines and I'm going.

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Speaker 2

No, it can't be my old trails, it wasn't, it was the boat lanes going into. Y'all been on fork, you know how it's just like conway right. So when you're running you can run into actual cove. Now follow that dotted line and you can get all the way the back where, before once you come off the channel, shut her down, get you something to drink. It's going to take you 10 minutes, yeah yeah, now you just run it.

Speaker 1

That's cool. That's cool, yep. Well, I'm pumped up, I'm ready to go. Yeah, we're actually leaving tomorrow where y'all headed, uh, cany.

Speaker 3

Oh, that's right, cany all right yeah we're doing Road to the Pro, road to Pro starts. That's right. Have you told them about that?

Speaker 1

Yeah, we mentioned it a little bit earlier, but basically Tyler Stewart's going to be taking us under his wing and coaching us and getting us three ready for tournaments.

Speaker 3

Okay, yeah, big tournaments. He's going to basically teach us the fundamentals. You know the what to do, what not to do, and you know, we know a lot, but we don't know that pace because help me out he's.

Speaker 2

He's y'all going to fish tournaments or you're going to podcast tournaments?

Speaker 1

to fish tournaments.

Speaker 3

You're actually going to fish. I mean, we actually go all the way, you know because we fished alongside tyler.

Speaker 1

Just you know fun fishing right and you know we compete against ourselves for the most part. And just the way he moves, the way he adapts to what's going on, is a completely different level.

Speaker 3

You know the way I see it. You know, there's a lot of kids out there that wants to do that or do what you're doing. You know, and I think it's a way to show people that it's possible. You know, I'm 46 years old, yeah, you know. And so for me to do something like that, it would be crazy to learn it. And is it possible for a pro to take somebody on their wing for six months and make them tournament ready? I mean, can it be done? Or is it all talent? What is it? And here's the thing I mean you it be done?

Speaker 2

Or is it all talent? What is it? And here's the thing I mean. You're talking about different types of climate, weather types. So is six months going to get you covered down for when there's a tournament, when the water temperature is 40 compared to when the water temperature is 90? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3

Yeah, but can he teach you all that? Can he fish? I mean, you're right.

Speaker 2

You're saying that the water temperature right now is in the upper 70s and it's going to get down to 40, 50. Yeah, so what's your strategy? So, when you pull up to a lake, what's your strategy?

Speaker 3

Yes, break the lake down. Can normal people break a lake down and find fish? Because you know what else I do? You can go to a random lake and not catch a fish, but you watch the pros. They'll go in there and catch 22 pounds.

Speaker 2

So what do they do?

Speaker 3

And I think to make a show out of that it would be pretty cool. Like what goes through a professional's head, Like how does he break this down? How does he deal with the pressure? I mean, he's fishing for money. That's how he makes a living. That's going to be interesting.

Speaker 2

That's going to be interesting. That's going to be fun. It's going to be a cool show. It's going to be exciting.

Speaker 3

Also, tyler will bring other anglers in to judge us like American Idol.

Speaker 2

Like score you, yeah, score you.

Speaker 3

How is Tim dealing with the deepwater fishing? How is Darrell's not huge on live scoping? Of course I do, is you know, uh, daryl's not huge on live scoping, you know? Uh, of course I do. I love it, so he had his weaknesses.

Speaker 3

I got my weaknesses and he got his weaknesses. Um, so we'll be able to judge each other. You know, say, hey, man, you should be throwing this, you should be throwing this. I mean, try this, your line's too thick. You know what kind of pole you're throwing. Yeah, I mean you know, so there's a lot to it. You know the technology and the hooks. And yeah, I mean you know, so there's a lot to it. You know the technology and the hooks and fishing line. Like you said earlier, you don't want to throw a six, six with a five

Speaker 4

xd, yeah, yeah somebody may have, may not have done that.

Speaker 2

It was tough everybody has a confidence bite yes and if you don't, you need one, I got mine, yeah, yeah I mean he throws it almost all the time and in some situations shake, it's not gonna get it done yeah

Speaker 2

you know it does a lot, though nine times out of ten yeah yeah, if I can't get bit, I'm putting it, I'm picking it I mean, you know rick's the best out there and for clients that never fished for their in their entire life, he'll throw a wacky all day for them to catch fish. And they will catch fish all day, yeah. So, um, and there's different ways you can rig it so they don't get hung up.

Speaker 4

Yeah, wheel is wacky everybody's on the nico train now, which is pretty much the same thing, yeah you're right, it is well I've scoped, brought that.

Speaker 1

You know, that's one thing that really started getting pushed through.

Speaker 2

I've scoped yeah, freaking nico everybody's turning nico now I was watching him yesterday where he was actually looking and he was throwing a crankbait. So you know it's it's different.

Speaker 3

Yeah, that's kind of crazy. Well, I'm not a big crankbait thrower. That's something I want to throw.

Speaker 4

I got pissed off that they throwing it they wear you damn hard you wear you out like you're my.

Speaker 1

It stupid To do that for eight hours straight.

Speaker 2

Yeah Well, especially a big one.

Speaker 1

Or a Gladbait. Oh yeah, You're drinking a 6XD all day.

Speaker 3

Throw a.

Speaker 4

Gladbait. Tyler got on one knee.

Speaker 3

He's like, I'm like no, you got to have one knee. That's too much. That's what it takes. He's just burning.

Speaker 4

He, I'm burning it. I got a five in here. If that's what it takes, I don't want anything to do with it. Tyler, you're sweating dude.

Speaker 1

You're done for the day and your hands are all cramped up.

Speaker 4

Just give me a big gig or something.

Speaker 2

I know we've been on an hour. Can I mention?

Speaker 3

anything Go ahead so.

Speaker 2

Tackle Zombie guys, listen, I'll have a discount code for you. But we all need tungsten weights for you, but we all need tungsten waste. We know, uh, pro glide is, is cleans your boats and stuff. He's a cool dude. Uh, he's got the biggest car wash in hot springs on hignett ferry called pro glide beast. Outdoor innovations I told you about them. He makes all the mounts and does all the wiring. Gregory marine, of course, fletcher, dodge, california jigs I put I make, he makes my own jig. So if I come up with a weird color, then he does it for me and he'll do it for y'all too. So that's, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2

Shelter, insurance, jamie marsh, stanley's hardware, moitz, rv, fishing stuff, holiday in suites of russellville, icu monitors, lake fork, marina, monster lithium what kind of batteries y'all running? Pro guide is what I run. So hold on, lose real is my last one. So here's, here's the thing. I had a pro glide back there. I had two monsters, 36 tied together, okay, 72, and then I had a pro glide. Well, I was fishing god, if you believe this with clients in my freaking motor, just. But I mean I had no power whatsoever. So here's a little tip always keep your power pack in there.

Speaker 2

So I went back there and you know, it started up and everything, and I'm like man, there's something wrong. There's something wrong. So, uh, I called uh Dustin who, uh, has got a guy service there at Lake Greeson, crappie guide, and he goes call Randy at Monster Lithium because you need to be taking care of what you're doing. So I called him, he's right there in Arkadelphia, get your butt down here. So I did, and he replaced my two 36s and he gave me a starting battery. Didn't know it, they have a starting battery Monster Lithium. And then you know our big old charging systems that we have. Well, this one's like this and it's not even that heavy, and so all that weight's gone. And I promise you guys, I fished three days, forgot my, forgot my extension cord, and it was still 70 percent wow that was all day and so, uh, you know, I know monster lithiums.

Speaker 2

You know lithium batteries are pricey anyway. But anybody listening and watching?

Speaker 3

give Randy a call. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah, and we need a list of all of your sponsors.

Speaker 1

That way, our guys can put them in the video. Oh, okay.

Speaker 2

That'd be nice, absolutely and Big.

Speaker 1

Sarge, thanks for coming, man.

Speaker 2

Man, listen, y'all just ain't around to block and I'm sorry it took me this long.

Speaker 1

Oh it's okay, everybody's busy.

Speaker 2

It's only an hour and a half. I live in Beebe, but this was fun. I appreciate it. I will say this Anytime that I have another boat company I have to call Lisa I don't want to burn, no bridges. Well, Lisa's a. Oh, you know what she told me she goes, they're huge baby get over there I'm headed that way, she's all about some havoc. I promise you she said just let me know when it's going to be aired.

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Speaker 3

And somebody told me monday yeah, yeah, yeah she's awesome, yeah, yeah yeah, I think her and my wife talks a lot yeah, I know they got phone numbers.

Speaker 2

I know that good looking lady too yeah, she could be a model for the havoc boats hey, anytime they got them they got them hey we do have a bikini, uh, um, swimsuits coming out pretty soon.

Speaker 3

Yeah, they're coming out here pretty soon, so for summer y'all get ready uh, they're black and green, I guess, and they got havoc logo on them so it's gonna be good stuff.

Speaker 4

All about the bikinis now big stars for everybody listening that want to find you. How can we find you on social or wherever?

Speaker 2

okay. So, um, I do have big stars, but vince cheryl s-h-e-r-r-i-l-l is facebook, tiktok is big dot, sarge 64, and what I'm trying to build up is youtube.

Speaker 2

That's where you make money yeah and that's uh, fishing with big sarge youtube channel. So, fish with big sarge. I will be live as, if best my knowledge how to do this, I will be live during the sealy big bass uh, friday, saturday and sunday, so you watch us. Watch us catch fish. If we don't catch fish, whatever. But youtube is is where the money is. Hopefully you catch fish. I think we're going to catch fish, but and here's the thing, he's got a ditch that he promised me Listen, and he used to. I mean, he was an FLW pro. He said get your jig and get your crankbait, but the beauty is they're only five minutes from the ramp. So these guys that are going to go way up here or wherever it's going to take them, you know, we may have a four-pounder, we can run in there and bust an hour.

Speaker 1

Just pay my may have a four pounder, we could run in there, bust an hour just just paid my money back and then after that's all right, yeah, that's right, I got you. I don't, I don't blame you.

Speaker 4

There sounds like a good game plan to me just get your four pounder every hour and get some money, that's right. Get some money every hour, that's the real winner.

Speaker 2

Yeah, absolutely why it's not both man, I appreciate y'all. Thank you for coming and guys.

Speaker 1

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