TAME YOUR TILLER, BOAT SETUP | Ep070 | Off The Clock with B Scott

We tackle one of the most common sources of confusion for duck boat owners: getting the perfect setup for your specific model. From understanding the differences between VJSTs and RDBSTs to mastering the art of boat balance, we provide straight talk on what really matters for performance.

• Different Havoc models serve different purposes – VJSTs are utility boats while RDBSTs and Mod 40s are designed for performance
• Balance point is critical – finding the right weight distribution is more important than just adding horsepower
• Setback isn't just about water flow to the prop, it's about using the motor's weight as counterbalance
• Heavier performance boats actually carry less weight than lighter models due to Coast Guard regulations
• Most setup problems come from trying to make entry-level boats perform like premium models
• Prop selection matters – quality stainless steel props outperform cheap aluminum options
• The internet is full of misinformation – social media setups aren't always practical for everyday use
• Use a bathroom scale to measure your boat's tongue weight and adjust for optimal performance

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Transcript

Introduction to Boat Setup Discussion

Speaker 1 0:00

It's 5 o'clock and you're off to call Uncle B Scott. Today we got Michael Shockley, daryl Moore and Tim Scott. We're doing something a little different here. Alright, it's episode 70. So what we're going to do is we'll put a post on our Arkansas Attilio handle page to call in about setup questions. We're talking about boats here. So you know, everybody knows the different models we make. Some people might not know, but they're all setups to achieve different things and a lot of people are confused and don't know about them.

Speaker 1 0:25

So what we're going to do is we're going to answer questions, we're going to take calls and we're going to hopefully get as much lined out as we can Now. Obviously, it's something we're going to do a little bit more of because it just goes so deep, there's so much to it and we can't possibly cover in one episode. So please smash the Like button if you like and enjoy this information, and we'll make sure to do more of it. But before we get into it, make sure you check out the gear shop and hit the like. Hit the subscribe button, guys. We're at 3300. That's huge and we couldn't do without you, guys. So we're gonna keep going and really, let's get right into it.

Speaker 2 1:01

So what we're doing today? Guys, it would give somebody some courtesy call like they've seen all right. So what we're doing, guys, what we're doing here, is we're doing today, guys. I think it would give somebody some courtesy to call Like they've seen somebody else All right.

Speaker 1 1:06

So what we're doing, guys, what we're doing here is we're going to talk about boats, we're going to talk about setups and we put an Arkansas Artillery Handle page that, hey, y'all can call in during this podcast and ask questions. So we're going to talk about the difference between the VJSTs, the RDBSTs, what they're designed for and really performance setup, Because a lot of people don't understand how it works or what model is right for them, and that's what we're going to be talking about. Now. We might get interrupted by people calling in and asking questions. I hope a whole bunch of people call. What do you think? You think a lot of people are going to call Dad? I don't know, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 1:38

I hope they do, but I think it's a lot easier to text on your telephone than actually talk in person, and this is a page that has a lot of haters in it. It has a lot of haters. We invite the haters, of course, but you know it's a lot different talking shit on the Internet than actually calling somebody and talking shit to them, Especially on the podcast.

Speaker 3 1:57

On the podcast, but I'm looking forward to it. I think last night I mean a lot of this drummed up from last night uh, there was a tiller post, uh, between who was it? Shockley?

Speaker 5 2:10

evan yukon denali or I can't pronounce it last all right.

Speaker 3 2:13

So so I didn't know who this guy was and you know, and I was reading all this stuff they're talking about. Don't need 10 inches of this, don't need 10 inches that, whatever. Um, of course, you see on facebook all the time these people that I mean. They just think they know everything, you know him.

Speaker 5 2:30

He races the four-star class of races.

Speaker 3 2:33

You're right. And after talking to the guy I was thinking last night, here goes another guy. I didn't recognize his name. Well, I PM'd him. I said hey man, shoot me a text message, I'd like to talk to you. Well, when he shot me a message, hell, I heard his number on my phone. I talked to him. I talked to him several times.

Speaker 5 2:49

He's a pretty good guy.

Speaker 3 2:50

He's a good guy and after I talked to him I said shit, I didn't know that was you man, what's up. And after I talked to detail, he knows what he's talking about. Oh, yeah, he does, but there is a little bit misleading. You talk to a guy. You talk about a racer that will put a boat on a track for 660 feet. That's a different mindset than 98% of the public.

Speaker 4 3:16

That buys their boats. Right, it is.

Speaker 3 3:17

Right.

Speaker 3 3:22

I think a guy that puts a boat on the 660 track. That's two percent, yeah. And if and if we were building boats just for those people, we'd be out of business, right, I agree. So you know, I think his point of view of setting a boat up is still yes, it may be correct for what he's doing, but for the everyday joe blow that buys a boat, that's not what he needs to do and especially, you know like, with his setup, most people that are going to have a VJST it's more of a utility boat do a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

Speaker 1 3:49

Our RD-BSTs and our Mod 40s are designed for performance. So if you start with a VJST frame and you're looking to get performance out of it, that's on the same level with like a Mod 40 or something you're not going to get done with six inches setback.

Speaker 5 4:12

No, you're not. Just because the hole is not designed for that, not with a factory hole. Now you go cutting and doing this, doing that, you might can't. There's a guy in south carolina whooped some ass with a vj at the races. Yeah, he did. Uh, but for your 98 of the people somebody calls in, we're not going to set your boat up like that.

Speaker 1 4:25

If you roll around the river and you've got a VJST, you know you've got a girl, an ice chest, a dog, whatever a couple of chairs, you know six inch setback it's not going to be enough because there's too much weight, there's not enough, more likely not enough power. Now a souped-up two-stroke on the back, that's screaming. And you had the right weight ratio. You might could do it with six inches, but I still think it'd be pretty hard.

Speaker 5 4:48

I just had a buddy of mine's up not long ago with a 150 motor on it a strong motor and it still took 10 inches to set back to get it run right you know what a lot of people don't understand, though.

Speaker 3 5:05

Even if you've got a strong motor and a big prop, big blade of prop, whatever, and you're holding enough water to pick that front end up, when that thing blows out, it's violent. Oh yeah, so you know, I tell people all the time. I mean, you go out there and you can buy six thousand dollars worth of mud tires right, they're good quality tires. You spend six thousand dollars. Well, take 25 cents of weights off of it.

Speaker 5 5:23

See how good them tires are, see how good those tires are.

Speaker 3 5:26

So I think a lot of people don't understand that because you're toting the nose, you're holding that nose up with your horsepower. You're actually robbing horsepower from your prop and when that thing blows out, when that prop loses that water pressure and that rake hits that water, it's what's going to hook up.

Speaker 5 5:44

An 80-degree hole is not forgiving when it comes to that it's not designed for that it's not, it's not.

Speaker 3 5:50

You know, you know, uh, you know we go duck hunting, we go deer hunting. And when I go deer hunting, uh, especially on hunting public, uh, water, you know, you know, deer hunting, I like a vj I like and a lot of people don't understand the difference between the models.

Speaker 3 6:07

You've got a heavy-duty MSDC. You've got an RDBST. You've got a Mod 40. You've got the Marshrunner or whatever. Then you've got the lightweight VJs. Well, you could pile that boat full of shit, right? So you take a 1756 VJ and by Coast Guard, you fill the boat full of water. How many gallons it is to fill? It is what that boat maximum capacity. You divide it by five, right? So you take the same boat and then this one's a lot heavier and that boat's twice as heavy as that VJ. It's literally going to carry less weight. You know the heavier boat's going to carry less weight. So there's actually a purpose right between the weights of the boats and I think a lot of people don't understand that yeah you know you could pile the weight in the vj and she'll carry the load.

Speaker 3 6:54

You can't pile the weight into an mscc because she's built to take the beating yeah, yeah, it's a total, different pivot point. It's totally different, you know. You know, just for setup, I'm just talking about load capacity. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I mean the setup. I'm just talking about load capacity. Oh yeah, you know, I mean the lighter the boat, the heavier the load. I mean it's a lot deeper than that. A lot of people don't understand that the pivot point of the boat, the balancing point of the boat, is way different.

Speaker 1 7:17

Well, I'll tell you what. Let's explain a setup from start to finish. Let's take like a 1653 vjst for example, say a 50 horsepower four-stroke, because most people that's what they're gonna have nowadays. Uh, let's, let's build that setup so that everybody can kind of see how we would do it from the start. And we're talking about like a regular built boat.

Speaker 1 7:37

You know, you got a gun tray, you got a mid-deck top hatch for hunting. You know, uh say, you're gonna be carrying a little bit of gear. You know, not crazy, but just a little bit of gear. Let's start from the get-go, all right. So you got the 50 horsepower Tatsu, whatever.

Speaker 1 7:53

Right, if I was duck hunting out of it and I knew I was going to have some gear and I wasn't worried about, you know, toting the nose on the sandbar, I would go with like a six inch setback. You know, hydraulic jack place. I can get the motor up and out if I need to, and I will be okay with that. Yeah, you know, because what that's going to allow you to do is you're going to be able to come out of the hole. Good, you're going to have adjustment with the jack plate. You're going to be able to uh, jack it up and run shallow, you know if anything, maybe some wedges, positive, positive wedges, right, if you need more trim that's what it usually comes down to is just the amount of trim you actually have and take that boat right there.

Speaker 1 8:33

And if you were to take that boat and the way it ran, it would run good in the hunting season, be able to turn real well, it'd clean up and ride. But then you take that boat and you want to go to the sandbar. I would think the only thing other than maybe a prop that you need to change would be the jack plate.

Speaker 5 8:47

Add more setback, oh yeah 100%, just to help leverage it and clean it up more. And I would say 75% of the people would just change the prop and be happy with it.

Speaker 3 8:57

You know why they change the prop? Because TikTok, it's the easiest thing to change yeah.

Speaker 2 9:05

It's the easiest thing to change. Yeah, it's the easiest thing to change. It's also the easiest thing to blame, yes, yes, no.

Speaker 5 9:09

What I was saying is that people get set up for hunting and they want to go a little bit faster in the summertime. Of course, just change your prop, yeah, but it's the ones that I'm getting the most calls about. That's wanting to float their nose, like you see on TikTok Unknown caller.

Speaker 1 9:27

Are we Unknown caller? All right, we're getting a call. We're getting a call, random caller. All right, go ahead and answer it. Hey, you're on. It's me Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Shockley Dad and Daryl with me.

Speaker 11 9:35

Who are you and where are you calling from? Oh, this is Evan Ujaz and I'm just calling. I've been talking with Mr Tim and Michael on Facebook. Awesome man, mr Tim and Michael on Facebook Awesome man.

Speaker 5 9:43

Awesome, how do you say your last name again? You pause. Okay, yeah, you fucked that up. I called you Ucon Denali. I didn't know.

Speaker 3 9:52

I knew that wasn't right. Man, you know, I'll just tell them. You know, earlier in the podcast I was talking about you. I didn't realize that was you that I was talking to last year. But, man, you know, explain to everybody what that post was about and tell everybody what you race and what makes your boat special.

Speaker 11 10:15

Right. So that post was just kind of not directed at Havoc or directed at any certain individual, anything like that. That was more of a post that if you spend the time and the effort and the energy and whatnot, you can make a boat perform in a way that you would like it to. So for me, what I really try and aim for is I've set up probably about 25 to 30 boats for people. Now what I try to aim for is I want to have it because I want a boat that I can use, whether it be duck hunting, racing at the sandbar, whatever the most broad boat I can find.

Speaker 11 11:00

Basically was a big reason that it pulled to me and I like to hunt and I believe a boat leaves better and turns night and day different with six versus ten um. And so I try to get because a lot of my customers hunt, you know we're, I'm from north louisiana, we're about an hour south of pheasant ball and pretty close to upper, and so there's a lot of guys that hunt. That you know timber quick, turning quick, tight stuff like that you know. And so I try and get the boats to run with six um just so they're able to dart and turn on a dime a little bit better, um, and so that was just like I said earlier, just say hey, if you spend the time and the effort and do your research and talk to people, that you can figure out how to make them perform in a way that will suit your needs. Basically.

Speaker 3 11:48

Not only just talking, but talking to the right people.

Understanding Different Boat Models

Speaker 3 11:50

There's just so much more bad information out there. But you know you go back in history A lot of people don't know this, but you go back in history when we built the edge boats right, and we're putting a 10-inch Magnum jack plates on the back and kind of wait to wait back to get the nose up in there. Uh, that's the reason why the mod 40, you know, and that's the reason why the mod 40, the marsh runners and all those performance holes were developed because of that problem. To me that was a problem and a lot of people don't see it as that, but we're in a manufacturing business. That's what we do do and you know it was a problem.

Speaker 3 12:25

Just like you said, evans, in your comment that the closer the motor, the harder the boat turns, the whole shot's better and that's absolutely right, it's 100% right. It is. Why do you think B Scott spanked everybody's ass with two inches of setback on the Mod 40? It's that whole shot. We knew that that boat didn't need setback and a lot of people want to put setback on it. But unfortunately, when you buy the cheap havics, the vjs, the vjs are inexpensive havics.

Speaker 1 12:46

I mean, they're the entry-level havoc boats and they're cheap as a lineup, and when you purchase that boat you do have to spend two thousand dollars twenty five hundred dollars to get the boat to toe, to nose right, because it's not designed that way because you know they'll see that post and they'll say, okay, six inches setback is what I need to have it run like that. But they don't understand how much time it took on every other aspect of the rig.

Speaker 3 13:07

You know like the prop and everything else you got going on. So, Evans, I mean, how much weight did you take out of your boat to compete on the 660?

Speaker 11 13:18

Repeat that one more time. We're cutting out pretty bad on this phone call.

Speaker 3 13:22

How much weight did you have to take out of your boat? Did you take any weight out of your boat when you race?

Speaker 11 13:28

Yes, sir. So for the first year and a half I left the boat stock I race at. The personal hole that I own is a 656. And so for the club that we've been racing the past couple of years, the Tuhatsu only has to weigh 900 pounds. Well, when you've got a 200-pound motor, a 200-pound dude and a 656, it's pretty hard to get down to that 900 range.

Speaker 3 13:50

So what did you do with your boat?

Speaker 11 13:58

So I cut the front deck out of it and had Fab Shop, Pin Oak and Little Rock actually make it like a removable deck adventure series boat I got you and so it suits me for more than just racing. Uh, all my buddies run Mercs. I'm I'm the four stroke guy in the group and so usually when we're hunting I'm usually tall in the gear. You know cause I ain't gonna line up with a one 30 pound Merc that will smoke me night and day, you know. And so when I have all that floor space in that room in that boat, it makes it not only good for me but just the betterment of our group when we're hunting and stuff like that. Um, but that boat also ran like the picture that I posted on facebook, the one that has the reason this podcast is happening right now and the call and everything I would, I would venture to say, is a big reason.

Speaker 11 14:42

Um, that boat in that picture and in that video was stock. It had all the hatch lids on it. The floor was in it. It just had a six-inch kick and jack on there. It had a couple washers I think three washers stacked on the bottom to give me a little bit more positive trim, but there wasn't any two-degree wedges or anything like that. The only reason I really cut the boat up to make it lighter is I hate to lose. And uh, we went to the first, no second zone to race in 24. And there was a boy that kind of blew my doors down, which was new, Cause I had kind of done really well in that class the year before and so I went to the drawing board. What can I do by myself to make this boat get faster in the track?

Speaker 11 15:26

And so that's where the idea of that came in.

Speaker 3 15:28

Let me ask you this why?

Speaker 11 15:31

don't you just buy a Mod 40? I love a 16-foot boat. I got you, and so that was the big reason.

Speaker 3 15:39

I was in school, so you're trying to build a race boat out of something you can hunt with.

Speaker 5 15:41

Yeah.

Speaker 3 15:42

Right.

Speaker 11 15:45

And you just like the 16 foot. Yeah, I, I like the way of 16 handles, um, just for everything. I like to fish, I like to hunt, I like the sandbar race and for for a while that 16 foot, 16 foot boat did well in the four stroke class. It competed with some of your more performance holes. I have videos of me actually beating my 40s and rdbsts in the track, you know, just because not because my boat is better than another boat or anything like that I just had more time and effort and props and whatnot than other people, you know.

Speaker 11 16:15

And uh, now that I'm getting into the two-stroke game, I'm not building. I have, uh, coley mcnabb is a good buddy of mine and he builds me and loops, race stuff and whatnot. And um, now that I've kind of seen how I ran a merc on my uh, on my vj and it did great, it sprayed off the back exactly like it was supposed to, kind of like how me and you talked earlier on the phone this morning that I'm not so worried about putting the nose 10 feet in the air, rather that I want the boat to get out the water correctly and spray off the back of the paws like it was designed to do you know, right, a lot of people don't understand that it looks cool on tiktok and stuff, you know, but you can end those way up in there.

Speaker 3 16:57

But you know you start right, you, but you start burying that transom. It's just gonna take a beating over time and most, most of the calls I get. That's what people are wanting and the boats are slow as shit, but it looks good. You know what I'm saying. It looks cool, but I said in my comment last night. I said, if you go kneeboarding, hang your ass off the back of the kneeboard, right.

Speaker 3 17:16

Yeah, tell me how you feel the next day. The object of kneeboarding is stay on top of the board, stay on top of the water and be fast. You start dragging that ass. Something's going to give up.

Speaker 1 17:27

Yeah, I mean just the way it is.

Speaker 3 17:29

But, man, we're getting some more phone calls. It was a pleasure talking to you. Yeah, thanks for calling in you obviously know what you're doing and we appreciate what you're doing for us, and if you can help us get these people lined out on Facebook on how to set up a boat, We'd be greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 11 17:45

Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 17:47

All right, Help us out. We'll definitely help you out in the future.

Speaker 3 17:49

Yeah, no kidding man, help us help you?

Speaker 11 17:51

Yeah Right, I just want everybody to be happy with what they bought. You know I've been happy with my boat. I know if something were to happen, I could drive up to Fordyce any day of the week and it'd get lined out, you know. So I want other other, I want the other customers to feel the same way about the rig that they spend their hard-earned work, hard-earned money that they work for. You know, and so that's right.

Speaker 3 18:10

I agree 100 we appreciate it.

Speaker 5 18:12

I do have one question, though, evan. Uh what, yeah, on that post you had last night, what prop was you? Was you running a stock prop or was that prop work?

Speaker 11 18:22

oh so that was a out the box stock srd4 prop. It was a 15 pitch, um. So yes, four blade is going to naturally lift more, you know, especially with an 11 and a quarter and shockly uh made a comment saying that it looked really high. Well, yeah, I have a calf plate on my motor too, so I can run it even higher than per se normally, you know. So that thing was jacked up at well I don't know four and a half five inches. That was two years ago that video.

Speaker 3 18:48

I mean, nobody really knows that. That's what you've got to understand that only 2% of the people would know that. The other 98% don't know that.

Speaker 1 18:55

And a lot of people just look at that and think nothing more than just I need six inches and the four-stroke.

Speaker 3 19:00

No you need 10 inches For 98% of the people that buy a VJ that wants a Toth Nose they're going to have to have a 10-inch Magnum Heavy Because they're probably going to have a regular prop.

Speaker 1 19:09

You know, YBS, they're not going to run it for a way.

Speaker 3 19:10

They're going to run it. You know what I got $100.

Speaker 2 19:27

You ask somebody what prop theyS the real YVS just for the same price as that. But nobody gets on the gear shop and sees the same price of real YVS on the gear shop.

Speaker 1 19:35

Every time somebody tells me you can't find it nowhere cheaper.

Speaker 11 19:40

If you're spending $10,000 on a boat and then $2,000 on a trailer and $6,000 to $7,000 on a motor, depending on what you get, why are you limiting yourself to a $250 product?

Speaker 3 19:51

Hey, you know what's even crazier than that? They'll buy a motor that's antique, basically right.

Speaker 6 19:57

Pretty much. It's basically an antique motor, right.

Speaker 3 20:00

They'll put all this money in the damn thing. Then they get pissed off at me when I say flip the boat upside down and work the bottom of the boat right.

Speaker 11 20:08

What's the difference between?

Speaker 3 20:09

working the bottom of the boat and buying an antique motor and putting $5,000 in it. It makes no sense. Now I'm the fucking bad guy. I'm the bad guy, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 20:19

Well, evan we appreciate you calling in. We got some people calling in. Now sounds good. Thanks for calling, I appreciate you calling in we got some people calling in now.

Speaker 11 20:26

Sounds good, thanks for calling.

Speaker 3 20:27

Yes, sir, I appreciate you man.

Speaker 5 20:29

All right, bye-bye. So the calls we had, we want to call them back.

Speaker 1 20:34

Yeah, can you try calling them back? We had like three people call in while we were on the phone with them. Was there any names popping up, just numbers. Just call them back you know you gotta take that in consideration, though you know he's spent hours and hours setting up his boat to be able to be able to do both to be able to hunt and and kind of race out of it, but that's doing it for other people, but, but, but that's what's the magic about him.

Speaker 3 20:57

Yes, that's what's special about him. Most people don't do that. He understands, yeah, and you know it's a blessing to talk to people like that, because he understands. I talked to him this morning, had a great conversation with him. I said, man, you're a blessing, you know, because, man, you'll get on the phone with some people and there's no, they just will not listen, they just want to blame you you know it's your boat.

Speaker 5 21:18

You know, it's just like our guy up north that uh, he was bound and terminated his turndowns was too violent.

Speaker 3 21:23

We're not going to mention that. Don't bring that up. I ain't bringing the name. I've been billing boats for 27, 28 years and he's on top of five worst customers ever.

Speaker 5 21:31

But he's still calling to this day, wanting to set up advice.

Speaker 3 21:35

I would block his number and.

Speaker 5 21:36

I found out that he had them turndowns cut off.

Speaker 1 21:39

Yeah, that's the problem. It, that's the problem.

Speaker 5 21:40

It's still running the exact same speed it was before.

Speaker 3 21:43

I don't even want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 21:44

I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, I don't want to talk about it either. I tried to help out.

Speaker 2 21:47

That's a broken road there. Yeah, okay, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 7 21:52

All right, we got Daniel Simpson here. We're about to call back. Oh great DT.

Speaker 5 21:57

Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 22:05

This is awesome, mr LCA. Oh yeah, oh, I remember this guy. Yeah, dt Simpson.

Speaker 5 22:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2 22:15

Come on, baby. Did he go back into work? He could have. He might be working.

Speaker 1 22:20

That's the tough thing about it, yeah.

Speaker 3 22:22

Yeah, not everybody gets to do this for a living.

Speaker 5 22:24

I want to say he's in the refinery, but I'm not real sure. I'm sorry the person that's the tough thing about it.

Speaker 6 22:26

Yeah, yeah, not everybody gets to do this for a living. I want to say he's in the refinery, but I'm not real sure.

Speaker 1 22:28

I'm sorry. You know he squeezed out on a break or something. Yeah, he's like, I'm out. I'm going to hit this call real quick. I called just to call.

Speaker 3 22:33

No, they didn't answer, so I'm good.

Speaker 13 22:38

No, he'll call back. Yeah, he will, shirley Baker.

Speaker 3 22:41

Shirley Baker? I don't know who that is. What area code?

Speaker 14 22:44

It is a 912.

Speaker 2 22:46

I like it. It's called back. I don't know where that's from. I'll just do it.

Speaker 3 22:50

That seems wild. Go for it. Do it, yeah. B-squad's like oh shit. B-squad's like you owe us this amount of money.

Speaker 2 22:59

Hey, you have a ticket.

Speaker 3 23:05

Do, do it. We're going to figure out how to get this thing, hello.

Speaker 1 23:10

Hello, you're on Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Tim Scott, michael Shockley and Daryl Moore with me. Who are you?

Speaker 7 23:17

Hey what's going on?

Speaker 3 23:20

Not much, man. What's going on with you dude?

Speaker 7 23:23

Not much. I saw y'all put put in the facebook group there and um, I just had a question.

Speaker 7 23:30

I got a 1553 rdbst all right and um, right now it's just a stock mega. All I got is uh voice and reeds and uh tldi head gasket. All right, but um, I'm sitting at like on a good day I'll get 39, 40 and uh. I had a question about the hopping. My buddy said he asked one of y'all and he said something about laying a bead on the back what kind of setup do you have on the boat?

Speaker 7 24:02

uh, it's just I got a six inch vance kicking jack yeah, do you have on the boat? It's just, I got a six-inch Vance kicking jack yeah. And right now I'm just running a Solus 13-pitch prop.

Speaker 3 24:13

What.

Speaker 7 24:14

That's one of your problems.

Speaker 1 24:15

That's my first problem. First problem Get rid of that thing.

Speaker 2 24:18

Yeah, you said what pitch was it 13. It's way too small.

Speaker 5 24:22

Oh wow, that's way too small.

Speaker 1 24:25

You pitch, was it 13? It's way too small. Wow, that's way too small. You're banging out, yeah, I would say. What's probably happening is your motor is just the props maxed out. It's doing all it can do and it just can't keep pushing through to hold the boat up.

Speaker 3 24:32

Well, I mean it doesn't keep her boat balanced and it just keeps falling, falling, yeah, slipping. Uh, you're probably trying to run the motor higher than you should, probably. Um, yeah, you need to go back to the drawing board on the prop. You know, I would suggest something like a Turbo or Vengeance or something like that around your prop. You could try a YBS. I think a YBS is good for duck hunting.

Speaker 5 24:53

Really.

Speaker 7 24:56

I bought a 16-pitch YBS, but I don't think that's a. Ybs that I bought because it wasn't riding good when I put it on.

Speaker 3 25:04

No, it's probably a little too much.

Speaker 7 25:05

Yeah.

Speaker 3 25:07

I think once you get your Mega rebuilt you know Cuz does a really good job on Megas, but you get a good, strong Mega. She's going to run 53, 55 with the right builder.

Speaker 1 25:21

And. I think the Hoppin's definitely prop-related, as far as just not enough power to hold it up A stock mega should be 45 all day.

Speaker 5 25:26

He said it was stock with just some bolt-ons right, yeah, bolt-on mods it should be 45.

Speaker 3 25:31

His biggest problem is a prop situation. I think so you need to get a good prop man.

Speaker 1 25:37

For sure, for sure, I think that's it. What else, anything else you got going on with it?

Speaker 7 25:44

That. Uh, what else is anything else you got going on with it? Oh, that's really about it. Um, I got a cathletic. I know that helps, but also I got. I just I got 50 carbs for it, but they didn't come with O-rings and I'm waiting.

Speaker 5 25:56

What do you have in the? What do you have in the front of the boat? Do you have a bunch of weight in the front of the boat?

Speaker 7 26:01

No, just a VP can.

Speaker 6 26:08

And I mean mean speakers. But speakers don't weigh.

Speaker 1 26:09

But well, let me ask you about the hop. Is it a fast, is it a fast hop or is it like a slow, drawn out hop?

Speaker 7 26:14

that's a pretty quick hop yeah you're just out of balance, man.

Speaker 3 26:19

You're out of balance. Your prop and my balance you know? Uh, so when you look at a boat, a boat's. A boat's a lot like a seesaw. You know what I'm saying. So let's say you weigh 100 pounds and the person you're picking up weighs 200 pounds. Can you physically pick up the 200 pounds? You can't. There's only one way to do it You've got to extend your side of the seesaw.

Speaker 5 26:38

Yeah.

Speaker 3 26:39

So boats are that way. You gotta get the boat balanced right and the way I like to do it is is balancing the tongue weight of the boat, and what I do is I take a bathroom scale and get you, get your stick or something, put it under the uh, the tongue and weigh your boat. You know, put like, if you weigh 200 pounds, put 200 pounds on the driver's side, whatever it is, weigh your, your nose weight and work from there because, let's say your nose weight and work from there Because, let's say your nose weight's 150 pounds or so. You need to really get lighter. I mean, our RDB drags back in the day had 13 pounds on the bow.

Speaker 5 27:12

Yeah, that's why they would tote it so good. It sounds funny to say, but you need a lot of weight in the very, very back of your boat.

Speaker 3 27:18

And it's not weight in the back of the boat that's concerning. It's the weight behind the transom, and I think a lot of people don't understand that. A lot of people call me and say, hey, let's move weight from the front to the back. Or I added weight to the front to get the porpoising. Well, all you did was add weight and it made the porpoising worse.

Speaker 5 27:35

It just made it worse.

Speaker 3 27:36

You have to take weight out of your boat and put weight in certain places in your boat, and further away from the balancing point of the boat is going to work the most. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 27:46

So basically what he's saying is so with your Mega it's a lighter motor right and you're running on six inches, which isn't a whole lot of leverage, so it's harder to get that weight further back on the balance point with a Mega than it is, say, you put a four-stroke on there, like if you put a four stroke and the same exact setup you have you're and you did the bathroom scale thing where you weighed the tongue it would be significantly lighter with the four stroke and I'll tell you.

The Science of Setback and Balance Points

Speaker 3 28:13

I'll tell you another trick too. A lot of people don't understand it. But let's say your balancing point. We're getting a phone call. But let's say your balancing point, we gotta make this quick. But it's in the middle of your boat. Okay, and you've got a six-inch jack plate on the back of your boat and you don't want to go buy more jack plate to use the motor as leverage? Okay, you could simply put weight inside your jack plate and it moves the balance board.

Speaker 1 28:38

And we've done that at the races before.

Speaker 3 28:40

Now this is a problem, though. You start stacking a lot of weight on your transom and you can't get it out of the hole. That goes into a horsepower issue. Yep, you know. So there's a fine line of balancing act here. But you know a lot of people get confused on setback. What does setback really do? Does it clean the water to the prop? That's all bullshit. Yes, it does help clean the water up. Okay, if you're running the right prop to take advantage of it. But it's a lot of it is counterweight. You get the counterweight of the boat right, get the boat about boat balance right, then you can start working on props. But on your case, you've absolutely picked the worst prop.

Speaker 1 29:15

Yeah, I would start with the prop and then I would. I would move straight from the prop on to balance point and I would do it with the empty.

Speaker 5 29:22

I'd get it lined out with the boat empty, not without a, with the gas can not in the front yeah, I know I don't. I don't weigh a lot and I know that boat is not very heavy yeah, so that makes it even worse a year so, and I always tell people I'll show two people too.

Speaker 3 29:37

And so really it's. I mean, it's true, put your boat in the water, take a picture of it, the more likely I tell's how your boat's going to run.

Speaker 1 29:44

Yeah, I mean generally. Yeah, you're right In a way. I bet your boat sits pretty flat in the water. You're not having an issue with the nose, just sitting up.

Speaker 3 29:51

No, no, no, You're sitting somewhat flat and that's kind of how your boat's running.

Speaker 5 29:54

Do you have a full-size marine battery or are you running lithium?

Speaker 7 30:00

Battery yes sir. That's in the back with me.

Speaker 2 30:03

What kind of battery is it? What?

Speaker 3 30:04

kind of battery is it?

Speaker 7 30:07

I got a battery in the gas tank right there.

Speaker 3 30:09

Is it an AGM battery or is it a lithium battery?

Speaker 7 30:13

No, it's just a regular battery.

Speaker 5 30:14

Yeah, you want a good heavy battery back there A lot of people put lithium batteries back there because they think it's better, unless you don't got enough horsepower.

Speaker 3 30:21

But if you don't got enough horsepower, but if you don't got enough horsepower you need to go. A lighter boat, yeah.

Speaker 5 30:25

I mean I run leader.

Speaker 1 30:25

That's a problem. But anyways, man, we're getting a bunch of calls coming in. Thank you for calling. I hope we helped you out some and definitely keep track of it. Keep messaging us and stuff and let's definitely help you get your boat set up.

Speaker 5 30:38

Let's get it lined out, yeah.

Speaker 7 30:39

Yeah yeah, man, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 30:42

Hey, man, no problem, man, we appreciate you. Dude, alright, man, you have a good one alright alright, who we?

Speaker 1 30:50

calling, we calling somebody else it says Amanda Myers hey, amanda, I don't know it's probably it's your phone.

Speaker 2 31:03

I know it's my phone, but it's definitely phone, but it's definitely his wife's name. Are you sure about?

Speaker 3 31:08

this B-Sky.

Speaker 2 31:09

I don't know.

Speaker 1 31:11

Name. Don't ring a bell.

Speaker 3 31:13

Maybe we should do live Cut Amanda Myers. That sounds really familiar.

Speaker 2 31:22

He's on his mom's phone, Bill.

Speaker 5 31:24

I've seen a Myers name pop up here recently. It's going to be somebody with no thing. This is crazy.

Speaker 1 31:28

Hey, what's going on? You're on Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Tim Scott with me, Michael Shockley and Daryl Moore, and who are you and where are you calling from?

Speaker 4 31:38

How's it going? Yeah, I just wanted to talk about I got a 653 Havoc VJ Okay, and right now I'm running a 90s Yamaha two-stroke, a 90 on it Okay, I know what you're talking about and Go ahead.

Speaker 5 31:56

How much setback.

Speaker 4 31:58

Yeah, and I have, and I'm running no setback. I'm running no jack plate, nothing, it's just straight bolted to transom. Right now I'm not exactly sure what jack plate I should go with and what prop.

Speaker 3 32:11

With that motor, I would say 6-inch.

Speaker 5 32:13

Yeah.

Speaker 3 32:14

I would say 6-inch. I would go with a good heavy Bob's. Or if you go with a lighter version, you know they don't make. You know they make a. They don't make anything. Hydraulic.

Speaker 5 32:28

But they're 8-inch. We might work with that, but you'd have to go with 8-inch, with one of Caleb's jack plates.

Speaker 2 32:34

Hydrodynamics. Hydrodynamics, yeah, that's right, it's a manual jack plate.

Speaker 5 32:37

I would definitely go from 6 to 8 inches, though Is it a built 90? What was that?

Speaker 4 32:49

Is built 90. What was that is your? Is your motor built or is it stock?

Speaker 5 32:51

oh, it's stock, it's stock, it's just got an oil literally all right, I would definitely start with a I'm not real keen on yamaha.

Speaker 1 32:55

So how is it running now with the way it's set up? What the way you got it set up?

Speaker 4 33:01

what do I have a setup right now yeah, how's it running, yeah, how's it running. How's it running? Um, so I've got it. So the trim isn't working. I'm about to get it rebuilt. So what I do is I just set the pin just all the way up because I mean I could care less on my whole shot.

Speaker 4 33:17

Right now I'm not racing or anything right, I'm just trying to get the best top speed and with the pin all the way up, it sits at about 48 by myself with a 13.3, 17 pitch ybs so your boat's not hopping at all right now?

Speaker 5 33:32

what was that? It don't hop at all right now, with it bolted straight to the trans okay, so it hops getting up to plane, depending on how much.

Speaker 4 33:42

What about the trim? They're saying it doesn't work at all.

Speaker 5 33:44

Yeah, well, you're saying it didn't have trim. That hop in the beginning is because you don't have trim. Yeah.

Speaker 4 33:50

Yeah, I don't have trim right now. I'm about to get a rebuild Right.

Speaker 3 33:54

Yeah, yeah, you need to get your trim.

Speaker 4 33:55

Yeah, I would say 100%.

Speaker 1 33:56

The first thing you got to get is the trim going.

Speaker 3 34:09

And that, right there, will tell you where you're at, you know with it.

Speaker 5 34:11

So yeah, I would definitely get your trim fixed. Get an rpm gauge, for sure you know, though you get a yb.

Speaker 3 34:13

Actually, I actually run a ybs on my prop that's what you said. 21 pitch yeah, yeah, what was that? I actually run a ybs on my 90 ml. It runs good. I don't know if I'd race with it. Of course I race with it. I'm slow though.

Speaker 5 34:23

21 pitch yBS runs really good yeah it does, it does.

Speaker 3 34:26

Ybs is a good prop and I would go with a heavy. If you go with less setback, you want a heavier jack plate. If you go with a manual, you want to go with more setback because you want to use your motor for counterweight to lift the bow of the boat yep, so when you, when you're running wide open right now uh, what is my?

Speaker 5 34:48

you say what? Whenever you're wide open right now, the way it's set up right now and you're getting all of it, you can't out of it. Your boat's running pretty clean.

Speaker 4 34:53

It ain't hop trying to hop at wide open speeds yeah, I wait for it to plane and then it's typically the more throttle I give it, the less it hops.

Speaker 5 35:02

That's amazing yeah it, it is Jay. I'm telling you right now Six inches is going to be your number on setback.

Speaker 1 35:09

First thing to do from the get-go, get your trim fixed, because that will tell you exactly where you are with it, and then after that, I would definitely get like a six-inch jack plate, because that's going to give you just enough leverage to really tote it with it.

Speaker 6 35:22

And with it being a 90,.

Speaker 1 35:25

I mean, I think six inches is plenty. Yes especially if it ain't hopping right now wide open. Yeah, I mean, dude, I think you're going to have a good running boat.

Speaker 5 35:32

That's going to be a good running boat, yeah.

Speaker 1 35:33

Really good running rig once you get the trim fixed and about six inches setback.

Speaker 4 35:39

Yeah, yeah, I've had. Yeah. The reason I'm calling is I've had so many mixed opinions. I have people saying I have some people who are running six inches and it's running really good. Then I have other people that said they've got to have at least ten because it's not the step, transom and whatnot, and then I think it definitely just needs more pitch, more prop.

Speaker 2 36:03

Yeah, just get your, get your trim the.

Speaker 1 36:05

Thing is man, it's really hard to tell without having the trim so that you can adjust it up and down and really find the sweet spot in the boat you know. And then, past that, obviously more leverage is going to clean it up more, just because it's going to put the balance point further back on your, on your setup.

Speaker 5 36:21

But I'm telling you, you really don't know nothing until you get the trim fix it's running better now than I would expect it to, really yeah honestly, I'm surprised it's running as good as it is with that vans and a good prop you're gonna and your trim working, you're gonna be a that's gonna be a good running boat and and, but I don't mean to uh speed things up, but we got people calling in.

Speaker 1 36:40

Uh, I appreciate you calling um yes, sir, keep tabs with us man, keep sending us messages and stuff and we'll help work, work through it with you and also keep going too.

Speaker 3 36:49

I mean also too, if you run a trolling motor everything on in front of your boat. I was thinking about this while I was peeing a minute ago, but uh I mean, I do know people that run two inches of setback, only 90, and it does work. But if you set the boat up for fishing you got gear in the front deck. You gotta throw them on everything else. That's when you gotta go back with the pivot but I would say those 90s are built though yeah, yeah, those are.

Speaker 3 37:08

A lot of them are built that's right, okay, you gotta keep all that. You gotta keep all that in mind when you start building your boat, setting it up.

Speaker 1 37:16

It's horsepower versus balance point and if you have any questions further on dude, don't. Don't feel free to hit us up, dude yeah, you got her number.

Speaker 3 37:22

You can find us. Just give us a call, we'll help you out, bud yes, sir, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 37:27

Thank you, have a good day, have a good one, have a good day, all right, bye later so, honestly, dude, his rig was running, great yeah he had some problems like oh my god

Speaker 3 37:39

they probably don't have anything on his front, but you know, front deck, you know they probably don't, and bolted straight to the transom, no trill.

Speaker 5 37:45

Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 37:48

When you put a trolling motor on your front deck and a couple graphs, or even one graph, it makes a huge difference in setback. Oh, it does. You've got to have more.

Speaker 1 37:56

Let me explain that in a way that everybody understands what you're saying so say I was going to take 10 pounds, you've got a balance point of the boat, right, and it's two-thirds the way back of the boat, right? If I take that 10 pounds and set it directly on the front deck of the boat or say, say I put that 10 pounds on a bow cap, yeah, it's just 10 pounds, but the thing about it is that's 10 pounds that's further away from the balance point, so it's actually probably, you know, it could be 30, 40, 50, 60 pounds worth of leverage leverage, yeah, that's going against the, the balance point that makes you ride up pretty yeah, so that's more of what it's about it not necessarily weight, it's the weight transfer it's not the way.

Speaker 1 38:38

It's where you put the weight. I mean we. We showed that whenever the yamahals uh wanted the weight break, 30 pounds weight break didn't change nothing. I mean heck. We showed that whenever the Yamahals wanted the weight break 30 pounds weight break it didn't change nothing. I mean heck, we tested that. We put 30 more pounds in our boat.

Speaker 5 38:50

Put a power pole on it. It didn't change nothing, a lot of people don't understand that either.

Speaker 3 38:55

You put power poles on the back of a boat and that weight is behind the transom, and for every inch you go past the balance point of the boat, that five pounds turns into six. All right, we're going to call somebody, so we got another caller.

Speaker 2 39:09

This is actually kind of good. I think this is really good.

Speaker 1 39:11

Oh, this is sweet. I'm glad people are calling in. People should start doing it like once a week For sure. We should have all this one. We never would have needed to.

Speaker 5 39:18

People are calling in. Got Brett Smels hitting me up on text. Thousand questions oh yeah, Right on.

Speaker 2 39:25

Who's this? Do we know who we're calling?

Speaker 1 39:27

Random it's Nathan. Hey, nathan, you're on Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Michael Shockley, tim Scott and Daryl with me. You say your name's, nathan. Where are you calling from?

Speaker 16 39:38

Ball and I'll Bark and Song.

Speaker 1 39:39

Heck yeah, that's what I'm talking about. He's a local.

Speaker 16 39:42

What you got going on, man, I'm sitting here watching Paw Patrol with the daughters. Man, that's one question. Did y'all know that D was the best athlete in the room in high school?

Speaker 4 39:53

No, no, no, I didn't know that I'm not saying D.

Speaker 3 39:57

He's my dude, oh yeah, yeah, well, tell us about it.

Speaker 16 40:02

How good was he, me and D went to a couple of D1 football camps together.

Speaker 1 40:08

I'm sure he remembers Darryl. You remember that. No, you don't remember that.

Speaker 3 40:13

I don't remember, you don't remember going to football camps.

Speaker 5 40:18

What D are you talking about? D's nuts is probably what he's going to say.

Speaker 16 40:22

Oh motherfucker, I'm having a hard time hearing y'all, sorry.

Speaker 2 40:26

Not with the kids in the house. He's not sitting with the kids, not watching Paw Patrol.

Speaker 1 40:30

He wouldn't do me like that.

Speaker 3 40:33

Man, you got.

Speaker 16 40:34

Havoc, or what. I'm having a hard time hearing y'all Sorry.

Speaker 3 40:39

I said you want a Havoc boat or what.

Speaker 16 40:43

I do want a Havoc boat. I got a five 53 BJ STC with a uh ported mark on it. I love it.

Speaker 3 40:52

Uh.

Speaker 16 40:52

I bought it new from ricochet three years ago. Oh yeah, um Vance kicking jack um digital camo. I got the um, in my opinion, the best slot bar on the market on it and, uh man, I love it.

Speaker 16 41:09

I have no complaints how many havocs have you owned? Oh man, uh, let's see. I bought my first 550 havoc from shannon nichols in 2000 oh god, I was just out of high school. So so 2013 or 14. I mean, it was one of the very first boats he sold out of his old shop over there on White River. I bought three from him, I bought one from Cuz and this will be my fifth one. So, ricochet, yeah, five Habits, and what's your last name? My last name's Leonard, nathan Leonard, I know who you are. I know who you are, you know who he is.

Speaker 5 41:45

Yeah, I know who he is. Yeah, that's awesome man.

Speaker 3 41:50

So where are you hunting at? Do you hunt with him shockingly, or what?

Speaker 5 41:54

No, I don't, I just know him from Facebook. I think I did some dealings with him on a motor, like a long time ago.

Speaker 4 41:58

Really how you meet these people it is you talk to these people on Facebook? It's really a small world.

Call-In: Racing Setups vs Everyday Use

Speaker 3 42:04

Talking to them on the podcast is pretty cool. Other than D, don't remember the D1 football game or the training camp.

Speaker 1 42:13

Yeah, I don't know, I don't know Our.

Speaker 3 42:14

D over here. Don't remember that I think you got the wrong D man. Do you have the wrong D? I can't hear you Sorry. I said wrong d. I can't hear you, sorry. I said do you have the wrong d? The wrong daryl moore? I didn't know there was two daryl moores, say that again. I said. I said is it you got the wrong d?

Speaker 5 42:32

moral, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean, are you talking about football camp while I go with it with d? Yeah, we're trying to figure out who d is. Daryaryl, daryl, daryl, don't remember that, daryl.

Speaker 8 42:45

don't remember it, daryl.

Speaker 5 42:47

Daryl can't even throw a football.

Speaker 2 42:49

You sure it was me. I mean, I went to some football camps, but I don't think I was the best athlete.

Speaker 16 42:54

Oh shit, daryl, it was. It was Darryl Moore, me and him. There's a little D1 sports facility in Winter Rock way back when. When did you graduate high school, darryl In?

Speaker 2 43:04

2014.

Speaker 16 43:05

Yeah, so you were like a freshman when I was a senior.

Speaker 2 43:08

Yeah, I mean that's possible. Well, that's why you don't know him.

Speaker 3 43:10

Darryl.

Speaker 1 43:12

Yeah yeah, wait what was he fast or what? Why would you assume he's fast?

Speaker 5 43:16

I don't know he's fast. I don't know, is it because he's black? Oh my God, here we go.

Speaker 3 43:21

Hey, I know his vertical is better.

Speaker 16 43:23

Darryl, where did you go to high school, camden, harmony Grove right?

Speaker 2 43:28

Harmony Grove yeah.

Speaker 16 43:30

Yeah, y'all had a quarterback that graduated with me. That was really good. It was you.

Speaker 3 43:38

Yeah, it was probably me. Dang me on the spot. I didn't even know what to say. I was starting to step up. I like that dude. D D D.

Speaker 1 43:44

Well, man, we appreciate you calling in. We got people calling in asking set-up questions and stuff. Man, but good talk to you If you got any problems with your boat.

Speaker 2 43:51

let us know, We'll get you right. All right man All right bye-bye Later.

Speaker 5 44:01

Pretty sure that guy's an LSU fan too. Hey, that's why I'm clicking with.

Speaker 1 44:03

Daryl, I wonder what episode Paw Patrol he's on dude, I've seen them all, me too.

Speaker 2 44:14

I can't believe he watches you like that man. You don't even remember. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Speaker 5 44:17

I don't Daryl you what was your 40?

Speaker 3 44:18

How fast did you run 40 in? I was like 4'5", Gosh dude. I was like a 5'3". So you're pretty fast 4'5". How is you not a good athlete running a 4'5"?

Speaker 2 44:26

I mean, I was a good athlete Did.

Speaker 3 44:27

Deion Sanders run a 4'5".

Speaker 2 44:29

I think Deion was like 4'4", yeah, 4'3". Well damn, daryl, I mean hey we got a call coming in.

Speaker 1 44:37

I don't blame you, Daryl. Hey what's up? You're on Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Michael Schock with me. Tim Scott, daryl Moore.

Speaker 8 44:48

Who are you and where are you calling from?

Speaker 1 44:51

Conway, south Carolina. Heck, yeah, dude, what you got going on.

Speaker 3 44:58

What you got going on, I think there's something wrong.

Speaker 8 44:59

Yes, sir B Scott, so I got what you got going on. I think there's something wrong. Yes, sir b scott, so I got a? Uh 17 foot ambush with 10 inches of setback, with a 90 mercury four stroke. But I'm in the market for another boat, uh, looking for a havoc or a reaper. I'm trying to figure out which way I need to go.

Speaker 5 45:13

Well, I could get some of your opinions what do you do with a boat the majority of the time?

Speaker 1 45:19

do you just ride the river with it, or what do you use it for?

Speaker 8 45:23

Hunt fish lighter ride sometimes.

Speaker 1 45:27

Need a marsh runner. I'll tell you what you need. Dude, I mean, does he hunt?

Speaker 3 45:30

open water? Or does he hunt timber? I mean, does he come?

Speaker 5 45:32

to our show and hunt timber. Are you on a bunch of stumps, or what kind of water do you run?

Speaker 3 45:39

Our audio is not that good.

Speaker 8 45:45

Hey, can you hear us barely, man. That's why I'm having a hard time responding.

Speaker 1 45:47

You think it's our service in our building here. Hey, we're gonna up the service guys, we're gonna work on that. But so the waters you're running are you running like marshes? What I mean? What are you running out there? Is it stumpy, is it? What kind of water is it?

Speaker 8 45:57

nice it's. It's pretty much clear. I mean, we got a logs, but it ain't real stuff. Water don't run too hard unless you go towards like Little Pee Dee or something.

Speaker 5 46:07

Like when you're duck hunting and stuff, are you in like timber, super rough water, you're in super rough water.

Speaker 3 46:13

You're in timber or do you need to jump stuff or do you need to go through waves?

Speaker 8 46:21

So if you go down towards Georgetownorgetown, it gets pretty rough sometimes depending on the wind, but as far as the river you ain't got no rough water you want to float the nose?

Speaker 5 46:27

are you yeah?

Speaker 3 46:29

you want to float the nose on the plug the whole time uh no, I just want to get right.

Speaker 8 46:36

You just want a good running boat yeah, I mean, that's what you want?

Speaker 2 46:39

you just want a good running boat. Is that what you're looking for?

Speaker 8 46:46

Man, that's tough yeah man, it's a little hard.

Speaker 3 46:53

Since you mentioned the other boats, you did the Ambush, you did the Reaper stuff, so obviously you stayed in this little circle. You need to take a look at the new Mach 1.

Speaker 5 47:05

I was going to say it's a 656.

Speaker 3 47:10

It's a good, strong boat 586 alloy, 100-inch hull. It has a performance cutout in it. It's one of our performance boats Runs really well. It will give you the ability to tote the nose with the right motor, or it took the most any motor I don't make shit what you put on it, uh, but it'll give you that effect, that feeling, and also it also take a beating to it and it'll still give you the feel of a bigger boat you know, the boat that you can do uh wide drive and stuff in.

Speaker 5 47:37

Yeah, you can very, very stable too, yeah yeah, that might want hard to be.

Speaker 3 47:40

That Mach 1's hard to beat. Yeah, it's hard to beat.

Speaker 8 47:44

Well, my thing is, I was wanting like a gum box at least, and it's like a store of guns or paper work. So he's done his homework, or life jackets or something. Yep, he's heard of the Mach 1.

Speaker 3 47:51

He's done his homework. He's already called somebody and said For what you're doing, he already knows what he wants being around rougher water potentially.

Speaker 1 48:02

I would definitely look at the Marsh Runner line. I would look at. You can't go wrong with the Marsh Runner. I wouldn't think you would need anything out of the DBSC MSTs. I wouldn't. I mean you could do a DBSC, I mean it's tougher, it's not going to tote the nose like you do, but it's not going to toughen those Anybody in South?

Speaker 3 48:18

Carolina that's tough to know does not care what he says.

Speaker 5 48:20

I would say Mach 1 or even the Gen 1. Yeah, Mach 1.

Speaker 3 48:24

Yeah because it's going to be an I-beam rip too. It's going to be super tough. Now the Mach 1 is going to be a step down from the Marshawner because it's not as built as strong Right it is.

Speaker 5 48:36

But you know he's going to want to haul ass.

Speaker 6 48:39

I don't know nobody that wants to go slow in South Carolina.

Speaker 3 48:41

So here's your answer Mach 1 or the Gen 1 Marsh Runners. What I would recommend, that's what.

Speaker 8 48:46

I would say yeah, how fast do y'all fellas feel a 17-foot Marsh Runner Gen 1 with a 90 Mercury? Go with a 22-pitch turbo right now. With what motor you say?

Speaker 3 48:59

Wait a minute, this is a trick 90 Mercury four stroke 90 Mercury four stroke. This is a trick he already knows. He already knows the answer. Do you got a buddy that's running that or what?

Speaker 8 49:10

22 Turbo, 13 and a quarter, I believe, was he running what 74?

Speaker 5 49:16

No, I'm going to say With what? On the back A 90. I? No, I'm going to say With what? On the back A 90. I mean 90 Mercury 4-stroke.

Speaker 3 49:23

I'm going to say, I had a 115 stuck in my head.

Speaker 2 49:27

for some reason that was like 75.

Speaker 3 49:29

Those guys are running like 73 miles an hour.

Speaker 5 49:31

I'm going to say 55 to 58.

Speaker 10 49:36

Okay, probably.

Speaker 8 49:38

I know with the same setup on the ambush foot I can't get about 48 49 out of it. But now it's 125 gauge boat, you'll be over that's a little difference in the ambush.

Speaker 5 49:49

Ambush is a little different than that yeah see, this is gonna be a different uh degree hole too than an ambush we got 14 degree holes.

Speaker 1 49:56

You got the cutout, so yeah, I mean, this being a performance bow. It's gonna give you built-in setback, which is to allow you to clean up and run faster than what you're currently riding yeah, see so how much setback you got in your ambush right now how much?

Speaker 8 50:15

what no?

Speaker 3 50:16

how much setback you got on your ambush.

Speaker 8 50:21

So I got a double stack. So I got four-inch jack plate and a six-inch kick plate or six-inch jack plate I can't remember exactly which ones were, but it's 10-inch, roughly 10, 11 inches.

Speaker 3 50:33

Well, you buy a Mach 1. You get a Mach 1. You can take one of them off. Well, it's not even that you can take it off. But comparing apples to apples, if you put the same setup he has on his ambush onto the Mach 1. It's going to really float, he's going to have like 16 inches of setback?

Speaker 1 50:50

No, he would, because the boat already got six 16 inches of setback on the top end.

Speaker 4 50:55

Right.

Speaker 3 50:56

See, that's the difference between the Mach 1 and your ambush is, when you get on the top end, when you get on the top of the hull, when the hull cleans up and you get on the top, that box turns into a setback. A lot of people don't understand that. That's the difference. On low end it turns into a zero setback, but on top end it turns into a six-inch setback as it cleans up in a water column.

Speaker 2 51:30

And that's how that boat hauls ass. Yep, but for what you're looking for, dude, I would 100% be, confident saying you would like definitely the Gen 1.

Speaker 3 51:34

Marsh Runner or the Mach 1. That's what I would go with. You're not going to be disappointed. No, it fits what you're doing. You'll absolutely love the Mach 1, though the Mach 1 is badass. It's a 16-foot boat that hauls ass.

Speaker 5 51:41

Yeah, I mean it's a 16-foot boat that hauls ass. Yeah, I mean it's a nice boat.

Speaker 3 51:44

I love how stable it is. It runs good with a 64-stroke all the way up to a 115. I've seen 115s on them.

Speaker 8 51:51

Would it be better to get a 16-foot or a 17-foot Gen 1?

Speaker 3 51:54

If you like. It depends on what kind of gear you carry. I mean I like a 16-foot boat, especially the Mach. All right, we built the Mach 1 like six, seven years ago. I mean it ran so good, I mean it was just awesome. We kind of held back on it. But I like a 16-foot boat if I ever take a trip to the Flooded Timber, I mean Darrell, you can talk about it.

Speaker 2 52:15

Yeah, I like a 16-foot boat boat, but um, for me that's 17 foot. It depends what you're doing. If I was gonna have one boat that does everything all year round, I'm going 17 because you can do, you can fish out of, have plenty of room you can haul.

Speaker 2 52:27

Now if you're going from south carolina, say, to artisaw, you know you and four people can get in that boat, have plenty of room for guns, dogs, gear. So if I'm doing one all-around boat, I'm going 17 foot. Yeah, because it's not. It's not that big between 16 and 17.

Speaker 1 52:39

It really ain't, it really is it's really not so. I prefer a 17 foot, and they're both the same width.

Speaker 2 52:44

Yeah, so I would go 17 if it was me. But, like I said, a Mach 1, 1656, that's what I ran all last year and I loved it too, and that's what I'm saying. It's really whatever you want.

Speaker 1 53:02

I would say that the 17 footer is more of like a universal. You can do it all in it and the Mach 1 is probably a little bit more leaning towards performance.

Speaker 4 53:13

Yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 1 53:14

I think for what you're saying, you're going to do with it, I would say honestly the Gen 1, 1756 Marsh Runner.

Speaker 5 53:21

I have a buddy that just bought a marsh runner, a gen 1, like a couple weeks ago he put a 115 on it.

Speaker 3 53:25

Now it's not ready for 115.

Speaker 5 53:27

I think he might have just put 115 stickers on it oh whatever but I know he's running almost 65 miles an hour. Yeah, yeah, and it's stable like runs. The main difference I mean you asked me, you asked earlier in the conversation the difference in a good 265. The main difference.

Speaker 3 53:39

I mean you asked me, you asked earlier in the conversation the difference in Reapers and everybody else. The main difference is 14 degrees. With a cutout box, that cutout box is going to give you more setback at top end speed and that's the magic deal right there. Magic that's going to give you the most speed without plowing water. It's set up for top end speed.

Speaker 2 54:00

Absolutely, absolutely. If you got any questions, just holler back at his man.

Speaker 1 54:05

Yeah, he calls back texts back and we'll definitely help you get set up with the rig you're looking for. If you have more questions, you know.

Speaker 3 54:10

You can always call Michael. You can always call Michael Shockley too. He's available. Yeah, michael Shockley, 24.

Speaker 5 54:17

My number's on the website Look it up Yep, you can find it there and you can also, if you're in South Carolina, I'm sure you're familiar with Southside David.

Speaker 3 54:23

McGee's there. David will help you out.

Speaker 5 54:24

Yeah, you definitely go holler at David Dave McGee's like the martial arts king over there, and even if you're closer to Fowler, I'm sure Fowler can hook him up too.

Speaker 3 54:33

There ain't nobody that sells more.

Speaker 5 54:35

Absolutely not. No For sure.

Speaker 8 54:37

Well, man, I sure do appreciate y'all answering my phone call yeah, man, it was awesome dude.

Speaker 1 54:42

All right, man, you have a good one. Bud you too, man Later.

Speaker 7 54:45

Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 54:48

That was good. Hey guys, I'm going to take a quick pee break.

Speaker 3 54:52

Y'all keep talking about setup. Hey, if y'all have to take a pee break, Well, okay, either way guys. I just said that. Y'all keep talking about it. You can't go now.

Speaker 8 55:05

Go, alrighty, you ready.

Speaker 6 55:09

Ready.

Speaker 5 55:27

And this is going to be a podcast you can cut up and make shorts out of, too, be great.

Speaker 10 55:31

Your call has been forwarded to voicemail the person.

Speaker 14 55:36

Who's?

Speaker 1 55:36

going to leave a bad-ass voicemail.

Speaker 13 55:41

The next caller has a name of Mrs.

Speaker 14 55:43

Shockley.

Speaker 5 55:45

Are you serious?

Speaker 14 55:46

Oh fuck.

Speaker 5 55:47

Oh, this is great Mrs.

Speaker 2 55:48

Shockley.

Speaker 3 55:49

I'm here for this one, mrs Shockley.

Speaker 2 55:50

You want to do that one?

Speaker 1 55:52

Yes, alright here we go. She's going to call us dumb dude. She's thinking of roast, all four of us. Yeah, just hang up. I got to put a dip in for this.

Speaker 5 56:06

Give me a dip Chalk is scared, deb, she's scared, she's scared.

Speaker 1 56:23

Hello, hey, you're on Off the.

Speaker 6 56:27

Clock with B Scott. Who this? Who you call, where you calling from. My name is ret g. I have a question for michael shockley yes, let's hear it.

Speaker 5 56:31

Go ahead. Ret g what do you have?

Speaker 6 56:34

do you think your mod 40 is the fastest havoc out there?

Speaker 5 56:40

I do not think it's the fastest out there, but I think it's faster than most.

Speaker 9 56:47

What a good way to put it now.

Speaker 1 56:48

Let me ask you do you think he has the fastest Havoc?

Speaker 6 56:52

Who do you think the fastest is?

Speaker 1 56:55

Probably the guy sitting next to him.

Speaker 8 56:56

I like this kid.

Speaker 5 56:58

I don't know, g, who do you think the fastest is?

Speaker 6 57:03

I got another question okay I hear your coaching's background what's your question, reggie? Do you think your mod 40 is faster than my mom's mac one?

Speaker 1 57:17

absolutely. I don't know about that. I don't think so. I think y'all are going to have to line them up. I know who looks better.

Speaker 5 57:23

Now it depends on if you're talking about faster on top end or faster in 660.

Speaker 3 57:28

I'd rather look at the Mach 1.

Speaker 1 57:30

That's a way better looking setup.

Speaker 6 57:32

Yes On the big end is my mom's Mach 1 faster.

Speaker 2 57:39

On the big end.

Speaker 5 57:40

Why don't we talk about big end the way it's?

Speaker 3 57:42

set up.

Speaker 1 57:43

I don't know, Shavey.

Speaker 3 57:44

Something's all about that 660.

Speaker 1 57:47

I would say Whitney's going to win 9 out of 10 times.

Speaker 5 57:50

On the big end.

Speaker 1 57:51

Especially on the looks 9 out of 10 times. She wins on multiple, multiple stages.

Speaker 3 57:57

Here Are we having a bikini contest or are we having a speed contest?

Speaker 1 58:02

It don't matter, it's hard to look at Shockley I think Whitney needs to win both.

Speaker 6 58:08

I think so Well, but only one way to find out.

Speaker 8 58:13

It's a live call out. Are we going to go to the studio and get called out?

Speaker 3 58:18

Mama won the race. That's awesome. That was good.

Speaker 1 58:22

Poor guy, dude, your fame just started and ended the same day.

Speaker 2 58:28

Thank you for calling in bud. Hey, rick G, tell your mom to make another strawberry cake. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 58:33

Call back in a little bit longer and roast chocolate.

Speaker 6 58:35

You got it.

Speaker 3 58:36

I love those brownies, dude, that was good. Yeah, she cooks. Good she did.

Speaker 6 58:41

Bye y'all.

Speaker 2 58:42

Bye-bye.

Speaker 5 58:47

See you later.

Speaker 3 58:48

Unbelievable, unbelievable. Hey, god glad I actually don't have this number. These people.

Speaker 13 58:53

Okay, this one's a wireless caller, is all it says. This is a good one. What?

Speaker 5 58:56

area code 762. I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 2 58:59

That, as this is a good one. What area code? 762. That's Mississippi, right, oh? My god, that might be Lucas.

Speaker 1 59:05

Hey, what's going on? You're on Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Michael Shockley, daryl Moore and Tim Scott with me. What?

Speaker 8 59:11

you got going on. What's up, Daryl? I was calling to ask y'all.

Speaker 3 59:18

I was calling to ask.

Speaker 1 59:20

Go ahead.

Speaker 8 59:20

Sorry, you're an idiot let's call it the ask what y'all's opinion on like when to use an outboard versus like a gator tail during duck season?

Speaker 11 59:34

in like which position?

Speaker 2 59:36

I mean, honestly, it just depends on what you got. I mean it don't it really. I mean depends on where you got. I mean it really. I mean Depends on where you hunt. Depends on where you hunt. Yeah, I mean that's basically what it is. I feel like gator tail has its benefits. You know, if it's low water, you can pretty much go anywhere.

Speaker 2 59:51

But you know, a gator tail, I mean an outboard you can do the same thing. I mean either one can get the job done, either one gets the job done. Now, with the Freedom you get a mix of both. That answers a lot of people's problems. You can just get a Freedom motor that does both. It's an outboard and a surface drive, essentially mixed in one, unless it's extreme.

Speaker 3 1:00:09

Yeah, unless it's extreme, that extreme sticky, nasty, beaten stuff.

Speaker 1 1:00:15

A lot of times we tell people the mud motors won't do it. A lot of times, if, if you can only get there in a mud motor and the whole trip is like that, like it's nothing but like extreme, you know water, then you're gonna have to have a. You know you're gonna have to have a gator tail or mud buddy or you know some kind of service driver. But you know a lot of people they only have to actually go through, say, a small section of their trip. They, they need a mud motor for, yeah, and that's kind of the inconvenience of the whole ordeal and that's why, you know, this past year we pushed the freedoms, because that's a good, I mean that's a good question for daryl, I mean.

Speaker 3 1:00:52

I mean, I mean thank you for asking this, but yeah, yeah uh, how, how often do you run your, your mud motor? I mean, how long do you have to run it when you don't need?

Speaker 2 1:01:01

it. Uh, I run it a lot. I mean, there's a lot of times where I don't though. You know, you just run in the river. But then there's some situations, you know, like we go down to, let's say, I don't know north louisiana or you know south arkansas, where, like you gotta run it 100 of time. You know, yeah, so it just depends on where you're going.

Speaker 5 1:01:17

Yes, um and a lot of it down there in south artisaw, as you say. It's where we land it. That's what I call it whenever, when we get into our hole and land it. Well, getting back on pad, yeah, I got you. That's the issue with me yeah, I mean without boards.

Speaker 2 1:01:33

I think bscot made the best of. You're gonna be doing mud mudder stuff 90 percent of time hitting stones, jumping logs get a mud mudder you know a mud mudder, you know 100%. But if you're going to be running a river 90% of the time and just cruising down channels, what about 50-50?

Speaker 3 1:01:46

Like this customer 50-50.

Speaker 2 1:01:48

He's not sure. If I'm 50-50, I'm probably going mud boat. Honestly, yeah, if I'm 50-50.

Speaker 5 1:01:55

Because you just don't know, because strictly hunting I'm the same way. Yeah, it's just something.

Speaker 2 1:01:58

But if you're gonna be fishing, if I'm be fishing like, let's say, if I'm only gonna hunt duck season, which is 20 of the year, and I'm gonna fish the other 80, I'm going outboard.

Speaker 3 1:02:06

I got you see, that's a valid point too so this customer probably 50, 50 yeah if he's 50, 50 he should, he should go mud motor yeah, are you talking about just hunting?

Speaker 2 1:02:14

are you gonna be running sandbars and fishing?

Speaker 13 1:02:18

hello you're asking again it's pagan years you're asking me yeah, yeah yeah, I just hunt the timber um, so if you're just just on timber.

Speaker 2 1:02:28

Yeah, just on timber, I'd get it. I'll work.

Speaker 3 1:02:30

Yeah, I'll work yeah, because you want to deal with the tiller torrent. If you're not sure about it, get a freedom yeah I mean to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 1:02:39

I mean the freedom stuff's like smack dab in the middle. I love the freedom in the timber, yeah, I mean that's what's freedom's for.

Speaker 11 1:02:45

Well, hey man, I appreciate it. I gotta go.

Speaker 2 1:02:47

Thank y'all all right, sir, have a good one, bye now, I respect that short, sweet got a damn answer.

Speaker 6 1:02:55

He got to check time, yeah, time check out here break time.

Speaker 8 1:02:57

Yeah, that's it, he's like hey, he.

Speaker 3 1:03:00

He just want to get famous.

Speaker 1 1:03:00

But you know a lot of people a lot of people, though, ask that question. Yeah, it's such a hard question because, like, because you're spending so much money on it.

Speaker 5 1:03:09

He left it so open though. Yeah, like, what are you going to be doing? Are you hunting error? But the problem is there is a lot of people like that that don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's a good question.

Speaker 3 1:03:25

Yeah, that helped somebody that's watching this yeah, for sure I would think for 50 50. I agree with daryl a lot. I do too. If you're 50 50 you go with the mud motor because then you got the whole field covered.

Speaker 5 1:03:33

Yeah, yeah yeah, you know, now you're going to deal. I've done everything with a mud motor. I've ran yo-yos with a mud motor. Oh, oh yeah, I've done that. Now it sucks.

Speaker 1 1:03:40

It sucks doing the stuff.

Speaker 2 1:03:42

You don't need a mud motor for with a mud motor, I can tell you like a 40-minute boat ride with a mud motor does suck. I don't care what nobody says.

Speaker 5 1:03:47

That's why all my mud motors were built with turbos.

Speaker 3 1:03:59

That way you're not running 28. If you're just hunting flooded timber, I would go outboard and if you're not 100% sure. With outboard I mean flooded timber. Get a freedom Perfect.

Speaker 1 1:04:09

Perfect. Alright, we're going to call somebody who we got.

Speaker 11 1:04:13

Robin Swim has been forwarded to voice now.

Speaker 13 1:04:17

The person you're trying to reach is gone.

Speaker 1 1:04:19

Alright, are we been forwarded to voice? Now the person you're trying to reach is gone. Hold on, go ahead. Are we calling again? Stewart webb stewart more time. He's called back. Let's do it. He called back.

Speaker 7 1:04:29

He called back your call has been forwarded to an automatic voice message.

Speaker 3 1:04:41

Uh-oh, you're going to call him back.

Speaker 5 1:04:42

This is the hard part on this getting everybody in Phone tag.

Speaker 1 1:04:45

But I'll be honest with you, though it gives us good time to sit and talk about each situation after, though I like it.

Speaker 8 1:04:50

I like the way it's set up.

Speaker 9 1:04:51

How about Brent Sims?

Speaker 3 1:04:55

Brent Sims. Brent Sims, let's talk to Brent Sims.

Speaker 4 1:04:57

Let's do it.

Speaker 3 1:05:00

We haven't got very much hate yet, though you know.

Speaker 5 1:05:03

I don't know. Rhett G was kind of hateful who.

Speaker 1 1:05:06

Rhett, rhett to you, hello. Hey, what's going on? You're on Off the Cockle B Scott With me. I got Michael Shockley, tim Scott and Daryl Moore who?

Speaker 15 1:05:15

are you and where are you calling from? Yes, sir man, I'm Brent Sims. I'm from Arkansas, actually at Beebe, Not too far.

Speaker 3 1:05:20

Oh heck, yeah man what you got going on.

Speaker 15 1:05:24

Man, is that like me?

Speaker 3 1:05:25

You building houses, dude, or what?

Speaker 15 1:05:27

Let me nail that off real quick. Sorry about that, hey that sounds like a.

Speaker 5 1:05:30

That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 1:05:36

Are you at Tim's house, Dude are you working? That's awesome, dude. He's a frame-er.

Speaker 15 1:05:40

Sorry about that man. I was kind of writing a compliment.

Speaker 3 1:05:42

No, dude, it's okay, man, we love it. Dude, we love it. Man, you're running, no good.

Speaker 15 1:05:46

So I just picked up a new boat man. I'm kind of new to the duck boat scene. My last duck boat was a Dagon War Eagle with a .25.

Speaker 6 1:05:54

Are you a guy? No, so.

Speaker 15 1:05:55

I decided. I was going to get a new boat and I was like man, I got to get the baddest one I can get. So I bought a 24RDB ST. That's a bad one. Got it from Will over at Ricochet. Yeah, he's a good dealer.

Speaker 15 1:06:09

So trying to get it set up right now I'm having a little problem with it hopping. The setup on it right now is a stock 59cc mark mark, that's an 04 mark. Uh, it's got an oiler delete on it. You know, um, it's got a 16 pitch ybs on it and I've got a, uh, six inch vent or a circle s kick jack on it, kick plate word, um. And I've got it set up where the man, the cab, plates, probably right at the plug or maybe just a cut here above the plug. Um rides good until I start trimming up.

Speaker 3 1:06:40

It wants to start doing a little hopping on me you probably don't have enough rpms for that 16 pitch prop do what you probably don't have enough uh rpms for the 16 prop what size was?

Speaker 1 1:06:51

it I'm sorry, do what. You probably don't have the rpms for that 16 pitch uh, prop, yeah, um, because it's a stock Merc, right, yeah, and what size boat did you say it was?

Speaker 15 1:07:05

Yeah, so it's stock for now. It's getting ready to go to Westbrook here in a few months and I'm going to do a 130 hunt port on it. That'll help. That's the plan Either the 130 or the 150 custom sleeve. I'm kind of torn on which way I want to go on it yet.

Speaker 3 1:07:21

Josh is super good building his motors.

Speaker 1 1:07:22

Yeah you're going to get a pretty stout one Go 150.

Speaker 3 1:07:25

But what I'm hearing right now, the 16 pitch is too much for it until the motor goes to Josh.

Speaker 5 1:07:31

And that jack plate a lighter jack plate too. Yeah, you need a little heavier jack plate.

Speaker 15 1:07:36

Yeah, I, yeah, I've got a Bob's kicking jack on the way. That'll change the game.

Speaker 1 1:07:41

I think that'll help a lot.

Prop Selection and Motor Performance

Speaker 3 1:07:42

yeah, that's going to add a little bit of weight to your. It's going to show a little more weight to the back to help your motor out until Josh gets his hands on it. But right now the 16 is too much.

Speaker 5 1:07:52

Yep, I got you After Josh works his magic.

Speaker 15 1:07:55

I had a. There was a 15-pitch what was it? A Power. There was a 15-pitch what was it? A Powertech on it and it was doing the same thing. I just wasn't getting no speed out of me, that dagging prop. I was hitting 36 as I was getting out of that boat.

Speaker 3 1:08:07

I would look for a turbo, or I would look for an Invenience. You know, I got you.

Speaker 15 1:08:10

A Browning Silver something like that.

Speaker 3 1:08:12

Yeah, I would stay away from those props and stay away from the semi-cleaver. You know the ybs is until until you get your motor got you.

Speaker 5 1:08:20

Is that a 553? Yes, sir, yes, and it said it was a 24, so it was the last one.

Speaker 15 1:08:25

It's a non-foam boat. Yeah, nice, that was pretty pretty you better hang on. I bet the last one we'll had that didn't have foam in it, so there ain't very many of those, no, you definitely slid in there at the right time, for sure the I

Speaker 5 1:08:38

think the bobs is going to help you out more than anything. Yeah, it's gonna end that prop.

Speaker 1 1:08:43

It's gonna add some weight to the back and help with your balance point. It's gonna move it further back and help stable the. You know, stabilize the nose a little bit when you're driving.

Speaker 5 1:08:51

And if westbrook's gonna build your motor, tell him let you try some different props. He's got a bunch of them.

Speaker 3 1:08:55

Yeah, josh has plenty of props. Don't let him.

Speaker 15 1:08:57

Uh, yeah, don't let, yeah, yeah, yeah, I talked to him that's the reason I went with the 16 while he said man, as soon as you get it built, that's the prop you're gonna want it is, so I went ahead and grabbed it because I say it's going to.

Speaker 3 1:09:07

It's going to westbrook within the next couple months oh yeah, you picked a good motor builder man, you picked a good.

Speaker 1 1:09:12

Not only that, but you got the right stuff coming into play here to have a really good run of both yeah.

Speaker 5 1:09:16

Yeah, he's anal about his motor, so he's going to do good yeah.

Speaker 15 1:09:19

I looked out because you know his shop is right there in Beavey so he's like five minutes from my house, so it's going to be easy to get in there.

Speaker 3 1:09:27

And he's straight up too. He won't bullshit you. Oh yeah, yeah Well man, I appreciate you sir, yes sir.

Speaker 1 1:09:33

You have a good day, you too, bud.

Speaker 3 1:09:42

All he's going to have a good run of both.

Speaker 5 1:09:43

It's awesome seeing people like Josh Bracebrook, step up and build these motors for people. Oh yeah, do it right, you know, and clean.

Speaker 3 1:09:47

He's always been really really fast, you know.

Speaker 1 1:09:49

Yeah, Well he's one of the guys that really just bought into it. He's an original Back in the day he is.

Speaker 3 1:09:57

He's original for sure. There's a lot of fakes out there. He ain't one of them.

Speaker 5 1:10:01

I mean until Haley came along. I thought he was gay for the longest, haley, no, I thought Josh was before she came along, he always wore those damn spinnerbait pants.

Speaker 3 1:10:10

You know what those are.

Speaker 1 1:10:11

Yes.

Speaker 2 1:10:11

Spinnerbait pants, what?

Speaker 3 1:10:13

is that you don't know what spinnerbait pants are. Bedazzled. He likes to wear all that fancy stuff on his back pockets, those fancy pants.

Speaker 1 1:10:21

He got like the show pants. What are those called.

Speaker 5 1:10:24

Bling, bling. Josh is one of the few that I've never got into it with, and I've liked him from the get go.

Speaker 3 1:10:29

Ashley says Josh Westbrook looks better when he's fatter. Well, that's just because you're fat and she likes you I think so Probably.

Speaker 5 1:10:36

What else does Tim?

Speaker 3 1:10:37

have Love handles. No, we ain't going to do that.

Speaker 7 1:10:41

Hey, my son will tell you my son will tell you my three-year-old grandson is wrong.

Speaker 3 1:10:49

Let's leave that off. Cut, cut, I'll pay everybody Cut.

Speaker 1 1:10:52

Oh man, we got any more missed calls coming in, or what?

Speaker 5 1:10:58

Nothing. Are we all caught up? What about Daniel Simpson? Are we going to call him back again, man?

Speaker 3 1:11:01

I need to take a piss before that gets on. That's going to be a hoot.

Speaker 1 1:11:03

Yeah, I know I know, can we go to commercial break guys? We want to thank our sponsors and everybody that made this happen. Don't forget to check out our gear shop. We got tons of new merch on there and we're going. We'll be back, good. There we go, we're getting a call.

Speaker 3 1:11:23

Did I call you hey?

Speaker 1 1:11:25

what's going on? You're on Off the Clock with Beast Guy. I got Michael Shockley, daryl Moore and Tim Scott with me.

Speaker 13 1:11:32

How are you doing? All right, man, how's it going?

Speaker 1 1:11:34

Oh, it sounds like Nick. It is Nick. Is this Quick Nick? We're talking to.

Speaker 13 1:11:38

This is Quick Nick. It Is this Quick Nick we're talking to.

Speaker 5 1:11:41

This is Quick Nick, it's ex-Quick Nick. He don't drive no more.

Speaker 3 1:11:42

No, I talked to his wife last night.

Speaker 1 1:11:46

He's still Quick, nick. What you been up to, man. You been staying busy.

Speaker 13 1:11:51

Yeah, we've been busy Just working rigging boats man.

Speaker 1 1:11:54

That's right.

Speaker 13 1:11:56

Been setting them up, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 1:11:59

We've been sailing quite a few. What, uh what's the most? Boats, like most of one model boats that you, that you start setting up, that you see come through.

Speaker 13 1:12:06

People need help setting up uh, it's gonna be the vjs man that's uh, especially here lately. Uh, because you know a lot of this social media stuff and floating the nose and everything. Everybody thinks it's cool to float the nose but they definitely. You have to do a lot more setting up on a VJ to try to get it to do that and it just wasn't built for that.

Speaker 3 1:12:32

Why? I mean why they wanted to buy a VJ.

Speaker 13 1:12:37

Do what now?

Speaker 3 1:12:38

How come they wanted to buy a VJ? Because it's cheap, because it's cheap, because it's cheap. That's what I think. Yeah, it was the two thousand dollars cheaper than rdbst. Yeah, and they're gonna spend that and set up.

Speaker 1 1:12:49

Well, they're gonna spend two thousand dollars on jet play that's 100 right, you know, it's almost like they almost cut the corner on the model they get and then try to achieve what the rdbs can. The mod 40s can get way easier, you know, and spend more money and set up anything but to their defense, it is hard to find a mod 40, see.

Speaker 3 1:13:09

Now, that's a good point too well, I mean you got rdbs teas everywhere yeah we build rdbs yeah, once a month what's your go-to setup for?

Speaker 1 1:13:18

uh say, somebody brought you nick a 1653 vjst, had a uh 50 horsepower, four stroke on it. What's your go-to where?

Speaker 13 1:13:31

do you? I mean the. The ideal setup will be a 10 inch you know bob's jack plate. Uh, depending on what they're, you know, if they're all they're worried about is speed and they're trying to get the most out of the boat, the only way to achieve that is with like a heavy 10-inch jack plate setup. Right, that's correct.

Speaker 13 1:13:56

The only issue that I've seen that what we've ran into, especially here lately, is a lot of people like the six-inch bulbs for the kick you know the kick and jack and when they come to buy the boat and you go over everything on the boat and what they're going to do with it, just say, hey, I want a stable platform for hunting and fishing and this is what I'm not. I'm not really concerned about speed. That's why I bought a 50 tots or a 40 tots, right. And then what happens is, you know, they go to the sandbar and now all the sudden their buddy has a mod 40 and they're wondering why, what you know, why I can't trim out like he can or what you know yeah, but there's a three thousand dollars difference between the two their priority.

Speaker 13 1:14:49

Their priorities seem to shift. It's, it's like seasonal, you know it's. It's they like that good, they like that six inches of setback during hunting season and it's good and stable and everything. But then, as their the seasons change, their priorities change. Now they want their boat to do something else, exactly.

Speaker 1 1:15:06

I bet you what's happening that I hadn't even realized might be happening is, I bet you the VJST, like the VJ Series boats, is a good, great starter package rig and it gets them into kind of the community, the duck boat community. You know they go to these sandbars, they're hanging out with other people that have duck boats and stuff. Then they start seeing what other boats are doing and they try to go after that with what they have currently.

Speaker 3 1:15:33

I'm confused on why people think performance come with a cheaper price. I don't know. I mean, when I buy something I always like, if I want the premium product you spend the money.

Speaker 13 1:15:43

It's kind of money yeah you know, why is?

Speaker 3 1:15:47

it why is people trying to buy vjs and try to talk to those with them?

Speaker 2 1:15:51

daryl, just want to save some money, man but they're not.

Speaker 5 1:15:54

I know they're not, I think I think what it is.

Speaker 2 1:15:56

They go in a dealership and they see like, let's say, prince, they go up to nick's place, right, and they go to west formers. And they see like, let's say, for instance, they go up to Nick's place, right, and they go to the West Formers and they say, hey, I want a boat. They tell them, hey, there's a price for this boat, there's a price for that.

Speaker 5 1:16:12

And they be like oh, I can save $3,000 here, I'm just going to get that, that's a lot. But they don't realize that you hole's got a different degree hole.

Speaker 3 1:16:20

I think it's our fault that we don't tell people more about the RDBST.

Speaker 1 1:16:24

And more about the setup and the difference between them and the degrees.

Speaker 2 1:16:26

I mean, they're just totally like 14 and 8 is a big difference, and it might be a problem too, that our VJs are such a good boat. It is a good boat, it's a cheaper model that's built out of 586 alloy.

Speaker 3 1:16:39

Yeah, it's a cheaper model that's built out of 586 alloy. Yeah, I mean come on, a lot of these custom boat builders out there charge thousands of dollars for 586. Nobody else does it. It's an upgrade, it's our standard material.

Speaker 2 1:16:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:16:50

Right, so yeah, so I think we're all learning and I think that it is mostly our fault, but I think that they hear that the VJSTs are lighter and they assume that the VJSTs are lighter and they assume that lighter means faster.

Speaker 5 1:17:01

No way and it's not the case, and I tell customers on the daily that don't want to spend the money on like a 10-inch Bob's, they've already got a Vance or a 6-inch. That's true. Buy 4-inch setback plates. Put the plates on the boat. That way your jack plates further back. It's more weight transfer.

Speaker 3 1:17:19

More weight. You don't have to buy another 10-inch set, unless it's a super wide jack plate though A 14-and-a-half-inch jack plate. The water comes off that box, especially if it's an RDBST. It comes off that box and hits that jack plate.

Speaker 5 1:17:31

No, I'm talking about starting out with a 6 and then put 4 on it to give them 10. You don't have to spend extra money to go buy a 10-inch jack plate if you got a 6 already. You can put four-inch blocks on it.

Speaker 3 1:17:43

So, Nick, are you seeing all this stuff too? Is customers confused about what to put on their boats?

Speaker 13 1:17:53

Yeah, I mean there's a beauty to having different models because you can reach more people, but at the same time it's like the same thing. I'm doing this target archery stuff and I go Thursday nights and I'm shooting against guys with big fat shaft arrows and magnification and everything and I'm at a disadvantage because they bought a tool that performs better at that particular thing.

Speaker 3 1:18:23

Right, have you ordered yours yet? I'll save my $9,000.

Speaker 13 1:18:26

It's the same.

Speaker 10 1:18:28

Go ahead.

Speaker 13 1:18:29

It's the same. I mean, you know, if you're wanting to float the nose, you know, the RDBST or the Marsh Runner, Mach 1 or the, or the mob, that is the hole to do that with it's going to be the most efficient hole hole too.

Speaker 1 1:18:46

You know, that's the thing you don't want to bury the transom in the water I think if we can just do a better job directing people on what model suits them better from the get-go, I think it'll definitely help a lot of people out.

Speaker 5 1:19:02

We can explain it to them. And here lately I have been getting a lot of calls about that. Hey, what model do you think I need?

Speaker 3 1:19:08

Because there's so many, Like we did a while ago. You guys realize we get 40, 50 new customers every week.

Speaker 5 1:19:12

Yeah we get 40, 50 new phone calls a day too, and Nick I hate to cut you off, man.

Speaker 1 1:19:17

We got our phone blowing up. People are asking setup questions, man, For you guys that have any questions. You can also hit Nick West up. He's a setup specialist. Right, this guy knows his stuff. He does so, nick. Thank you for calling, man. It was good talking to you. I love calling. We're going to keep taking calls.

Speaker 2 1:19:35

Just answer the one that's calling right now. See who it is.

Speaker 1 1:19:39

Can I pee this is we can't know.

Speaker 2 1:19:42

If you want to, can I pee no?

Speaker 1 1:19:45

I got to pee really bad, can we pee?

Speaker 5 1:19:47

for real. Can we get some hoses and some funnels just over here, Dude? We need some urinals up in there here dude Answer.

Speaker 1 1:19:52

then go pee.

Speaker 3 1:19:53

All right, let's do one more call and let's hit him

Speaker 2 1:19:59

up, it's gotta be soon.

Speaker 4 1:20:00

Who is?

Speaker 8 1:20:00

this John Malik.

Speaker 2 1:20:02

Match it. Match it, my tea.

Speaker 1 1:20:10

Hey, what's going on? You're on Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Michael Shockley with me, daryl Moore and Tim Scott. Who are you and where are you calling from?

Speaker 14 1:20:19

Landry Matchett calling from currently in Austin, Texas, Austin.

Speaker 1 1:20:23

Texas. So what you got going on man, you going to have it.

Speaker 14 1:20:27

Yeah, so I bought one back in late February, early March first time, and I bought the 1756 MSTC 1756 MSTC. All right I put a 60 to Hatsu on.

Speaker 3 1:20:44

Why did you just asking why did you buy a 1756 MSTC with a 60 to Hatsu Do what? How can we buy that combination of both? Why didn't you buy a DBST?

Speaker 14 1:20:58

So I originally went in and when I went to the dealer I priced out the DBST and by the time I got back to the dealer he didn't have that one anymore, but he had the MSTC there, so I went with it. Okay, I got you. I got you.

Speaker 3 1:21:15

Makes sense.

Speaker 5 1:21:15

I got you. It's the same hole, except for the ribs, I guess.

Speaker 3 1:21:18

Well, it's also the way we weld the transom too. It's different.

Speaker 2 1:21:21

Does it have the inverted ribs? No, it'll have inverted keels Well go ahead.

Speaker 3 1:21:26

Inverted keels, sorry. Go ahead with your question.

Speaker 14 1:21:34

What you got going on, man. So I was just curious on that one. I don't know. I've got the aluminum prop that came on it right, it did fine and I hit a little sand with it and kind of pulled up the edges of it. But I mean, other than that I've been very, very well pleased with the boat. But it's my first time in any kind of bigger aluminum boat, I guess. Yes sir, yes sir, and that's good.

Speaker 5 1:22:02

You'll like it a lot more when you get you a stainless steel prop on there too. Yeah, we'll definitely get a stainless steel prop.

Speaker 1 1:22:09

What pitch prop do you guys recommend?

Speaker 5 1:22:11

We have 15 pitch all day long. Oh yeah, for that big of a boat 15.

Speaker 14 1:22:15

Yeah, it came with an 11 by 16 on it.

Speaker 3 1:22:18

Well, the aluminum prop is going to be a little lighter prop so you can spin it with a higher pitch. The stainless is a little heavier prop, so you've got to keep that in mind. We could tend to spin a heavier aluminum prop, a bigger pitch aluminum prop, because it's just a lighter prop itself.

Speaker 5 1:22:33

Yeah, the material itself is lighter, but it flexes. It does flex. Don't think you're going to lose speed going back to a 15 stainless because it does flex. Don't think you're going to lose speed going back to a 15 stainless, because you're probably not. You might actually even gain.

Speaker 3 1:22:44

It's true, yeah, yeah. So I would go with a good 15-pitch stainless steel prop.

Speaker 1 1:22:52

What about setback? What are you running on that boat, setback-wise?

Speaker 14 1:22:55

I'm running a 6-inch. Bob's kicking jack on it. That's it.

Speaker 1 1:23:04

That's all he's going to be able to get out of that boat. Yeah, that's what you get. You got the right setup. Yeah, that's right. So I think that definitely.

Speaker 3 1:23:08

You know you go and get a stainless prop. I think you'd be good. Yeah, I mean unless you come in other problems.

Speaker 1 1:23:11

But other than that, the props is the situation I see and especially if you're, if you're happy with the way it's running. I mean with that.

VJ vs Performance Models Debate

Speaker 5 1:23:19

if you're happy with the way it's running with that prop, you're really going to be happy with the way it runs With a stainless.

Speaker 3 1:23:23

yeah, yeah, get you a Turbo 15 or even a YBS 15 would be awesome.

Speaker 1 1:23:30

It would be great for it.

Speaker 14 1:23:33

Thank you.

Speaker 1 1:23:34

All right, man. Well, hey, if you've got any more questions, I appreciate you calling and if you need more help, also always setting up your boat, you can always reach out to us. Texas, call us whatever man Michael Shockley. His number's on the website and you can get a hold of him. He'd be more than happy to help you.

Speaker 14 1:23:51

I really appreciate it. No problem thanks for calling sir, you have a great day you too, thank you, yeah, bye, bye yeah, he'll like that stainless prop oh for sure.

Speaker 2 1:24:04

I already lost his boat.

Speaker 5 1:24:05

You know what's crazy. He liked it with that prop.

Speaker 3 1:24:06

You know what's crazy though it's like you realize. You know that's what this is. I know what you're gonna say. We're always focused around the hate, you know there's a lot of guys just don't know.

Speaker 1 1:24:16

There's a lot of guys who just don't know they don't care I feel like an asshole.

Speaker 3 1:24:19

Well, you are an asshole.

Speaker 1 1:24:21

You're always bitching about people hating on us, dude. It's like not everybody hates on us. We got some guys that actually enjoy their boats. Have y'all noticed that?

Speaker 5 1:24:30

no, haters is called, though I know.

Speaker 3 1:24:38

You know why? No haters are Boom, I'm a badass, I know their next excuse is going to be they're going to say we did it while they were working.

Speaker 2 1:24:44

Oh, good God, it's okay, we're going to do one at 7 o'clock at night.

Speaker 3 1:24:47

Nobody works at that time We'll do one tonight we're at work.

Speaker 14 1:24:51

Yeah, we're at work.

Speaker 3 1:24:52

Yeah well, that's what we do for a living, shockley.

Speaker 10 1:24:55

Wireless caller here we come.

Speaker 2 1:25:01

I would love some more ice in my drink, though I got sniffle every time it starts ringing. I don't want to sniffle in the mic because that's annoying.

Speaker 5 1:25:06

I blink a lot.

Speaker 2 1:25:08

Yeah, sir, blinks a lot.

Speaker 1 1:25:13

Hello. Hey, you're on Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Michael Shockley, daryl Moore and Tim Scott.

Speaker 2 1:25:18

Really.

Speaker 1 1:25:19

What's your name and where are you calling from?

Speaker 12 1:25:22

Hey, I'm Joe. I'm calling from Nashville, nashville.

Speaker 3 1:25:25

Nashville, Arkansas or Tennessee.

Speaker 12 1:25:27

Nope, nashville Tennessee.

Speaker 2 1:25:28

You been on Broadway lately. Heck, yeah, he didn't hear you.

Speaker 3 1:25:33

He probably don't miss a Broadway.

Speaker 1 1:25:34

Hey you been on.

Speaker 2 1:25:35

Broadway lately.

Speaker 12 1:25:37

I'm sorry, I can't hear you guys too well. What did you say? I apologize.

Speaker 2 1:25:39

I said have you been on Broadway lately?

Speaker 12 1:25:42

Oh man, I try to stay far away from there. It's fun every once in a while, but that wears off pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 1:25:48

Oh, I guarantee it, man Do you own a Havoc.

Speaker 12 1:25:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a 2021 VJ 1550. Absolutely love it. I have a stock 59 CI on the back of it with a Bob's kicking jack. Yeah, I absolutely love it. I mean, I've thought about getting a new Havoc, but, man, I've put that boat through hell and back and she never lets me down. And yeah, I don't have to worry about beating her up. I can hunt her hard and, yeah, it's not not the prettiest rig, but she definitely gets the job done that's awesome, man, so do is.

Speaker 1 1:26:26

All you do with it is just hunt out of it. Do you ride river with it? Sandbar?

Speaker 12 1:26:30

no, I definitely. Yeah, I ride the sandbar on it and then I throw a trolling motor on there. Uh, probably about you know, around february for for crappie fishing and just to uh and just uh, just to fish. You know, around february for for crappie fishing and just to uh and just uh, just to fish. You know I don't I like to fish for fun, but that's just about it. But yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 5 1:26:46

It does everything I I needed to do the the rest of the year so you hunt, fish sandbar, beat on it everything you can imagine on a vj hole, right? I'm sorry say that again. I I said so you fish you sandbar, you hunt, you beat on it on a VJ, yep, on a VJ hole. What do you like about the VJ? That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 1:27:08

What do you like about the VJ STC?

Speaker 12 1:27:12

What I like about it. Have you had other models.

Speaker 3 1:27:15

Have you had other models?

Speaker 12 1:27:17

No, I haven't had the other models want to say really the. The biggest thing I like about the vj is like the price point right, like you get into a havoc for a for a good price and you're going to get the same quality as a havoc um that you would with the other model. You know you're not sacrificing quality but you just don't have all the bells and whistles, um. And for a guy like me, you know, I just I'm, I'm originally from from Jersey, moved down to Tennessee a couple of years ago and you know, just really got into duck hunting the past two years. So you know I didn't need something super fancy. I also didn't need something that was going to break the bank, you know. So it really it does. It does everything I needed to do and I think that it's a, it was a, it was a good transition into, like you know, in the duck boats and just tiller boats in general. It was a good jumping off point that's good.

Speaker 3 1:28:09

That's good, it is good, it's. Yes, I'm glad to hear that you're definitely a good caller. Yeah, I mean, you're one of the best cars we have all day.

Speaker 1 1:28:15

You make sense yeah, that's awesome man, I'm glad to hear. Do you have any questions or anything like that about you know, setup or anything?

Speaker 12 1:28:23

Yeah, I mean really I would say, like, when it comes to, like, when it comes to, I really have two questions. And you know I know less about motors. But like, how do you think it'd be, would I get a significant improvement for you know shelling out some money again maybe like a hunt poor you know hunt poor build onto my motor? Um, and then, just like you know prop recommendations, I was, uh, I was hunting down in arkansas and chewed through a prop so I just I had to make a last minute pit stop and now I just have like a 15 pitch power tech on there. Um, I kind of just had to buy in the moment needed something to hunt with. But yeah, I mean I guess those are kind of my two questions, like you know prop recommendations. And then, do you think it would be it'd be worth it for you know to to look into like a hunt port build?

Speaker 3 1:29:14

well, my opinion. I, I go, my opinion.

Speaker 5 1:29:17

I know I'm looking Me and Tim's going to have the same opinion, all right.

Speaker 3 1:29:20

My opinion and I'll let Shockley say something next but absolutely get the motor built, but you need to go with the right setback and you need to go with the right prop and the right builder the right builder of course.

Speaker 3 1:29:34

Definitely a lot of it. But don't you know, once you get your motor built, you need to work on getting your boat balanced, and that's the key is getting your boat balanced. Once you get your boat balanced you can put the power to the prop and then you can pick prop. But you know you can't go wrong with a 16 YBS for hunting the woods. Turbos are good, visions are good, but the most important part is get a builder to build your motor, balance your boat, then pick the prop. What are you gonna say?

Speaker 5 1:30:06

chocolate. No, I agree with that 100. Once you have your motor built, you're gonna have to have a new prop anyway. Yeah, what I tell people every day is everybody's got buddies, it's got props run. Pick your buddies props, figure out which out, which one you need, which one runs best, and then buy one.

Speaker 2 1:30:23

And if you can't I mean what I used to do when I first got my motor built is I would get on Facebook and just ask people hey, I live in this area, I just got a motor built. I don't want to buy one. Does anybody want to meet me at the river?

Speaker 12 1:30:34

Let me try them A lot of guys will.

Speaker 2 1:30:36

They'll put the prop on once you run it real quick before you spend money. So that's also another thing.

Speaker 5 1:30:40

But as far as the motor build, absolutely build your motor.

Speaker 3 1:30:43

I mean, you've got some good builders out there, you've got Quentin Cuzz outboards.

Speaker 12 1:30:48

Westbrook.

Speaker 3 1:30:48

Westbrook Frank. Frank West I mean you've got a lot of good boat builders, a lot of really really here building motors. Uh, you can go back on youtube watch the races. You can see, uh, kind of what we're talking about yep, okay, awesome.

Speaker 12 1:31:11

I guess. Another question too is like and this might have been asked already, but like are you so the? Are you guys seeing a big difference between like the.83 lowers versus the 2.1 lowers? Is that really just going to help with hole shot?

Speaker 5 1:31:24

That depends, yes, but that depends on what you're going to be doing with it In your RPM range. Are you racing, are you just hunting it?

Speaker 12 1:31:34

I'd definitely like to do a little bit of boat racing. I don't get too too crazy about it, Unless you're going to get.

Speaker 2 1:31:38

We're racing like on the like in the sandbar race, not like in the woods racing.

Speaker 5 1:31:42

I would stay away from the big years yeah, I wouldn't, for what it sounds like to me what you do with it, I would stay with the 183s, yeah I would too, I wouldn't, I wouldn't mess with the big years, um, and if you do any messing around, just mess with props. Yeah okay, I mean probably the prop game is big.

Speaker 1 1:31:59

And then I mean, once you get past that, you're already you know, you're already looking into, you know some of our performance holes. Past that you know you're looking in. Like the mod 40. I mean, if you want to take racing serious, you know you will graduate from the, the 1550 vj up to like a mod 40 or a mock one or something we build that has, you know, uh, 14 degree bottom with a built-in setback that will make it easier and more efficient on the water for speed.

Speaker 5 1:32:28

I like what he's talking about racing. I think he's talking about the 4 o'clock races.

Speaker 2 1:32:31

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying the 100 races.

Speaker 1 1:32:34

Yeah, he wants to get a hole, guys, he don't need a 2-0.

Speaker 3 1:32:40

VJ will get down on turns. Yeah, that's where it's all about in the racing.

Speaker 12 1:32:44

Yeah, woods yeah, that's a good call. I think that you're talking about the advantages of the vj too. I feel like you know that you know driving a for someone that doesn't have. I mean, I haven't experienced driving bass boats, things like that. Still, driving a teller is a whole nother story. So I mean, before you, I think you know something for me is like I want to get really comfortable. You know driving that boat before I, before I, you know, looked at the dbsts are really wanting to get crazy, building the motors and stuff, because you know it's uh, you know I'm putting my life at risk and you know, if I'm not, if I'm not being safe, I'm also putting other people's lives it doesn't get.

Speaker 3 1:33:16

It doesn't get hairy to actually get past. I mean, dbsts are pretty stable, you know pretty calm, yeah, you start getting into really fast boats and then you get to the mod 40s and the RDBSTs.

Speaker 1 1:33:27

I mean, I think if performance is what you're after because I haven't heard you really mention durability as far as like jumping stuff, like needing a heavy-duty boat so for what you're talking about, I would probably avoid going the DBST route.

Speaker 5 1:33:42

If you're talking about performance, I would go later down the line.

Speaker 1 1:33:47

I would either go with the VJ and then later down the road, start transitioning to maybe a Mod 40 or something or RDBST.

Speaker 3 1:33:55

So basically it goes, vj is going to be the entry level. Then you've got DBSTs, you've got the RDDBSTs and you've got the Mod 40s. Then you've really wanted big boats, fast speeds. You go to the Marsh Runners.

Speaker 6 1:34:07

Right.

Speaker 3 1:34:09

That's how it's going to work.

Speaker 12 1:34:12

Awesome. Well, I really appreciate you guys. I was just sitting here scrolling on Facebook and saw you guys on it Awesome, it was their outlaw page and I was like you know what Awesome I'm stepping. I'm stepping out of the office real quick. I'm tore up about well, man, I'm glad to work about some duck hunting again and I was like man, it's worth the call.

Speaker 1 1:34:28

I'm glad to hear it, man. Hope you have a good. Did you get it? Hey, what's on? You're on off the clock with b scott. I got michael shopper with me, daryl moore and tim scott. Who are you? Where you from?

Speaker 13 1:34:50

hello, oh god what you doing man yo, this is clinton, what y'all up to. Oh my god, yo, this is.

Speaker 1 1:34:59

Quentin. What y'all up to. Oh my God, what's up, Quentin?

Speaker 3 1:35:02

Sounded like you was in a hurricane there for a second, hey Shockley says oh my God, I'm like who is it? It has to be Quentin. Yeah, he was texting me?

Speaker 5 1:35:09

Oh, was he texting you? He said I just called three times what y'all doing.

Speaker 1 1:35:15

You didn't tell us I man, you've been staying busy, or what man y'all are hard to hear I know it man, everybody's everybody said that you know, daniel and dave's gonna step the game up back we got cricket today, we'll have 18, yeah, yeah we right now. We've made about 17 dollars with the podcast, so we're gonna start up. You know, we'll probably put a tower up in the back here for long damn, I can't hear shit y'all are saying, are you?

Speaker 3 1:35:41

serious. I wonder what the deal is. You think it's a service. Last guy, like he could hear us. Quentin's probably just deaf Quentin races all the time he can't hear shit.

Speaker 1 1:35:52

No, he can't hear shit. Quentin, can you hear us?

Speaker 8 1:35:55

it sounds like you're about 100 yards away from the phone.

Speaker 3 1:36:00

I feel like I'm deep throatthroating this damn mic. I almost took a picture while I go.

Speaker 1 1:36:04

Really he's up in that thing, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 1:36:09

Well, Quentin, what are you doing? What boat do?

Speaker 5 1:36:12

you run, do you have any problems? Huh?

Speaker 6 1:36:16

I'm done, Dude. We're going to have to get rid of you, dude you can't hear shit, Cut, cut cut, I think it's Quentin's phone.

Speaker 5 1:36:22

Get rid of Quentin. Quentin got that Obama phone. The fastest son of a bitch.

Speaker 3 1:36:26

Quentin's the fastest son of a bitch in America and he can't hear us. Hello, Quentin, Huh.

Speaker 10 1:36:37

Get him out of here.

Speaker 3 1:36:38

Hang up, hang up.

Speaker 5 1:36:41

He can't Hang up, hang up.

Speaker 3 1:36:41

There's a nearest. Maybe he came young up. Oh, did he? Maybe I'll call back hey Quentin's fast. That was funny oh yeah, huh, huh, all right, what's?

Speaker 1 1:36:50

up with our telephone. All right, maybe it's us.

Speaker 2 1:36:53

Oh no.

Speaker 1 1:36:53

I mean because some people hear it and some of them are great.

Speaker 2 1:36:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:36:56

I've noticed they hear me better when I say something than when some of y'all say something.

Speaker 6 1:37:00

Maybe it's because I can't hear shit. All right, we got another caller.

Speaker 1 1:37:04

Guys, let's get them on the line. See what it's all about. I think we still got two more people that have called in, which makes like 18 total today. Who is this one?

Speaker 3 1:37:12

calling 18 and 20,. Man, it's pretty busy. Let's not count the missed calls. Yeah, we got a lot of missed calls too.

Speaker 2 1:37:18

Jeez, this should be the last one. It's just 12 o'clock, it's lunchtime.

Speaker 1 1:37:25

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:37:25

They're going to start calling now.

Speaker 5 1:37:27

Yeah, my phone's going to be ringing for the next 12 hours. We should definitely do one after 5 o'clock. He said it sounds like a robot.

Speaker 1 1:37:32

There's probably a service on my phone in here. Hey, take it Your-Fi.

Speaker 4 1:37:38

Somebody's calling. Here we go, here we go.

Speaker 1 1:37:42

Hey, what's going on? You're off the clock with B Scott. With me I got Michael Shockley, daryl Moore and Tim Scott.

Speaker 9 1:37:50

Who are you and where are you from? Hey, how you doing. My name is Patrick Sheffield. I'm from Savannah Georgia. How y'all doing we're doing pretty good man.

Speaker 1 1:37:57

Oh, we're doing pretty good man.

Speaker 9 1:38:00

You own a Havoc, sir, do you own a Havoc? Yeah, I do, I do. I own an RD-BST Sweet.

Speaker 1 1:38:06

Heck yeah, what kind of setup you got on that boat.

Speaker 9 1:38:08

So I have a 50 Yamaha on the back of this boat.

Speaker 4 1:38:12

Two-stroke or four-stroke?

Speaker 9 1:38:15

Four-stroke. It's a brand-new 50.

Speaker 2 1:38:18

Okay.

Speaker 9 1:38:31

How's it running? It's running pretty good right now. I got a six-inch Bob's kicking jack on it with a four-inch spacer, so I'm running 10 inches, 48 to 51 with a stock prop right now.

Speaker 2 1:38:47

Like an aluminum prop or stainless steel.

Speaker 9 1:38:49

It's an aluminum prop. Oh yeah, Still running pretty good.

Speaker 3 1:38:53

That's running surprisingly good, it's still running. Good man, that's a good running boat. Sounds like you got your balance point just right.

Speaker 1 1:39:00

Yeah, it sounds like you got a really happy boat right here. You just need something in the prop department.

Speaker 9 1:39:06

Yep, that's why I called. I was looking for some suggestions prop-wise what y'all think I should look at.

Speaker 5 1:39:13

I think you can swing a 16 easy. What size boat was it?

Speaker 1 1:39:17

15-53. 15-53,. Rdbst with a 50 Yamaha four-stroke.

Speaker 3 1:39:22

Six-inch Bob's kicking but he has a lot of setbacks, so you know he's running a high.

Speaker 5 1:39:26

I would try to find somebody that you know that's got a 15 and a 16.

Speaker 3 1:39:30

I mean I think a 16,.

Speaker 1 1:39:31

I mean, he's running that motor high, aren't you? What are you thinking? Turbo, you thinking YBS. What I mean?

Speaker 3 1:39:36

obviously, a YBS is going to pick a startup.

Speaker 5 1:39:38

When you run your boat, the most are you by yourself or do you have people and stuff in there with you?

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Speaker 9 1:39:46

I'm sorry it's a little hard to hear you all on that, I know I hope that worked. I said whenever you're running your boat.

Speaker 5 1:39:50

The majority of the time are you by yourself or you got somebody in there with you ice chest.

Speaker 9 1:39:58

Majority of the time, um, majority of the time, I'm running, I'm running. I'm running with two people two people, probably 15.

Speaker 1 1:40:05

I would go with a 15 go to 15 yeah it'd be, it'd be really great if you had, you know somebody, just reach out on somebody on facebook or whatever and be like hey, you know, I got this boat. I'm trying to run a 15 pitch to see what it does. That way you don't have to just buy one without knowing yeah.

Speaker 3 1:40:24

Get you a 15 turbo, but I think that would definitely be good. Or a 15 YBS might do it. A YBS is a good prop out of the box.

Speaker 5 1:40:32

It is, I love them.

Speaker 9 1:40:35

Absolutely. Now let me ask you this as far as those YBS are concerned, is it worth it to buy a real one?

Speaker 2 1:40:40

Yes, yes, do not buy.

Speaker 9 1:40:42

Chinese.

Speaker 5 1:40:42

Stay away from China?

Speaker 1 1:40:44

Yes, and what you can do on Havoc Boat's website? You go to our gear shop and we actually sell them in our gear shop and you're not going to find it anywhere cheaper.

Speaker 3 1:40:52

Matter of fact, we'll make a special code for you. Text us your name and number and everything. Yep, text us your name and number and everything. Look at, yep and uh, we'll make a code for you and get you a good product.

Speaker 1 1:41:03

An additional, uh yeah, we should discount on it, it's already cheaper than anywhere, like literally probably half pricing rails and we'll get you a discount for uh calling in and yeah tell us what you got and everything yeah, choose a text message your name, number, address and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 1:41:14

You're looking for 15 ybs and we'll take care of you.

Speaker 9 1:41:18

Good deal, you can text it to the number you called yep, yep text the number you called.

Speaker 1 1:41:20

we'll take care of you Good deal. You can text it to the number you called Yep, Yep.

Speaker 3 1:41:22

Text the number you called. We'll make a code today. We'll send the code back to you. Punch that in there into our gear shop and you can buy whatever you want.

Speaker 9 1:41:30

Awesome. Well, I appreciate it fellas.

Speaker 5 1:41:32

Yes sir.

Speaker 1 1:41:33

You have a good one, man, you have a great day.

Speaker 9 1:41:35

You too. All right bye.

Speaker 1 1:41:39

Later. Hey, you're on Off the Clock with B Scott. I got Michael Shockley with me, daryl Moore and Tim Scott.

Speaker 10 1:41:46

Who are you and where are you from? All right, y'all boys, morning you done got them. What's going on. Oh, there he is. Y'all boys, morning Y'all got them.

Speaker 1 1:41:56

What y'all doing over there? Man, we just hanging out talking about setups. Dude, what you got going on.

Speaker 10 1:42:00

Man, I just got off the track and I was on the track. I didn't see the post. Jamie had tagged me in it and I reckon you had commented on it and I seen it. I reckon y'all going into overtime. Now it looks like y'all about an hour and a half over 12.

Speaker 3 1:42:14

Everybody keeps calling Wesley, but it was a good opportunity to talk to you, for sure, but it was a good opportunity to talk to you for sure, Absolutely.

Speaker 1 1:42:19

I'm glad you called man. So if you want to tell everybody what is your boat, what model do you got?

Speaker 10 1:42:26

What's your setup? Looking like, man, I had one of those. I still got my drag. But I had one of those 5.3s. I don't know what was that thing.

Speaker 3 1:42:34

A Mod 40? Mod 40.

Speaker 10 1:42:37

No, no, I didn't. No, I had the RDB SP. I was the seedless one that got the compartments on it. I got that from David over there at Sloughside, yeah yeah, yeah, but I'm going to be honest with you, man Hell, it didn't need no setup. All I did was put a jack plate on it. I think I put a kick plate on it, one of the CMCs you know. You take the motor off and put the spring on it. I had one of them on there and put it on there normally.

Speaker 3 1:43:01

And I put my long shaft. Why would you put one of them on there? That's the worst damn jackpot you could put on it.

Speaker 5 1:43:09

But it sounds like it's running good.

Speaker 10 1:43:12

Well, he could make anything run good when I first bought the boat I put a short shaft, 30 Yamaha on that thing and it ran fine with that. It was around near 13 solace and 30 yarmulke on that thing and it ran fine with that on the round near 13 solace and went and set up on that. All I did was bolt the damn thing up and run it and it ran perfect. Wow, I took my long, got a long draft, 59 inch, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 1:43:30

Wesley, what you been up to, man. You've been kind of quiet since you shaved your head years ago.

Speaker 10 1:43:35

No, well, if y'all, I've been waiting on Tim to call me back. He's a busy man. I've been working on that drag. Again sometime this week. I said we're going to call Tim and we'll call him until he answers, we'll call him until he answers hey sometimes you got to man, I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 1:43:53

The guy's busy man. I know he's busy. You know like to pester the man too much. But back to that 553, I hate it. It was already BST and I guess the C with the compartments. One rod holder in the boy's always debating on the long and short Hell. I didn't want to turn too much but being as big a boat as it is a factory 30 Yamaha on it with a 13 solar Plane it right off and ride just fine. Put the 59 on there and went to the long shaft, put it on the second hole in the motor. There ain't no setup to them. You put it on there and it rides perfect.

Speaker 3 1:44:32

That's what it is. It's a good boat. That.

Speaker 1 1:44:34

Mod 40 is such a forgiving RDST.

Speaker 3 1:44:38

He's running RDST, though he's not even running the Mod 40. The Mod 40.

Speaker 10 1:44:40

Yeah, the one I'm talking about is the 5.3 of the RDBST. Yeah, you know, with the cutout in it. Yeah, 16-inch setback. There ain't no setup to it. You put the damn motor on there, put your 15, 16-pitch black, stainless on it and it rides perfect in trouble setting these boats up.

Speaker 3 1:44:59

Why is that, in your opinion? Yeah, I mean no, no, no. We build a lot of boats, right? So you know. A lot of guys know what they're doing, some guys don't. But what could you tell people when you're setting a boat up? How can you help them?

Speaker 1 1:45:17

Wesley there.

Speaker 10 1:45:19

I hear you, man. It's just a little hard for me to understand what he said was.

Speaker 1 1:45:23

He said you see all these people online having a hard time setting their boats up. What could you tell them to kind of help them set their boats up? What would be my advice to them? Yeah, what would be your advice?

Speaker 10 1:45:37

you want me to be honest, yeah this is going to be fun. I'd tell them it ain't the boat duty, maybe you need a four stroke and you need to leave them two strokes alone because y'all trying to overdo it. The boats ride fine, just like y'all, and y'all expecting to run 70 miles an hour, like you see these boys on these videos.

Speaker 10 1:45:55

I said the fact of the matter is your motor ain't your motor's not capable of that that's right you got these off-wall builders cocking many ideas they've got and it ain't working for you and you're spanking money into something that ain't going to work. I said you just put a good running motor on there and put it where I told you to put it. It's going to ride perfect.

Speaker 1 1:46:13

I don't understand that. You're a smart man. You're right, you're a smart man, wesley. Well, I appreciate you calling bud. We got callers coming in, I understand.

Speaker 3 1:46:23

It was awesome talking to you, great talking to you. You know, this is Tim Scott, right, I'm talking to you. I'll see you soon.

Speaker 10 1:46:29

I'll see you soon, gentlemen. Tim, I'm going to call you later on this week and let you know what we got going on our end. See, if we can't a good plan to accommodate everybody.

Speaker 1 1:46:44

Make sure they have a good time. Yes, sir, we'll have a party. We'll have a good time. I'll see you boys soon. I appreciate y'all and everything.

Speaker 10 1:46:46

Yes, sir wesley all right, wesley, you have a good one bud later. All right, gentlemen bye-bye dude.

Speaker 3 1:46:49

That dude right there is solid. I love that dude.

Outboard vs Mud Motor Considerations

Speaker 1 1:46:52

He is all right, guys. That wraps it up. It was fun talking to you guys about setups. We're gonna do a lot more of this, guys. There's a lot of information you know at this table that we need to get out to people, and a lot of that's our fault. We'll do a better job at it. So make sure you guys stay tuned for more like this and don't forget, check out our gear shop. We got tons of new things. We got bikinis, sandbar stuff, towels everything you might need is in there. So before we leave, though, we just hit 3300 subscribers, which is huge. Guys, keep pumping this thing up. We'll keep making more calm, uh content like this, and guys, thank you for everything. So that wraps this up. We'll catch you on the next one.