CLIFTON DENNEY - ON YOUR OWN OUTDOORS | Ep077 | Off The Clock with B Scott

Want to see more mature bucks during daylight hours this season? Clifton Denny from On Your Own Outdoors reveals game-changing tactics that fly in the face of conventional deer hunting wisdom.

The most eye-opening revelation? Mature bucks aren't actually "going nocturnal" - they're simply responding to patterns hunters unknowingly establish. Clifton explains how the common practice of filling feeders after work at 5-6pm is precisely why your target buck only appears on camera at night. By shifting your feeding schedule to 10pm and changing your bait type right before hunting, you create the perfect scenario for daylight encounters.

The conversation unveils the power of "fat lines" - those mysterious thicker contour lines on topographical maps that consistently mark high deer activity zones. What started as a theory has been field-tested with remarkable success, with hunters reporting mature buck sightings exactly where these terrain features appear on maps. Clifton's comprehensive breakdown of this approach gives listeners a significant advantage for early season success.

Beyond technical strategies, the episode dives into fascinating observations about deer behavior during velvet-shedding period, bachelor group dispersal, and critical early-season food sources like persimmon and honey locust trees. The discussion even addresses regional hunting differences, with practical advice for Arkansas hunters looking to adapt their skills to different terrains.

Whether you're a weekend warrior or a dedicated trophy hunter, these practical, field-tested approaches will transform your early season strategy. After implementing these tactics, you'll never look at your hunting property - or your trail camera results - the same way again.

GUEST WEBSITE: https://www.onyourownoutdoors.com
GUEST YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/c/cliftondenneyonyourownoutdoors

OUR WEBSITE/OTC MERCH: https://offtheclockwithbscott.com

HAVOC GEAR SHOP: https://havocnation.com

HAVOC BOATS WEBSITE: https://havocboats.com

HAVOC DEALERS: https://havocboats.com/dealers/

WREAKIN' HAVOC CREW WEBSITE: https://wreakinhavoccrew.com

SOCIAL LINKS
Truth Social: https://truthsocial.com/@OffTheClockwithBScott

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/Off-The-Clock-With-B-Scott/61557737220814/

Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/OTCwithBScott

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/offtheclockwithbscott/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwu6_wWcXDoBzhpHv4YgZGQ

Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-5644782

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2g76hRDp9d609LETevSH2U?si=0ba23ae282c94e88&nd=1&dlsi=d9f84d7699b84724

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/off-the-clock-with-b-scott/id1734265760

Transcript

Introducing Clifton Denny and Today's Topic

Speaker 1 0:00

It's 5 o'clock and your off clock will be as got today with us. We've got Clifton Denny with us from On your Own Outdoors and we're going to talk about baiting early season how to get that shooter buck to come out in the daylight. We're going to talk about fat lines on maps breaking deer down. He's an expert deer hunter I would say one of the best there is, so he's going to teach us a little bit about bow hunting, a little bit about what the deer are doing, and we're just gonna try to learn as much as we can. Before we get into it, though, make sure you leave a like. Subscribe.

Speaker 1 0:26

Hit the bell for notifications well, let's get to what we're talking about today we're talking about deer hunting. This weekend, bow hunting in Arkansas season's coming. Are you ready?

Speaker 4 0:39

I know you're pumped up, oh yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2 0:41

I asked him earlier. So you said, do you have a deer wing film? He's like, yeah, I'm on the film. So I mean I know what that meant.

Speaker 1 0:49

Yeah, no, that's for sure a sign Like hey, you ain't going there. Like how much we got to pay you you know?

Speaker 4 0:54

Hey, listen, you own a boat store. You don't have to pay me nothing.

Speaker 3 0:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:05

I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 1:05

I can definitely understand what you're saying yeah, I get your lingo for sure.

Speaker 1 1:07

Yeah, for sure. So what do you got planned? I know we'll cover what you got last season. Yeah, because the last time we talked to you was late September, I believe. Yep, right before Illinois.

Speaker 2 1:15

It was the fat line guy. Oh yeah, teaching us about the fat lines really seriously. You know, his mama actually killed a buck on a fat line.

Speaker 4 1:31

I told you if you kill him, like go back and this is what I tell everybody whenever they're like man, I don't know if that's actually gonna work. I'm like listen pull up a topo map of everywhere that you've ever killed a mature deer and I guarantee you it's on a fat line or right there close to it after your podcast, you know.

Speaker 2 1:46

We got in there and we started putting cameras out and I'm telling you every fat line had a fucking camera and every one of them that it was. It actually worked out like ashley's never saddle hunted before, she never bow hunted before and we put her up in a tree on a fat line and she killed her a buck. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 2:05

It does work. Hey, it's like math, you know what I mean. Like, if it happens, it's just like going fishing. You know what I mean. If it happens once, it's kind of a fluke. If it happens twice, maybe. If it happens three times, there's something to it.

Speaker 1 2:17

There's something to it? Yeah, absolutely like holy shit, this shit worked no it does work. And if y'all haven't seen that, y'all definitely go back and watch that video, because it was super educational what to look for when you're looking at a map breaking it down. I mean, it's good stuff, seriously. So if you haven't checked it out, definitely go back and check it out. So what do you got planned for this season like what's your, what's your?

Speaker 4 2:35

schedule. Look like man wild, uh, so this year I went back. So last year I don't want to say I took a year off, but I think I only hunted three different states last year, right? Um, so this year, uh, doing, going out of my ram, I guess. Uh, so I went to colorado nine years ago on an elk hunt. Yeah, uh, we just went to some public ground, never did it, and that was before I started hunting whitetail in public too. Um, but this year I'm going back. So week after next I'm going to colorado for 10 days and then I come back from there in october. First week in october I'm gonna hit oklahoma. The third week of october I'm doing wisconsin. The uh, second week of november I'm going back to iowa, drew iowa again, and then, uh, second week of december I'm going to texas public ground and then, um, we've had some people, you know, just like y'all the haters on the internet oh yeah you can't kill a big deer in alabama.

Speaker 4 3:26

So I'm going to alabama in january it's gonna be hard.

Speaker 1 3:28

Yeah, I mean, what general area of alabama like north, south, north yes, actually north is?

Speaker 4 3:33

good, I actually went there, uh, three years ago, um, I won't name the, the public land, but uh, I would have killed two different ones. I messed them up like they were on film and it was. It was pretty, but we had an ice storm come in and I forgot to knock the ice that had built up on my um drop away. So when I pulled, it goes that's the worst.

Speaker 4 3:54

He turned inside out dude, he was gone and actually a lot of people hate me for that video because the very last day. So I like to kill big deer. Don't get me wrong, right, but at the end of the day I'm a killer, right you're gonna kill something I like. I'm legal with something I like to eat, like you know, what I mean.

Speaker 4 4:07

And so, uh, that was actually the first year I got invited to the ata too, so like I didn't want to go empty handed. And the last day, the same buck that I had messed up on uh comes in pushing the dough and this year and a half old five point like this big comes running in between him. He's like, and I spin around and I just smoke this five point. He runs over like 30 yards and dies and I look at my camera and I go at my dough again and like everybody was, like I can't believe you come to alabama and shot this.

Speaker 4 4:32

I was like I'd do it again.

Speaker 1 4:33

You know like people always got something to say.

Speaker 3 4:36

You know yeah, and when they say it like that you can't come to alabama, kill a big, you gotta go back to alabama.

Speaker 4 4:41

So that's kill a big deer, just to prove it A hundred and ten percent and, like you know, this is my fourth year, I guess, traveling doing the film thing, and probably 75% of the places that I've been is because somebody on the internet saying, hey, you can't kill one here, like my favorite. One was Mississippi River Bottoms. Like our river bottoms are the same right. We have Mississippi and a guy was like you can do that on Arkansas side and I was like so?

Speaker 1 5:03

I went to that side and did it. What's the difference?

Speaker 4 5:05

though it's literally not. In all honesty, it's easier on that side. There's less public land deer hunting pressure, and then their duck hunting is different too, right? So if you go to Bottoms over here, every blowhole's got a guy with a duck call in it, right, and so you're kind of hunting the duck hunters. That's what I do. But you go over to mississippi and they've got designated holes, so like if you do your homework before you go, just like anywhere else I go, like I try to do my homework, and so we went. It was a weekend, it was super busy and um, and I realized, like that there was at 4 30 in the morning, there's like 200 trucks at this little house looking thing.

Speaker 4 5:37

Well they were all signing in to go to their holes, right, and I'm like wait, they've got holes. So I asked the game owners do you have a map of that? And he's like yeah, so I just picked where I was gonna hunt based off of funnels based off of the holes that people were racing to.

Fat Lines: The Science Behind Deer Movement

Speaker 4 5:51

Wow, yeah, and it worked out. I killed a, I don't know. He's 134 inch, eight point or something like that. So it was. I mean, you know every, every place strategy for sure it is man and and I think that that's the thing that people miss out on is like there is no one size fits all for sure. Terrain and food obviously gives you a little bit of an advantage, but you've got to break apart every area that you go to, because it's going to be different and there's going to be different things. Like Alabama, the last time I was there, the area we were hunting was very popular on like bird, like dove hunting, and so we get there the first day we saw all these trucks and I start talking to people Like I'll talk to locals Like number one. I always ask them like hey, what's a good deer around here? Because I don't also want to show up and shoot a 110 the first day and find out that there's 150s running everywhere.

Speaker 2 6:38

Right.

Speaker 4 6:39

And if you find the right guy, usually he'll kind of you know man. I mean you know pope and young's pretty good deer how do you know he's the right guy? I don't just talking to him. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie like now that my youtube's got bigger.

Speaker 4 6:49

It's a lot easier because usually I'm not gonna say every place I go to, but most of them people recognize me now and so like they kind of know my game right so I'm like, hey, man, they're like wait, I've seen you somewhere and I'm like I have a youtube channel and they're like, oh, I bought this stand because you said it was a good one, or whatever you know. And then we'll get to kind of clowning around and I'll usually ask like, hey, what's a good deer?

Speaker 1 7:08

and you're gonna get a more straight answer.

Speaker 4 7:10

Absolutely, yeah, yeah and and I think that, um, even before it took off, like the first time I went to alabama, I had a pin marked uh on a spot. I went in there that morning saw like 140 inch deer and like we went to alabama to kill a deer a day because you can do that, yeah, yeah and so it was like freezer filling mission. And then the first hunt, I saw like a 140s and my buddy saw 150s and we were like all right, change gears you know, yeah, something else coming here yeah, and there's a dude that still follows my stuff, comments all the time.

Speaker 4 7:37

He was the dude I met in the parking lot and uh, that afternoon and he was like where are you going? And I'm like where are you going? Because this was right up again a river, like there's not a whole bunch of public ground, right right. And uh, I was like man, I'm gonna lie to you like there's a knoll. And he was like that's where my stand's at. And the first time, probably the coolest experience I ever had. But I was like, no, I was like, hey, man, you're a local, that's your spot, I'll bump over and find another one. He was like, did you're here for five days? Go get it. And I was like, all right, and I went in there and hunted you know, hunted that spot that day and then I ended up moving. But you know, I don't, I don't think. I think people are most of the time, not duck hunting.

Speaker 4 8:11

Duck hunting is different yeah, it's a whole different mindset when it when it comes to deer hunting, I think 75 of the people that you're going to meet in the woods are going to be generally decent people. If you're a decent person, um, you know, I don't. I don't think the uh trying to think of how to say it like number one duck hunters are pricks uh no, for sure that is a valid I mean, I mean, I mean, I grew up in hazen, I get it.

Speaker 2 8:37

Yeah, there's a lot of duck hunters out there, straight up assholes they aren't, you know, is the majority why? Why is that honestly something to do with the water you know like?

Speaker 4 8:45

in my opinion, even with duck hunting like so. I grew up hunting red cat over on white river refuge. I'm originally from brinkley and duck hunters weren't assholes in the 90s, I think it's when the ducks stop coming down as heavy they get so now it's like, it's like an argument over every hole you know, what I mean and I don't.

Speaker 4 9:02

I feel like with deer hunting, if you're usually genuinely decent to the people, kind of like game wardens, like I've had some bad experience with game wardens, some good experiences, but usually if you start out on the right foot and you let them know like you're not going to be a prick, I really don't have issues with people you know, because they get a lot of that, you know what I mean like they're geared up every interaction they have.

Speaker 1 9:21

They're like this is going to go either one or two ways. Yep, it's going to be smooth or it's just going to be an asshole. And I'm going to, you know, deal with it, let's say, one of the game wardens. Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:30

If you're in a camouflage boat, you're getting fucked with.

Speaker 3 9:33

Oh yeah, I mean why is that?

Speaker 2 9:46

last weekend. Yeah, last weekend they got us, we put the boat in the boat, right?

Speaker 3 9:48

I mean, we just put in the water.

Speaker 2 9:49

He's checking us.

Speaker 4 9:49

Oh yeah, that's what they do like we're legal. No, basically bad, which is weird to me because monday I probably had the best experience. So I got this shirt from the uh northern show, um, and it's got a picture of a black panther, uh, sasquatch, and a game warden on the back and it says hiding in plain sight and I bought it. And a game warden on the back and it says hiding in plain sight and I bought it from a game warden. So I thought it was hilarious, uh, but anyways we were. We were fishing last monday on the river, uh, pre-fishing for a little tournament, and uh, and a game warden come up and I was like ah, you know, start digging for my stuff. And he's like hey guys, and he just floated right by and I was like that's the first time I've never been checked. I need to get me one of these high dollar bass boats, because he didn't even bother me.

Speaker 2 10:25

Yeah, you float down the river in a camouflage boat. You're getting checked.

Speaker 1 10:30

He's like he's missing something.

Speaker 3 10:31

I got stopped in the middle of a race and got rode a ticket last weekend.

Speaker 2 10:34

Yeah, last weekend. I mean, I don't feel sorry for you. What was the ticket for? I don't remember what?

Speaker 1 10:40

I don't remember. What was it for no registration? Oh yeah, yeah, that'll get you. Well, damn it, you got to have that.

Speaker 4 10:46

You know, the government's got to get their piece.

Speaker 3 10:47

Well, I thought it was 45 days. You got to follow the rules. I thought boats was the same as cars. You get 45 days.

Speaker 4 10:53

Cars are 60 now.

Speaker 3 10:55

Well, boats are 30.

Speaker 4 10:56

Oh.

Speaker 1 11:04

You know that boats are actually 30 days.

Speaker 3 11:05

They did harass the living shit out of us. That's not something I heard about. Yeah, it was bad.

Speaker 2 11:10

It was bad, bad, bad, bad, besides deer season coming around.

Speaker 1 11:13

I'm afraid of that cold weather.

Speaker 4 11:15

Absolutely, and I think this year, like last year you know the velvet hunt, like there were some good deer killed I think this year's going to be stupid.

Speaker 3 11:21

You've got a cold front coming the day before.

Speaker 4 11:23

You've got this cold front coming in, You've got a rain front moving in. Saturday morning it's moving out, and then Monday it's moving back in. So you're in the break of two different ones. You're right on the edge of a full moon.

Speaker 2 11:35

So, for an example, we've had good shooter bucks on camera, but we're not getting them on camera now, right, right, right right. They're all not, you know night, showing up at night. So you think we should hunt the same spot or have they shed their?

Speaker 3 11:48

velvet yet no, no, no, you need to hunt at night get the thermals out you need to change up what you're doing, right.

Speaker 2 11:59

So really, yeah, 110 percent. I mean we ain't doing nothing, but but you're feeding the same thing. Okay.

Speaker 4 12:06

Change up what you're doing and do it the day. So what I like to do if I'm hunting private ground, maybe I'm feeding regular corn and I won't name drop what I told you earlier but just something that's got a lot of smell right, so I'll feed regular corn if I'm hunting a piece of private, just like this weekend. That's what we've been doing. Two weeks we've been running regular corn. Just like always, they start at daylight, now they're all at nighttime because they know it's there.

Speaker 2 12:27

So this is normal. That's right, Yep 110%.

Speaker 4 12:30

They know it's normal, but the trick comes to you right. So it's just like hunting a deer during the rut. If you're doing the same thing every time, you're not going to kill that deer.

Speaker 2 12:48

Like deer, like so we're feeding these deer, we've been feeding them. What? Now? Three, four weeks? Yeah, all right, so we've got some shooter bucks on camera during the day.

Speaker 4 12:51

Yeah, all of a sudden they just stopped yeah it's, it's, and now they're all not, you know, nocturnal.

Speaker 2 12:53

Yeah, it's deer, don't go nocturnal all right, I don't care, I don't care where the camera's at no just when you don't go nocturnal all right, only pictures we're getting is at dark time put.

Speaker 4 13:02

Put that on TikTok. Everybody's going to argue.

Speaker 2 13:04

Yes, that would be a good argument on TikTok. So what do we need to do?

Speaker 4 13:08

now. So if it's on private and you're feeding, I would change the feed that I was using to something that has a very, very strong smell the afternoon before I go, so I don't do it like.

Speaker 2 13:19

I will go down the night before it's today, Friday today.

Speaker 3 13:24

So we have to go today right before dark.

Speaker 4 13:27

All right, right before we gotta cut this podcast right before dark holy shit, and I think that's another thing that, like you know, talking about deer and feed piles, that I think you know we're all from the south, right, so that I think people mess up on. It's like when do you what? Not you, but when do most people go bait? When they get off work, right, right, yeah. When are you trying to get a deer to come out in front of you? On Saturday and Sunday? They don't want to, right before dark right so the same time you'd be getting off work.

Speaker 4 13:57

So these people are going in and they're feeding at the same time that they're hoping these deer come back. So you're blowing them off of your feed and you're coming back. So, like whenever I used to hunt my lease in Grant County, my only trick like I killed way better deer than everybody else in my lease and my trick was I baited at 10 o'clock at night, because if I'm going to blow them off, I want them to think there's something sketchy going on at night, not during the day.

Speaker 4 14:14

And I think it's little stuff like that, just like changing the food up. So you got to think deer, think of corn, rice, bran, stuff like that. There's not a whole lot of nutritional value to that stuff that we're feeding these deer. It's like candy.

Speaker 2 14:27

I'm just texting my wife. That makes total sense.

Speaker 4 14:29

He's texting her and he's like don't go, yet I'm texting my wife.

Speaker 3 14:32

Pull up in there at 10 o'clock. Jam on the radio, run every deer out. I'm serious.

Speaker 2 14:37

We're running out of time. That makes total sense.

Speaker 4 14:43

I'm serious have your wife go down there at night and people don't think about it, and a lot of times they'll go middle of the day. You really are a fanatic. Well, what are you doing in the middle of the day? 90% of the people that are big buck killers. When do they tell you to shoot your big bucks 10 to 2, right, the mature deer up. So if you're going in there and feeding in the middle of the day, it's no different, same thing if there's a big deer coming in there, you're blowing them out middle of the day.

Speaker 4 15:09

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 15:10

So it's a uh no, I mean, it makes perfect sense. You know there's a lot of people. I guarantee you nobody is really thinking about that you know, everybody just rolls in there as soon as they can, that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 15:19

Yeah, you get off work on friday, you go down there, you fill, fill up your feeders and then you go hunt it for the weekend. You know if you're a weekend warrior kind of thing, so I don't know, I think it's stuff like that. But you know they think of it like candy and so you go down there and give them some new candy, right? So I'll go in like tonight or not tonight, I'm sorry tomorrow because I've got to work tomorrow, but for Sunday I'll go down tomorrow night and I'll throw out what I use, which is swamp chomp.

Speaker 4 15:45

Um, I have better effect out of swamp chomp with mature deer. I don't know what it is, I don't know what it isn't with them, but like, when I pour out swamp chomp, every buck I've got on my property's coming and so I'll bait with corn because it's cheaper, yep. And then when I get ready to go hunt no sir, I'm giving that good stuff and usually, and like I've got rolls of camera footage that when I dump swamp chomp in the next 24 hours during daylight, every mature deer that I have shows up.

Speaker 3 16:11

That's crazy. That's how it is.

Speaker 4 16:12

My hand will show up one time, one time during daylight, and then they go nocturnal. They didn't go nocturnal, they just know better.

Speaker 1 16:18

You, they go in one time check it out, that's exactly right. And then they're like okay, I can come back to this.

Speaker 4 16:24

Because you're fighting their stomach right and at that point, like that first time, they're like mm. That smells good, like they're coming. And they're going to come in. They're going to be super sketchy. You're going to have to make sure that your scent game is on point. Yeah, but they're nocturnal, no, they just know right. So you're fighting their tummy, but they know now, anytime I go over there there's going to be feed.

Speaker 3 16:51

But when you put something new, they're trying to race all these other bellies to get in there right, maybe you need to put that new with the corn at least the one time, and then don't feed it no more until right before.

Early Season Baiting Strategies Revealed

Speaker 4 17:00

No, no, no, no, it doesn't work, doesn't work you guys, you gotta hold that, you gotta hold. It's like put out, put out the regular corn and like, uh, the place that eric and I have, like we've, we've done this a whole bunch there. Um, apple corn and swamp chomp are like the key tickets. Um, you have hogs? No, not over there.

Speaker 3 17:17

Well, that's why I don't think that's right.

Speaker 4 17:19

Yeah, no, 110, like when when I hunted in grant county still like we fought with the same thing. But I'll tell you a way to get around that too Broadcast your corn. So when we used to go down there we would get on the full with her. My dad as a little bitty kid. He would put an ice chest on the front. I'd sit next to it and just take one handful at a time as he's driving down the lane and throw it out. So hogs are gorgers, right? So if there's an acorn tree, if there was acorns everywhere just scattered out, hogs don't really mess with them. But when you've got that one tree that's dropping like crazy, they'll get in there and root. They'll do the same thing with feeders. They'll do the same thing with piled up feed. But if you'll go through and broadcast it like this deer are grazers, hogs are- not so the deer.

Speaker 4 18:05

We usually have our lanes where deer, should you move anyways? And then as they're coming through, they see just that little kernel here, little kernel there, and they'll stop and they'll kind of graze through and they're not near as sketched out either, because it's not a pile.

Speaker 1 18:18

Yeah so which I mean I, I know firsthand that works better because you know we've done that in the past and it definitely we spread it all out just like that, I mean, and we don't use uh well, we use nut grub. Yeah, that's our, that would be our sweet that we would add right before we go hunting. That you're talking about and I mean it makes perfect sense because, like to me, why would a mature buck come out in daytime? Do you have a pile when he could just come back later that day in the nighttime? Come he at it when he feels safer well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 18:44

The first time he's fighting that belly, so he's coming right. So the first time he smells it he's coming over there. But after that he knows that pile's there. I don't have to come back during daylight. Now I know that's abnormal, that candy's not supposed to be here, but if I go in there at night there's nobody there. And part of that to me is you know you're running your feed during the day. If you're in and out of there making adjustments on your stands or whatever, it's always deer in the day. So those deer see you coming in and out, they hear you coming in and out, so now they know if there's any danger of there's deer in the day, whereas if you rotate on the deer and you start doing that stuff at night, they're more preemptive to show up during the day than they are at night makes perfect sense to me.

Speaker 4 19:27

you mean, we should be feeding, right? Yeah that's when you should go in and fill your feeders.

Speaker 3 19:29

Yeah, middle of middle of the night. I always put the thought in my head that our deer is gonna hurry up and get there before the hogs can eat it does anybody know that?

Speaker 2 19:36

I mean nobody. Nobody feeds at night.

Speaker 1 19:39

I do, I mean nobody, nobody, I guess nobody is broadcasting that, for sure you don't.

Speaker 4 19:44

You don't have me on here, because I don't kill deer. I know that's what.

Speaker 2 19:48

I'm saying it's kind of amazing, it's different. So we should feed at night.

Speaker 4 19:53

Yeah, well, that's what I was saying earlier. If you're going down there, you get off work at what time usually?

Speaker 2 19:59

4.30, 4.30.

Speaker 4 20:00

When you were still a working man?

Speaker 3 20:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 3.30, 4.30. When you were still a working man?

Speaker 4 20:03

Yeah, yeah yeah, so you get off at 4.30, and from here you drive to your lease. It's 5, 5.30 or whatever. Well, what time did?

Speaker 1 20:08

your store open in the evenings. It's prime time right.

Speaker 4 20:11

So you're going in if there was anything there. So we all know that you can have a camera on it.

Speaker 4 20:17

You're not going to catch every deer that moves through there right deer on there or like your, does that like to bed within 50 yards your feed ball and stuff? If you're going in there at 5 30 every day blowing these deer out the whole month before season, you think they're gonna come out at 5 30 during season. No, sir, because they know that's their danger time like hey, I know I don't need to be going over there at 5 30 makes perfect sense perfect, lowered.

Speaker 3 20:39

So in these states we've been fucking up shockley what the hell are you doing over there?

Speaker 2 20:44

you know del dorado, I know shockley or magnolia, whatever it's close enough, whatever.

Speaker 1 20:51

Whatever you're doing over here, you're screwing up well, you know now, I mean we, we hunt here. You know quite a bit, but not near as much we used to. Yeah, you know a lot of places we go.

Speaker 1 20:59

Now you can't bait so yeah, we're hunting a lot of fat lines, natural trails, you know, scrapes, scrapes, whatever you know, and to me it's just like baiting. Uh, we have found it very hard to kill your mature deer on bait, even when we're hunting here. It's because a lot of times when we do kill mature deer here, we're in between them somewhere. We're either in between the bedding or we're somewhere in between. It's almost like the closer a season gets, when they start breaking apart, the less likely you have to actually catch a mature buck coming to the bait, especially with an automatic feeder well, with with that, but I think like uh, not, not argumentative right but, devil's advocate

Speaker 4 21:42

like, put as much thought into how you bait is how you hunt a deer during the rut, right, and you'll be way more successful. Like, uh, the, I killed a big eight point last year. He's real wide deer and I did him doing the exact same thing. I'm telling y'all like the videos on there. But me and my wife went down there the afternoon before. It's all the way in, mariana drove two and a half hours down. I dumped the chomp to him the day before, went down there the next afternoon and shot the deer that we had had on camera and he's the most mature deer we had. He's six and a half year old deer, um, but that one change up is what got him, yeah you know, we had pictures of him.

Speaker 4 22:16

Yeah, we had pictures of him, but it's all nighttime. Everyone we might have a doe here or there during the day, but it was all nighttime and so we drove down the night before, put it out, drove back home, went the next morning, didn't see anything the next morning. I think that that deer was primarily moving in the afternoons, because when we'd have him on camera it's an hour after dark, two hours after dark, you know. So I thought that he would be bedding close there in the afternoons and so I went in. I don't know, it was like one o'clock in the afternoon or something. Remember I got in the stand like it was early and it was first week of october, so it was hot, but uh, got in there and like right at dark he come in. You know the does came in first 15 minutes before dark and then here he came. I shot him at like 37 yards.

Speaker 4 22:54

It's awesome when it works out like that. You know it is, and I think that that people you have to put work into whichever way that you're doing it, and that's why I hate it whenever dudes are like oh, you know, I'll post a video, like texas last year, like we killed that 152 inch deer and, uh, he was an eight and a half year old deer. Cool story about that one is usually whenever I kill a big deer out of state, I get a lot of hate emails. Really, I can imagine that, bro, I got 15 different dudes that messaged me just asking me for pictures of the deer dead Before I even posted the video.

Speaker 4 23:25

Why they thought you no they had been hunting there was like 15 dudes down in this part of Texas that was hunting that mature deer. It turned out like we took it to a taxidermist there to have him cape because, in case you don't know, it's illegal to cross state lines without caping out the head. I found that out like seven years ago oh, really, you found out the hard way and it's 899 dollars per deer.

Speaker 4 23:45

So if you kill two of them it gets expensive quick but uh, I can only imagine yeah, but but with that deer, uh, those dudes were super cool and they, they're like how did you kill him? And I swear to God, I killed him with the chomp. I had been hunting him. I had him daylight the first day and you can go watch the video. It's a play-by-play. I saw him during daylight the first day. I did not see him in daylight the next day. I went over in the middle of the day. I dumped out a quarter of a bag of ch, I put up some sticks and I sent my buddy Philip over there. I was like you'll kill that deer this afternoon and he killed him that afternoon. Killed him at like 430.

Speaker 2 24:16

Texas heart shot right in the butthole. That's crazy. Right in the butthole. He didn't mean to.

Speaker 4 24:22

So it was also his first time ever filming and like I had him just rigged up with like literally one of these and like his phone's from here local but biggest deer he'd ever killed was like a 120-inch deer and he'd never even seen a 150. And I'm like, well, you going to today.

Speaker 1 24:37

Especially on a Texas frame Bro dude, he looked 170.

Speaker 4 24:41

Yeah, Because the deer was 140 pounds soaking wet, with a pocket full of chains and so anyways, what was painful about that deer is that I had yeah, that's him there, wow.

Speaker 1 24:54

Just absolute mammoth. I like how? His G3, well, I guess it'd be G4s, yeah, his G4s. The way they curl, yeah, the way they curl up.

Speaker 4 25:02

So if this picture is bad of him, but his whole rack goes like up, it's like it starts at his eyebrows and then just kind of curves up, makes like a heart shape. Yeah, it's all wiggly Dude.

Speaker 1 25:11

he looks so big in the video like just I can only imagine you know those texas deer when they're on the hoof, that was dumb they look crazy big yeah, well, and I walk up there I've got.

Speaker 4 25:22

I've got buddies in texas, uh, because I've killed some really good deer on public land down in texas too. But I've got buddies down there and, like every year, I'm getting pictures of deer here and uh, and they'll send me a picture. I'm like, god, you got a 180. And then I'm like, oh no, no, no, he's 145 like, yeah, it's something to do about texas deer. They're so small the horns, but I'm gonna tell you like if you start hunting up north, it's just the opposite yeah it is, you know, in iowa.

Speaker 4 25:45

I killed a deer year before last and like it's on film too on my channel. But I killed a deer there and, like on the camera, like I turned around I called eric and I was like I just could have broken 125 and he's 148 inch 13 point yeah yeah, but like when I shot him at 20 yards, I was like, oh, he's all broke up and he wasn't broke up at all and he was like 21 inches wide and I was like what happened? But the deer is like 300 pounds huge bodies.

Speaker 1 26:07

That's a nice bodies. Yeah, yeah, you know, we got bashed for uh dad's 158 last year. Yeah, yeah, it was 158?.

Speaker 2 26:14

It was 158,. Yeah, and it's the same thing, man.

Speaker 1 26:16

It's a 300-pound deer, you know.

Speaker 2 26:18

Yeah, they roasted me. It bruised their body. They roasted me. They're like that's a 130. Okay, If you're lucky and they were putting pictures up of a real 158 or 160.

Speaker 1 26:37

I'm like dude. I swear to God putting up. They're like, they're just wide deer they're. They won't even be very tall and they're not very thick, but they're just wide.

Speaker 2 26:39

Yeah, this is a. This is a true one. This would, uh, yeah, my dear big, this one, 30 yeah, he was really thick and he was really tall and had times going everywhere and uh, it's 158. They're like he liar, he liar, such a liar. I'm like I have no reason to lie.

Speaker 4 26:49

Like this is ridiculous. You know, 90 of those people on there have never killed one.

Speaker 1 26:53

If they've if they've killed one, it's been one oh yeah, and you'll see the people in the comments too that are like no, that's that checks out, that's a 158 no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 27:01

The guys that uh uh sent me a message like dude, that's a, that's a legit deer yeah, those guys killed some big deer, right, those guys also. But the same guy talking shit on the internet. Yeah, it's never deer like that. And they're the first ones to say, hey, that's bullshit, I'll post a picture. They'll tag random people. Hey, post your deer, or whatever.

Speaker 1 27:21

That's exactly right. I'm like what the fuck Chain reaction? Right Shit talking.

Speaker 4 27:24

Dude, I love it.

Speaker 2 27:26

Like what the hell do y'all do? I mean, what are y'all doing it? It's like this is ridiculous. That's exactly what they were. Yeah, they're keyboard warriors.

Speaker 4 27:33

Yeah, they used to bother me and now I just get a kick out of it. Like sometimes, like you know, just post, like you know, that Texas deer or whatever, like I should have posted like 180. That's like that deer. That's a 132-inch eight-point, doesn't look like it? Yeah, but he is deer, you know, it's an east arkansas deer. He's a big, um, super mature deer. That deer was funny because I shot. That's the first deer actually, that uh, I shot with a rifle since my son was born, since I killed my first pope and young, yeah, and uh, and I had that deer when I say pegged, like knew I could kill him, but I woke up christmas, uh, christmas afternoon after my big belly nap you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 28:11

oh yeah, oh yeah and I was puking up a storm, I was sick, and so I had one day to hunt and I called eric and I was like getting the seven mag out, and he was like what? And I was like yeah, so, um, we, we had this like a levee and there's like a little ditch behind it and I was like we'll just go lay on the levee because if I have to puke I'll just puke in the creek yeah and that's exactly what we did.

Speaker 4 28:30

I puked like three times that afternoon, but what was awesome about is the deer comes out or whatever. And uh, deer start coming out in the field and eric's like is your gun on? And I'm like I don't know. I ain't shot in eight years and I was like, I was like no I, literally I was like turn the camera on and he's like why?

Speaker 4 28:44

I was like I'm gonna shoot that doe. So there's a doe at like 90 yards. I put it dead on her shoulder. It's like you know she folds up and I was like gun's good, all right now we're ready.

Speaker 1 28:53

I shot that deer.

Speaker 4 28:54

Dude, you have to watch the video, because I shot that deer three times with a 7 mag. Wow, and thought that I missed him the first two times. First shot was at like 100. Second shot was at like 260. And the last shot was at 380. But I shoot him up there close. He takes off running, he stops, I bolt one and eric's like I'm pretty sure you hit him. I'm like I don't know.

Speaker 4 29:14

It's like it never fails you know, he takes off running again and I'm like what you know? Seven mag ballistic tip, like this thing's hot. And the last time I shoot, well, he falls out of my scope, I lose him. I'm like where'd he go? And eric's just belly laughing. He's like he ain't go nowhere, you know. And and then whenever I got up there, like they were all within a spot about this big kind of high right behind the shoulder and like it was a seven mag, so like from here to here there was nothing good like you know, but oh yeah, that was pretty wild yeah it's cool.

Speaker 1 29:43

You know something about bow hunting. You know it's like over rifle hunting. It's like it's cool killing a big deer with a rifle, but like if you have a chance to kill a big deer with a bow there's nothing beat it it it doesn't.

Speaker 4 29:53

But like I don't know, like I've been bow hunting exclusively for eight years now, um, and like you know my little claim to fame, whatever, I killed 23 right youngs in the last eight years. But, um, you know, killing that deer with that rifle was a blast it was just because I haven't.

Speaker 4 30:11

I haven't done it in so long. And was it easier? Yeah, probably. You know what I mean. It was because I didn't have to worry about moving or whatever. I'm laying on the side of the levee hanging out with my buddy puking in a ditch because I'm sick and still killed a mature deer. Could I have done that out of a tree with a bow? No, but it was still for what it was. It was a blast, you know, but it was still for what it was. It gave us a blast.

Speaker 2 30:32

Yeah, it was a good time. No, it is, and it's still pretty tough, though. It is a raffle, you know it is. I mean a lot of guys get shook up and you know you still got to sell the crosshairs.

Speaker 1 30:46

You still got to make a shot. You know that one right. There is what dreams are made.

Speaker 4 30:50

So what y'all can't see is they just pulled up a deer that is probably one of my dream deer, and so I always wanted to kill just a big typical 10-point. I've been lucky enough. I've got quite a few good deer on the wall. This is the only one that's ever broke 160. It was 162, depending on how you measure one of my other ones, but he's a double main beam, so it can go either way, I got you.

Speaker 4 31:14

But this deer was super cool, um, he uh, it was actually kansas public ground and he's just a big, straight lace, typical 10, pretty symmetrical. His g2s are a little off, um, and his main beams are just a little different, uh. But other than that, like he was, he was pretty symmetrical and and what's funny about this deer is, uh, I'd hunted with a camera guy for like seven days and it was peeing rain, just pissing rain, the first week of November last year up north, and so I got to hunt three days out of the eight I was there. I left and I told the cameraman it was his fault. He's like no, it wasn't. And then I killed that deer like two hours back in the stand the next day.

Speaker 1 31:50

That's funny how that works out.

Speaker 4 31:51

No, it was. And uh, it's funny how that works out. No, it was. And, dude, if you ever get a chance, anybody that's listening to this like, um, you know, I always say every time that I tell anybody and they're like are you just lucky you get to travel, like, make yourself diverse, go across your state, go to a different wma you're not used to hunting, teach yourself before you go out of state. But if you ever get to go up north iowa, illinois, kansas, northern missouri you want to talk about fun or South Texas same thing.

Speaker 4 32:16

Those deer do what the book tells you deer should do.

Speaker 1 32:19

Yeah.

Speaker 4 32:19

So, like that deer, that's there, I get it. No, dude, I saw two does go across and then right behind them I don't know, probably 15 minutes later, was this guy and he was just kind of cold trailing and I literally just bumped a horn together and he turned on a dime coming that way you know, grunted twice oh dude, like I pinned up literally first time, pulled back, thought I was gonna shoot him at 70 and like I was just like and he turned and walked up to 31 yards.

Speaker 4 32:47

I was like what he was? Quarter and two. Everybody hates that shot. It's super deadly if you practice enough oh yeah um. They ran like 80 yards and did a front flip that's a good looking deer out there.

Speaker 2 32:57

You know, a big typical 10 is just I think, I think anybody beautiful, I think anybody that hasn't traveled up north or down south, they need to do that absolutely because you're right, 100 right, the rut is full, yep I mean it's a real deal. You actually see deer grunting and chasing does I mean, it gives you the whole experience. Yep, and you know, hunting arkansas and these, these pines and shit you know what's terrible is.

Speaker 4 33:27

You know how to get it that way down here.

Speaker 2 33:29

How's that?

Speaker 4 33:29

people got to start shooting does. Yeah, you got to start shooting those people, people don't want to shoot, does no, absolutely my dad had a stand there in grant county uh on our hunting club we grew up on we called it the main 80 and the first three years we were there he killed a what we considered a giant back then, right 120 inch to year.

Speaker 4 33:45

Yeah, three years in a row. Well, one of the rules on dad's stand was he wasn't allowed to shoot a doe. After the third year you very rarely even seen a mature buck off of it and if you did, he was because there's a doe behind every pine tree yeah, you don't have to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 33:59

You're right. You're right, you're 100 right. Nobody wants you.

Speaker 4 34:01

That's the one I told you I was gonna kill. So if you go back and you guys can't see this, this is not a giant deer because, just so y'all know, I got my buck kicked in illinois. Okay, it happens so I went, if you guys remember that's a hard smile too.

Speaker 2 34:15

Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 34:18

I was ready to go home.

Speaker 2 34:20

That's kind of a weird smile a little bit. Yeah, I was ready to go home. Tyne's doing something weird too.

Speaker 4 34:26

But so if y'all remember I had picked a spot on a map, I'm like, I'm going there, and then there was one over by the river and I was like I'm going there next. When I got there they hadn't cut the corn. Let me tell you guys, he just said go up north, go up north, but wait until they cut that damn corn.

Speaker 1 34:41

Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 34:42

Yeah, no, kidding dude.

Smart Feeding: Timing Is Everything

Speaker 4 34:47

The first place I could hear deer, the first place that I'd showed y'all, I could hear them every afternoon, like walking through out of the ground, they just live in it and um, and you know, the other thing I said on that before is like I'll hunt a track, and so I just started walking edges of cornfields and I found a big track, and so it was the only big track I had seen, you know, in probably seven miles of walking, and I was like I'm gonna sit here. And I sat there that afternoon and I had found a spot where, basically, they were coming into the wood line to get water and it was just like a little 15-yard little gaggle that they were making in there and I was sitting right on top of him. He walked out from like me to you, yeah, and I was like shaking. You know he's a 110-inch deer and I was about to fall out of the tree like he was a 170.

Speaker 2 35:27

But that's the good part about deer hunting. Yeah, that's what it's all about. I mean, people online will hate on that shit, but they're not there.

Speaker 1 35:35

Yeah, no, 110%.

Speaker 2 35:36

They didn't walk the seven miles, they didn't you know, you walk seven miles, you find a deer track, you kill a decent deer. That's a trophy, absolutely.

Speaker 1 35:45

And a lot of people a lot of people.

Speaker 2 35:48

You know they'll see that picture and they'll judge you, but they didn't walk the seven miles. That, but they didn't walk the seven miles. That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 35:53

But they're on the couch eating chips and judging you and, I think, a lot of those people they don't know.

Speaker 3 35:58

Cheetos playing with herself? Yeah, they don't know.

Speaker 2 36:01

You know they don't know the hard work. I mean. You walk seven miles, kill 110 inch deer. Fuck, put that in the book. I like it.

Speaker 4 36:09

That's right. Expectations of what makes them happy. Yeah, like, yeah, I've got all these pope and youngs. Like, if you come to my house, I've got 22 wall mounts. Yeah, like, it looks great. However, I don't go to kill a pope and young, I go to kill a deer.

Speaker 4 36:22

Like I just like the deer hunt so you go to experience it, that's exactly right and, like you know, the way that I do it is give myself seven days, so I go somewhere seven days. So like, hey bro, I've got seven days, I've never. That's that deer from earlier. If you notice, it's that same first quarter and two shot. But that was that. Was that chomp deer. I was telling y'all to try that way, but, um, that was actually cool man. My nephew was born that day, so I call it the hudson buck my sister had had her.

Speaker 2 36:45

That's pretty cool baby yeah man, I love deer hunting. Man, I I love deer hunting because you you can pick an animal. You could, you could hunt it.

Speaker 1 36:52

Yeah, you can go after him.

Speaker 2 36:54

He'll beat you. That's right. Hopefully you might can beat him. But you know it's all a game. You know you got to pay attention to every little detail. It's just so cool to get out there.

Speaker 4 37:05

And that's the plus side, like I said earlier about you don't necessarily have to go out of state, just go somewhere different Drive 45 minutes to the next place and we're spoiled. In case you don't realize, in Arkansas you think we're spoiled Dude for a person trying to learn how to hunt just in general, Arkansas is spoiled. We've got mountains. We've got rolling hills.

Speaker 2 37:25

Oh, you're talking about as a whole Different terrain as a whole.

Speaker 1 37:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, small area.

Speaker 4 37:35

You can drive three hours any direction and find different terrain to teach yourself. Yeah. So, like, whenever I go out of state like you know a lot of dudes whenever I go to these shows, they're like, oh my god, dude, you're so good at this. I'm like no dude. Like I just didn't have a choice when I was growing up. Like, let's do, if I was going to go over here and hunt, I'm gonna have to figure out how to hunt the river bottoms, or you're right, you're right you know, and it's the same thing with turkeys, like I swear, you can kill a turkey in Arkansas.

Speaker 4 37:51

You can kill a turkey anywhere.

Speaker 2 37:52

Well, yeah, you know, in Dallas County we got a bunch of pine trees.

Speaker 1 37:56

Yeah.

Speaker 2 37:57

You know, it's a little tough, it's a little tough, but then again.

Speaker 1 38:00

it's also easier in a way, Because once you figure out you know, how it's easier.

Speaker 4 38:04

What I'm saying is, though I want to know how it's easier.

Speaker 1 38:09

There's a lot. Pines are tall. It's nothing but pine needles on the bottom. They're dead yeah, so you're able to narrow down right there. You got these pine thickets. You're like, okay, well, there's definitely deer bedding in there. Yeah, you know what I mean. And then, well, I guess I mean you can rule out a lot of the woods in our area without walking out in the woods once you know kind of where they're at. That's right, but like looking at it from the outside, in no yeah the way I look at the same terrain.

Speaker 2 38:32

I look at a bunch of pine trees, a bunch of pine thicket. I don't know where the deer is bedded down. You know, I don't know. Put a drone in there and find them that's a new thing is that illegal. It's tough, for me it's tough, but you got a little honey hole, though what you talking about.

Speaker 1 38:51

You got a little honey hole over there where you kill good deer every year, but it seems like, though, you got a little honey hole over there where you kill good deer every year, but you had to find it, though it seems like at one point you gotta you had to have found it, but to know that I'm just gonna I'm just gonna stick with the fat lines.

Speaker 2 39:04

Well, there's a fat line, it'll work. Yeah, it does. It does work 110, I mean. I mean, uh, I remember we did a podcast earlier a lot of people talking about the fat lines and shit. It does work, it does it does.

Speaker 1 39:14

And the thing about it is like now, when I go anywhere I go, if I'm looking at deer hunting or whatever I mean. I look at fat lines, like I'm dropping dots on fat lines. I'm like, okay, the trees turn from this to this here and there's a fat line. I'm looking at it, that's exactly right I'm at.

Speaker 2 39:29

It's amazing too, because every time we went to this new property we looked at all the fat lines and shit we're like okay, now he said there's a fat line right here. All right, there's a fat line. I don't know why it's a fat line, but I'm putting the camera here, yeah, and it's crazy, because I guess the fat line is a flat spot. It is.

Speaker 4 39:48

You'll get a lot of dudes that argue yeah, it's just a marking line, da-da-da, and I'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 39:52

That's not why it's made on a top line. That is total bullshit, man, because it actually works.

Speaker 4 39:55

But 90% of the time, if you go to a fat line, it will be one of the flatter surfaces on the rich side. It's not bulletproof. I got it Like for the dudes that want to hate.

Speaker 1 40:06

But it is. They can hate all they want If you really want to test fat lines out in your lease wherever you're at if there's a dirt road that goes anywhere.

Speaker 4 40:22

put a camera right there on the dirt road and watch what crosses. That's where it crosses, I told you all. I don't give a shit what they say.

Speaker 1 40:27

There'll be a scrape on there too.

Speaker 4 40:28

Look, I told you all. I figured this out Legitimately, figured this out, when we used to run deer dogs.

Speaker 1 40:36

Yeah, dude, it's straight up there I don't give shit what the haters say. Y'all good, yeah, y'all don't want to hunt. That line's fine, like yeah, just don't kill deer you don't want for us, you don't, you don't want to listen to it.

Speaker 2 40:44

That's fine. Don't do it. Who gives a shit? But I'm telling you, yeah, we put the cameras on the dirt roads, on fat lines, just to see if your theory was correct. And my wife killed a buck. I was like what the fuck?

Speaker 1 40:57

Well, it worked. It actually worked, and you'll find a lot of like scrapes and stuff there too, Not only that, check this out.

Speaker 2 41:03

So she kills a deer on the fat line on the other side of the property. I'm like, okay, well, that shit worked okay. So we went on the other side. You got a big deer on camera. We call it the General. We ain't killed him yet.

Speaker 4 41:15

Oh, y'all named him. That's cute, yeah, hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 2 41:18

Because it's the biggest deer we got.

Speaker 1 41:21

It's a General man. It's not even the biggest deer by a little bit. It's the biggest deer by. I can't believe he's talking shit. It's the biggest deer by damn near double.

Speaker 2 41:37

All deer, huge hashtag, drop a pin, dude. Yeah, after the podcast we're definitely gonna show you the deer, but so so obviously it worked right, yeah. So we went on the other side of the property where, uh, we got camera. You know, b scott got the general on camera, daryl got the deer on camera. I said, well, shit, I won't sit on this road, put a blind up, blind up, and I had a gun at the time. I said I'll just see if he comes out of there by the road. That son of a bitch walked out on the road. I wasn't there, of course, I was working, but he did no reason.

Speaker 2 42:07

Crossed the fat line.

Speaker 1 42:08

They're on them, fat lines.

Speaker 4 42:16

If y'all missed that by, the does work. If you look at a topo map and you're trying to break apart an area, as you go down in elevation, there will be a fatter line on that topo line. You're on out of those topo lines and that's what we're talking about when we talk about the fat line.

Speaker 2 42:25

Uh, for the ones that didn't catch the first podcast, but yeah, it's the first podcast.

Speaker 1 42:28

Go back, go back definitely go and even if you and it does work and you haven't figured it out yet, so like the whole puzzle.

Speaker 4 42:36

Pull up a map where you want to go zoom out. Turn leaf on imagery right so you can see the leaves. You can see the foliage. Look at the multiple colors. Where you see multiple colors, guess what that usually is. It's like a buffet to them. You have white oaks, red oaks and oaks. Zoom in on that. Turn on the topo. Look for the fat line closest to that. Go kill that deer.

Speaker 1 42:56

Yeah, I mean dude, it's almost like that Shocker?

Speaker 2 42:58

you don't know about this. No, I don't. You didn't watch the podcast.

Speaker 3 43:01

Uh-uh, I don't guess, I've seen that one.

Speaker 2 43:03

Well, gosh, damn it.

Speaker 1 43:07

You should watch the podcast that's his homework.

Speaker 2 43:11

Ashley killed a deer last year on a fat line. Okay, Then we moved the camera to a random fat line across the dirt road and the biggest deer on our lease crossed a fat line. Fat lines are legit. You know what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 43:23

Fat lines. Yeah, I do. On Tobogon.

Speaker 2 43:26

Fat lines is where you want to hunt.

Speaker 3 43:28

I'm going to go home and look at all my land layout.

Speaker 2 43:32

If you don't fuck that up.

Speaker 4 43:33

I swear to god, what you do is go back. I don't know what kind of deer killer you are, but if you've killed some mature deer, go back, turn on the topo map and look where those deer were and then it's like fat line. Oh, I thought that was the picture of the deer.

Speaker 3 43:49

What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 43:51

You see this right here. Let me show the camera.

Speaker 4 43:53

Hey, put it on here, david, you got it there you go, see that point over here on the east side of his map, right there, yeah, right on the fat line. You see that fat line.

Speaker 2 44:03

That's where I got my cameras. If you see all of our cameras, they're all on fat lines. It works, our cameras they're all on fat lines.

Speaker 4 44:16

It works, messed around and found out. Yeah, it's, it's crazy, man, see these fat lines right here. If you start hunting that way, just go go to uh like aaron's and get you a new uh freezer at whitney stands.

Speaker 2 44:23

Gotta be a fat yeah, I see all these, all these cameras we got set up are on fat lines, man, and it is insane, dude. Uh, so, so we find a peach point in between two fat lines and that's where we put a camera and boom, there they are, and what's crazy about it? It's like there's only like two or three spots of the whole property that we get mature bucks. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, the rest of us like dead water. Yeah, like when you're fishing. Oh yeah, it's all dead water.

Speaker 4 44:47

It's the same way here yeah, most time for me it's always dead water. Yeah, always dead water. I'm just a bad fisherman.

Speaker 2 44:52

Yeah, we go bass fishing and there's only like fucking 30 yards, you catch fish how do you turn the topo on?

Speaker 3 44:59

oh my god, bottom bottom right.

Speaker 4 45:02

Are you on onyx? Yeah, he's on bottom right, click on it and then hit the. Uh, what is it? Dual, whatever it is there bottom right where it says tracker. No, I'll spin it around here the episode by the way, yeah, see where it says 2D. Yeah, click that. Now go to topo. It'll say like hybrid, hybrid, click on the hybrid one, that'll leave your foliage and give you the topo. All right, see the fat lines there.

Speaker 2 45:27

Zoom out a little bit. All right, see the fat lines there. Zoom out a little bit. You have a skinny line and a fat line. Yeah, that fat line.

Speaker 3 45:33

that is exactly where Whitney's stand is All right that's.

Speaker 2 45:37

I don't know, Ka-chow. I don't know why this shit works, man, but it's legit.

Speaker 1 45:42

She's in a good spot and the episode we're referring to is 41.

Speaker 3 45:46

That's where my stand is right here, and that fat line goes this way and turns and goes the other damn way. I ain't got a fat line over there, I'm moving that son of a bitch. You ain't seen no damn deer either have you.

Speaker 1 45:55

No big bucks, buddy Rut and deer.

Speaker 2 45:57

Yeah well, rut and deer is a little different.

Speaker 1 45:59

It's right there, it's a crab shoot whenever you've got rut going on. This shit really works, man. The episode that we're talking about, where he explained thoroughly the explain thoroughly.

Speaker 3 46:07

I have a stand over here, but I never hunt there.

Speaker 1 46:09

The topo lines is episode 41.

Speaker 2 46:14

And a lot of you guys might think this is bullshit, but let me tell you something.

Speaker 4 46:16

But just pull up your map. That's what those guys think.

Speaker 2 46:18

I mean, if you go back to the episode, watch it, then what really happened to us last year? It's crazy.

Speaker 1 46:28

And if you've ever killed a deer, a big buck on a top of the line, drop a. Drop a photo in the comments let us see that, absolutely.

Speaker 2 46:35

Look at that. What yep there it is right.

Speaker 3 46:37

There, I got a bat line that circles my house so you know what's funny?

Speaker 1 46:42

the house all right, so the house is right there, the house that I just bought. One really good deciding factor on buying it was there's actually two different fat lines that run straight and I swear, I swear, you can ask anybody. There's two fat lines that come up on both sides of it and I was like I'm buying it, I wish it.

Speaker 4 47:04

I wish that I would have put, uh, my cameras out a couple weeks ago. If I come back, y'all remind me like three weeks out, doesn't even matter what time of the year it is so I can set up my two cameras because I love to mess with people about my property. So my property is 21 acres and everybody thinks I'm crazy. I have two different ridge systems that run through my property. There's one bottom in between the two. The bucks never cross, not until rut, not until rut and until rut. It is two different group of deer and they are 150 yards apart. Yep, and people are like there's no way and so, like you know, I'll drop cameras on them, and chris, the camo dust guy, was one of them.

Speaker 4 47:39

Whenever we first started hanging out, I'm like no, look at this and uh and sure as crap, like deer, deer do deer things. It doesn't matter what kind of terrain you're in, it doesn't matter what kind of woods you're in. Deer are going to do deer things. Those fat lines, using the topo lines, zooming out, looking at the foliage, it doesn't matter if you hunt river bottoms or if you hunt up in the mountains, and the thing is, is with the river bottoms what people don't realize. Those fat lines are actually easier to use because when you're walking through river bottoms it all looks flat.

Speaker 4 48:08

But if you look at a topo map, there's that littleitty ridge and like, if you're a feed tree hunter or trying to be a feed tree hunter, those places are where the red oaks are growing. So you go through there and you know you hear guys talking about all the time red oak ridges and it's like what the hell is a red oak ridge? Like I'm down here in the Arkansas River bottoms or I'm over on Biomeda. All you got to do is pull up that topo map. You're going to see that slight elevation change. If you go out there, there's going to be two things on it there's going to be briars, there's going to be red oaks. Sometimes you'll find a pin oak right off the side of it and you can key in on those things and it's money If you're a feed tree hunter.

Speaker 3 48:45

But if you're going this weekend.

Speaker 4 48:47

I don't know when this thing's dropping, but if you're going early season and you want a pointer on what to try to find on public ground early season, persimmon trees and honey locust trees that's the two Honey locust, Honey locust, Yep. Honey locust and persimmons early season. That is your best friend If you hunt river bottoms and you're going late season. Briars and everybody always overlooks briars, but briars are one of the easiest feed signs to read because they'll chew them off. All right, oh yeah, Makes perfect sense. Yep, They'll chew them off so you'll be able to see the bite marks in them. Where they're chewed off the end of them It'll look like you took a bite of a piece of asparagus and it's got the little stuff on it. Same thing.

Speaker 2 49:23

All right. So this is a road. I'm gonna show the camera. It's on the road. She shot it with a bow last year. That's on a fat line on the road. Okay, that's where she shot her deer, just a random spot on the dirt road.

Speaker 1 49:41

Yeah, no, and that was one thing, one of my most active cameras and never baited it, never, I mean talking about it was on the road, on the fat line, it it had deer and what's crazy about it. On the other end of the property it's 750 acres, right here, right. So the other end of the property, the bucks I had in the early season and whatnot, whenever they started rutting around a little bit, I was getting those bucks on that fat line on the road, cruising corridors Everywhere from all around the property.

Speaker 2 50:09

But not only that the same buck we catch on the other side of the property would follow it all the way across it on the fat line.

Speaker 1 50:16

Talk about travel corridors, I mean you're 100% right, dude.

Speaker 2 50:18

And like we thought like there's no way, this shit's right, yeah, but we actually tested it last year. We put every camera on fat lines and it was like holy shit, shit, this, just this shit's crazy. Yeah, I don't think a lot of people understand that.

Speaker 4 50:32

I mean, I don't even know what to say really I don't, and that's the thing is, like there's a method to to madness right. So, like, if your grandpa has a stand and like I told you guys last year, like whenever I came up with this theory I guess you had 20 years worth of deer getting killed off, my dad's main 80 stand to go back and look at it and I'm like what is that? Why is that? Why is that line different, you know? And then I start hunting public ground. I'm like, all right, I killed a buck here, killed a buck here. And I start looking.

Speaker 4 50:57

I'm like god dog, they're all on that fat line yeah and then, you know, I just started moving around to it and I let it dictate it a lot, you know I heard it.

Speaker 2 51:05

Here's this deer. All right, put it up here. Fat line number two on a dirt road. Fat line, okay, check this out. Last year.

Travel Corridors and Using Topo Maps

Speaker 4 51:15

Hey, y'all want to see what that deer looks like. You want to hold him in your hand? Let me at him. Oh my, I'm telling you, I'll let you touch him. I'll let you touch him, I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 51:23

I put a blind up. I put a blind up on I was like you got to be shitting me On a dirt road. It's retarded. It really works. Here's another fatline deer.

Speaker 3 51:38

I mean I could go on and, on and on. I'm going to go home and move all my shit. Look here, another fatline deer.

Speaker 2 51:43

Like this is a middle of an oak holler, Just on a fatline.

Speaker 1 51:46

And bait. And don't get it wrong, and's bait there. Yeah, there's bait there, but they didn't stop there.

Speaker 2 51:53

But the bait is on Fatline, so no, we have bait piles, alright. Alright, a valid point. You know, haters might get on here and say some shit Haters gonna decrypt what you're saying for sure. Alright, we have. How many bait piles Do we have on that property?

Speaker 1 52:07

Probably 15, probably less than that, probably around 10, 12. 12?.

Speaker 2 52:13

Okay, I don't want to bat off asshole, all right, so 33% off. But the mature bucks only show up on the fat lines where the bait piles are Regularly. Yep, early season, yep, once the rut kicks in, it changes a little bit season. Yeah, you know, once the rut kicks in it changes a little bit. But you know early season and you know that goes back to uh, that goes back to a velvet hunt, arkansas, you know you got early season. So how does the deer change from velvet hunting? Like everybody's gonna go out this weekend, arkansas. So the the I guess they're all bachelor's group.

Speaker 4 52:48

So I think a lot of people in arkansas um, I'm not saying that they messed up the timing of people in arkansas um, I'm not saying that they messed up the timing of the velvet hunt, right, but I'm just gonna give you my opinion the timing of the velvet hunt's messed up you think it's too late.

Speaker 4 52:59

No, it's, it is right, it's too late, and I'm gonna tell you why. So when deer start shedding their velvet, they start creating their dominance in areas. That's why you see that bust up of that bachelor group. Yeah Well, like if you look and like, I can show you pictures from Eric's camera over where we're going to hunt this weekend. They started shedding day before yesterday. Deer will start changing their travel patterns as soon as that velvet starts coming off their horns All right, which is? And so like oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2 53:27

Yeah, I mean we're actually starting to see velvet.

Speaker 1 53:29

Yeah, I think that's what's happening now. Yeah, it is no 100%. It's a very moment in our place.

Speaker 4 53:34

Yep, and so what happens is and I think there's a method to the madness I think people wanted a velvet hunt in Arkansas. I think Game and Fish wanted to give them that. But you don't want all your bucks getting killed early. I think there's a method to it. I think the Arkansas, and I think they planned it that way absolutely, because otherwise, after the first year, if your goal was letting people kill velvet deer, you'd have moved it forward because you've seen it'd been a lot easier you've already seen that like 80 of the deer getting killed are hard horned right, but they didn't, and I think it's because of that, like they're giving you the opportunity to go out and do this.

Speaker 4 54:04

Um, but you've got to be very strategic in what you're doing, because the week that they're opening that season, deer are changing and they're starting to move and they're starting you know, like if you go to my property right now, like the white oaks are raining, they started like last saturday, like the top of my shop, like you just hear, click, click, click, click white oaks started raising.

Speaker 4 54:22

So for the last couple weeks deer's been on persimmons, the ones that are dropping early. They've been on honey locusts. Now you've got all these white oaks dropping and they're shedding velvet. These bucks went from here. Now they're all starting to spread out. So these guys that's been running feed. They've spent $500 on corn the last month getting ready for this velvet hunt and now the deer are gone.

Speaker 2 54:42

They are gone. What the fuck?

Speaker 3 54:45

Well, I told you how to kill your deer. Yeah, you did. If you listen, listen if you listen, listen.

Speaker 4 54:54

I you did, I hope you do. I hope you go tonight or tomorrow night, whatever, and go feed with what I told you to, and then I hope you don't miss.

Speaker 1 54:58

I'm gonna wait the last time this year was talking about your shooting abilities really yeah

Speaker 2 55:02

yeah, oh fuck, doesn't ring. Oh yeah, you remember that, no it wasn't just.

Speaker 4 55:09

Uh, it wasn't just that I didn't miss, it was a it was a oh oh fuck but it was a sequence but, like you know, when I left here last year, like obviously y'all went and tested the fat lines. I did so like do the feed thing yeah and then, whenever I come back next time you can be like I killed the general we need to hurry up and, like you, need to come more often.

Speaker 2 55:30

Educate us quicker, quicker, quicker. At a quicker rate.

Speaker 4 55:33

The plus side is, unlike the other podcasts, I do, bro, I'm 25 minutes down the road.

Speaker 2 55:38

Yeah, it was so awesome that the fat line theory actually worked.

Speaker 1 55:42

Oh, that's tried and true, it is.

Speaker 4 55:44

What we could really do for y'all's listeners is come like February.

Speaker 2 55:48

Yeah.

Speaker 4 55:49

You don't want to do it now, right, and I always tell everybody this like the best time to scout your property if you have new property is in February, because you can see all the sign from the end of October all the way through the end of season. So if you know how to read sign, I'll come out and walk it with y'all. We can do like a walk around video. That'd be awesome and put that out. Show like the sign on the fat lines.

Speaker 4 56:11

you can show like their feeding trends you can show what should be cruising corridors and stuff like that and break the property apart.

Speaker 2 56:15

Yeah, shockley, are you gonna go change your shit up? I am dude. He's thinking about it, right?

Speaker 3 56:19

now I am thinking about it no, it is.

Speaker 2 56:21

I mean, if you're not gonna start hunting with whitney hunts yeah, if you're not, that's the easiest way to change it just move her that's way easier. She doesn't know about the fat lines, she will tell her, to tell her, she needs to hunt skinny lines.

Speaker 3 56:34

Yeah, yeah, just my dad, my dad and my uncle done told her about a deer over there behind their house where we don't usually hunt, but we hunt sometimes. Yeah, today they done told me about it, but I didn't, I didn't mention it. So when I asked her about it or told her about it, she was like did y'all tell michael glenn? Yeah, my dad's already laughing. Yeah, my uncle, he told me Michael Glenn. I like that, Michael.

Speaker 1 56:54

Glenn dude. You must hear that when you get in trouble all the time.

Speaker 2 56:57

Yeah, what does your tattoo say on the inside of your arm which one?

Speaker 4 57:01

This one says the wording this one or that one, no, both of them. This one says we live with the scars we choose oh cool and then that one says, we the people, that one's super hey, I got we the people's meal too.

Speaker 2 57:13

Man, yeah, yeah, there it is. Yeah we go over this last time huh huh, you don't have that, huh, that one uh.

Speaker 4 57:22

So I saw that a while ago and I was like does that say probably not, that's hilarious, yeah it's funny.

Speaker 1 57:26

It's even funnier when he tells you why I got that. Yeah, we have a podcast about that.

Speaker 3 57:29

Yeah, you want to tell, no, you go ahead no, you go right, that's your mom.

Speaker 2 57:34

That's your mom I'll pass.

Speaker 1 57:36

Probably not, no, probably not, yeah, probably not. You go, oh yeah well, his, his mama.

Speaker 2 57:40

You know I was in the mood. You know I said hey, you know, you know we're bored. Whatever I said, you want to, she goes, I probably not. That's some bull crap. You know I was in the kitchen I was like how can I?

Speaker 4 57:51

She goes? Probably not. Man, it didn't sit right, that's some bull crap.

Speaker 2 57:53

You know I was in the kitchen. I was like how can I get her to remember that? So next morning, about what? 4 o'clock.

Speaker 1 58:02

I called you in the morning. He called me, I was driving or something, and he called me at like 4 o'clock and he's like dude, I think I'm going to get a tattoo today.

Speaker 2 58:16

I was like like that's a great fucking idea. That's fantastic. I told her. I said your mom wouldn't give it up last night. So she told me probably not. So I'm gonna put a tattoo on my arm to remind her for the rest of her life how stupid.

Speaker 1 58:26

That was so I did. So he comes in next day and he's got it fully tattooed. I'm like dude and I was like I'm going to come in with something on my arm. It's going to be like headache.

Speaker 3 58:34

I'm tired.

Speaker 2 58:36

So it was pretty cool though, because I walked in the boat plant and I showed her the tattoo she goes is that real? I said, well, of course it's real.

Speaker 4 58:46

That's one of those you do like this yeah.

Speaker 2 58:52

No, do like this. Yeah, no, I said that's real baby, that's real. But uh, it was a good sense of humor.

Speaker 3 58:54

I've had not had that problem since by the way, yeah, you got something that night, didn't you?

Speaker 1 58:57

yeah, probably not, probably not.

Speaker 4 58:59

No, no, I did, it's definitely his answer right now, because next time he's gonna get maybe on the other one just maybe I said test me say something yeah, now she's scared what she says

Speaker 1 59:09

yeah, she's like no, no, no, no no that one's gonna be a hard one to explain at Thanksgiving she's gonna show up with one of those eyebrow tattoos that says fine, fine we have a really good sense of humor in our family it was funny and it was hilarious.

Speaker 2 59:25

But it does fit my personality cause it's like everybody comes to me all the time with issues. I'm like I probably not whatever yeah yeah, no it works out. Are you gonna kill it there? Probably not.

Speaker 4 59:34

Yeah, you know I thought you were asking me. I was like hell yeah, and then you're like probably not. I was like, oh, I missed the joke yeah, so I'm pumped up for both season.

Speaker 1 59:42

I'm ready to get going this weekend. It's good to go down.

Speaker 4 59:45

Hey, I'm telling you, like the the weather, like I said earlier, the cold front. You've got two rain fronts stacked right on top of each other with a day in between. I think the dudes that know what they're doing and half the ones that don't are going to kill a deer this weekend.

Speaker 1 59:58

I hope I'm at least half the ones that don't. God, you got me motivated man. I pumped up dude.

Speaker 2 1:00:04

How do you do this to us? You get us all motivated, listen.

Speaker 3 1:00:06

Hey, look this is the reason that y'all I was discouraged.

Speaker 4 1:00:09

This is the only reason y'all have had me on here twice is because I do this shit all year long. We need this, is my head. All year long my wife will be sitting on the couch and kids in there playing Fortnite, wife's watching whatever on TV or playing on her phone and she's like what are you doing? Scrolling TikTok? I'm like I'm looking at maps. Yeah, it's just how I process and like it's funny. I've got a whole bunch of videos on my phone. But like last week because I'm going to Colorado. So my buddy, phillip's like have you shot your bow yet? And I'm like no, and he's like you need to shoot your bow. So I got it out and I split two arrows at 50 yards. I'm good.

Speaker 2 1:00:49

And he's like what right I'm done? Because if I make one more bad shot, I'm like in my head and it just falls apart, but like another.

Speaker 1 1:00:56

Oh, I'm sorry, this is the velvet buck I'm going after. Oh yeah, he's pretty. Show the camera, it's a big bruiser six, yeah, show the camera, that's I'll

Speaker 4 1:01:07

buy the pen just for the area.

Speaker 1 1:01:08

You got to tell me where he's at Dude. I'm telling you I don't have a big six, absolutely, I don't have a big six. Hey, dude, if we don't, kill this weekend, that's why I'm pumped up.

Upcoming Season Plans and Hunting Stories

Speaker 2 1:01:16

I want to get my big six out of the way, hey if we don't kill that deer this weekend, we'll film you Double trio over here. That way everybody can hate us and we'll get a lot of views.

Speaker 1 1:01:32

Yeah, you can go ahead and play around with it.

Speaker 4 1:01:34

No, I mean as a six point. So it's going to take some away.

Speaker 2 1:01:36

You think he's like.

Speaker 4 1:01:38

And he's going to lose something in Velvet. If you killed him right now, he's going to be high teens.

Speaker 2 1:01:41

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:01:52

He'd be high teens with. Maybe he's gonna break 110, even out of velvet yeah no, for sure, and I mean you get up.

Speaker 2 1:01:55

You get up above 110 inches with it with the six points. That's good. That's what I'm saying. 110 inches yeah, no, you know what we call those you know what we call those deer, what taxidermy bills oh yes, I'm putting him on the wall.

Speaker 1 1:02:04

Oh, he's going on the wall, I smoke him. He's going down. We've had that deer.

Speaker 2 1:02:08

Yeah, you guys show the camera. We've had that deer on the camera for three years. He's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, yeah. And it's like holy shit.

Speaker 4 1:02:17

He's a praiser, Like that's crazy. You know, while we're talking, I'm going to put these guys on the spot, everybody. So when are y'all going to come on the hunt?

Speaker 1 1:02:28

I'm ready, dude, you guys we do, just let us know when we do one a month.

Speaker 4 1:02:31

Yeah, I'm going to be honest with y'all. The most fun one come to Texas. Everybody here will kill a deer. Yeah, they got a 13-inch wide rule, but you're going to see.

Speaker 2 1:02:40

I know all about that You're going to see 40 deer and this is the big deal. This is the big deal about it.

Speaker 4 1:02:46

I want to see y'all's capabilities of your boats. Oh yeah, and this is a good spot? No, because the lake that we hunt is super loggy. Yeah, Like super loggy.

Speaker 2 1:02:55

Oh, you say when we'll be there. Yeah, I better just say when.

Speaker 4 1:02:58

Hey, it's like 5th through 15th of December, 5th through 15th Yep, and we have an Airbnb.

Speaker 2 1:03:03

Yeah, absolutely. It'd be fun real quick, but b scott, but 13 inch rule in texas.

Speaker 1 1:03:14

So we're in texas hunting, right? Do you have a picture of this deer? No man, yes, you do. You liar, he was legal. He was legal, yeah, so he kills his deer right and it's on private property.

Speaker 2 1:03:22

It's kind of a guided deal, you know, and the the guy threw out the g word on you.

Speaker 1 1:03:27

It was guided unguided. Though it was guided unguided, it was property.

Speaker 2 1:03:31

You know he yeah he told us what kind of deer is in the area, whatever. So we go there, we hunt, and he's hunting and he shoots his deer. He takes me and says I shot, I shot a good one, or whatever. Well, all right, I can hear his voice that he wasn't 100. You know. I was like, oh shit. Well, oh yeah, he sent me a picture like is that something illegal?

Speaker 4 1:03:56

so you know those semi-guided things. There's a dude up north. He invited me to come out a couple years ago and I wish I would have because they've got giant deer, but he changed the name of his semi-guided hunts to trespassing fees. He said that he gets twice as many people that come now because they're paying a trespassing fee to hunt his property. And I was like that is the smartest, stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 1 1:04:18

It's smart, though, but that's the redneck stuff, right.

Speaker 4 1:04:22

So if we were going, you, talk about haters, though If I get on there I'm like I went on a guided hunt or a semi-guided hunt. People are going to hate you.

Speaker 1 1:04:33

You'll be like no, I went to Iowa and paid a trespassing fee and they're like what's that?

Speaker 3 1:04:36

That sounds badass. What's that? I don't do that.

Speaker 2 1:04:37

That sounds badass. Well, people don't understand, though. It might be a semi-guided hunt, but you still got to kill the animal.

Speaker 4 1:04:41

That's right, you still got to squeeze the tail.

Speaker 1 1:04:42

He's just giving you the opportunity to hunt on his property shoots his buck in.

Speaker 2 1:04:47

It means thick, I mean at least still still this is all right.

Speaker 1 1:04:51

So this, yeah, this is what it was okay so that he was rutting. He was coming from my left side to my right side, right, and he never got a bad eye.

Speaker 2 1:05:00

He never. He never looked at me, he never, never looked at me. It was like day four.

Speaker 1 1:05:04

Two where he's getting exhausted mainframe thick, mainframe 10. Yeah, and he was going from my left to my right, never looked at at me but I was like but my calculations Looking at the girth, all right Girth and length Girth.

Speaker 3 1:05:17

Girth and length. You know what he looks like. You measured from the bottom side, didn't you?

Speaker 4 1:05:20

I measured from the bottom side, that's right.

Speaker 1 1:05:22

And he was rutting and it was like I choose, now he shoots and we was within an eighth of an inch.

Speaker 2 1:05:32

Of being legal hey. Being legal, I was like holy shit, dude, are you serious?

Speaker 1 1:05:36

We're going to get busted, but come on now, like a 130 is barely legal. You know what I mean. It's retarded.

Speaker 4 1:05:45

I can't wait to see a picture of that deer because I can show you one of mine. He come out. I had like seven bucks around me on this fat line but they were coming around that drainage and I had all these bucks around me and I look over and just this man of a deer walks up on the ridge and I couldn't see his horns, just body.

Speaker 4 1:06:02

I hit a grunt call. I shot that deer straight below my stand. He took off running straight to my tree and stopped. I shot him down between the shoulder blades. Yeah, to me he's a giant, right. I'm like, oh my god, he's this big well the place I was hunting. I won't name it, but it has a width or a main beam length. Okay, all right, he didn't make the width, but he made the main beam by a quarter inch on one side, half an inch on the other side.

Speaker 2 1:06:23

I was like I know it, it's crazy, it's scary man, it's scary like beast got deer like it's. There's just no way that deer's not legal. Yeah, I mean, but it barely, but the Texas rules man.

Speaker 1 1:06:36

So, like, let me ask you, Like, if you get a gnarly buck out there that just needs to be shot and he's just not 13 inches wide, I mean, will you just let him go?

Speaker 4 1:06:46

Dude. Hey, I've got a video of one on that same place. That was a six point that was probably 13 inches wide, and he came back around his horns crossed. I have a shed. The next time, the next time I come, y'all remind me I'll bring the shed. It's as big around as this Coke can. And I passed that year and it was. It was miserable. It was miserable. But the thing was it was the year I'd started my YouTube stuff and it's like it's not worth the ticket. Like at the end of the day, yeah, I mean like oh, yeah, but if I could go back like, oh my God, uh, and what sucks is is it depends on the game warden you talk to.

Speaker 1 1:07:18

Um, cause they can take, you Can't they?

Speaker 4 1:07:20

No, it's not that, but like I talked to a game, your old deer, like nobody would have wrote you a ticket from that and I'm like you say that, but the dude that pulls up after you, takes my deer away, writes me a ticket, ruins my career, like you know.

Speaker 2 1:07:40

It's just not. Yeah, no, it's. That's kind of what happened with b scott, like I actually shot the deer and like, okay, obviously that's an old deer. It's just just weird. I mean, yeah, you know he shouldn't have been that old, but it's crazy. Yeah, I'm trying to find a picture I'm scrolling right now. I'm going to find a picture of that deer. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 1:07:59

That's my 137.

Speaker 1 1:08:01

Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 1:08:02

He wasn't a six, he was a seven, but he has 12-inch eye guards. He was dumb. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 1:08:06

That's crazy. Those big sixes dude are nasty. Oh, absolutely like. I want just one of those. The the sixth point I'm hunting like I. I just want him just get out of the way you know what I mean. I want a big six I can put on the wall. It'd be cool if he's in velvet.

Speaker 4 1:08:21

It'd just be an added bonus if he's in velvet, and then just dude, I went to uh so I used to on the side like obviously it's been military, but on the side I used to build uh sw and here and over there up by Hot Springs. I won't say who the guy is, but he also is a football coach up there. He used to be. I don't know if he still is up around Jesseville, but he has a 136-inch six-point that he killed up by Buckville. 136-inch six-point this thing is like pretty crazy 24 inches wide, like 16 inch g2s, like just the biggest frame deer, like if he, if he'd have been a 10 point.

Speaker 1 1:08:57

He's like a 200 inch deer.

Speaker 4 1:08:58

You know, just yeah, monster deer. And you know I talk deer with everybody I meet and I was like man, this is a good looking property, like I bet you got a bunch of deer. And he's like you won't see a big six point. And I'm like of course I've killed 106, point. I walk inside. I'm what the hell is that? Like where did you? And anyways, he killed it like a mile from my dad's lake house.

Speaker 3 1:09:15

Oh, man, so the next two years.

Speaker 1 1:09:16

I'm like, I'm hunting here, oh dude.

Speaker 2 1:09:17

Try to get big six. I never seen anything bigger than a normal six. I think it's on everybody's bucket list to kill a big six. Yeah, I, not as big as that one.

Speaker 4 1:09:28

That's the cool thing about deer, though my buddy Eric. He hates eight points. It doesn't matter how big the frame is, he doesn't want to kill an eight point, but he likes big frame deer and I like unique deer. So, I always say it can be a four point with a flyer and I'm smoking him.

Speaker 2 1:09:43

Have he got a kicker?

Speaker 4 1:09:44

somewhere.

Speaker 2 1:09:46

He's looking for a reason to shoot All bets off. He's a killer.

Speaker 1 1:09:49

you let a spike walk by, that's got two kickers off of that spike, I'm smashing him he's legal and he's got a kicker and I'll probably put him on a wall somewhere because that's so funny. Dude, that is awesome.

Speaker 4 1:09:59

That's what's cool about deer, though like some people like thick ones and wide tall hey, it's like.

Speaker 1 1:10:04

It's like women. You know, we all like different women, that's right. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 1:10:06

yeah well, women like thick ones and skinny ones and whatever.

Speaker 1 1:10:11

How would?

Speaker 2 1:10:12

you know, Probably not.

Speaker 4 1:10:14

That's what they say.

Speaker 3 1:10:15

Probably not, probably, not, probably not.

Speaker 1 1:10:17

Well man, I appreciate you coming on here Absolutely. We'll definitely have to get you back on at a later time, once the season kind of gets going.

Speaker 2 1:10:22

It's going to be hectic. Yeah, he needs to come back after deer season and see what we actually kill and what he actually kills.

Speaker 4 1:10:27

It'd be cool too to walk a property out video and kind of break it down, yeah what would be cool, I think a good one, uh, for the listeners or whatever is like, try to, and it's gonna be super busy and I know y'all will be too. But like that mid-november, right before arkansas, rut really starts kicking off on this side of the state, trying to get one together and talking about you know what y'all are seeing, what other people are seeing, and yeah, and like what I do that time of year and what y'all do that time of year to kind of key in on those deer.

Speaker 1 1:10:50

Yeah, I think it'd be a good idea. That's awesome, man. The more we can teach people, the better.

Speaker 2 1:10:54

Absolutely we learned a lot from last time he came oh yeah, we really did.

Speaker 4 1:10:57

My favorite thing about doing podcasts is, like the, the people that y'all reach, um, just you know listening wise that y' teach until you know that kind of stuff because, like, I'm not saying that you can learn everything from a podcast or a video, but you learn so much more and like it can save you like listening to my bad luck and like what I do now, absolutely save you five.

Speaker 2 1:11:19

I mean, I think that's what it's about. Yeah, you learned something today, didn't you?

Speaker 3 1:11:22

I did yeah, I mean it actually I've been looking at my damn map since he said it.

Speaker 2 1:11:27

I know it actually works, so you do learn things. Hey, if you tip him, he might drop you a few pins.

Speaker 1 1:11:33

Yeah, we had to pay a lot.

Speaker 3 1:11:37

They never paid me a dime.

Speaker 4 1:11:39

I did get a free monster. Yeah, a free monster.

Speaker 1 1:11:42

He might, if he's lucky, leave with a hat.

Speaker 4 1:11:43

That's right.

Speaker 1 1:11:45

Well, man, it's good stuff. I think we'll wrap it up. We're an hour and 22 in Time flies when you're talking about deer hunting. Oh yeah, I love deer hunting. Well, guys, thank you. Hit the like button, subscribe, hit the bell for notifications and if you missed out on the last one, he's with us. That's episode 41. That breaks down the topo, okay you know fat lines, fat lines, fat lines are where it's at. We'll catch you guys on the next one later.