H22 WEIGHT & WATER | Ep090 | Off The Clock with B Scott

Mid 70 mph in a 21 foot bass boat with real gear isn’t a fantasy. We’re chasing the cleanest, most efficient setup we can on the iKon LX21 platform, and we’re sharing what’s actually moving the needle: the H22 jack plate, smart setback choices, and counterweight that shifts the balance point where it belongs. When the transom hardware drags water, you feel it everywhere from hole-shot to pad stability, and you’ll never see the top end your motor should deliver. 

We walk through our baseline runs on a brand new 2026 iKon LX21, then explain why the “transition” to wide open throttle is where most rigs lose speed. From transom angle and water pressure to battery weight and bow load, we connect the small details that add up. You’ll hear how swapping AGMs to lithium changes the whole attitude of the boat, why adding weight back at the transom can be the missing piece, and how moving the water column back can free the hull and unlock RPM on the same prop. 

We also compare lessons learned from the 2023 iKon LX21 build that picked up serious speed with counterweights plus the H22, and we zoom out to what this means for Havocs and other popular rigs. If you’ve spent late nights chasing props, this one might save you time and money by giving you a cleaner process: balance first, then fine tune. Subscribe, share this with a buddy who’s speed obsessed, and leave a review with your current setup and top speed so we can talk about what to try next.


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Transcript

Fastest Icon Claim And Goals

SPEAKER_01 0:00

It's five o'clock and you're off Cargo B Scott. Today, me and Tim Scott are gonna break down what we've been up to with the H22s. Something really exciting has been going on. So we have been pushing an icon LX21 to its absolute limits. We're talking about we have the fastest icon LX21 in the world. Okay. And we're gonna break it down and show you how we did this, what setup we used, and what kind of speeds we're getting out of it. It's quite incredible. But before we get into it, make sure you leave a like, subscribe, hit the bell for notifications, check out the Havoc Boats Gear Shop. We got tons of new merch, tons of hats. But guys, let's dive right in. Alright, guys. So what we're gonna be talking about today is the age 22 and what we've been testing here recently on bass boats. And more precisely, we just got a brand new 2026 LX21 icon bass boat. And we're setting this boat up from scratch. So we have videos of us running it when we first got it, and we've been taking you know micro steps and setting it up, and we're slowly getting the boat faster. And that's what we're gonna talk about today. I mean, so let's go from the beginning. We got this 2026 LX21, right? And we're gonna take it to the water and we're gonna test it. Right off the rip, we ran what? We were 70 miles an hour?

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Right, 70 miles an hour. I had two people in the boat.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Okay, with two people in the boat, we ran 70, and the boat was set up with an eight-inch Atlas jack plate, and it had uh power poles on it and AGM batteries. Yeah, it had what? Four AGM batteries. Four AGM batteries. So right there alone, there's already a lot of weight in the back of that boat. Yeah. And there's a heavy troll motor up front, too. That's important to say because Ultra X. Yeah, I mean, dude, that's a what, an 80-pound troll motor?

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Yeah, it's pretty heavy.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Yeah, I mean, normally, you know, you see power pole trolling motors on performance boats because they weigh so so little in comparison.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

It's a it's a big difference between a uh min coat and a power pole.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

It is, and and really where that's important is like when you're stretching out on the big end, balancing your boat is difficult.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Especially with the gear these bass boats have.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

That's right. You know, because uh because a lot of these anglers are putting a lot more gear in their boats, you know what I'm saying? So they got these massive storage compartments and all these boats. So, you know, uh, once these guys load these boats down with graphs and trolling motors and all the gear, you know, uh, especially the professional anglers, because a lot of times they have a uh a cameraman or somebody else in the boat. So it really affects their top-end speed, you know. You know, and and the one thing I've noticed, you know, I've had an icon for what two years?

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Yeah.

Why Jack Plates Drag Water

SPEAKER_00 2:41

So I always was attracted to the icon just the way it looks, you know. And the functionality of it. Yeah, the functionality of the icon is like really badass. So, you know, I just wanted a little bit more speed, and I've been working on it for a while. Oh, you know, and Scott up there at icons, real good dude. Been talking to Scott a lot. He's one of the owners. Uh Brent Butler, you know, he runs the boats every day. He tests them all, you know. So those guys have been really, really helpful through this whole process. Um, but we did but we did find an issue with the jack plates, you know, especially on the icons and in in the havocs, you know what I'm saying? Uh, you know, uh with a 20-degree transom.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

That right that's the and that's what brought us to the H22 originally, right? How can we clean the water up and get the right amount of weight on the back side of the transom to help not only balance the boats, but help with water pressure.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

And so we've been pushing the H22s, and you've seen them on VJs, Mach 1. Uh I mean, everything we build, I mean, it runs phenomenal with H-22s. So we're like, hey, let's try these out on the bass boats and see what we can pick up with it.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

So well, we know, you know, we knew that Icon had an issue with the jackplate dragon water. Right. You know, because it is a big boat, it's a big, heavy boat.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

It's hard to get it to surface all the way and get that clearance.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Yeah, because you gotta have horsepower to surface the boat. So, you know, it was having a little issues. Um, havocs were having issues. Um it w it wasn't necessarily uh just the the weight of the Havocs, it was just mainly the 20-degree transome.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

And the 20-degree transome gives you the the you know, plenty of negative tuck, plenty of positive tuck. I mean, it was just like it matches a factory tram of the motor.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

And you know, duck boats don't have just a ton of dead rice. So you're talking about like an eight-degree bottom boat or a 14-degree bottom boat, even if you're on the primary pad running it, right? You still don't have that much height from the jack plate to the water level.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Right. So, you know, so so um I remember one night we're sitting in the garage and we're like, you know, maybe maybe it's a jack plate issue, you know, with all these boats in the industry. Um, you know, some boats don't have that issue because the transoms are like 13 degrees or whatever it is, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Transom straight up and down. Yeah, you can put a 90 degrees on it because it's not gonna be very low.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

But there's there's big benefits between having a 13-degree transom and a 20-degree transom.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Right. And and let's let's pull, we got a photo up here. Let's pull it up. This is so this is one of the early H22s we got. It's before we got stickers and all this mate. We're just still testing it out.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Yeah, I've seen a little writing up there, it looks pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Oh yeah. That's craftsmanship there. No, but if you look at the the transom right there, it's 20 degrees, right? So if you were to put a 90-degree jack plate on that transom, it would be hanging low.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Yeah, that that yellow line would actually um if you put a standard bobs on that boat with a 20-degree transom, that yellow line would be like touching, it would it would slant down towards the 20, it would actually be a 20-degree dead, you know, fall right there. And it would actually touch the water.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

It really is a good representation on that picture is where that shadow is of the water, that's where close where the jack plate would be.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Yeah, you know, it's uh that's what a lot of people don't realize that it's not necessarily the jack plate itself. The course that is a gen three jack plate, so it weighs around seven pounds. But the the right under the H22, see where that bolt is right there, that would naturally be a little lower than that yellow line. It would be. And if you draw a straight line, it would actually um go down into the water there.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

And what that causes, for people that might not know, so if that is to catch water, say it was angled down more and it was grabbing water, it would catch and release water pressure really rapidly. And what would happen is you would have maybe possibly hopping problems. Um, your performance would be down because any water that you have to move with the boat is slowing down your momentum.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

And you know, and I also want to point out, too, that you know, a lot of people say, well, it feels two or three inches lower right there, it'll still be cleaned up. But that's at peak performance. That's when the boat is at full throttle. Um, getting to full throttle is the issue.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yes, that's what I was about to say.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

And that's what a lot of people don't understand. Like, yes, in that picture, if that jack plate was a little lower, it would be cleared up, but you have to get to that point of wide open throttle.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

And you may never would. You may have not have cleaned the back of the boat up to that point. And even I mean, you never would have got it to break within the turndowns for sure. The water.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

You see it all the time on the internet. You know, like you gotta trim through it, you gotta trim through it, you gotta trim through it. And that's what they're talking about. It's a transition between getting started and getting the wide open throttle, getting the top end. So that is a little deceiving right there because that's a wide open throttle. Um it allowed us to get there easier, if that makes sense. And once you trim up, you have no uh also too, this is smooth water. This is this is glass water, okay? So if you was going through some rollers, some chopped water, that would be a lot more disturbed there, and it would knock your boat off pad.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

It would, it would. And also saying that going through disturbed water would also catch the jack plate if it wasn't level.

The 2023 Setup That Gained 6

SPEAKER_00 8:04

And you see this problem uh with aluminum boats, you see it with glass boats, you see it all over it. I mean, every boat is the same, it doesn't matter what the dead rise is. Um, it could be a lifting rake or a pad hole. Um, really, a pad hole really only comes, only helps out whenever the boat is light enough that it would actually uh run on its primary and secondary pad. There's very, very, very few boats out there that actually gets that efficient and lift up out of the water. Um ballistic is one of them, bullets one of them, Allison is one of them, but those are super, super light boats. Um it's not like uh the everyday fishing rig.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Right. So let's let's before we go any further into this and start talking about the boat we're setting up now, let's talk about the 2023 icon LX21 that you first started with that we we developed these plates for, we developed the jack plate for. Well, let's show that. It should be, you can go down, it's right there. Yep. All right. This is a 2023 icon LX21. And this has a 10-inch H22 on it. But what it also has on it is the Bob's counterweights.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

And what that is, is it's a plate that weighs roughly 140 pounds. 140 pounds that goes in between the jack plate and the transom.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Yeah. And you know, the whole trick of this whole boat was like shifting the bounce point back in this particular boat. Um, there, you know, that is a huge, huge, huge platform. You can see how the front deck curves out. It's one of the largest platforms you can get on the water today.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Um and people, the thing is about it is like the fishability of the live wells in this boat is top-notch. The deck space, you got everything. It's wide up there. Two people can comfortably live scope off the front of that boat without an issue.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Side by side. Yes. Side by side. I mean, I've had like eight poles on both sides of the deck. I mean, you got plenty of room. You know, the live well is exceptional, the fit-to-finish is exceptional. This whole you know, you know, when I first bought this boat, I seen it at a boat show. I just had to have it because how clean the boat was. Right. And, you know, you know, I'm in the manufacturing business, so I respect that. Um, but this particular boat right here, you know, it weighs. Uh I took some notes earlier before the podcast, but this boat approximately weighs 28 to 3,200 pounds, depending on options. It's heavy. Okay. So it's a heavy boat.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

That boat right there is completely loaded out. I mean, you can't get nothing else in that boat.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

Yeah, I have a I have a uh a light fishing load in that boat. It's not like super, super heavy. Um, because I I do pay attention to options.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Yeah. You got all the all the stuff.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

So it so that particular boat right there, it does have a fishing load in it. It has the grass, has a power pole trolling motor, grass on the console, grass up front, um, a light load of tackle. Um, you know, it's bed fishing, so you only need a few things. But um, you know, it's time of the year, but that boat's ranging out really, really, really good. Right there, the boat's running 75 miles an hour with a 300. Um, a lot of folks says, you know, that may that may be slow with a 300, but you know, that's that's air, you know, that's a huge boat.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

That's a ginormous boat.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

I don't really think people really consider how big that boat is.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

And the thing is, so it didn't run like that before.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

No, it did not.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

So it took the H22 tennis jack plate, it took the Bob's counterweights that was added to it that weighed 140 pounds, and we put lithium batteries in there. So basically, let's talk about the lithium batteries.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Because you know, all these bass fishermen, they want lithium batteries. Battery technology is going up. Well, the performance issues start when you start removing weight from the back of the boat if you're not replacing it further back.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Yeah, and you know, that's the you know, uh, you know, ProGuide has a good battery system. It's all lithium batteries, um, super light, half the way to AGMs.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yeah, go ahead and go in. That's what's in the boat right now.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Right. So uh what we did with the 2026, what we did with 2023 as well. We replaced all the AGMs. We use AGMs for counterweights, but the weights inside the boat. Which is it's kind of bad. Yeah, it's not good. So what we did, we took we replaced all the AGMs with the lithium pro guides. You can see them right there. We actually put four in the boat and we packaged it with the H22, which is also weighted jack plate with the uh 22-degree tuck on the bottom.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Yep. And then not only that, that 2023 icon, we put the counterweights on there as well, which is that 140-pound plate, and that's what got us to riding and and to get the performance out of the boat that we did.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

It it basically uh shifted the weight. So we took the weight of the AGMs out of the boat and we shifted and we put that weight, was actually 140 pounds. So the diff the difference between the AGMs and the lithiums were about 140. It was 200, it was 200 pounds total.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Difference of weight.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Now, then we added the jack plate, which added a little bit more weight, but uh the combination was like perfect.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

And and there it is right there. So he actually just pulled it up. You can actually see that that plate that's in between the jack plate and the transom. That right there weighs 140 pounds. It don't look like much.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

But that's actually two inch square of stainless steel.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Yeah, it's heavy.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

So heavy. That's a 140-pound plate right there, bolted in between the transom and the jack plate. And what that did was it it shifted the bounce point of the boat further back and allowed the boat to you know, the bowel to rise up and it free it freed the water from the hole.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Yeah. And anybody knows in performance, if you're able to get the water off the boat, the less water is touching, the faster you're gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

So you know, and but and by doing this, we increased the pressure of the primary pad. Yep. It lifts the stern out of the water, and it and it picked up uh approximately six miles an hour. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Just with this setup.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Yes, the the weighted the 140 gave us three mile an hour and the H22 gave us three. Yep. Both of them gave us three miles an hour. So we went from uh 69 miles an hour to 75 miles an hour with the same prop.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Yeah, that's changing nothing else on the boat, no gear, nothing. We're talking about just the plate and just the jack plate.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

It was pretty crazy. You know, like what would you pay for six miles an hour in a boat boat?

Building The 2026 Toward 77

SPEAKER_01 14:40

So I know it's crazy. Everybody's looking for six miles an hour, you know what I mean? You don't want six miles an hour. That's crazy. So let's move on to what we're working on now. We got 2026 LX21. Yeah, it came from Icon, and what'd that boat have on it?

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Well, it had a two, it had a 250 Pro XS. Okay. Uh had a uh uh Ultrex trolling motor.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Heavy.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Yeah, heavy trolling motor. It had uh no grafts on the boat. Currently it doesn't have any graphs on the boat. Right. But uh we're testing right now with Ultrex, it's around 80 pounds. Uh here's a video of it right here. This is like what day two, day three of the testing.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Yeah, that's where we're at right now, currently.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Yeah. And the boat's uh the boat is uh probably running 74 miles an hour.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Um it's running a high 73s, lows 74s. It won't stick 74, but we're not done with it.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

That's where we're at right now at this moment with the 250, okay? But what that boat doesn't have yet, which is what we're gonna put on it next, is the counterweights.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

We are uh the next step right now is we won't put the counterweights with a 250 and see what that gives us. Um then we're gonna reduce weight off the bow to go to a power pole trolling motor.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Then we're gonna add uh grass to the front and work ourselves to the back of the boat. So we're gonna work very, very slow to make sure we keep the speeds.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

But and the first thing we did, the first initial thing, all right. So we we took it to the lake, put it on the water, we ran 70 miles an hour the way it was set up from the factory. Okay, so we brought it back home that night and we took all the AGM batteries out, okay, all four of them. We replaced them with lithium batteries, and then we also put the eight-inch H22 jack plate on there to be comparable with the eight-inch Atlas that came on it.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Because you know, Icon did make some improvements over the 23 versus 26.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

So we we we thought maybe the eight inch was just enough.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Yeah, we thought maybe we'd go a little light, you know, shy on the 10 inch and go eight inch because the boat was lifting.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

The boat was lifting quite a bit better. Um, you know, if the the 2026 version of the icon is like it's really, really improved. And it's like, you know, where can we get this boat with a 250? But I I'm thinking, I'm thinking right now, based off of what we're seeing, you know, based off of the history, like we should be 77 miles an hour with a city.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

I'm thinking you're right. I think in 77, not only with a 250, but uh an icon, man, LX. That thing loaded out.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

I mean, come on, let's really think about this, okay? Let's put this in perspective, okay? So you know, you know, that's that's where it ran right there the first day we put it on the water, ran 70 miles an hour with two people in it. You know, that's not too too bad. I mean, that boat's what twenty twenty-one eight or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Yeah, it's over twenty-one.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

It's over twenty-one foot, right? And that's a huge beam in the boat. Well, that boat's run seventy miles an hour right now with two people in it. And I think, you know, right now we we're currently running you know, 73, high 73s, low 74s. Um you know, once we put the weight on there, we're gonna be 77.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

I think so. You know, and and it's the only thing this far that we've changed, we remove the AGMs, replaced them lithiums, and we put the uh eight inch, age twenty-two jack plate on there. Yeah, and then we went back and we said, okay, the boat feels like it needs some more weight in the back. We're like, it needs a little bit more weight. Then we put on the H22 10 inch.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Okay. And we picked up a little bit more with the 10 inch, which tells us, okay, maybe we need a little bit more weight, because maybe it's not all the way there.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Um, you know, it's really, it's really crazy because you know, weights in a rear of boats really do help the boats, no matter if it's a heavy boat. Especially heavy boats. It doesn't matter what it is, you know. I mean, we've been testing the 1963, you know, every day with different options. And uh we got power poles, death finders, trolling motors, and everything else. And you got 90 horsepower tiller handle and what how much weight does it need to balance everything out? So we've been testing all that. Um icon's helped us do that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

It has.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Um, but overall, I mean, the 2026, I mean, it's pretty damn impressive.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

It is, and what what's really impressive about it the most to me is like it's such a heavy boat, right? So to get the boat to rise up, not only just I'm not talking about just floating the nose at an angle that's digging water, I'm talking about to lift the hull up on the water, clean up the you know, the sides of the boat and the front of the boat, clean it up out of the water. And what we're finding is with these counterweights and the H22 is we're able to move that water triangle further back, free up more boat, and it's a trade-off. We need more weight to free up more boat, pick up more speed.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

And and if you have uh the right prop to lift the stern out of the water, I mean it's a perfect combination of both. It is like you gotta get the you gotta get the bowel out of the water. Icon did really, really, really good at making some modifications to this haul. Like I said, out of the box, this thing is pretty damn impressive. I mean, I would say right now that boat is running probably in 95% of this field. I mean, it's not there's not it's not that slow. I mean, like, it's it's really it's faster than you think it is.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Yes, you have people in you know, Allison's bullets, ballistics that are just hauling ass mid-80s, but let's be real here. We're talking about 250s on the back of tournament fishing boats, 250s on the back of just normal recreational fishermen. I mean, they're not all running, they're not all running up upper 70s. You know what I mean? And this boat right now is falling in that mid-70 mark, and if you were to load it down pretty heavy, you you'd fall to the lower 70s, but that's where everybody is.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

It it is but we want to for the 250. It is, but we want to be better than that. So, you know, we're we're definitely pushing the limit here, um, getting this boat perfectly balanced and and and getting the boat to surface the water that way we can trim up. Absolutely. But um, you know, overall though, you know, uh for the deck space, the storage space, what the boat has to bring to the table, it's definitely one of the fastest boats on the water uh as a fishing machine.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Yeah, I mean, dude, you know there's I don't I don't see there being any boats that are as functional, have as much in them, and perform like that.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Yeah, and remember too, that video is no plates added.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah, no, I know that's the next thing we're doing.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

It's running it's running 74, no. Dude, it's fixed to get western in here. It is, it is. Uh, you know, you know, we're about to put this boat in the in the in the uh high 70s, and it's like I said, it's the biggest, it's the largest fishing platform uh on the market right now.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

All right, so the photo you just pulled up, pull that back up. Will you pull that up on the screen for me? Let's talk about this real quick. So this photo right here, this is the icon. All right, this is the 2026 icon LX21. This is day one. The day we got it. Yeah. All right. This is with the AGMs. This is with, you know, the Atlas 8-inch jack plate, and the troll motor up there is heavy. This is the way it ran out of the box.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Yeah, and it's you see the very, very tip of the water column touching uh about where the console is, which is about typical. From the console.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

You see a lot of boats running like that.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Most boats you see on the water is going to run like that.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

And then if you could take that photo and transfer it, go ahead and go to the uh the 2023 icon that we set up with all the H22 counterweights and everything. And so keep keep in mind that water column, the the front of the V of the water was right there at the beginning of the console. We're gonna show you where we get it.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

Right there. Boom. Now that's that's kind of quartered away.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Yeah, it's kind of a little deceiving because you know the back cleaned up.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

The back angle is always the best shot. But uh yeah, it's go ahead and go ahead and press play. It's a lot the the uh the boat is a lot more cleaned up. Um you know, you say you move it, you move that water column back a foot, foot and a half, it makes a huge difference. Um that you know, that boat's dancing a little bit. That's kind of fun to drive, really. Um it is, man.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

You see water pressure.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

The turndowns are out of the water, you know. They're just they're getting a little bit of a spray off of the turndowns.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Um that's just stabilizing it right here in this in this instance.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Port to starboard side. But uh, yeah, I mean, I mean, I both out for such a big boat, it's running so good.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

It is.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Um, the thing about it too, you're getting some rough water, that throat just eats it.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Dude, it eats straight through it, man. Like one of the one of the best boats when it comes to absorbing impact with wakes, just eats right through it, dude.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Yeah, uh, we were running the other day like that, and we went some went on some rollers, and you see that throat, you know, hanging down there, it just cuts through that roll.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

And believe it or not, man, you can turn like that.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Yeah, you can. You can.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

You know, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Uh you see the way the side of the boat's built. You see you got the throat, you got the side weight that tucks in. It's kind of built like an ocean rig.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

It is.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Um like I said, it's it's definitely a masterpiece. I think it's um, I think a lot of people don't give the icon credit it deserves.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

You know, you saying that. Let's talk about that for a second. Anybody and everybody I I talk to, I'm like, hey, yeah, we're setting up these icons, and dude, they're running great. You know, they're running mid to upper 70s, you know, because right now that the icon that's in that video is actually running 77 miles an hour now.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Yeah, it's freaking insane.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

So 77 is pretty damn fast, right? Especially with a big barge like that, you know. But like what people say is one, they're like, I've always heard they're not very fast. They're not very fast. Well, no, nothing is fast until you properly set it up. And with that being said, I mean, you've got to have the right weights and the right places to actually make it set up and ride like that.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Oh, Daryl's walking up boat with looking at the walking. Well, he's on it. But uh, he's having a good time for sure. Um to drive. There's other things you can do to that boat too, to stabilize it, you know. Um more you run it, you see that bullet right there easing up on behind it. But uh, you know, you can add weight in the back, you can balance your load in front, um, you can move some rise to the right side. It just all depends on how you are. Um, Daryl's a pretty light fella, you know, so it just depends. You still gotta balance your boats, no matter what it is, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

That's right. Um and that's what's so fun about this that we're we're uncovering is like, man, with the Age 22 and the counterweights, you know, we're able to tweak all these boats more than just changing props is. Yeah, yeah. When you when you go to when you go to the changing props, we've always said props are just a band-aid, yeah, right, for what's going on. But when you properly balance the boat and you get it running free and you get it running where it's lifted up, cleans up nice, that's where you pick up the most speed.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

And regardless of what prop. You know, right here you guys trim down a little bit. He's going around that turn right there if you notice. But, you know, uh it's the boat's fully controllable. I mean, you could trim it down. That's the thing about the icon. And you know, it's also you know, also the ballistic, too. We've been running the ballistics in the bullets. The throats are so deep on these boats, you can just drop the nose and you can cut right through the you can just cut right through the water.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Can.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Mm-hmm. It's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

And so the next step for us guys is we're gonna put the counterweights on the 2026 LX21. And right now we're sitting at, I mean, what mile an hour 73, 74?

Havoc 1963 Testing And Results

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Uh, we're sitting at high 73, high, you know, low 74s on the icon. Um, but uh let's talk about the Havocs a little bit. Um, you know, what did the what did the H22 do for the Havocs? And we're using the icon for an example here because I think you have a video. The icon is like it's such a big boat. If you can get the big boat to run good, it just works on everything.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

It does. You know, that's one thing we've noticing with these 1963s. Okay. So we got a 90 horsepower Yamaha show, right? On a 1963, which is not a small boat. It's not no means. 1963 is pretty big, especially for a 90 horse. And it's a Marsh Runner XL. So it's a 14-degree performance hole, has a cutout box in it. And what we're what we're seeing is, you know, we got we got two graphs on the front, and we have the H22, eight inch on it right now with power 10-foot power poles, and dude, we're running 50 miles an hour with a 21 YBS with H22. And it's crazy to me because we got so many, and the live well of this boat is in the front deck. So you got so many boxes and assemblies and this and that, gear in the front of the boat. You got your live scopes, your troll motor, your screens, everything in the front of the boat. But the H-22 is giving you the ability to say, okay, I need a lot of gear up here, but we're gonna put the weight in the back of the boat with the power poles, and it's running good.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Yeah, yeah, it's running. It's running really good. I mean, the the it is running really, really good for a 90-horse tiller handle for sure. I mean, it's a 19-foot boat. I mean, I think it has two grass up front and a power pole, slowed it down with gear. You know, it's really running uh really efficient. It is. And uh the only way to make that boat run efficient is to actually use counterweight.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

And balance the boat. There's two different axes that you balance the boats on, and that's that's left to right, and that's you know, bow to stern. And the bow to stern is super important because if it's not balanced back, you're not able to clean the boat up and ride.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Yeah, this right here is a marsh runner right here. And you know, it goes back to the RDB, Marsh Runner, Mod 40 kind of stuff. This has a performance box in it. And you know, what's really important about this particular boat is when that boat tilts up, there's it's not dragging its ass. And you want this boat to free up, but you also want the jack plate to let the boat free up.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

So could you see right there when that boat tilts, it's not dragging its ass.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

But if that was a normal jack plate right there, it would be touching water.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

It would be really, really close because what people don't understand Because of the lift angle. Yes, because of the lift angle. If you look at the lift angle and the standard bobs on a 20-degree transom, if you go back eight to ten inches to get the weight you need for that particular bow for leverage weight, it would actually be dragging the jack plate.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Especially for a four-stroke motor that weighs a lot, doesn't have that much power.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Yeah, you can obviously see right there the water spray is right below that jack plate. Now jack plate is set on 22 degrees. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

So uh that was regular jack plate, it would be dragging.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

That's a perfect combination of efficiency. Um, you know, you don't got a lot of prop slip right there. You're getting um you're getting 50 plus miles an hour.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

You're getting everything out of that that the motor has to offer.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

And uh, you know, that's just uh that's just what a 64 stroke? Yeah. Is it a yeah, a 60? I mean, that's pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

The water spray out the back of the boat's clean.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

Is it even a 60 or a 50?

SPEAKER_01 30:53

It's 60.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

60, okay. Yeah, I didn't know what we put on that boat, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Is it 60? Might be a 50. Shit, I don't know. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Whatever it is, it's running good, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Um I mean, you know I'm feeling it, dude. You see me hit that tuck right there? Like it and the stability of the boat, too. That's another thing, too.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Look at the wobble. There is no wobble on that boat. No. That boat is steady. I mean, look at it.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

You could buy that right there off the tail.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

It's a 60. It looks a 60.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Anybody could run it.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Yeah, it's a anybody could run it. That boat's stable. It's not bouncing back and forth. Turn down's done its job, water's coming out of the back, it's doing a good job. It's easy to run. Look at the tiller handle, it's perfectly level. There's no wedges there. It's it's working off the 20-degree transom.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

And speaking on the 20 degrees, let's talk about that for just a half a second.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

Yeah. Why is the 20-degree transom so important?

SPEAKER_01 31:42

The 20-degree transom, for one, gives you the best of both worlds, right? So say your transom was straight up and down. All right, you'd be good for top end, but you're not going to be good out of the hole.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

I don't know about top end. I mean, it needs to be at least by 10 or 13 degrees.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Well, you know what I'm saying. I'm saying like you would be, yeah, you would have a better chance at top end than you would out of the hole. As a hole, you just blow out.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

I mean, you got 20 degree travel on your motor, so why wouldn't you have 20 degree transom? Exactly. I don't know. I don't know why people do that. Uh they do uh uh they change their transom angles.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Um wedges and all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

You know, if you got a transom angle and you gotta use wedges, you know, you compensate for something. You either got top end or you got turning ability, either way. But the 20 degrees gives you a a fair, I mean gives you uh it's right in the middle range there where you got plenty of negative tuck, you got plenty of positive tuck. You're gonna be able to yeah, the whole when your boat's balanced and run on top end. Right. When your boat's balanced.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

That's what 20 degrees give you.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Yeah, so you know that's that's why the H22 is so important because that 20 degree transom is so important.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

You know.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

So I mean, we've had great results out of the uh all the boats we put the H22 on so far. And the next step for us with the icon, the 2026 LX21, is gonna be counterweights.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Yeah, we yeah, we're gonna do counterweights next. That's gonna be the next thing. Uh we also I also heard that we got a a Bascat coming and maybe a Phoenix. So we're excited about that. Absolutely. We also went down to uh visit our buddies down there at EMT down there in Texas. Yep. Um the uh we're giving them the best, best setup possible to take their setup ability to the next level. So we're looking at 80 plus miles an hour on these icons. Um unfortunately, the last icon we took down there, uh we will not get to 80 miles an hour simply because the boat is sold. Yeah, and the customer wants his boat. So uh we said, hey, give us a couple more weeks on the boat. And he said, no, no, no, no. I'm driving down from Canada. I'm picking up my boat. It runs great. I want the boat. I say I get it. So I'm going down there tomorrow to get the original icon to to deliver it to the customer. He's gonna be here Friday from Canada to pick his boat up. We're super stoked about him. Um, then we're gonna take the 2026 down there once we get done our part. Absolutely. Then we're gonna get some Mach 1s down there and uh see where EMT can take the Mach 1s with our setup. So it's pretty exciting.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

A lot of big stuff to come for sure. And these setups are getting more and more dialed in. We got more and more stuff to offer. The HB22s, which is the breakaways, basically, um, those are coming down a pipeline. We're fixing to have those, and let me tell you, those are gonna be sick. Because what they're gonna allow you to do is have you're gonna have the the weight for for balancing your boat, and you're gonna have the right amount of setback, but also it's gonna break away. So it's gonna be a best of both worlds for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

And a lot of people wait on the uh the HB 22 to come out because just like the H22, it's gonna have the uh the angle on the bottom that cleans the water. A lot of these jack plates are just too long. They're too long. For no reason. And I'm not gonna name the brands, but um, a lot of them are dragging water, and really, you know, if you're not running at least 53 miles an hour, it's hard for a six-inch jack plate to clear the water pressure.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

It is.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Um, so these boats are getting faster and faster and faster. And a lot of people say, hey, you know, why is it necessary to have this jack plate? Because the technology is getting faster and faster and faster. We have to adapt to what we're doing and we have to keep pushing forward. And this is where Bob stepped in.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

You know, and Steven's like he's done a great job. Like he's worked with us uh on designs and and he communicates with us, and we we give him feedback, and he, you know, we're always we're always talking. He just he's just awesome to work with. Bob's is a great company to work with, um, been very helpful to help us get this uh established.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Pretty very open-minded too, because you gotta understand half the ideas that we come up with or we want to we want to have somebody feel, they're not out there. He doesn't stay on nobody's doing it.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

He doesn't stay on the phone very long with you. He's quick, he's quick, he's quick. Sometimes I feel like we're more excited than he is, but uh I definitely let him know that I'm I'm I'm definitely a pest and I'm a bugger. So, like when we get something going, I'm gonna call you every I'm like, dude, where are the HBs, man? Where where are they at? And uh, we need weights, and and uh they're working on all that stuff. You know, you're talking about the counterweights, man. Man, when you see these counterweights, you're gonna be blown away because they're just weights that go inside the jack plates. That's what I was about to say.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

They're not like what you've seen on this podcast right here between the transom and the jackplate. We're building these weights to actually go on the sides of the jackplates, dage 22s. So not only are you gonna be able to do add and replace or swap or change, but you're you're gonna be able to fine-tune your boat.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Because, like, here's an example that that people are into all the time. I'm a heavier guy. Say I'm a heavier guy. Say I weigh 300 pounds, right? And I sit on the starboard side of the boat to drive it, like everybody else. Well, my 300 pounds on the right side of the boat, you know, I'm throwing the balance left and right a little off. Maybe I need a little bit of weight on the left side of the boat.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Yeah, you might need 120 pounds on the left side of the jack plate.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

So maybe I move my weight to only one side of the jack plate, not the other, because I need it to balance out me left and right. You know, a lot of guys what option we're bringing to the table with these age 22s and these counterweights.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

Yeah, you know, and I've been posting stuff on my personal Facebook page, and I mean there's a lot of haters on there talking shit. But, you know.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

And if y'all are do not follow his personal Facebook page, you need to get on it.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

It's a damn cowboy show right there, boy.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

Everybody, he uh he's always in the in the in the thick of it.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

But you know what, you know, you know what I love about my Facebook page is like, you know, these guys get on there and they say some stupid shit, right? Well, the problem is like if you think this is stupid, then take your weights off your tires. Let's have some fucking common sense here, okay? So let's say, so it's really, really important that everything is balanced, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:03

It is.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

It doesn't matter if you're talking about tires, you don't matter if you're talking about boats, you don't matter anything, everything has to be balanced, fans gotta be balanced, everything has to be balanced. Props, for an example. You send a prop off to a prop shop, and guess what? It comes back balanced. Why? Because it makes it more efficient. So there's no difference in balancing a boat versus balancing tires. You know, and a lot of people don't put that in perspective.

Balance First Then Choose A Prop

SPEAKER_01 38:28

No, and I mean we've been preaching this for years, and there's definitely people that are listening, following along, and that are that are gaining from this, but people don't understand that like it does take balance, it takes everything to work together. You know, like a lot of people think the prop is the easiest thing to change, and that's how they're gonna find their speed. Yeah, I need a new prop, new prop, new prop. It's not the case. Start with a balanced setup and then fine-tune it with the prop.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

You know what blows my mind too? And this is just an idea for you guys watching this podcast, you just think about this, okay? How many nights of y'all stared and looked for props to get your boat to do what you want it to do? I mean, you'd be buying this prop, work this prop, work that prop, buy this prop, try this boat. I mean, we've all done it. We've all chased the prop game, right? Why don't we just start with a balanced boat? You know, if you start with a balanced boat, most of the props will run really, really similar. They will. And I think a lot of people don't understand that. Like if you if you're having to compensate with a prop to manipulate the way your boat's running, then something's out of whack. And if you're if you're manipulating the prop to get what you want out of your boat, then something has to give up. You have to give up something. And what you're giving up is RPMs. And when you give up RPMs, what happens? You give up speed. Right? So if you start out with a balanced boat, if you pay attention to your boat, you balance your boat, it doesn't matter what brand of boat it is, okay? If you balance your boat, pay attention to your boat, and give your motor the best opportunity to run efficient, you're gonna have maximum performance.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

You are. That's the bottom line. And we didn't just make that up, okay? That's years and years and years of testing and racing. You know, we take our our mod 40 that we had completely balanced, everything was perfect on it. We had the the perfect setup, and we would try all these different props. But these props, no matter how drastically different they were, we're still within two-tenths of a second of running the same time. And I can honestly say So why how would that be? Well, it's because the prop does very little in comparison to the balance of the boat. Of the boat.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

And I can honestly say that you don't really learn this without racing.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

No, racing yeah, it streamlines all this.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

I mean, back in the Pinesville days when we went down there and raced every day, you know, every day or every weekend or whatever it was, um, you know, we had 14, 15 mod 4s out there, and we learned so much information. And you know, back back in the day, for you know, three, four, five years ago, we had counterweights on the back of our boats to get the boat to launch out of the hole and stay balanced where the boat wouldn't touch the water. You know, and and you know, you put all this you know, you put 14-15 boats running, uh, the same events, whatever, studying everybody's setup, everybody's props. I mean, you learn a lot of information really, really quick, and it really makes you understand how a boat works. You know, um, it's not always about horsepower. Um you could you could always fix, like you see on people online right now, you know, they're like, oh, you put a 115 on it, put a 90 on it, whatever, uh to to to float the nose. You know, they got these huge props and these choppers and everything else. You know, I'm like, you really don't need to do all that. You just need to really pay attention to your boat, start off at the beginning, balance your boat, and let your motor do the work with the proper weight on your transome. Yeah. And it makes it easier for your motor, it makes it more efficient.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Because if you're able to free up the boat, you're freeing up the motor, it it it takes the load off the motor.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

So the cleaner you get your boat to run, the less of the load that your motor is powering through.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Right.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

So instead of pushing all this water that you're trapping and pushing with you, your motor is now, you know, you take all that water and you clean your boat up, now that water pressure is not there. Your motor is actually able to free up and run.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

Yeah, in some cases, you just can't get away from dragging your ass with a heavy boat or way it's designed. Um, but you know, sometimes, like, you know, for an example, an icon is extremely heavy. There's just so much you can do with that that boat. It's just so heavy. The fact that that boat is running 77 miles an hour, like it's running, it's just phenomenal considering how heavy that boat is.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

Not only heavy, but you're talking about wind drag, too. I mean, yeah, wind dragon. The beam is so wide, the boat is so deep. I mean, you you got a big, a big thing you're trying to push through the air and the water.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

And it goes it goes away with, I mean, if you take the horsepower rating, you know, you take a 250 or 300, divide that by the the weight of the boat, and do the same comparison with Havoc, you know, the Havoc is gonna be more efficient horsepower versus weight. Horsepower to weight ratio, yeah. But um, you know, it's a tiller handle versus a steering, you know. Um, you know, I I I really do think if it's a hydraulic tiller, you know, um you should be able to have the console rating. But uh unfortunately you you know you can't. Uh but you know we're restricted to the teeler handle ratings and it gives us a little more of a challenge, I would say.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

It's definitely taught us a lot about setup.

SPEAKER_00 44:14

But it's also pushed industry, it's pushed us to think outside the box and try to uh develop new products to make these boats more efficient and give our customers what they want. Um, efficiency and speed is what we're all about. Um, we we want the boat to run clean and efficient, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 44:34

No matter what it is.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Yeah. Some cases you just can't. Some cases you just gotta drag your ass and just look cool. But you know, it is what it is, you know. Ain't nothing wrong with that, too. If that's what you're into, that's what you're into. But free is fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Clean your hole up. It's faster, it's cleaner, it's more efficient. Your motor won't have to work as hard. Your motor will love you, matter of fact.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

Oh, yeah. Your mother, man, I'm gonna tell you, did your motor be so happy? You free up a little bit of boat. You hear that, you hear the RPMs ramp up, that motor's singing back there.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

You're happy to go.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Yeah, man, you all of a sudden you realize, hey, I cleaned my boat up. What the hell? I can go up like two pitches now. You know, the reason being is it's like you took the load out of it. You know, it's like it's like trying to load your boat on a trailer with a big pitch prop and like you just don't got no ass behind it. You can't turn it, your motor can't turn it. But if you if you pitch down, your motor would just zip right out the trailer, right? It's no different. So your boat is grabbing the water and your motor's thinking, shit, you know, how big is this boat that I'm pushing right now? You know, for an example.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

For an example, you know, I'm running 23 Fury on this icon. I ran 23 Fury from the day I got the boat. I ran 66 miles an hour with my turn, you know, with the tournament load, fishing load, whatever. Right. And I'm running the same prop right now at 70, 74.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

And that gain is completely from RPM freeing the boat up.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

Freeing the boats, RPMs, and clean water supply to your prop.

SPEAKER_01 46:05

But nothing's changed between the motor and the prop.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

Other than taking weight out of the boat.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Yes. Well, I'm saying it's all it's all within the transom inside.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

It's uh so the havocs are the same way. You know, even in the 1963s, we went from AGMs to lithiums. We took the weight out of the boat, right? And we added the weight to the transom. So we balanced the boat, we took the weight out of the boat.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

And all of a sudden I'm on the rev limiter.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

You're on the rev limiter with a 21-pitch YBS.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Yes, but I wasn't before then.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

No, you wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

But now I am, so that means, hey, I can go up and pitch. Now you can go up and pitch. Which means I'm gonna go faster.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

Yeah, so you know, we're running in the low 50s right now with that big 1963 with death finders and all that good stuff, right? And pyropoles, we got 10-foot power poles on that boat, right? So now, uh, since we got the boat balanced, we took weight out of the boat and we put the weight behind the boat. We're able to pitch up and get a little bit more miles per hour. So it makes everything more efficient, whether it's an aluminum boat or a glass boat. And and we're seeing big results out of this. We're seeing big results out of this. Matter of fact, there's a lot of major companies out there that's contacted us, hey, you guys are on something and we want in on it. And it just mainly just like, if you really think about it, you know, these glass boats really ain't changed anything up in in many, many years. And plus, everybody wants more and more screens on their boats, you know. I got three screens on my front deck. I gotta have perspective, I gotta have Ford, I gotta have a mapping screen, right? I do too, I do too. And my eyes suck, so I gotta at least have a 16-inch screen. Yeah, you know, you're not doing light. Three 16-inch screens is better than three 12-inch screens, right? Sure. So you gotta have two screens on your console because it looks cool. Because I want to look cool, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:53

Well, I mean, this, I mean, you one's for mapping, one's for down and side scanning. I mean, dude, I mean, I get it.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

Yeah, man, you gotta have your down scan. You gotta have your side scan, you gotta have your mapping.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

I'm not switching modes on one screen. I'm gonna have two screens with one mode on each.

SPEAKER_00 48:10

No, sir. If I can have five 16-inch screens, that's what I'm gonna have. But the problem is, I gotta get that boat through all that wind drag and all that crap, you know, to get some speed going, you know.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

And and with that icon, the 2026 icon we're working on right now, we're gonna pick up more when we start addressing small issues like the giant car motor up front.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

Out of everything you guys watch on this podcast, everybody watching this podcast, we're gonna get a lot of haters on this podcast talking shit, but you know, just ask yourself this. What makes a perfect bass boat? What what really is a perfect bass boat? Just ask yourself.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

What speed would you be willing to run?

SPEAKER_00 48:51

Is mid-70s a perfect loaded boat? A 21 foot mid-70s is a perfect boat? Because really, I mean, you know, the way I'll see it, if you're running in a low 70s in the Bassmasters, wherever, and you're gonna be in the top top of your field, right? So, you know, if you're running mid-70s in a almost a 20-foot boat with a deck like that, live ball system, fit and finish, I mean, what is a perfect boat? I don't know. I mean, what is a perfect boat? Is the icon the perfect boat? Could it be the perfect boat? I think it's uh, you know, when when when I bought the boat two and a half years ago at a boat show because I seen the boat, I thought maybe it was the perfect boat. I wanted to experience it myself. But is it the perfect boat? The way it sheds water, takes water over the bow, sheds water, it's just crazy, it's insane. Um is that the perfect boat?

SPEAKER_01 49:49

With the right, with the right setup and performance out of it, I don't see how it couldn't be.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

No, I don't see how it couldn't be either. After after we started messing with it more and more and more, we came across the weight, we came across the Bob's jackplate, they were willing to work with us. And once we started dialing in this particular boat, then then you know we went to the havocs, we started dialing in the havocs. We're like, holy cow, these these jack plates are making a difference. Um it's just like, how can havoc get any better? Boom, jackplate comes along. Um, then we tried on icon, boom. You know, big things are happening for the industry. Um, you know, it's just it's just good stuff. It's just good stuff developing. And you know, it's it's pushing the the whole industry, whether it's glass or aluminum.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

It is. It's definitely the future.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

It's definitely a future. And and I'm super stoked. Um and partner up with icon. You know, they've been helping us a little bit here and there. We've been helping them. It's a good partnership. Um, also, too, we're we're we're we're uh we're packaging up with ballistic. You know, ballistic's a fast boat, it's a fun boat. And uh they he has some really good qualities the way he builds his boats, and the H22 is helping that too. It is. So we got big things coming.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

Definitely stay tuned. Like I said earlier, we're gonna throw that uh counterweight on there and we're gonna find some more mile an hour in it, and we're potentially we're potentially setting up the world's fastest icon. I think we have the world's fastest iconic. We currently have the world's fastest icon. I think we do. But we're fixing to make the world's fastest icon the second world's fastest icon, which we own both of them. I do. So I do think though, I do think that. But with that being said, on the same note, it's I mean, just call it how it is, okay? If you put your setup on two boats and they become the fastest, both of them, how can you not say it's not the setup?

SPEAKER_00 51:47

I mean, did I not did I not just outrun that Phoenix? I uh I think it was the Phoenix. Dusted. I think I did outrun that Phoenix. Walking the dog. Yeah, I was gone, boy. Late at night. I I I looked I looked back at that Phoenix and it was it was back there struggling, but I wasn't catching up. It wasn't catching up. Wasn't catching up. No. I made that turn up there on wide open throttle and I was gone. I was like, I don't give a shit what happens. I'm gonna, this thing is gonna roll out, and uh it was a good time. Um, but uh y'all, you guys stay tuned. Like we're having lots of fun up here at Havoc. Uh, we're testing Havocs, we're testing icons, we're testing ballistics, we're doing a little bit of Phoenix, a little bit of Bass Cat. We're having a good time up here. It's all pushing the industry. You guys stay tuned, and uh we'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_01 52:39

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SPEAKER_00 52:54

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12K Subscribers And More Content

SPEAKER_01 53:05

We'll catch you on the next one. What's up, guys? It just appeared to me that we just hit 12,000 subscribers on YouTube. Guys, that's huge, and it's been a long time coming, guys. We've been doing a lot of stuff, and we're moving in a lot of different directions. But one thing that we're gonna bring to you guys is daily content on our Facebook, our Instagram, our TikTok. And I'm talking about the little stuff, the behind the scenes that you guys aren't seeing now. All right. You see the show, you see the guests we have, the things we talk about, boats hunting, etc. You know, we go million different directions with the podcast. But what you're gonna see is behind the scenes of what we do here at Havoc, here at the podcast, and that's between boat setups, hunting, anything and everything we do. You're gonna start seeing stories, posts, reels. So, guys, if you're not already following the Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, please follow because you're not gonna want to miss a thing.