Building While Becoming (with Leanne Garrahan)

An existential best friend debrief. In this episode, Leanne and I talk entrepreneurship, identity crises, intuition, energy, and the uncomfortable in-between stages of becoming the person you know you’re meant to be.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Welcome back to Ambitiously Chaotic, and today's episode is a very special one because I am joined by my best friend Leanne for a very honest conversation about building a business, evolving identities, and what it feels like when you just know you're meant for more, even when your current reality hasn't quite caught up yet. We talk about the uncomfortable in-between stages of growth, the loneliness that can sometimes come with entrepreneurship and reinvention, and how identity shifts can feel exciting, terrifying, and deeply confusing all at the same time. We also dive into intuition, energy, trust in your gut, and learning how to navigate life when you feel yourself changing faster than the world around you understands. Basically, it's one big existential best friend debrief with a little chaos, a little spirituality, and a lot of honesty. So let's get into it. Hi, babes. Welcome. Hi. You're my very first guest.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

No, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_04 0:58

I'm excited to have you here. So do you want to just introduce yourself and tell everyone who you are?

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Yes, I'm Leanne. Um, and I'm Danny's one of Danny's best friends, obviously. Um, and yeah, we met in high school when we were like 12 years old, which is crazy because that's like 24 years ago. Sorry, that was really quite um, but yeah, so since all that, since high school, I went in to UNA and then done nursing for and been in nursing for 14 years. And then yeah, the last sort of like I don't know, I feel like I was always a bit in and out of being disconnected from nursing. Like I enjoyed it and I loved looking after people and like seeing the results of helping people get better and their health. But yeah, as the years went on, it was like just realizing obviously you're always looking after people really when they're sick, and just started to realize and value a lot of other things about health that weren't just looking after sick people, so yeah, just started and my own sort of like personal curiosity and enjoyment of like health, fitness, and all these kind of things. I was like, I want to go into more preventative or something preventative at the time. I didn't really know what, so yeah, I went and studied a couple of years ago. I studied remedial massage therapy, and then the start of last year started my own business doing that, and yeah, it's still nurse a couple of days a week at the moment, and then the plan is to continue growing business, and then one day, which I thought would be within a year, but obviously the reality of starting and growing a business is completely different to what I first thought, yeah. Um, so yeah, still nursing at the moment, but that's okay because it helps in many ways sometimes, and um, yeah, so that's kind of where I am now, and we always talk about things to do with business, and you're like my soundboard for anything.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

Oh, literally, we talk about business and all the stuff that we're gonna talk about next episode. We talk about on the like the daily. We're actually even though we're in different time zones, like Leanne's and Oz, I'm in Scotland, Sunny Scotland, but I feel like we are so good at voice noting all the time now, despite us being in different time zones, like we're so good at responding to each other, which is so good.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Yeah, I'm proud of us. I know, and I th yeah, and yeah, I forgot to say that I was in Australia. I've been in Australia for like eight years this year. Um, but yeah, I think sometimes I think time zones maybe make it a little bit easier, yeah. To I don't know, and also like voice notes were like I don't know how I ever communicated before. Voice notes were a thing because it's literally like you're having a conversation on the phone and it just keeps going on forever. Oh my god, but you don't have to like schedule in the time again with time difference to like actually be on the phone for like an hour.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

Yeah, it's so true. Oh my god, I can't imagine a world without voice notes now. Like, I literally that's like all I all I do. I don't okay. This is amazing because I I want to talk first about I think just like what it's like for you and how you felt it is like building a business. And because I know we speak about this a lot, like that feeling of knowing that you want to build something and knowing that you're meant for something bigger, but it not quite being it not quite getting to that point yet, like being so ambitious and seeing the vision in your in like your mind's eye, but it not coming to fruition yet. Like, how do you how do you find that? Because like you said, like you maybe thought things were gonna be different within a year. Um so do you want to just talk a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_00 4:46

How you found that oh yeah, I don't know where to start with it because I feel like there's so many parts with it, but yeah, completely different to what I thought. I just have it's so strange because I think for before I started studying for like a good like three years, I knew I wanted to go into like being health fitness, but like preventative, and then like COVID and everything, it just sort of delayed that decision. And um so I feel like when I started studying, I was so motivated, like I just knew my path so clear, like I could just see exactly what I envisaged. Like I was doing remedial massage, but I wanted to incorporate treating people's physical body, and then I was like, but I want to bring in nutrition, and then I want to bring in lifestyle habits and everything together because that's I just you you should treat your body as a whole because you are a whole, and if you only treat one part of that, like everything else will be affected if you're neglecting them and they all work together. So I feel like at the start I was like it just all seemed so clear. I was like, I'll study, and then next year I'll start working for myself, I'll get some experience, and in a year I'll be out of nursing, and my business will be. I can't stop laughing about it now because it's so stupid to think not, I don't think it's stupid, but I just like as well, yeah. Then the reality of going into one, obviously only earning when you're physically working with a client that and also I think just the whole build-up of building a name for yourself and a reputation, and it's like any kind of study you do, or like you study and you learn stuff, but you only really learn once you're doing the job. So when I went into doing the job, I actually felt like I knew nothing, and it was just it was just building everything from the ground up. Also, really, I never expected it to be so overwhelming in terms of I never put together like how experienced I am in nursing, and I just like I know what to do in that job, like I could do it with my eyes closed, and I just it doesn't matter what comes up in the day, you know what your reaction will be. So then being put into this new situation where you're like, okay, yeah, financially wise, huge thing, but also just being back to like basically like a newbie again, like a beginner, you don't have any experience to work off. I was like, it was yeah, that was pretty terrifying.

SPEAKER_04 7:19

Yeah, I remember us having those conversations, like we were talking about like imposter syndrome, because I was saying like it's so normal. I think throughout your whole kind of career, really, like when you get to different levels, like there's different, different they say, like what different levels, different devils, like that's so true. But I think at the start of my like PT journey, oh my god, I was the exact same, and I remember saying that to you, like, you've got to just be a beginner at something, but then look at you now, like you've got so much experience in what you're doing now, and and now you're like you're all you're kind of expanding your vision for it even more as well, which is amazing. You've built even more experience and knowledge and confidence um in what you're doing, which is amazing. But it's I think it is scary being a beginner at something again when you've built up so much experience in in one thing and you feel like an expert in that to then start something new that you feel a calling to, but not quite feeling like the expert yet. Do you know?

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Yeah, yeah, and it's like yeah, it's such a weird feeling to know, like you say, like you know exactly like you believe so much in your vision and that you're capable of it, but then it is totally like say that imposter syndrome because you are new at something, so it's like I actually believe that I'm capable of putting like into the world what I want to create, but at the same time, where you are currently, you're like that is so far away that I don't actually like I don't actually know how to get there, even though you can imagine being there. It's a really weird feeling, and it I think like like anything, especially anything new, it can just take a lot to like make you like stumble a bit on confidence, and obviously, like going from an industry where you work with a team all like you have a team and like any like sort of where you are employed and you've got a manager and it's like who's validating me? Oh my god, like literally, like how do you get over that? Like, I don't like you've done it for so many years, and it now I'm just in awe for anybody in business, it doesn't matter what they do or how small or how big it is, it's like because you've all gone through the same things, and that's what I'm realizing now. Like, I've been kind of lucky enough, like I'm so lucky to have you. Um, and even though we're at different stages in business, it's like anybody in business has gone through these things at some point, but when you're in it, you're like, I'm the only person that's ever felt like this, and then you there's so much self-doubt there. Um, so yeah, I'm yeah, so so lucky that I have you, and then luckily now I've met a couple of other people that are in business, and I'm like, Oh, okay, this is normal. Although it's not yeah, even though it feels horrific sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

Oh, totally. I think it's so important to like I think like running your own business is it can be so isolating because you're like, Am I the only one that feels like this? And like you said, you don't have a manager or someone there being like, This is what I'm wanting to do, you're doing a good job, like let's have um have a meeting, like you've just got yourself. So I think like it's so important to have like-minded people who get it that you can soundboard off and just have those conversations with, like it's and you're that for me as well. Do you know? Like, even though I'm that you still very much help me as well with things, so like it's so important, I think, to have that. Like, I found like running a business is so fucking hard, like it's so hard.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Um yeah, and especially at the start, I was like, like, money was coming in, like of like little bits. I started with remedial at first, I started like contracting in an already established clinic, which was definitely great because I could go in, I don't have to worry about any of like the marketing side of things. I just go by just earn per client, and oh my god, for the first few months it was like I'd sometimes go a whole week, I'd see like one or two people, and it's like, oh my god. So when money started coming in a little bit more, I'm like, oh my god, this is great. And then you're like, because you've got a goal of where you want to go, you're like, okay, well, now I need that money for this. I had and it's like, no, you have to think about like your tax and all these kind of things. Obviously, no one's paying like in Australia we call it your superannuation, but like for your pension, all that kind of stuff, and I had no idea, like also still working part-time and then starting my business. I'm like, I don't I don't understand tax. I know like I just every year I do my tax return at the end of the year because that's what you do here, it's a bit different from Scotland, but I'm like, what? So then I just started hoarding my money because I was like like anything I earn. I'm like, okay, now I'm just gonna put 60% away of what which is insane. I actually only have to pay 30% tax, but I'm putting away like double that because I'm like nothing, oh well, it's it's like I don't know, is a tax man gonna ask me for like $20,000? Even and yeah, now when I look back on it, also I didn't even earn $20,000 in that first year, but I'm like, yeah, now when I look back on it, it's kind of like, oh, you're just so you're just so oblivious, and like you say, you don't have anybody to say, like, no, this is what you do, and then do this next. And yeah, it's just oh, there's so much to it. And then you it's like anything, you start like changing your path a little bit because totally different interests come up or like different opportunities come up.

SPEAKER_04 12:40

Yeah, let's talk about that because obviously, I mean, we both have had we'll get into the identity stuff in a second because that's a big part of it. There's gonna be a lot to that, but I think we both We might need a part two. I know we might. We might we can maybe split this into two to be fair. Um, but I think because we've both changed so much, which we'll get into in a second, and your like your interests, your values, and you know, things like that change that both of our visions for our business and our direction have changed. Because you're talking are you happy to talk about the fact that you're kind of going into more holistic side of things?

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:16

Do you want to talk about that? Because I feel like, yeah, for both of us, we both had like a shift in the direction that we want to take things from when we first started. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Yeah, yeah. Um, so like basically just how I kind of like I guess discovered that shift into more holistic health. And yeah. Yeah. I think it definitely goes back to I remember in like 2020 being like, okay, I want to move into something health fitness. I didn't really want to go and do my PT, all that. Found about remedial and that's when I guess my own personal when I look back, my own personal changes started then in terms of like just like things that I would listen to, like podcasts, a bit more like I think I've always been quite curious of human beings as a like greater I don't know what word you use, like experience. I don't know, just in terms of like it's so easy to think that every human being is just the same as what you are, but I don't know, yeah. I don't know how to explain it. I understand it in my head, but yeah, so like my own kind of interest with what I was listening to mainly then, um and then yeah, like I say, I've just always liked health fitness, and then with nursing the last five years, I think five years I've worked in oncology, and definitely I feel like that was like a huge turning point in terms of like obviously I've looked after people when they're sick before, and um we all know that like lifestyle and things like that affects your health and it puts you at greater risk of like what you you might end up with health-wise, depending on how you live your life on many different aspects. Like, and I think it's easy to think, yeah, well, I eat well, but like, yeah, but if you're stressed out your mind 80% of the week, you're actually like that's at probably worse in some ways.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

Oh my god, I say this to clients all the time. I'm like, you are so stressed, your cortils, please calm down, like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

And I mean, I'm also speaking from experience and someone that is still struggles to manage stress at times. I'm definitely like the last like year or two, especially. I've I have changed, but I think as well when I look back in myself in the last two years, more so with this whole sort of going into holistic health, is when I've had the biggest change of myself. So um yeah, anyway, like working in oncology, it's like just seeing people every day. I'm not saying that everybody's there because they've made bad choices with how they live their life. This is like obviously an open thing, but it's like I think the statistics are that 95% of medical conditions are caused by lifestyle and how we live, and only 5% of diagnosed health conditions are actually from genetic causes.

SPEAKER_04 16:16

Really?

SPEAKER_00 16:16

So, like, I don't know, doesn't that blow your mind? It's insane.

SPEAKER_04 16:19

Wild, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

And it's like it's easy to every we're all because our families, cause our heritage, cause our genes, we're all gonna be at risk of certain things. Um but it's just insane that like basically like how you live your life, you're yeah, like 95%. I don't that's like when I heard yeah, when I heard that stat, so it's like why do you not want to make the most of not even just how you're living now, but like what future you like? I don't know. I have this like weird, a little bit of a core fear of being like an old person and I can't walk and I'm like not able to still enjoy life. Like, I want to be like I want to be in my 70s and still go on hikes, and you know, I don't want to just be like this old person sitting at home who does nothing, but not because they're not able to, but just because they're like, well, now I'm old, so I don't do things, like I never want to have that.

SPEAKER_04 17:20

Oh my god, I'm the exact same. I literally like I cannot think of anything worse. Like, I it's also a little bit of a fear as well. Like, I don't want to get to that age and just be miserable. I want to still be, yeah, going to going on hikes, going to the gym. I still want to be lifting heavy stuff when I'm being just strong and capable. Like, see when I see these videos on Instagram of like these older women who are still like lifting and doing pull-ups and stuff, I'm like, that's fucking so incredible. Like I want that to be me. Do you know they're still living? Like, yeah, I'm the same as you. Like, I want to literally live a really full life until the very end, you know, and that's what like I think people don't realize sometimes, like the importance of what you do now is not just for now, it's also for your future self as well.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

Yeah, yeah, and it's like again, just go like going back to like what I've seen with being in a a nursing, it's like it's just so eye-opening, like, and especially with something like cancer, which is like of affects so many people, and to just see like now I work in like a huge hospital, and we don't close one single day of a year, like not even on Christmas Day, and it's like just to it just puts into perspective like not even just for cancer, but just all health conditions, like how like that's not what life was like for people, like probably even like 30-40 years ago. So, like, never mind like before that, but it's like like yeah, just health conditions in general, it's just I feel like it's exploded, but there is also that argument of there's more science around things and testing, but at the end of the day, I still go back to that statistic of like it's 95% could be pretty much reduced if we choose how we choose to live. And I'm just I don't I just feel good for like choosing to live well.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

Yeah, I was just about to say that. Yeah, you know how we talked about as well before, like how I know this is something we would mention in the podcast, but you and I have said many times before in voicements to each other, like how can people not want to feel this good? And we were saying, like, obviously it comes down to habits and like you know what you've you've done for a prolonged period of time. Um, and I think what we were saying before is like those who have lived in a certain way, they don't know any different, they don't know any different how good they can feel. But I think once you get to a point where you do feel really good in yourself, like you're nourishing your body well, you're moving your body well, you're recovering well, you don't want to let that go. So you literally do everything you can to maintain it. Whereas the people who don't have that lifestyle don't know how good they can feel until until they eventually get there. But it's that you know, it's it's I'm the same as you. I think like we speak about this a lot, like again, kind of what we talk about is sometimes like alcohol, and I think our culture here is uh very alcohol and food-driven, but very alcohol-driven, and that's something we speak a lot about as well. Is like, you know, how do people drink that often and not feel terrible, but they don't really know any different because it's what they've always done, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Yeah, and I think that's it. Like, they actually to them they don't like they don't feel bad because it's just normal, like they don't know, and it's yeah, I it just yeah, it's so difficult. It's not difficult, but it's like you it's like any any way that you start to make changes in your life. So like this is where I kind of like how I would maybe view the holistic terms of things is like if you when you like if you've never been into exercise, we'll just use that as an example because that's what you do. But like if people come to you and they're like, Okay, I want to start training, but they don't really think that they have any desire to change any other aspect in their life, you'll get you'll feel a little bit good from training and not looking after anything else, like you'll have some effect of it, but you come to this point where you're like you you'll start to naturally because you're feeling good from that, you want that, like you want those endorphins and like that feeling good to become bigger and to become more. So then you'll start like, yeah, and then you start looking after your food more, and it's like, okay, well, now that's like they're helping each other. And then when you do like have like, you know, you go on holiday for a week and then you like just eat whatever because you're on holiday, you start to feel the difference in it a lot more and It's just like, yeah, like you said, like just a domino effect of like, well, now I've done this and I feel good, and then I add this in, and that's kind of where holistic health comes in. And like I done a course recently, and it's like their six principles are looking after your psyche, so how you think, how you talk to yourself as well as others, um, what you eat, your hydration, movement, sleeping, and breathing. And I just know as well, for especially from the last two years, like I think even before I sort of found out about their six pillars, I was like, that's actually kind of all little things that I've slowly implemented and gradually added to my own, or not added, but you know, started looking after and becoming aware of, and it's so true because now sometimes, like, if I don't do a meditation or a breath work, I can feel so completely different in the day for not doing that thing, and then you become so sensitive to other things, so like yeah, like you're saying with alcohol before, and especially like food as well, like well, but I love food, um but yeah, it's like yeah, you become so sen there's such social things, and then like I'm now so sensitive to alcohol, which is mental. If you told me 10 years ago that I would hardly drink, like that's insane. I know, I'm because now I could have I know and I could have like and you're the same, you could have like one drink, and my whole sleep is so bad, it's so not like it's so bad. Even sometimes just having a late night, like I went to this uh gig with my friends a few months ago. I didn't drink, I had a soda water. I was working the next day, had like a full day of clients, seven clients was insane. And I woke up, went to bed at like 11:30. My body clock at four o'clock, 4:30 is like, well, Leanne, it's to start, it's time for you to start waking up because you normally get up at like five. Woke me up and I was awake all day. I felt like I had been on a bender all night.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

Oh, it's horrible, isn't it? It's so bad.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

What? How like if I slept even a couple of years ago, if I slept bad, I don't think I would ever have felt as bad as what I did then. But now you just become so sensitized to everything, yeah. Because you're doing so much that's benefiting you.

SPEAKER_04 24:22

Totally, and then you get in, you get your gets used to that way, your mind gets used to that way. And I think like this is what I say to clients all the time like to break a habit is really hard. It is hard because you've you've done something subconsciously for months or even years to get to where you are now. So, in order to break that, there's a there's a lot of resistance that comes with it, and a lot of effort that has to come at the beginning. But the more you you push through that barrier, the more it becomes subconscious, and then you get to the point you're speaking about, and that becomes your new normal. And whenever anything throws you off that, you just really notice it, and you I think you're I was saying this to a client the other day, your bounce back ability becomes stronger because you're like, right, this is out with my norm. I want to get back to how I normally feel. Give me my normal structure, normal meals, my normal routine. Um and you you start to feel more like yourself again. Um it's so interesting, isn't it? I think it's it's fascinating and how yeah, how sensitive we've both become to alcohol. Oh my god, like I yeah, alcohol, I'm literally one or two glasses, and I'm like, that affects me massively.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Yeah, I'm oh there's so there's so many things that have like um like just triggered me into like a bad sleep. Like we've like this is all stuff that I've told you before, but even when I first started going to sound baths and then I went to one and it was on quite late, I didn't sleep all night. I was wired, and I was like, aren't these meant to chill you out? And I had to stop going to them for a while. I actually have like a time um boundary, like I can't go to one later than 5 30 at night because it will disrupt my sleep, yeah. It's meant to like it's just so crazy. Like what goes on inside the body? So, like things like that, where I feel like, and I don't know, like how do you then what do you say to clients?

SPEAKER_04 26:18

Is there ways that you help them through that initials part where like because change is so hard, especially when it's like say, like it's that conscious effort, and it feels like it feels really draining at first because you're like, oh my god, and especially if it's different to what people that's is another huge topic, but what people around you are doing, yeah, if it's different to that, oh my it's it's easier to just self-isolate, and I'm I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna lock myself away for six months until I get this like locked down because the people you're around in the environment, it you were so influenced by that massively, and I think with what I say to clients is like you have to become so consciously aware of the habit you're trying to build, and firstly be aware that it is going to be hard and acknowledge that you are gonna feel resistance and have to push through that resistance because the more the more action you take in order to break that habit and build a new one, the more your subconscious sees it as a safe thing to do, and it starts to become more habitual. But it is hard, and I think what a lot of people when they think when they don't realize how hard it's gonna be, they'll maybe do it like once or twice and be like, Oh, I can't do it. You know, it's it's easier to just stay.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Oh, 100%, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 27:38

Like it's it's easier for your subconscious to stay in the familiar, even though that's not where you want to be. Um but I think if you have again the right environment, the right support system around you, be it a coach, be it your friends, your family, you know, that really helps. And again, we spoke about this a lot, but like your environment does massively impact it and the people that you're surrounded by because it's very easy to be influenced, especially when out and about, you know, especially with the alcohol thing as well. We spoke about this a lot too. Like, yeah, you know, it's it's hard when everyone's drinking, and I I think it's so wild that in this day and age, and I'm probably generalizing, but like I think it's more people question more if you're not drinking, rather than if you are like people saying, Oh, you're not drinking, like you know, and it it's maybe not it's not in every scenario, but I think I've spoken to a lot of clients about this, and I know that they struggled with not even just alcohol, but when they bring their food to to something or they're making a different choice, like to not have a takeaway for whatever reason, yeah, and people question that, and it's like, well, they're just they're just doing what feels aligned with them and they're bettering their health. So I think yeah, like being around the right people is is so important because it does it does influence our decisions, doesn't it? Massively.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Well, yeah, that's a huge thing, and I think as well, I think we get questioned it's we're still part of the generations that do question that kind of thing. Because I don't know what it's like back home now, but in Australia, a lot of the younger, I don't know what generation they're on now, like Jen, whatever they are, like the ones that are like 1820, and um like here, like I mean, here it's luckily it's so much easier to live a healthier life. Like, I mean, like I live in Brisbane and to be honest, I see blue sky pretty much every single day. Oh jealous, which is amazing. Um, so just that on itself encourages you to make healthier choices because it's sunny outside and it's like and uh and also where I live is quite a like health-influenced place, um, but yeah, that younger generation here in a way, like there's not a binge drinking culture, and actually I think like there's been a lot of studies where most of a lot of them don't drink at all is really normal because I think now for that normal generation, and maybe a little like I have a two views on social media, but maybe like a good thing with social media is because then they are getting influence for like health fitness. So whereas we were like going out and drinking doing whatever till like four o'clock in the morning, drinking and fields out of street, straight vodka wall and like you know, just like going on holiday for like a week or two, and all you do is like drink. I would I would literally die.

SPEAKER_04 30:33

I'd I just I can't think of anything worse. Like we do that ourselves, but I think you're right. Like, I think now it's changing more here now. Like, I think the younger generation, is more so since COVID, like they don't drink half as much, like we we did. Um but so I think yeah, it it ha it is changing, um, but I think our generation they still like to to drink a lot, and again, you know, that's it's each their own, but I think it's yeah, it's it's hard when you're surrounded by that and to not be easily influenced.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

And um I think I think with tra oh no I was gonna say um I think with people question I'll call it like the biggest thing because it's like such like it is attached to every um this just came to my mind just now, but I feel like people question things because they don't understand change. Yeah, this is literally what I'm realising because when you were talking before about that obviously speaking with clients and them talking about that whole like you're making a different choice than people that you're with, and then how would you navigate that, especially in social situations or even just with the people that you live with? It could be like your friends, you could live with I don't know, your husband, wife, whatever, you can still have that difficulty. And um, but I remember when I because I studied full-time for a year and still worked full-time as a nurse, and one of the nurses that I work with said to me, She's like, So you like in this kind of like like just confused, she obviously just didn't understand. She's like, So you're just gonna massage people now? As though, like, whoa, like you're a nurse and you're in a good job, and now you're what you're and I'm like, one remedial massage is it's actually a form of therapy, like you do it's you have a diploma, you have to be registered with an association, so it's not just about massaging people. You it is a lot more than that, like and it's I think I think the um standards with remedial therapy back in Scotland are a bit different. It's not so much uh it's not really regulated here, like we have associations and stuff, so if you're doing it the proper way, but there is people a little bit dodgy out there, but it just means that the industry has a bit of a like there's quite confusion around industry because there's people that will sell the treatment and it's like just a deep tissue massage. Whereas like I have clients come to me and I treat them for a satok or frozen shoulder, and like it's like you're kind of like I in an easy way it's like a step down from physio, like a lot of what the techniques we use and we do dry needling and all these different um like what's it um can't think of the word techniques, yeah. To um to treat someone who had a total mind blank. Um and yeah, she was just like and she is an older woman and all she's ever done is nursing, but it's like she just obviously doesn't understand change. Like, why would you want to change? And and I think also it's hard when you get questioned with that because sometimes when you're changing, you're like you understand it, but you don't understand it. So when people kind of like question you with something that makes you be like, Oh well, well, nursing is a good career and I can earn good money doing it and blah blah blah, but I have this, I have something else that I want to do, which I feel is more aligned for me. But then someone really like just comes, it's like they've just like stomped on top of oh my god, and they're like, Oh, like am I missing something? Or yeah, yeah, yeah. So I feel like when people question, like, oh, why are you doing this or why are you doing that, like maybe they've just never really changed?

SPEAKER_04 34:25

Yeah, let's this leads us really nicely into our next topic. No, I agree. I think um I think again, we've spoken about this a lot, like not everyone is as self-aware as we are, um, but also not a lot of people have been through like obviously everyone's completely different, not a lot of people understand the change or you know, on that deep level, and and what that does for you. And I'm a big believer, and I know that we've both obviously experienced this now that when you change and evolve as a person, your business evolves with you because your you know, your ideas expand, your values change, your just so much changes, and your business then changes with you. And that's obviously what's happened to me a lot in the last however many years. Like, I am a completely different person to who I was like two years ago, and I didn't associate with the old brand anymore. And I was like, I need to let go of that, you know. Like I just had to let go of that and and rebrand and and you know, build the business more aligned with who I am now and the direction I wanted to take it. But I think let's talk about that because it's such a and I've spoken about this on previous episodes, but it's such a deep topic that I know so many people resonate with, but not enough people speak about. And I think because it's so deep, people like not a lot of people understand it. And I also think if they do understand, they almost feel perhaps a bit vulnerable talking about it because they might feel alone in it. So I want to make this like a thing that people do speak about because I know when you and I talk about it, we just feel so seen. And you and I are like so we're connected on like a soul level. Like literally before you came on the podcast, we were both like I knew you were gonna be feeling the same, but we were like, Oh, this week being so exhausted and fatigued, the planets are doing this, they didn't sleep well, and we were all like me too.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Um oh, literally all the time. It's actually I I feel like I was actually wondering why this is earlier, and I had this other random thought because I was like, maybe you can cut this out in the podcast if you want. I was like, maybe when you were conceived, and then when I was conceived, it was like the same n or something like there must have been something the same in the heart. Maybe, oh my god, make because it literally is really freaky if it's I'll say something like I've been thinking this, and then you're like, I literally was thinking that yesterday, and vice versa, or I've been feeling this, or like I've not slept for days, and I'm like, I've not slept for days, and it's it's like the exact same pattern, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:12

Or you'll be understand, or you'll be like, Well, I haven't slept on this day, but I had a really good sleep last night, and I'm like, Oh my god, same, what the hell? And there was one day you were like, I no, I think I've said it to you. I've been listening to I said, I think I said to you, I've been feeling really like at capacity, and I couldn't listen to my normal music in the gym. So I'd be listening to podcasts, and you were like, same, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Like, and it's like something that I'd been doing for like a week or so, and it's like, you know, when you kind of change something, but you don't realize like I never really realized it until you said, but I just I had felt for like a a wee while that every time I was at the gym and put music on, I was like, oh then my brain's gonna explode, like I can't listen to music and move at the same time.

SPEAKER_04 37:55

Yeah, that's exactly how I felt. I was like, this is too much, too much. I need calm. Um yeah, it's weird. We're I think the the in between like identities and the changing, it's it's really hard because nobody I don't think you understand it until you go through it. It's not you know, how can you?

SPEAKER_00 38:18

It's like with anything, you can't really truly understand it until you go through it, but it's like a feeling in your gut, like, and it's like yeah, I find it so bizarre that just certain things you don't you don't align with anymore, you don't resonate, and you start to do things differently, you're like, why you know it's yeah, it's like nothing in your daily life has changed, like you're in the same, you're living in the same place, you see the same people, you're doing the same stuff, but like you just don't understand anything that's around you. Like you feel like you're like you just and like yeah, you just don't understand why it's happening, or you're like, why like why does that just not that things are necessarily annoying you, but you're like that just doesn't make sense. Like, even just little habits and whatever, like that whole like listening to music in the gym, all of a sudden just one day you're like, I just can't, like oh, it's so weird.

SPEAKER_04 39:17

Even even like I feel so like little things that I've noticed as well is like the type of music I've been listening to is like now when I get aged, and then like even like the the clothes I'm gonna wear, I'm like, oh I don't like that anymore. Like, and I know that's just that's something that comes with like age anyway, but like I don't know, there's just so many little things, and like that does not resonate with me anymore.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

I think it's um yeah, like obviously you you naturally change like usually like likes and because especially stuff with clothes, whatever, because stuff comes in and out of fashion, so that will always change a little bit, but it's different in this sense because like you said just there before, it's a feeling, like it's not like I find it really difficult, like I find it easy to explain to you because I'm probably not forming sentences correctly when I try and explain to you how I'm feeling because it doesn't like I don't know I don't understand how to put into words the change that I'm feeling because I'm like I don't like something feels different and I can't tell you like why I feel different about that certain thing now, but I just feel different. I don't it's just like some like you said, something within you, and it's like you no longer like resonate with things around you, or and then as well because your values have changed, so it's yeah, or and sometimes I'm like, well, have my values changed, or they've just my description of the values have changed. I was also thinking about this the other day because like I think my top values are like health, connection, um, adventure, time. And I feel like they when I kind of reflect to my life, especially like the last maybe ten years or so, or like as an adult, I feel like they've always been, but just how I view them now are very different, especially like for example, health. Like five years ago I would not wouldn't have been really anything holistic. Like I would have just been doing the usual, but now I just have like this other greater understanding and awareness and what I my ha the habits that I have now that line with health are completely different to what I would have chosen even like three years ago.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say is like it it's it's it's a deeper awareness, I think, isn't it, as well? Like you view it differently because you you are aware, like so hyper aware. And I think you and I are both so deeply intuitive and self-aware. Um and you do, you start to you start to view things differently and it value things, maybe still value the same things, but yeah, like in a different way, or you're just more hyper-aware of it. I think let's talk about that because I think I was speaking to I've been speaking to clients about this recently, um, because I've got a client who is at the minute in with pretty much in between two identities, and I literally am getting messages every day being like Danny, who am I? Like old me would have done this, but today I've done this, and I'm like, This is awesome. And she's like, What is going on? And I'm like, just you've just got to roll it, like it's good, you know. But I think I've lost my train of thought. I think um with the whole self-awareness thing, like I think that in itself, like I know you and I have spoken about this before, it that can feel quite lonely. Like, I remember in school, and I remember saying this to you, like I I'd always felt different and I didn't know why. And it like it's not like I had loads of friends, like had all you guys had loads of friends, amazing family, but I just felt I felt different and I couldn't pick up on why. And I think when you're so deeply like you're you're you know, empaths, when you're so deeply intuitive and connected to yourself and energies, and you pick up on energies, like that. How the hell do you explain that? You don't understand it yourself at that age. Yeah, whereas now I think we both are very hyper-aware of energies and how we feel and how you know how the boundaries that we need on a day-to-day basis to be able to function as well as we we can. Yeah, like that's a big thing I think we both have discovered, like when we've had too much of whatever it may be, too much simulation, like when to hit pause and kind of recalibrate. Um because it's it's overwhelming when you're so sensitive sensitive to energies and things like that, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 43:49

Yeah, that's so true. And I think, yeah, like you say, like you're when you're younger, especially as a teenager, you don't really understand, like, oh my god, even now 35. sometimes I'm like I don't understand why I feel how I feel with this whole change thing or like like you were saying about your client earlier like I get that it's been a little bit less often but still happens fairly often with the whole like like say you get an again like alcohol I feel like is always the easiest decider like it's like you get asked to something and I value connection and whatever and I want to spend time with these people but I don't want to drink but then I feel like Leanne three four or five years ago would have wouldn't have ever thought about that. So like there's still part of me that's like trying to say yes to something but I'm like Leanne today I'm like but I don't want to do that but the other Leanne is like but you that this is what I'm I'm doing and then you're like oh my god it's you have an internal back thing yeah and it feels like a physical pool because and it's really difficult and I think like it's just the more that you kind of practice to say like to literally like you say like just tune into like feeling sorry saying yes when you mean yes and again it like like there is a lot of loneliness that comes with all of this but then you'll also I think what's more special about that is the connections that you do have actually become deeper. Oh my god they be like do you know so like you'll get loneliness from some things but there's some things that are gonna like grow so much with you like we've gone through this crazy growth thing weirdly at the same time together again like it's been like I think it's been like a year and a half since we both like started talking to like this is when the whole like everything was in sync yeah and that whole like literally for the last year and a half everything has been the exact same it's so it's like we've gone so so you will find like for people that do find it lonely there will be someone in your life that or you will meet someone in your life that's gone through the same thing. And it is a bit like vulnerable to bring it up and speak about it because one you don't really understand how to speak about it and sometimes when you start saying it to people they're like I don't understand like they don't understand.

SPEAKER_04 46:21

But again I think it's just that they've not been through it and it's not to say that that's they could maybe have some and not that you really need empathy I guess they could be like okay yeah you have changed because you're living a little bit different but just on that deeper emotional level trying to explain that is really difficult because it's like it is just a feeling and yeah when you have that when you're younger how do you navigate that like it's really you don't really know what's going on like you I was I wasn't aware of it and I think I think when you find the people who do get it you you feel really seen on like a soul level and I know that's so deep the nicest thing I think it's brought you and I so close like obviously we've been close before 12 but like you know like we've we've become we've gotten even closer in the last like year or so we've been going through the same thing and I've had um conversations like like I had conversations with so many women like when they first joined the team and actually just a recent client who joined saying that she she's not her old self but she's not her new self yet and like it again she's like and she said to me like when I saw your content about you talking about your identity shift and I listened to your podcast she was like I fully felt seen and I was like I'm so glad to hear that because not enough people will feel that feeling and this is why I'm also like talking about it because it it make it helps people understand and not feel alone you know um but it's it's so and just go for it.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Oh no you can I don't even know what I was gonna say I've lost a chance I just the only the only thing I I was just gonna say because when you said before about like the whole energy and when you're younger and always feeling different it's funny because I think it's weird that now 20 years later you've gone through this and you've probably I mean you've not been sitting thinking about that for 20 years but all of a sudden you're like oh I understand my younger self way better and like I probably feel the same always probably felt like different in some way or I think mine was like had like a not good enough kind of thing like when I look back on it and not that ever like it like with you like it didn't stop us like we've got a great group of friends and like we always have and things and but even just me as a child and I always remember like my mum and my dad family say as a child I was just so like now looking back on it I was obviously just really aware of people's energy like when I went first started at nursery I didn't talk to the teachers for like three months and then it was like one day because and my mum was like we'd always say it was like you you just have to like really like if you're not sure about people you have to really suss them out and then it's like once they've gained your trust then you're like okay now I can let you into my circle but I'm like was that like that's like an energy thing of being like I feel I'm unsure about this in some way. Yeah and I guess I've always been like that even like even sometimes now like I could go into a social situation and be absolutely fine and chat away and other times I'll go into situations and I'm like I'm like a lot more withdrawn not as like chatty and it is an energy thing it totally is and it's like trying to suss out your where you stand in that that can be really difficult.

SPEAKER_04 49:57

Yeah I I totally agree I think your nervous system knows and feels a certain amount of safety around certain people and when you feel that deep level of like safety around certain people you just are naturally more yourself and I think I'm the same around certain people I just naturally it's nothing that they're doing or anything it's just I'm naturally not as open or like my weird stupid self around them whereas some other people I'll literally be like jumping about and being an idiot but like and it's like it's I think it is like a it's an energy thing for sure and a nervous system safety thing and I think what I'm kind of going through at the minute is I think I'm close closest as close closest to the version of me as I've ever been but I feel like my my mind is there but my nervous system still hasn't caught up yet so yeah what I'm noticing is like it's like my body still feels a little bit of fear of like expansion almost and I can't again I can't explain it because it's a feeling but I feel it but in my head I'm like doing all these things that old me wouldn't have done but my body's like whoa you know so it's it's just yeah it's so it's so deep and it's so interesting but I I think it's just so I think self-awareness is genuinely and I've said this for ages the most powerful tool it really is because you especially when you're like growing your own business and like I can I'm like I'm sure I'm guessing that anybody in business goes through the same on some level kind of change surely because you actually learn so much about yourself like when you like and I'm sure you always will throughout business because like you've said before and yeah your business has changed like over the years and evolved with you and like I've only been like a year and a half not even and even now like there's things that I said yes to like eight months ago and I'm like I don't think that's actually the right thing for me and but you don't know that obviously until you you say yes and then you try it and then it's like you're trying to figure out like what actually does feel right for you and it's also really difficult because it's like you want to be able to grow and then when that does where when your path changes slightly where you currently are it's like okay well now I need to come away from there but I still want to grow but how do I grow if I'm not in that physical place or whatever which is like which is really difficult as well and that's where change comes into it because it's like well why how all of a sudden in like eight months have I changed already what my not so much my overall vision is still the same kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 52:54

I feel like it's it's kind of just adapted it's not necessarily changed like it's still very holistic but like I want to do and I feel like I've always wanted to do like more focused on um women's health and stuff for like that's naturally just always been in the back of my mind. But yeah I can't remember where I was going with this now. That's okay yes stop there.

SPEAKER_04 53:17

No no it's okay I saw you got something I'm gonna I was gonna say as well is like um I like have seen so many videos and podcasts on this about how growing a business is like the it's it's an identity thing a hundred percent like you learn so much about yourself as a person when you grow your own business like entrepreneurship is an identity yeah crisis like it's a big change you know like you go through so much on I on an identity level like to you know when you're an entrepreneur like you you you just become so self-aware and I'm a big believer and this is speaking from experience as well like your like your personal life and who you are as a person directly correlates with your business success and where you want to go and I think it's also a capacity thing as well and another thing I've learned is like if you don't have the capacity to hold a certain level of success or feel worthy of a certain level of success you'll never get there. Like it all comes down to deep subconscious beliefs and yeah again people will be like whoa that's fucking deep but it's so true like I I worked with you know I worked with um a mindset coach for quite some time and obviously I'm qualified for that as well myself now so I'm so aware but I went through so much change and so many sessions with her to basically break those old beliefs that I had about myself because they were holding me back in business and it's it's true like it comes from us as people like our success in business directly correlates to how we feel within ourselves our beliefs and also just our identity which I think is mad it's mad.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

And I definitely I definitely get that as well because that's something I definitely feel like that being worthy of success and like it's not even just financial success because success I don't think is it can't be solely financial. I mean for some people it would be but then you're not really growing from a place of like authenticity or like for me I feel like success is um I guess creating something that's bringing good change to people and like yeah part of success is financial for sure because like we all need we all need to live and like support ourselves um but also just feeling like you're putting out like your true message kind of thing and I think um it's also so yeah working on limiting beliefs is definitely a huge thing something I I am aware of and I know how to change or what those beliefs I need to change and it does it's not like every day they're in me but like you say it's like those they're quite deep rooted they're in your subconscious so maybe you're not consciously thinking of them but they are there and then trying to change that belief and like it's so difficult because yeah it's just it's like anything it's like you have to purposely you're like you're trying to make yourself believe something else that you don't actually currently believe is true. Yeah it's hard. It just messes with your mind and like then you get like you're like well no I need to believe this because I do want to be successful. So if I have these beliefs within me that stop me from getting there and then like you like you can't keep growing it's yeah it's the same vicious cycle.

SPEAKER_04 56:57

Yeah it's the same with like not even just from a business standpoint but with anything then I speak about this with clients like even from like say if you've got like a weight loss or a fitness goal if you don't believe that you can get there or that you're worthy of it or you don't feel good enough to get it you're not gonna get it and that's where like self-sabotage comes in the form of like emotional eating or whatever it may be and that's all cor like all correlates to your subconscious beliefs like your your your past beliefs and and I do some of this work with clients not all of them um because it's obviously you know you have to be open to doing it but I do integrate like these kind of things into coaching because it's so it's so important but just what just going back to what you were saying about success it's interesting you said that because my definition of success has changed as well like over the years and I think yeah massively like obviously when I when I had built started building the business if we go back to like 2023 when I was like I moved online 2020 and I was like traveling the world 2023 like pissing money away like for me success was always about earning more and always about creating more impact like that has never changed but for me it was about impact money freedom right whereas now it's still about impact that's always been number one for me like having an impact on people but also fulfillment for me like money comes into it still but not I don't have a certain not solely yeah I'm not driven by oh I want to earn X amount you know like it's more do I have enough to pay the bills do I have enough to live a like a fulfilling life like for me it's about success for me is like having an impact and doing work like you said that is meaningful and is authentic and in line with who you are but also living life living a really full life like if if I'm living a full life and I'm really content that needs like success do you know yeah oh yeah definitely and yeah it's funny that you say that's changed because definitely when I for going into business like the fact of having like freedom around it's funny that it's like having freedom around my own work schedule but literally for the last year and a half I've worked like pretty much six days a week and there's not been a lot of freedom at the moment but that's okay it will come.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

It will but like just having freedom around that and obviously at the time it was like weighing up like if I do this this is and then money came into that a lot but then obviously I like to grow a business is again with that huge financial you yeah I've put everything into like growing to where I am now and to keep growing and there's literally it's like every single dollar that comes in goes out and it's mentally it's that can be really difficult but it's also made me realise like you were just saying it's like I like how you said it's fulfillment because it's made me realise like how much money I I don't need to live. Yeah like I have enough money to that like I've got home I can feed myself like I have a couple of like I have a nice gym that I go to like I've got a couple of things that they're really all like there's people that have a lot less than that. So yeah it's just made me view money in a completely different way and also made me it's kind of like I don't want to say like I regret it but just it has made me look back on like times where I've earned like probably four or five times what I've earned in the past year. And I'm like ew why why did I just complete like you were just saying you just completely blew it all like you have but you don't know when you've not had that much money before you don't know how like you've said I spoke about four like you don't know how to hold it you don't know like even like I'm saying going into business and just not being aware of like how much money do I keep for tax and forgetting all these things that you don't ever really have to think of. So like it's a really eye-opening thing to look at money and like you know and see like I remember I'd done like a when I was studying I done like a little like assessment thing of my income in guns and outbones and then when I seen it I was like oh my god Leanne you were literally just like I get paid fortnightly here from nursing and I'm like you always see your skin but when I looked at what I was spending on just like stuff that I don't need like it's so like yeah so I love that it's like more fulfillment because it's so true how you feel within yourself and then yeah for the past year and a half I've never earned so little in all my life but like knowing that you're also creating something that feels true for you and yeah like you're saying that impact have an impact on people and knowing that you're gonna help people you just have to keep that as your as because you're helping yourself as well aren't you because you're like the things that you teach your client are all things that you do within you so you know that they make you feel good and they make you healthy and they make you happy so like that's the best way to coach people is because you're already on that journey.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:13

Yeah a hundred percent just what you were saying there about the money thing like obviously I am exact same because we're just the same person but like I I like like much that you were saying like in like I am earning less now than I was in 2023 because I had to rebuild both myself and obviously the business because I changed direction of the business and I changed a lot within the business and you know had staff let go of the staff like so much changed and and I had a lot of obviously a lot of stuff going on in my personal life but my yeah I I feel I think back then when I was in obviously a different place financially within the business but also not happy in my personal life like I had a lot more money but I wasn't I wasn't happy whereas now I'm earning less but I'm a lot happier and it's yeah it's interesting because like I obviously I think having more money does make you happy to an extent of course it does make you spend really and go places but like yeah I think it's interesting how how that changes as we are in different stages of our lives do you know like I just think it's so interesting and I was like I was so naive in 2023 oh my god I was like I don't know how to hold this amount of money like nobody teaches you that like yeah I was like my business grew at the speed of light and I was like I don't know how to how to hold this you know so I'm just gonna spin um but now I'm obviously a lot more sensible and I'm just yeah I'm I'm happier overall and I think it comes with like the self-awareness stuff as well of being like is it because we've become we've kind of like grown on that deeper deeper level and become more self-aware and more acceptant of ourselves because I bet like I actually was also I wrote down this question but um it was like do you think that growth changes who you are or it just reveals who you've always been so it's like I don't know isn't that a good question and that's so it's really I don't know I feel like it's really difficult to because sometimes I feel like such a different person but then sometimes I'm like I know that how I feel now that's I feel like it's always been a part of me in some way shape or form that is like such a interesting but then maybe you're right maybe it's because we've never really been as self-aware so how would we how would we have known that in the past I would like so yeah like is that is it's like have we just yeah is and with money and things have we just changed our perception and view of money or like and just what success is that changed because we've grown or or is that is that just been like because we've found out that actually that didn't really make yeah I don't know it's it's a such a good question I know and it's so hard to think about because like even if you like I said like before my I don't think my core values have really changed too much.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:32

Like I've never I've only like dug into this over the last couple of years but if I look back over like my adult life and try to reflect of like what I chose to do with my time I'd say they're all very similar. Yeah but they've just adapted and what they actually mean. So I guess that would be like well yeah it's just revealing who you've always been so interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:55

I love these kind of questions. Was that from a podcast?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:59

Uh it was from Chat GPT.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Oh, was it? I instantly thought it was it Chris Wills because I know about how much you love Chris Wills.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:06

Oh my god, Chris Williamson, yeah. Yeah, oh my god, I'd love that. But he does like oh every like he is well and truly in my algorithm now as well on Instagram because every time I open Instagram, the first thing that comes up will be like one of his clips where it's like from a podcast. But he talks about the what really hit me was like um I listened to one of his recently and I sent you it and it was like um about how suc business like success and growth no one talks about the loneliness that comes with it and like that really difficult side of things, like it's like oh like I've grown and I've achieved this and you know like they celebrate all the wins, but like to be honest, I think that's on the that's a much smaller part of it compared to the loneliness that you you can really feel. Um I love how he talks about those things, like he's so oh my god, you feel so sane, so seen.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:07

Oh, it's so nice. Like he he pops up on my feed, I think, more now, too, because our phones hear us talking about it in over voice though, but he I love how he's so like open and vulnerable about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:19

Yeah, there's been so many things he explains, and it's like mic drop.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:24

So refreshing.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:25

I've never I didn't like it's like I don't even understand myself until he said these things.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:29

Can you tell people what you remember you voice and me asking about? Was it like a question or something that was like a big three people you'd invite to dinner or something? What was it?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:38

Oh yeah, so yeah, it was. I was away last week, and um yeah, it was the question was if you could invite like three people because I've heard this on podcasts before, it's a similar, I don't think it's exactly the same. The question was meant to be if you could so I think the original question was if you could pick one person, dead or alive, to like meet and have a conversation with, who would it be? And then um I changed it because then I was like, oh, that's like that's a bit too broad. I don't know, that just feels like overwhelming to choose one person. So yeah, like three people that what three people would you invite to have dinner with? And my minor so minor Chris Williamson, obviously, can't be surprised by that because he just spoke about him, Jennifer Aniston and Danny. Because I was like, I am I'm not gonna have dinner with Chris Williamson, and Danny's not gonna be there because the conversation that we would have like it's like the conversation that you and I have, but I think I think this would be like on speed. I feel like it would be like oh a whole other dimension. But oh, maybe I need to. Oh, it was so funny when you said that makeup. Do we even think we're makeup four? I know I've I've slid into some people's DMs before about these things, and then when they don't repl not this thing ex exactly, but like I've messaged people before and they don't reply, and I feel a little bit like conflated.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:12

Remember it yours years ago. I think we've had a drink, we definitely had a drink, in fact, and for some reason I messaged James Smith, or you messaged James Smith on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:21

No, I think that was you, but I sent uh I tried to send a Snapchat to Calvin Harris like 15 years ago. Obviously, I was a bit drunk.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:30

But then why did I why did I message James Smith? Was it was that not at yours? Remember you said, or was it Oh no?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:39

It wasn't me though, was it?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:40

No, maybe it was me. I can't remember, but yeah, I remember the Calvin Harris one. That's so funny. Oh I think I've messaged James Smith as well though, before because I'm sure that happened, but no, I think I think yeah, I remember the Calvin Harris thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:53

That was at your yeah, and I was like woke up the next morning, you know, when you're like when Snapchat was a thing, and um, yeah, I was like, hmm, that's weird. I've sent it I've tried to send a Snapchat to Calvin Harris because I think there's a way like if you followed them, it was as though like when you're I wonder if you ever opened that, God knows what it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:10

I don't even remember, but that was so funny. But yeah, I'm sure I've um I messaged James Smith and I can't remember. I'm sure I did, or one of us did, or somebody in the group did, and then yeah, we've done it multiple times, but that is yes, so funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:23

Yeah, I think I've done it a few times. It's like oh yeah, just silly behavior. But I was gonna say there like if I was allowed to like add a fourth person to that, then it would, but then no, because I feel like that chat would go a bit too deep. Because Jennifer Anna, Joe Dispenser, yeah, Joe Dispenser, yeah, obsessed with him, literally. Like his voice is just there's some some it doesn't he doesn't even need to be talking in a meditation, he just needs to be talking, and I'm like I am yeah, I'm like so hypnosis, yeah. I'm like I also I feel like I know him because I listened to his voice so much, and I don't like when you sent that um clip of the film that's coming out, which can't like that's all about energy and stuff, and as soon as he started talking in that, I was like, it's like I just was about to get thrown into meditation, but he's just advertising this film. I'm like, Leanne, you don't need to like shut your eyes and go into a dark room.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:24

I'd love to have a conversation with him, like he is such a yeah, it's such an incredible man. I love listening to his voice, they proper put me in a trance. But who would your three be?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:36

You never told me your three.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:37

Oh my god, I actually don't know. I really don't know. Like, I need to think about that because that is it's so hard. Um, let me come back to you. I am not giving something on the spot, but it's so hard.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:50

I know, Sam. Neither am I. That's why I'd like at the time because like Jennifer Aniston, I just love her. I think oh, she is like an absolute queen.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:59

Icon.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:00

Yep, love her also, and I just think she would be such a great friend to have.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:05

Yeah, oh I agree. I I agree. Oh, no, I do. I don't know. Let me have a think of it and come back to you because I yeah, I think that's so hard. But I think you're you're people there, and I'm so honoured that I was one of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:18

Um I know, I was just like, I can't not, because like I mean, if you had dinner with Chris Williamson and didn't invite me, I would I think that would be the end of our friendship, to be honest. No, I would invite you. I'd invite it. And I was just like, yeah, it's like the fact that it's again, I think it's just because we have all these kind of chats and conversations, and then to have that on like a whole other level, and it just goes back to that like forming people around you that kind of get it and understand it. So yeah, to have that obviously I don't know the likelihood of this dinner happening, but never say never, let's manifest it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:00

Never say never at all.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

One day, I'm really excited for it anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:06

Me too. Oh, thank you so much for coming on. You've been amazing. It's been I don't know if we're gonna have to split it into two parts or not. I don't know how long we've been speaking for, but it's been so good, and I think you've been the perfect first guest. I've absolutely loved having you on.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:22

Um, it's been good, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:25

No, thank you. I think it's so nice for people to because I do get a lot of messages for people who listen to the podcast. Like, I think it's nice for people to to hear and listen and just feel seen and reassured that they're not alone if they are feeling this way, and especially you know, people who like us who are so ambitious and you know they're going through a lot of change and things. But where can where can people find you on Instagram?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:52

Well, my um like business one is Revolve Movement and then number eight. Um I'll tag you my handle. Yeah, you can tag me and um yeah, so that's the best place. I don't have a personal one, but I've not posted on there for like a year and a half, so no, that's I feel like that's the best place to tag me in. Um because like going into the solicit health stuff, it's all like a bit of the like the next step in business, like it was always gonna be that way, but it's become like I feel like I'm becoming more and more invested in that than or learning and growing there. So yeah, I guess if anybody has any questions around that, they can always ask me. But yeah, I hope this makes people feel better about change or that whole confusion around just like like it is normal to feel how you're feeling if you are going through that same or similar like phase in your life. So I hope it helps people.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:47

I'm sure it will. Just before we go as well, I want to say to people like Leanne's, um Leanne's been helping me with some like with your holistic lifestyle coaching stuff because I've I've funny because I've given you a training plan, so you've got your training plan, and then you in turn have been giving me some stuff to work on like holistically, um, which is so nice because I am a big believer, like we can never we can never know everything, we can never stop learning, and there's like so much stuff that you know that I don't, and vice versa, and I just feel like we can learn from each other. So it's been amazing. Like, we had a call last week where you um like I had to fill out questionnaires for you, and you gave me like so much insight into things that I can um work on both from like a nutrition perspective and like digestion and like breathing stuff, like so much stuff that I like I just I find it's so beneficial to hear and have a fresh perspective on. Um yeah, I wanted to highlight like it's so interesting to have those conversations with you. So, yeah, if anyone else has any questions for Leanne, I know she won't mind you dropping her message. So thanks.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:52

Yeah, anytime. Thank you so much. This is my first ever podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:56

Oh, yeah, I'm so honored. Okay, thanks for listening. Bye.