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Locked Out After Being Locked Up
Housing is an extra challenge for hundreds of thousands of people, who are released from prison every year in the U.S., millions more leave local jails. The barriers they face are enormous. But some communities are working to expand access and increase supply. How are they doing it?
Interview guests: Aisha Balogun, special project associate NYU’s Housing Solutions Lab; Tom Luettke, reentry coordinator Criminal Justice Coordinating Council Lucas County, Ohio; Kari Benz, director for human services Minnehaha and Lincoln Counties, South Dakota; Trina Jackson, director of Hamilton County Office of Reentry; David Fulcher, former Cincinnati Bengals player and creator of the MANA prison ministry program.
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Ann Thompson:
Every year about 18-thousand Ohioans are released from state prison. Thousands more leave county jails. It's important to have a housing plan.
David Fulcher:
Housing would make a huge difference because getting a job, you have to fill out the application and you gotta put an address down. But when you finish work, where are you going?
Ann Thompson
Formerly incarcerated people are ten times more likely to be homeless. Nationally, more than 40-thousand people left a correctional facility in 2021 wand went directly to a homeless shelter.
Aisha Balogun:
There's a broad overlap of people who have experienced homelessness and have experienced some interaction with the criminal justice system.
Ann Thompson:
Housing insecurity can also increase the risk of rearrest and disproportionately impacts people of color.
Nate Miller:
You need somewhere to lay your head at because if you ain't got nowhere to lay your head at you’re running right back to the people, places and the things that you got you here in the first place.
Ann Thompson:
It's a vicious cycle. Help from correctional facilities and communities can be limited. Some cities want to do a better job. Toledo has an idea and is part of a national pilot program.
Tom Luettke:
The master leasing model, which is shared housing. Each person would have a locked bedroom so they have their own space. They would share common space in the house.
Ann Thompson:
The Housing Solutions Lab says there's reason to be optimistic. It points to that and other models of increased housing specifically for recently released inmates. Among them, Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
Kari Benz:
This was meant to be a demonstration project and I'll say it just blew up.
Ann Thompson:
On this episode. We look at the need, the importance of collaboration and how communities in our region and beyond are creating more housing for people impacted by the justice system. Let's get into it. This is Brick by Brick: Solutions for a thriving community.
Ame Clase:
Brick by Brick is made possible thanks to leading support from AES Ohio Foundation, Greater Cincinnati Foundation and George and Margaret McLane Foundation, with additional support from Laurie F. Johnston, Murray and Agnes Seasongood Good Government Foundation, The Robert & Adelle Schiff Family Foundation, and more. Thank you.
Ann Thompson:
Hello and welcome to Brick by Brick, where we're highlighting solutions for a thriving community in southwest Ohio. I'm your host Ann Thompson. Let's talk numbers for a minute. Every year more than 600,000 people in the US are released from state and federal prisons, another 9 million from local jails. That's a lot of people who need housing. In Ohio it's 18,000 from state prisons annually and another 75,000 released from county jails, according to a 2024 reentry report by the Ohio Supreme Court. There are even higher numbers. The Prison Policy Initiative lumps people who have spent even as little as one night behind bars that category to come up with 400,000 inmates leaving jail in Ohio every year. Simply having jail time attached to your record, regardless of the length of the sentence creates barriers and especially for housing. And since there's already a shortage of housing, the problem is exacerbated. Let's hear from the inmates themselves. Brick by bricks, Hernz Laguerre Jr. visited a local jail. Its reentry program helps incarcerated individuals find work and get their life on track, but the program director shares that without housing, the efforts for the formerly incarcerated individuals might get derailed.
David Fulcher:
Alright. All right. Alright, everybody find a seat.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Inmates enter the MANA program at the Hamilton County Jail in Cincinnati.
Nat sound of the jail:
Hey man, good to see you, brother.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
MANA stands for Mentoring Against Negative Actions. It's a prison ministry run by former Bengal Safety David Fulcher and his wife Judy. David started the prison ministry back in 2002 in collaboration with local prisons’ GED programs. He has helped countless individuals get their lives back on track.
David Fulcher:
And most of these guys are really smart. I think some of these guys are probably smarter than me, but I think that the difference between me and them is the choice. All I do is try to put 'em on the track of making better choices when they get out.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Travis Jewell was recently released from the Butler County Jail where he was serving time for a substance abuse related offense. David said Travis really absorbed the teachings of the MANA program and was eager to give his life a new start.
David Fulcher:
Travis texted me five minutes after he got out. Not everybody does that. He said, yep, I'm walking out. My girls come to pick me up man, and I'm on my way home, but I wanted to let you know I was out and I'm ready to work.
Travis Jewell:
I called David, I called him probably twice a day for three months. He was a big part of my recovery when I was incarcerated as well.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
How long did it take you to get a job after you left jail?
Travis Jewell:
About two months the time I actually got situated, got everything under control, my living arrangements and then transportation of where we could work and so forth.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Since being released from jail in December of 2024, he has remained clean, graduated with his GED, works as an equipment operator for a local company and even plans on marrying his longtime girlfriend this summer. But there was one essential thing that made his second chance at life possible. Did you know where you were going to stay after you left jail?
Travis Jewell:
Yes.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
What options did you have?
Travis Jewell:
Either here or in the streets.
Trina Jackson:
People that we have worked with have stable housing, their employment history is much.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
That's Trina Jackson, director of the Hamilton County Office of Reentry. The organization helps returning citizens get the essentials they need to thrive. Trina says one of the core basic elements those individuals need is housing.
Trina Jackson:
It's very difficult to even move on to something at a little bit higher level like employment if they're not sure where they're going to lay their head.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Do you think there is a clear path to housing for formerly incarcerated individuals?
Trina Jackson:
I don't think there's a clear path because there's the stigma that's associated with incarceration. When someone runs your background, they're going to see you. You were incarcerated then you're denied housing because of your background, and so that whole stigma just kind of goes along with you. You're carrying it through your lifetime.
David Fulcher:
We got to understand what society is asking these guys to do. They're asking them to be Superman without a cape.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Lucky for Travis, his soon-to-be wife supported him and allowed him to come home. What do you think would've happened if you didn't have a place to stay?
Travis Jewell:
I'd probably be dead by now or back in jail.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
The Office of Reentry is looking to create opportunities for those that don't have a solid support system when they are released.
Trina Jackson:
So we are in the process now of working with one of our housing partners, a landlord. She actually purchased a property. Her name is Dr. Hamilton, Bennyce Hamilton, and she is in the process of applying for a grant to cover the rehab costs and those units will be available to our clients
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
And more opportunities like that are needed for individuals such as the ones in David’s MANA program.
David Fulcher:
How many of us, if we were released a day, have a place to stay? Okay, very iffy
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
About three individuals raise their hand in a room of 15. Here's some of the inmates. Share how having a place to live would help them.
Travis Jewell:
That's going to give you more time to focus on getting a job, more time to focus on getting transportation and working in other areas of your life.
Nate Miller and others:
You need somewhere to lay your head at because if you ain't got nowhere to lay at you, running right back to the people places and the things that got us here in the first place.
A solid foundation.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
And the solid foundation starts with housing.
Travis Jewell:
We all have a past. Whether it haunts us or not doesn't mean that you have to shun us away from a second chance. How do you know who I am? If you don't give me a chance.
Ann Thompson:
Thanks for that. Hernz. You reported how one of the landlord partners purchased a property that she hopes to open up to individuals, including the people that work with the Office of Reentry.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Yes. Dr. Bennyce Hamilton. She's a landlord that just purchased some recent property, but she's waiting on a funding in order to open the space to individuals that work with the Office of Reentry. The place has four units and it's going to take 30 to 60 days until it's open. But yes, they just have to wait for that ARPA funding in order to make it possible.
Ann Thompson:
That's good news. Well, are there any other plans to do more of these kinds of developments?
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Yeah, Trina Jackson shared with me that she wants to do more of this. She wants to partner with more landlords, but it does take some time for landlords to feel comfortable with the idea of housing to formerly incarcerated individuals. But I think addressing that stigma and addressing the concerns that they have is the first step to see whether these folks can become partners.
Ann Thompson:
Thanks for that Hernz. We'll talk to you later in the takeaways.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
I look forward to it.
Ann Thompson:
The Housing Solutions lab at New York University's Furman Center and the Center for Justice Innovation took a deep dive into the difficulties and possible solutions with the 2024 report called Housing is Justice. It points to these barriers, some of which Hearns just told you about, the challenge of applying for housing while still incarcerated on stable finances due to missed work and fines and fees and private landlords screening out tenants with criminal records. Aisha Balogun is a special project associate with the Housing Solutions Lab.
Aisha Balogun:
A lot of tenant screening processes look for criminal justice history and some, including some publicly funded housing projects will not house people with specific criminal justice backgrounds or specific criminal justice histories.
Ann Thompson:
Some public housing authorities consider criminal histories as far back as 20 years. The Cincinnati Metropolitan Housing Authority says potential residents have to be out of jail for at least three years before they can live in public housing. Greater Dayton Premier Management cites a HUD policy on its website saying it can deny admission to certain applicants with unfavorable criminal histories. And if you don't have housing lined up upon release, what do you do? An estimate of 40,000 US former inmates released into homelessness in 2021 is believed to be widely undercounted since it doesn't consider unsheltered homelessness. Bein says agencies trying to help are often stymied because they don't have accurate release data from the criminal justice system.
Aisha Balogun:
Just because you have a list of names and personal information on both sides doesn't necessarily mean that the actual formats and the actual data quality between these two different sectors will match up easy or in an easy fashion.
Ann Thompson:
If systems are to match up, one person might have to spend hours doing it. But despite all these barriers, agencies are doing the best they can to help. Recently released inmates find housing. You heard Hernz mention Hamilton County's office of Reentry. At the one-Stop resource center in the jail lobby, 50% of inmates on their final Friday are looking for housing. This concern is seen in Judge Terry Nestor’s Common Pleas courtroom.
Prosecutor:
Judge, the state is concerned that Mr. (inaudible) doesn't have stable housing.
Judge Terry Nestor:
If you can visit the reentry program today in the Justice Center in the jail, it's on the first floor. It goes from 10 till two where they have a variety of different programs for housing addiction and for mental health issues.
Ann Thompson:
That program has helped hundreds of people. Here's something else. Cincinnati St. Vincent DePaul has a list of felon friendly landlords in addition to supportive community services and felon friendly employers, many surrounding counties have reentry courts, which also provide a variety of services, including help with housing in all. Ohio has 10 certified reentry specialty dockets and 63 counties covered by reentry coalitions which support the efforts of the court programs in the city of Hamilton, Ohio Municipal Court Judge Dan Meyer holds an empowerment docket. On the second Wednesday of every month, an average of 20 people charged with minor crimes show up to this court appearance and leave with housing vouchers, food plans for drug and mental health treatment assistance and more. Since 2012, Dayton Federal Court has been helping former inmates get back on their feet. Five years in US Magistrate Michael Newman called the Reentry Court, one of the best in the nation alongside Minneapolis. It also offers housing help and assistance with driver's license reinstatement, health insurance, parenting classes and more. Last year, the state of Ohio passed a law which empowers inmates leaving prison to find housing Radio station WYSO interviewed Sean Mitchell, the returning citizen coordinator at Sinclair Community College
Sean Mitchell:
House Bill 50 is what they call A CQH or certificate for qualification for housing, which would ultimately state that as a system impacted individual, I am no longer the person of my past, therefore I've gone through this process. So you as a landlord, if you end up renting to me and then if I go and commit another crime that caused some issue to my neighbor who you also rent to, they can't sue you within a civil court and claim that because you knowingly rented to me that you are now negligent and a party to this and therefore have some sort of responsibility. So it takes that negligence and responsibility off of the landlord.
Ann Thompson:
The Columbus Metropolitan Housing Authority says it is immediately committed to accepting these certificates of qualification for housing, but the Cincinnati Metropolitan Housing Authority is not, maintaining you have to be out of prison for at least three years. As we mentioned earlier, Ohio Courts say there are both internal and external support services for justice involved individuals within correctional facilities and halfway houses nationwide. Change is happening as the Housing Solutions Lab and the Center for Justice Innovation discovered preparing their housing as Justice report. They list dozens of efforts to help former inmates find housing and some creating housing specifically for this population. One thing is for sure if overall change is going to happen. Aisha Balogun says, all parties must be at the table.
Aisha Balogun:
And one thing that I want to highlight there in building political will is the importance of engaging people with lived experience in the formation of solutions and the importance of making sure that their voices are at the table and are kind of the main, one of the main folks advocating for these types of solutions.
Ann Thompson:
Coming up on Brick by Brick, we highlight just a few of the most innovative housing solutions for justice impacted people.
Kari Benz:
The clients feel heard, which is a big shift for many communities, including ours.
Ann Thompson:
That's ahead on Brick by Brick.
Ame Clase:
Brick by Brick is made possible thanks to the generous support of so many, including Diane and Dave Moccia, P & G, The Camden Foundation, The Stephen H. Wilder Foundation, Rosmary & Mark Schlachter, a donation in memory of Frank and Margaret Linhardt, The A. T. Folger Jr. Lowe Simpson Fund and more. Thank you. We couldn't do this work without you.
Mark Lammers:
Hey, we all have a different story even if we grew up in the same neighborhood or city, especially if we're talking about housing stories. Hi, my name is Mark Lammers, executive producer for Brick by Brick. Growing up, I lived on the west side of Cincinnati in a single family home, but I've also experienced apartment life in good and bad settings in a number of different cities. I learned a lot from those times in my life and from my journey as a whole. Now we want to hear about your housing story. That's the new audience question that's live on our show pages at thinktv.org and cetconnect.org. Log in and hit the green button to share your journey and what you learned from it. We hope to share some of your experiences and lessons as we move forward on Brick by Brick so we can all get smarter together. Thanks.
Ann Thompson:
Welcome back to Brick By Brick. For its study, the Housing Solutions Lab and the Center for Justice Innovation did an online survey, conducted 32 in-depth interviews and scanned more than 50 programs to find out how housing agencies and criminal justice systems are working together. You can find a link to the report at cetconnect.org and thinktv.org. They also take cities under their wing. According to Aisha Balogun.
Aisha Balogun:
We really were looking for cities that are interested in fostering these collaborations, but may not have the time or the infrastructure or the framework to understand how these separate agencies can piece together their efforts to make a collaborative program or embark on some sort of collaborative policymaking.
Ann Thompson:
Toledo was recently chosen to be part of this 16 month housing justice peer network program. Tom Luettke is reentry coordinator at the Criminal Justice Coordinating Council in Lucas County. Anthem Blue Cross gave his agency more than a hundred thousand dollars to start a master leasing program. What is that? It's a renovated house where the landlord holds the lease and would move about four recently released inmates into their own bedroom. They would share a common space with other justice impacted tenants. Luettke is still figuring out the particulars.
Tom Luettke:
Maybe have two months free rent because they're not working, but it gives 'em a stable place to live to go job search. If they need help getting documents, the case manager that is going to be connected to that house, we'll be able to help with that and get 'em to a point where they're working, they're saving money, and then ultimately being able to put a down payment on a house or apartment of their own.
Ann Thompson:
Luettke is trying to put together additional funding to get the program off the ground in multiple houses. It lost a federal grant. He says it's a model that could help any number of people.
Tom Luettke:
So we're hoping that this master leasing model might be an off ramp at the start of the homelessness system. It'll help alleviate the stress on the shelters, but also provide opportunities for people that are ready to be rapidly rehoused. Maybe to move into a master leasing model.
Ann Thompson:
Toledo was no stranger to helping former inmates. A couple of years ago, a 45-unit apartment building opened focused on unhoused people with criminal histories. In addition, the county has what Luettke calls extremely robust criminal justice data, connecting 140 law enforcement agencies, jails, and courts into one network with integrated applications. This can help coordinate housing and through a diversion program being studied by Harvard, Toledo has reduced its jail population by 40% in 10 years. The Housing is Justice Report focuses on a number of successful programs to increase housing for recently released inmates. One is a home sharing model in California. It partners with homeowners who are willing to rent spare bedrooms to people returning from a long incarceration. In New York, there's a similar program for households welcoming back family members in this situation. The Urban Institute teamed with local communities including Sioux Falls, South Dakota, to acquire or develop new housing using funds from the MacArthur Foundation. Minnehaha County is showing early Signs of success, director for Human Services Kari Benz. Welcome to Brick by Brick.
Kari Benz:
Thanks so much. I'm excited to be here. It was exciting to get the invite, so thank you.
Ann Thompson:
So what is the housing need in Sioux Falls for people just getting out of prison? I know a large part of the population you serve is Native American.
Kari Benz:
Correct. Yeah. I think one of the biggest challenges that those that have been impacted by the criminal justice system is finding housing and the opportunity to live in a space just like you and me. It's not only needs to be affordable, it needs to be safe, and oftentimes needs to be situated in a location that is easy access to all the other things that we sometimes take for granted. So close to grocery stores, shopping, easy access to bus because most often many of these individuals don't have an automobile, so they're riding bike. So much of it is really just taking those opportunities to work with landlords to say, give them a chance.
Ann Thompson:
Yeah. Well, how have you served them over the years and help them find housing and then how are you working with the Urban Institute and the MacArthur Foundation to provide additional services?
Kari Benz:
I think over the course of time, us along with many of our partners in the community have really worked at gaining trust from the landlords and saying, listen, if you're willing to give 'em a shot, we'll walk alongside of you. So I think that in the past we've struggled because we just didn't have some of those relationships. So we've made a very concerted effort at building that trust with the landlords. I think that's a huge component. And so by us engaging with MacArthur and Urban, what it really allowed us to do is to work on building those relationships and then being able to access funds. We were fortunate enough to get some funds that came in through our Sioux Falls Housing Authority and it was PRI dollars, which is kind of its investment dollars that agencies or businesses can get access to that are basically, they're like low interest loans and it allows them to purchase rehab, do the things that they need to do to be able to provide a new type of housing or a different type of housing for these individuals. So they came alongside of us. We were able to use their funds to create our program, which they named it. It's called Just Home. It started out as a demonstration project and for us just took off. It just ignited in the community, and so we have great partners, and so this really offered us the chance to look at housing a whole lot different.
Ann Thompson:
That's great. So for those of us outside the community, what kind of housing was created?
Kari Benz:
So with the PRI money, the investment dollars, we had agencies that came in and we have expanded some apartments called Glory House Apartments. Glory House also has an inpatient or residential program for those that are being released. They can come into the Glory House work on kind of mindset and structure, getting their life back on track, oftentimes recovery from addiction issues, sometimes getting mental health care, and they were able to expand their number of apartments by another 51 units, which was outstanding. And then we also had another partner who actually purchased an apartment building rehab that, and then we worked with Sioux Falls housing to get vouchers that allows people to only pay 30% of their income to be able to rent these units. And then it also allowed her to purchase a number of homes that she's also rehabbed. And so now we have units that are available for families. And so it just really cast a larger net for people who are challenged to find the right type of housing where they need the support and then the access.
Ann Thompson:
I'm wondering if other communities can duplicate your model even if they aren't a part of the MacArthur Foundation model.
Kari Benz:
Absolutely. When we started and began the journey with MacArthur and Urban for Just Home, that was really one of our goals that we kept in mind is how do we make this so it can be replicated elsewhere? It certainly can be. I think probably the biggest pieces that a community needs to have is willing partners to be able to come together to look at how do we do this together? It can't be just one agency or one person's agenda. It also needs to be somebody that never say never. I think that's one of our biggest takeaways is that so often I think we look at something and we get something in mind and then we kind of close our mind to other offers or suggestions when in fact, really all that does is close off opportunity. When we best invest, we actually are investing in the very people that make up our community. And so when we do that, we offer opportunity for change. And really I think it becomes more of a societal norm to be accepting rather than excommunicating people when in fact they're incredibly talented individuals.
Ann Thompson:
Carrie Bens, thanks for being on Brick by Brick.
Kari Benz:
Thanks so much for the invite.
Ann Thompson:
A few other notes about the Sioux Falls Just Home program. In about a month, they'll release a report on how well it's working. There have been more than 180 referrals. The next challenge may be to expand the program to those identified as sex offenders who will require increased awareness and collaboration in the community.
We want to hear from you as Brick By Brick develops more episodes and looks to season number two. Go to our website cetconnect.org and thinktv.org where there's a big green button to give feedback on the website. You'll also find web articles if you want to dig deeper into this topic and others. You can also see the TV docuseries we've done and video extras. We're joined once again by Brick by Brick’s Hernz Laguerre Jr.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Hello,
Ann Thompson:
And we welcome Emiko Moore to the microphone.
Emiko Moore:
Hello
Ann Thompson:
It's time for takeaways.
Emiko Moore:
Well, first of all, I loved listening to Hernz’s full interview with the former Bengal Safety, Dave Fulcher. And just so people know, I worked with him previously on community conversations and I just appreciate him and his wife, Judy, who want to guide and coach people into making better choices in prisons. He mentioned that a lot of times we expect these people to come out of jail and be like Superman, but without the cape. And I thought that was just such an interesting analogy. If you've spent time incarcerated, you probably don't have a lot of connections or understand what's going on in real estate or the job market. And so you really need some support and skills and tools to navigate life outside of those prison walls. As I was listening to the podcast, I kept thinking of the word scaffolding that just a lot of scaffolding and support is probably going to be needed for people as they're just rebuilding their life and getting it in the right direction. And housing is so fundamental for successful reentry because it's really hard to look for a job if you don't have a house.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
And that's similar to the conversation I had with Trina Jackson, the director at the Hamilton County Office of Reentry. And Trina was telling me that depending on the substance abuse you went to jail for, there may be additional barriers to housing. And so I asked her, Hey, what are those folks expected to do? And she told me, that's a good question. There really isn't an answer to that. And I think that's the crux of what I'm getting at, right? Is what do we expect certain folks to do if they want to rebuild their lives? And I think if we don't get past the stigma of incarcerated individuals and if we don't address it, then these folks will end up right back in the jail cells because they don't have any access to housing. And I think it'll just be an ongoing cycle. So that's something that we need to consider.
Emiko Moore:
It does seem like there needs to be some kind of bridge there, because on the flip side, I can certainly understand the concerns of potential landlords because safety and trust are just valid concerns when you're renting out your property.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Yeah, that makes sense. And maybe entities like the Office of Reentry could act as a vetting system, you know what I mean? So that landlords could feel comfortable and that formerly incarcerated individuals who want to get their lives back on track have housing.
Ann Thompson:
Sioux Falls realized the importance of working with landlords to get more housing for people who are leaving jail and prison, but they did something else. They used investment dollars to help pay for a 51 unit expansion to Glory House, which is permanent housing with on-campus access to mental health and addiction and recovery services. And that money was also used to help rehab a 10 unit apartment building called St. Francis House. And all these tenants work with case managers to keep their lives on track for people at Glory House who are further ahead in their reentry just home. The program pays the first month's rent and renter's insurance for a year, and also for any damages, there's a fund to the apartment. And then those living at St. Francis who are still getting connected with counselors just home helps them secure housing vouchers. So the importance here, according to the Director for Human Services, Kari Benz, is a community needs to have willing partners come together. It can't just be one agency or one person's agenda, and it needs to be somebody that never says never, and also somebody involved who has gone through this journey.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
Yeah, that sounds pretty good.
Ann Thompson:
Well, that's what we think, but we want you to be part of this solution conversation. You can share your thoughts via our webpage or by emailing Brick by Brick at publicmediaconnect.org. Thanks guys.
Hernz Laguerre Jr.:
No problem.
Emiko Moore:
Thank you.
Ann Thompson:
Coming up in the next episode of Brick By Brick, how can you have a voice in neighborhood development?
Jeff Levine:
We're not opposed to development, and we're not asking you to kill this project. What we want is for this project to comply with the current zoning code, or if it can't for you to force the developer to collaborate with us on a project that is suitable for Hyde Park Square,
Ann Thompson:
How and what everyday citizens can do, no matter where the project may be a solution. Sidebar conversation with Cincinnati Council member Mark Jeffreys and Invest in neighborhoods’ Elizabeth Bartley next time on Brick by Brick.
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Our show is produced, hosted an edited by me, Ann Thompson with reporting and story editing from Hernz Laguerre Jr. and Emiko Moore. Our Executive producer of Mark Lammers. Our show consultant is Gloria Skurski. Gabe Wimberly is our audio engineer and mixer. Zach Kramer runs the lights and cameras. Derrick Smith is our production specialist and Jason Garrison is our production manager. Kellie May heads up our marketing and promotions, along with Mike Shea and Bridgett Dillenburger. Elyssa Stefenson handles the website and Steve Wright is our designer. Bill Dean and Andres Kruza are the engineers for the show and our Chief Content Officer is Colin Scianamblo. Our music is from Universal Production Music. Brick by Brick: Solutions for a Thriving Community is a production of CET and ThinkTV, Southwest Ohio PBS member stations.