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Featured books include:
- Tea with Elephants by Robin Jones Gunn
- Gelato at the Villa by Robin Jones Gunn
- Shortbread in the Highlands by Robin Jones Gunn
- The Roman Holiday Rule by Andra Loy
- The Secret Keepers of Old Depot Grocery by Amanda Cox
- Reading the Bible Latinamente by Ruth Padilla DeBorst, M. Daniel Carroll R., and Miguel G. Echevarría
- Abuelita Faith by Kat Armas
- The New Testament Around the World by Mariam Kamell Kovalishyn
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00.13) Welcome back to Baker Book House's podcast, Pages and People. Two of our favorite things here at the book store. We love good books and we love the people that buy them. So we are always, always excited to meet customers in store, but also online. I'm Sue Hecht and I was working with Pete in getting our podcast started and Chris Jager is our fiction buyer. Yep. So Chris, it's nice to be back. So but we also wanted to say that that Pete is no longer with us. Pete passed away unexpectedly in May. And so if you notice his absence, that's why. And we definitely are missing him. There's a vacuum here at Baker Book House, but we are confident that Pete would want us to carry on with the podcast. So there will be some changes. You know, Pete and I were quite different in a lot of ways, which was a lot of fun. but there were a couple of things we had in common and one was a fondness for Pellegrino. So I brought a bottle of Pellegrino in honor of our good friend Pete.
speaker-1 (01:17.218) I'm glad you did. And I agree, there has been a gap. if nothing else, if you didn't always agree on Pete or with Pete on stuff, it's his passion for selling good books and such here at the bookstore. We all agreed on that.
speaker-0 (01:34.06) Yes. And I don't know if I know anyone who is more determined to make people feel welcome whenever they walked in the store and to make the cafe another home to be, to enjoy a good book and a great cup of coffee and some really good food.
speaker-1 (01:51.852) We have people that come in once a year, so we're still telling people at the store, but they remember Pete from last year. I only met him once. I wanted to visit with him again. It's quite a testimony to him. Yeah. 'Cause he never met a stranger. Seriously. 'Cause I used to ask him, how long do you know that person? And he'd go, about five minutes. And it would just because he just never seemed like he didn't know that person.
speaker-0 (02:04.972) Yes. 17.688) Yes. Which also made it great to do the podcast with him because all the authors we interviewed became quick friends. Yep.
speaker-1 (02:23.415) Love. Yep. He was very comfortable with everybody.
speaker-0 (02:30.102) Yeah. So but today we're gonna we're gonna try a little different format. Chris and I have pulled out some books that we found to be very interesting and wanting to talk about together. Some of them we both have read, some of them only one or the other of us have read, but we thought let's just have a good conversation about some good books. Yeah. So Chris, why don't you get us started with what you have today?
speaker-1 (02:52.224) Okay, well, since we're recording this at the end of July, we were thinking of vacations and traveling, and we do both love to travel. We could probably just talk about our vacations too, but that seems a little boring. So, but books are where we started with this. And one of the series that Robin Jones Gunn has been doing, and we interviewed her when the first one came out, and so now she has all three. the third one is the shortbread in the highlands, so off to Scotland we headed. And one of the reasons I love these types of books, and there's a few other ones I can bring up and probably talk about all day long, but is where you immerse yourself in the culture. You don't just come in for a couple of days and then fly back out. you know, in Scotland here, they're there for weeks. Now they're I'm not gonna give any spoilers away and I'm not gonna tell you why they go to Scotland in the first place, other than it's a family heritage thing. So but they get to know what it was like for their grandparents. growing up in Scotland and maybe some of the people they might have met or lived next door to. what was it like to live in a small village in Scotland that, you know, personally I would never know. but yet their grandparents did that. And so it brings your family a little closer. It brings the two characters who are actually cousins in the book, a little bit closer. they were close in age. They're both girls obviously, and so You know, they felt like sisters, but you know, this story and all the things that are happening, good, bad and glorious, you know, changes your relationship with those people. And so, and when you can experience another culture, you understand them more. And it makes them again, I'm gonna go back to it, friends or family. and we were just talking about the World Cup and how much fun it's been to experience that through the visitors' eyes. You know, 'cause we know America. We were born and raised here. But to have these people from all over the world come over here and now on videos talking about how exciting it was to get to know us, not our politicians, not the people on the news, not anybody that's in the spotlight, just us. You know, those people in the neighborhoods they were staying in. That that has been fun. Or
speaker-0 (05:11.354) even not like what's projected in the movies. But Hollywood has a way of projecting things about the United States that sometimes it's o it's pretty accurate but sometimes it's a stretch.
speaker-1 (05:13.984) Yeah. 22.528) Yeah, turns out we don't all drive hot rods and screaming around with guns in our hands. So, you know, it's always fun to do too. But that's what we were experiencing with these books. And Robin, in this series, which is the suitcase sisters, again, you're in Italy with the second one, the gelato at the villa, and these women too. They stay in a place and they get to know the people, you know, with the house and they get to know the same people at the gelato place and things like that. It's just Interesting.
speaker-0 (05:52.75) So with this third one, it sounds like they are kind of tracing their family roots to Scotland. Is that true in the other two books though? Or is it different?
speaker-1 (06:02.83) One of it was the first one, which when we talked to Robin about it was a mission trip that she always wanted to take to Africa. and then she met up with some of the people that she had been supporting over the years. And then actually the Italy one was just a fun trip that they had always dreamed of taking. And thenone of the husbands surprised them with that trip, and such. So they were supposed to go with somebody else and things changed. I'll let you read the story and you can figure that out. And then The third one, they actually and you learn this in the first chapter, so I don't consider it a spoiler, their grandmother asked them to go. Okay. So and the having never ever been to Scotland, it only makes me want to go more. and I wanna do their trip where they're you know, they stay in one place for days. They don't, you know.
speaker-0 (06:53.27) So yeah, it seems like Robin has a real a real knack, a real gift for giving enough details to get a a feel for like typical life in whatever location she is. It's not all about the flash or the excitement, right? The big event things, but kind of the day-to-day is that
speaker-1 (07:13.334) I think so. I think part of her idea behind these books and the ones that I like that are like this is okay, I when I went to go to Paris, I do want to see Notre Dame. I do want to see the Eiffel Tower. I want to go to the museums, do the normal touristy things. But I also want to get to know, okay, where do you go out to eat? Where's a spot in Paris that I can go that's just so, you know And so we get to know the people when we travel too. We we try very hard to stay in one spot for a long time. And so you get to know the I mean, I will go even in the US, if I stay at a hotel and I'm looking for a restaurant, I don't go to the concierge. I go to the maid in the hallway. Hey, how you doing? Where do you guys like to go out to eat? And we have had some wonderful places. And I feel like that's what Robin does too. is let's talk to the people. I don't need the advertisement. I want to know. What you know.
speaker-0 (08:11.468) Yeah, so if you have a customer come into the store, what is it that they're telling you that they're interested, they're looking for a book, a fiction, book of fiction, and they give you some general idea of what they're looking for. What are the things that you would say, you need to read Robin's books for people who aren't familiar with her yet?
speaker-1 (08:33.538) Yeah. probably mostly I tell people or if people ask me, I'm looking for something that has a little bit of meat to it, but is lighter because there are definitely laugh out loud moments. because she writes very normal people. you know, and I think that's part of her research. you know, we were just talking about Pete never met a stranger. I don't think Robin has either. the few times I've met her, she's you she's very comfortable with everybody. and so that's you know, what they're looking for. It's gotta be contemporary. I want something quite often they'll ask for like a woman's fiction or woman's contemporary, because they don't always know they want to travel. that's usually not even one of the questions because it's almost a given in a book. unless it's written about your neighborhood that you live in, you know you're gonna travel, whether it's time travel or go around the world, so to speak. So but with Robins it's you know, I want something in there but I also want something light. Mm-hmm. You know? And so that's that yeah. I mean that's
speaker-0 (09:40.12) Relaxing at home or around the pool or heading to the
speaker-1 (09:44.724) Sure. Well, travel books in that way, like the these kind of really grew quickly during COVID when we couldn't travel. And so everybody and so suddenly they're everywhere again. and I'm glad they're back because they are actually one of my favorite genres to read. I guess they're not technically a genre on their own, but I love to read. I love learning new things about places. Whether I'm ever, ever gonna end up there or not, I don't care. But I now feel like I've been to Scotland. I get an idea. you know, they talked about the and it's in the title, the shortbread, and we called them cookies, you know, England quite often calls them biscuits, but in Scotland they are neither. They are shortbreads. And it's like okay.
speaker-0 (10:27.406) Yeah. You want to get it correct. Right. So how would you describe it in terms of is there mystery to be solved? Is there romance? Is it mostly just about the friendship between these two women? Are they meeting other people there and developing? Like, what are those kind of dynamics like?
speaker-1 (10:46.326) The focus of these stories are friendships. whether they're related or not, it didn't matter. she did a series a few years ago called The Sister Chicks. and it was the same thing. It's helping women help each other if that makes sense to people, 'cause women work or need each other. whether whatever you're working through, we but you know, we talk. I know it's shocking women talking to each other. But she wanted to show that, you know, it's necessary to be together and not always in a foreign setting. Okay. That's that wasn't the point of either the sister chicks or this the suitcase sisters, but to be where you can be honest with each other. in in this in the shortbread book, there one of them is really dealing with some heavy stuff and you know, refuses to even acknowledge it. I'm going to be here and you know, in the moment. but yet everybody knows. I mean, it happens right away in the first chapter or two that it's just it's a it's a hard thing to let go because, you know, I want to be vulnerable with you, but I also want don't need you or to feel badly, you know. so but Robin gently shows us that, you know, we need each other this way. we need these friends where we can be completely vulnerable and completely honest. And there's no judgment. It's like, let's get you through this.
speaker-0 (12:13.122) Hmm. So it's kind of watching these characters, specifically these two women, processing life issues together back and forth and how they're grappling with life issues.
speaker-1 (12:26.746) Yeah, and yet enjoying life. You know, because there's a there's a wee goose, which it took them a little while to figure out was wee cows. Wee w e e small tiny and they weren't but you know, if you know the highland cows, you know which ones I'm talking about. But it you know, so it's funny while they're discussing what did they what? You know, so there's the funny parts too where, you know, because sometimes when you have something dramatic going on in your life you don't feel like you can have fun too. but I think God gives us humor and laughter to relieve that pressure a little bit too. and so Robin includes that in her stories the whole way through where I mean my husband always wonders what I'm reading 'cause I'm laughing out loud. And it's like, you know, and then I try to explain it to him and it it's never as funny. Robin tells it better. So but
speaker-0 (13:22.562) There's something about creating that world in your imagination. Yeah. That's so engaging. And when you try to get outside that to explain it to somebody else, it's like, well, and you need to read the book for yourself. Yep. So you can enter into it fully. Definitely. Yeah. So those sound like great reads.
speaker-1 (13:39.64) They are. They're a lot of fun. They're I always say they're easy reads, but they're not. I mean there's a lot in there, but they're quick. You know, you almost have to go back and read it again because I'm always afraid I miss stuff.
speaker-0 (13:51.978) Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Well, were there a couple others that you just wanted to mention before I tell you about some of the books that I'm
speaker-1 (13:58.744) Well the fun thing yeah, 'cause and to be honest with you, like I said, I probably could go through all the department. In fact, it was hard not to pull tons of books. but there's a couple other ones. This one, the Roman holiday rule, just came out from Baker in their new imprint haven. it is a focus on a romance, but because she is in Rome for a specific thing, you get to learn what it's like to be in Rome. you know, we always think of it
speaker-0 (14:06.508) Right, right.
speaker-1 (14:26.392) You know, when I think of Rome, I think of either like all the historical stuff or the Vatican. That's all that's in Rome, right? Well, this tells me, no, there's so much more to Rome than that. And there's certain people in there, and you know, you can meet people and get to know them a little bit. And even though it's Rome, it's still a lot like my little city that I live in too. So and then this one I picked because it's still one of my favorites, the secret keepers of the Old depot Grocery.
And this is kind of a little mixture of a time travel one because you do have a split time where you go back and learn the history of why they the family owns this grocery store. there is a contemporary story. I'm not sure I consider this a complete dual time, but it's more flashback sort of. Okay. You know, it's the establishment of these three women:a mom, a grandma, and a daughter or granddaughter.
speaker-0 (15:20.236) Multi-generation.
speaker-1 (15:21.186) Yeah. And I just love that part of the story 'cause getting to know a family grocery store, I mean, I grew up in a time that that was the norm. You know, my mom worked at one. It was, you know, Don's grocery in the corner, you know. she would, you know, was a mile away from our house and she we have great stories of, you know, when there was a blizzard and he came and picked her up on a snowmobile, you know, so that they could run up register or run up food and bring it to people.'Cause they couldn't get out, you know, and that's what that reminds me of is that time and I know it happens still today. I mean, we're looking at the tornado in Wisconsin and how that community is very quickly coming together. So I always think of that as almost time or a travel book too, because you learn about somebody else's city too. So Yeah. Yeah.
speaker-0 (16:14.95) Well, I think those fit our theme for today, if you can call it our theme, kind of an international or cross-cultural exploration of books out there. Because like you were saying, we can't always physically go to other places. But through books, we really can learn about other people, other cultures, whether it's fiction or nonfiction. So a couple of
speaker-1 (16:37.068) Definitely. You have some there that I'm really interested in.
speaker-0 (16:42.018) Books. Well, one is a familiar one. Pete and I actually interviewed one of the authors for this book titled Reading the Bible Latinamente. So it's written by three scholars Old Testament, New Testament, and then missions and different schools. Wheaton, one is over here at Western, and they are writing from their different cultural contacts which are all Latin American. Okay. So one is half Guatemalan. His mother is Guatemalan and he travels down there quite a bit to work at the seminary there. one of them is her father is from Ecuador. Her mother is of northern European descent. And then the third author grew up in the Cuban American community in Miami. sure. So all three of them are kind of wanting to address what is what is it like to be a foreigner moving into another country because all of them, whether it's first, second, third generation, someone in their family, made the trip to come to the US and establish here for various reasons. So it's really fascinating to r to read the book and listen to the different stories that bring people to another country to start a new life. But what's also interesting about the Latin American community is so many of them are coming from families that value the scriptures. They value the Bible. And so a lot of them are coming, many of them are believers, not all of them are, of course, but they all have the even part of their cultural value is the Bible. So it talks about how from a Latin American perspective, and these are a variety of different cultures. Right. But how they're reading the scriptures. And one of the comments that stuck out to me about that book was that they're they do read it for, you know, read the Bible for how to live life. Okay.
speaker-0 (18:49.162) guidance for life. Well, because it's so much a part of their culture, they do respect it. There's and they're and it's like you were saying with the generational thing, your grandparents, your parents, and your children, a lot of them have grandparents, for example, who do very much believe and cling to the scripture and it's part of their life. So that's part of what is
speaker-1 (18:50.2) Even if they don't believe it.
speaker-0 (19:12.962) Kind of an aspect of many Latin American cultures is that they're reading the Bible to help them get through life's struggles. So it's very much a part of their life. And so they're reading it for how to live life, but also to find out who they are and who God is. So yeah, it's a very interesting take on that. And so the author here who grew up in Miami in a Cuban American community mentions Kat. Armas, who is one of our authors, she wrote, and I I'm probably gonna mispronounce this, so my apologies already to everybody who knows how to speak Spanish well. Abuelita Faith. And so she's talking about well, the subtitle, What Women on the Margins Teach Us about Wisdom, Persistence, and Strength. So what Kat is doing, having grown up in a Cuban American culture, but in the United States and then traveling outside of Miami and realizing the cultural context that were different that she grew up in versus what she's experiencing in the broader culture. And so she's talking about that dynamic and some of the struggles for sure, but also some of the benefits. And it's a complex sort of engagement and she's very much wanting to give lift to people like her grandmother who had a very strong faith, but she wasn't trained at a seminary. Right. So she was reading the Bible on a consistent basis and grappling with some really difficult things in life and has real wisdom that she's bringing. So I feel like it dovetails very nicely with both Shortbread and the Highlands where they're going back to their roots. Right. That they'd never lived in Scotland yet. through their family, through their grandmother, have heritage there that starts to come to life. Right. And then again as believers, how is God
speaker-0 (21:19.788) pictured or grappled with or understood in the context of all these generational developments, if that makes sense. It does. So Kat's book, I thought it was different than I expected it to be. Okay. So there were some things in it that I, you know, I would question. I don't necessarily agree with her on everything, but the more I was reading it, the more I started to understand her story and her engagement with the scriptures. And I started to appreciate more and more
speaker-1 (21:32.558) Thank you.
speaker-0 (21:49.812) where she's going and how she's getting there. And so I thought this is a great example to me of picking up books that maybe I don't understand where they're coming from and there may be some things that rub me in a in a way that doesn't feel great. But if I stick with it, I can really pursue and actually there's a lot of benefit. So even as Kat is talking about her interaction with her grandmother who comes from Cuba, right I'm realizing a lot of dynamics in that were true in my relationship with my grandmother who came from Germany. So it's kind of how are we engaging culture wherever we are? Because every culture has its benefits and its drawbacks. Right. There are things to celebrate and there are things to grieve. Yes. And there and she's honest very upfront.
speaker-1 (22:31.604) Isn't that interesting?
speaker-0 (22:48.73) in the beginning of her book too in saying that, you know, even all of our grandmother relationships, if she's really talking a lot about that, that's not to say they're perfect or that problems. But by taking the time to appreciate these people in our lives who have great wisdom who engage with the scripture, we it can open our eyes to things that are in the scripture that we didn't see. Right. So part of what Kat is also doing is looking at people who are mentioned in the Bible but are people that don't get front and center. Okay. Because they are often women or outsiders or But they're present in scripture. And I think a lot of us think about Ruth and Esther as women who had an influence that we're familiar with. but there are a lot of women too who are not named in the Bible. But even the way that Jesus interacts with those women, to kind of put ourselves more in the in the shoes of the women. who are engaging or the outsider. it brings a lot of richness to understanding
speaker-1 (24:02.52) Well, and it makes them human. You know, whether it's the women in the Bible, 'cause you know, I love reading books about yeah, the unfamous people. but also different cultures and how they look at those same stories differently than we do. you know, even though, like you said, Kat grew up here in the US but in a completely different culture than well, Dutch West Michigan, you know, where I grew up. You know, and it's It's interesting to see the Bible from their perspectives.
speaker-0 (24:36.456) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. And I think it does it it's challenging in some ways and then it's also inspiring too. When you start to realize the commonalities and what we're struggling with. And it's like you were saying earlier, Chris, when people were coming to the US for the World Cup. the part of it that took place here. Yeah. And it was really nice to think about we're partnering with Canada and Mexico in hosting these games. But how when people come from another place and meet the people who actually live there, it's like a whole new understanding. Yeah. And there's a lot of richness and joy in in that. Yeah. Some of it can be confusing. Yep. But if you go in with this posture of wanting to learn, being curious and wondering. before starting to say this is different it's gotta be wrong so i don't know about you Chris but whenever I've traveled internationally with my friends we would remind each other that most of the time things that we experience were not wrong they're just difference
speaker-1 (25:43.63) Yep, that's a that's a good way to put it.
speaker-0 (25:46.2) Different way. So the last book that I wanted to mention is one that's also one of our newer titles. It's called The New Testament Around the World. So this was edited by Miriam Kamel Kovalishun, who teaches at Regent in Vancouver. Miriam is a fascinating person in and of herself. She is American. She married a Ukrainian immigrant to Canada.
speaker-1 (26:06.027) Interesting.
speaker-0 (26:15.95) Yes, and her mother was a missionary kid in the Philippines, and her father was a Coptic Egyptian. good heavens. Yes, she's got the whole house right there. She kind of did. But so she was very interested in putting together a volume like this that every chapter is written by someone from outside of the United States culture.
speaker-1 (26:16.042) Interesting.
speaker-0 (26:43.502) and there are only two that are written by people who are of n ethnic minority within the United States. So what you get is you have people from all over the world who are doing a thorough job of studying the scriptures. These are Bible teachers, these are scholars, these are people who really take the Bible seriously and teach it. Yep. So they're using good exegesis as they're studying, but they're also, and Marion was asking them, engaging with their cultural context.
speaker-1 (26:49.982) Interesting.
speaker-0 (27:12.866) How does their context engage with the scripture? Right. So that you do get that sense of, we're finding out where they live and how the scripture is intersecting them. It can be. Okay. It can be. So what I like about this is you can pick a part of the Bible that you're interested in, like Colossians, or f you know, and then find it, a chapter on it, and you're reading it from that part of the world, a different part of the world.
speaker-1 (27:25.366) And what they're getting out of it is totally different. 41.887) far.
speaker-0 (27:42.414) You can look through and see where these people are coming from and say, I want to read something by someone who lives in China and how they're engaging. And then so you can kind of go either way. But it's a really it it's a really a great volume and it's you know, it's not for the faint of heart. Some of these are very deep script. So just to be honest, but it is very, very Again, challenging and encouraging to see how people are engaged in God's word. And it helps me get outside of some of my narrow understanding or kind of the my assumptions based on where I live, which are not necessarily good or bad, but they can be limited. Yep. And sometimes they do need some correction, or sometimes they do need some strengthening.
speaker-1 (28:29.71) Yeah. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. Cause we are a product of our upbringing. We are. Good, bad, or ugly. But yeah, I like books like that. let me ask you this because it was just something that popped in my head. Mm-hmm. Did it change your perspective? Like for me, I'm trying to think of one of the Romans is a little more difficult. There's a lot in there. So it's just for me one of the more difficult. Did that ever help you in any of the books that you had? Any trouble understanding or reading because it changed what you saw in that book?
speaker-0 (29:04.332) think what it did is it opened my eyes to like an another facet of understanding it. Yeah. Kind of you know, looking at maybe I think of a diamond has it different facets, different w angles and the light gets refracted in different ways. Or if you know look at a forest, you can look at it from one angle, but if you approach it a different way you find out something else about the forest. So the kind of yeah it's a little bit harder to say. So yeah.
speaker-1 (29:37.472) Yeah, that's interesting. It's I like that they did that 'cause I don't remember if it's still in print. There used to be a multicultural Bible. Mm-hmm. You know, and then the notes were written from all different perspectives. Mm-hmm. So it just I don't know, it just made me look at it differently. 'Cause it's like, so in your culture that's what this means, not and that's why it's written this way instead of mm-hmm like in the English culture, this is, you know.
speaker-0 (30:04.718) So yeah, and I do feel like and again, traveling a lot, growing up in a family that kind of has mixed cultures. My dad's side of the family, very different from my mom's side of the family. Mom grew up in a small town in Pennsylvania. Dad was born and raised in Germany and went to the Philippines before he came here as a teenager. So interesting. Yeah. So you just learnt to observe and listen. Yeah. To try to understand why people are are coming from where the position that they are. And then you can be in a position of saying, okay, so what's the reason for being at this conclusion? Right. And is that is there a good basis for it? And
speaker-1 (30:50.722) Yeah.
speaker-0 (30:52.212) Maybe there is, maybe there's some adjustment. The thing is none of us have it all right. A hundred percent. Yeah. So when we're in dialogue with each other, that helps us to kind of grapple with what it what's yeah, what yeah what is really true about life and what's the best way to move forward.
speaker-1 (31:10.092) And I agree with that completely. Same. Yeah.
speaker-0 (31:13.196) Well, Chris, this has been a great discussion and I like the books that you brought.
speaker-1 (31:18.978) And I like the ones you brought. Okay. Well that's See, fiction and nonfiction can get along quite well.
speaker-0 (31:25.006) So thanks for joining us for this episode of Pages and People. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of Pages and People. This podcast is brought to you by Baker Book House. Titles mentioned in this episode include Tea with Elephants, Gelato at the Villa, and Shortbread in the Highlands by Robin Jones Gunn, The Roman Holiday Rule by Andra Loy, The Secret Keepers of Old Depot Grocery by Amanda Cox. Reading the Bible Latinamente by Ruth Padilla de Boorst, Daniel Carroll R. and Miguel G. Echevarria. Abuelita Faith by Kat Armas. The New Testament Around the World, edited by Miriam Kamel Kovalishun. Order today on Bakerbookhouse.com for up to 40% off. Some orders may also qualify for free standard shipping. This podcast episode is dedicated to Pete McGowan. We miss you, friend.