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Unraveling the COVID-Cancer Connection: A Holistic Approach: Part One

• Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi • Season 1 • Episode 2

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We are exploring the surprising link between COVID and cancer and how a holistic approach can provide answers and hope.

In this episode of The Partovi Effect, Dr. Ryan Partovi and Mrs. Madi Partovi delve into the complex relationship between COVID-19 and cancer. As the pandemic continues to evolve, emerging evidence suggests a potential connection between the two. Dr. Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI, shares his insights on how COVID-19 may contribute to cancer development and recurrence.

Key topics covered in this episode include:

  • The COVID-Cancer Connection: Understanding the potential link between COVID-19 infection and cancer development.
  • Holistic Approaches to Cancer Treatment: Exploring the benefits of integrative therapies and repurposed drugs in treating cancer.
  • The Importance of Comprehensive Testing: Discussing the need for advanced lab testing to identify underlying health issues and inform personalized treatment plans.
  • Empowering Patients: Encouraging individuals to take control of their health and seek alternative perspectives on cancer care.


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[00:00:00] Introduction to The Partovi Effect

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[00:00:01] Mrs. Madi Partovi: My name is Madi Partovi 

[00:00:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi: and I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

[00:00:11] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Welcome to The Partovi Effect creating the consensus, what creating the consensus means to me is, no matter what we bring to the table, no matter what we talk about, no matter what we talk about with our guests, um, may we always be present to the unity and the connectedness that.

[00:00:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Inherently exists between us. 

[00:00:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi: That's beautiful. 

[00:00:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Thank you. I think, 

[00:00:36] Defining 'Creating the Consensus'

[00:00:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi: you know, can I speak to what creating the consensus means to me since you started there, you know, creating the consensus to me means really creating a shared reality because I think we're sort of at this point as humans where we acknowledge that we create our own reality.

[00:00:54] Dr. Ryan Partovi: from a individualistic perspective. And yet there is this broad sense that like, but there is a there [00:01:00] out there, right? Like there's stuff that we can touch and see and taste and feel. And so there is some sort of objective reality, but our experience of it individually is different. So creating the consensus to me is a coming together and agreeing upon, okay, well, What's real, what's not, why do we think so, why don't we think so, so it really gets into that realm of, of really creating

[00:01:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi: a shared reality that we can kind of agree on and say, okay, you know, this is, this is the truth. Right. So it's a pursuit of truth, really. So that's what I, that's what gets me excited about creating the consensus. That's 

[00:01:46] Mrs. Madi Partovi: awesome. Beautiful. Thank you. Sure. 

[00:01:49] Cancer Stories and Challenges

[00:01:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Uh, we're going to be talking about cancer today. A lot of truth to be uncovered there, I would, I would argue. 

[00:01:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: [00:02:00] Absolutely. And, know, because of the 200 stories that have come our way since we started, uh, introducing repurposed drugs into our practice and treating cancer with repurposed drugs. I've been privy to so many, uh, personal stories.

[00:02:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And this is just, by the way, been in the last six months, I would say, maybe seven months now. 

[00:02:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Just the other day, I was speaking to a woman whose brother that was, who was just diagnosed with stage four cancer, uh, within the last couple of weeks. Right. And he is today like on home hospice. And he has a feeding tube. And she told me that he had been going to his doctors for one year telling them that he suspected he has cancer. And you know the response he got? But [00:03:00] your labs look normal. Your labs look normal. Just so we're clear, when CBC, CMP, lipid, TSH, and if they're good, vitamin D. Uh, in men, maybe a PSA. Which is, you know, as far as they'll go in terms of cancer screening, uh, in a man. And if you're a woman, a mammogram. 

[00:03:24] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So, a year long journey, right, where he suspected this and was trying to tell people that we're supposed to help him, and here he is. Yeah. And then you have, you know, somebody close to us who also, who also tells me that her brother in law, same story, kept telling the doctors that, you know, something is wrong. Yeah. Oh, you're fine. Your labs are normal. Let's check in another three months. Let's check in another three months and then, you know, gets diagnosed with stage three, you know, thank God that this story has ended up a little bit different. You know, he, he sought alternative care and he's still with us [00:04:00] and he, you know, he's, he's not on home hospice like this other gentleman, but yeah, it's, um, for me sometimes like I'll give an example.

[00:04:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi: so COVID days, I used to cry a lot. And then I, um, there was like a calibration, um, internally. And there's all that, those stories that, you know, moved me. And, um, had me get, or experience a lot of emotion. And I would move through it very quickly. Um, And, you know, I'd wake up the next day. Okay. What is it that I can, uh, what actions can I take?

[00:04:35] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Like, how can I embody still being a joyful and present and go for it, like do everything possible to save these lives. Um, and cancer is a little bit different, you know, I I'm still calibrating. Uh, so I find my process very, [00:05:00] um, I have to move through it. So I need to move my body sometimes.

[00:05:06] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Um, I do a lot of singing, you know, and lately, you know, it's been never ending story, just to kind of shift myself. Cause it's a lot mentally to take. 

[00:05:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Sure. 

[00:05:24] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. I think about all of the, um, the parents, you know, the man that, Oh, has to pick up his kid, you know, his daughter at school and that's stage four right now.

[00:05:37] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And it's starting to feel like effects on his body. And that the woman who is so absolutely young and beautiful and shows up, you know, as a patient and she's, she has four kids and is about to get married at the end of the month. Yeah. And then the, yeah, that mom that had to tuck in her kids and then all the, the [00:06:00] financial issues that, uh, these people deal with, you know, because they've exhausted their savings. You know, and they're dealing with shit oncologists um, are expecting them to do it their way or the highway. So it's a lot for me. I'm still,in the motions a lot. It's a different beast for me. I get sad, and then I get really angry. I get really angry at the stupid system. and it, like I've said before in a newsletter that this, this conventional medical system is not broken. It's actually quite a very robust system, you know, that monetizes people over and over and over again.

[00:06:46] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, it doesn't put people first. And even well meaning doctors inside the system just don't know what it is that they're doing. Or they operate from a very, you know, small lens and an [00:07:00] algorithm that is so,ordinary. And by ordinary I mean that they're not listening to people. And, you know, so I get all these stories and of course we're biased, you know, of course the hundreds of people that are coming to us, I am biased, you know, because we're getting all these stories, nobody's listening to us. And that's, that's what you were getting in the very beginning anyway. Um, many of our patients, you know, have seen 12, 14, up to 16 doctors with no answers. Okay. 

[00:07:33] Repurposed Drugs in Cancer Treatment

[00:07:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And so there's this wave of people who are looking to treat their cancer with repurposed drugs. And what I'm talking about is ivermectin, I'm talking about metformin, mebendazole, albendazole. You know, the whole other suite of FLCCC medications that, you know, are on the list. Including natural medicines, 

[00:07:54] Mrs. Madi Partovi: actually. Yes, which you have been employing, deploying, you know, since the early years, for [00:08:00] almost 15 years. Yes. With your, your really keen and masterful, um, integrative, holistic, naturopathic approach. Plus, you know, the, the computer assisted medicine on top of that, you know, bioinformatics platforms.

[00:08:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: It's a really unique edge, um, uh, when you're treating cancer. Because when, the moment that a person gets diagnosed with cancer, you know, fundamental health and wellness becomes so important.

[00:08:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Well, I think that fundamental health and wellness is really, really important when it comes to preventing cancer. And I think when it comes to being diagnosed with cancer, it's really important in terms of being able to survive some of the therapeutics. Because a lot of the therapeutics that are offered by conventional medicine are, they're pretty toxic, [00:09:00] frankly.

[00:09:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So the, the philosophy behind them is, well, we're gonna, you know, try to kill the cancer and hopefully you don't die in the process, right? So that's where I think fundamental health and wellness does come into play there, 

[00:09:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: but So you're talking about the petroleum derivatives? The mustard gas, the chemo, right?

[00:09:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Uh, well, yeah, specifically, I think chemo is the most obvious example of this. It's the one most people know about, and it's the sort of strongest. Um, long term side effects, but, you know, some immunotherapies also have pretty significant short term side effects, potentially, and, you know, you have to keep an eye on that, and, you know, cancer drugs in general are going to have some pretty significant side effects, um, typically, I mean, compared to other drugs, I would say.

[00:09:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Well, yeah, I mean, um, some of our patients now, they, you After their chemo, they just they can't even communicate [00:10:00] straight with us. Give me a couple days It's typically very difficult for patients to also continue to take a lot of the complementing complementary therapies we use you know during Uh, a cycle of chemo, a lot of times they'll have to wait, you know. 

[00:10:18] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So it's like a double whammy? 

[00:10:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi: A few days to maybe a week or two even before they can kind of restart their protocol.

[00:10:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And so it's sort of between each cycle of chemo they're doing the protocol. Because, you know, whether it be nausea, whether it be loss of appetite, you know, whatever it is that they're dealing with, it can be a big issue. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's one of the challenges. 

[00:10:39] Integrative and Holistic Approaches

[00:10:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And, you know, I would say usually what we're doing if, uh, in fact, uh, what I encourage is usually some kind of complimentary, you know, integrative approach where we're using conventional medicine, we're using natural medicine and we're doing it together.

[00:10:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi: The cool thing about using the repurposed drugs, in my view, is, you know, I think that a lot of them probably do work even [00:11:00] synergistically and they can kind of fill the gap. You know, one of the challenges with natural, uh, natural approaches to cancer is that compliance, you know, compliance can be tricky and not just because of chemo, but just because of all the different moving parts.

[00:11:15] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And sometimes it's the quantity, you know, it's like not everybody can take 60 pills a day or 60 pills twice a day. In some cases, it's a lot, you know? And so I would say that, you repurposed drugs can give them a little bit of, wiggle room so that if they're not as compliant with the rest of the protocol, they can still see benefits.

[00:11:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And to me, that's the most exciting part about the repurposed drugs is that it gives that wiggle room in terms of compliance and not just compliance with nutraceuticals. I mean, that's the first thing I mentioned, but Diet as well. You know, diet can be hard for some people. I mean, and I get that. And I, you know, to me, diet is fundamental.

[00:11:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: It's foundational. But I understand that, you know, not [00:12:00] everyone is, is perfect. And, um, like nobody's perfect in terms of their compliance, uh, with the diet or with any aspect of the treatment. And so, you know, having things that kind of bridge the gap and, and make up the difference can make a real, uh, can make the whole process a lot easier. Yeah, the FLCCC has, uh, some pretty powerful anecdotal testimonials thus far, you know, about people being on this protocol, this repurposed drugs protocol, and living with their cancer. I mean, people that came back from hospice. 

[00:12:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah, well, and that's something that I think, I mean, I've seen in my practice now for, you know, really since the, since I was in residency, at least, uh, which is patients that.

[00:12:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi: you know, sort of get healthy and live with their cancer and keep it in check for 20 plus years, you know, with stage four cancer. So there's this impulse, which is, let's get cancer free. I need to get cancer free. We want to get [00:13:00] cancer free. And of course we want to get cancer free. That's true. Um, but Depending on the patient's sort of level of compliance, sometimes it's often easier to just basically have no progression of the disease, and maybe it doesn't get any better, but it also doesn't get any worse.

[00:13:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So, and sometimes that's great to give them quality of life for as long as they, they choose to have it, you know? 

[00:13:27] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I just became present too. Like, I, I talked about these FLCCC stories, right? And in my mind, I'm like, oh my god, these are, miracles. Um, and you, you came back with what you said and my mind was blown.

[00:13:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I'm okay. You're present to miracles, like all around you, like for the past, you know, however long you've been in practice. And that's just, really extraordinary. 

[00:13:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah. I mean, to me, the repurposed drugs, which, you know, I've used repurposed I've used, [00:14:00] for example, low dose naltrexone in my ecology practice for, oh, I don't know, probably at least a decade.

[00:14:07] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Um, you know, that's something which in naturopathic circles is. Pretty well known and well appreciated and well, um, acknowledged as a potentially antineoplastic therapy. But, you know, I think the FLCCC is sort of, in many ways, beginning the process of mainstreaming some of these things that we've been doing along for a long time, while also adding in a few new things.

[00:14:36] Dr. Ryan Partovi: You know, I will say that A lot of the things, and I don't have the list in front of me, but I would say things like curcumin, omega 3 fats,melatonin, green tea extract, um, these are things which we've used, you know, naturopathically we've been using for decades, uh, before I came around, you know, but I would say that The addition of the [00:15:00] repurposed drugs and really bringing additional drugs on into play and allowing us to say, okay, well, this repurposed drug may be particularly useful in these particular types of cancers.

[00:15:11] Dr. Ryan Partovi: That kind of thing, I think, is really, you know, it expands the integrative piece for sure. And a lot of these things being so affordable, being available, um, you know, without any kind of, uh, special kind of license or prescription because of the fact that they're, um, not controlled substances. They're just a regular prescription from a doctor.

[00:15:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi: You can get them, um, and that they may help. I mean, it's sort of like, why not? Especially because the side effect profiles tend to be pretty, pretty minimal. So, um, yeah, it's, it's exciting times. 

[00:15:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: It is. It is. 

[00:15:50] COVID-19 and Cancer Connections

[00:15:50] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I believe that any cancer diagnosis post COVID or recurrence post COVID is highly suspect. [00:16:00] And I would like to touch on that 

[00:16:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi: briefly.

[00:16:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Well, I think that the safest posture is to assume that it's COVID related until proven otherwise. Because if it's COVID associated, which means it's happened, You know, since, since you either had COVID or since you got the vaccine or both, um, really either one is considered what we call spikopathy, which is potentially, potentially spikopathy, which would be spike protein associated disease.

[00:16:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And with the way we check that, I know we've talked about this before, but the way we check that is with the anti spike protein antibody titers, which are a proxy for either the level of, of, uh, spike protein exposure or the spike protein, uh, mediated immune response. But either way, you know, if you have, um, an elevated anti spike protein antibody titer, um, that Absolutely, to me, would indicate that [00:17:00] it's unlikely you're going to see as much benefit from conventional cancer therapy unless you were at the same time treating yourself for long COVID vaccinosis, vaccine injury.

[00:17:13] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Um, and so, you know, I think that's something that's under, under recognized. The other thing that's really useful about that test is that if the levels, certain sort of thresholds we've noticed, uh, in our practice are associated with cancer. Now, does that mean all the people who have those thresholds or at those thresholds of spike, anti spike protein antibody response, uh, know that they have cancer?

[00:17:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi: No. But does that mean that they don't? No. You know, it's very well, I think it's very likely that,and I think we've seen that that some of those patients will actually turn out to have cancer. They didn't know they had. So that can actually be an impetus to say, okay, let's go ahead and do further investigation.

[00:17:57] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Let's do our cancer screen, which as far as [00:18:00] I know, is. The most involved advanced cancer screen that as anybody's doing, um, 

[00:18:06] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I

[00:18:07] Comprehensive Diagnostic Testing

[00:18:07] Mrs. Madi Partovi: just, I mean, you just provided me a lab requisition for me to, you know, um, the whole cancer panel and I'd be happy to report on the results, you know, in another episode, I just want to be completely open, um, and vulnerable, you know, about, you know, what's showing up for me.

[00:18:24] Mrs. Madi Partovi: how many vials was like 21, 21 vials, less than a blood donation. 

[00:18:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah. Blood donation is 50. 

[00:18:31] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:18:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So, 

[00:18:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: but yeah, I look forward to having my labs complete and reporting on that. And, um, it, it is one of the most, how do I say state of the art. You know, um, 

[00:18:45] Dr. Ryan Partovi: state of the science, 

[00:18:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi: state of the science and science. Absolutely. This is a little bit of an inside joke because. the term medicine comes from the Latin ars medicina, which means the art of healing. And so the irony, of course, being that modern medicine is sort [00:19:00] of anything but healing or, or an art. So we sort of often trade back this whole idea of art versus science and, you know, the, the real definition of what it means to practice medicine, um, and how few doctors are still doing that, I would say.

[00:19:18] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:19:20] Commitment to Patient-Centered Care

[00:19:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: There's a flow. know, that patients when they become aware of our practice and aware of what we do and not only what we do, but what we stand for, that practice of honest medicine, you know, putting patients first. And really honoring the individual with a deep dive into their genetics. 

[00:19:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Well, and the end of chronic disease now.

[00:19:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I mean, that's kind of the overarching what we stand for. And that's, that's something that I think is, the end of, well, literally not just chronic disease, but human disease, period. You know? 

[00:19:55] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Absolutely. I mean, I wake up, um, present to that almost every morning. To, [00:20:00] to couple, couple of things. Um, present to our overarching commitment as a team, um, and also as your wife, um, not knowing you. You know what I mean? 

[00:20:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Mm hmm. 

[00:20:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Like, we're on a fresh canvas for that day. 

[00:20:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah. and it takes something to listen to, listen to someone as, as nothing and a possibility. So I appreciate that. 

[00:20:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Or else every, it would be like, why do you keep doing that? Why do you always do that? Oh my God. It's just. 

[00:20:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Not that that never happens.

[00:20:35] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Not that that never happens, but. For both of us. Yeah. 

[00:20:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So, you know, that's, uh, but really I think having the commitment. 

[00:20:45] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Has us move thing move through things very quickly. Yeah, you know, whatever resentments and regrets and You know disagreements we have We do what it takes to come back to love and affinity with each other so that [00:21:00] we can be focused on the mission at large.

[00:21:05] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:21:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And as those things come up, It's just, it shortens the time it takes us for, to be able to then say, okay, well, okay, but back to what am I committed to? 

[00:21:16] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah, so whatever, whenever there's like a group patient call or whether, whether, you know, we are on filming a podcast, um, whatever it is, you know, that we were dealing with gets cleared, you know, so that we can show up as a force. So I was just talking about the flow, the many ways that people can approach, um, our practice. So I'll give you an example. Um, this gentleman, um, 65 years old, uh, he, he started with a preventive group call. Well, we invite everybody onto these calls, whether you have cancer, whether you have long COVID, whether you just want prevention.

[00:21:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: and what he ended up doing was. [00:22:00] The spike protein test. What's the fancy SARS CoV 2 antibody, 

[00:22:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi: antibody panel, 

[00:22:06] Mrs. Madi Partovi: panel? Yeah, 

[00:22:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi: and we're looking for the presence of the nucleocapsid as well as the, um, the titer of the anti spike protein response. 

[00:22:15] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:22:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So that tells us, A, have you ever had COVID? Or maybe, especially in the last year, and then B, you know, what's your level of the, uh, of immune response against the spike protein?

[00:22:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And the reason why that's important is because it's the spike protein that, uh, is the sort of source of the cytotoxic effects of COVID. So, COVID does its damage through its spike protein. And, um, both, both, Directly, as in the spike protein itself, is cytotoxic, but also indirectly in the sense that the spike protein is the way that the virus is able [00:23:00] to get to bind to the ACE2 receptor, or actually with Omicron you have direct viral entry through the cell membrane, but historically through the ACE2 receptor, and, um, Get into the cell to then hijack the, um, the ribosomal, uh, protein manufacturing to produce new virus.

[00:23:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So 

[00:23:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I, um, you know, I, I'm flashbacking to when we met him. Um, and he, when he was sharing his story, uh, He was crying. So that was a little stark, you know, for me, it's very masculine man crying, um, because he felt duped, you know, he felt, um, gaslit into getting the vaccines. And I think he, he received three and it's by a lot of people to buy the third, you know, that [00:24:00] we start seeing issues.

[00:24:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah, I just, I, well, some people have issues with the first dose and you actually, your risk of having side effects goes up with each additional dose. So, just because you didn't react to the first three doses doesn't mean you won't react to the fourth, is I guess what that means. 

[00:24:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Okay, yeah, and, And so he, he got his results back, by the way, you know, 

[00:24:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi: you know, 

[00:24:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: um, and it was off the charts.

[00:24:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah. Anytime I see a result that's off the charts, my first question is, you know, let's make sure this person doesn't have cancer. 

[00:24:38] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So he was like, boom, okay, what do I do next? 

[00:24:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah. Um, 

[00:24:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: so that from attending that first call to getting the results, you know, for his spike protein test, He has now registered into our wellness plan, which includes all of that comprehensive testing.

[00:24:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I mean, it's [00:25:00] a, it's a giant compared to, you know, the five, Labs that 

[00:25:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi: are 

[00:25:08] Mrs. Madi Partovi: usually drawn. 

[00:25:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Oh, yeah. I mean I was you know, I was rattling off the CBC CMP lipid TSH vitamin D and PSA if you're a man Because it's just a it's a pitiful level of analysis That they do. I 

[00:25:24] Mrs. Madi Partovi: mean it's what has Your labs are normal 

[00:25:28] Dr. Ryan Partovi: normal.

[00:25:29] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Let's 

[00:25:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: check them again in three months. 

[00:25:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi: They're they're they're literally Thousands of labs that can be tested on humans. You've tested five and you're telling people all your labs are normal, you know? Um, sorry, but if you haven't at least checked each body system, each pathology, you know, whether it be cardiovascular, neurological, um, You know, uh, and, [00:26:00] uh, or neoplastic, which is cancer.

[00:26:02] Dr. Ryan Partovi: You know, if, if you've not tested the different ways in which the body can go off kilter, if you haven't tested the organ systems, then how can you possibly say that all your labs came back normal, all the labs you ran came back normal. But if that's like five labs, then you know, sorry, that's just not.

[00:26:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Even remotely enough to be able to say, and they'll say, but that's the standard of care, which is to say, that's what I learned in school. It's like, okay, yeah, that's what I learned in school, too. That doesn't mean that I had to stop learning the moment I graduated, you know, so, you know, lab diagnosis, something I'm very passionate about, obviously, and diagnostic medicine, I think, in general.

[00:26:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And, uh, you know, I'll be honest, the naturopathic medical students that rotate with me have all said that I've learned more about lab diagnosis working with me than they have in school or from any other professor. And I think that that's. Really a testament to my passion for diagnostic medicine. Um, [00:27:00] you know, my nickname in residency was Testerosa, and it wasn't because I drive fast.

[00:27:05] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I like to run tests. You do drive fast sometimes. Well, maybe occasionally if we're running late. But the point is, you know, I like to run tests. But, you know, I also believe we should test, not guess. And I'd rather wait and make sure we have the correct diagnosis than spend a lot of the patient's money on treatment when we could be treating the wrong thing.

[00:27:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So, and you know, for the most part, we find that insurance coverage for lab work is pretty good.

[00:27:33] Conclusion and Final Thoughts

[00:27:33] So thank you all for joining us on this episode of The Partovi Effect creating the consensus. I am dr. Ryan parts of me and I'm Mrs. Madi Partovi. Thank you so much for joining us. Be well.