The Partovi Effect

Cancer Uncomfortable Truths Revealed: Part Two

• Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi • Season 1 • Episode 3

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In this episode of The Partovi Effect, Dr. Ryan Partovi, JD, NMD, MIFHI, and Mrs. Madi Partovi dive deep into the controversial world of modern medicine, exposing conflicts of interest and challenging the status quo. From critiquing managed care to discussing the industrialization of healthcare, they offer a provocative look at why some doctors are being labeled as "misinformationists." The episode also touches on personal stories, including a poignant reflection on their neighbor's cancer journey and their son's educational experiences. This thought-provoking conversation will leave you questioning the medical establishment and inspired to take charge of your health.


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Clips from Dr. Ryan and Mrs. Madi Partovi | Part 2

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[00:00:00] Introduction to The Partovi Effect

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[00:00:00] Mrs. Madi Partovi: My name is Madi Partovi. 

[00:00:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And I'm Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

[00:00:04] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Welcome to the Partovi Effect, Creating the Consensus. And what creating the consensus means to me is no matter what we bring to the table, no matter what we talk about, no matter what we talk about with our guests, may we always be present to the unity and the connectedness that inherently exists between us.

[00:00:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi: That's beautiful.

[00:00:27] Critique of Managed Care and HMOs

[00:00:27] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Managed care. Algorithmic care is a scam. 

[00:00:31] Dr. Ryan Partovi: what a lot of people don't realize with these HMOs is a trained monkey could do the job of the doctors that work for these HMOs. It's like literally put the patient's symptoms in, um, Most probable diagnosis is this.

[00:00:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi: First treatment to try is this. If that doesn't work, then do this. If that doesn't work, then do this. If that doesn't work, prescribe Prozac and send them, send them out in the street, you know, that's basically, I mean, they are managing. It's not just managed care in terms of [00:01:00] managing costs, which is what the term refers to.

[00:01:03] Dr. Ryan Partovi: It's like, no, the doctors themselves are managed. To the point where their, their job is to make money for big hospital and big pharma and they're working for big hospital and big pharma. They're not your doctor. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you go to a doctor with your HMO and that that is your doctor.

[00:01:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi: No, that is. The hospital's doctor that is pharma's doctor. That is not your doctor. Your doctor is not your doctor unless you're paying your hard earned cash to hire that doctor to pay that doctor to work for you. So, you know, you can tell yourself it's my doctor. My HMO covers it real well, you know, but I hate to break it to you.

[00:01:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi: It covers it because that doctor is working for that. HMO system and [00:02:00] doing what is going to further the profits of that HMO, that hospital system, and the pharmaceutical companies that underpin and fund the whole thing. So, you know, I mean, that's not to disparage my colleagues who Are working in that system.

[00:02:18] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Look, everybody's got to earn a living. I get it. You know, 

[00:02:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I said in the beginning even well meaning doctors, you know, it's not the doctor's fault. 

[00:02:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi: They're just like, Hey, I got to get a job. I got to send my kids to private school like everybody else. That's a joke. Um, it's another one was inside jokes, you know, but, um, look, I mean, The fact of the matter is, is that they spend a lot of money and a lot of time going to, going to med school.

[00:02:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I get that sometimes they come out, they're just like, I just want a paycheck. I just want it to be easy. I get it. You know, I get it. Um. 

[00:02:52] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I know several disenchanted MDs. 

[00:02:55] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Sure, when we do, of course we do. 

[00:02:57] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. One of which, you know, [00:03:00] we're going to invite on as a guest. 

[00:03:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Many of them, 

[00:03:03] Mrs. Madi Partovi: many of them, 

[00:03:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi: but I would just say, look, I mean, people often think, oh, the doctors, these horrible doctors that lied to me, like, no, no, no, the doctors only, only gave you their best understanding of the science.

[00:03:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi: The problem is the doctors themselves were lied to. 

[00:03:24] Pharma's Influence on Medical Education

[00:03:24] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Because the doctors were trained from the very beginning in school that this is how you evaluate medical evidence. Is it randomized, placebo controlled, double blind clinical trial? If it is, it's the gold standard. If it's not, it's, you know, it's second rate at best, right?

[00:03:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So that in and of itself is a lie, okay? But it's, it's a lie that furthers pharma, because pharma knows. that those are the kind of trials that pharmaceutical interventions do best [00:04:00] at. So it's like, of course, they fund these medical schools who then teach their students that this is what, uh, is the gold standard of, of research. Meta analyses of. Observational controlled trials show no significant difference between observational trials and randomized placebo controlled double blinded trials. So, you know, but again, they don't teach you that in med school. So, I mean, they taught it in naturopathic medical school, but they're not teaching the stuff in conventional medical school.

[00:04:34] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So, That's the first thing I would say. 

[00:04:37] The Corruption in Medical Journals

[00:04:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And really, the next thing I would say is that pharma is paying, I mean, the journals that they tell you are the top journals, where the best randomized controlled trials are published, the top five journals, you know, top five, which are a lot of them are quite old, been around for over 100 years, Lancet, British Medical Journal, New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of American Medical Association, Annals of Internal [00:05:00] Medicine, the big five, are the most corrupt, the most bought out, Uh, pharma page on every third ad journals, and yet those are held up as the highest standard of evidence in medicine, and the only journals you really need to follow because if it's, you know, it's all the news that's fit to print in the medical world is going to be found on the pages of one of those five journals, and that's what's drilled into your head every single day of your career.

[00:05:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi: of your medical school career, then why would you, a, why would you look anywhere else? B, why would you question, you know, anything you're seeing there? Because that's part of the nature of your education for the very beginning is to sort of indoctrinate you into looking at these sources and looking for this particular type of trial to justify whatever treatment you give to the patient.

[00:05:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Well, the problem is, is that What about all of the smaller journals that maybe don't get quite as much funding from Big Pharma [00:06:00] and tend to have a much greater willingness to publish, for example, a positive trial on a natural intervention than one of the top five will, you know, I wonder why. So, you know, look, I, I have all the compassion in the world for doctors because the, the thing about education and we should, we're going to do a whole podcast, I'm sure, if not half a dozen of them on education.

[00:06:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi: But the thing about education is all education is brainwashing. The question is what kind of soap do you want to use? Right. And so the soap that's being used, metaphorically speaking in conventional medical school is an industrialized, highly corporatized soap . You know, because that's the nature of our modern medical system.

[00:06:47] Industrialization of Medicine

[00:06:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I mean, literally, if you look back and, and the, we'll probably do one podcast just on the history of medicine, but if you look back in terms of. Uh, when Rockefeller worked with the [00:07:00] first conventional, what we at the time were called allopathic medical doctors, which basically are doctors that, uh, allo meaning other, pathic meaning disease.

[00:07:09] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So they treat something other than the disease. What's other than the disease that they could treat? Oh, the symptoms. So these were doctors who treated symptoms primarily with drugs, also with certain surgical procedures. And. That became really the progenitor of the modern conventional medical paradigm.

[00:07:26] Dr. Ryan Partovi: But the problem with that is that the way that it evolved Was really inside of Rockefeller's desire to industrialize medicine because you know, he had successfully industrialized multiple other professions. So the idea was hey, well, we could do the same thing we did over here, you know with steel and railroad and everything else.

[00:07:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And we could apply that to medicine and industrialized medicine and actually make it a really profitable industry. Well, how are we going to do that? Well, we've got to have something that's not too much, doesn't cost too much to make, [00:08:00] but we can sell it for 10, 100, a thousand times more than we cost to make it.

[00:08:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Oh, what, what could do that? Well, pharmaceuticals, right? So, you know, this is one example, but I would say that, that understanding that this system is simply one that. Most doctors fall into, frankly, because that's what all they know. That's what they've been taught from, from early age that this is, you know, this is the way you help people and they want to go help somebody.

[00:08:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And this is, they're taught, this is the best available evidence. This is the best way to approach it. This is if you want to really, you know, practice evidence based medicine and do the real right thing. You need to go to, you know, a school where you're going to learn how to do that, and that's going to be a school that's, you know, ranks high on the U.

[00:08:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi: S. News and World Report, uh, in terms of medical schools. 

[00:08:53] Conflict of Interest in Medical Practice

[00:08:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And, look, I mean, I have ultimate compassion for these colleagues. I will just say that, [00:09:00] Uh, they, from day one, uh, were lied to, have been lied to, are continuing to be lied to, and, uh, are continuing to be lied to, because that is how they keep the profit. engine of the medical industry churning 

[00:09:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: sounds super robust doesn't it robust machine 

[00:09:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi: it is absolutely and at this point it's you know over 100 years old so it's not like a new machine this is like you know a machine Something that's been going for quite a while and I'm in this unique position where I'm both sort of part of the system but I'm so at the periphery in the edge of the system because I'm you know, a naturopathic physician and because I'm in private practice That I don't Profit from the system as it exists [00:10:00] And so because I don't profit from the system, but I'm still part of it, I can critique it in ways that most of the doctors who are profiting from the system are not able to do because there's this big, you know, elephant in the room, which is the conflict of interest of like, well, you know, I'm, of course I'm practicing the best medicine because that's The medicine that everybody does.

[00:10:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And that's the that's what my colleagues do. And that's what we all know is the, you know, standard of care. But the question is, where did that standard of care come from? Well, a lot of times it comes from lately, you know, especially in the last decade, increasingly hospital administrators deciding, you know, bean counters basically saying, well, what's How can we maximize profits and minimize costs?

[00:10:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Oh, okay. Well, we'll, we'll make this the new protocol, right? And because that's going to maximize profits and minimize costs. And speaking 

[00:10:58] Mrs. Madi Partovi: of hospital, 

[00:10:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi: and they [00:11:00] assume that that's the, the doctors assume, well, that's must be based on the best evidence because the guy who did it is an administrator, but he also has an MD after his name.

[00:11:08] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Well, yeah, but he probably hasn't practiced medicine in 25 years, you know, because he's basically become a full time administrator. But you said you were saying, 

[00:11:18] Mrs. Madi Partovi: yeah, the American board of internal medicine, 

[00:11:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi: you want to talk about that? Yeah, 

[00:11:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I do. 

[00:11:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I do go for it. 

[00:11:24] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Dr. Corey and Dr. Merrick, Dr. Verone, I think some others of the FLCCC are now misinformationists. 

[00:11:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah. McCullough, I believe, is also McCullough, 

[00:11:35] Mrs. Madi Partovi: yes. 

[00:11:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And he's not part of the board of the FLCCC, but he's considered an ally, for sure. 

[00:11:40] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. And they're looking to revoke the, uh The boards of these doctors. 

[00:11:44] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Well, and that's, you know, that's doesn't surprise me in the least. 

[00:11:48] Mrs. Madi Partovi: These doctors have transcended a couple of things. These doctors have transcended, you know, that system. Like, why would they want to even work in a hospital system anymore, you know, after what happened? One, [00:12:00] ABIM, you know, go for it because you're just going to show your, you know, your, your tail. And, and support everybody like us. in building this parallel system. 

[00:12:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah, I mean, you know, I actually think it's great that they're showing their true colors because what it's really doing is Is it's created an environment where we have more allies than ever before and more and more of them are MDs and DOs You know, when I was in school, and frankly, for the first decade after school, you know, you either sort of went to the conventional medical conferences where everything was drugs and surgery, or you went to the naturopathic holistic conferences where there was maybe a peppering of a few MDs, but it was mostly the Uh, and maybe some DOs, but most, it was mostly naturopathic doctors, acupuncturist, chiropractors, you know, people in more of like the, [00:13:00] the integrative, uh, holistic, natural medicine world.

[00:13:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Now I go to conferences and it's like 80 percent MDs, right? It's like, what the heck? And it's not, and they're not talking about drugs and surgery. I mean, drugs get mentioned, but it's, it's like 80 percent MDs. Things like keto, ketosis, fasting, 

[00:13:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: autophagy, 

[00:13:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi: uh, autophagy supported by intermittent fasting and time delayed eating, you know, herbs, detoxification, you know, chronic Lyme disease, all the stuff that I've been hearing about for years, of course.

[00:13:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi: When's 

[00:13:38] Mrs. Madi Partovi: the next conference? 

[00:13:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi: These conferences. The MDs that I've met at the conferences are, I love seeing the the waking up that's happened. It's a beautiful thing. 

[00:13:49] Mrs. Madi Partovi: It is. 

[00:13:50] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And I, you know, I told Madi, I mean, I've had this view since I was really starting my journey as a naturopathic physician. I [00:14:00] said, look, you know, if everybody was practicing medicine naturopathically tomorrow, if I woke up and everyone, the whole world was practicing the way I practice, I'd say, great, I can retire and do something else, you know, but I, I think that until then we've got to keep fighting the fight.

[00:14:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And the cool thing is we're winning. You know, 

[00:14:16] Mrs. Madi Partovi: it's 

[00:14:16] Dr. Ryan Partovi: like the more they scream, the more they yell, the more they kick us off the boards, the more they try to silence us and revoke our licenses and everything else, the stronger we get because the more people realize how absolutely corrupt and bankrupt the system is.

[00:14:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi: You know, as long as we were sort of this fringe minority that sort of left over here and diversity of thought was welcome, you know, under the, as long as you went and got the MD and after your name, you could kind of do whatever it is that you needed to do. And you could disagree and that was fine. No problem.

[00:14:52] Dr. Ryan Partovi: But then the moment they started kicking people out who disagreed, it's sort of like, Oh, I see what you guys are up to. [00:15:00] 

[00:15:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi: You know, it's so remarkable about you. Tell me. I call you the doctor of doctors. You're so used to being called a quack quack all your life. So you are so unwavering and so, you know, unbreakable, you know, in the face of that and you keep going. Well, all doctors are quacks. I say this all the time. Nobody wants to hear it, right? All doctors are quacks. All doctors are giving their best educated guess as to what's going on in your body. We think we know a little bit, but the truth of the matter is, is that The more you learn, the more you realize how much we don't know.

[00:15:39] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And at the end of the day, all doctors are just giving their educated guess as to whatever's going on in your body and their educated guess as to what's most likely to make a difference for you. Do I know that a particular treatment is going to make the difference for you? No. And any doctor who tells you, oh, this is definitely going to cure your whatever, is a snake oil salesman.

[00:15:59] Dr. Ryan Partovi: [00:16:00] You know, but I would just say that given that you can be with somebody who knows he's a quack or you can go to somebody who thinks he's God, which is, you know, 

[00:16:11] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I'd prefer that. 

[00:16:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Keep an eye out for those, 

[00:16:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi: the one with integrity and the lion's heart. But I mean, just, I mean, everybody's encountered That doctor, and I'm not going to pick on any particular specialty, but everybody's encountered that doctor who, like, you're like, this guy thinks he's God, right? You know what I'm talking about. Oh, heck 

[00:16:27] Mrs. Madi Partovi: yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 

[00:16:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And that doesn't, that doesn't diminish the fact that there are some amazing physicians out there, conventional and integrative holistic, who are absolutely able to, um, You know, God's help, I would say, uh, create some real miracles for people.

[00:16:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I mean, you know, I, I've certainly seen my fair share, but I would just say that, with God's grace, right? I mean, that's, that's not, there's no way that I can really say that, like, you know what I mean? Like, like, it's not, [00:17:00] I mean, there's no way for me to say, like, okay, yeah, that was definitely me that did that.

[00:17:04] Dr. Ryan Partovi: You know, I mean, I may have that hubristic thought from time to time, but you know, then I have to kind of laugh at myself. It's important to keep that in perspective. I 

[00:17:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: have butterflies because you touched on that. you're, you're used to being, you know, called that black. What? Well, 

[00:17:20] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Dr. D'Adamo, my mentor, he used to say, Ryan, you see that certificate on my wall, which is his license to practice naturopathic medicine. He said that is a certificate from the state of Connecticut, uh, authorizing me to be out of my mind because according to the other guys down the street.

[00:17:37] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I'm crazy. So he said, look, I'm, I'm legally authorized to be nuts. So, you know, I, I took that on. I love that. I love Peter's philosophy about 

[00:17:48] Mrs. Madi Partovi: it. Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm learning how to deal with that and be with that. Um, you know, I get some nice nasty letters, you know, after I write newsletters sometimes, [00:18:00] you know, I remember writing one about, um, Uh, cancer and in our experience, you know what we've seen and um, I Some some nice nasties and then how do you sleep at night?

[00:18:13] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, uh, and i'll i'll be honest, you know, my initial reaction was 

[00:18:17] Mrs. Madi Partovi: like a baby Well, okay. I'll be honest. I'm human, right? So my initial, my initial, I was 

[00:18:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi: talking about myself. Not, not her. Sorry. I sleep like a baby. That's a fact. She will back this up. 

[00:18:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes. Uh, my I'm human. 

[00:18:33] Dr. Ryan Partovi: You know, 

[00:18:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: uh, And then I took a deep breath and I actually consulted your legal brain about, you know, how, how to respond, you know, in a, um, in a way that, you know, really captures my, my highest level of being. So you supported me with that. Um, so I actually responded back to this guy, um, like really getting him.

[00:18:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, I, [00:19:00] I get that something that I wrote, you know, you're having a reaction to, and if you pinpoint, you know, exactly what it is, I would be happy to take a look at that, you know, and if it's, um, uh, if it's something I need to recant, I will absolutely do that. Uh, I didn't hear back. 

[00:19:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:19:20] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. But whatever, whatever it is that has people react, You know, I, I always, I'm, I'm choosing to, cause I know it's not about me, they're dealing with out there, you know, may they be healed.

[00:19:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi: May they, you know, um, I feel like we could do a whole podcast on reactions, 

[00:19:35] Mrs. Madi Partovi: reactions. Yeah. Like, may they have the opportunity to actually address that in a healthy way, you know, so that, um, their discourse doesn't have to be like writing some nasty letter. You know, um, yeah, 

[00:19:51] Dr. Ryan Partovi: but look, I mean, people, other people have different opinions.

[00:19:54] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Obviously, we have very strong bias, which I think we're, you know, we see a [00:20:00] lot of the failures of conventional medicine. So I think that because of that, it sort of puts a lot of the, the, the weak points in the conventional medical system in strong relief for us. It's like, oh, wow. You know, and I think that there's probably biases that we have in that realm that maybe we're not present to this.

[00:20:19] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I'm sure there's, there's areas where, you know, they look at us and they say, you know, I mean, I think what I think, you know, my, I have five conventional medical doctors in my family. I'm like the black sheep in that sense. But, um, my uncle, um, who's an emergency medicine physician now retired, he once said to me, you know, the biggest problem I have with what you're doing is is that you make some money off of the stuff you prescribe, which is true.

[00:20:47] Dr. Ryan Partovi: We make about 10 percent of our monthly income from the nutraceuticals, the natural medicines, uh, which are food derived medicines, botanical herbal medicines that, that I prescribe in the practice. And he said, that's a [00:21:00] conflict of interest. And, um, and I agree it is, it is somewhat of a conflict of interest.

[00:21:06] Dr. Ryan Partovi: What I would say is that at the very worst, I might prescribe, let's say one thing that you maybe, I think will help you, but you could possibly have gotten by without it. Right. That's sort of the concern. And I would say, look, at worst case scenario, you're getting side benefits from that. You know, like it's having antioxidant effects.

[00:21:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi: It's, you know, slowing down aging. It's helping to preserve some other aspect of your health. I mean, that's just the nature of the kind of things I prescribe. It's like, they're not like, oh, you know, I prescribe you this unnecessary thing. And as a result of that, you're going to get some horrible side effect that's going to cause a disease for you.

[00:21:42] Dr. Ryan Partovi: That's just not how nutraceuticals work. But. Let's say that there's a cost overrun, right? There's a financial piece there where it's like, Oh, you know, you could have saved a little money, had. You know, there have been some third party involved. Okay. Maybe so, but then you have the inefficiency of [00:22:00] having a third party, right?

[00:22:01] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So there's that whole thing where the, the intermediary likes to mark things up. And if you doubt that, just look at how much it costs to produce the drugs that are sold at your local retail pharmacy versus how much they, they charge for them. Uh, I think you'll be a little shocked. Um, but I, I bring this up really to get to where I was headed, which is.

[00:22:25] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Uh, We're really open about this. This is something we're happy. We talk about it all the time and really share about it really openly. How many medical oncologists that you visit are going to tell you 60 to 70 percent of my annual income comes from the chemotherapy that I prescribe? I don't know. I've never heard.

[00:22:46] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I mean, maybe one. We heard one patient who said that his doctor told him that, but I think that for the most part, they don't talk about that. It's not something that they're open about. Um, and there's a huge, I mean, massive [00:23:00] conflict of interest there. You know, I just to me, um, if I were making 60 to 70 percent of my income from taking the treatments, you know, that I was administering to you, marking them up and then billing your insurance for, you know, 10 times what I paid for them so that I could make some margin.

[00:23:23] Dr. Ryan Partovi: I just would feel like that. Would make me a totally unreliable actor when it comes to my prescribing of those treatments and yet people see medical oncology is really like the, not only the gateway to, to, to oncologic care, but really the gold standard, you know, that's, you know, your medical oncologist is the one who tells you what you should do for your cancer.

[00:23:48] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And yet they're profiting tremendously off of the advice they're giving. So, I mean, I don't see how that's not six to seven times worse just based on the math, [00:24:00] you know? Um, but you know, this is something that I think sometimes even the people in other specialties are not present to, right? So I said, my uncle's in emergency medicine.

[00:24:12] Dr. Ryan Partovi: He's not an oncologist. He doesn't know the, the billing structure of how it works for an oncologist that's in private practice. You know, I mean, why would he? So, but a lot of oncologists are in fact either in private practice or they work as part of a group practice. That's usually what it looks like where there'll be, you know, 10 oncologists together, but they're all obviously benefiting off of the sale of the, of the chemo.

[00:24:38] Dr. Ryan Partovi: So yeah, I mean, it's a, it's interesting. And like I said, you know, there's, as you peel back the onions and the layers of this system, you start to see the corruption emerge and. You know, I mean, I'm open to whatever kind of critiques people have of what we do. I probably will acknowledge them and say, [00:25:00] yeah, no, that's a good point, you know, but, um, I think that there's not, there's not that openness and willingness to acknowledge the corruption inside of the conventional system.

[00:25:14] Dr. Ryan Partovi: They're sort of seen as like, oh, these guys can do no wrong, right? Like this, the ivory tower, you know, like. And whatever they're doing is just the best of the best. And it's for you, the patient, you know? Yeah, right. 

[00:25:28] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:25:29] Personal Stories and Reflections

[00:25:29] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So I want to intentionally wrap up this episode. Um, first I'd like to share, uh, about Beverly, our neighbor.

[00:25:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Um, so within five months, of being diagnosed. Stage four. Um, she was on home hospice, uh, and she was taking like she she was on chemo. She could no longer eat. Um, [00:26:00] and every time I texted her wanting to see her, you know, she would just delay it, delay it, delay it. She's like right across the street and came to a point where, you know, I, um, I had a fear, you know, around seeing her as well.

[00:26:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Cause I knew that she wouldn't look the same. You know, every time I caught a glimpse of her across the street, she looked very different, the scarf on. Um, and then I just, I said, uh, so I texted her very insistent, uh, and she said that you and I could come over. She doesn't want to scare the kids. And then I, I texted her back.

[00:26:45] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I said, Beverly, like, whatever it is you look like right now, like it, you're still essence of Beverly. You know, our, our older child, you know, wants to see you. He [00:27:00] loves her. I remember when he was three years old, she had family over her daughter was over. Um, we were talking on the street and just being joyful with each other and connecting and he kind of keeled over his three year old body and said, I just love her and Bev, and it was so beautiful.

[00:27:26] Mrs. Madi Partovi: You know, and I, um, so within five months of her diagnosis, she passed. And I still look at that empty house, you know, there's no more meeting in the middle of the street and that embrace and her dropping off, you know, little cute gifts for the kids and, you know, babysitting them in a pinch. And just, I miss that.

[00:27:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: She had a post COVID diagnosis, by the way, [00:28:00] and deteriorated very quickly. Um, so Beverly ultimately says, okay. Come on over, come on over. So all four of us, you know, you and I and um, Ryan, who's now seven, and Jean-Luc is two. And we spent an hour, you know, talking and loving on her and she let me give her a massage.

[00:28:30] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Um, 'cause you know, it's painful, you know, being in her condition and laying down like that all the time. Mm-Hmm. , um. And Preci, you know, his nickname is Preci, Precious, Precioso, Ryan just loved on her. And then when we came home, um, he, he looked at you and he said, or he told us, Daddy, she looks [00:29:00] different.

[00:29:04] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And you said, in the next moment after you said this, you got that it was a, a projection. You know, you said, does she, is it scary? And he said, no, delicate.

[00:29:23] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And my heart just, like, I felt like I was like on my knees, you know, in the presence of such godly beauty in that moment of our child, because he doesn't have frail, he doesn't have weak, you know, he doesn't have, um, scary, all those stories. And it was such a beautiful, huh, that little voice, delicate, no daddy, delicate.

[00:29:56] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So in the few days of just being with this beauty and being with the [00:30:00] connection with her, um, I made an agreement with myself and the agreement was, is that I would make her passing make a difference for me and for our practice and what we're up to in the world. You know, and that agreement that I made for myself is not sufficient unless I share it, right?

[00:30:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: So I'm sharing it with you, and I'm sharing it with, you know, our community, that that is what, um, I am giving my word to constitute myself.

[00:30:36] Mrs. Madi Partovi: To wake up and to take those actions, like, how can I be a force multiplier in supporting as many people as possible? You know, on this journey, this very distinct, um, uncertain journey, sometimes scary and terrifying, um, overwhelming journey that they're on.[00:31:00] 

[00:31:03] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Thank you, by the way, for loving me and accepting me for, and, and really providing the space for me to go through all of my emotions. Sure. Yeah. Because for me, sometimes it's a lot, and I, um, you know, this is the way that I, on, on the fly, you know, process. And integrate what I'm learning and what I'm dealing with and what I'm seeing and what I'm feeling so that I could show up in a way that, um, is peaceful, you know, and loving.

[00:31:40] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. So, okay. And 

[00:31:43] Dr. Ryan Partovi: thank you for doing what you need to do to be able to do that. Because that obviously makes It makes our lives work. So 

[00:31:52] Mrs. Madi Partovi: yeah, I think I'd be very angry like all the time did move through this. Um, so [00:32:00] I'm gonna I'd love to end this by, um, kind of showing how I do this. And so I'm going to shift the subject real quick.

[00:32:10] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And, you know, sometimes we're so Like in the last week, we've been so busy, and I haven't had the opportunity to share with you, like, the highlight of, um, my day, and it's, uh, picking up our seven year old son from school, and this might be, like, a, a prelude to, you know, what we talk about, um, in, about the educational system.

[00:32:34] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I was late picking him up this certain day, right, and walked into the school, and he was at the, at the front, and he was peacefully reading a book, and he was so engrossed in the book, yeah, and I thought that he would, um, fuss, you know, about me being late, but no, there was no fussing, he was just so engrossed in this book, he said, hi mama, and he started sharing about what he was reading, and I thought it was just so, um, sweet, [00:33:00] Okay.

[00:33:01] Mrs. Madi Partovi: I'm not in trouble for being late. I won. and then he gets into the car and I ask him, you know, what, um, what was the highlight of your day? What were your favorites? You know, did you feel loved? And then all of a sudden he came alive so beautifully and so brilliantly. And he said, mama, we did science today.

[00:33:22] Dr. Ryan Partovi: And the science teacher, you know, did a magic trick. And we experimented on, on, um, absorbency, you know, absorbency technology and your life would be very hard, you know, if you didn't have that technology, you know, because of John looks still in diapers. Right. And, and, you know, And then he just, um, he was on a riff, you know, if we didn't have science and technology, there wouldn't be any light, there wouldn't be any cars, you know, there wouldn't be any, any Chuck E. Cheese or video games for that matter. The priorities of a seven year old boy. 

[00:33:58] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yes, it was just [00:34:00] so, uh, I had the rear view mirror down so I could see his face and I was just like, woo! Is that mine? We made that! You know, we're providing the space for him to, uh, to discover and to explore and to be fully self expressed. And it was just so, ah, so beautiful.

[00:34:22] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And it is, and we have been on quite a hero's journey. Um, you know, being, having interviewed. 12 heads of school. 13 now, you know, with this new school. 

[00:34:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:34:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And making a powerful choice. You know about his advisor? Actually, 

[00:34:35] Dr. Ryan Partovi: 14. . We looked at 

[00:34:37] Mrs. Madi Partovi: 13 U 14, because I wasn't there with you, 

[00:34:40] Dr. Ryan Partovi: right? Oh, maybe so. Oh, 

[00:34:42] Mrs. Madi Partovi: oh no, you're right.

[00:34:43] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 14. I think actually the one I toured by myself was considered part of the original 12. I don't know. Okay. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Hero's journey. It was a lot. But you know, just having him show up this way, uh, and I, I'm a big feeler. You know, my, one of my superpowers [00:35:00] is, um, empathy.

[00:35:02] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Whew. And I could feel his peacefulness and his ease. And it's joy, and it was such a, like, such a win. So I've been waiting to share that with you! Oh my gosh, this is so beautiful! 

[00:35:17] Dr. Ryan Partovi: for doing it. 

[00:35:19] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Yeah. 

[00:35:21] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Well, I love to hear that he's loving science, because I love science. 

[00:35:25] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah! I've had 

[00:35:27] Dr. Ryan Partovi: a love affair with science since I was At least in sixth grade, if not earlier.

[00:35:32] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Go ahead. 

[00:35:33] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Right, and then he said, um, and then we had, I had drama, um, music, and art, and, and conflict resolution. That as a kid. 

[00:35:49] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Right, right. 

[00:35:51] Mrs. Madi Partovi: Like, resolution. I 

[00:35:53] Dr. Ryan Partovi: think we all could use a little more conflict resolution in this country these days. 

[00:35:59] Mrs. Madi Partovi: [00:36:00] Yeah. So this planet, 

[00:36:00] Dr. Ryan Partovi: frankly, 

[00:36:01] Mrs. Madi Partovi: really exciting that, um, he's in a space where he can think critically, you know, it's so, I think it's so essential for, uh, children, especially in this day and age. 

[00:36:14] Conclusion and Final Thoughts

[00:36:14] Mrs. Madi Partovi: so thank you all for joining us on this episode of The Partovi Effect creating the Consensus. I am Dr. Ryan Partovi. 

[00:36:27] Mrs. Madi Partovi: And I'm Mrs. Madi Partovi. 

[00:36:30] Dr. Ryan Partovi: Thank you so much for joining us. Be well.