The Extra
The Extra is a podcast hosted by Crosspoint Christian Church in Conyers, Georgia. Senior Minister, Curtis Zehner, and his friend, Ken Pierce, talk through each week's sermon unpacking the extra material that didn't make the cut for the weekend message. Curtis' and Ken's conversational and relaxed style lend itself to listeners of all ages and spiritual maturities.
The Extra
Genesis pt. 2 | Cain and Abel
What if the story of Cain and Abel holds the secret to navigating modern-day struggles like addiction or the fear of scarcity? With Ken Pierce as our insightful guest, we journey through Genesis Chapter 4, highlighting the compelling choices faced by the first humans born outside of Eden. Together, we explore the timeless battle between doing good and succumbing to sin, drawing poignant parallels with today's challenges. Our discussion sheds light on the allure of temptation and the emptiness it often brings, while celebrating the fulfillment found in choosing paths aligned with God's goodness.
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On today's episode, ken Pierce and I continue the conversation on Cain and Abel in Genesis, chapter 4. Welcome to the Extra, hey Ken.
Speaker 2:Hey, how's it?
Speaker 1:going Good man, Good to have you back.
Speaker 2:It's good to be back. Last week was super busy.
Speaker 1:No doubt.
Speaker 2:But now I can't, for the life of me, think what I was doing besides this. Honestly, I can't think of what took me away from it. But I'm here now.
Speaker 1:So we're good, yeah, good to have you back. We've been talking through Genesis.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We started a couple of weeks ago. Just you know. We're going to study where Jesus is all throughout the scriptures. Last week was about Genesis as a whole. We talked about the structure of Genesis and new beginnings was the theme. This week we jumped into Genesis, chapter four. So we kind of skipped over, like the meat and potatoes of the creation narrative and jumped into the narrative of the first born humans on the outside of the garden. Not that there were humans born on the inside of the garden the bible doesn't say anything about.
Speaker 2:Were there any kids in the garden, the first fully human, human the first. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, I never born of two humans, uh-huh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, never thought of it that way. Okay, so in that way they are a new beginning. Yeah, the first. Yeah, wow, ken, dropping some knowledge. I think you literally just dropped a microphone, didn't you? Yeah?
Speaker 2:I did. There is one on the ground. So in the end of the sermon you were sort of summing things up, where I like the habit that preachers get into. They start listing are you this or that, this or that, and you do that really well. To sum things up, if, if you're going through a list like that, are you trying to sum up the entire idea of the sermon? This is just an inside baseball thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay what was, what was it? I've got my sermon notes open. Help me remember.
Speaker 2:I honestly can't remember the list that you produced but I guess it was really convicting then it was super convicting, but the thing that I latched onto is you were talking about doing things, or seeing things, or taking part in things that ultimately leave you empty. It was full versus empty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it kind of came from this idea of the choice right that Cain was given the choice, just like Abel was given the choice, and his parents before them were given the choice. For them, they were in the garden the choice to do good or to not do good. That's the way God puts it in Genesis 4, 6, and 7. He said to Cain the Lord said why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is good, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do good, sin is crouching at your door. It desires to have you, but you must rule over it. It's the choice to do good or to not do good, and we all face that choice every day.
Speaker 1:It's not a one-time thing, and the idea of choosing things that are good or that just look like they're going to be good I think I was likening that to the tree of knowledge of good and evil versus the tree of life. Right, eve saw the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and it was good. It's the same word. It's the Hebrew word tov T-O-V, and it means that it looked good, like it looked pleasing. You ever had a good juicy apple?
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh man you can't beat a nice green juicy apple to me.
Speaker 2:I like the green ones With a hint of sour.
Speaker 1:A hint of sour, yeah. Oh man, it's like the way you bite into it. Yeah, it's just so satisfying it's crisp. Yeah, man, it's just so satisfying, it's crisp. Yeah, and it gets a nice crack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you got a beard like you and I have it kind of gets in your beard a little bit, right, and so you gotta like, lick your lips a little bit and get that right, like that's what. That's what eve saw in the fruit that she was holding. It was good, but it was not good, right, right it was. It actually led to a lot of terrible problems. You could say emptiness that it did not fill her the way that she thought it was. It actually led to a lot of terrible problems.
Speaker 1:You could say emptiness that it did not fill her the way that she thought it was going to fill her, but it also led to fracture in her relationship with her creator. It created tension between she and her husband. It created tension between the two of them and the ground that they were living on. It created pain, physical pain, in childbirth. For her, it didn't create childbirth. It created the pain of childbirth, and not just in labor, but also in raising children and the pain of losing children sooner than you should. Right, and she experiences all of that in the very next chapter, right, and she thought that what looked good was going to be good for her, but it wasn't. It was empty.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whereas God offers us good, and if we choose God's good, it does fill us up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a perfect analog to addiction.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I had a clinical supervisor and she said recovery from addiction is nothing more than learning to live life without the perceived benefits of drugs and alcohol. Perceived benefits this drink of alcohol is helping me get over blank. This meth is helping me stay up at night. This cocaine is helping me forget about blank. It's helping me move on. It's helping me live my life? No, it's not. It might. You might think it is. Yeah, but what happens? When you come down? You're still you and your life is still your life, and it's actually now worse you're, it's looking at that vice as if it's the solution.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, like I've had a really rough day, I'll just have a few beers. Yeah, and that's my solution. Yeah, right, but then the problem is still there, uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Is that what you're saying? I need it to relax. I get that all the time.
Speaker 1:Why are you still?
Speaker 2:smoking marijuana, your own medically-assisted treatment, medication-assisted treatment? Well, I needed to relax. Are you going to fault me for wanting to relax? Okay, no, but there are ways to. I'm not accusing you of anything, but there are ways to relax that don't involve doing drugs.
Speaker 1:Right, those things are not the solution to your problem. So it's really what is your problem then, in order to identify what is a healthy solution for you? Yeah, is that part of what you have to do in counseling?
Speaker 2:That's all it is. Why can't you relax? Why can't you turn my mind off? Why can't you turn your mind off? You can say why all the way back to the beginning of time, but usually it's like three or four whys deep and you get to it. Why can't you relax? Can't turn my mind off? Why can't you turn your mind off? Well, I've never been able to. Why can't you do that? Well, it's because I grew up in a house dot, dot, dot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, there we go. How is the center of the Tootsie Pop, you know, like that's all you really need. And then you can talk for literally months about what kind of house did you grow up in? That's all you got to do. Yeah, counseling 101. You're all graduated.
Speaker 1:Now you're counselors, oh, now I can go do that, now you can do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So when I ask somebody why are you still smoking marijuana, it's because they say I need it. Once you turn a want into a need, that's very difficult. Once you turn a want into a need, it's hard to no. You don't need it. Well, who are you to tell me what I need?
Speaker 1:Well, so that's exactly what Satan does, or the serpent in Genesis, chapter 3. He convinces Eve that she needs this fruit right, and she says well, God said I will surely die. And he says, no, Did God? Say you would surely die, or let's pull it up Where's mine, he becomes a lawyer.
Speaker 2:He didn't say surely?
Speaker 1:Hey, you said it, not me, yeah, he became a lawyer. All right, handy dandy Bible app. No, like I use the Bible app a lot and this pop-up that comes up every now and then. Do you love the bible app, yes or no? Okay, if I click yes, which is true, I do love the bible app. Yeah, it's going to take me to this page where I have to rate and review it, but I don't want to do that, so is it wrong of me to just press no, say I don't love the bible app?
Speaker 2:you can. You cannot love the apps. That's not saying you don't love the bible I'm not going to do the review yeah I clicked it, I said yes and it gave me the option.
Speaker 1:I said no, I'm not going to do the review. You're not getting me today, not today, not today. Satan, that's what eve should have said in chapter three, the answer. I skipped down way too far, verse 3, but God did say you must not eat from the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden and you must not touch it or you will die. You will not certainly die. That's my Satan voice.
Speaker 2:You won't do that yeah.
Speaker 1:You won't certainly die.
Speaker 2:Smarmy.
Speaker 1:When I do voices of the books, when I read to my kids I get a little when there's a snake character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you won't certainly die. The serpent said to the woman, for god knows that when you eat fruit now I'm thinking about telling stories, my kid, verse five for god knows that when you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil. So he's convincing her that she needs this thing. Right now you don't have all the knowledge you could have, but if you just ate of this, then you will have all the knowledge. You'll be like God. And the sad truth is that they were already made in the image of God.
Speaker 2:Like we're already the most favored.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're already the greatest of all his creation, and we've been given the special mandate to rule over the rest of creation and we're made in his image.
Speaker 2:That's literally what somebody would say, if what the servant said there, literally what somebody would say to try to get you to do drugs, you don't have all the information that is available.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Open your mind and take these mushrooms.
Speaker 1:So it never changes.
Speaker 2:No, the way that Satan Temptation is always the same. It's the same. The way that Satan Temptation is always the same.
Speaker 1:It's the same. Satan will take the words of God and twist them just enough to make it sound like God said it, yeah, and then convince you that you need that thing. Right, you know? Yeah. So that's the choice. We can choose to align with God's will and eat of the tree of life, with God's will and eat of the tree of life, or we can choose to not align with God's will and try and take life into our own hands, create our own knowledge, yeah, in other words, that's where you get in real trouble.
Speaker 1:Oh, definitely. But that's the story of Cain and Abel too, you know. To bring us back full circle to Genesis 4. The story of Cain and Abel too. To bring us back full circle to Genesis 4, Cain was given the choice, just like it says in verse 6 and 7. If you do what's good, then you'll get what I gave to Abel. You will be accepted.
Speaker 2:Good begets good.
Speaker 1:And the second part of that is, if you don't do good, well, sin is crouching at your door like an animal and it will destroy you, but you must rule over it. Okay, so there's two big things here that I'm like ping-ponging in my brain. The first is that sin is an animal part. That's that sin is an animal part. God indicates that we can resist that, that temptation, that sin that's crouching in our door, that ugly animal that's. You know, I just I'm picturing this disfigured creature who's like banging on the door and like wants to get in your house. You've never seen a creature like that before and it's scary, except that most of the time uh, now that I'm actually thinking about it, most of the times sin looks pleasurable yeah, and so it's not scary, it's luring you in.
Speaker 2:It looks good yeah, it looks good oh, just like eve, and helpful and healthy it looked. Yeah, it looks like everything you want it to look like, of course.
Speaker 1:But it's an animal and it will control you. In fact it desires to control you. God says but you can Curtis whoever's listening. You must rule over it, which means you have the capacity to say no. In that choice scenario, Say no, yeah, and on the other side of that, say yes to the good of God, Say yes to aligning yourself with his will, because there will be enough for you. You will be satisfied. Look at how God says it in that verse. If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:There was a um a Bible scholar who I can't remember who it was now, but he like, uh, you remember being in kindergarten and like, you're out on the playground and you and your best friend are playing on the playground Right and another kid comes over and wants to play with you. I was the type of kid that was like no, we're playing our own thing. Yeah, in fact I was like that in high school. We had a friend group.
Speaker 2:And then Mac comes over.
Speaker 1:No, Mac was part of that friend group your brother-in-law. There were three of us. We called ourselves the tripod Great. We were the tripod. We're perfectly balanced.
Speaker 2:Who's number two? Who's number three?
Speaker 1:Number four came in Right. So, oh, number three was a guy named Kyle. Okay, yeah, so Kyle and me and Mac, we were the tripod and we were brothers. It all started when your father-in-law took us to an Outback steakhouse one night for Mac's birthday. We, our friendship, was solidified ever since. So, our little tripod, there was this fourth dude in in high school with us and I'll I'll never forget resisting letting him be a part of our friend group.
Speaker 2:That's funny.
Speaker 1:And I I like, I don't know. It was like I had this fear that, like the closeness that Mac and Kyle and I had was going to get ruined, or that I wouldn't have enough to give to Daniel, who was coming into the friend group, right? Or that he was going to take something away from me by preoccupying you know, this is the psychoanalysis years later that you start to think about.
Speaker 1:But it's like this human feeling of there's not going to be enough, like there's a scarcity of goodness for me and so I've got to do whatever it takes to maintain the goodness that I have. And that's what God's saying to Cain here If you do good, there will be enough for you, because God is the one giving it to you. So this scarcity that you're feeling, that there's not going to be enough for you, dude, there is enough for you if you just choose to align with me, just choose to do good.
Speaker 2:And you can attribute scarcity and that fear of scarcity to the fall too yeah so, and in its original paradise iteration, the, the garden was plentiful. They had everything they needed, right, yep. And then either the knowledge, either the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And then now you got to till the soil, and now you got to work.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So all of a sudden there's scarcity, just like that.
Speaker 1:They were tricked into thinking that there was scarcity because they didn't have what? The tree of knowledge of evil?
Speaker 2:had for them.
Speaker 1:Satan said and I won't go back and quote it again or read it again but he said God knows that if you eat of this tree, you'll know everything. Essentially, you'll know good and bad. So now he's implanted in their heads that they have a scarcity.
Speaker 2:Oh, there is something we don't.
Speaker 1:There is something I don't have, and even though God has told us that we have everything in him, there's something I don't have. And God, the whole time is like but listen, that might look good, but it's not good. I have enough for you. I have enough.
Speaker 2:How does that play?
Speaker 1:out in our everyday Christian life. Ken.
Speaker 2:I'm in the middle of examining that Because I come up against human depravity all the time in my office and I'm like, how did you get there?
Speaker 2:You started off in basically the same situation. I was Two parents, two siblings, you know, lived just outside of town, whatever. Once I get to know them and I'm like, played sports, you know, you went to high school and then all of a sudden, you didn't graduate high school. What happened? Fell in with the wrong crowd. Okay, what does that crowd tell you? It tells you you need something that you don't have, but the thing they tell you you need you don't actually need. There you go, serpent.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:In the modern world right, Once you start connecting those dots, once you start seeing it broadly like that everything makes so much sense. It's like well. I know why that happened. It's because of the fall. I know why that happened it's because of the fall and you can trace it all the way back. People are so scared of running out of stuff and food and everything.
Speaker 1:Scarcity is bad. It is bad. It's a terrifying thing that I wouldn't have enough for me, number one, but now I have a family and that I wouldn't have enough for my wife or my children. That's a very scary thought. But that's what makes Jesus such a maverick, just like this wild.
Speaker 1:Who are you? Because he comes on the scene and in Matthew, chapter six, he says look at the birds of the air and the flowers of the field. Like the birds, just go on about life. They don't worry about where the next worm comes from. It's just there. God takes care of them. Look at the flowers of the field. They look so beautiful right now. God has clothed them. He's clothed them so beautifully, even though tomorrow the gardener is going to come and cut them up and they'll sit in a vase on your kitchen table for about a week and then they'll wilt and you'll throw them in the trash or in the fire because it's snowing outside and you need a heat source, right, those things will be gone so quickly. So think of how much more your heavenly father takes care of you.
Speaker 1:Who are you know, if you're linking all of these hyperlinks from the Bible you, the greatest of God's creation, his image bearing human beings. How much more will God take care of you? He says don't worry about what you're going to eat or what you're going to drink. Don't focus on that stuff. God will take care of you, but instead focus on God's kingdom. Seek first the kingdom of heaven and his righteousness and all these things, meaning the provisions of life, are going to be added to you. That's how he taught us to pray.
Speaker 1:I feel like I've said this recently on the podcast, so, forgive me, it must be. I mean, it is like a personal study point of mine right now. But the Lord's Prayer. When he prayed, jesus teaches us how to pray. Our Father, who is in heaven, may your name be made holy. Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts as we forgive those who are indebted to us. Deliver us from, lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. And then some versions end with for thine is the kingdom, the power, the glory, forever and ever and amen. That little in-between part right. Give us today our daily provision, literally. What are we going to eat today? God's going to give it to you. Yeah, give it to me today. What did I have to eat today? I went to sonic for lunch today. I have a love hate relationship with sonic well, this sonic right here.
Speaker 2:It used to be so slow that I hated it but still loved it when I got it.
Speaker 1:But so did, so did I provide that for myself today, right? Or did God provide that for me today? I paid for it, but where did I get the money for?
Speaker 2:that Sonic today. It's all a process.
Speaker 1:And then beyond how did I pay for it? How did how was it prepared in the restaurant? Like, did those workers actually make that food for me? I mean, yeah, like, who gave them the ability to make the food for me? That's a more modern view on it, but think about the ancient view of, like, how does food grow from ground?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did this and now this happened.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But I didn't do anything in the interim, I mean have you ever like planted a garden or anything Like?
Speaker 1:you've seen those videos on YouTube that are like time lapse of growing tomato plants or something the seed in the glass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's amazing Right.
Speaker 1:They put the seed in the soil and then like pour some water on it and like magically, within 15 seconds it grows into this huge plant yeah. With food on the end of the stem yeah, but the person in the video did nothing except pour water on it. Yeah, I'm not doing anything, I'm just letting it happen and even more essentially or or not essentially um that person's pouring water on into the but God is the one who provides rain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't make the water.
Speaker 1:Right? So if you're planting a field in the ancient times, you don't have an irrigation system, right, man, am I getting off on a topic here? Yeah, but God's the one who even provides the rain for the field. You do nothing to grow that food. God has produced it for you. So in the prayer, jesus says God has produced it for you. So in the prayer, jesus says our daily provision of bread give to us today. And then, yeah, the very next couple of verses is don't worry about what you're going to eat or drink, god's going to provide that for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Another aspect of counseling that you could put on this is, I would say, if somebody felt overwhelmed and then we got into it and I realized okay, everything's going well for you, but why do you want so much? Why are like you want a lot of stuff that you really. You want a boat and you want a second house and you want your own business and you want this like but you, but you, you get paid hourly.
Speaker 1:So it's the principle of contentment. I would say, that's the vocab I would use.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But also it's just learning to trust that God has enough for you. Yeah, it's the print, like it's the cane story and not buying.
Speaker 2:And yeah, not buying into the lie that you need more than yeah it's the print like it's the cane story and not buying and yeah, not buying into the lie that you need more than yeah that you need more than you need.
Speaker 1:Man, that goes a lot deeper than just possessions. I've experienced that in my life about like where I live and like where I wanted, where I. You know we all have grown up dreams of where we want to end up right. And God has a way of putting you places that you didn't necessarily want to end up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's happened to me in my life and I wish that I had been more willing to accept sooner that God still had enough for me, even in those times where I was where I didn't want to be. It would have been a lot more pleasurable for me in those seasons. Sure, you know what I mean. Like I'm not where I want to, you know but it's another lie. It's another lie and you're you're making the choice not to align with with God. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're resisting him. Yeah, and it's like we were talking the seven deadly sins. Greed is certainly one. We were doing that off air. Yeah, I don't think we said that on. No, we didn't say that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's a whole other episode off air that we have, so greed is certainly one, and I'm a fan of certain types of greed. Like I want things for my family, you know, is that considered greed?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'm going to look it up. I'm going to look up the definition of greed. Keep going, keep going, though.
Speaker 2:If you want stuff over and above what you need, then that might be considered greed.
Speaker 1:But I want my family to be comfortable for generations to come. Is that greedy? I don't know. Greed Per the Oxford Dictionary intense and selfish desire for something especially wealth, power or food, An intense and selfish desire for something. It's not selfish. Yeah, that's not selfish.
Speaker 2:You want to set up your family in the best possible way, unselfish, but I'm not. I'm not trying to give my family something, either that they don't deserve in my mind or something that we could do without in my mind. You know, I just want them to have. I mean, I want that classic parent thing I want, I want Vivian to have a better life than I did but I had a real, but I had a really great life.
Speaker 2:Every parent wants that for their kid, no matter what style life my childhood was awesome, yeah so, but there's a bouncy house in our dining room right now that her grandmother gave her.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:So I didn't have that.
Speaker 1:My kids have way more toys than I ever had growing up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I had a rubber tire Like I'm like I had stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I had a stick. I had a stick and a ball and a ball.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I played baseball, I did all that stuff that makes me sound like I'm 75. But but they have so much stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And where does the contentment come from? Like so how do you teach?
Speaker 1:content. So maybe that's a question, maybe for the purpose of our conversation today, the meditation portion for you and I might be in my attempt to provide so much good for my family. That's's what we're doing. Yeah, we're trying to provide good for our families. In my attempt to do that, am I trusting that God has enough for me, even if I stopped trying to do those things? So, is it coming out of a fear of scarcity and I'm trying to take the reins of my life and make it happen for my family? Or am I trusting completely in a God who knows me personally and knows what I need and is faithful to provide it for me when I need it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's one thing that's always going to be a trouble for me, because I don't like going out on limbs, and that is a very thin limb you just described.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like I'm I was telling Bo and Lindsay Bird I met the other night I make very, I make very big decisions very quickly and then very small decisions that don't seem to matter. I go through a lot of research, go to consumer reports and things like that, but I decided in a matter of hours to propose to faith, like I went from you know what I could do. I could propose to faith. All the signs are there and everything's set up. That's a huge decision.
Speaker 1:But don't you think you were probably making that decision along the way, though? Oh yeah, like that's the point of like dating her and getting to know her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was checking all the boxes.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It's not like what is it Married at? First Sight that weird show.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, yeah, it's not like that. No, no.
Speaker 2:But obviously there was chemistry. Then I said you know what I love, Faith. I want to spend the rest of my life with her. And then there were these little boxes that got checked along the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then it occurred to me really quickly to propose to her.
Speaker 2:But if I'm going to buy like if you test me with buying a drum set for the church or something like that forget about it. It's not getting done this month. Are you going to take?
Speaker 1:time to research?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not getting done this month it's snowing?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I was just looking out to see if it was snowing. Someone just texted me and said it's snowing. I don't see any snow out there.
Speaker 2:I don't see any and I got a few inches of daylight I can see. I don't see anything.
Speaker 1:Okay, so here's where I'm landing personally. Maybe we can try and land the plane for anybody out there who has stuck with us this far and already made it work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my life, everything that I do, all the choices I make, even if it's from unselfish motivations, those things need to be shrouded under the lens of help me out. Ken of God is enough and has enough for me Through contentment colored glasses I know that was painful to get out of my mouth because I'm still workshopping it myself. This is a daily process for us. It's a sanctification thing. Jesus is enough for me. I was in the hospital with some people recently visiting. Some folks who one of their relatives was just having a tough time, was in the hospital, was there for a couple of and we were praying together and that's just been kind of a phrase lately for me. Jesus is enough for us.
Speaker 2:He certainly is, he is I've experienced it.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you go to our church, if you've been there for any length of time, you know that my family's been through some hard stuff this year and we're coming out on. I don't even know if we're, like, on the other side. I think maybe we're still in the ocean of like, you know, just sometimes the waves aren't as high as they can be, but we, we just I don't know if it was really a choice or if God has just shown it to us. Jesus really is enough for us, and it doesn't always feel like sunshine and rainbows.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But we have this security for our eternal future that Jesus really is enough for us. So sometimes life is terrible, yeah, so sometimes life is terrible and sometimes the choice is really hard and sometimes scarcity is like an animal that feels like it's going to attack me. But Jesus is enough for me and, man, I hope that anybody listening, I hope that maybe that's what you resonate with today that Jesus just truly is enough for us. Yeah, I feel like maybe we should have a prayer, but I'll leave that to you people. Maybe, after this podcast ends, you go and just like have some prayer time with God. Oh, all right. Next week we're going to be talking about Father Abraham. That's our next story in the book of Genesis. Okay, as we walk through this kind of A to Z, where is Jesus in the scripture? All right, folks, thanks for joining us today, as always. Check us out online, crosspointconyerscom. In the meantime, I'm Curtis and that's.
Speaker 2:Kim.
Speaker 1:I'm so terrible at outros.
Speaker 2:See you next week.
Speaker 1:Bye.