The Extra
The Extra is a podcast hosted by Crosspoint Christian Church in Conyers, Georgia. Senior Minister, Curtis Zehner, and his friend, Ken Pierce, talk through each week's sermon unpacking the extra material that didn't make the cut for the weekend message. Curtis' and Ken's conversational and relaxed style lend itself to listeners of all ages and spiritual maturities.
The Extra
No Empty Seat: The Power of One Invitation This Easter
What if multiplying your faith was both the simplest and most profound mission Jesus gave us? In this thought-provoking conversation, we dive deep into Crosspoint Christian Church's guiding principle: "Reaching for Jesus Plus One."
This isn't just a catchy slogan—it's a radical reframing of what discipleship looks like in everyday life. Following Jesus wholeheartedly while simultaneously bringing someone else along on that same journey creates exponential impact. As we unpack Luke 19:10, we see how Jesus himself modeled this approach: "For the Son of man came to seek and save the lost."
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At Crosspoint Christian Church, our motto is Reaching for Jesus Plus One. The question are you doubling yourself this Easter? Welcome to the Extra. What's happening, Ken Pierce? Oh, not much. How are you man? I'm good, I'm feeling it right now. Yeah, Feeling the groove. Sorry, I missed last week. Oh, yeah, Well, we missed you. I had somebody come up to me and say, dude, what happened to the podcast this week? I said what do you mean? Like we still had one. He said I don't know, it was only six minutes long.
Speaker 2:I need that 20-minute podcast To get me through my day.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Coco Coco. I know you're listening today.
Speaker 2:Who is that?
Speaker 1:Coco. He's a part of our Hispanic ministry.
Speaker 2:Okay, great.
Speaker 1:We are cross-cultural, Ken.
Speaker 2:That's cool, you know me and Faith, or Faith, has started having to speak Spanish around Vivian sometimes and I can understand a decent amount of Spanish because I took it all the way up through high school, one class in college and then French is similar to Spanish enough. And she's like, okay, I'm going to start speaking Spanish. And then she spoke for a decent length and I was like, okay, I got that. I'm not going to say anything back. I cannot speak it, but I'm pretty good at listening and understanding.
Speaker 1:That's the hard part. My Duolingo score is not very good. I was on it for a while. I did Spanish for one semester in college, so I took it through high school required and yeah, I always wanted to be fluent enough.
Speaker 2:It's a fun idea.
Speaker 1:It is a very fun idea Speaking more than one language. It's like if you can speak more than one language, you're automatically an intelligent person in the room the most intelligent person.
Speaker 2:Probably yeah.
Speaker 1:Whether you are or not.
Speaker 2:Statistically. Yeah, people will perceive you as that. Yeah, and I tried to get there. I tried to shortcut it. I tried to do Rosetta Stone. Yeah, it didn't work, just because you still have to learn it. You still have to do it you do. You can't just sit there and just absorb it.
Speaker 1:I fell for one of these get rich quick schemes. There was a dude on YouTube All his videos are. He goes into different language, like different, uh, cultures, yeah, and he learns enough of the language to have like the preliminary conversation. Okay, like hi, how are you? My name is yeah, oh, I, I do speak a little bit of this language. Yes, I've been practicing a lot. How am I? And I was like dang, this dude is awesome. Yeah, and he had a program that you could buy for like $120. And I bought it and instantly regretted it.
Speaker 2:It was 100% money back guarantee.
Speaker 1:So I bought it and five minutes later processed my refund request.
Speaker 2:I wonder how many they bank on you not wanting to do that, Not wanting to go through that trouble.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they bank on you trying it once, and then forgetting about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, being so mad I don't even want to look at it.
Speaker 1:I did get my money back, though. Okay, that's the moral of the story.
Speaker 2:My Spanish journey ended in college and I had the dreaded 8 am class every day. Oh gosh Like, why did I do that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, why?
Speaker 2:It was an immersion class, every day 8 am.
Speaker 1:And. I was like no thanks On a residential campus.
Speaker 2:That's the worst thing you should do yeah, walking across campus at 7.55 in the morning At the 7 hour.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I'll tell you, this past weekend was a great weekend. We just had a great time at church, great turnout, good attendance, and we had a kind of a deviation of how we've been's called a vision, mission, sermon, vision and mission of the church, and our motto at Crosspoint is reaching for Jesus plus one. Would you care to articulate what that means in your own words reaching for Jesus plus one?
Speaker 2:Want to take a stab at it. Yeah, sure. And to the layman, in my view, reaching for Jesus plus one is seek first the kingdom, as it says. Seek Jesus first. Take care of that, have that in your heart, have your heart and mind and soul right and then go out and, as you said on Sunday, double yourself. Yeah, make someone, make at least one other person like you in the.
Speaker 1:Make them like you, or make them like you.
Speaker 2:Make them similar to you in that they are now seeking the kingdom. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, syntax pal. Yeah, and make them now want to seek the kingdom as much as you are. Yeah, it's a really simple idea. It's simple but not easy. As I like to say, it's simple but not easy Absolutely. Just like losing weight is simple but not easy. Take in less calories than you expend.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Well, that's simple.
Speaker 1:It's not easy Saving money simple, not easy Absolutely, and I think we've talked about it before the hardest things in life are often the most rewarding things in life.
Speaker 1:Yes. So a really simple way to put it reaching for Jesus plus one means we are pursuing Christ with everything we've got as an individual, and then we are bringing along others for that same journey, reaching for Jesus plus one, and we have some responsibility in that, and that's what we kind of got into this past weekend. It's one of my favorite things to preach on. I don't do it every weekend, that would become monotonous, but it is the message, it's the call of Christ for the church, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:If you look at Jesus's time on earth, that's what he asked of himself and bringing it up to these modern books about leadership and things like that, a good leader does not ask his followers to do something that he himself would not do. Now, of course, jesus made these ultimate sacrifices eventually, but while he was on earth, he was looking for people to seek the kingdom along with him. He was also seeking it, yep. So what better example is there than him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in Luke 19.10,. Jesus said it, for the Son of man came to seek and save the lost. Yeah, that was his primary him. Yeah, in Luke 19, 10,. Jesus said it, for the son of man came to seek and save the lost. Yeah, that was his primary directive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and is there? Is there a saying about I didn't, jesus didn't, come to unite, but he came to, he came, he came to do, he came to do something else, like there was a saying about I didn't come to unite or be peaceful or do things that made everybody feel good. In service to that mission.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, it's finally clicking in my head here, yeah.
Speaker 2:I paraphrased it as bad as you could.
Speaker 1:Let's look in the Bible at Luke, chapter 12. And I'm just going to start reading and hope that this is where I'm supposed to be. Yeah, jesus said I have come to set the world on fire. That's it. I think that's probably it right. I preached on this a few months ago. I wish I could remember the sermon I used. But he said I've come to set the world on fire and I wish it were already burning. I have a terrible baptism of suffering ahead of me and I'm under a heavy burden until it is accomplished.
Speaker 1:He's referring to his crucifixion. Do you think that I've come to bring peace on earth? No, I've come to divide people against each other. From now on, families will be split apart three in favor of me and two against, or two in favor of three against. So he's saying the message of the gospel, the message of the kingdom of heaven, is going to divide people, right? Not everybody is going to say okay, yeah, jesus is the man. Let's go all in with Jesus. Yeah, but for those who do go all in with Jesus, like you're changing teams, you're changing families. Jesus becomes your family now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wish I knew it off the top of my head. Jesus actually referenced that man. I really wish I knew it off the top of my head. Jesus actually referenced that man. I really wish I could remember it. Maybe I'll do a quick Google search while I'm talking. But Jesus was inside teaching a group of people and somebody came inside and said Jesus, your mother and your brothers are outside and they're waiting on you. And he says my mother and my brothers and my sisters are all these, pointing to the people who he was teaching Solid lesson. And he even tells some of his disciples, or people who want to be his disciples, who want to follow him, that hey, listen, if you want to follow me, we got to do this right now. There's no time to go back and say goodbye to your mother and father.
Speaker 2:He says I'm going to look this up, so if you have any thoughts, speak it now while I'm looking this up, I enjoy the picture of a Jesus that is combative, confronting people, things like that, because usually you get this sense of I'm here to bring peace on earth, but that's not it at all. Things like that, because usually you get this sense of I'm here to bring peace on earth yeah.
Speaker 2:But that's not it at all. It's there will be division, because that is how human beings are. Yeah, they're naturally divisive. That's how human nature is. It's not all or nothing. There is a division in everybody, right Within everybody, and, of course, by extension, there's going to be division among people.
Speaker 1:So here it is, luke, chapter 14, verse 26. If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, even their own life, such a person cannot be my disciple. Okay, pause, because isn't that a contradiction that Jesus would tell you to hate someone in order to be his disciple? This is how it was taught to me years ago, and I like to continue the metaphor. If you decide that you're going to go and climb Mount Everest let's say Curtis and Ken go on an expedition to Everest I'm shaking my head. But yeah, we have to have a mountain guide. Yes, and if we don't have a mountain guide, we're dead before we reach the first campground.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll shout out to Faith Sorda and say we need a Tenzing Norgay.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, yeah, not right.
Speaker 2:I have no idea what that means he sherpaed Edmund Hillary up to the very first summit of Everest.
Speaker 1:Oh, very interesting Okay.
Speaker 2:And she loves that fact, she loves that name.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, well, maybe we'll have Faith on here next time to talk about her Everest experiences.
Speaker 1:That would be great. Yeah, talk about that would be great experiences. Uh, yeah, so we would have to have a mountain guide, the reason being that when, when things get tough on the mountain and there's snow and you can't see, you know, sometimes, when you're up on the mountain, you can't tell whether the snow has piled up so much or if you're actually at the edge of the mountain. Oh, you've seen videos, I've seen them, yeah where, uh, people are climbing everest and, all of a sudden, the ground comes out from under them and like a new cliff appears because the snow was covering. Okay, so, long story short, you got to have a mountain guide who knows the terrain.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Otherwise you're going to die. Yeah, but here's the thing. You can have the mountain guide, but if you don't completely sell out to the mountain guide, you're done. So you can't get halfway up the mountain and be like Ken. I don't know if this dude really knows if my right foot should go there and my left foot should go here.
Speaker 2:What do?
Speaker 1:you say you and I try it like this Dead, we're dead. Jesus is saying if you're going to climb the mountain with me, your ears better be locked on to me, not on to what your father and your mother or your brother and your sister or your children or even yourself, is trying to tell you how to live in this kingdom. So it's not about literally hating people. It's about being so devoted to and in tune with who Jesus is that nobody, no matter what their relationship is to you on earth, can distract you from following Jesus Down to my very footprints. Absolutely, because he's the mountain guide.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And if we're not following his instructions, we're going to die on the mountain.
Speaker 2:Well, the Everest thing is a really good example or an analogy, because it's going to be treacherous, it's not going to be a smooth road, it's not going to be glassy, it's going to be Mount Everest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, and we are man the mission that Jesus has given us Matthew 28, go and make disciples. Jesus has shown us how to do it. He gave us the example while just watching him or reading I say watching, but with your mind's eye how he trained up his own disciples. It took three years for him to teach his disciples. It didn't take three years until they went on mission.
Speaker 1:He was just with them for three years. Okay, if you read in Luke 10, jesus sends out his disciples on a mission, they go out by themselves for the first time. That was within oh goodness, bible scholars out there don't hate me for this that was within the first two years. Let me put a big, wide range on that because I don't remember the exact timeframe, but that was within the first two years of their discipleship to Jesus that they had their what we read as their first solo experience. Oh, okay, kind of like a solo climb, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's, let's kill it. Or yeah, let's kill this metaphor A solo parachute.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's not a free solo, we're not climbing El Capitan with no ropes, but it's their first solo. And then they come back and they're like Jesus. You wouldn't believe it. We saw like demons come out of people and people were healed of sickness. And Jesus says I tell you the truth. I watched as Satan fell from the sky like lightning, like I knew that was going to happen. He tells them Because this is what you're supposed to do, they go out and they do the work and they come back and they're just so excited that they're introducing the kingdom of heaven on earth in conjunction with Jesus.
Speaker 1:So that's what we've been called to do is introduce people to the kingdom of heaven, show them who Jesus is, invite them into a saving relationship with him, and then immediately, we start calling them to do the same Right. Of course there's instruction. Of course we have to teach people about the Bible and people need to learn about you know, genesis through Revelation. Yes, yes. However, when you're on mission and you're actually out in the field doing the work, what's going to happen? When you don't know what to do and you're out on the field, the first thing that you're going to do is go find the answer yeah, you have to do the job, but you have to learn on the job. You don't go to training for six months and then get the job.
Speaker 1:It's the same in the kingdom of heaven. You become a follower of Jesus. You're in the job. Now it's time for on the job training. You don't have to go through six or seven months or 12 months of discipleship. How do I do this? Or learn what the book of Matthew, the literary structure and the theology and the interpretation of the ancient Hebrew and Greek. You don't have to learn all that before you are put into the job, and I think that there's no better place to learn than on thethe-job training.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, yeah, yeah, 100%. You have to be smart enough and intelligent enough to get going, but on-the-job training jobs these days and probably forever, have been so unique. Like you can't learn every contingency and every path of action for every job, for any job that you're going to take, so it's got to be on the job Definitely. And it strengthens that muscle even more because it's in the environment. It's real, it's really happening, it's not like a simulation.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, like a simulation. Absolutely, that is. Our primary directive is to seek and save the lost, just as Jesus' primary directive was to seek and save the lost. It's not the healthy who need a doctor, right? No, it's the sick who need the doctor, and we are in eternal health care.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Get out there and bring the doctor to the people who really need it.
Speaker 2:Wouldn't it be nice circling back, wouldn't it be nice to speak multiple languages in doing this?
Speaker 1:It would be. That's the beauty of God's church, though. Consider this that all across the world, on Sunday, in every language imaginable, the gospel was preached in churches and translated. There are churches who are working right now to translate the Bible into the remote dialects of countries in Africa. There's what's called the 1040 window, which is, if you looked at a map, it's the. Which one is it the latitude?
Speaker 2:I think it's latitude.
Speaker 1:Latitude that goes across, I think.
Speaker 2:Or it might be longitude, because it's long, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:I don't remember, but if you draw a line around the equator, the 1040 window is within that equatorial range. The 1040 window is where the majority of non-Christians are living. Oh, interesting, because that's where the majority of the population on the earth lives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that's where the majority of the population on the earth lives. If you really looked at like population maps, the 1040 window is a really big deal. And, man, that's the beauty of the church is that we have missionaries who have made it their life's work. The call of God has put them in the 1040 window and Bible translators who are working. They dedicated their whole lives not to accumulate riches there's not a whole lot of wealth in Bible translating. You're doing it because you're called to make sure that every person can hear the message of Jesus, and so our little church has an opportunity to make a large impact just in our own community. Impact just in our own community, just the same as our missionary partners in India, rajan, who is the leader of the mission at Kerala, christian Mission in India, and you know they have churches Marlon Brito, that's right.
Speaker 1:And we've had missionaries in Albania and missionaries in Mexico and Haiti and Kenya, all these people that we have supported monetarily as a church so that they can keep doing the mission of Jesus.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And so we, the regular people living here, we also have the opportunity and the calling to be missionaries right where we're at. And, man, that was the call this weekend To double your impact by being a missionary right where you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of people just sidebar and then we'll probably wrap up A lot of people on their treatment plans that come to see me that I have to work. You know it's collaborative. They already have, because I took over this caseload six months ago. A lot of them already had go to church more on their treatment plan.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they think that that is a. They think that a good church will help them in the future after they're done taking methadone and that's always good to see when somebody has, you know, attend church two times a month instead of never, instead of never, you know that's. That's always encouraging and I always look forward to talking to them about it.
Speaker 1:Where? Where do you like? Where's the line for you? As a professional, are you allowed to make suggestions? Like hey, I go to a church called Crosspoint. Like hey, I go to a church called Crosspoint.
Speaker 2:I would not do that. Okay, because they may show up and they may establish what's called a dual relationship, where now we go to the same church and I'm treating them Interesting and that would be a difficult ethical line to walk. Yeah, but if I don't say anything and they come on their own, I'm not going to acknowledge them until they come up to me. It is their choice. I'm not going to say, hey man, how's it going? You're right, you know I can't do that.
Speaker 1:Hey, great session about your drug use yesterday. You can't do that, can't do that.
Speaker 2:If they want to, if they want to, of their completely on their own free will, establish a dual relationship. Yeah, it's not like I'm going to stop going to Crosspoint, of course. So I have to. I have to say I can't, you know, to somebody. I can't confirm or deny that I know them, right, blah, blah, blah, right. But I'm not going to make suggestions. But I will ask them, all those leading motivational interviewing questions how do you feel when you get done with church? What's the best thing about the church that you're going to? What do you want out of a church?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All that stuff.
Speaker 1:Okay, follow-up question for you, because really the whole mission of the church is that we would be seeking out the one, the one person in our life who needs to know Jesus, that we can invite to church to hear the gospel message and to get plugged in. So if your job rightfully so, prohibits you from creating those personal relationships, then where does Ken, where does Ken find his one?
Speaker 2:That's a good question what I would do. I would try very if, say, a few sessions in a row they mention it and they're having some trouble with the whole church concept, I would try real hard through that rapport building to get them to ask me my opinion and then I could give it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I could do what's called appropriate self-disclosure and then talk about it. I'd be like, well, when I go to church, this is what I think, this is what I do, this is how I take part, all those things. So it has to be sort of this outflanking of their defense in a way. Yeah, you have to be intentional to walk around some of the boundaries.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you have to be intentional to walk around some of the boundaries. Yeah, super intentional, not break the boundaries, no, but to walk around and to get to that self-disclosure. I like that. I never have to think about those things. Yeah, that's very interesting.
Speaker 2:I constantly have to say okay, is what I'm about to say for them or me? Is what I'm about to say for them or me? Yeah, so if they're having trouble looking for a church, they will ask me so what, you know, what's the big deal about church? I'll say, okay, you've asked the question. Would you like to know?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm okay, it's appropriate, it's within the bounds of the therapeutic relationship. Sure, I'm not telling them what to do. I'm not telling them what to do, right, I'm telling them my experience.
Speaker 1:That's good, that's all they want to know Okay, how about outside of work? Okay, okay. So just in my personal life, I'll say I work at a church, yeah, okay. So everybody I work with is saved already. Yeah, my family, I'm a one, two, three, fourth generation preacher, and so, even if my great grandparents were still alive, everybody in my family is saved, at least in like my immediate family and the small extended family that are near me, and so all the people I interact with are pretty much Christians. All the people I interact with are pretty much Christians. Okay, yeah, and so I am not like my job is to also be on mission, right, and in some ways it's a cop-out that I could say well, I'm the preacher, you know I'm always living on mission, but I don't think that's fair and I don't think it's right either. And so the hard thing to do is that we've got to be intentional about finding people outside of our circles in just very small ways. I love this phrase. It's a conglomeration of multiple Greek words in the New Testament.
Speaker 1:If you looked up the meanings of ecclesiam, hemera, poriumaim, dunamis. There's one more. Oh goodness, there was a fifth. It'll come to me as I speak here, but those words, I've distilled it into one phrase that we are the church. Okay, we are the called out, the trained up and the sent in, those called out of our old way of living, which was sin and death, and now being called out of that. We are trained up in the mission and the ethics of our new king, jesus. He gave us his mission and the way to do it in the New Testament and so we're following and being trained up in that on-the-job training and we are sent in. This is the on-the-job training and we are sent in. This is the on-the-job part. We're sent in to these places where people don't know him. We're sent in to our schools, into homeroom and sitting next to that person that we know doesn't have a relationship with Jesus. We're sent in on Monday morning back to our cubicles and we share a cube with a cube mate who doesn't know Jesus, and we're sent in.
Speaker 1:When we get into that truck. You know when the disaster strikes and your unit is the one that gets called up for disaster management. You got to get in the truck and you've got an eight-hour drive because the power is off and we're going to fix it. But you are sent in for Jesus in that truck ride with that dude in the passenger seat or who's next to you. You are sent in to do this thing so that you can call other people out of an old way of life, so that they can be trained up.
Speaker 1:So that's the church, that's the people of the church, the called out, the trained up and the sent in. And, very simply, the mission is we are responsible from sunup to sundown, to intentionally inject Jesus into every opportunity. So all day long, when you sleep, you sleep. I don't think it's fair to expect that we'd be calling new disciples while we're asleep. But we are responsible. It falls on us, right. God could do it any way he wants. He's God. He doesn't need us to get this job done, but the way that he established the church, he chose us to get it done, and so in some ways, maybe he does need us to get it done because he chose this avenue. He created the church to be the messengers for his salvation, and so it's up to us. When I say need, I don't really mean he needs us, but I think you're tracking with me, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Hopefully everybody else is too. So the responsibility falls on us. If we don't do it, then it's not going to get done. We are responsible from sunup to sundown to intentionally. That means we have to think about it First. Peter tells us excuse me, I shouldn't have started referencing it, but Peter tells us be ready at all times to give an account for the faith that you have. That means you have to think about your faith in Jesus. You have to establish your testimony. You have to establish your testimony. You have to establish who you are in Christ, mentally, cognitively, so that when the.
Speaker 1:Moment comes, you can be intentional to inject your disclosure about your faith in Jesus, to inject Jesus into every opportunity. And we have opportunities everywhere. Yeah, Everywhere we go we have an opportunity.
Speaker 1:Now keep going. Well. I was at Starbucks recently. I like to go there on Wednesdays to do sermon writing. Okay, a change of scenery helps in the creative process. And I just pulled in and I prayed on the way to Starbucks. Lord, maybe there's somebody at Starbucks today. Now, to be honest with you, I don't do that every time. I have just full disclosure. I don't pray that same prayer every time, but this morning, that morning I was just. I said, lord, maybe there's somebody at Starbucks who just needs to hear the message of Jesus today.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I walked in and there was a young dude sitting there with his Bible open, and so I assume he has some kind of understanding of who Jesus is. Usually, if people are reading the Bible at a coffee shop, I try and just introduce myself. Oh yeah, and turns out he has this great testimony and he's a brand new believer in Jesus, like brand new. And got to invite him to church and he's been to our church a few times since then.
Speaker 1:And I'm just really enjoying getting to know this dude, and so it wasn't an example of I led a person to the water and it's amazing this clouds open. It was just and please, I'm not patting myself on the back, you can see my face right now. I started this story and now it sounds like I'm the hero, but I'm not. Because of all the opportunities that I don't take, I'm not the hero, okay.
Speaker 2:But you were glad you took this one.
Speaker 1:In this particular case, I was intentional. I thought about it before I got there so that when the opportunity presented itself, I was. I was intentional to inject Jesus into that opportunity and everybody, everybody's capable of doing it. It's just whether you'll take the responsibility to do it. We're responsible, from sunup to sundown, to intentionally inject Jesus into every opportunity.
Speaker 2:That I like that phrase intentionally inject.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The me and Faith were talking about me going back to school. I don't know when or in what timeframe that would be, in what time frame that would be, but if I chose to pursue more general psychology, if I did a dissertation or something, a serious academic work on it, it would probably I could easily see doing something in the psychological effect of church attendance or conversion, or how discipleship affects the one that's doing it and the one that's receiving it, something like that. Or you know, there's actually a field that's really small. It's called psychoapologetics.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:You know I like apologetics, yeah, so it could be something along those lines. Yeah, because you can do anything in general psychology. I couldn't do that if I was in clinical psychology. I couldn't do that, or something about a church organization if I was doing organizational psychology, which is a thing if I was doing organizational psychology, which is a thing. So I'm taking that opportunity to inject belief and faith and Jesus into academics.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it. It would be. I could easily see doing that. That would be as interesting as anything else I would pursue.
Speaker 1:I would encourage you and me both today, as we're wrapping up this podcast, and everybody who's listening that, to take a moment and just ask the Lord to lead you into a position today to intentionally inject Jesus. Yeah, just ask him. You know, maybe your prayer is Lord, you've given me a testimony. Now give me somebody to share that testimony with today. Yeah or Lord, I know who you are. Show me somebody who needs to know who you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, asking for the opportunity. That's a good way to do it, because then you're going to start looking Like you know, when you're in the market for buying a car, you start looking for cars. Is that a good one. What color is that? I wonder how many miles that has on it. Exactly Never thought about a Toyota before you know stuff like that, you start looking for it. Same with houses.
Speaker 1:And you start to see them everywhere.
Speaker 2:Everywhere, everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, open your eyes to the people that Jesus sees. I'm telling you, they're everywhere and you're the person who has been called to those harvest fields. Man, yeah, get out there and do it. Yeah, well, if we do that and double ourselves, then we're going to leave no empty seats this Easter, and that's the goal, isn't it? Ken?
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:I hope that you will join us for Easter this year. No empty seats, that is our challenge, so invite somebody to church. Starting this week, we're beginning our series on Easter studying the authority of Christ and the gospel message at the center of everything. Thanks so much for joining us today and I hope that you will also join us on mission. That's it for us today at the Extra. We'll see you next time. See you Sunday.