The Extra
The Extra is a podcast hosted by Crosspoint Christian Church in Conyers, Georgia. Senior Minister, Curtis Zehner, and his friend, Ken Pierce, talk through each week's sermon unpacking the extra material that didn't make the cut for the weekend message. Curtis' and Ken's conversational and relaxed style lend itself to listeners of all ages and spiritual maturities.
The Extra
Pentecost 2025
The dynamic power of the Holy Spirit transforms lives, but how exactly does it work within believers? Curtis and Ken tackle this profound question, unpacking the explosive "dunamis" power described in Acts 1:8 that empowers Christians to be effective witnesses.
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Welcome back to the Extra. It's been a minute. Ken and I are back today and we're diving into a powerful conversation about the Holy Spirit. At least I think it'll be powerful.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Powerful. Hey, do you know? In Acts, chapter 1, verse 8, I've got my Bible.
Speaker 1:This is how we're starting out right now. Okay Acts, chapter 1, verse 8. Dive in. It says but you will receive power, powerful. You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you and you'll be my witnesses in Jerusalem and Judea and all of Samaria and to the ends of the earth. Now, if you're a Crosspoint veteran, it is at this point that you would say reach up, reach near and reach far Right. Welcome to Crossbow. Turn around and say hi to the neighbor behind you, it's Coffee Sunday.
Speaker 1:That way, yes yes, yeah, For years that verse was our. It is still our core verse. But if you don't have context for this, for years we recited that verse every Sunday morning as a congregation. It was part of our worship. We would stand up, it would be on the screen. We had these cool graphics that would. They would change and highlight the words reach out, near and far, as we were reading that verse. And so reach up is about but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you and you'll be my witnesses. That's your relationship with God. Reach near and you'll be my witnesses. That's your relationship with God. Reach near is you'll be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria. That's like the equivalent of Conyers If you live in Conyers, Conyers, Covington, maybe the metro Atlanta area, that's probably a little bit bigger and then reach far was to the ends of the earth.
Speaker 1:Jesus says You'll be my witnesses to the ends of the earth.
Speaker 2:Would it be Conyers, Georgia, USA?
Speaker 1:I think Georgia might be too big, because we're talking about Jerusalem, judea and Samaria. That was a very small section on the map. Ooh, ooh, I've got ChatGPT open. Good question, let me ask ChatGPT. Let's see if it'll answer it in the microphone. Here's new technology today on the Extra. Thanks for joining us. A co-host. How big is Israel? How big is the region of Jerusalem, judea and Samaria? Big is israel? How big is the region of jerusalem, judea and samaria? Oh man, it started and then stopped. It's because of the wi-fi. Hang on, hang on. Oh, this is awkward. Now, this is awkward. Whose voice was that? How big is the area of jerusalem, judea and samaria? All right, I'm doing text this time. Okay, jerusalem, it's about 48 square miles. Okay, the biblical scope, however, is much smaller 0.4 square miles. Oh, wow, the area of Jerusalem, apparently. Okay, okay, combined total Jerusalem, judea and Samaria 3,290 square miles.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Gotcha.
Speaker 1:That's about the size of Puerto Rico, slightly smaller than the US state of New Jersey, wow. So yeah, georgia's a little bit too big, too big.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. So we've been called to be witnesses in a very small area on the map if we take it literally Right, a very small area, but also it says, to the ends of the earth. So really we're talking globally. We've been called to be those, but you can't miss the part that you're not. You can't be a witness until you've received the power of the Holy Spirit. Now I got off on this because we started by. This is a powerful conversation Power. That word in the scripture is dunamis. That's a Greek word. Does that sound like anything to you, ken?
Speaker 2:Dynamite Boom. I've heard that before.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I wasn't cheating. Yeah, you're just smart being dynamic too.
Speaker 1:Yeah absolutely yeah. So it's this explosive power that energizes us. It comes to dwell within us and man. We've been talking through the Holy Spirit and imagining these different analogies and personifications of the Spirit throughout the Scripture, and this one that Jesus says right before he ascends into heaven is that the Holy Spirit is an explosive, energizing power for the Christian.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it gives you the power to go and be a witness. The way I put it on Pentecost Sunday this past Sunday, june 8th, is that that power exists in us to meet the needs in God's kingdom. It's not just power for power's sake. It's not just gifts of the Spirit for the sake of having gifts of the Spirit. The Spirit empowers and equips God's people to meet the needs as they arise in God's kingdom.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be a nerd for a second.
Speaker 1:Let's do it.
Speaker 2:You've seen Captain America.
Speaker 1:The first Avenger Is that the first Captain America, the very first Captain America in the present Marvel cinematic universe. Listen to be honest with you, I'm much more of a Star Wars dude.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's fine, so you can be both.
Speaker 1:Hopefully Bo's not listening. You can be both Okay.
Speaker 2:So in that movie Steve Rogers gets the super soldier serum right, yes. And the scientist says whatever is in you, if it's good, it becomes better, If it's bad, it becomes worse. The Holy Spirit can be like the good part of that.
Speaker 1:Interesting, like that force that comes inside of us, right? That like makes our, in Steve Rogers' world, his muscles humongous? Yeah, because his brain thinks twice as good. Exactly, muscles humongous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he, his brain thinks twice as good. Exactly, he's very smart. Yeah, he's very. He's smart to begin with and he's courageous to begin with.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So it makes him look like a smart, courageous person. Yeah, just like, and it's similar to, or it's actually the inverse, I guess, of what your dad was saying about. This is what sin looks like to God leprosy.
Speaker 1:Right, yes, it's the opposite of that. Yeah, uh-huh.
Speaker 2:So this Holy Spirit takes what's in you and turns it up to 11, you might say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in some senses right. Yeah, and that was part of the talk on Sunday. The sermon was that the Holy Spirit can bestow an ability upon a person. As we see in scripture, that is supernatural.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Right. Or let me say a little bit more in a different way that I wasn't able to on Sunday. Okay, maybe it's not that he's producing something that is supernatural to our reality, but he's producing like a uh, a tangible or physical capability in a person through God's supernatural power, okay. Okay, so it's not like I just all of a sudden have the ability to fly that would be supernatural in our natural reality but the ability to understand, like woodworking in order to build the tabernacle is a practical understanding given to me by a supernatural spirit within me. Okay, so the spirit can provide things that the believer doesn't previously have. The believer doesn't previously have, but more often we see that the.
Speaker 1:Holy Spirit, kind of like, supercharges the natural abilities that a person brings to the table. Like you and I we were. We have different DNA, you and me, like we have different skills. Our brains think a different way. Maybe some of who we are is is just born in us. Like I'm tall and played basketball. Who we are is just born in us yeah, like I'm tall and play basketball yeah, that's great. Not everybody's tall and play basketball. Well, not everybody has the natural ability to empathize and sympathize with people and to sit and be a counselor like you are.
Speaker 1:Some of that's born in us, others other skills and talents are developed in us over time through practice, repetition or teaching, and the Holy Spirit is going to use you to accomplish the needs in God's kingdom. And so, yeah, I like that analogy of the Steve Rogers. Of course it breaks down at some point Of course it does right, but we have to try and understand these things in a practical way. That's great, Absolutely. That's the power that is living inside of the Christian. Yeah, the dynamite-style power and dynamic. I love that?
Speaker 2:What do you think? This is a question that I think a lot of people might ask about the Holy Spirit, a question that I think a lot of people might ask about the Holy Spirit. I really think that creation and the Holy Spirit are two of the most questioned aspects of Christianity. Okay, so you have the Holy Spirit and we just said what it is. What is the big misconception about the Holy Spirit? Oh, goodness is. What is the big misconception about the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 1:Oh goodness, I don't know how to just come up with one big misconception. Okay, I think, maybe from my vantage point and as a preacher, as a church leader. One of the misconceptions is does the Holy Spirit still do what he did in the New Testament today, Meaning, are there still miraculous signs and wonders produced by the Holy Spirit through his people?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:There's a passage in 1 Corinthians, yes, where the church in Corinth was obviously arguing about the gifts of the Spirit. Right, and we saw some of that on the day of Pentecost when the church was starting, and then the days following that. There in Acts, chapter 2, it says there were many the apostles. They were doing miracles and showing signs and wonders and healing people. And then there were other acts of the Spirit, as was needed throughout this new community of Jesus believers. But we see these miraculous things happening, these supernatural events, things that would not happen without the power of God inside of people. And in 1 Corinthians 12, paul addresses what the Corinthian Christians have been arguing about, and it sounds like they're arguing about the Holy Spirit giving gifts to people and which ones are the most important and what matters. Okay, okay, you with me. And so Paul kind of says it like this. I'm just going to start. He says now about spiritual gifts brothers, I don't want you to be arrogant now that when you were pagan, somehow or another, you were influenced and led astray to follow mute idols. Therefore, I tell you, no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus be cursed, and no one can say Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit. There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them, in all men. Now, to each one, the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. Okay, are you with me so far? And I'm saying that really to anybody who's listening Are you with me so far? And checking myself, I want to make sure I'm with myself.
Speaker 1:Right now, paul is saying the spirit is. The manifestation of the spirit is necessary for the common good. That's what I preached on Sunday, right, the spirit equips Christians to meet the need of God's kingdom, which is the church, it's the unchurched, it's the world at large. Now, to each one, the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given, through whom the Spirit gives the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge, and, by the means of the Spirit, to another faith by that same Spirit to another, gifts of healing, and then to another faith by that same spirit, to another, gifts of healing, and then to another, miraculous powers. Then there's prophecy, then there's distinguishing between spirits speaking in different kinds of tongues. Still another, the, uh, the interpretation of those tongues. All of these are the work of one and the same spirit, and he gives them to each one just as he determines.
Speaker 1:So there's many different kinds of gifts that Paul explains the Spirit can create in a person, can give the ability to Some of those, like knowledge. You can have knowledge, and that knowledge can be kind of supercharged by the Holy Spirit, or new knowledge can be bestowed upon you by the Holy Spirit. Then there's others that feel a little more unnatural, right, like the ability to speak in a heavenly language, a language that I haven't spoken before, but all of a sudden I can just speak it right, and so the church and Corinth are arguing over, well, which one's the most important.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:What matters the most here and I'm remembering your question what's the biggest misconception of the Holy Spirit? And what I'm suggesting is that in today's day and age, does the Holy Spirit still give those gifts to Christians? Okay, I'm going to keep going here. Paul talks about the body. We are one body with many parts, and the foot cannot say to the ear well, I don't need you, because if there's no ear, then how's the body going to hear, and if there's no eye, then how's the body going to see. So you're arguing over things that ought not to be argued over. First of all, it's not about who's better or which which gift is more important?
Speaker 1:if you don't have a toe on your foot, you're not gonna walk properly right. So even the smallest toe on your foot matters in this, in the grand scheme of the body of believers you're an integrated whole right, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:And so then he gets to chapter 13 and he says and now I will show you the most excellent way. If I speak in tongues of men or if I speak in tongues of angels, but I have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal, okay, if I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have faith that can move mountains, but I have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but I have not love, I gain nothing. And then here's you've probably heard this verse before Love is patient, love is kind, it does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud, it is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered.
Speaker 1:It keeps no records of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices in the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease. Where there are tongues, they will be stilled. Sees, they will cease. Where there are tongues, they will be stilled. Where there is knowledge, it will pass away, for we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. Great, you've got gifts.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But if you don't have love for your neighbor or love for the church, then there's really no point in having that gift to begin with. Now, the most common misconception does the Spirit still give these gifts to Christians today? It depends on how you interpret those verses. In verse 8, love never fails, but where there are prophecies, they will cease. That's verse 8 and verse 9, and I'm a little bit into verse 10. He says prophecies will disappear, knowledge will fade away. It depends on how you interpret that.
Speaker 1:Is Paul saying tongues are going to go away forever because this thing called perfection is coming, or does it mean that the importance of those things are going to go away because this thing called imperfection is coming? I'm not here today to sway you either direction. To be honest with you. I'm not here today to sway you either direction. To be honest with you as an individual. I personally think that there is a lot more conviction in the preceding verses in chapter 13. If you have all these gifts, if the gifts are still here or if they're not here, if you don't have love, then it doesn't matter anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I could have an opinion on whether or not they're here or not. I don't think that that matters at this moment. Okay, okay, I have been taught both ways to be. It's called a cessationist, to believe that the gifts of the Spirit have ceased, and there's also the other side of it, which is to be a continuationist, that the gifts of the Spirit have continued.
Speaker 1:I can see arguments from both sides. You know, I suppose if I could inject a little bit of my own opinion, I lean towards cessationism. Okay, because I believe that the perfection Paul talks about is the New Testament. It's the perfect word of God being completed for us because they didn't have this. Like Paul was writing this, did he know that this was going to be in our New Testament? I?
Speaker 1:don't think so. I think he wrote this letter to the Corinthians and, through the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians has been put into our New Testament and collected as part of the canon, which is the Bible as a whole. And so, uh, I think that Paul was I think that's what he's alluding to that he knew that we were going to have something in the future and that this New Testament now in our understanding, because we can see the big picture, is that perfection because we have this New Testament, because we have the entire canonized Bible that we know and we believe is the perfect word of God compiled together, that there isn't any need for some of these things anymore that the Holy Spirit was doing for the first century church.
Speaker 2:That was going to be one of my questions, do you mean, since, in the presence of perfection, there doesn't need to be certain things? Yeah, because I'll have the same gifts you have. Right, because we'll be perfect.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, yeah, maybe, maybe, yeah, okay, I can see your train of thought there. Okay, but there are other things that the Holy Spirit does in us, because we believe that at baptism we receive the Holy Spirit. So then, if we have this perfection, then what's the point of having the Holy Spirit? So I'm not saying the Holy Spirit's not at work in us, so I can't just completely say I'm a cessationist, that he doesn't give gifts anymore, that we don't need it anymore. I'm just saying, if you don't have love for your neighbor, or love for one another in the church, or even love for God himself Remember, this is all about Jesus. The Holy Spirit only comes to us because of Jesus. The sanctifying work of the Spirit only happens because we are saved through Jesus. Okay, if you don't have love, then none of this matters, right yeah.
Speaker 1:And I can't help but think that that's really the point Paul wanted to drive home with the Corinthian church. Stop arguing with each other about these things. Like you got this misconception about what the Holy Spirit does and what's most important. Yeah, Focus on what Jesus wanted you to focus on.
Speaker 2:He said Mark, chapter 12, which is relevant today.
Speaker 1:He said love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. Those two commandments are not numbers one and two, those are number one. They're equally important. You can't do one without the other. Or if you love God but hate your neighbor, you can't actually love God.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, and we've talked about that on the podcast before. So if you have not love, then really, what's the point of any of these other things that people are arguing about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you might. It would be like being able to throw 100 miles an hour and not know where it's going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something like that. Yeah, which is like a lot of Braves pitchers these days.
Speaker 2:Well, the movie Bull Durham starts off like that. Yeah right, the prospect can throw in the mid-90s, which was serious in the mid-80s, in the 1980s and in the minor leagues but he didn't know where it was going.
Speaker 1:There was another movie like that with Charlie Sheen. He was the animal. Yeah, what movie was that?
Speaker 2:A wild thing, yeah, no, he was a. It's called that was major league, major league, yeah, and then he got glasses and then he got glasses and then he could really. Then he had pinpoint control and number two, but he lost all the heat.
Speaker 1:So the lesson there is you need both, you need both, absolutely, you need both. Well, if we bring that together, it's the Holy Spirit is the thing that helps us hit the mark. That's the sanctification process. He's working out that salvation in us that we receive through Jesus.
Speaker 2:And that brings sin into the fold, because sin means to miss the mark.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely, and I talked about that on week one of this Pentecost series that if you want to be sensitive to the sensitive presence of the Spirit in you, then part of that means cutting out sin in your life, repenting of sin Right, that's what the Holy Spirit is nudging in you anyway, like knowing the difference between what is against God, missing the mark, and what is righteous, and behavior toward God, hitting the mark. Right, that's the Holy Spirit that's doing that work. He is sensitive to our downfall to build us up and make us more like Jesus.
Speaker 2:I said nope, sorry, no, keep going no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to recap some of the other words that I used two weeks ago. If you want to be sensitive to the Spirit, you've got to adjust yourself by repenting of sin, living a lifestyle that's in line with the Spirit, releasing the need to know why. A lot of times the Lord will lead us to do things that feel irrational or don't make sense, or maybe they just don't seem reasonable, Like you don't think you're able to do that, or you don't have the time to do that, or you don have the words to do that or the skill to do it. I could go on. It just feels unreasonable. But just release your need to know why, Be obedient to Jesus, and the Holy Spirit will work it out in you.
Speaker 1:Rely on who he is and then reinforce spiritual rhythms to live in step with the Spirit. It means to live in step with spiritual things like going to church regularly, reading your Bible regularly, praying, not just once a day or once a week. Make a rhythm out of it. It's morning, noon and night. Morning, noon and night. We're both musicians Like.
Speaker 2:Daniel that rhythm.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that rhythm is natural for us and we fight against it, don't we? Why do we? Here's a question for you, ken. Why do we fight against those spiritual rhythms? Because we all do right, but we also, as Christians, we know that those spiritual rhythms are good for us. But why do we fight against that, do you think?
Speaker 2:It's that verse of I'm going to gonna get. It's like a tongue twister almost if I do the thing I don't want to do oh sure, yeah, it's that thing the thing you don't want to do is the thing you should do yeah almost all the time.
Speaker 1:Where does that come from, though? Like what is what's inside of us that makes us want to rebel against the thing that we know we should do.
Speaker 2:It goes all the way. I mean biblically to me if you're asking that it goes all the way back to the first rebellion. But psychologically everybody wants to control their own life. That's it.
Speaker 1:Everybody yeah.
Speaker 2:I want to determine the next ever. How many minutes, hours, months, years?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you can't. Yep, you do have free will, but you have free will within a frame that you are not aware of, that you don't even have access to. Now you have access to the framer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as in. You have access to the framer as in.
Speaker 2:You have access to God, you can have a personal relationship. But are you really so presumptuous and egotistical to say just tell me the plan, I can handle it and understand it. No, you can't. Right can handle it and understand it. No, you can't Right, it's, it's literally it's. It's even worse than me explaining to Simon. Here's why we need to go to bed. It's, it's a, it's a giant, blown out version of that. Yeah, but why, but why? But that's why, toddlers, once they, once they get into themselves, once they get their bodies a little under control, then they just migrate up to the mind Right, and then they go. Why, why?
Speaker 1:Why? Why? Yeah, it's a natural thing, it is.
Speaker 2:That's how you discover things is asking why. So somebody that is always in the why phase, like me, has a hard time with Christianity, with belief, a lot of times. Sure, and I'm late to the game right, I understand yeah.
Speaker 2:So somebody that's always in their why phase wants white knuckle to control everything and say, yeah, but I can just tell me the reason. Just reveal something. Reveal the reason to me. Why did it take so long to meet faith? Why did it take so long to have my own kids? Why did it take so long to be employed up to my education level, right, why did all these things take so long? If I was explained that I would be like, no, that doesn't make any sense yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, that's because you don't have direct access to the plan Absolutely, but you do have access to the planner.
Speaker 1:You do have access to the planner and the planner doesn't have to give you the answer right away.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But the planner does give you the answer eventually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if I told you this. So there's two things there. Say, say you, you talked to God directly physically. He, he physically manifested in this room and he started to tell you the plan you wouldn't understand. And he could just tell you look, I could tell you plan, you wouldn't understand it. And he could just tell you look, I could tell you, but you wouldn't understand it. That's not a good enough answer for a lot of people. It becomes a good enough answer for somebody like me the more you hear it. Yeah, because the more you know, the more you know you don't know yeah.
Speaker 2:So imagine I'll.
Speaker 1:I get.
Speaker 2:I give it to. I give it to people like this when I talk to them about, when they start asking why in sessions, I say make a circle with your fingers, your thumb and your middle finger.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And now expand it out out out. Now you've got a bigger circle. It's imaginary, but it's bigger, sure. The circumference of that circle represents your amount of knowledge that you don't know Now. The inside of the circle represents the amount that you do know. Okay, Okay. The inside of the circle is getting bigger, but the circumference is also getting bigger.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Your body of knowledge is growing, but also the amount you don't know is also growing.
Speaker 1:Circumference is pi times diameter. Yeah, I'm with you, though.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, the bigger your body of knowledge grows, the more you realize oh, I don't have anything figured out. And then eventually, if you you go, you crest that wave of I just want to control everything in my life. Can I please do that? Yeah, once you crest over that wave, you can say okay, you're right, I don't understand nearly anything, but I can get to a place where I can directly access the thing that does Right and I like that.
Speaker 1:And to be able to access that requires surrender.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Surrender, not just of the need to know why, but surrender of yourself, because you're surrendering control. Right Romans, chapter 1, verse 1, the same Apostle, paul, from Corinthians. He says Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God. Very simple introduction statement Paul a servant of Christ Jesus. It's like if you're writing a formal letter you put on the left side of the page. It starts with what does it say, the introduction, and then it's a double space. Okay, I don't know why, I just did that.
Speaker 2:Doctor and Mrs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay, well, okay. So Paul puts his introduction Romans 1.1. Paul, a servant for Christ Jesus. Paul, his identity was rooted in being saved by Jesus and so his whole self had been surrendered. He surrendered everything about who he was, I mean previously his name. He was known as Saul, and Saul, he was a Pharisee, he was a well-educated on his way to the top ranks Jewish religious leader, and he was persecuting Christians and thought that everything he was doing was justified because of his religion, because of the law. But then his not confrontation. But when he was confronted by Jesus on the road to Damascus, everything changed. He realized the truth and because he realized the truth, he surrendered all of himself. He became a brand new person and man. I think that's where you're leading to, whether it be in addiction counseling or trying to figure out the why behind what God is asking me to do, we see that in things like in AA, the program Alcoholics Anonymous, accept that there's a higher power as part of the steps to recovery.
Speaker 2:And hand it over.
Speaker 1:Right Release control.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, surrender, and that's what God is calling us to do. Surrender our whole selves to him. Yeah, because he is the ultimate, he's the creator, he's the knower of knowers. And he's got life in his hands.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Taking things another thing from addiction counseling is taking things one day at a time.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Why are you trying to control something that is not happening yet? Yeah, now, yes, hopefully. We all hope that we're going into tomorrow and you have to plan things, but you can't directly access the past or the future, so stay in the now with a foot in the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oriented toward the future? Yeah, oriented toward the future. Yeah, more or less, because if you don't plan, something could go wrong. Right, if you don't plan, something could go wrong, but if you don't focus on what you have now, something could go wrong now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they say that all the time in sports. Don't focus on the results, focus on the process. Yep, you still might miss the shot. Yeah, you might, but you're really gonna miss it if you're focused on the last shot you missed right, worried about the next shot you might miss. If you're, if you're a golfer out there, you know that, oh goodness, yes, if you're. If you play baseball, ever don't focus on the last at bat. Don't focus on the error you made yep, don't focus on the error you made Yep, don't focus on what. If I get up in the ninth inning with two outs and the base is loaded, what are we going to do?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Well, the pitch just went by you and it was a strike. Yep, you missed it. You missed that one, so you're probably going to get taken out of the game now. Now you're going to crash out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, yeah. Well, man, this study on the Holy Spirit has been enlightening. I hope that people have been able to engage with it.
Speaker 1:There's been a lot of depth I feel, to understanding who the Holy Spirit is, and rightfully so. We should give the Spirit his place in our thoughts and in our worship, but remember that Jesus is the King. The Spirit is important and he's the third person of the Trinity, but remember that we're not worshiping or seeking after the gifts of those spirits. We're not seeking after the tongues or the healing, the miraculous wonders. We're not. That's not the things we should be chasing after. We are supposed to chase after Jesus. We're supposed to chase after the son of God, who was crucified on the cross for our sin and resurrected from the grave on the third day, thus vanquishing death for all eternity for all those who believe in him. That's where our true adoration and worship should be directed is to Jesus man. Thank goodness for Jesus.
Speaker 2:Am I right about that, ken?
Speaker 1:Correct man. Thank you all for engaging in a deep topic about the Holy Spirit man, for engaging in a deep topic about the Holy Spirit man. There's so much more that could be said. In fact, if you have any questions about the Holy Spirit man, we'd love to hear those, and so if you're on the app right now or wherever you're listening, and down in the description of this podcast is a little button that says send us a text and you can send us a text message. Send us a question and I can send us a text message. Send us a question, and I can't promise that we're going to answer all those on air, but I will promise that we will read them and we will consider those for a later episode of the Extra. We'd love to hear from you, even if it's not a question, so send us a text sometime. That'd be great. Once again, thanks for joining us. I'm Curtis. I great. Once again, thanks for joining us. I'm Curtis. I'm Ken. See you next time. See you Sunday.