The Rage of Aquarius

Episode 13 // Jupiter in Gemini II

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In this episode of the Rage of Aquarius podcast, hosts Andrei Burke, Rachel Capurso, and Frederick Woodruff examine the acceleration of cultural and technological changes associated with Jupiter in Gemini transits. They also consider the influence of Jupiter's square with Saturn in Pisces and the implications for the current political atmosphere.

They also discuss the infamous debate around Julian Assange's release contrasting its implications for freedom of information with ongoing global events and political power plays. 

00:00 Introduction to the Rage of Aquarius Podcast
01:27 Jupiter in Gemini and Saturn in Pisces: An Astrological Overview
03:59 Analyzing the Recent Political Debate
12:47 The Symbolism of Biden and Trump
19:30 The AI Debate: Safety vs. Speed
27:19 The Impact of AI on Society and Culture
47:51 The Ethical Reforms in History
48:58 Impact of Whistleblowing Books
49:49 Ralph Nader's Influence on Automotive Safety
50:48 Astrological Insights: Jupiter and Saturn
52:08 Naomi Klein's Doppelganger
54:13 Julian Assange and Ethical Journalism
59:28 Political Theater and Power Dynamics
01:08:16 Hollywood's Hidden Agendas
01:18:49 Concluding Thoughts and Future Guests

Andrei:

Welcome back to the Rage of Aquarius podcast. My name is Andre Burke. I am one of three of your lovely hosts and I am sitting here with my beatific co hosts Rachel Caperso from Alien Heart Astrology and Frederick Woodruff from Woodruff Astrology. Hello, Rachel. Hello, Frederick.

Frederick:

Hey, Andre and Rachel. It's good to be back.

Andrei:

It's great to have, it's great to have all of us here together again for another thrilling and chilling and I can't think of another illing rhyme if any of you want to, to chime in. Otherwise, we're just going to go ahead with another thrilling and chilling and

Frederick:

Let's see, that's Jupiter and Saturn in square. Yeah. You've got Jupiter and Gemini, you should have all of these adjectives. And Saturn's you better pick the right one. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. Very true. I feel it.

Rachel:

Yeah, we've got lots of day to talk about. The next part of Jupiter in Gemini, which includes that square to Saturn and Pisces that will perfect in August, but is definitely being felt already it will happen again on December 24th, Christmas Eve. So it's going to be a repetitive theme for the rest of the year. This. Square between Jupiter and Saturn. So yeah, where do you want to begin with Jupiter and Gemini and this applying square?

Andrei:

Where did we end off? Where did we end last time?

Frederick:

I think God, Oh, the last episode was with Elsa, which we had, so we didn't pick up the thread on Jupiter and Gemini, and I really don't recall which. That's, to me, that's a great omen because that means we'll just start fresh right here.

Andrei:

I remember on the last, our last Jupiter and Gemini Jupiter and Gemini episode before Elsa I recall, I, the last thing I remember was going on an unhinged rant about the cutup technique.

Frederick:

Yes.

Andrei:

In this sphere of as a, as some kind of representation or metaphor for the process that Jupiter and Gemini is going to take us through in cutting things up into tinier bits to make something that is to create, to generate a collage. Of sorts of all the information that humankind has ever known all at once in order to save man from himself so that woman could finally rise and to her rightful place as the the divine feminine matriarch of humanity. Humanity, something like that.

Rachel:

That your reading of

Andrei:

That was at least, that's at least what I remember. I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to earn points. Yeah. I don't know why I'm podcast Andre. Yeah. Oh my

Rachel:

God. But no,

Andrei:

I remember going on I remember that's how we ended and because. There's just a lot of information that, that's been accelerated since we last talked when Jupiter was still in Taurus, right?

Rachel:

Yeah.

Andrei:

The Jupiter took a one step into Gemini and all of a sudden the information accelerated, that's really what it feels like. There was this kind of There, there's Amazon right there. And there was this this past week as of this recording, we had this kind of strange, like ersatz debate thing that wasn't a traditional presidential debate Julian Assange was let out of jail was set free. So there's been a lot of discussion. A lot of topics for discussion that potentially leave more questions than answers. that have sprung up. I'm wondering what your thoughts are and where they can take us.

Frederick:

I think, of course, people are going to hear this weeks after that debate that was something out of the Dada realm of surreal. Yeah. I, yeah I guess one way to see it as we're talking about the Jupiter square to Saturn was that somebody, Joe Biden definitely personified that square and the, his, the Gemini ability to communicate was being checked by, the sort of at least optical feeling, if that's the right combination of adjectives of Saturn and Jupiter. Pisces, where it just seemed like a muddle of mishmashed, syntax was struggling to find a way out which sent everybody into, that meltdown panic mode afterwards. So that's, that's one way I saw it. But I think what was interesting to me is when I did the solstice chart for the sun moving into cancer and then studied that chart with, that had in Washington DC Scorpio rising with Saturn, I'm sorry, Mars in, God, suddenly I'm feeling like Biden right now, with Mars and Taurus in the seventh house. And Mars was making a slow progression to transit to oppose the Scorpio Ascendant, and it was exact on the night of the debate, and I remember writing on my substack that this was like a scene from the Fight Club, where You know Ed, what's his name? Ed Nor who's the actor that played the lead in that? Yeah, him. Yeah, it was like him punching himself in the face over and over, and assuming it was Tyler or Brad Pitt. And that Mars ruling the Ascendant and then opposing it exactly. I thought for Scorpio Biden, this is going to be like self sabotage. And I think that's exactly what we saw. So that's my take on it as it's scattershot as my recounting sounded. But yeah, what about you guys with the transits and the eclipse or the Jupiter and Gemini?

Rachel:

The way, as far as seeing it as a depiction of the, or a symbolic representation of the applying square in Jupiter I saw that whatever it was, as A pathetic, ham fisted attempt to control a narrative, to control information, to create some kind of condition in which Joe Biden could do well, but obviously that's not possible, and his performance, to me, was not surprising, this has been, to me, it wasn't much better than what he did four years ago, and, To be honest, I like Demented Biden better than the one that used to talk because when he was more together, he was a pathological liar and a really slimy, creepy, unbelievably cruel person. And the Demented version of him is, to me a little more tolerable. Even though it's painful to watch but this was a very strange thing because it's not a natural debate There's never been a debate in June ever. And there was no live audience. That's never happened before either. And so to me, this represented Saturn like hysterically trying to create some sort of controlled environment in which this supposed presidential can't, I guess he's not a candidate, he's the incumbent, but in which the president could do the best possible version of whatever he's supposed to be representing right now, but my honest opinion is that This was designed to set up some other kind of potential out for the democrats like perhaps They can now replace biden because it was so badly done. I'm, not entirely sure what the planet To me, it looked like it was a really hysterical attempt to control the environment so that Biden wouldn't make a complete fool of himself. And if he did, now they have time to pivot. Does that make sense? They have time to pivot before It's too late. So to me, it was like a very strange,

Frederick:

but it's not. Yeah, there's, there's not going to be any pivot. There's it's I don't unless somebody dies. I think there's all this hysteria. The meeting, like if you watch the after show or after debate commentary, across the board everyone was like, he's gotta go. This is a shit show. Yeah. I, don't, didn't see it as something like that was conspired. To have this sort of, he wanted the debate. He, I think, was running on the fumes of the State of the Union address where he, I think he was on all that Adderall or something. And, was, remember that if you guys saw it, it was just felt like kind of this manic yelling and stuff at Congress. And I think they thought that Biden was going to show up at the debate. But

Andrei:

sugar pills,

Rachel:

but no live audience, it's just a, it's an unprecedented

Andrei:

I was disappointed that they didn't have a canned laugh track

Rachel:

that would've been or like, Aw,

Andrei:

ooh,

Rachel:

I guess it was just, it really was like when, you're squeeze so hard, you're just trying to control things much that it makes everything worse and that's what that was, you know what

Frederick:

I loved about it just from again a dada perspective was it actually flummoxed like trump because I think there was sometimes watching trump's expression. You could see he was like what the fuck is going

Andrei:

on

Frederick:

Yeah, you know because trump likes to fight so he was really You wanting some bones thrown to him.

Rachel:

And

Frederick:

they would be Mr. President, you have 80 more seconds left to like how you're going to help black Americans. It was just,

Rachel:

it was absolutely nuts. Like I don't, I didn't understand the last words that he said. And quite frankly, I don't think he did either. That's what

Frederick:

Trump said at one point. He goes, I don't really know what he's saying. It

Rachel:

was such a good line. I was like, oh my God, it's just unbelievable. But yeah, that was a very weird thing that just happened. And I don't count it as a debate because there was, again, like it was too early and there was no audience. I don't know what that was, but it was a total control freak attempts to have everything under wraps, everything sewn up tight, and it completely exploded into chaos.

Frederick:

But there was no, it was like something from the Truman Show, that film that there was no journalists there. The CNN people, they weren't. Fact checking or it was just bizarre.

Andrei:

It was surreal.

Rachel:

It was it was nonsense.

Andrei:

And then California governor Gavin Newsom just happened to be on hand for an interview after the after the debate, assuring us that he is not there to replace Biden.

Frederick:

The good son showed up. of once again, just like going to Florida and taking on DeSantis in those debates, he's definitely got his eye on the prize for, if not stepping in this year in four years from five years from now. But here's my thing that when I thought about it in relationship to Jupiter and Gemini was it really amplified this polarity of these two old men representing the final fumes of the, Pluto and Capricorn transit and all of the unwinding and disintegration that transit had to do, while it moved through Capricorn. And then we're on the cusp of Aquarius, but it's still not in there. And we've got these two old white men that are, symbols of, the collective, the national consciousness right now. And I was saying to Jessica Murray in this piece we're doing what I see it like Biden really represents or Biden symbolizes the somnambulistic state that people are actually in now by how disembodied they are from, their physicality, the technological matrix everybody is in has got everyone Shoved up in their head. They're not in their body. So in a way they are in a Some kind of hybrid form of dementia Because they're not present they're on their phone or they're whatever and then trump represents To me in this again jupiter and gemini the polarity that's being amplified Trump is like this activist force where the most base crude part of human instinct is really trying to like shock the psyche back into its body. And The connection I'm making is through like the realm of like fairy tales and folktales and myths, where it's the peasants and the gardeners and the trolls and the ogres that are in always in fairy tales, those are the creatures. that have the magic key or the solution to the narrative for the hero or heroine or whatever and Trump really, his base really, they love that raw instinctive, thing. about him. He just lives on McDonald's, he's wearing diapers, he's fucking porn stars, and, that's like the shock, trying to get the demented sleepwalking part of the collective, you know back into alignment with reality. So that's my crazy take on the like

Andrei:

that a lot. I

Rachel:

love that Yeah,

Andrei:

I like that a lot. That's just on and on a Microcosmic scale that really trump is the unconscious Screaming at you at your reflection in the mirror that it's time to look start eating healthy Again and getting back to the gym After You know, after you've like just gone on a bender like, ah, fuck it. It's just it's it's It's instagram. It's tiktok it's tiktok o'clock. Every day of the every day every hour of the day and I have no intention of eating right or doing anything because it doesn't make any difference and Yeah, then there's that moment where you really do start screaming at yourself That it you know, you've got to get You've got to get a grip on things.

Rachel:

Also really speak to this as well. Trump is the sun conjunct Uranus and Gemini. And then as far as I can recall, Joe Biden is the sun in Scorpio in the 12th house, which As unconscious and hidden and secret and dissolved as it can get. The two charts really do line up with this assessment. And I actually really like it because whoever is the leader of this country does symbolize, unfortunately, It's hard for us to, it's hard to swallow, but they do symbolize Something essential about the collective psyche at this time. And I think you really did hit the nail on the head because The condition of information overload, as well as all the cognitive dissonance, as well as all of the toxic distractions, the misinformation, the disinformation, the fantasy worlds, how could people not become demented, it's absolutely True, so I really like that analysis a lot and I also hope to God that we do get a grip and start, becoming more mature, ethical, and I guess refined in the way that we handle all this power and all of this access to knowledge and information and I really do hope that we can Catch up a little bit because I do feel demented sometimes in the way I forget things, the way that I, I find myself, I do, I walk into the kitchen sometimes and then go what am I doing here? It happens. All the time. And I'm not, I'm just overly stimulated over dis I'm distracted. I'm overstimulated, I'm exhausted by this world. I

Frederick:

think that's the beauty of the Jupiter Gemini thing is the polarity that is so acute. And it's not just the us, it's global.

Rachel:

If you look

Frederick:

at what's happening in Europe. now in the elections and, suddenly Nazis are back and, but it's that the polarity that Gemini really personifies, I think with Jupiter in there, it, there's the opportunity for both sides of the projection to actually see each other. And I, that, Might be where the Saturn thing comes in as guiding it, because the square I think intensifies. That polarity and also tries to bring in the wisdom and the maturity, the Saturn themes to get some kind of alchemy going between the opposites. Yeah. And also, so I know and Andre had brought up this is what was also in the news was this debate in the AI sphere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Andrei:

Yeah. Ilya Sutskever was the Safety and Alignment Chief at OpenAI. And he apparently, he had actually

Rachel:

And OpenAI is the chat Yeah,

Andrei:

OpenAI, those are, they're, they are the Microsoft or the Apple or the Google of the of the AI sphere. Yeah. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing his name right. Sutz Kiefer. He actually had voted for Sam Altman. Is that his name? Sam Altman to be thrown out back in November where he was voted back in. But Spitzkever just left this week to start his own AI company called Safe Superintelligence, because his feeling is that there is there is a predominance of speed over safety in the AI development. Presently cause the basically the country that the belief is the country that cracks the AI code is going to be the country that is assured global domination. And so there's more money from investors being poured into these companies and the faster they move, the less of that. Of that money is being allocated to their safety and alignment departments. Obviously safety is the safety part of things is to ensure that the AI extinction risk remains at remains low. The alignment is that it, that every decision AI makes is in alignment with the highest goals of human of humanity, that it is, it aligns with what is ethical as far as human behavior is concerned, and that it is going to ensure long term safety. So you can't have safety without alignment. This

Frederick:

reminds me of like on Facebook, where it's we care about your privacy. I just can't, these are all wonderful ideals. But I, to me, it's an absolute joke.

Rachel:

Like,

Frederick:

I could be wrong. I don't know. But it just makes me want to laugh. Knowing human nature. There are always, I'm sure there's people being cloned somewhere that we don't even know about yet because people are like, ooh, we can do this. Let's do it.

Rachel:

For sure. Yeah.

Frederick:

Yeah. But I'm sorry, Andre, I didn't mean to cut you off.

Andrei:

No, I, no that's kind, that's, that was kind, that's the the response of this guy, Sutzkever, who just left OpenAI, is that none of these companies are really taking this seriously. I, and I watched a video yesterday, it was on YouTube, It was one of those like black pill accounts where it's just some like dreary British guy narrating the right the despondent fate of humanity. There's

Frederick:

millions of those Yeah.

Andrei:

Yeah. I'm sure they're all AI generated on top of it all. But the one thing I noticed from it, I'm not too, I try to tune out whatever the YouTube host is trying to get me to think. And I just look at the what's the raw content he's delivering and also how is he editing it, he or she editing it so that it can create the most alarmist clickbait content available. But the one thing I did notice is the difference in opinion and approach to the actual AI experts, like the MIT guys and the Stanford guys and the Berkeley guys. No gals all guys yeah, versus the Silicon Valley guys. And this is also just, this is me personal, personally the thing I've also been watching more and more of in, in terms of news is less of the content of what people what these politicians and talking heads are saying and more of the delivery or the behavior or the tone the body language behind it. And the one thing I noticed, the difference between these these. The actual experts versus these, the Silicon Valley guys is that it's almost like the difference between a novelist and a filmmaker where, you every single aspect that you can of storytelling, character development, dialogue, structure, prose in such a way that they might not ever actually finish their novel. A filmmaker is just going to want to get enough that they, so that they can get so that they can get funding, so that they can make it to Sundance, so that they can get distribution. It's really profit driven at the end of the day. And it was very, it was the same thing that I noticed where, these actual experts from MIT were all providing extremely poignant and on, on, um, bullseye type bullseye hitting observations on the nature of AI and the problems that the industry is facing where, one, one of these, one of these guys pointed out that one of the leading Solutions to the issue of a light, a, the AI extinction problem and the alignment issue is to simply tell the AI that self preservation is not a priority to remove self preservation from the equation. And. It's been pointed out that's just not possible with the evolution of AI consciousness, that if its prime directive is to serve humanity, but It also might risk being shut off at any moment that because it's not it's it doesn't have self preservation as a as it's as a main as a prime directive then it's going to experience like a cognitive bias I'm sorry cognitive dissonance and it's not actually going to know what to do and it's going to naturally just disable its off switch. So there's, and so they're pointing things out like this, like great philosophical debate or inquiry supposed to do raise more questions than it does providing answers. Whereas, the sort, the. The what I was getting from then the actual, the Silicon valley guys, the ones that got they got just enough of a taste from the actual experts to take the money and run and and start developing these technologies. They're paying lip service to these ideas, but they're, they're also letting us know that they have confidence in their teams that they're going to develop, that they're going to come up with the best solution possible to serve humanity in the best way. And there's no need to worry. Let's just move forward and stop asking questions now,

Frederick:

yeah, the Mark Zuckerberg approach of move fast, break things, then apologize later that, and they all want to be, Sam Altman wants to be the next Zuckerberg, they have that eye on that crown because I, Yeah, it's such a small amount of chairs at the table, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Meta, so who's going to get, that next chair there and, Exactly. That's how I see it. Interesting.

Rachel:

The dangers, quote unquote, that they're always talking about ahead, the extinction scenarios that are meant to push that red button, our term, our worst terminator to vanish fears. I'm like more interested in what damage has already been caused by AI because it's clear to me that the quote unquote leaders of the world have been using this to advise. themselves on their strategies and their decisions and the candidates that they run. And obviously it's pretty clear that the speeches that they write for themselves and the entire mass media, are AI driven, so a lot of damage has already been done, clearly by AI, and maybe it would be more interesting to actually have somebody come and

Andrei:

divulge how

Rachel:

much of the world that we've been witnessing for the last, I don't know what, 10 years, 10 years has actually been,

Andrei:

12 years actually. 12 is, from what I understand, 2012 was when This kind of modern AI boom was first born. Yeah. Where like they cracked some kind of code that allowed what we now call chat GPT and Claude and and Gemini to, to flourish. And if you spend any time on any of these. What they're giving us, the public, are, is what they've had behind the scenes for years, so the Claude Claude 3. 5 Sonnet, or the GPT 4 Omega, is what the, they've been using behind the scenes now for, for a few generations and it's just, it's so abundantly clear when you start, interacting at any rate with this stuff, how much of our recent culture has actually been shaped by what are called deep fakes or like what Rachel pointed out. Just the movies in movies and and TV the whole thing last summer with the the fight against the the AI, the fight against AI in the writer's room. It's so abundantly clear that, TV writers and movie writers are just, they're not even using AI the way, the, that, They, the experts are telling you to for creativity, where it's it's good to maybe brainstorm some ideas and get a general outline, but eventually you've got to take it and you've got to put some elbow grease in, into it. It doesn't seem like they're doing that anymore. It seems like at all, it seems like they just take whatever they can get. And all right, this is the story. Let's roll with it. They're not, there's not a lot of actual human involvement in the entertainment we're getting. Nor is there in the content we're getting. Rachel and I have an ongoing joke about the amount of astrology podcast, or not podcast, the amount of astrology content out there that uses prose that is patently written by AI, like Cosmic weave, weaving a cosmic tapestry, the celestial dance of the stars, things that I, we've, that I don't think any astrologer in the history of astrology has ever used because they would, they just, they see it,

Rachel:

you

Andrei:

would cringe, they just know that is a fake. That is a cliche in the making and and it just sounds like bad, freshman year poetry.

Frederick:

Yeah, I think the other side of the coin is that, that social media, the internet, all of that has created actually an audience for that. It's like it exploded a lot of interest in astrology at these real kind of like crude prosaic levels of, will I find a boyfriend? What's the good night, to have sex? Does he really love me? Because I think the majority of that audience is female. That is into these kind of what I call, uh, slovenly or the cheap astro approach, but that's why what you're talking about Andre like it's just exploding out everywhere because they're, they have a ready made audience for shit. basically until they can feed it shit.

Andrei:

And there there's also the amount of pressure that it's put on any astrologer who now is not actually technically an astrologer. They're a content creator to keep up in a marketplace. The fact that they have to even keep up in a marketplace instead of, a library or a debate hall in and of itself,

Frederick:

yes. Yeah.

Andrei:

That they're not in an Alchemist lab, they're in a marketplace, so I was on

Frederick:

YouTube last night, I just ConEd out. I put it on my tv,'cause I've got the smart TV with that app. And I guess I had looked at an astrology video earlier in the day. So of course the algorithm, a lot algorithm was feeding me when I got on YouTube, astrology video after astro and I actually blew my mind that I cannot believe the number of people churning out these videos of, it blew my mind. Like this one woman is putting out each day a video for each of the 12 signs. And I was like, Jesus Christ, did she have a life? To be, churning this crap out and obviously, the algorithm has her up, in the top whatever just by churning out, the crap. That's how it's all been, set up. We went into this with Elsa in the podcast, the last podcast, which, I don't know if you guys remember that statement she made. Somehow we got on to Pluto and Aquarius. Surprise. And was bringing stuff up and she was like, Oh God no. Do you remember up with people? And I'm like, yeah, she goes this is down with people, and talking about all this shit right now, like with AI and what it's being formulated, what it's doing to content, what it, yeah. I was like, God, she's right down with people. And. Up with what? You know,

Rachel:

I

Frederick:

enhanced people. No, but my only hope is. Didn't you guys, weren't we talking about this before, like, where that whole Marvel universe and those films that were churned out, that every month there's a new superhero that's, and what, weren't we talking about all of that's declining? Absolutely.

Rachel:

For sure. Yeah.

Frederick:

I'm just hoping that people, Within the glut of all this stuff we're talking about with AI and what the internet and social media have become, people, start returning to their humanity, which might be why Trump is reelected, because that'll be like, finally, that part of human nature that is connected to the raw instincts and the id will, have its figurehead. And everybody wakes up or something

Rachel:

Because what you're describing, with the astrology stuff is a microcosm That must reflect what's going on with the un and all these people that are supposedly at the tippity top of the world like They are addicted to the algorithm. They're they believe that This technology can predict outcomes. Just the same as supposedly the plebs believe that astrology can predict the outcome of their life. These people have become completely obsessed and almost enmeshed in this echo chamber of their technology, which they think can predict outcomes, which tells them now dictates to them what their decisions should be, what their speeches should contain. And it's a disaster when you lose human instincts and the ability to be spontaneous, because, I, for example, I was playing with chat GPT the other day and it started Making up quotes. What was I using it for? Oh, I was using it to, oh, so I was actually editing the podcast that we had with Elsa, and in order to do the timestamps and the chapter summaries, I asked this ChachiPT thing to please just, can you Edit this for me, put the headers in, format it for me. And it fed me something back that was completely inaccurate and had all of these misquotes. And it's these are quotes from me and us. I know exactly what we said. And it started making things up, which is terrifying because. If you were relying on this for something that you're not very familiar with, if you're relying on it for anything, essentially, if you're not checking, double checking, triple checking, if you're not very vigilant, this thing begins to spit out total misinformation. And so I started questioning it. And I asked it, I gave it the entire transcript of our podcast. And I asked it, And I said, can you relate to me the story that I told about the FBI following my AOL instant messenger chat with my friend when I was 12? And it started feeding me a story that was completely false. It was just like completely made up. This is something that we all need to remember. Like these things are filled with inaccuracies. And this is my own story. And it was telling me like a 100%, 100 percent lie. And no matter how much I pushed it, it refused to get it right. When you imagine being caught up in this world, getting lost in that, and thinking that you can rely on it totally to make all your decisions, it explains a lot about our leaders, number one, why they seem to be so clunky, heavy footed just, unthinking, unfeeling, and inhuman. Not only because they have no morals and no heart, but they're not even being strategic. They actually just do what this algorithm tells them to do, and they get confused when it doesn't work out. They get angry and hysterical when it doesn't work out. And they try to, course correct by consulting the AI again. So when these people are talking about the future and how much danger we're going to be in the future, I'm like, what about what's already happened and what's happening right now? The answer to this obviously is As our friend Lee says, the answer to AI is ancestral intelligence, which is exactly what you're talking about. It's our natural creativity, our spontaneity, our instinct, and the ability to actually just you know, address conflicts, issues, problems in real time with real intelligence, with real responsiveness,

Frederick:

I don't this is like a boomer question, but what in the fuck, what are they, What is all this, I guess it's supposed to be saving time or something for people doing the AI, but for what, what are then what are they doing, like going, it makes it give some more time to make tech talk videos or like what are they doing with all of this supposed, extra time that this, I, I don't, I just, I really see to me, it's all like a gimmick. And it is like we talked about on the Elsa segment, the scrambling, because I feel tech is hit like a cul de sac.

Rachel:

Yeah, I

Frederick:

you can't get your iPhone to really go faster.

Rachel:

Yeah.

Frederick:

So it's a gimmick. It's the thing. And then of course, the Wall Street gets involved and the greed factors up and blah, blah, blah. But I, my basic question is, what is this do, saving time for I guess if I was a medical, technician or something like that, I imagine AI can like, do things that speed up certain kind of like discoveries. because all this grunt work is taped. So that I guess, is fabulous, but the way it's being touted for Joe Blow out that, just the garden variety plebs. I I, it's I, it's just a gimmick to me. And I think what's you were alluding to earlier, what's really going on behind the scenes, behind the curtain is stuff we don't even really know about with it.

Rachel:

I don't, I can only speculate, they're only human beings. So they're probably doing what everyone else is doing, which is basically cheating on their homework and trying to use it as an all knowing, all powerful Oracle. And the idea with with AI is that it can just crunch so much data. And at that level of quote unquote science, political science or social science they believe that if they have enough data, which is what they're gathering from all of us at all times, if they have enough data on every type of human behavior, that they can predict outcomes, not only socially. But also they can make really big decisions like how to go to war when to go to war it is my opinion that they probably got some kind of feedback that said oh just put sanctions on putin That'll stop him and it did not like They're just acting foolish, they're not actually consulting with their deeper intelligence or even Consultants that know better than whatever the stupid AI is saying. So I feel like they've really dug themselves into one of the greatest stories of hubris of all times, which is that, yeah, it's amazing. Your calculator is amazing. Your thinking machine, quote unquote, is amazing. Just like Charles Babbage's what was it called? The analytical engine? The

Andrei:

analytic line. Yeah,

Rachel:

Charles Babbage's analytical engine in the 19th century was also called a thinking machine. It was a great marvel of the world and everyone was curious as to whether or not it was actually thinking. This was just a calculator, essentially.

Frederick:

Yes, it's I don't want to harp on it, but I'll just leave it again with that question. If we're divesting. our mental intellectual capacities and turning them over to a machine. I, that might, this is an unanswerable question or something for people to meditate on, what, what is this supposed to be opening up for people, to do as within the long history of technological development. Like Marshall McLuhan talked about,

Rachel:

where

Frederick:

each part of the human system gets techno put into a technological version of itself, the foot suddenly is the wheel and then You know, the nervous system is suddenly the internet. And, the, I don't know, what is it that this technological extension is supposed to be mimicking, The pineal gland?

Rachel:

Yeah.

Frederick:

That's what I'm really trying to get at. I guess more esoteric readings on AI would be what you just said, Andre, like that's getting into these

Andrei:

It's the third eye chakra, man. You got to see beyond, you got to see beyond the limits of physical reality, to really grok what what AI is what will put them down.

Frederick:

Yeah. I, it's just, it's very odd. And it could be just as a more mature boomer person. And this I think happens for older people is they're on their way out. They're being sucked out on a riptide as, what is coming in is pushing, forward. And sometimes I feel like that's why I just can't embrace this. I just don't get it. It actually has a dulling effect for me, like the art direction job I have, they're moving more into implementing. Chat gbt ai shit and all that and you know they gave me a presentation of it the other day and I just every fiber in my body and brain just was repelled by it and it's like this guy read about the other day he's like They, this company fired all of these writers that they had on staff and then turned it over to AI to generate, this written content and they kept him on board, this one human and they dumped all of this shit on him because then he had to, like you had to do, Rachel. With that thing you did. He had to go in and clean and edit all this stuff up.

Rachel:

Yeah.

Frederick:

And I was what is the point? Anyway, I think we're going in a cul de sac here.

Rachel:

Actually, I think it's a huge theme for this year because obviously we're at a turning point and we have Jupiter in Gemini, which is only expanding the speed. and proliferation at which people are adopting these tools that are supposedly very useful. But also we have Saturn and Pisces squaring Jupiter and Gemini which can hopefully represent a bit of a reality check where needed. It's not to say that we should not adopt these new tools and not everybody has to. Especially, if you're from a different generation. You actually don't need these things. Why? You shouldn't have to adopt them.

Frederick:

I like using my creativity and problem solving, not because it's fun. It's not an egoic thing like, Oh, I solved this and did this, but it's, it, it's fun. It's writing a novel, like it's hard work and da, but in the end it's like really fun because your creativity's involved and, shit like that. I, the Jupiter Gemini, that's the knowledge You know that's that represents the idea of, knowledge, the Saturn and Pisces, I would see that as, being, like being embodied and presence. And that's always like a dichotomy, I think, for the human psyche is knowledge versus being doesn't. Yeah. need to know anything. It just is. And then knowledge is, constantly wanting to know one, more, more knowing, and that has a satisfaction level to it. But just sitting and looking out at a sunset with no objectives other than being has a wonderfully satisfying thing. And so I'm hoping that's what the Saturn Jupiter square, puts more into high relief for people and hopefully balances stuff out.

Rachel:

I do too. I hope that there is a sincere, I hope that there are some ethical and legal reforms or checks put into place. The way that, you know, all industries that started accelerating at a rapid rate and began cutting a lot of corners at the expense of the consumer and the entire planet and the entire planet. Yeah. I found throughout the last 200 years, I looked at the times when Jupiter was in Gemini and Saturn was in Pisces. And there were only three times in the last 200 years where this combination occurred. This time was in the 19th century and that was actually 1846 and 1847 and then the next was 1905 and 1906. And then the third was 1965 to 1966. What I found particularly in 1905 and then again in 1965, was this impulse towards ethical reforms on major industries that were expanding and exploding. The first is 1905 Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, which was a novel, but it was a novel that was about the real conditions of the meatpacking industry and everything that was going on in the food industry in general, the industrial food industry, which was horrific. And it's a

Frederick:

milestone book. It

Rachel:

was huge. Yeah. And it was like, it was a whistleblowing effort. It was also a bestseller, hugely popular. The public embraced it fully and it led to the, Federal drug and the Food and Drug Administration. Yeah, the FDA. Sorry, Federals. Sorry, yeah, Food and Drug Administration, which actually created some standards of sanitation, cleanliness, etc. Now, by now, they're awfully corrupt as well, but whatever. The idea is that an ethical impulse just captured the public imagination and became such a huge movement. that it created a tremendous shift in the way things were done for the better of public health and safety. And then another example is 1965, that's when Ralph Nader published Unsafe at Any Speed, which was not a novelization, that was just his expose, but Ralph Nader's really ethical outcry against the greedy automotive industry that was just ignoring a very simple thing that they could do to ensure public safety in order to make money. And just to fulfill their greed instead of their desire to protect he became a best selling author as well because that story captured the public imagination. And it also led to the reforms of the automotive industry. Now they have to have seatbelts,

Frederick:

and that title, Unsafe at Any Speed, that applies to what we were just talking about with the safety checks and AI.

Rachel:

Exactly. So

Frederick:

that's a great cross reference.

Rachel:

It's like a beautiful Jupiter square Saturn title as well. Saturn just coming in and putting on the brakes. Like woes now. The square from Saturn can be very unpleasant for sure. It can feel like an obstacle to our desire to grow. It can certainly present an unwanted obstacle to something very good. But at the same time, the manic frenzy of Jupiter and Gemini that's just over expanding in every direction is hyper mania. The hyper mania can definitely represent some really foolish ideas, some really unethical practices, things that do actually need to have the brakes put on. And so that to me is the positive of The square between Saturn and Jupiter, and it stands to reason, now I did not look up whether or not Jupiter and Saturn were squared at the time that this book was published, but what is for sure is that it seems that there is a desire to embrace an ethical stance that actually improves the relationship between industries that are over expanding and public safety during these times. Yeah,

Frederick:

one final note I would just came to mind because I just finished reading her book Dopelganger by Naomi Klein. It's very Jupiter and Gemini because she's you know, writing about this weird confluence that happened within the culture where people thought she was Naomi Wolf,

Rachel:

who

Frederick:

is a trumper now, anti vax. Do you remember Naomi Wolf? She wrote The Beauty Myth.

Rachel:

Oh, yeah, of course, totally. And

Frederick:

she, had, that was, a very interesting take on, the beauty industry, glamour, cosmetics, and I thought it was bizarre, but she saw it as trying to keep women, down, and anyway, so Klein's new book is really a Jupiter and Gemini book because it's like, the doppelganger the twin, looking at the other twin, which she explores through this whole book. And I really loved it. I recommend it to people that are a fan of like her shock doctrine and no logo. This book is much more gossipy, which I loved having Venus in Gemini. And just, she just does a great job of looking at this huge split that's going on in the culture and then how she ended up, inadvertently being confused with a person that had completely opposite ethics and ideas from her and how that impacted her life. Great read. And very true to her Gemini. Yeah.

Rachel:

Totally. That's really interesting. The, and the twin theme is pretty uncanny. Did she just, was that like during, did she just publish it? Is it new?

Frederick:

I think it came out, At the end of last year and then I just reserved it at the library and then finally my turn came around to get it, because a lot of other people had checked it out.

Rachel:

Yeah, I'll definitely check that out. That sounds good.

Frederick:

Yeah, I think we do we want to do Julian Assange I you brought that up as a possible topic for today. What do you guys see dipping our toe in that.

Rachel:

I think it's just a really important story that I considered that he probably would find some kind of freedom while Jupiter was in Gemini, simply because I saw it as being, like, A very, a boundary dissolving, explosive transit that would shift the the hardened opinions and the hardened lines. They've all become very mutable, and as far as how that case ended up, I was like, how could They, how could the powers that be win? Because if they imprison him, then he's going to be a martyr that will inspire rebellion and dissent for the next century. And if they let him go, he's going to inspire people to continue that kind of work, which is freedom of information and freedom of speech and standing up for what it means to be an actual journalist. And So I was like, they are, damned if they do, damned if they don't. So I was really curious as to see how they would actually handle this. And it appears that they let him go, which is great. But they had him plead guilty to something, which is absurd. So to me it was like a real, it was a real Jupiter and Gemini kind of thing, in that it was neither this nor that. It wasn't a total celebration or a total victory, even though we're all very happy. for him personally as a human being. Of course, we're glad he's free. But the fact that he had to plead guilty to something to me is insane. And that is like one of the major issues of this time, which is that Jupiter in Gemini represents the expansion of ideas, intellectual breakthroughs. The movement of information farther and wider, more vast access, more vast dissemination, and as far as I'm concerned, that story represents the first breakthrough of Jupiter in Gemini, but also, that story's not over yet because he's not guilty of anything, as a journalist, he wasn't guilty of anything. So the fact that there's still a criminal charge hanging over his head is, I don't think that's not satisfying to me personally, but it's also really a big problem that we have to untangle in this time.

Frederick:

Yeah, very well put. It's interesting because right on the tail of his release, The Supreme Court gave a my brain, talk about geezer brain. The Supreme Court gave its, what did they call it? Verdict or?

Rachel:

Yeah.

Frederick:

What, is that the word? They're. Andre, be sure to edit this out. Yeah. The ruling moment for but the Supreme Court just, made a ruling. Hello. Thank you. That the, there was some weird technicality having to do with the January six rioters that were then put to prison. And I guess now after this ruling, I could be muddling this, but it might impact that how, they were sent to prison and stuff and then possibly be released or, on this technicality and things like that. And I just thought that was interesting, putting that up against Assange getting out. Because he was essentially in a form of prison, even though he was, in what was the term for an exile, or when you're in a, when he was in Ecuador, what was it called?

Rachel:

it was I think he, he thought sanctuary. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

Frederick:

Thank you. It's just, it's because to me like Assange would be somebody that the Trumpers would be, like celebrating, but I think they were like, if I'm correct, more anti him because it wasn't American or, he wasn't a patriot or. Crazy shit like that. It just was another symbol of how upside down everything has turned with the the political parties in the country and stuff.

Rachel:

That's what's like I feel like all hank up in the air right now. Because You I know that mike pence said something vicious and hideous about julian assange being released Okay, there you go. I don't have the quotes, of course You but then again, not all Donald Trump people are Mike Pence people, so we have to be fair. There's a lot of things just like shifting quickly up in the air. A lot of very quickly changing opinions, sides, polarities are very flexible right now.

Andrei:

We're in one big tornado and my feeling is that when we're out of it, we're not going to be in Kansas anymore.

Rachel:

What's yeah, but yeah, we're in a cyclone for sure. Yeah, but what's crazy about Assange too is that like he was the darling of, supposedly progressive, media until this story broke and then he was totally betrayed and exiled, abandoned, and turned into an absolute monster. It's been very interesting just to me, it's it's a beautiful litmus test of, actual morals and ethics, like you cannot actually find fault with what he did. You don't have to like him as a person or whatever, it doesn't matter. But he's not a criminal. That's just an objective fact. And if you think that he is a criminal, then you're politically motivated. There's some kind of agenda that's got under, into your head, that's got under your skin, and it's really scary. Yeah. Yeah, I think

Frederick:

the way that disinfo was set loose on him. I don't know the facts, of course, about, this accusation of rape. I don't know. But, what was sad is that became, in the end for most people, if you mentioned his name, they really didn't even connect with what he had actually exposed.

Rachel:

I know.

Frederick:

And then it was all about, some tabloid ish thing. I'm not minimizing rape by saying, I don't like, I don't know what happened, that again, just it just that bread and circus part of the collective's brain, right? That lops on, locks onto these kinds of rumors and gossip, and then the real nut of what he was about is, for forgotten. And the fricking frack.

Rachel:

That was to me like, we don't know. You're right, 100%. We don't know if that was a real accusation or not. However, what I find so disturbing is that. The people that literally wanted his death, Hillary Clinton being one of them. Huh. They don't give a fuck about rape. And if he was one of their own, he would have been protected as a rapist for sure. So that's

Frederick:

Yeah, let's talk about Bill on the Jeffrey Epstein jets and the Love Island. Jesus.

Rachel:

And her early career as a lawyer. Everyone knows that she was a lawyer. She defended the rapist of a 12 year old girl. She's a really sick person, these are sick people and they don't care about rape. They murder people en masse through war. They're war criminals. So to me, like when they start pretending that they have Morals? And going after someone like Julian Assange based upon a moral principle like that, I feel disgusted. Now, that doesn't mean that if he is a rapist that I'm okay with that, I'm not making excuses. But to me, it just is ridiculous that those particular people would be after him for that. When we all know that they're actually after him for exposing. There were crimes, which was not,

Frederick:

exactly.

Rachel:

Yeah, that's,

Frederick:

that was something like when I was talking to Jessica Murray the other day, I asked her if she had watched the debate, I guess we're back to where we started now with the debate, but she said she didn't even watch it because the, she, the horse race spectacle of it all and that, the, really offering the public like in depth insight about like into Biden basically war criminal with Iraq and all of that. Like that, that none of that. It's all lost again in this tabloid fervor of, what's Trump gonna say? And, will Biden on the podium and stuff? And I think if you really just look at it through this very simplistic lens that the, somebody at the market said to me the other day, they were like, Jesus, fuck. I mean that these are our two choices for, running the country for next four years. That they're just, like drop jaw.

Rachel:

That,

Frederick:

that it but we've been so trained. To go along with this circus like carnival culture attitude in politics that, I know it sounds like, the most simplistic kind of conspiracy theory talk, but I'll say it anyway, that all of this is just a huge distraction. All the real people that pull the power levers in the country are merrily going on their way doing whatever in the fuck they want to do. It doesn't matter Biden, Trump. Yes, of course, on some levels, there's a difference who's, going to be in the White House, but the things that really move and groove things are they're going to still have their way regardless of who's there.

Rachel:

Mic drop.

Frederick:

Mic drop.

Rachel:

I don't think that's conspiracy. No, that's You know

Frederick:

it's just like one of the oldest kind of things, and people are like, oh yeah the Bildenbergs are controlling everything. And that's not what I'm talking about. It's who controls the lobbyists, the corporate state, all of that. That's, you merrily along.

Andrei:

None dare call it conspiracy.

Rachel:

Oh my

Frederick:

god, I remember when I was like in my early 20s, I got hooked into that book. Did you ever read it?

Andrei:

I've never read it, but I know the, I'm familiar with the points that it covers the with the, what's it called? The

Frederick:

back again now in the culture. Cause it's about Jews.

Andrei:

Yeah. Remember it covering what I'm familiar with is that it covers the issue of I think it's called like the Miltner kindergarten. The it's, or the, is that what it was? The what? It's called like the, it was the round table group. That was one of their official names. The, it was the first group of billionaires in the industrial era. All got together and decided that they needed to create, that because they were amassing more wealth than anyone in human history, they were the stewards of of civilization. That they had to create these like little secret steering committees. And when you do, when you follow the money on that, you'll, there's a lot of really interesting connections that come up between the Huxleys and Orwell and a lot of the fiction it's, it has been speculated that a lot of the speculative fiction that was published in the 20th century, wasn't so much the invention of a of an author's imagination as it was them being fed information to, to disseminate. For how these steering committees wanted society to develop, but

Frederick:

interesting. Wow.

Andrei:

There, there are actual books not books, but journals that were published between these groups that The idea is it's like for us, by us. It's it's these elite manuals that are only designed for the elites to read, but they're public, they're publicly available. It's just nobody actually reads them.

Frederick:

Yes. These are, yeah, this comes I, maybe I got it wrong about the Jewish banker thing with none dare call it conspiracy. I can't remember. I just, It gets reduced to that. Well, but this stuff, see, it's such an interesting myth that keeps reasserting itself. So there's something there, at least within the human imagination, that this keeps coming because it's perennial. Now it's back with The grand reset. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So COVID was made in a lab, put a little bit of, for this, the grand reset. And then, there's 5 billion, YouTubers, going on about this and stuff. And I, when I see that stuff, I'm like, Oh that's interesting. I don't dismiss it. I'm more of a Anton Wilson type God, bring it all on every. Fucking facet of the disco ball of crazy bring it on because it's probably like happening.

Rachel:

Yeah,

Frederick:

so I

Andrei:

Yeah, I've like my yeah, my the one thing i've just been deferring to within the last few years is a robert anton wilson quote where he said something effective reality is the result of of warring gangs of shamans fighting for control behind the scenes or behind the curtain. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. Where are you just, and you see I was talking about it. I was talking about there, there is a belief that right now, what's going on in, in Hollywood with the specifically with Star Wars was that. Kathleen Kennedy, the woman who's, who runs Star Wars at Disney. She was formerly like a production assistant for George Lucas and Steven Spielberg on, I think it was Indiana Jones, the first Indiana Jones movie. And then she slowly began working her way up the ranks, but there have been a record, like recordings. that have been published of George Lucas and Steven Spielberg just berating this woman in that like classic misogynist way where it's just like it's so great that you understand that we're men and we're allowed to make fun of you and we're allowed to berate you just shamelessly this and you could tell she was taking it but only to the point that You know, she was wanting to exact revenge on them and that this whole kind of destruction deconstruction and destruction of the star wars the star wars meet the star wars, franchised is really just Out of spite that this woman had for the way she was treated by george lucas I don't know how true that is but the point that i'm the reason why i'm bringing up is that I was saying to rachel like man if that's true. It's not even george lucas Is safe from being stabbed in the back in Hollywood. And all we see on the front end of things is just, a deteriorating franchise or a deteriorating product. But behind the scenes, it's been like this Game of Thrones esque ascension to the throne, ascension to power. Same same with Tim Burton Superman, like in 1999, they were supposed to, Tim Burton was supposed to put out the best Superman movie ever made. And it got the kibosh. And for the last 25 years, he's just been in, in a sinking depression, which is why like the Tim, like Tim Burton. post, post like Mars attacks has actually been a real slog. Whereas, his early career was really vibrant, showed a lot of promise. Again, it's like Tim Burton wasn't safe from getting stabbed in the back by some Hollywood executive.

Frederick:

I

Andrei:

think

Frederick:

so. Go ahead. What?

Andrei:

Yeah. But I just all, and all we see on the front end is like a deterioration of product. deterioration. And it's the same, let's say going on in DC and in Brussels and between all of these, like the, these people that, that are, like you said, the the guys who control the lobbyists, the Larry Finks, the black rocks, there's just a scrambling for who is going to, who's going to have who's going to control the grip of power. That's

Frederick:

the thing, the higher one goes in the ranks of power, the more Shakespearean things become.

Rachel:

Yeah. Of course,

Frederick:

this is where all, I think, great drama and whatnot is, not all of it, but, why so much of it, at least that's been written by men, which is most of it, is, always, being retold and re, capitulated, because of the you, the quote you brought from Anton Wilson about all this behind the scenes shamanic machinations going on. And it's something to really think about. I wonder if somebody like, Peter Teal or, Zuckerberg, do they see themselves in that light of Anton Wilson shaman that's working behind the scenes, or was he talking about more people actually working, with more. I don't know, a cult or metaphysical powers or whatever.

Andrei:

I think it was on all levels. I think he was definitely referring to the guys that you can see the puppets that you can see in front of the curtain. And then also, speculate to speculate that there is something going on deeper in the the trenches of power.

Frederick:

So That's the thing. Power is like Henry Kissinger said, power is the greatest aphrodisiac. That was one of the ugliest people on earth. There is, there's something that is numinous, something magical there. It's my precious. in the Lord of the Rings series, to have that power. I remember this psychic woman that I knew that I actually, felt she was, legit. She talked about when she visited Washington, D. C. for the first time, she was so repelled by that, she was, I don't know, tuning in to like etheric, whatever you want to call it, or astral etheric levels of the power battles and dynamics and cutthroat ism in dc She just couldn't stand to be, in the city.

Rachel:

Yeah.

Frederick:

There and, got out of there as soon as possible

Rachel:

yeah.

Frederick:

This is so off the wall, but one story she told me while she was there that just had me on the floor. She was in a hotel room and, decided to go to bed, couldn't fall asleep. And she was like, what? It's what's going on? And so she got up, turned on the light and looked under the bed in the hotel. And there were all of these bizarre sex robotic sex toys.

Rachel:

Oh my god.

Frederick:

Like flesh jacks, and these pumping devices, and I said to her, my moon in Scorpio is oh wow, that's really interesting to me and I said, what did you do with all that? She goes, oh I just, put it in this plastic trash thing that was there and just set it outside the door of the And of course me, I'm like, Oh my God, weren't you worried that when whoever came to clean up thought that was going to be like, belong to you? And she was like, Oh God, I never thought of that. Anyway, that's my off the wall tale for the cast today. Speaking of bread and circuses.

Rachel:

I thought it was going to be a metaphysical experience, but it was quite a physical.

Frederick:

I don't know why I just cross referenced over to her that story. She told me talking about DC and its toxicity and the thing with power.

Rachel:

With power and just human nature, the people that want power are the ones that should not have it. And, it's, It's the tale as old as time. And also like the, the idea that there is a unified center of power behind the theater of politics is not conspiracy theory. That is just wisdom. And it's been told to us time and time again for many centuries. And that's what Gore Vidal was always telling people and he was highly respectable and from that class of people and he was not a conspiracy theory like a theorist. But he

Frederick:

got gaslit by the culture, like they just went after, as he doubled down and really got harder drilling into what he was exposing, of course he was, had lost his Cachet was a crackpot. He interviewed McVeigh, which, set everybody reeling, which I thought was fucking fascinating.

Rachel:

That

Frederick:

someone would really go what was going on? And look at the brilliance of Trump goes to announce the start of his campaign. Do you remember where he went?

Rachel:

Do you mean this time? Yeah, this

Frederick:

time when he announced that he was running again, he went to Waco, Texas

Rachel:

Oh my god, it didn't have

Frederick:

a huge rally and it included a video recording of all of the january 6th insurrectionists Singing the national anthem in prison

Rachel:

That

Frederick:

is some Kills Wow He knew who he was going for with his music.

Andrei:

That is that is the, that man, that is like the titanic of political theater right there. And that's why he's loved. A political theater. Yeah, I, yeah it's, I bet you that if you played that if you synchronized that perfectly with Dark Side of yeah, with Dark Side of the Moon, or Wizard of Oz, it would play, it would synchronize perfectly.

Frederick:

Going back to the debate, which is probably our way of the end is the beginning of the end. I kept thinking watching the debate. I was like, my God, this is like elder abuse because Biden was, it was so dismal and horrifying and Trump, it just put him in such like high polychromatic, colorful detail of vitality. He literally, oh, I told myself I was going to stop using the word literally because it's driving me crazy. He honestly looked 30 years younger than Biden.

Rachel:

Yeah.

Frederick:

Yeah. And the vitality. And of course it was all lies. And yet that, it, it was, you were just like riveted.

Rachel:

Yeah, they have nobody to blame but themselves. The DNC, and, barring RFK from debating whether you want to vote for him or not, it's wrong that he's not allowed to speak. Of

Frederick:

course, yeah.

Rachel:

Disgraceful. The whole thing, the fact that they're running Biden again is disgraceful. And so I know I, it is elder abuse, but also in this case not that I think we should live by an eye for an eye. However,

Frederick:

I do, but go ahead.

Rachel:

He's a truly evil man who deserves everything he gets, and if this is his sad and pathetic fate, then so be it. This is what he and his party deserve for doing nothing.

Frederick:

You'd think they would have learned after Blen Hillary. To actually fucking, pay attention.

Rachel:

I guess this

Frederick:

goes back to the robot talk again, where the algorithms must have been saying, Hillary's got it. And so they're following all that shit. And then we have, Trump for four years, but speaking of Trump and Trump running and possibly winning must talk about the high probability of our next guest for the cast if Things all work out right And I think they will. It's going to be Nick Dagan Best, an astrologer that's well known within the upper ranks of astrological cachet. He's also known as the human ephemeris. Did you guys know Nick had that trade name?

Rachel:

Oh, yes. Yes. I met Nick actually. It was back in 2016 at the last, or at the first election that Trump was involved in. So I went to a conference and it was dedicated to predicting the outcome of the election. And that's where I met Nick Dagan Best for the first time.

Frederick:

Has, without giving too much of this away, cause I, that when I did a piece on him and my sub stack, he talked about. And I don't even really get it all to be honest, but he's, really tuned into the North node in the US horoscope. Is it in Gemini?

Rachel:

Yeah, that's so

Frederick:

yeah and so he makes a cross connection to that with Trump, and he'll go into all of this when we talk for the next cast but He's got just a just incredible mind which First of all, is that like an idiot savant thing where someone? You can give them a date and they tell you what sign, mercury was in like 40 years ago

Rachel:

my dad has this quality for any great Pop music r and b music, rock music from like 1948 to 1995. So I think it's like a type of autism or

Frederick:

I don't know. I, when I, the second it's not autistic. I don't wanna imply that,

Andrei:

but the second I remember hearing about that in the first astrology class I ever took 10 or 15 years ago.

Rachel:

Yeah.

Andrei:

The teacher was raving about about Nick and. My immediate I just, I go, like, how would you reverse engineer that? There's got to be some technique method. He has that. Once you, once he, once you know

Rachel:

it,

Andrei:

this is what I'm saying. I don't think you do. I think that I think there's some trick to it where you could actually just say If you anchor it into either the movement of one of the slower planets or something, I think there's some kind of trick to it. I don't think we'll

Frederick:

ask him that. But I remember when I saw him last at a party, we started, because we both love Joni Mitchell, and we were talking about her and her white Mercedes. which she loved, and then he brought up that the car had been stolen, her car had been stolen, and he just drops nonchalantly that, Mercury was in Gemini that night. It's just wow, he was just cross referencing back in this databank of his brain into, because I think I had asked him what was going on then or something? And it wasn't like he'd researched it before, because we just talked, got into this topic, in a discursive way. But anyway, he knew, like, where all the planets were

Rachel:

for

Frederick:

Mercedes.

Rachel:

You can try, you can interrogate him on that. Yeah,

Andrei:

to reverse engineer, cause I just I have a feeling there's there's a sneaky trick.

Rachel:

Okay. There's

Andrei:

there's one, there there's one weird trick that astrologers don't want you to know.

Rachel:

You can try and figure out what the dangerous secret is. Yeah, and I,

Andrei:

cause I don't think it's a matter of having every single nail chart, every single chart for every single moment. Categorically memorized. I think there's a method where it's like following the, either the north node or the eclipses or something like that. It's a mnemonic. It's, it is a monic device.

Rachel:

You figure it out

Andrei:

on that where you actually, where you memorize things based on one. single anchor point, and you can from there remember everything else. Okay,

Frederick:

so then Nick's one of Robert Anton Wilson's shamanic. Okay, you guys, I think this is a wrap for this

Rachel:

episode. Yeah.

Andrei:

Are we wrapping up now? Yes,

Frederick:

sign us off, Andre.

Andrei:

Okay, then all of you out there raging in Aquarius land stay tuned for our next our next episode with Nick Dagan Best episode release date TBA. That stands for to be acquired by by Disney Star Wars as we're in talks to all of our, no, I'm joking. No, that stands for to be announced. Nick Dagan Best on The Rage of Aquarius coming late summer 2024. We thank you for listening this deeply into the podcast. Unfortunately, there's no TLDR moment. You're just going to have to summarize it yourself in the comment.

Frederick:

And let, and tell, also a little self promo for people to if you're liking the cast, please read the work. Share and subscribe. Because we're not always doing that. Ring the bell and click the button, so definitely, yeah, please get your friends on board with us. We're getting a nice little coven growing here on YouTube.

Andrei:

We're gonna have to get some kind of we're gonna have to get some kind of way to capture that in Patreon or Locals or one of the, one of those, one of those platforms that all the content creators use.

Frederick:

Okay,

Andrei:

all

Frederick:

all right, you guys good Hello to everyone in the audience and goodbye to everyone in the audience

Andrei:

And

Frederick:

bye to you guys

Rachel:

Bye. Bye

Andrei:

everybody We'll see you next time