Raising Adventurous Kids with Jamie Wagner

Connect with Jamie and A to Z Adventure Gear

Lay and Play Adventure Mat
A portable baby play mat designed for travel and outdoor adventures. It gives parents a clean, comfortable place to put their baby while exploring parks, airports, campsites, and everyday outings.
https://www.atozadventuregear.com/products/lay-and-play-adventure-mat

Everyday Adventures: A Screen-Lite Guide for Raising Curious Kids
A guide with simple ideas to help families spend more time exploring, playing, and connecting together without relying on screens.
https://www.atozadventuregear.com/pages/screen-free-parenting-for-young-kids

The Story Behind A to Z Adventure Gear
How Jamie and her husband invented the Lay and Play Adventure Mat after struggling with bulky baby gear while traveling with their own kids.
https://www.atozadventuregear.com/pages/about-us 

Free Guide: 7 Baby Travel Hacks You Wish You Knew Sooner
Simple tips that make traveling with a baby easier and less stressful.
https://www.atozadventuregear.com/pages/free-baby-travel-hacks

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Welcome to the frame of podcast. Well, go to the frame of life podcast. Let's try it. Frame of Life Podcast. Famous mommy.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Welcome to the Frame of Life Podcast, a show dedicated to helping busy moms and business owners document their stories. Over here, we hold space to connect with tools to create and permission to play. I'm your host, Kiara Liu, a former attorney, turn pro photographer, sentimental memory maker, and the visual storyteller behind the Frame of Life. I wear a lot of hats, so to say, and I'm recording this podcast live from the messy middle of motherhood and entrepreneurship. Some say I'm the master of the pivot, but I like to think that I'm just the master of finding the magic in the mundane and shining light on the stories that connect us all. So whether you're a busy mom juggling all the demands of home life and mom life, a creative memory keeper or a small business owner looking to connect and leave your mark on this world, pop in your earbuds, lace up your sneakers, and let's get on this journey together. Our guest up next on the podcast has a superpower I haven't heard quite yet. She can fold fitted sheets perfectly every time. I had no idea that that was a talent that somebody could have, and I am proud to have her on the show today. That is not what we have her on the show as a guest for, though. Outside of folding sheets, Jamie is the founder and creator of A to Z Adventure Gear, a company that makes baby mats for travel. She found a problem when she was a young mom and created a solution to making it easier to take small trips with her kids and keep them in contained areas where they cannot get disgusting when she was unloading the car. I think this is a brilliant idea, and I really wish I had this when my kiddos were young. Today, Jamie's on the show talking about how she's reframed her business as her children have grown and as her client's base has changed. She's now offering different insights through her blog and free tools and resources for inspiring ways to get outside with your kids as you grow and so that you can connect as a family. It's really kind of cool. And I think you should check them out. So without further ado, let's dive into the show. Hey Jamie, I'm so glad that you're here today, sitting down to talk with us. It is like a long time coming, and you're finally here. Yay, hi. What's your life like today? What's going on over there?

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Oh my gosh, it's crazy. We are in the thick of sort of winter season, and we I live in Denver and Colorado. So um, I feel really lucky that we're in a place where we get like lots of snow and we have the ability to go to the mountains a lot. I just love that even now, we're we're also very lucky that although it gets very cold and snowy here, we almost always have blue sky days, so we're kind of spoiled.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

I know that's the best part about Denver. It was the first time I experienced winter and was like, oh, sun comes here, like in winter.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Like every day. I mean, my kids are like they're at the point where they're old enough to like make tough life choices, and that almost always involves wearing shorts. If like it's above 30 degrees, they'll wear shorts to school. And I'm like, all right, you whatever. I don't want to be hot later if the sun comes out. I'm like, yes, it's gonna be like 40 degrees and hot, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

You do you. Oh my gosh, you gotta love them. So we're on the podcast lately, we've been talking to entrepreneurs about stories that they're reframing in their business or in life right now. And I'm curious if you have any stories that you're trying to reframe for yourself right now.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Yeah, actually, this is like a good timing because my original business started with a baby product, which is like a travel baby playmat and activity gym, which is great. And I came up with that idea when I had a baby and a toddler, and I really, really was in the season of life where I was trying to get out and not wanting to carry all the things and really needed that. But I now have a teenager that just turned 13-year-old and a 10-year-old. And so I feel like we're in a very different season of life. And as much as I love my product, it's very hard to connect with people that have babies a little bit. So I've been doing a reframe. Think about how my business can be reframed to help parents so that as they get older, those are the things that they're falling back on. And they're like sort of grounded in that connection that kind of even just getting outside for a small little walk and having a little adventure is kind of your best part of your day. And so I'm really trying to, I it is really a reframe, and I've really actually just finished updating my website and I'm trying to put together a bunch of resources in addition to my my gear, and I'm still gonna sell my product and and I'm trying to bring a few other products on as well, but also some resources for parents that really are for parents that really want to raise those kids that are sort of curious about the world, they want to explore and travel and just enjoy the outdoors, love imagination, and then connect as a family.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Yeah, it's and it's so hard to juggle that as a mom and an entrepreneur to be having these big business decisions that you're making and big changes that you're doing, and then still be able to be present with your kids and not stressed out about it. Exactly, exactly. I know. Have you been struggling with that at all, or are you managing to keep them in different buckets like enough?

SPEAKER_01 5:35

It goes in waves for sure. I feel like we had a tough season last year. I feel like we're in a better groove, and I think that's a good thing to remember is that things go up and down and different your kids need different things at different times. And I was talking to a mom that had a baby and a toddler the other day, and her season is hard in a different way, you know? And so I think I'm very grateful. My kids ride their bikes to school every day. They like mostly make their own lunches, they like kind of handle their own schedule for the most part, and so I feel very grateful. But then there's also like big things that like we have to stop and like deal with this right now that are like so much bigger than diaper ash or yeah potty training or those things. So it's just it's different and it's good. Yeah, it's wild.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

How did you come into owning a company that makes baby mats? Were you doing that before you were a mom too? Like, I it sounds like this came about as you became a mom, but like what?

SPEAKER_01 6:27

No, it was definitely it's like the classic like we have a baby and a toddler, and we're traveling, we're trying to go all these places, and we need this thing, and it does not exist. My husband's an engineer, and we were literally like in a mountain condo just a couple hours outside of Denver, and we had to shove the car with all our stuff, and you get there and you're like, great, we have your cars full, you have all this food you're trying to unpack, and you literally have no place to put your baby. And you're like, this is dumb. And we literally were like, and we were traveling with my parents and my brothers, we had plenty of adults, we had like more than enough adults to handle the situation, but still it's like the baby wasn't happy, the baby wanted to play, and you don't want to put them on the floor, it's gross. You want to put them on the bed, they'll roll off. And like, literally, how you know. So when we're like, Oh, we need one of those baby mats, which we have at home, but you can't fit that in a car with all these other things, they're just bulky and like just really weirdly awkward. Um, so my husband's an engineer. We literally went home and we like started figuring it out and we built our own. That's so cool. I love that he's a part of this. Like, yeah, yeah. He was he's like the whole design, yeah, behind it. He was he was really big in the beginning and and then he still kind of has a background, but he's he's the chief engineer, chief designer. Oh, that's awesome. What was your background in before? My background is in international affairs and nonprofit management. I spent lots and lots of time working for international nonprofits and then kind of being a consultant. It's a big change. Yeah, it's a big change, it's totally different. Yeah, yeah. So, and I I've dabbled in all kinds of things from alumni organizations to disability advocacy to international nonprofits and kind of everything in between. I love that so much.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

It's like you have such a brilliant brain to be able to still use that and tailor it into a company that is solving problems for people is really helpful for the world. It is.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

It is. I feel like though I had a so much to I feel like I started from like ground zero, so much to learn, like marketing, like all those things like I didn't know anything about. And I still so it's fun because I feel like I'm always kind of learning still. But then sometimes I'm like, how do I not know this?

SPEAKER_02 8:28

No, there's too many hats. Nobody tells you that being an entrepreneur, you're gonna wear all of the hats. All the hats, all the hats.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

I know, I know. And sometimes I'm just like, and then I figure something out, oh, why didn't I do that before? That was so easy or not. I know. I know it's easy for some, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

It's not always easy, right? Oh, so I want to ask about your superpowers here. So do you think you have a superpower that makes you unique, that helps you in your life? And it it can be any kind of superpower, but I'm curious what you would define as yours. I know.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

I was is I love this question, and I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, what are my my first number one superpower is I can fold a fitted sheet like nobody's business. But I love it. I've never heard that one. But I had a little trick I learned a long time ago. I think it's two things. One, I'm just I'm very practical, and I kind of have the ability to like step back and look at things from like, I don't know, almost like I'm looking like in a window at a situation and like kind of lay out like be very practical. Another one that's kind of funny, but I think it's very true, is um I was I kind of am like dubbed like the mom mentor around our neighborhood and like on our swim team. And this summer at our um kids' swim team, I was actually given the job of being like the person that all the new people ask questions to because it was kind of like I was falling into that role already, and I was like, How are we not helping all these new people? This is like a lot to handle, and they're like, Great, it's your job. Um, and my friends were like, We're gonna make you like an ask me shirt because I'm just like the one who everybody's like, What do you think about this? What how can we do this? I think I just enjoy like kind of leading people through places that I've already been, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

Um so it's amazing. Were you always like this in your life? Is that something that you've you've had as a trait since you were little? Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I'm an oldest daughter, so I think kind of by default, like, yes. We need one of those in every group. That's awesome. We love it. So, in this season right now of your life, what is something that you want to most remember?

SPEAKER_01 10:26

I think it's sort of the little moments, especially with my kids. I made an Instagram post the other day, just like my favorite part of the day is my daughter calls me every day after school and she's like, Mama, do you want to come meet me after school? And she rides a bike, but she like lets her friend go, you know, eight blocks before our house. And every day she calls me at exactly the same time. And it's so cute. I'm like, I'll just come. Like, you don't, but I love, I don't tell her not to because I love the call. And I walk the dog up and the dogs get ready for it, and it's just that like 10 minutes where we walk together and she kind of tells me about her day, and it's sort of like those little moments, or at the end of a long day, I feel like my kids are very heavy. You know, we try not to overschedule them, but it's inevitable. That, you know, last night I was at a work event, they were out, and we finally like all sat down on the couch at I don't know, probably 8 30 p.m. And you know, my 13-year-old curled up on my lap and was like started playing with my hair and was like, Let me tell you about this thing that happened at school today. So it's like those little moments that it's just like it's nothing, it's not the big extravagant trips or the big crazy things. It's just all those little moments of connection.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

I love it. And that reel that you shared, I'm gonna, I'm gonna link it in the show notes because I really like it connected with me so much where I was like, it's just nice that you took a moment to realize that, reflect on it, and sush that. And it was like it's so powerful because it people think sometimes that these little fleeting things are meaningless in the day scheme of their life, but then when it's when those moments are like hitting you in the gut and you're like, I kind of love this right now. There's something magic right now.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Right now, exactly. And that's sort of how it feels.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

It's like those little little bits. Yeah. I feel like the same thing with like the going around the block. Somebody asked me like what my favorite part of my day was. Like, I think it was a podcast interview I was on a couple months ago. And I was like, it's actually getting out and walking around the block with the kids. They get on their bikes and they zoom and I'm behind them, and we're just outside 5 p.m., which we can't do now because it's dark. So it's like, I actually am glad I took a moment to like that. Exactly. I love that. Those are like simple moments of connection that you can have any time. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

And that's those are the times when the kids like end up start telling you about something that happened at school or something that's tough. It's not when you're like, well, how was your day? Tell me everything that happened. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

So thinking a little sentimentally along this line, like, do you have a legacy that you're trying to leave for your kids in the future? Or do you ever think of that word when you go about how you run your life?

SPEAKER_01 12:50

That's a good question. We have a very strong community where we like our neighborhood and our community. We live in a in the middle of Denver, but like in a very old part of town. And a lot of people have like our both our both my husband and I grew up in this neighborhood. We've lived in this neighborhood. We have a lot of people that have lived here. And so just sort of that that connection to like this tight knit, you can have this tight-knit community in a big city. And just that idea that like you don't have to do what everybody else is doing. Like, you need to do what works for you. And that might be something really simple. Like, it doesn't have to be keep up with the Joneses. That could be, you know, kind of enjoying where you're at, but taking a step back and realizing like it doesn't have to be all the bells and whistles and the devices and the apps and fancy things all the time. You can just still go outside and just ride your bike and take a walk. And like that's great. Oh, I love it. It's just a simple reminder again. Yeah. And we do like a ton of like outside like living. Like we eat dinner outside as much as we can, even in the like winter months. Like we have a heater in our backyard, and or we'll like, you know, come home from school and we like sit outside and play outside. And I invite friends over and we have wine on the back porch.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Like, oh, that's the best way to live. Yeah. And good at bundling up, I imagine. Yes, that's it. Okay, tell me a little bit more about your business right now and what you're excited about inside of it.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

So I am really excited for the shift. I I guess because I had such a non-business background and a non-marketing background, I think for a long time I was just like not exactly knowing what I was doing. And so I feel like I've really taken a step back to be more thoughtful and really kind of taking putting on that a little bit of that mom mentor hat and saying, like, how else can I help some people that have been in my business world and started out with babies? Like, those are my people. But I have I want something else to give to them and they want it. And so can I share with them some other things about just simple ways to live and how to raise kids that are curious and connected? And then also like more practical things like you know, guides for how to ski, go, you know, go skiing, take kids skiing or take kids camping or things like that, things that we love. And again, are those really special moments where um we really connect as a family. And again, you can kind of get away from the crazy world. And like trying to teach people that, you know, you don't have to go all in to just get the the benefit of those memories.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

I love that. That's a good reminder too. Okay, so I want to talk a little bit about memory keeping. Who's the memory keeper in your family?

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Me for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Yeah. It's not always, so I love to know.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

Yeah, no, it's me.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Do you have anything that you're feeling um mom guilt about in the memory keeping world? Or are you feeling pretty on top of things right now? I would say it's a little bit of both.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

I feel like I'm very disorganized, but I love like the new search features, and I have done a good job of like sometimes I feel like my kids are like get mad and I'm like, I'm not gonna frame this picture. I just want to remember we did this. Like, you know, and I'm not so much of like taking all the pictures, but sometimes I just want to like take a picture at a restaurant, like to remember that's where we came to this restaurant or we did this thing. I definitely wish we had some better organization, but one thing that I've done that's super fun, um, and I just did it for the holidays this year, was um, I love to pick out some favorite pictures for the year and I just go to like shutterfly or wherever instead of doing like because I used to try to do a calendar or a photo book from the year, and that just felt super overwhelming. And so now I get like do a notebook or notepad for like the grandparents and for everybody in the family, and I just put like four or five pictures because one, it's useful and you're using it every day, or at least I still use like physical notepads, and then I've started to let my kids like you can go in and make little post-it notes where you can add pictures. And so I've started to let them make one for each other and like pick out the picture for each other and write, like, you know, from the desk of or whatever on them. And it's been a super fun, I think they're just super fun, like grandparent gifts, but like bringing some of those memories in without getting so overwhelmed with trying to make like a photo book or a calendar, because I used to do that and I would just go crazy.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

I know, and it I think sometimes it takes that reminder because it's like beat yourself up because you can't do it perfect, and there's too many pictures, like photo books require like 30 pictures at a minimum, and then you calendars, it's at least 12. Yeah, yeah, it becomes this thing that going through hundreds or thousands of pictures from the year, it can feel overwhelming. So even if you break it down into something that needs one or four pictures, and you're still getting that highlight and something new and fun.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

It's and I get super type A. I'm like, these pictures have to be balanced. And if I have a picture of this grandparent, then I need this grandparent or this kid, then I need this many of this kid. And so, like that was just I am trying to be better about like organizing my folders, especially as kids get older, just by like events and stuff, like cross country, swim team, like things like that, so that we can draw it's a smart way to do it because I mean the search features now on your phones are so great.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

So you don't have to organize everything, but it's really kind of fun to have little buckets that you can put everything into and not feel too rigid about it as you go.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

And it's fun to go back and look and just say, like, oh, let's look at all your cross country pictures, or like, let's look at all the like um pictures from this trip or something. I did um my daughter and I, after we went on a spring break trip this year, we went to Costa Rica and she really got into like making the slideshow. And so I kind of let her go on my computer, and she did such a good job, and she was like so proud of it. And it and then we had gone with my parents, and so she gave it to my parents as a gift, and like everybody, it was so much better than a book because she put music to it and it was really cute.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Oh, I love that idea too. Like, I'm seeing my eight-year-old's already starting to try to do that. She's she's like, give me the phone, I'm gonna capture this photo or I'm gonna do the story. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Let them do it because she loved it and I didn't have to be stressed out about it. She did a great job. I like fixed a couple things. I was like, Oh, we may want to add this one in. I mean, yeah, same thing. She's 10, so same difference.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Oh, nice. Oh, it's awesome. I I think it's such a fun way to get them involved and it shows them the benefits of why you're taking these pictures all the time. So I know, I know they do start to get like, don't take my picture, I don't like this, but they do always love to look back at pictures of themselves. This episode of the Frame of Life podcast is sponsored by the Retail Playground, a community created for retail founders, makers, entrepreneurs, and dreamers who are building creative businesses. What I love about the playground is that it's not just resources and workshops, it's a supportive community where wins are celebrated, challenges are shared, and you never feel like you're doing entrepreneurship alone. And because you're a listener of this show, you get an exclusive perk.$15 off your membership every month. I'm thrilled to share it with you. Use the code FOL15 at checkout or click the link in the show notes to join us inside the playground. Do you have an MVP photo on your camera roll right now? Like one that comes to mind that you're like, I never want to lose this photo. I need, I think of this often, or is there anything in there with it?

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Oh yeah, I love this question. And the one that came immediately to mind was like, it was like the classic, like we were doing a family photo shoot with like all the extended family, and it was like everybody was grumpy and nobody was able to smile for the the photographer, but it was like the light was good and we were in a beautiful like city park. It was beautiful, the kids were dressed up, everybody was clean, and like while they the photographers taking pictures of like other family members and not us. My kids were just playing around and I just was like, stop, just hug each other. And I like took a picture with my phone right then, and I was like, literally, that is the best picture. And it was like such a good picture because again, the light was right, like I didn't plan any of that, and they were all dressed up, but I was like, I'm gonna do that every time we have a photo shoot because it was automatically on my phone, it wasn't a gigantic file, and they were relaxed, like they weren't like trying so hard. Um every time that picture comes up, it just it reminds me like that again, you can make things simple too. Like there's there's reasons to do like a big photo shoot, and that made sense for the bigger family, but on the other hand, you can also have really special things that are super simple.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

It's a really great reminder. I love this whole thing that's coming out of our talk today. It's all about just like how even the big things can be simple and just keeping things simplified and streamlined, and you don't have to worry so much about it. There's magical time. Sometimes it is just magical, yeah. And it's such a good, like, I love it. That's so cute. Okay, um, let's go into a little bit of rapid fire for you. Do you have a favorite recent purchase?

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Just my dog has like been a little out of sorts lately. He's just like has so much energy. Um, so we bought this like really fun puzzle. It's called the puzzler or something, and where you put little food in, and he really like it's I we've had other ones before, but this one he really has like move his nose around to like get to the containers, and it's super fun. It's just easy to like. Yeah, it's great. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

I think my dog came into his prime right now with the cold. He just doesn't want to come inside and he just wants to run around.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

And then he barks at the neighbors, and I'm like, you have to come in. And then we go out to get him and he just wants to be chased. I'm like, I do not have time for this, and it's freezing. Yeah, send me this link right now. Okay, I will. Yeah, it's super cute.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Um, okay, are you a more of an audio or physical book kind of person? Or neither.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Oh man, I do both. Honestly, I'm always reading like two physical books, and I always have an audio book that I'm like listening to while I'm doing like laundry and dishes and stuff like that. Oh, it's fun. I'm always reading like four or five books at one time.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

I have that problem too. I think it's a toxic trait a little bit because I mix them all up. Yeah. Like I don't know who's talking and what. Are you reading a mix of fiction and nonfiction or what what's your go-to of choice?

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Right now I actually am. Yeah. I have a little bit of both. I always am trying, like, I usually do some like a little bit more like no-brainer fiction that I can just like kind of have in the background. Doesn't really matter. Like some usually it's like some murder mystery or something that it's just kind of like I like. Um I do like some, yeah. Sometimes I'm trying to read like business-ish books or things to like help with my business. Yeah, just always keeping different genres. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, right now I've got, I'm just looking here. I have um, I really like this one, the Marie Forlio, everything is figure audible.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

I have not read that book yet, and I need to. I I like the saying. I was like, I think I got it.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

It's that's what I'm like. It's like you don't even need to read the book. You just need to like, I love her introduction. It's like everything is figure audible. And it's so I have had some moments, especially as I've been like working on my website, I can't do this. I'm like, no, everything is figure audible. Like, I will figure it out. Oh and then I'm also reading Kenny Chesney just came out with a new book. And once upon a time, I lived in the Caribbean and I was a bartender. I met him and we became friends, and so he actually sent me a copy. And so I've been reading that, and it's a really good book.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Oh my gosh. You're still friends with Kenny Chesney? That's so cool. Is it an autobiography? Like, is it?

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Yeah, it's very it's very interesting. He does a really good job. Like, I've never read an autobiography of like uh, I guess a singer or uh even an actor or an actress, and he just really like talks about his life. It's like very chronological. I'm not even at the part where where I've been, you know, where I was part of like met him yet, but it's just so interesting to see like what you go through to be in that industry and all the things he did. And and so yeah, I just I mean, just as like a personal, he's a very like kind, genuine guy. And it's also interesting because I lived there and he would come down so often. I met a lot of people in the book too, that and I'm like that person was his friend from growing up. I never knew that. I thought he was his like, I don't know, manager or something. Like, I don't know. It's interesting to just to see all these intersections of different people.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

That's wild. Are you in the book?

SPEAKER_01 24:40

No, I don't know. I mean, I haven't read it all. I don't think so. Could you imagine? No, but but like I in the like in the Royal Wii, there's like all these, you know, bartenders that I met, and you know, he kind of talks about it as a big group of people, so like I am one of those people, but not specifically no. But a lot of people I know are like me specifically. Yeah, so it's kind of fun. What was your specialty drink that you made down there? Oh man, it was like, you know, it was like full on like I was at US Virgin Islands like Caribbean bar, so it was like I think the most popular was definitely the bushwhacker. Oh, what's that? Man, it's it's actually really good. It kind of um, and I can still like this is 20 years later, I could still make it like with my eyes closed. It tastes almost like a chocolate shake, but it's basically like it's vodka rum, kalua, and um cream of coconut and um Bailey's so it's like yeah, so it's like basically it's like you're 98% liquor, yeah. And then you it's frozen, you it's like a blended drink frozen with whipped cream. Oh my goodness. Yeah, super good. That's so funny. What brought you to the Caribbean in the first place? Just a sense of adventure, just kind of wanting to take a little break between college and grad school and go live in an island. I love that. I would try not to be too serious about my life. And um that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

That's a really fun little part of your story. I didn't know. I know it is a really fun little part of my life. Where what what island were you on? I was on St. John in the U.S. Virgin Islands. My gosh, a terrible place to live. You chose a terrible place. Really rough. I'm so sorry for you. I know. Don't you feel bad? Yeah, really bad. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay. So do you have a favorite mom hack or entrepreneur hack that you use and swear by?

SPEAKER_01 26:33

I guess I would honestly say like the mom hack is like if the kids are um like out of sorts, like literally go on a walk or go outside, like or put them in the bath, like put them in water or put them outside. Like, like switch it up and yeah, just be like, all right, we're going on a walk. Like it works every time. It gets a kid, you know. It's so and my newest one with my bigger kids are when I'm like, why did this happen? I don't, you know, I don't know. She keeps keeps saying, I don't know, I don't know. I'm like finally learning to say, you don't know or you don't want to tell me. Oh, actually, I don't want to tell you.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

I'm like, okay. How can we all get a hold of you and learn more about your maps and get some of the resources that you're talking about? Where's the best place to go?

SPEAKER_01 27:14

So my website is a great place. I just redone it. So all the resources are there. I have a lot of really fun freebies, depending on like what stage of life you're in. I have a whole list of mini adventures. If you just need some ideas to get outside and do like a quick little adventure with your kiddos, I've got some more like travel, like packing and skiing, like checklists that are super helpful. Um, and then I've got a really fun, actually, my most popular is kind of uh hacks to traveling with kids or with babies, actually. So I've got all those. I'll give you the link to that page that you can just pick a free, you know, freebies if you want. Great. I try to be active on Instagram. I kind of go in different seasons, but I'm pretty I'm recently been pretty active, so there's some fun stuff there. Yeah. Here's here's your last little story. So it's A to Z adventure gear, and I have a daughter named Annabelle and a daughter named Zoe. And so that's why we called it A to Z. So it's for our kids. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

I love that so much.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

No, see, here we go. Now I won't forget it.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Yeah, yeah. And so I feel like it's a little bit generic, like, but when you hear the story, then it's super cute.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Yeah. And it's, I don't know. I always thought of it as like it'll get you from all of the places.

unknown 28:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

And everybody's like, so you're not having more kids, right? Because you already have your Z. And I'm like, yeah, that's right. Or I'm having tutu.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Oh, that's awesome. Well, I can't wait to like add all of these links in the show notes and get people over to you to follow along on your journey. Thank you for being here today and sharing a bit of this story. Um, I want to, next time we hang out, which we've never gotten to do in real life, like, I want to try this drink.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

Absolutely come make it for you.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Perfect. Well, I'll get there one day. Well, thank you so much, Jamie. We'll talk to you soon. One of the things I took away from this conversation with Jamie that I loved the most was how she's simplifying everyday life. She's simplifying the way she creates memories with her kids, simplifying the way she gives gifts, and simplifying the ways that she finds golden nuggets of joy every day by getting outside and appreciating the time that she has together with her family. I think it's a powerful reframe that not every memory has to be grand and extravagant. You can find joy in the everyday moment. And she's doing just that with her adventure gear and the story she's telling over on her website at www.atizadventuregear.com. Inside her show notes, I'm sharing all the links that she's talked about throughout the show. If you enjoyed the show today and you would like to send this to a friend, please do it. Drop down into the player that you're listening in and share it with your friend. Um, you can copy the link, and while you're there, please make sure you're following our show. We want to make sure that you get all of the latest episodes as they come out and that you're not missing a beat. I am so grateful that you're here and I would love your feedback if you want to give it to me. Send me a note on Instagram at frame of life project and we can chat inside the DMs. And until next time, I'll talk to you later. Bye bye.