What If The Moon Is What You are Missing with Manifesting - Jen Sankey

Manifestation gets sold like a shortcut, but your life doesn’t change on a timer. We sit down with author, tarot reader, and professional witch Jen Sankey to talk about a different approach: manifesting with the moon in a way that’s tangible, repeatable, and built for real humans with full schedules, real emotions, and zero interest in gatekeeping.
We dig into why so many people feel stuck with modern “high vibration” manifesting culture, and why strict moon phase rules online can freeze new witches in place. Jen breaks down how every phase of the lunar cycle has a purpose, so you’re not waiting around for a perfect new moon or second guessing whether the full moon is “only” for releasing. We also explore the difference between tossing a wish into the universe and building momentum through reflection, action, and honest self inquiry.
One of the most helpful takeaways is Jen’s framework of lunar spirit, lunar mind, and lunar body, plus how tarot spreads can help you narrow your intention, spot resistance, and stop manifesting goals you don’t even want. Along the way, we call out red flags in pricey manifestation programs, share practical ways to work with current moon timing, and get a fun peek behind the scenes of tarot deck creation and Jen’s upcoming projects.
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Jen Sankey is an author, deck creator, tarot reader, professional witch, and speaker. She blends tarot, lunar magic, and spiritual guidance to create transformative tools. Her works include the award-winning Stardust Wanderer Tarot (Self-Published), Enchanted Forest Felines Tarot (Llewellyn), Manifesting with the Moon: A Lunar Guide to Magic (Llewellyn), Feb 2026 Goblin Whispers Tarot (2028, Llewellyn). Jen shares her knowledge through workshops, events, and online platforms, inspiring others to embrace their intuition and magical potential. You can find her at www.stardustwanderertarot.com

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

GDC 0:01

Welcome to Belief Being and Beyond with your host, Granddaughter Crow. Hi everybody, Granddaughter Crow here with yet another episode of Belief Being and Beyond. And we love to go beyond with you. And today we get to go beyond to the moon. To the moon and back today, we have Jen Sankey. She is an author, deck creator, tarot reader, professional witch, and speaker, which you'll find out today. Lovely, lovely, lovely. She blends tarot, lunar magic, and spiritual guidance to create transformative tools. Tools for you. And the way that she does it, in my humble opinion, is so tangible. She takes your hand and she walks step by step with you. Her work includes award-winning Stardust Wanderer Tarot, which is also the handle on her website, www.stardustwandererToro.com. And it was an award-winning book that she self-published. Also, Enchanted Forest Feline Tarot has come out with Llewellyn Manifesting with the Moon, A Lunar Guide to Magic, which is what we're going to be talking about today, which just dropped this year in 2026. And then I heard Goblin Whisperers Tarot, but that is in the future, like maybe 2028. Maybe we could talk to her a little bit about what is up and coming. Jen shares her knowledge through workshops, events, and online platforms, inspiring others to embrace their intuition and magical potential. Again, like I said, you can find her at wwwstardustwanderow.com. And without further ado, let's bring on Jen. Welcome, Jen, to the podcast.

Why Lunar Manifesting Feels Grounding

GDC 2:10

Thanks for having me. I am so excited about talking with you about manifesting by the moon. One of the things for me is I actually am a cancer son, which is ruled by the moon astrologically. And so beyond stones and collecting stones as a gateway drug to witchcraft, the moon was there with me every single night and day, because you can see in the sky. And it is what I drew on. It is about who I am. And I love this understanding that you can manifest with the moon or by the moon because a lot of, and I'm just jumping right in, a lot of times we hear formulas to manifestation. And these formulas are very like man-made because we're men or women. But manifesting by the moon makes me feel like it's holding your hand through the phases as it changes, as it develops, as it is becoming just like your manifestation. So I find this book to be very, very empowering as well as not just let's manifest, which of course we're doing, but also empowering in that I get to know myself, I get to know how I manifest, and all the tools. So I just wanted to say thank you from a moon child. I got my moon shirt on today, people, and I am all about the moon so much. So thank you. Because this is a new companion for me.

Jen S 4:14

Thank you. I really appreciate that. Thank you. I'm so honored that you you both enjoyed it. Um, you know, I I like to be practical. That's what it comes down to, because a lot of these things that that are out in the the internet is everything's so complicated. And you need this special thing and this special thing. I, you know, I'm a mom. We own a business. I have my own business. I write, I have four kids. I'm like, I'm to be able to do it quickly, efficiently, effectively, and with stuff that I have around, you know, I'm not ordering one ounce of an herb from some ancient lands that it costs $200, you know, as much as I'd like to, but we just don't, I'm not gonna do that. A lot of times what I've noticed is that when people can't get the items that they need, they wind up just getting, you know, into overwhelm and they stall out and then they don't do it. And that's really what I wanted to avoid when sharing this book with everyone. Like, just do it.

GDC 5:19

I love that. So, Jen, I'm gonna toss it over to you because I'm all lunar over here. Woo! And she is gonna ground us a little

Moon Phase Misinformation And Gatekeeping

GDC 5:30

bit.

Jenny 5:31

Yeah, I just want to say um it's a beautiful book. So I recommend it also. It's a beautiful cover. I work with a lot of new witches, and it is very overwhelming for them. You know, there's like all this misinformation on the internet, but then there's also all of this, it has to be this way and it has to be this way. And this really takes out the guesswork because I think um it's interesting to me. I've been a witch a long time, and you could probably speak on this more. But when we like I first became a witch 30 years ago, really all we talked about was the full moon for the most part, and then fast forward and everyone's like new moon, like new moons become the new full moon online anyway. And then so you have both of those, but then you have all the other phases, which I feel like don't get enough love and attention because I find that a lot of new witches are waiting, like, I gotta wait for the new moon because I can't do anything, can only manifest on the new moon, and that's the only time I can do it. So, can you talk to everybody about that and like how that is misinformation and how you kind of fix that here?

Jen S 6:37

Well, I I I appreciate that you saw that. So thank you. Um, and your earrings are fantastic, by the way. And yes, so you know, especially now, like you said, there's so much information and there's so much like gatekeeping, there's so much all of those things. And a lot of people, when they're sharing this information online, like don't do this, don't do that, don't do that. It comes from their own fears and their own perspective of maybe something they were taught, or maybe just just really, it's just like they're just scared to do it. So they want to project that onto someone else, and they do that because they want, they kind of want, you know, some you know, buddies in their scared little realm. And and a lot of people that I talk to that are new witches, um, you know, I'm like, okay, I understand. And maybe they had a bad experience, or maybe they just are too afraid to really learn about it, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen for you. Um, and you know, you're so correct, Jenny. Like 30 years ago, and I am a witch a long time as well, and doing tarot and stuff, you know, we didn't have access to all this stuff. Like, I don't know what I would do if I had access to all this stuff. You know, I went to the local library. There was like three books. You had like a book on the moon if you were lucky if it was there, a book on Wicca, a book on, you know, tarot, but it was like a weird, weird generic one. So, and I would go and I would check them out. And because you know how you can check them out a couple of times, I would just write it all in a notebook. Don't tell them I did that. That's total sage. I get it, but I need it because I knew I wasn't gonna see that book and for another six months. And that was the only information I had. And, you know, I started doing tarot when I was 12. I just had my little white book from my little writer weed smith deck, which I still have. Um, it's rough, but I do have it. Yeah. And, you know, and I think now that just again, with all this information, um, and even with the full moon, that's that's kind of because we saw it, right? We saw it in the sky. Right. We knew that there was something going on because that moon was big and full. Yes, we had that's the one we have to work with where we didn't think about the new moon even being there because we didn't see it. So it's like, oh, it must not be important, you know, and then all the phases in between. What the heck's all that? We have the, you know, the the crescent moon, and we're like, oh, it's the Cheshire category. But that's as far as we went, right? Like we didn't really get into any, like, what do we do with it? So um, you know, that is one good thing I think came in out of, you know, having more information is that people kind of see that, oh, there is more to just that full moon. And now we have the new moon, which, you know, like Jenny was saying too, like that's the big thing. The new moon, because that's like the beginning. We're gonna manifest all the things and it's just gonna be magical. And you know, it can be, but if you're not doing anything to help it along the way, it's gonna fall flat. And that's pretty much what all of these manifestation programs out there. Uh I don't want to say all of them, I say quite a lot of them, but you know, manifest in three days, make those wishes, throw it out into the universe, let the universe tell you, you know. Um that's kind of like the secret, the book The Secret. Kind of a thing I have, you know, I the idea of it I like, but it's like we're just we can't just write things and put them in an envelope and hope they happen. Like there's always so much the universe is gonna do because the universe doesn't care either way what you're doing. It recognizes your actions and acts accordingly. It doesn't, you know, if you're putting these wishes out there, it's like it's cute, and it'll just keep doing what it's doing. And here you are, like, where are my where's my big house? Why isn't my Ferrari on the driveway? Why isn't you know? So it's just it it's just so much. And you know, the other thing too is people are like, you know, I I don't manifest on the new moon. That's what I release, and that's what you should be doing. And then people are like, I also manifest on the full moon. That's what you should be doing. You can't do you can do both. And it and again, it's don't if it doesn't feel right to you, don't listen to it. You know, you have to do what's right for you. And that's really something I wanted to help everyone kind of curate your own practice, how it feels in your body, how you know what you're comfortable doing, what you're not comfortable doing, but why are you not comfortable doing it? Let's look into that a little bit, you know. So it's just it's really more making it personalized so that it works for you because it isn't just a one manifest does all. It just doesn't work like that because we're all different, we all have different perspectives, we all have different wants and needs. And, you know, we we need to be able to kind of understand that for ourselves too, because a lot of times we're manifesting things we really don't want. We think we want them, but when you start kind of diving into it, and that's where when I get into the beginning, we're doing couple of tarot spreads, and we're is this really what you want? Because a lot of times we think we want it because we're like society is conditioning conditioning us to want, oh, we have to do this, we have to do that, especially as women. You know, it's like you know, that it's always trying to steer us in this direction, and I'm more like, yeah, that's all that. What do you actually want? And you know what? It probably has nothing to do with what's out there and what everyone thinks that you want. So, so in a nutshell, that's

Do The Work Beyond Wishful Thinking

Jen S 12:28

that.

GDC 12:28

I love it, and you know, it does speak towards exactly that point. It's like, this isn't just an exploration on you manifesting, this is an inter exploration around what do I want? Who am I, all of that type of thing. So here's my question for you. What I found so fascinating, never heard it before. Want you to kind of let us know and the listeners in the book, you talk about your lunar spirit, you talk about your lunar mind, you talk about your lunar body, and I love that because it is so expansive. Because in old school astrology, it was like, oh, your moon is your emotional self, which is true, but I love that you are explaining it in these different, you know, encapsulating it into the spirit, into the mind, and into the body. Could you tell us a little bit more about what that is and how you come to see it that way? And what does that mean to the reader?

Jen S 13:38

So I really started working with the moon and kind of honing this practice. Um, you know, it's a lot of trial and error, as most things are. But I just, you know, I wanted to be able to fully embody the moon and the spirit of the moon and in my spirit and understand it. And that's why for me, just kind of breaking it off and assigning things to each one really helps to kind of in the end bring it all together. And it it it takes it, you know, it kind of divides it apart a little bit too to help understand yourself and also make it doable. Because if you want to go through the moon cycle and just focus on your lunar spirit, that's totally fine. So, with the lunar spirit, that's all of the things that are kind of up in here, you know. Um, that's focusing on your meditation, your visual visualizations, um, you know, that actual connecting with the moon and sitting with the moon, those types of things. Then we get to the lunar body, and that's, you know, those things that we're physically doing. Those are like that's doing the ritual, that's doing the spell work, that's doing the journaling and that sort of thing. So then we have the the lunar mind, and those are kind of like the tarot cards, even like that's like okay, it's kind of picking apart what's going on in there. What's what's happening? Um, how do I feel about this? Like we were just talking about. How do I really feel about this? But why do I feel like this? I did this spell, it didn't work. Why does it feel like this? And that's the part that's that analytical, like, okay, let me really understand all of what's going on. And once you understand your lunar spirit, your lunar mind, your lunar body, it makes it easier to hone your practice. Um, because then you can recognize as you're going through a moon cycle, all right, wait a minute. This is how I'm feeling in my body right now when I'm doing this type of spell work, or just even physically, because there's a lot of exercises I have in there that are like, okay, well, you know what? It's the waiting gibbous moon. How does that feel for you? Where are you feeling that in your body and why? So the waning gibbous, we're we're kind of getting into that reflective period. Maybe you're somebody who doesn't like to reflect on things.

Lunar Spirit Mind And Body

Jen S 16:03

You're just like, okay, that's done. I'm gonna stow it in that back corner of my mind, the little dusty box, and we're gonna leave it. Okay, well, that's probably a conditioned response, something you learned, excuse me, when you were younger. Okay, well, doing that. Maybe, maybe you need to just tiptoe into that a little bit and work on it. And in when you do that, it can be really expansive because at that point you're just like, oh, it wasn't as bad as I thought. This reflection thing actually clarified a lot. I'm gonna really work on that more in the next moon cycle. So it's really again just giving you those options and how do you tap into those parts of yourself that maybe you were just putting aside or not giving attention to, um, and ignoring how you feel in your body. Um, and again, and you know, I'm gonna say again, as women work, we're taught to ignore our bodies and ignore our gut feelings and ignore our intuition and you know, really just our gut and and why are we feeling the way we're feeling? At this kind of, you know, when you work through my book, you can really start to define that and you're gonna get to know yourself better. And that's something, again, we don't, we don't, just like self-care, we don't give ourselves time to do that because we're so busy taking care of everybody else. We're so busy doing all of the things that we have to do. We have to get to know ourselves. So I feel like that's so important as a witch, um, and and just getting to know your magic because you have some magic that's stored in there that you haven't even given even thought to. And by taking that time and looking into it, you're like, oh, wait a minute, I'm I'm really good at you know, mediumship. I never even thought about it before. Okay, well, that's cool. Let's see how I can work that in my practice. So there's just so many pathways to open up when you start like breaking it down and working with it in that way.

GDC 18:03

It's so beautiful. So beautiful.

Jen S 18:08

No, it is, it is, and it's it's it sounds overwhelming. Um, when you first think about it, you're like, oh my gosh, there's all these things. But that's why I broke it down. And that's what I'm like, I'm that person like, all right, if it seems complicated, break it down, just do one thing. And I always say, and I always said it to my kids, done is better than perfect. If you have, you know, if it's coming up to the first quarter moon and that's your big action, and you're like, holy crap, I don't know if I'm ready. You know what? If you light a candle and just sit and reflect and and just kind of give energy to like send out for that big action to happen, that's fine. You don't have to be elaborate. You don't have to do if you if you have time to do a two-hour ritual, go, you do it, and you enjoy every moment of it. But in the grand scheme of things, a lot of us don't have that time. So I just want you, you know, speaking generally to everybody just to do it. Just just do it. If you are just doing a little bit throughout the way and throughout the moon cycle, that's totally fine. So I and and I really, if that's one thing I wanted everyone to take away from that is that it's doable and you don't, you know, you can do it and work with different things, try different things, see what works. Um, and and you know, what I wrote, you know, there's like 120 different like exercises rituals and all that. You know, if you walk through them all and you're like, I did all the things, you know, use them as like a template to create your own. I would I would love that, you know. If you if you are like, you know what, I really like this candle spell, but I'm feeling, you know, instead of this color that Jen suggested or this oil, I'm gonna try this other one and kind of use the same formula, but switch it up a little. And that's fantastic because you know what? It's working. You're growing, you're learning, and you're feeling more confident in your intuition and your magic that you're kind of stepping out of that comfort zone of what I wrote there. You're still using the same formula, but now you're starting to experiment a little bit. And that's that's a wonderful thing. I love that when people when people talk about that.

Jenny 20:14

I love that. I was just gonna say um something I've had so much trouble understanding or accepting is the new age way of manifesting, which is a lot of times based off of the secret and a certain person that channels an entity. And it's very um, it's like bypassing. It'll be like just be in a high vibration

Keep It Simple And Make It Yours

Jenny 20:36

and happy all the time, and everything will come to you. And that's absolutely absurd, ridiculous. And so, what I'm what I love about your book is we are using the cycles of the moon and tarot to do the spiritual work, but also to heal and do the inner evolution, the journey, because that's how we actually manifest. Like people are always like, I'm manifesting and nothing's happening. Like, are you actually doing the inner work? Because you have to be ready for what you're putting out there. Or sometimes people will manifest and be like, I manifested for this, but I actually don't want it. And it's because they didn't do that inner work. So I love so much that this method, this is like going to be highly recommended to people. I'm like, use this, use this. Because it I love the tarot component with the moon. I feel like that's the key, is those two things together.

Jen S 21:23

Yeah, no, and I, you know, I'm obviously a tarot girly. So bringing that in, I think was really important too, because everybody learns differently, everybody absorbs information differently. And we know as tarot people, having that that visual um sometimes really can spark a lot of other things. You know, that little, you know, the symbol in in a card, you're you're like, oh yeah, that's right. I wanted to do X, Y, and Z. So that's really a part of it. And then to focus your energy, you know, and to know, you know, focus your magic. Like, okay, well, I pulled these cards. What does that mean to me? And why? Because you are, you know, might be at that new moon and deciding what your intention wants to be. And you have a couple of things brewing, but you know what? Let's let tarot help us just narrow it down and kind of give us that that road and that path. Like, this is what we're going to do. Let's focus on this right now. And that, you know, most times that's exactly what you need to be doing. And sometimes it comes up with something that you were like, oh, I wasn't planning on working on that, but okay, I guess I have to work on that now. And you know, and it's funny, just you know with the word manifesting too. I was kind of like even having it in my title. I was like, okay, because it does have an ick to it. It does. I will absolutely say that. And so my thing was like, you know what? I'm trying to change that a little bit because there's a lot of people that I know, and they have these manifesting coaching programs, and you know, they're like for $10,000, you know, you can get X, Y, and Z. And you know, if and you have to spend money to make money. And it's like, oh, friends, not if it's putting you into debt. And a lot of times it's some like wack-a-doodle thing. And I and I'm this is from my experience. They're gonna send you codes. I don't know what the hell a code is. They're going to beep beep boop boop at you with light language and and fancy hands, you know, it's like fancy jar of hands. I'm like, that is not going to do anything except confuse me and maybe give me a headache. And I'm not that's there's you can send these codes to you to whoever, however you want, but again, it's not going to do anything because it's in you. It's it's like, you know, Jenny was like, you need to work on this stuff to shift and to move to allow space to manifest exactly what you want, what you want to bring in. So I'm kind of on a one-woman mission to change the ick of manifest.

GDC 24:08

Well, you're doing a hell of a job, my friends. If you are enjoying the show, you can support it by liking, subscribing, and sharing. Also, connect with us, leave a comment, text the show option wherever you listen to podcasts, leave a review, or email us at belief being beyond at gmail.com. Also, I'm on Patreon where a small donation goes a long way. Find this and more episodes at Granddaughter Crow dot com. Thank you. Now back to the show. You're doing a hell of a job. Absolutely.

Jen S 24:51

It is. It's definitely it is a thing. And I've had, you know, and it was really funny because uh Llewellyn had posted the book right as it was coming out. Like, you know, they do their posts. Oh, this book's coming out. And there was a gentleman on there that wrote, oh no, just manifest whatever you want, just like that. And you know, and have a fun, okay, okay. And of course, you know, all the fire in my in my signs wanted to respond in a different way. But I decided to to to hone in on my Libra and be and be nice. And, you know, so I said to him, I said, Yeah, I know it sounds like that, but actually, this is more about manifesting with the moon and working on yourself to manifest what you want. I looked on his profile and he was like a tattoo artist or something. They said, Oh, by the way, you know, I saw your profile. You do great artwork, you know, keep keep at it, you know. And so that's what I wrote. And, you know, he wrote back and he's like, Oh, that makes sense. I'm gonna really check out your book. Thanks for thanks for complimenting my art. And, you know, and it's like one of those days I could have, but I, you know, I'm like, you know, I feel like it need to go a different way. And if but if I listen to my intuition and if I didn't stop for a minute and be like, you know what? I feel like this person needs kindness right now, so I'm gonna leave with that. And in, you know, and and he was very happy with, you know, at that point he was fine, you know, and I think he even deleted his comment or something. But you know, it's one of those things, like there's it, I know it gives people, I I get it. Like, I get it. And I, you know, I hope that people at this point realize that these manifest quick schemes and programs and all of that stuff are are something to really look into. Talk to people, uh, you know, if you're considering it, talk to people that they have worked with. Um, if they aren't comfortable sharing their clients with you, that's a red flag. Get away fast. Um, and somebody to you know, I guess, guide you in manifesting, but to

The Problem With Expensive Manifesting Programs

Jen S 26:58

pay an exorbitant amount of money to do so, I don't think is going to be helpful either. So, yes, buy a book, try it out yourself because you know what? Yeah, I just a book. I don't know, I may have something I know that is about that. And you know, and and just see for yourself what you can do. And I think again, it's it's having that confidence in yourself and trusting yourself to be able to do that, because a lot of people don't trust themselves, and that's why these people in this outer rim, you know, in these new agey things are are profitable because they they kind of rely on you not trusting yourself. So I think, you know, I think that's really important to to think about as well.

GDC 27:42

I think it's so beautiful because you know, I work with a lot of earth magic. Um, and I when I think about manifestation, I think about a garden. And I think about if you want something to grow overnight, yeah, you'll get a mushroom, you'll get a misplaced plant or whatever. So you are manifesting, but what is it that you're doing? So I always reflect on the natural world and the cosmos to kind of cue me in on timing. And so when we start talking about, oh, well, just plant some trees in the or plant your corn in the middle of the winter and expect it to grow. And if it doesn't, there's something wrong with you. I totally, I totally, totally get it. So we are sitting here. Let's do a little moon magic, let's do a little moon manifestation. Let's kind of show people what is in store. So this is premiering on June 6th. Um, what's happening in the manifestation? What are we looking at right now? How can we utilize all of this beautiful information to figure out where we are now with our manifestation?

Timing The Weekend With Aquarius Pisces

Jen S 28:56

So actually, this weekend is is really it's a really great reflective, intuitive weekend. So we're in the waning give us moon um for the weekend. And so it starts out in Aquarius. So that's kind of our our kind of dreamy, like, how who are we? Why do we do what we do? And again, that is perfect for that reflective, waning gibbous energy. So that might be a great time to kind of think about where are you right now? How do you feel about that? Who do you want to be? How do you want to be? How do you want to present yourself to other people? How do you want to present to yourself? Um, how are you feeling physically, mentally, all of those things? Like, where do you fit in this big world? So if you want to ask yourself some big questions, get cozy on Saturday and do that for sure. So as we as we move into Sunday, that is moving into um I'm gonna be moving into Pisces. Yes, Pisces. So we're moving into that that we're we're very eretral this weekend. We're in that like phase, that like moonlit phase of everything. So Pisces is going to be more of that intuitive. So that's when let's pull some cards, let's do some spell work, um, let's let's talk to the moon. Um and you know, kind of combining all of those things, you're really like, you know, releasing what you don't need, um, and recognizing what you do need. Um, and then just allowing yourself to be who you want to be, how you want to be. And it's really a great place to kind of clean slate before that new moon is coming in. So um that it's it's a really like delicious weekend for all of this inner work and tarot and all of those things.

GDC 30:53

Oh, wow. So you guys, you heard it here. This is a time of reflection. And just like Jen had said before, if that's not your jam, you've got that closet, you know, that old box in the closet. But if you're watching this show, you've got that jam. I know you, you're not watching these shows because you know you like the hat. So the beauty, the beauty is that this is such a beautiful time of self-exploration and that self-reflection. And it's not necessarily, in my opinion, about getting it right or wrong. It's about getting it you. You know, it's it's it's about getting it you. And I also want to say then tomorrow's a wonderful day to do some divination, uh, divination day.

Where To Follow Jen And Get Readings

GDC 31:40

And also, if you guys want to follow Jen Sankey, she's on Instagram, right? And your handle is the Stardust Wanderer Tarot, as well as you just Google Jen Sankey. Guys, all the things come up, all the bells, all the things. All the things come up. Substack. You have Substack too. I guess I just want to give people a call out because if what you said just was like, oh wow, that clicked in, that locked in, that this is a good way for them to actually also be able to follow you. Because I follow you on Instagram, and all of a sudden it's like, like, talk about manifestation. I'm like, what's going on? I'm a cancer water, baby. What's going on? And I can see a post, and I'm like, oh, I'm supposed to be lunar.

Jen S 32:33

This all makes sense. Yeah, no, I post all the moon things and I post a tarot spread for um the new moon and the full moon. I every Monday I do a moon Monday post. I also will post um, you know, a lot of times like for the new moon, I just did a post about some spell work you can do, some kind of moon readings for each of the zodiac signs. So there's like so much information, like so much. So, you know, it's there, it's free. Uh, utilize it. And a lot of it works really great with the stuff, you know, in my book because it all it all comes out of my head. So it all kind of relates to each other, which is nice. Sometimes I do.

Jenny 33:22

And people can get readings from you too, right?

Jen S 33:25

Yes, yes, yes. I I yeah, I could definitely do that as well, and you can just get a hold of me on all the things and and we'll chat.

Goblin Whisperers Tarot And Creative Inspiration

GDC 33:33

Love it. So kind of talking, uh shifting to tarot, which is also in the book, but you have a tarot deck out, and then some somebody told me a little birdie said something about the goblin whispers, tarot.

Jen S 33:47

Yes, yes, am I allowed to even say you are, you are allowed, yes. That is that is in process. Yeah, there's a couple actually, I shared a couple of images on my Instagram. So if you scroll a little, you'll you'll be able to find them. Uh yes, you're good, you're good. And that is is becoming such a fun deck. So I am very, very uh goblin core type witch. Um, again, I I uh I have my lunar moments, but I am very earthy as well. And I I love I love just just the uh the fee, the elves, the goblins, all of those things. Because I was a little girl in the woods talking to all of the the trees and the making potions and leaving you know treats for the fee and trying to find them and all of those things. Like that that was me for sure. So I mean, I'm sure it wasn't just me, but um, so that book also, yeah, I mean, that deck rather kind of came out of my love of 80s movies. So my arm is all 80s movies, and my biggest love is labyrinth, and I adore labyrinth. Um, so you know, there's lots of goblins in there, and you know, they some kind of resemble, they don't look the same, they resemble um some of those guys, and then I've dark crystal, I love and all of that. So it's just like a mix of all of those things put together, and it's really it's a fun deck, and they're not cutesy goblins either, they're goblin goblins. So um, I didn't want them to be cutesy because I feel like everyone's like, oh, I'll do a, you know, uh ever I love goblins, but I don't like them ugly. Some of them are ugly, and that's okay, you know, because you know what? They are still have a lot of wisdom for us, and they're gonna read. They're they're reading really well so far. Like they're not messing around. So it's it's I'm having a lot of fun doing that deck. So we're probably three-quarters of the way done. Yeah, so we're getting there.

GDC 35:57

That's amazing. That really is amazing, and you know, goblins, I mean, earth, you know, um, a lot of times I work with a lot of the earth elementals, and that type of energy is very much kind of like what I was saying before, that it's like, okay, it's grounded, and it's not gonna be like, oh, just think your way up. You know, it's like, no, walk your way out, walk your way through, you know. Oh my goodness. And so that's coming out, what, 2028?

Jen S 36:33

Yes, I believe it'll be done, yeah. Yeah, because it takes a bazillion years to to create a terrorist. It takes so long.

GDC 36:44

How do you do it? Like, what is the is behind the scenes

How A Tarot Deck Gets Made

GDC 36:48

a little bit? Like, I can think about the tarot in my head and I could get ideas, but like, are you an artist? Do you paint it?

Jen S 36:55

How does that process So I am not an artist? You do not even want to see my stick figure, okay? It's not, it's not good. Um, so what I do um when I create my decks is um for my decks with Llewellyn, um they they kind of ask me once I'm all done with the deck, they ask me kind of the vibe, and then they kind of they get like three or four artists that they find and they say, How do you like these? And we go through them and and they have to do some samples. But what I do is I write um very, very detailed descriptions for each card. So I'm I mean, I'm talking down to hair color, how tall they are, what ethnic ethnicity they are, because that's a very day to me. I like to, I mean, not so much for goblins, but goblins, we've got she's a goblins going on. Um like Stardust deck. I mean, I'm I just try to incorporate everybody and because it's just really important to me. And um, and so I write out these very, very, I mean, it's probably 15 to 20 pages long, all of my card descriptions. And then they take those descriptions and they give it to the artist, and the artist works off of them. So then they at first they do like three, they do like two or three um samples. So they'll pick a card and they'll write it, and then we'll talk about it, see if it works. Then for Llewellyn, it goes to their board, make sure everyone approves it, and then we sign the contract and we're on our way. So um, so it is quite the process, and it's really it is cool because I get to work with an artist and you know, they have my description. So they basically just take all the words that I that I have and they actually make a picture out of them. It's just really cool because I can't do that. And you know, a lot of times too, I'll be like, you know, add, you know, add your essence to it, add your style to it. Um, when I did my cat deck, my artist, um, I've uh she this was her first like big job, and she is a beautiful illustrator. And she's like, Can I add my cat to the deck? Because it was the enchanted forest feeling. So I'm like, heck yeah, you know, so I love that now. Like her cat's a part of the deck, and we talk, you know, we'll talk about different things and colors, and they'll be like, Jen, there's a lot of stuff in this card, we can't fit it all in. I'm like, Well, it worked in my brain, right? I'm like, what do you mean? It's great in my brain. Um, so then we have to like adjust things a little bit and all of that. And it's a very, it's a very cool collaborative process. And um, you know, over the couple of deaths I've made, I've really kind of honed my descriptions and how everything wants. And then I get better, like I'm better at art, even though I don't do it because I have a better understanding of it. So as I'm creating the cards now, um, I have a better idea of like, okay, it isn't like my, you know, my first one. Um, in Stardust, the one card actually pops up. It was my um, I think it was the devil card. And I tried to fit so much stuff in it because I had such a grand vision for it. And she's like, girl, no. I'm like, what? So it's a lot of fun. And um, I have another deck on the I can't I can't announce just yet, but it's in process. We're we're um vetting artists right now, so we're doing that. So hopefully soon I'll be able to announce that. But if you follow me on the things, then you'll you'll see. Oh, on the things, people on the things. I'm excited for that one too. But yeah, I mean, each deck has just been kind of they kind of just flop into my head, really. Like, I don't, I mean, I don't know if I challenge it or I don't want to put a word to it because I I don't want to put it in any sort of box. I just want it to be like you do your thing. Um, you know, and so my Stardust deck, really the fool in my deck, her name is Mina, and she just appeared one day and kind of was like, we're gonna make a Tara deck, and here's the whole entire story. Like, I could write actually like it's very sci-fi. There's space pirates, um, gods and goddesses in it. It's a fun deck. And I could write like a whole graphic novel on it. And so many people have asked me, like, can you do that? Um, maybe someday, maybe it's there. It's it's I could definitely jump back into that world, but that it also plays out in the deck as well. Um, so that's

Stardust Wanderer Updates And Closing Reflections

Jen S 41:31

really cool. And then I actually only have 47 left. I'm selling them on Amazon just for shipping. So I have 47 of the first editions left. And then after June, I can't sell them anymore because they're going mass market with US games. So I'm really excited about that because you know, the shipping and that part of things is not my wheelhouse. And boy, did I learn that. Self-publishing is a journey, it is a journey, and those people that constantly and always do it, you know what? You are the best ever, and I admire you forever. Will I self-publish again? Probably not. Um, it's just, you know, we have to recognize our weaknesses and our strengths, and that is, I can do it. Obviously, I did do it and it was successful, but I'm yeah, I I didn't love, I didn't love the back end part of it. Yeah. The creating part of it's great. Um, but so that will be coming out, US Games, the Mass Market edition. All the art is the same, the cardbacks are different, the box is different, but everything else is the same. Um, and the edging is a little different, but um, that'll be coming out the end of July, um, the Mass Market one. But if you want a first edition, like fancy fancy deck, there's 47 left on Amazon, and I can't sell them after the end of June. So I'm really hoping that 47 people pick it up.

GDC 42:54

We can get those available through the end of June 2026.

Jen S 43:00

Okay, so act now, people. Act now. And I put them on sale even. So, get it. Yes. Love it. I love that.

GDC 43:12

I love that. So, in kind of wrapping up, Jenny, do you have anything that you just want to ask Jen? Jenny Jen.

Jen S 43:23

You know what? I'm actually called Jenny too. That's a nickname of mine, so that's why I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I'll take it.

Jenny 43:30

Me too. I'm also called Jen sometimes, but only by family. Um, so because I'm from New Jersey and everybody has a nickname. Like, you don't, I'm actually a Jenny, I'm not a Jennifer. So they had to give the nickname, they had to give like what is traditionally a nickname, another nickname. So yeah.

Jen S 43:46

No, because my I am Jennifer, and with everything like Witchy, I'm Jen, but family, my name is Jenny Girl, and it's from an old Bet Midler movie from like the 80s, and so they call me Jenny Girl. So that's that's my you know us gens we have to keep you know we gotta keep it interesting. Yeah yeah um so we have a final question here on the show and so we always ask ask our guests what and it's very open-ended so however you want to answer it what do you think lies beyond you know I think there is so much more than we give the beyond credit for and I think that by being open minded and being uh accepting receptive all of those things you can learn so much um about what we don't know out there and just letting and and giving the beyond permission to be around you and and kind of be a part of your life I think is really interesting too because a lot of people are like well I want I'm I'm not here I'm not thinking about that again dust off that box and bring it out and really think about what it is what's beyond what's out there what how can I utilize that how can I do how can I utilize that to help others um because sometimes helping others to think outside the box so to speak um is also a really um empowering thing and I think when it comes down to it we're helpers and empowering people is really something that we we love to do. And um I think it's I think by stepping into the beyond and giving it the attention that it doesn't always get I I think there's a lot there.

GDC 45:38

Oh I love that Jen you are a delight you are a firecracker you are a moon goddess you guys pick up manifesting by the moon a guide to lunar magic we barely even got into everything it's me and they cut out a lot it's so beautiful that's the second book then there you go yeah but at the at the end of the day the moon we we get to reflect and manifest with the moon like you don't have to do this alone and this isn't just a oh in 2026 this is a all the time utilize it every year makes a great gift and Jen I'm so thankful to both you gins for being on this show um you can find Jen Sankey at wwwstardustwanderow.com as well as follow on IG so that you can keep up I am just so happy to be here and if you found this show and it speaks something to you or if you know somebody that was born in the month of July because they probably are a cancer son this book is necessary like subscribe share and we love you guys and we'll see you on the flippity flip.

Jenny 47:06

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