Llewellyn’s Complete Book of the Moon - Jesamyn Angelica

The Moon has been shaping life on Earth since before humans had words for wonder, and we don’t have to treat that as metaphor. We sit down with Lady Jesamyn Angelica, priestess, ritualist, and oracle, to talk about the Moon as a real force: tides, water, bodies, evolution, and the quiet ways lunar cycles show up in our moods, choices, and rituals. If you’ve ever felt pulled toward moon magic but wanted something grounded, this conversation meets you there.

We also dig into devotion and language. Jesamyn shares why she consciously relates to the Moon as “she” and as goddess, how women-centered spirituality can be both healing and inclusive, and why centering women is not the same thing as excluding men. Along the way, we talk about her path and what it means to build a living relationship with the Moon instead of chasing perfect rules.

 On the practical side, we get into the tools people actually want: moon water, lunar elixirs, potions, and easy ways to connect with the Moon today using the elements and lunar astrology. Jesamyn also opens up about writing Llewellyn’s Complete Book of the Moon and why “take what works and leave the rest” is essential for sustainable witchcraft practice. Then we zoom out to leadership and community care, including the “empowered sovereign” archetype and how clear boundaries prevent burnout.

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Jesamyn's Bio: Priestess, Ritualist, and Oracle, Jesamyn Angelica has practiced Witchcraft and walked the Path of the Moon since her dedication to the Goddess as a Maiden. Now in her Queen Season, she is High Priestess of Sisterhood of the Moon, a matriarchal Goddess Tradition for all located in the San Francisco Bay Area. As Alchemical Guide of The Women’s Mystery School of Magick & Empowerment, she is dedicated to empowering all women through truth-speaking, authenticity, and self-exploration. 

Through the soon-to-be launched Lunaversity, she shares her love of lunar alchemy and moon magick with all who are called to modern moon mysticism.
 
 Jesamyn brings joie de vivre, humor, and wit to all she does, combining these qualities with foundational skills in leadership, communication, and magick cultivated over three decades.
 
 Jesamyn’s first title, “Llewellyn’s Complete Book of the Moon: Lunar Wisdom for Magic, Healing, and Inspiration” was published in December 2025.

Explore her offerings at JesamynAngelica.com. 

Transcript

Welcome And Meet Lady Jesamyn

GDC 0:01

Welcome to Belief Being and Beyond with your host, Granddaughter Crow. Hi everybody, Granddaughter Crow here with yet another episode of Belief Being and Beyond. And tonight we're gonna draw down the moon. We have an amazing priestess, ritualist, and oracle, Lady Jesamyn Angelica. And she has been a practicing witch for over three decades. It is amazing. And practices witchcraft and walks the path of the moon since her dedication to the goddess as a maiden. I love that. Now in her queen season, she is high priestess of Sisterhood of the Moon, a matriarchal goddess tradition for all located in the San Francisco Bay Area. That's Sistersofthe Moon.org if you want to check it out. Also, alchemical guide of the Woman's Mystery School of Magic and Empowerment. I just love the way that that sounds. The Woman's Mystery School of Magic and Empowerment. She is dedicated to empowering all women through truth speaking, authenticity, and self-exploration. Through the soon-to-be launched Luna versity. Oh girl, we gotta talk about that. Luniversity, she shares her love of lunar alchemy and moon magic with all who are called to modern moon mystery. I love that sounds so good. Jesamyn brings de vive, humor, and a little wit to everything that she does, combining these qualities with foundational skills in leadership. I love that. Communication, love that, and magic cultivation over three decades. And tonight we are going to be talking with a Jesamyn and her first title, which makes me think they'll be more, so you guys need to follow on social media. Uh, Llewellyn's Complete Book of the Moon, Lunar Wisdom for Magic, Healing, and Inspiration. This came out from Llewellyn Worldwide, December 2025. Also, explore everything that she offers on jasmineangelica.com. And I am over the moon to bring to you Angelica. I love it. Jesamyn , Lady Jesamyn Angelica. I mean, come on, that's just such a beautiful name, you queen.

Jesamyn 2:55

Oh, thank you. It is so lovely to be here with you today, both of you. Thank you for having me. I just love this podcast so much.

GDC 3:05

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know, when I was looking at this, I love the moon. And so I'm like, ooh, do we talk about this? Do we talk about that? What do where do we talk astrology? Do we talk about potions under the moon? Do we talk about rituals? Do we talk about and I'm like,

What Earth Looks Like Without Moon

GDC 3:25

well, hell, it's a complete book, so we could talk about all of that and more. But I kind of wanted to embody us really quickly with a very interesting question that you actually talk about in your book. And it is in in just a little paragraph. We hear earthlings, right? Need the moon. A lot of times in a lot of magical practices, and I mean, even if hunters and gatherers, you see the moon, same moon. It's beautiful. But we don't really understand the scientific logic behind the moon's energy. And you had mentioned somewhere in your book at the beginning about a world without a moon. And I don't want to start on a hard note, but I think that it would exemplify the importance of the moon. Tell us a little bit about what would the world look like? What would Earth look like? Would it even be here without the goddess moon?

Jesamyn 4:28

That is such a big topic, and it's one that has disturbed me before, as I mentioned in my book, is very disturbing to watch a program about that when I was younger. Um, but it is purported that if there were no moon, that we wouldn't exist. Because the moon controls the tides, and the tides control how plants grow, how animals migrate, it controlled the first animals, the first creatures were you know one-cell organisms that lived in the ocean. And over a long period of time we evolved and came out of the ocean, and then over a long period of time we continued to evolve and we became humanity. But without the moon controlling the tidal nature of those waters, the waters wouldn't move. And if the waters didn't move, then we wouldn't be here. So it's this kind of strange kind of I know people talk about the butterfly effect. It it's that kind of thing. So, like, take the moon away. Well, nothing's moving. And then we come out of the sea, and our bodies as adults are about 60% water. Now we're born with a lot more water. We're born with like 75-ish percent, and as we age, we actually lose water, which is such a wild thing to me. I've been thinking a lot about that lately and how we can continue to keep as much water as possible in our bodies, but the moon acts on that water in our bodies. So we are just inextricably tied to what she's doing up there, whether we think about it or not, whether we're conscious of it or not, the moon is pulling on us on these bodies every day and on the bodies of all mammals and on the bodies of all the plants. So we are all tied together because of what the moon is doing up there. We are we're just part of this symbiotic relationship with her. Um that's really, really important. And yeah, so if there were no moon, I don't think we would be here. And if we were here, it would not be in the form that we are in. There would not be humanity as we know it. We I'm sure things would have evolved without the moon, you know, tugging on the seas, but it would not have evolved in the way that it has. Who knows? Who knows what um earth would be populated with, plant-wise or animal-wise

Why She Calls The Moon Goddess

Jesamyn 6:50

without the moon.

GDC 6:52

You know, I know that that's a harsh topic, and I can see your passion, and I really feel like if you guys didn't know, no, because this isn't just oh, a couple of witches that have been witches for there are centuries or whatever, or getting together, talking about the moon. We're really talking about science, we're talking about an ally, we're talking about animism, it has a personality, and it teaches us so much if we learn how to relate with it. So I love because I know that there are a lot of different spiritual paths that will identify the moon as male, female, non-binary, etc. But you, my dear, empowered female with the sacred hood of the moon.org, with the woman's mystery school.com, with the Llewellyn's complete book of the moon, and and helping women to understand what matriar matriarchal. See, it doesn't even roll off the tongue because we don't say it enough. What the matriarch is, what the goddess is, what the female is. I want you to talk a little bit about how those tie in, the feminine goddess and the moon. I know that's another big question.

Jesamyn 8:25

Well, yeah, I it is, and I love this topic. Um, I think like many ritualists that I meet, I was born into Roman Catholicism, and there is a wonderful veneration of Mary in a lot of Roman Catholicism. And in my family, on my maternal side, my grandparents attended a Lithuanian Roman Catholic church. And people may or may not know, but Lithuania was the last European country that was Christianized. So there's still a lot of kind of that folk magic and medicine involved in that church to this day. And one of those things is this deep respect and love for Mary. So Mary was my first goddess, and my grandmother loved Mary, and we would pray to her together, and I ended up going to uh Roman Catholic school from grades two through eight, and the nuns there also were very Mary-centered, including that every May we would do something called the May procession, and all of us little kids would come with flowers from our yard. And I was growing up in rural New England, so at that time it was lilacs, and we would parade up the street carrying armfuls of lilacs, this huge statue of Mary singing and laying them at her feet. And I remember it was always my favorite day of the year, and it wasn't until I was adult that I realized, wow, those are leftover things from Beltane, from the May Queen. Like we're honoring Mary as the May Queen. So I feel like I've always had a deep connection to goddess, even though she wasn't called goddess. And then as a young witch, I found women's spirituality uh very early on. So I feel like the majority of my training in priestessing has been through the lens of women-centered spirituality and women-centered spirituality being so important in this era that we're living in, where men are the default, where women and girls grow up not realizing that they're just as worthy, that they're just as intelligent, that they're just as powerful and important. And it's always felt so important to me to center women so that women can learn who they are and to step into their fullness. Because only when women take their rightful place in the world again can we heal what's happening in the world. And so I make the conscious choice to call the moon she and her and to worship the moon as goddess. Now I have no problem at all with people who call the moon by God's names or non-binary names. I think that's wonderful. I think that we each are permitted to have our own relationship with the moon, and whatever that is is wonderful. But I make the conscious choice to relate that to goddess and to relate the cycling of the moon to the cycling of women's bodies as well. Not saying that men and non-binary people can't work with the moon in the same way. I think that they should and that they can and that they do. But I feel like we each hold an important peace in this world, and the peace that I'm holding right now is the place for women to empower themselves, and we can do that through the lens of the moon.

GDC 11:46

Oh needed. And once again, we wouldn't be here without the moon, and we wouldn't be here without women, right? So, Jenny, what questions do you have for Lady Jesamyn ?

Centering Women While Welcoming Men

Jenny 12:01

A million, but I'm gonna like narrow it down. But what you just said, I thought I had to make this comment and I had to like give a clarification for people. It's so interesting that when we say we're doing this for women, people automatically are like, you're taking away from men.

Jesamyn 12:17

Yes.

Jenny 12:20

And we're not. And so that's I just want to clarify for people. When someone says, I'm working with women, I'm empowering women, that's helping everybody. Because women make all the people. So if like you're helping women, you're helping everybody in those women's lives. And I just wanted to put that out there as a clarification.

Jesamyn 12:39

I really appreciate that. Um, I do work with men, I do partner with men, I do magic with men. I think they're just as important. I think women, though, have been hidden for so long and have been pushed down and um treated as not enough, have been treated in ways that are absolutely just terrible. I'm still aghast at what is happening right now in 2026 that this is still going down. That sometimes we have to swing that pendulum all the way in one other direction in order to come back to the center. So I love men. We're not we're not men haters. We work with men in Sisterhood of the Moon. Um, and I think it's good for men to have places that are held by women and where women are centered so that maybe they can understand a little bit of what it's like to be a woman in society where man is default, where you know, the word brotherhood, fatherhood, this is these are the words that are centered. So instead of saying sisterhood, yeah, men are welcome in sisterhood as well. As well.

GDC 13:46

Yeah, I love that. Take us into the book, Jenny. What she is our book, basically, let me tell you, you guys, you can get this anywhere you get books. We highly recommend, of course, supporting your local bookstore, library, etc. You can order it straight from Llewellyn and all of that. But this is not just a one-year, you know, oh, well, it came out in December of 2025. We only have we're halfway through the 2026. No, this is a lifetime like encyclopedia. It's a reference book and it has, like I said, over 150 practices, spells, recipes, all of it. Yes.

Jesamyn 14:33

It still like shocks me that this book came out of me.

Writing A Complete Moon Reference

Jenny 14:39

Yeah. Can we talk about that journey? Because we I talked to you about this at Spirit Northwest, and I've talked to this uh about this with Granddaughter Crow, but it is highly unusual for a person's first book to be a complete book of something. It's really like we talk about reference books and correspondences in our coven a lot, and this is one that we're adding. It's like, okay, now we have one on the moon, and this is our go-to moon book, and it's really well done. But to do that, can we just talk a little bit about that process? Because this is crazy.

Jesamyn 15:15

Well, I am a long-winded writer. Um, as people who know me well know this. Um, you know, instead of sending like a two-sentence email, you might get like, you know, a two-paragraph email. Um ultimately what happened here is that I knew that I've always I had always wanted to write a book, and that it was a very important thing that I do this. In fact, my college degree is in writing literature and publishing. So I always knew, you know, I would come back around to this. And being a priestess too, writing is one of the main components of priestessing. So even priestessing in a community, there's so much writing that one does. And over the past 15-ish years, I've been leading community, and really that took up the majority of my time is creating curriculums, creating rituals, holding center for group. And I came to the realization that if I didn't write the book now, it will never be written. And that really kind of lit a fire under my bottom. And I reached out to one of my Llewellyn author friends, uh Deborah D'Angelo, who is an amazing, uh, wonderful writer. She wrote Pagan Curious, which is a really fun book for um people who might have questions about paganism but don't know where to begin. It's just the sweetest book. And Deborah took my hand and introduced me to who would become my editor at Llewellyn Heather Green. And I submitted a different book idea, and then she said, uh, you know, the writing's really great, but this topic is not one that really traditionally sells. Do you have anything else? And I had been percolating this moon book for a really long time, and I'm like, okay, yes, here's what I have. And it felt really vulnerable because this book is it's who I am. It is my own practices, or it's things that I've worked at and developed for so many years that I was kind of hiding it away. And I had proposed a book. Um, I did not know the size of the book. I went through my contract and it did not tell me how many words to write, so I wrote until I felt done. And I sent that to Heather Green, and she came back and she said, Wow, um, this is really big. Let me get back to you. So I sat in nervousness uh for some time. I don't even remember how long. For all I know, it was one day, maybe it was a month. I really don't know. But I know I just was sitting in nervousness, and she came back and she said, I took this into a meeting with Llewellyn. How would you feel about this being Llewellyn's complete book of the moon? And I really didn't know what that meant. So I reached out to a bunch of my other author friends at Llewellyn, and they're like, you would feel really great about that. Like, that's what you want. And I'm like, okay, yes. Um, and the best part about this is I didn't have to cut anything out, and I could actually add some things that I'd wanted to add, but I had held back because it felt like it was becoming a ridiculously length manuscript. Um, so that's kind of the story, and it it's really just it blows my mind. Like a lot of it feels channeled, right? So I reread it and I'm like, gosh, wow. I was like in that space, and you're both writers, so you know what it is sometimes to go back and read your stuff and be like, wow, was I really like that open channel for the divine to come through? But they are all my practices, so it's just I don't know. Like, I believe it, but I don't like it, it's such a strange feeling to have a piece of me out in the world, and I'm not a mother of humans, so I haven't had that experience of having children out into the world, like pieces of you, but I can imagine that it probably feels similar when you look at your kids and be like, wow, like that's carrying part of me out in the world, and it it is very vulnerable. I feel very exposed having the book out in the world, but I also know that it was the right thing to do, and that this is legacy work, and even if I never get an opportunity to do anything else, at least I have contributed this to others. And one of the things I always say to my students is take what works for you and leave the rest. Try the practices, please don't just be like, oh, that doesn't look interesting. Try the practices, make the potions, do the ritual, and then if it doesn't feel right, don't ever come back to it. So that's part of like the completeness of the book is that perhaps it doesn't work for you, perhaps these practices don't, but maybe it'll create for you a jumping off point so that your own practice can deepen and you can learn what works for you. Because I feel like often we discover what is best for us by trying things out or experiencing things that are that don't work that aren't good for us. So, and that's true for leadership too, I think.

GDC 20:20

Absolutely, and you know, you're speaking to a point that I find is essential and why I believe that Lou Allen was able to go, hey, you you're the one. And it's that you actually live it, yes, you embody it, and there is a difference between you know head knowledge and body knowledge. There's a difference, um, especially in a spiritual path, you can see that it's radiating out. And I would say, I say the same thing to people, hey, you know, try it out. If it's not your jam, leave it. I'm all about this is a buffet. But this one I think is very beautiful because maybe you are new and you pick up this book and you start going through and you're like, oh, now I know how to breathe with the moon. Now I know how to do this. And then let's say that you get into more like green witchery and herbs and potions, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, well, let me venture into that section. I mean, it it really is complete in all of that. So that's not really a question, but I do want to compliment, but I do kind of want to talk about that. It's it's expansive beyond just here is the moon, she is full, she is new, it lands in your chart. You do more, I think you said something on a podcast one time about being a green witch, too, being an herbalist. Could you talk to A little bit about the jewels that they're gonna people are gonna be able to find when they pick up your book.

Green Witchery And Lunar Potions

Jesamyn 22:06

That makes me really happy because um green witchery is one of my favorite things. And as I was developing my practice as a young witch, before I was practicing with others, I studied herbalism and green witchery. So it's like really kind of like roots of part of my own personal solitary practice. And it just brings me such joy to be able to share all of these potions with everyone because potion making, I mean, come on, like how witchy is that? And to work with the moon and to work with the green realm and to create things that can help you to connect better with the moon or connect more with your own self and your relationship with her. I think it's really important things because we can drink in the moon in this way. We can take her vibrations and create them into something physical that we can hold and touch and ingest. And then that becomes part of our bodies. So I take potions every day that I create with the moon. I also offer her water every day as part of my daily practice and connecting with her. So even just water held up to the moon and asking her vibrations to come into it. Well, there's a potion you can make in like five seconds, you know, and then imbibe it or offer it to say a plant that you're tending, or even to your animals. If you're if you're pet parents like I am, like sometimes we want to bless their water because they need help with something. So something as simple as that. And I think potion making is a really big part of all kinds of witchcraft. It doesn't just have to be lunar witchcraft, but it's a great way to combine the energies of Earth, which is the green realm, and then the energies of the cosmos in the form of the moon.

GDC 23:52

I love that. So, what other questions do we have, Jenny?

Moon Water Basics And Preservation

Jenny 23:58

Well, you just kind of touched a little bit on moon water, and that is such a hot topic. Um, people are like on, you know, especially TikTok, like there's a wrong way and a right way, and you can't do this and you have to do this. And so I would just love to hear some opinion on that. Like, if I'm a new witch and I'm hearing people say moonwater, like what is that? And essentially, like, how do I create that? And then what do I do with it? You kind of touched on it a little, but really, if you could just make it clear for people, I think it'd be great to have someone who actually wrote a book about the moon explain that to others.

GDC 24:35

I love it.

Jesamyn 24:36

Well, the most interesting thing here is that I've never been on TikTok. So I'm not familiar with this. I mean, I hear like stories I heard about people hexing the moon a couple years ago, and I'm like, yeah, I don't really need to go on TikTok and and handle any of this. So, like I said before, do what works for you in your practice. If you don't like what I'm saying, don't do what I'm doing and don't come after me because this is my practice. So, moon water in its most basic form is collecting the vibrations of the moon in water, and the element of water is a correspondence of the moon, it is the moon's home element, so there's already a connection there. So, for example, you might want to create a blue moon water, so that's a full moon, and we're not gonna talk about the time right now, but so you would set your water out during that time of the full moon, the blue full moon, and then you would bring it back into your home. Now, you might want to save that to use for ritual at another time. If you want to save moon water, you want to preserve it with something. So that means that you want to add some alcohol to it. So if you have a quart jar of moon water, add about an ounce of vodka or brandy or gin, whatever you have on hand, so that way it doesn't grow bacteria and you can keep and use it later. So if you're gonna use it in ritual, this is holding up the chalice to that blue moon, calling those vibrations down, naming it the moon, drinking it in, right? So you don't even have to save it. Maybe you want to pour it out on the earth as a vibation. Maybe you want to add this moon water to a sacred bath or use it in your sacred shower because you want to actually have your body inside of these vibrations. You can make moon water for any phase of the moon. You can make it actually, you know, during any kind of astrological thing that's happening. So perhaps you want to do something with an eclipse, or perhaps there's a conjunction with the moon and Venus, and you want to store that water. So you can look ahead at spell work or magic that you might be doing in the future, and then make the moon water and preserve it to use later. You can also put a few drops of it in a chalice at any given time. So perhaps you're doing a ritual at a strange time. I don't know, maybe the moon is waning, but you're doing something that you need to do the magic for increase. Well, maybe you're gonna pull out your moon water that is having waxing moon energy, and you're gonna use that while the moon is waning to kind of cancel out the other energies that are happening.

GDC 27:21

I love it. Listeners, we're sitting down here with Lady Jesamyn and Llewellyn's, the author of Llewellyn's complete book of the moon, www.jasmineangelica.com. Everything's in the show notes. If you are enjoying the show, you can support it by liking, subscribing, and sharing. Also, connect with us, leave a comment, text the show option wherever you listen to podcasts, leave a review, or email us at beliefbeingbeyond at gmail.com. Also, I'm on Patreon where a small donation goes a long way. Find this and more episodes at GranddaughterCrow.com. Thank you. Now back to the show. So next question, Jenny. I know you ha you gotta have more. I'm like, what is Jenny gonna ask?

Jenny 28:21

Well, I wanna say that I love that. Um we get a lot of new questions, like questions like that in our coven. And I had never heard the idea of preserving the moon water with alcohol, but that makes perfect sense because if people are familiar with flower essences. Yes, that is exactly how that works. So that alone is like such an um I've never heard anybody say that before. So that is a really cool tip. Um, thank you so much for sharing that with us and sharing with everybody that's listening. So if I'm you know brand new and I wanna, you know, connect with the moon today. Like I'm like, hey, I wanna I wanna do something with the moon. I I haven't read your book, you know, and maybe I'm ordering it and I'm like, okay, what can I do today? I'm like really excited, is what could we do?

Jesamyn 29:06

There's so many things to do.

Simple Moon Practices By Element

Jesamyn 29:09

So one of the things I like to do is look at the moon through the lens of the elements of life. So air, fire, water, or earth. So you would you would discover what sign the earth that's the earth, the moon is traveling through, and then you can connect with the moon using that element. So say that the moon is traveling through Libra, which is an air sign. So that to me would indicate an easy way to connect would be through breath. So I would concentrate on breathing the energy of the moon into my body and then releasing anything that I don't want to carry out with my breath. I might breathe in the energy of the moon into my body and then breathe gratitude out to the moon for all that's happening in my life or things that I've manifested, or even just for the moon's witness of my life. Because when you think about it, the moon has witnessed every moment of our lives and every moment of all of humanity. The moon witnessed everything that our ancestors did too, which just always makes me feel so connected to the whole cycle of birth and death and rebirth. And then for fire, you might want to create a moon candle, or if the moon's waning, you know, burn a candle down to release stuff. If the moon is waxing, burn a candle to call things forth. If you don't have a lot of time, I like to use birthday candles. So say you have five minutes before work, get a birthday candle, and there's your skull. You can do it before you're out the door for the day. Because, as we all know, do not leave flames unattended in your home or anywhere else, please. So really be mindful about you know how much time do I have to work with this fiery moon? Okay, I have five minutes, a birthday candle. Okay, I have like all day. Well, then a tea light or you know, a votive candle, or perhaps you create a candle that you burn during the fire moon, like a novena that you put out and save until you're complete burning that entire candle down. So fire, I love fire moons. I'm a fire moon, so I think that's part of my connection there. And then we talked about water. There's so many ways. Um, and I do talk about creating lunar elixir in the book, and that's very similar to flower essences, and you can combine herbs and um gems and crystals to make your lunar elixir too. And those are things that you can, you know, take immediately or take um over a long period of time. Perhaps you're working with some kind of healing that you want to do. Maybe you're taking those drops every day for a certain cycle. I like to use a pendulum to discover how long to take an essence for, which is really fun um to do. And then Earth, of course, is connecting with your body, connecting with the earth herself, and then sending roots down into the earth, and then from that place of being really grounded with the earth mother, sending etheric branches up to the moon so you can bring her energy down into your physical vessel, into your human body, and really being mindful about bringing those energies into yourself and allowing them to cleanse and heal whatever needs to be cleansed and healed. I like to use lunar energy to kind of move things out of my body, and then you can send those things down through your roots into the earth, into the core of the earth where the holy magma is, and let that fire burn things away that you don't want to carry anymore.

GDC 32:44

I love that. I mean, I told you guys we'd be calling down the moon, and this is this is one quick, easy way to do it. And just to clarify, a lot of times people think, well, I gotta wait until a full moon. No, the moon is right there, people. Sometimes you can find it during the day. Look for it and build a relationship. So, next question for

Luniversity And Lunar Living Daily

GDC 33:11

you. You've got the sisterhood of the moon, you've got women's mystery school, you've got Luna versa, Luniversity, which is just stating right now.

Jesamyn 33:26

I had thought it would be born by now, but it is it's not quite ready, so I'm letting it percolate. You know, we don't push things out until they're ready. Um, but Luniversity will be a space for all genders, so for all adults, and it will be focused on integrating lunar living, so it's not another thing that you have to do, not another course or certification type thing, but how do we integrate the moon into every aspect of our lives? And I found that the more that I integrate what the moon is doing, the more fluid and flowing and receptive my life is, and it can really just take kind of a pressure off when we work with how the moon is flowing. So I'm really excited to share it. I wish it was here right now, but it's percolating. She's percolating, she will be born who knows when she's ready, when she's ready, hopefully by the end of this year, but we'll see. I'm really trying to step into that embodied spaciousness where things don't feel hurried or rushed. And I think that's a lot to do also with where I am in my season of life, in my in my age of life. Um, but she's coming and I'm really excited, and uh, it's really kind of more ordering everything that's been written and seeing what will be the most um supportive and flowing for everyone who wants to join in with me.

GDC 35:04

I love that. So if you guys want to keep track of Luniversity and the birth, visit jasmineangelica.com to do that. Okay, so now that we've established that you are an educator, a leader, I've got a question for you.

Leadership And The Empowered Sovereign

GDC 35:26

What is an important archetype for the next generation of pagan community leaders andor priests, priestesses, priest exes to learn to embody right now?

Jesamyn 35:42

You know I love this question. And it is my opinion that the empowered sovereign is the most important archetype for leaders to embody right now. So in women's space, you might know that as empowered queen, in men's space, empowered king, but in mixed spaces, I like to say empowered sovereign because that's reflective of everyone's life experience. And the empowered sovereign is someone who leads ethically, someone who leads with integrity, someone who knows their own worth and is standing within their own personal power. And what I mean by using the word power here is power that is sourced from within. This is never, ever, ever power over another person. And when people are leading from that place of the empowered sovereign, they are holding the vision for the entire group that they're leading. They are holding the vision for what everyone in the collective has said that they want through their participation in that group. So this involves taking care of the greater whole, not the individual. So caretaking of the individual, the individual needs of an individual person, that is under the purview of the archetype of the mother, the father, the parent. And as a leader, you don't want to be leading from that place because that is the place where things become codependent. That is where drama comes from, that is where people who have not done their healing work have expectations of being able to work out whatever those issues are on the leader, and that literally is what leads to leadership burnout. Almost every group I know that has ended is because the person who is leading is leading like a parent, not like a sovereign. And when you are a sovereign leader, that inspires everyone you're practicing with to step into their own empowered sovereignty, and then it becomes a group of empowered sovereigns where everyone is responsible for their own selves, their own actions, their own reactions, their own emotions, their own healing, their own intentions, articulating what they want so that people can say yes or no, where everything is transparent and laid out on the table. So, of course, boundaries is a huge part of being the empowered sovereign and leading like water. I don't even remember who told me that. Leading like water, because water is fluid and flowing and receptive and intuitive and feeling, but it's also unstoppable and it doesn't happen by force. We don't have to push the river, right? The river is just making its way down through the banks, and it's a it's a place where love can be placed at the center, then, right? Because there's not unvoiced expectations, there's love at the center, love and compassion.

GDC 39:09

Oh my goodness. So everybody knows me as Granddaughter Crow. I also have a doctorate in leadership, and I support everything that you just said. I've studied leadership, well, a lot on a doctoral level. And what you just said, I think even if the up-and-coming new leaders, the up-and-coming young, um, you know, whatever you want to call them, will do this, but I also encourage everybody who's listening to this podcast to have that sovereignty and empowerment. Yeah, 100. Mic drop!

Jesamyn 39:52

Thank you. It's very important to me. It's very, it's a very important topic to me.

GDC 39:58

Yeah, me too. And I love how you just threw that down. It's it's so beautiful because I do think that a lot of times what you're looking at is like you said, that that nurturing role. And so when we find that we're there, then all of a sudden we're caretaker. But leader is one who reveals what it looks like to be what that is that people are striving to become or whatnot. They hold that energy. And I'll just mess it up if I keep talking because you just I love what you're saying.

Jesamyn 40:30

And and I was very, very intrigued by the doctorate in leadership. So we will have to talk about that later.

GDC 40:36

Uh yeah, next book. You heard it here, folks? No, I just can't bring it. Bring it. We're going to talk about leadership. I love it. So what else where are we at, Jenny? What else do we have? Anything? I think we have a question.

Jenny 40:53

Oh, is it our final question?

GDC 40:55

Yeah, I think it's time for our final question, unless there was another one of your million questions that you wanted to slip in there, because I'm game too.

Jenny 41:05

No, I could I could talk to Jessman forever. Um, I well, can I just say I love this archetype of a queen because so I run a community and I come from a background in teaching and I got burned out teaching because as a teacher, I was in the role of mother. Right.

Jesamyn 41:24

Yeah.

Jenny 41:24

And so then when I was like, I when I start this community, these are adults and I'm not their mom. And I remember telling myself that many times. And if someone felt like they were relying on me too much, or they were kind of like trying to personal message me and kind of cross boundaries, I was like, no. And I like actually left pushed someone out of our coven because they were really trying to use me as like their personal mother. And so that I never put those words together. I never was like not mother, queen, sovereign, but you're talking and like so many light bulbs. I was like, oh my gosh, yes, that's that's the key. So that's beautiful.

Jesamyn 42:03

Yeah. And there's perfect places for the archetype of the mother, the father, the parent. It's just not in leadership. Yeah. Like it's a dangerous, dangerous role to play. And I think no one's doing this on purpose. We're just not taught any better. And I definitely learned this through experiencing leadership that was not appropriate. And I'm like, how can we do we can do better? I know we can do better. And I love archetypes, so you know, there's there's that too.

GDC 42:34

Yeah, and I just got a two more sense. A lot of times we put the label of leader on a person because of uh tenure, because they have been doing something for an extended amount of time, but that doesn't make leader. Tenure experience does not make leader, it it's another type of and exactly it's queendom, it's kingdom, it's sovereign, it's priestess, you know, and and I think that for me, I personally love, love, love working with people who are self-empowered with healthy boundaries because you know that they'll take care of themselves, even if you're like, woo-hoo, you know, just playing around.

Jesamyn 43:14

So I think a lot of people um are taught to play the victim. And the victim archetype, it can't coexist with the empowered sovereign. It it just doesn't work. Those things can't be in the same place at the same time. So when we notice ourselves moving in a victim space, being like, no, no, no, no, empowered sovereign space, I can no matter what terrible things have happened to me and what trauma I've experienced, because all humans have terrible things happen to them. All of us are carrying trauma. We don't have to sit in that victim space. We can choose differently. We can choose to be that empowered sovereign. Yeah.

GDC 43:56

One hundred yeah, that's so

Jenny 44:00

Amazing and yeah, just I could talk about this forever. But yes, that's like, yeah, it's so well, no, that whole thing, like you can't be in the state of a victim and the state of a sovereign. That alone is like if you so people that are listening, if you're not in any kind of leadership role, just like take that for yourself. That if you are finding yourself in the role of victim often, know that you can't be in your empowered king or queenness or sovereignness if you're a victim. That's that's so good. That's so good. Thank you. That means a lot to me coming from you.

GDC 44:39

So true. It's so true. Okay, so time for the final question. Do you want to ask or do you want me to ask?

Jenny 44:48

It's I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let you ask the line.

What Is Beyond Wisdom Belonging Love

GDC 44:51

Okay, so here at Belief Being and Beyond, we understand that there are m a lot of belief systems, and belief systems constitutes how you're being, but there's always something more. There's always something beyond. So our question to you, Lady Jesamyn Angelica, what is beyond?

Jesamyn 45:16

I love that question because it is a holy mystery. We actually can't know what is beyond, but it is my hope that what is beyond is wisdom and belonging and love. And I think those are the three things that we always are seeking in this lifetime that all humans are seeking wisdom and belonging and love. We might not be conscious of it, but that does guide almost all of our actions. So that's my hope. That's my hope that in the great beyond is infinite wisdom and belonging and love.

GDC 46:00

Oh, I'll I'll I'll sign up for your beyond. That sounds good. Put me on the list. Yeah, I'll buy my ticket. I love it.

Closing Links And How To Support

GDC 46:11

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