S2E15 - Dr C Julian Gray from MUFON - Season Finale

Talk about a wild ride! Step into the unknown with us and Dr. C. Julian Gray of MUFON as he unpacks UFO sightings, personal encounters, and the hidden challenges of researching what the world can’t fully explain. From Washington’s hotspot skies to the government’s secretive role, he breaks down what makes UFOs so compelling. Along the way, he dives into extraterrestrial life, technology’s role in sightings, spiritual experiences, and the lingering mysteries of ancient civilizations. This is a mind-bending conversation for anyone who wants to peek behind the veil of the unexplained!

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speaker-0 (00:00.024)
Do you think aliens watch earth porn?

What? I have no idea, man. I can tell you that if they do, good luck to them. Shit. I mean, if they get some of the bad porn, then they really have a different concept on us.

One.

speaker-3 (00:18.178)
That'd be rough because then they're gonna think we all like that and we do not.

Let's face it man, if they get some of the fat girl porn, we're in real trouble because they're gonna look at all the fat girls.

speaker-0 (00:39.342)
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speaker-2 (00:47.178)
All right. Welcome back. Welcome back to the stale bread podcast. We have a very special guest today. We're talking about UFOs and sightings. And with us today is Dr. C Julian Gray from the mutual UFO network. And he is based out of Washington state. Am I correct?

Correct, correct. Yakima, Washington is my nearest town that I'm around.

Is that a good area for sightings?

actually in the Olympic peninsula, is probably there's a lot of high sightings, different things. Some of these are hoaxes. Don't get me wrong. You've got some of these people that see a shooting star and think they saw a UFO and, but there are some real instances where we've gotten some data. I have personally seen an object. could not tell what it was. know that

based on what we were sitting and looking at. It looked to be about three or four foot long and probably about a foot wide, but it was more oblong type looking and it was quick. It moved very erratic. And I can't tell you where it was at because that was one of the places where we were basically, we went further over the next day to kind of see if we could see it. Cause we saw that it was at night. We saw the mountain ridge.

speaker-1 (02:13.576)
and we decided to go exploring and we were escorted out of the area. But we were on foot. Yeah, yeah. So it was pretty interesting. we have a lot of government oversight, just to tell you. So we have to be careful where we're at. Around, we've started seeing a lot more on the coastal areas on the coast of Washington State itself and even lower Oregon there, know, the upper part of Oregon.

and seems to be more active around military installations, but the installations are hundreds of miles away, but it seems to be, you know, and we don't subject it to saying it's a military aircraft or whatever it may be, but what we saw that night disappeared into a mountain range and there's no way to get anything but through it. And you would be able to tell if it went over it. So that's why we went to explore and evidently

Somebody from the government knew what the hell was going on. it's definitely, we've seen different aspects of what goes on through, what we've got, out in the field. We've seen some areas where we found burns on rocks, even, just, you know, some very oddity type things, but we did see that one myself and, Daniel, Nims, which is one of my colleagues, we were together. That's usually the guy that I'm hanging around with sometimes. And, we're.

bouncing all over the place, doing different things. So with with move on and we're even looking at going into the Utah basin of their Nevada basins, Idaho, the Dakotas, because there are starting, we're starting to see more sightings in those areas, but Washington state is a big hotbed. We've got multiple people in here, a lot of volunteers that work for us and work with us. So, and,

My prior background with the government and being in the military, I had some access to certain things that I can't discuss. And it's really imperative that I stay kind of away from the government as much as I possibly can, because I don't want to get pigeonholed back into anything that I don't want to be questioned on something that I don't know exactly what it is. That's why I started looking at this, because I saw some anomalies. So it's been pretty interesting.

speaker-1 (04:39.096)
Pretty interesting little deal. I've been working with Mufon now for a little over eight and a half months. Prior to that, I was working with the government in a location I cannot discuss. And it was similar to seeing some of this, but not as much as what we're seeing or hearing from the field. So there are a lot more sightings in than you can imagine. So especially up in that peninsula area, and we don't know why that's the whole key. So.

lot of over the water type stuff is what we start seeing, but we're not taking ships and boats out there. They say it comes towards the land and then it just disappears.

Do you have any guesses of why? Because there's been some theories that they're not coming from space, they're coming from the ocean.

That's the whole piece. We haven't seen anything from the observations that I've seen and been out on the field pieces. Because what we do is we typically hear these things are happening at night. Because I guess the illumination you can see. We've had a couple where they've seen them from boats, but they stay low to the water. And then they come up, even in some of the streamed areas, but they're not very big.

You know, you would anticipate these to be a big ship of some sort or object or whatever. These are not big, they're small. I don't know what they are. You know, we anticipate that it's small observation vehicles, you know, objects that are just seeing what's out here.

speaker-3 (06:13.964)
like scouting vehicles type

Yeah, it's like vast. It's it's there's a vast amount of information that we keep trying to gather, but we are being stonewalled by the government a lot of times. You know, we've taken we had one of our groups actually had a photograph and that went hush hush. They came into the wiped servers from the buildings. I mean, it that was pretty intense. And that's why we kind of stayed more remote and we communicate, you know, and basically.

our databases, you know, have not been breached because, but they have been challenged. So, and we've got a pretty good network of people that, that take care of that stuff. But again, we are seeing sightings coming from the ocean area. We don't know if they're coming from the sea or whatever, but it is going inland. But what we saw was near a particular lake and I won't name the name of the lake, but where we saw that, but it didn't come, it came like over the mountain.

And then it went into the mountain and it didn't make any sense, but it was on the opposite side. didn't go through the mountain. just like it went into the mountain. And that's where we started exploring. And that's where we got challenged at.

I wish they would hurry up. I'm tired of working these 12 hour days. I want them to come scoop me up.

speaker-1 (07:28.366)
I can tell you this much, I'd wish they'd gather some of these nitwits that we have up here in Washington State, Jesus Christ. I mean, they just need to get a busload of them and just haul them to them if they come with a muggle.

Sorry if we have any Washington State fans.

And I can tell you right now, what's the oddest thing that's happened to me doing this. And it's kind of scary is when you go in to the restroom in a little restaurant, mom and pop deal, you know, and then these guys come in and they know your name, your I'm washing my hands and these guys go in one goes to the urinal and the other standing kind of like he's waiting. He goes up. So you're Dr. Great. I'm like, yeah, well, well, you're one of those, what, UFO guys. And I'm like,

And I have no uniform on. have nothing to identify. I'm with MUFON, but yet they knew who the hell I was. And we, and then we were new in this little town. We had not, we weren't even discussing anything while we were eating. So these guys were watching us, which was scary. We were parked into a national park about three miles up the road. That's where our camp was. And we came into town to get something to eat. We hadn't been discussing any of this information. You know, we're all on air cards and everything else where we can get service.

which one of them is a satellite link. the, these guys started asking questions. It's like, myself and Daniel, we decided, Hey, let's pack our shit up. We're out of here, dude. We're done. We're getting out. I mean, I was like, you know, and nothing's more fearful than to know that, you know, first off, when you get escorted out of one place, you know, three weeks earlier, and then all of a sudden we're in a whole different area. We're 200 miles almost from where we were at that got escorted. And then these guys stopped me in a bathroom. I thought I was going to get mugged.

speaker-1 (09:10.446)
I actually went down and changed vehicles. bought a used vehicle and put it in brother's name. So I could just like, I sold the vehicle. I got my brother to put it in his name. So, and he sent me a tag from Georgia. He got it, he got it registered in Georgia. So I'm up here on the Georgia tag. I'm from a little town out of a folks area around in there, a little town up there, they hunted Georgia. So.

That's where I'm originally from, but I've been out in the West Coast for over 25 years now.

was the first time or the first time that you actually were interested in UFOs or

I going to ask the same question, like what got you into UFOs?

Well, you know, I was working at the government and I can tell you, I worked at a NASA facility for five years and I got to see some pretty interesting stuff at the NASA facility. just intrigued me. You know, there was no sighting, you know, no UFO or this or that or the other, but I talked to a gentleman that was a pilot and

speaker-1 (10:21.026)
He expressed that he had encountered some things up in the upper California basin area up in Northern California that he found pretty intriguing. And NASA was actually looking in that area at one time. So I just found it and I was working as a contractor and I found it pretty interesting. And I'm just sort of doing a little research and just kind of kept it to myself over the years. and then I got put into a special program with the government and

out Nevada and stayed on that. But I've never, and I can tell you this, so I've never seen an alien itself. I've never seen an alien vehicle other than what we saw in the night sky that night and up close because, you know, if they've got it, they damn sure don't let, but certain people get in there and I wasn't one of them. So I can tell you that, but that found it pretty intriguing. It's taken on a whole new light. I'm divorced.

I have a family, their kids are growing up and stuff, but they think I still work for the government. The kids do. The ex, she's doing her thing wherever she's at, could give a rat's ass less. But I took it upon myself and I see the kids every once in a while and I think, hey, dad still works in Nevada, but dad's not Nevada no more.

Was this our reason for the divorce or?

A lot of it had to do, I had an ex-wife that was just actually a funnel for money, that funneled money out of our account to her family herself and decided that it was easier for my kids to have a certain amount, but she wanted to make sure that she took care of her family as much as she took care of my family. And being working and being gone quite a bit, you know, where I was at and not at home and not paying attention, like a ding-dong.

speaker-1 (12:15.598)
with finances and everything because I was intrigued with my job and doing what I like to do. And it one thing led to another and after 23 years and the kids were old enough, we were done. But this played a role in it too, working for the government. So because it's very demanding where I was at.

OK. So as far as what's your crew like there? How many people do you have working on sightings? And also, earlier you also said about actual data. What's the actual data that you're collecting?

Well, on the sidings, what we do is we go out and do a complete like walkout. Basically we get the information from the individuals that send it to us. We interview them and then we ask a lot of questions. We ask where it's at. A lot of these are sidings that aren't right in your face. I mean, some of these are miles away sidings. So we have to go try to piece it all together. We have to go back to the spot where they saw it at, you know, where they, if they saw it in the distance, two miles away or a mile away or whatever.

And that's what we do is we interview these people and don't get me wrong. We go to some people, some individuals that clearly have a whole different light. mean, I say this laughingly, but you know, the way everybody laughs about the tin foil hats. Well, we've encountered those, trust me.

actual tin foil hats.

speaker-1 (13:43.65)
Yeah, actually tinfoil hats. It's, it's, it's the hardest thing not to laugh when you get to interview them. But the guy goes, I want to shield myself from any radiation. And I'm thinking to myself, what the hell's a a damn tinfoil hat going to do for you? And he, what he did, he took a cowboy hat and he put tinfoil all over it. was the craziest thing I've ever seen in life. And I'm like, okay. So

Right.

speaker-1 (14:08.972)
I mean, we've been treated, we've had people we've interviewed. The funniest one was interviewing a lady that said that she was talked to by aliens. Said it landed on her front porch and we, you know, and it talked to me. I'm like, okay. So, you know.

I gotta ask you, do you think aliens are real?

Yes, I believe there is another creature or being of some sort that is looking at us as people to see what we do. I think they're monitoring our behaviors. I really do.

Do you think aliens watch earth porn?

Earth what? I have no idea, man. I can tell you that if they do good luck to them. Shit. mean, if they get if they get some of the bad porn, then they're really they really have a different concept on us.

speaker-3 (14:59.138)
That'd be rough because then they're gonna think we all fuck like that and we do not.

I mean, let's face it, man, if they get some of the fat girl porn, we're in real trouble because they're gonna look at all the I mean, jeez. Yeah.

So now I got throw away my tin foil hat because it doesn't work.

Yeah, no. mean, listen, I can't make this stuff up, man. These people are just, some people really lead you on these goose chases that are, you know, they, you know, it's insane. We had one call us up and it said that not only did he see a UFO, but he saw Bigfoot talking, you know, out with a UFO talking to him. I'm like, okay. So that really intrigued us. I'm like, look, if there's a Bigfoot out here, there's gotta be a print.

We went out all over the place. The only thing we found out there was elk, you know, you know, me elk, we're trampling the ground and stuff. I'm like, okay, this guy had some serious, serious LSD drugs or something. Cause he, he just insisted on this thing. He was about probably about 38, 39 years old. And I mean, and he was a white job too, tattooed all up crazy. I'm thinking Jesus. So, so we get some pretty odd, odd things. It's pretty fun though.

speaker-1 (16:22.582)
I do believe there's something out there. We just can't find it yet and explain it.

Let note Dr. Gray, do you out of everything you've researched out of everything you've seen? What is the one case that made you stop and go? Okay, this is either aliens or I need a fucking therapist.

I would say it was the one when we were, it's like we were two o'clock in the morning when we saw that shape and then it went across that lake and into the mountain and it did not go over it. went into it and the research we did the next day to try to find it. That was what the hair stood up on my back because it, when it disappeared, it's like everything got silent, like extremely quiet. And that's kind of the thing that it made the hair stand up on my back. So I'm like, that's pretty odd.

But that's the most intriguing thing I've ever seen.

heard the hair stand up on my back arm head.

speaker-1 (17:17.326)
It's a metaphor though, you know what I mean though, because it just it's got that creepy feeling to it.

Let's go backwards a little bit. What's your training? You've worked for the government and everything. You obviously have a doctorate. How did you learn? What's your education?

Well, I went through, you know, I did the basic thing. I went through the military. I went in, I did my four years. got out. And I said, you know what? I I'm going to take a job with a contractor. I had some schooling when I was in in the Navy and stuff. That's where I came from, the United States Navy. I finished a regular bachelor's degree. I did that through two different courses. Back then, we didn't have online courses that had to go at night. And I did it through

the one of the schools there at Fresno state. So finish that up at Fresno state, got my bachelor's and then what I did after that was when I went to work for the government, that's where the change really happened. After I left working, what I was doing with these, the contractor I was at, that's when I went into the government, which I can't really discuss a lot about what I did with the government because there's a lot of top secret information that's involved. It deals with various

parts of our defense. And I was one of the guys at the forefront that along with there was probably about 25 of us that were together that worked in various things that you're starting to see from the late eighties to now that we are starting to see come through some of our military defenses that we helped develop.

speaker-3 (19:03.48)
What do you think about this giant asteroid that they keep talking about? What's the name of A1?

I've heard a little bit about that. And I think that, you know, these things are going to be, they've been there for years. Things are, NASA has found that there's multiple asteroids that have come close to Earth. This was probably going to be the closest one in ever. But these things have been out there even before we started doing our research. You know, just think for the telescopes were invented and the different things, there's no telling what the hell is going out there in outer space. But

I believe this asteroid probably is going to have some impact, but it's not going to be on our planet. It's going to be one of the other planets and it's probably going to tear something up if it hits it. But it may just go through our, through our, our system. But if you know anything about any asteroids or any meteors that hit the earth, you know, there are some metals in those meteors and things that are, that are nothing native to our planet. So even when you see some of the hits, there's guys that dig them up all the time.

And it's pretty intriguing to see that things from outer space have different levels. mean, they can't, some of these ash, these meteors and stuff that they find that are on the ground, they can't cut them with any, any diamond tip blades or anything like that. I mean, I see them all the time. Guys discuss it different forms and everything. Yeah. Trying to cut this stuff. It's insane. So, I believe that it's going to get close, close to us, but nothing to impact us.

That brings me to my next point. If I even had a first. A lot of lot of sighting seem to be happening more and more. They're getting more frequent. And just like you mentioned with 3i Atlas, do you think that this is because something is going to happen? Or do you think it's simply because technology is improving?

speaker-1 (20:58.05)
think the latter part of what you're talking about, technology's improved and we're just now starting to see the different things. You think about this, and I'll give you a great example of this, if you ever get a chance, go to Las Vegas and go to the Sphere, which is one of the newest AI type protocols that they've got out there, where they're setting up Android type creatures, I call them creatures, to be able to communicate with you. mean, they'll talk to you like we're talking right now, a complete robotic type, what they call a...

a great bot or whatever you want to call it. So I believe our technology has done a lot as far as to show us what we can see and what we can do. It's just amazing to go back and let's just talk a little bit about everything that's happened in the last 200 years. I mean, we went from shooting musket balls to shooting missiles. Think about that. you know, seriously, I mean, and the technology we have now with stealth, stealth didn't just get invented guys. Stealth is taken.

from something that we have discovered or has landed or we've found. I mean, it's plain and simple. I worked in that industry, can tell you now, we didn't invent all this. Go back and see that our society has completely changed. And now with technology, iPhones, iPads, types of different things of that nature, but when you start getting into the audio visual, you've got cameras out there that can take a snapshot of a Nat client. Think about that.

speaker-1 (22:38.286)
I believe it possibly can, but I believe also that that is the technology that will ruin mankind. That will be the end of mankind if that takes over. And I'll just be honest with you. I believe that if there's creatures out there that are exposing themselves to us, that we sooner or later are going to find out that they've been here the whole time. We just haven't, we don't know who it is or what it is. You know? I mean, honestly, we know we all bleed. We've got our own system. I mean, think about that. Think about our bodies.

Our bodies are amazing pieces of anything we have. It's the most intricate piece that we have in the world as a human being. Same thing with any other animal. It's got its recovery systems. It's got its own blood flows. It's got everything to heal itself to a certain point until we get into some disease or whatever we can't. So it's out there. Something's out there and something's given us this information and technology. It's got to be.

What's the future of UFO work like? What are you working towards? What is kind of the goal of the mutual UFO network?

big thing is, is not exposure to say, we got UFOs. No, it's to understand what the unidentified flying objects are, what they're doing here, and what can we learn from it? The problem we've got is everybody, you know, everybody with a damn shotgun sees something flying around and they want to shoot it. You know what I'm saying? Somebody wants to kill it. Yeah, but it's, it's not, you don't know if it shoots back. That's a bad thing. And you don't know if it gets shot down, if it brings more.

weaponry to it or whatever it may be to rescue it.

speaker-0 (24:19.288)
that I'll steal their space guns and murder them. Take their ship.

Well, but the one I saw, it wouldn't have been that it wouldn't have been that big, you know, if whatever it is, it could, like I said, whatever that vehicle was that we saw, and I call it a vehicle because that's what I would consider it to be the object that it just didn't make sense what it was. And then it just disappeared into the mountains.

And that's why I thought to ask this question, I'm going to nerd the fuck out for a second. If it's interdimensional, that would explain it phasing into that mountain. It just disappeared. So you're saying the size wasn't that big. That could be a tear in the dimension or something like that. Some type of poor

Yeah, it could, it could possibly be. mean, we've got one group that is looking at that because they talk about these places in Utah with these portals and things of that nature, because they're doing a lot of experimentation in different places in Utah, you know, with, just different sightings and stuff they've seen there. Some more is happening up in North Dakota and South Dakota, but it seems to be, and another place it's really active with is our

Native American people. It seems to happen a lot around the old Native American ruins, grounds, and things of that nature.

speaker-0 (25:43.662)
And that's how they can build such good casinos.

Well, I don't know.

Maybe that's how they build these crafts from the casino money.

No, I can tell you this much because he was stuck up here on the Indian reservation. you know, and and a lot of the other ones, too. So they're there.

They haven't been visited. They haven't been visited yet.

speaker-1 (26:06.604)
Yeah. But it's interesting because we do see some sightings around those places too. And that's an oddity because we've got one team that was approached that were on the backside of one of the reservations and they were, they were checking out a sighting and they were approached by the tribal police type people that they weren't even on the reservation and they monitored what they were doing. And if they cross a certain thing, it's like, where the hell these guys come from?

You know, they were nowhere. Our team was nowhere near the other than probably a half a mile from the reservation. But for some reason they knew we were in that area, what was going on. And then when we got back on the road, our team did, they were stopped and they were stopped not in a reservation or anything bordering the reservation. They were stopped down the road, quite a ways and ask a lot of questions. So we have to be careful in my organization because it is exciting, but it's also scary.

because people do not know or understand what is really going on out there. So, and that's, it's the truth. It scares people. Change of fear of the unknown scares people a lot, especially, you know, the way our world is now. So.

Yeah, we just need to go back to what our mothers taught us. Look and don't touch.

Yeah. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe the aliens operate that way too. I don't know. You know, but you know, like I said, when you hear these, some of these, some of these stories, it's just mind boggling and you got to weed through the crap too, honestly. So, cause some of it is crap, you know, and we spend a lot of time, we are privately funded. And we, we do well. I can tell you that.

speaker-1 (27:55.574)
I don't know who all the funders are, they seem to be able to pour some money in this place. Because they're interested too.

They want to pour money into a podcast. Yeah.

We'd love to have a sponsor.

We can...

We could use just a little bit, you Well, I did have a question as far as like some of your other beliefs, like do you believe in like angels, demons, ghosts or anything like that?

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speaker-1 (28:24.696)
You know, bringing that up, can tell you right now, I believe there's a higher, a higher being a God. I believe in God. I also believe in the devil. I've seen people that actually look like the devil. I've been around a person that I could have swore he was a devil. And I also believe in angels too. And I believe that I at one time was touched by an angel a long time ago when I got saved after I lived a pretty

rough part of my life and stuff. And my daughter took me to church and I got saved and I had a lung. I had a empyema. I was operated on about eight years before that. I had a massive pain in my side and where they had taken the chest tubes out and it was scar tissue. And I went up and asked the Lord to change my life and do the right things for me. And

A man came up and touched, he said, son, I know you're in pain here. And I didn't told anybody about my pain. I wore that pain on my own, that scar myself. And he put his hands on me and basically he healed me right there at the altar. And that is a true, true statement. And my daughter led me to that church. I since left that church. And when I went through my divorce and everything else, again, my wife was going there. My ex-wife was going there.

And my daughter led me to that. And that's why I believe, I believe there's angels, devils, and I believe in God. So, and there's a lot of devils out there, trust me. I've been a devil myself every once in a while. I can tell you that, but I've not popped any horns out, I can tell you, but I think we all go through that a lot.

Yeah, I think we all have our phases.

speaker-1 (30:07.822)
But I believe in angels. believe we're touched by angels a lot of times in our dignities and things of that. And these could be that. I have no idea. I believe that there was an ancient group of people that came to earth and actually did some of the things. You can look at all these other civilizations. They show different things in some of their drawings, in some of their carvings of a fire society that came to earth. I believe those pyramids weren't just built by man. I can tell you that.

There's no way I'm

What's going to ask you about that? That was going to be my next question.

I believe that those things had help. You can look at those stones. Take a look at those stones. Tell me how many people you think it would take to move some of those stones. You look down at the Mayans and Incans down in South America, the Aztecs, you get Machu Picchu. Look at that. It's not only ingenuity, but how did they learn this? How did they learn? Think about how we learn now.

And imagine that when you were without the tools that we have now to cut block concrete, ship it, things of that nature, somebody, some way, or form, help them create those, those proper angles and things of that nature. So absolutely.

speaker-3 (31:30.878)
There's been theories that it's been not built up, but built down. So they started from the top down.

Yeah, I would say you'd have something in the bottom because you have to build a strong foundation. So, and I believe that, but I truly believe if you look at the civilizations, if you follow anything down in Central America and see the vast aqueducts that were created through the Citrons and stuff of those Springs, it's amazing. And the only reason that they fell was because of the Spaniards. If the Spanish had not came in there and conquered that central part of America, the central America.

They probably would have been a thriving society for thousands of years. And they were a thriving society before they came in and brought disease and control and everything else.

There's a fun book on that. If if by fun, you want to be fucking bored. It's called Guns, Germs and Steel. If you haven't had the opportunity and you are someone interested, that explains how certain societies developed faster than others, why some were stuck where they are resource opportunities, all that stuff. So on a serious note, that actually is a good book. Check it out.

Yeah, absolutely.

speaker-0 (32:48.8)
I gotta ask man, if a UFO came here right now and beamed, would you walk into it and go up? Okay, well, what if they landed?

I'm not that brave, man. I'll be honest with you. I like looking at a distance. I'm okay with the distance. I'll let you walk into it if you want.

No, no. What if they landed instead and someone walked out and said, Hey, Dr. Gray, just come with us. You'll be safe. We want to show you everything. Now, would you do it? What if they had great tits?

No.

What if it was an orgy ship and they were like, yeah, nope.

speaker-1 (33:30.484)
I'm too old. I'm too old to get into all that crazy shit. honestly. Yeah, but no, but seriously, Jeremy, mean, I'm a chicken. I'm a chicken when it comes to that. I'm great looking at a distance, dude. So it's better to be an observer.

Generative things.

speaker-0 (33:47.746)
I'd stay too.

man, I'm in. Send me to Mars, set of the aliens, I'm in. I'm gone. Let's go. Let's go see the universe.

So you need a tin hat, right?

Yeah, apparently. I'll have a whole tin suit.

Yeah, it's in suit.

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of ad. Oh, this is this has been great. Thanks. Thanks, Dr. Gray. This has been a good time. You guys

think, well, let's find out what his next ventures might be before we go.

Okay. One of my next ventures is probably going to be going into the Utah basin. there seems to be some paranormal activity there along with is what they're saying along with the UFO sightings. and the different, different type of things they're saying, but they're, they're going paranormal in there saying that, you know, it's, they're having, the Indians or, you know, the native Indians, native Americans to be politically correct are saying that they are seeing,

visions of different things like that. And they're seeing, like ghosts and things of that nature, but they're also seeing these UFOs. So we think they're kind of tied together and we're probably going to be going down into the Utah basin, upper Nevada basins area in there and, taking a round. seems to be whatever's showing up. It seems to be close to the mines. like

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old mines, like old gold mines, silver mines, or whatever they were mining copper. doesn't matter. Really. It just seems to be, I don't know if it's or attracting type beans or whatever, but it seems to be some of the things that we're looking at. So, but yeah, that's my next one. I'm, I'm going to be leaving this area where I'm at now and trying to transitional going back across the United States. Cause I want to get closer to my kids and being out here for so long.

It's kind of lonely up on the mountain up here. So I don't have a, I don't have a girlfriend or a wife and really don't really want one doing this type of stuff because it is kind of, it's kind of different.

That could be a little damper on a relationship, I can imagine.

Yeah. Well, I'll put it to you this way. It doesn't work very well. I already tried it once. So.

Unless you get an alien with nice tits.

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It doesn't matter. She still had nice ones, but she you may as well call her an alien. So she acted like.

All right, so is there any like anything you want to plug or if people want to donate like a web address or anything like that?

No, I would just tell you to, if you're interested in anything, go to move on. They have a site you can, if you see a sighting, that's the most intriguing thing that I think that you could possibly ever get. If you ever see a sighting of something, I'm not sure where all you are at. believe Mike, you're in Florida, right?

Florida. Keller's in North Carolina. Jeremy's down in Florida as well.

Okay. Well, Keller, you might want to look up there because, in the mountains up there in the, the smoky mountains and things of that nature up there in West Virginia, they've had some pretty good sightings besides all the stupid drone, you know, sightings and stuff. I had a friend of mine up there that wanted to go shotgun and up there. He even saw my shooting the damn things out there with shotguns and rifles, you know,

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Everybody's got shotguns or rifles now.

yeah. You laugh. He was starting a club and he was going to, he would, they were going to go up there with 30 all sixes and all kinds of stuff. And when they saw these things fly and start shooting them down, they ended their club got rated. They, they, they, there was about six of them and they got rated. It was pretty funny. So he's like, they came in and started asking questions. He said, and all they did is just kind of set it up as a group chat. By the way, they watch you on Facebook really good too. So

And they were doing all kinds of stuff. He said it was a little website, you know, a little Facebook page up, you know, about drones, drone hitters or something like that. Yeah. It didn't go over so well. So, cause guys really want to go up there and take a trip. They want to do it like a guy's weekend and just go up there and blast the crap out of that stuff.

Yeah, I'm not too far from the Smoky Mountains, but I'm pretty close to blowing rock, boom, the Appalachian Mountains.

Blowing what?

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Oh, the Blue Ridge Mountains. Yeah, Blue Ridge and all that and Appalachian Mountains. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of things. Take a look. You can look on the site. You'll see some of the things. lot of activity was in Washington state, and that's why I kind of came into it just to try it out see what it was like. So I thought it was pretty intriguing.

have a blue ridge.

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Well, see jokes on y'all because I'm actually the alien.

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Well, it's popping out all over the place. Thank you guys. Thank you guys for letting me on your podcast. I appreciate it. just, yeah, great one. All right. All right.

Thank you.

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Well, thank you.

Yes.

Jeremy, check us out.

Remember folks, if you're out of lotion, spit in your hand. Peace motherfuckers!

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Still Bread podcast is Daniel Keller, Jeremy Pope and Michael Kaliznik recorded live at SMG Studios, a division of SMG Communications. Executive producers, Michael Kaliznik and Tony Skippersen Clark.