Building Business w/ the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce
The Building Business podcast provides compelling stories of the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce's journey, its steadfast commitment to the local community, and its forward-thinking approach to addressing the needs of businesses in an ever-changing landscape. It stands as an invitation to listeners to become part of a movement that values growth, connection, and the collective progress of the Mount Pleasant, South Carolina community.
Be prepared to be inspired, informed, and motivated, as we provide a rich tapestry of stories that celebrate the dynamic interplay of business and personal growth right here, in our own backyard.
Building Business w/ the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce
Building Community Through Sport: Tanner Clay's Charleston Battery Journey
From the soccer pitch to the boardroom, Tanner Clay's journey with the Charleston Battery exemplifies how sports can build bridges between businesses and communities.
As a former College of Charleston soccer player who parlayed his passion into a leadership role with America's longest continuously running professional soccer club, Clay offers a refreshing perspective on sports marketing in a growing industry. "Without the community we don't exist," he emphasizes, highlighting the Battery's commitment to authentic engagement across the Lowcountry.
The episode reveals fascinating insights about the business side of soccer, from innovative partnership opportunities to the importance of creating family-friendly experiences that keep fans coming back. Clay shares candid stories about his transition from finance and tech sales into sports management, proving that following your passion can lead to meaningful career success.
What truly stands out is the Charleston Battery's community impact. From their work with MUSC Children's Hospital to youth engagement initiatives, the team consistently demonstrates that professional sports can be a powerful catalyst for positive change. Clay's personal commitment to mentorship through BMN Tour (earning him "Match of the Year" recognition) mirrors the organization's values.
With major soccer events coming to America – including the 2026 World Cup – Clay makes a compelling case for why businesses should develop their "soccer strategy" now. The Battery's accessibility offers local companies an affordable entry point into sports marketing compared to major league franchises.
Whether you're a soccer enthusiast, business owner, or someone interested in community development, this conversation delivers valuable takeaways about relationship building, strategic growth, and the future of soccer in America. Ready to experience Charleston Battery's unique brand of community-focused sports? Their next home game is June 21st against Phoenix Rising!
Mount Pleasant Chamber's 15th Annual Business and Community Expo
Venue
Omar Shrine Convention Center
Address
176 Patriots Point Road
Mount Pleasant, SC 29464, US
Starts
Thursday, Sept. 18, 2025, 11:00 a.m. EDT
Ends
Thursday, Sept. 18, 2025, 5:00 p.m. EDT
The Expo is designed to be both fun and educational, with interactive exhibitor booths that offer demonstrations, samples, and food.
info@mountpleasantchamber.org | mountpleasantexpo.com
9/18/25 @ Omar Shrine Convention Center from 11:00am - 5:00pm.
Presenting Sponsor: Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce
Studio Sponsor: Charleston Media Solutions
Production Sponsor: RMBO.co
Design Sponsor: DK Design
Committee:
Kathleen Herrmann | Host | MPCC Immediate Past President | Mount Pleasant Towne Centre
Mike Compton | Co-host | Marketing Chair | RMBO.co
Rebecca Imholz | Co-host | MPCC Executive Director
Amanda Bunting Comen | Co-host | Social ABCs
Ben Nesvold | Co-host | In-coming President | Edward Jones
Hello and welcome to the Building Business Podcast powered by the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce. We're here recording in the Charleston Media Solutions Studios, who, of course, are huge supporters and partners of the Chamber. So thank you for letting us record here today. And another huge thank you to our sponsor, dk designs. Oh yeah, uh. If you're looking for any kind of creative inspiration, reach out to uh, to darius designs. He's the best, he brands all of our work.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's amazing he's amazing um.
Speaker 1:my name is kathy herman and I am the immediate past president of the Mount Pleasant Chamber of Commerce. I'm also the marketing director at Mount Pleasant Town Center and I'm joined today again by one of my favorite podcast co-hosts. I know, but I love talking to you, Mike. Oh, that's nice of you. It's awesome. We've got Mike Compton president of Roomba Advertising, and Mike is also the current marketing committee chair for the chamber. That's right.
Speaker 3:Anything else you'd like to add about yourself, mike. Incoming president of the American Marketing Association. So if anybody wants to join the marketing team, we're here. I'm going to have Tanner. Tanner's going to join too. He doesn't know about it yet, but he's going to join the committee. Amanda's on it. Yeah, yeah yet, but he's going to join the committee. Amanda's on it. Yeah, yeah, we got a bunch of people on it.
Speaker 3:Nice, everybody's doing nice solicitation there I got it when I can I know thanks, kathy, all right, oh, speaking of tanner yeah, I know all right, so we've got an amazing guest with us today.
Speaker 1:um, he is a seasoned sales leader and former collegiate athlete with over a decade of experience across diverse industries. He specializes in driving growth and profitability through strategic B2B and B2C sales. His passion lies in building meaningful relationships both with clients and within communities to create lasting value. This sounds like someone you all want to work with, so please welcome Tanner Clay, director of Business Development for the Charleston Battery Soccer Club.
Speaker 2:Thank, you very much.
Speaker 1:Welcome Tanner.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:That was a nice introduction, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:You make me sound real good.
Speaker 1:Well, I think you made yourself sound good there. That is exactly the kind of person that people want to do business with, so we are really, really, really excited to have you here. I know the Charleston Battery is such a big thing too, mount Pleasant, in the entire Charleston area. Tell us how you kind of got involved with them, and I understand that you used, did you used to play soccer or some other sport?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so soccer has been my passion. I mean, I played all kinds of sports growing up, but soccer ended up being my number one.
Speaker 3:Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2:I grew up in Phoenix, Arizona, Wow. So, yeah, made my way to Charleston on a soccer scholarship to the College of Charleston. So I played under the legend of Ralph Lundy, Played with his son as well Awesome. But yeah, I mean soccer has always been my passion, and to be able to work in it professionally now it's a dream for sure.
Speaker 3:Real quick. Give us some history on Ralph Like why is he such a great coach? Yeah, so Ralph Lundy is this is the College of Charleston right, the College of.
Speaker 2:Charleston yeah, we started at Erskine College, and so he's probably the most well-known person in South Carolina when it comes to soccer maybe not even the Southeast. He took the College of Charleston men's program from NAIA all the way up to D1 over his 30-plus years of coaching, from playing at dirt horse lots downtown to what is now Patriots Point. So he's been integral in the growth of not only the College of Charleston soccer but youth soccer in the region.
Speaker 3:And youth soccer is ginormous here in the Lowcountry region my kid, the 9-year-old henry. He's big into it and there's a lot of them he's yeah, he's good, but you have to be great to make like a wando high school team or like a certain club, because there's club levels and there's the okay clubs and there's really high elite clubs and then there's like traveling clubs, right.
Speaker 1:They're all different too, right oh?
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh Went to Savannah the other weekend for one soccer game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you could do a whole podcast on soccer, exactly.
Speaker 3:Speaking of soccer podcasts too. I know we're jumping around a little bit, but I'll wait. I'll hold on to this for later.
Speaker 1:Hold on to that one. Yeah, that's a good one. I I want to go back to what happened after you graduated COC and then, what did you do in between?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I did four years at the college Did you love it. I loved it. Yeah, it's a dangerous place.
Speaker 3:Come again. What do you say more?
Speaker 2:I mean for me. Thank goodness I had to get good grades to be able to play on the field.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because I just don't see how you could go there and, you know, not have and just be having fun. Um, you know, that kept my looks like me straight. Yeah, um, plus my, you know, grandma and mom put good values into me as well, but, uh, but yeah, there's there's a lot of temptations, but I enjoyed my time. Um, you know, you know, maybe didn't have as much success on the field as a team that I would have liked, but, um, you know that's life ups and downs.
Speaker 2:So after I graduated, um, you know, I had a degree in finance. So finance, yeah, um, you know, didn't really know what I wanted to do. Um, I guess I went into college wanting to be an accountant. That was kind of a little bit too slow for me. So I, you know, they said finance was a little bit more forward thinking, so you. So, at the end of the day, I always wanted to figure out how I can make the most money. I had a small bank account and my mom always said I was a hoarder of money trying to figure out how I got all this money. It was only like $50.
Speaker 3:There's worse things, yes, worse things to be addicted to.
Speaker 2:But yes, graduated with a degree in finance and had to figure out what I wanted, what I needed to do, or else I was moving back home to Arizona with my parents, which is not a lot of people want to do that Nope.
Speaker 1:So Well, not after experiencing the low country going back to landlocked Arizona.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly so I love Arizona. But, yeah, charleston, once you get here it's hard to leave, as you all know. But from there got into a really good management training program through Enterprise Holdings, enterprise Rent-A-Car probably people know it as that and I was there for four and a half, five years, really built my business acumen marketing, b2b sales, b2c sales, how to talk to people, soft skills, how to manage people who are younger than me.
Speaker 3:You got all that at our price. Older than me, I heard they have a really good program there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, from there. You know I was just trying to figure out. You know what I wanted to do at the end and from there I actually, you know, followed a friend who had got another job at a cybersecurity company called Fish Labs at the time and they've been bought out. I think it's Fortra now. They were in Pacific Boxing Crate downtown and he gave me an opportunity.
Speaker 2:I came onto the inside sales team and I thought of it as a new opportunity to help grow my sales acumen in a different space. Because at Enterprise it's people coming into you, talking, trying to upsell them, or going to people and talking that way, but in cybersecurity and tech sales it's hundreds of phone calls, right, right, it's getting cursed out. It's being creative in your pitches and your emails that you draft and your elevator pitches. They need to be um, they need to be quick and they need to be sharp Um and you need to have a level of of knowledge um to be able to overcome objections and all these things. So you know I was there for two years. You know, had a lot of success. Early on, um started managing the inside sales team while still managing my own territory. Um, you know, but from time I was making good money, which I guess was always my initial goal yeah, winning.
Speaker 2:Had no family yet, no kids or anything, so enjoying myself. But from there, I was always trying to figure out how do I get back to sport? Soccer would be great, but how do I get back to sport? We're in a small town, still right, great, but how do I get back to sport? We're, we're in a small town, still right. Um, you know there isn't a big sports team, um, but you know, the battery was always in the back of my mind. They just come under new ownership in 2020.
Speaker 2:You know, fast forward to 2021, linkedin yeah, oh, that's great, we love charleston battery account executive opportunity opened up and you know I applied oh my gosh I applied and you know, I guess the rest is history well, that wasn't that long ago either, tanner yeah, no, this is uh year five for me oh wow, you've been doing a lot for within five years yeah, let's talk about it. That's a big breath.
Speaker 3:Let's talk about it exactly. I mean business.
Speaker 1:Exactly, I mean business development too. Like you said, we're a small town but we're a big town and there's lots of different places for people to sponsor or advertise or whatever. So kind of give us ideas of how you make Charleston Battery different for local businesses to be able to sponsor or participate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how much time.
Speaker 3:You got all the time in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's a great question and it's something that I think it's kind of always changing our strategy. I mean, depending on the organization, it could be a small business with less than 50 people, or it could be a medium-sized or regional business that's coming in. So it kind of just depends. But I think it all kind of goes back to our roots. So we are throwing some stats here we're the longest continuously run professional soccer club in the united states crazy.
Speaker 2:No, 1993, a little low, low country little low country charleston battery soccer wow I guess we're tied with the columbus crew and richmond kickers in virginia oh, so we're gonna have somebody to play against yeah right, um, but yeah, no. So I guess, kind of just going back to our roots, telling our story, um, you know, over those 32 plus years we've only had, I think, three owners. So that's, pretty pretty rare for professional sports, especially as kind of a startup sport which it was and still kind of is.
Speaker 2:So talking about. You know who we are as a, as a brand. You know our evolution. Uh, we, we do have fans that that date back to the nineties season, members that are 20 plus years with us. So it's telling you know the story of the brand of soccer. Telling them that, hey, or football, depending on where you're from, um, letting them, hey, we have different audiences that you have the ability to tap into. We've got people from, well, just kind of talking about Charleston, all the Tri-County area, we have fans coming down from Columbia, from Myrtle Beach, because we're the highest level of pro sports in the state.
Speaker 3:Highest level of pro sports in the state.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:We've got know, like you said, youth soccer is big. So when there's big games especially, we've got people traveling from all over, sure, and you know that is attractive for small, medium regional businesses that you know want to increase their reach, you know, and we're fairly affordable to partner with compared to maybe the Panthers or Atlanta United or the Atlanta Falcons. So it does take some convincing because soccer is still growing as a sport in the United States but with the World Cup coming next year, everyone really needs to have some type of soccer strategy as a business if you want to stay ahead of the game.
Speaker 2:Right, it's not just that. It's the World Cup 2026. It's the Olympics, it's the Women's World Cup 2031. Okay, and that's all in the United States.
Speaker 3:That's a great point, Tanner. It's a great point. So we need to have these businesses jump on board sooner than later, exactly.
Speaker 2:Or at least start strategizing for these. Yeah, or at least um consult with us to. You know, maybe it isn't us, maybe they want to grow in greenville and we can get them connected with the greenville triumph okay right or it's. You know, we've. We've, like I said, we've been doing it for a long time, especially our. We have a great president to cro, who are very knowledgeable and, um, can you know, selfishly, we're always going to want to bring in more sponsors for us, but it's a, you know, it's a team sport right so how do we help grow the league as well, which would in turn help us Right?
Speaker 3:Right. What you guys really exceed in other than soccer is the family environment at the game. Kathy, you should, you should just go. You should go just to enjoy the game. I'm sure mr clay might have a ticket for you or two um there's, there's, there's tranks to be had. Right, there's some wine, I think. Maybe I don't know, I don't specifically, I don't know what's on their menu. Okay, but they do have a really great family, like vibe. There kids are running around playing. They're not crazy, right? I know you see me with Kathy.
Speaker 1:He saw the look in my eyes going I don't want to go anywhere where kids are running around, but it's just a really fun environment.
Speaker 3:There's food trucks, so I know I hope Nick's German Kitchen is going to be there for another season, because he crushes the pretzel game over there with the German Kitchen. Anyhow. So there's a lot of great food trucks and then the the players really interact with the kids in a big way the kids get to go on the field beforehand. They get to, you know, line up and be on the field and high five the other players going out.
Speaker 1:You know, it's just a really, really cool experience, a lot of fun well, now we have to talk about having them come to my one of the town centers. Kids clubs yes, because we do have a kids club, oh yeah. Okay, for sure, let's make sure we're talking about that.
Speaker 2:Oh sure, that's a great idea, because you were just saying how family friendly it is. I love that.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about that too.
Speaker 2:We're the community's club. Without the community we don't exist. They're helping us drive the business forward and our players know that when they sign their contracts to be a part of our team, they know that community activation is a really big piece of building trust all over the community. So, yeah, we take pride, the players take pride in getting out, because we can't always just ask, ask, ask, ask. Right, we've got to, like, go and give people things. We've got to go to where they are. Yes, um, we've got to go to Somerville. We've got to go to Goose Creek, we've got to go to John's Island to meet kids at schools, daycares, clinics, soccer camps, baseball camps, um, you know, if we can be there, we'll, we'll try to figure it out. So it's a lot of times it's, you know, us trying to go out and connect with people. But you know, as we're growing our reach, people are reaching out to us and for opportunities, and you know they've got a long busy schedule, that's for sure, um, but if we can make it work, we will love it.
Speaker 3:That's amazing, kathy, did you have something teed up?
Speaker 1:I do. I want to talk about your community engagement because we can talk about I mean, I know it's a business podcast and we'll get back to the business but as part of doing business is being a part of the community, as you know getting involved. You've been involved. I don't even want to start listing some of the things that you've been doing, but I'm sure you understand the importance of being involved with the community and, of course, we've worked with you you at the Mouth Pleasant Chamber of Commerce. I understand that you've been in some organizations a mentor and things like that so tell us the importance of being involved in these kinds of community groups that, of course, I'm sure help your business as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, most definitely. I mean, I kind of think back to you know, day one when I first started with the club in 21 as account executive. Um, you know, I tried to build out my own kind of small business plan to, and I guess I guess one of the one of the main things that stuck with me in my interview process was like we're looking for someone to be the face of the club okay and I was like that's a, that's a big, big ass yeah, have you seen me?
Speaker 3:have you looked at me?
Speaker 2:challenge accepted right so you know, from day one I was like, all right, how do? What do I need to do to to make that happen? Right? So, and for me, the first thing was like people have to know who I am, yeah, so yeah, and then you know revenues and all those things are going to kind of come right. But it's at first. It's you've got to go into the community, you've got to build trust, you've got to volunteer, you've got to do things that maybe a lot of people don't want to do, but in the long run it's going to be better for your mental, for the people that you're serving.
Speaker 3:And you know I was able to get to the table here through connections and through through the work Through LinkedIn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, I guess kind of kind of continue on that path, yeah, like I've been. I guess one of the most thing I'm most proud of is being on the board of BMN tour.
Speaker 3:Yeah, talk about that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's. It's a local nonprofit. It's been around for at least a decade. I started as a mentor in 2021. And it's kind of a funny story. You know, I was. I'd always wanted to figure out. You know, how can I mentor someone? I've always wanted a little brother.
Speaker 3:I guess it kind of started out with that.
Speaker 2:But you know, once you're an adult or mid, you're not getting a little brother.
Speaker 1:So you got to figure something else out.
Speaker 2:Sorry, you're not getting a little brother, so you got to figure something else out. Um, sorry, mom, um, but yeah, I. So you know I jumped into this program and you know I had some reservations because you know, whenever you start something or at least for me I want to do it right. Um, you know I, I don't want to, you know, show up for this kid one time and then I get busy and make excuses and I'm not there. So made sure that you know, every, every single Friday, for an hour, I have time to be able to meet with my mentor. And it's crazy, fast forward three years. I've seen him graduate from elementary into middle. He's going to be going to high school soon. Wow, and it's just. It really humbles you because you know I didn't come from the most rich background, but a lot of these kids in this program not to go into too many details but they don't have a father figure, they don't have a stable household, they're not able to eat a lot of the times.
Speaker 1:Those are the things that make you rich, by the way.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:Love stability. That's what makes you rich.
Speaker 2:For sure. Stability, yeah, that's what makes you rich, for sure, yeah. And so, yeah, just being able to, you know, start there and got more involved. The people in the organization noticed me more and they're like he's always doing things and you know, I guess one of my proudest accomplishments to begin with was I was the match of the year. Oh, so it was like out of 200, 250 matches, they selected me and that was my first year and some of those people have been there for a decade, so it was, yeah, really humbling, you know, kind of doing the, you know, the video interview and kind of talking about it really brings you down to earth Like cause.
Speaker 2:You know I'm not doing it for recognition, I was just doing it to you know better myself and better the kid Like you learn so much about yourself when you, you know, put yourself in uncomfortable positions.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I just I do want to second something you said about when I first moved here. I got I'm again marketing director at town center and I was expected to go out and sell things and make money, and all this I didn't even know where I lived, right. So you take that time and I totally agree with what you're saying. Because I went out into the community, I said I'm going to join the chamber, I'm going to join this, I'm going to do this, I'm going to go to news things, I'm going to go to networking. And that's how I met people now professionally and personally. Some of my best friends I met going to a business meeting a few weeks after I got here you know, so I I second that um.
Speaker 2:Especially if you're new to the business, getting involved in the community um certainly helps in your professional career as well yeah, most definitely, and you know, no matter what organization you're in or as long as I'm in Charleston, like I have a great community to always lean back on when times get tough right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, I had so many things to talk about.
Speaker 1:You want to talk about the podcast.
Speaker 3:Now I want to talk about no. I know Tanner's not going to brag about himself. Um you got an award from the college of charleston. You got recognized for what was that?
Speaker 2:yeah, so in 2023, I was the young alumnus of the year that's pretty cool, oh you can clap amanda, we can clap here.
Speaker 1:Young alumnus that is insane. What is that it?
Speaker 2:really was um. So, yeah, it's just, you know it's. It was an award that you know.
Speaker 2:Again another award that he wasn't expecting, yeah no, I mean I would think it would be someone who's like on the cutting edge of cancer research or something right at the college or I don't know, building a school or something, but yeah, it was. I guess I mean, through my connections with the Alumni Association, I've always been a donator and I've helped them kind of create new ways to generate more revenue to help, because, again, that just stuff just goes back to scholarships for kids and, um, you know we've we hosted a alumni night at the battery and we're able to generate a lot of funds to go back into the college itself. Um, and then you know I was volunteering, you know, on campus when there's new freshmen move in day. You know I was there at a table and helping them, you know, answer questions or whatever they needed, and I've always done that for a number of years.
Speaker 2:You know there's more stuff, but yeah, it was just, it was recognized and you know I was up there with you know enough long young alumnus. And then, like the more you know, the business of the year, sure, and one of them was the mayor of a town in pennsylvania. He flew in and it was, um, yeah, mayor tecklenberg's, I want to say his son okay you know, won an award.
Speaker 2:So it was yeah, it was really humbling. Yeah, um, and again, just another way to meet more people and build my, my brand and tell more about the club right um that's obviously. But um, yeah, it was, it was really cool and, um, you know, just reinforces. You know what I do, what I why, why I do what I do right.
Speaker 1:So exactly now again, and I apologize if this is a silly question, but isn't that, isn't where you're playing new or recently developed? Yeah, so it's a good question so, uh, patriots point, I believe.
Speaker 2:Um, like the complex you know it's, it's not just soccer, it's baseball, softball, tennis, kind of a sports facility. I want to say that's been there since at least like 2009, 2010. But the Charleston Battery, when we moved from Danville Island and we had to find a new place to play, a new home, the College of Charleston was our final landing spot in the 2020 season, like the COVID year. So, but when you know, and it's full circle for me because I played there at the college and then now I'm working there and but it is night and day from what it looks like, what it looked like and what it looks like.
Speaker 1:So it was more of a redevelopment of the area.
Speaker 2:right, yeah, it was a 500 seat stadium and now it's over 5,000 seats with a beer garden and food truck area and private hospitality. Yeah, I'll show you guys some photos Parking.
Speaker 3:But yeah, and okay, parking, wah, wah.
Speaker 2:Leveraging, yeah, all our businesses surrounding us.
Speaker 3:That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I'm sure there'll be more development. It's all based off of the demand right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You know, the more people support, the more we can grow, and I think that's also one of the cool things about moving is, um, we're able to really ask the community, ask the, the fans, the season members what do they want to see? What do they like at the old stadium? What do they want to see at the new stadium? Um, I think one of the main things was in our supporter section, which is, you know, the, the rabid, the wild fans who are beating drones and singing songs on match right behind the goal yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Very European. Standing drink rails versus seats. Oh, okay, so they wanted I mean a lot of sports fans.
Speaker 3:They don't want to sit. They don't want to sit. I don't want to sit, no so, Kathy these guys, people of all ages, come with these giant drums and at the beginning of the match they have this ceremony type of thing out the front.
Speaker 1:This is every game, Every game ceremony type of thing out the front.
Speaker 2:This is every game, every game, okay, every home game.
Speaker 3:I don't know if they do it other way. I haven't been doing a weight game yet.
Speaker 2:The ones that they can drive to.
Speaker 3:The ones they can drive to. I mean, they've got such a fan base. What's the fan base called?
Speaker 2:again, so we have supporter groups, yes, and the one that you're specifically talking to about is called La Barra Charl, primarily a Hispanic supporter group, obviously a lot of Hispanics, latinos they were born into this game For sure.
Speaker 3:That's great, though it's helping us. I love that Supporter group that's what you call them.
Speaker 2:The official.
Speaker 1:Good to know, and they bang the drums the whole game, kathy.
Speaker 2:All game long singing songs.
Speaker 1:That's hysterical and keep the beat the whole game.
Speaker 2:It's impressive, yeah, they're-.
Speaker 1:All right, now I will Okay, now I'll go, now I'll go. They're all on some liquid courage, but you also mentioned wine. Yeah, liquid courage. So wine and drums, I think I'll be able to make it. She just mentioned that too. Just keep the kids away, all right, just put me someplace where there's no kids, we got Frosé. It's just what I do for a living. It is what I do for a living.
Speaker 3:I'll bring the kids. I'll block the kids from you.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 3:Okay, no problem, my boys love it there. One of them do, but whatever the other one comes and enjoys himself and he has the treats and all this stuff. Yeah, you don't have to be a soccer fan one thing you guys do in the community that's really near and dear to my heart and I won't bring, I don't have to say too much more about it, but it's sean jenkins. Um, you guys, actually today, today's what? June 20, what is it where? I mean?
Speaker 1:I'm 20, 12th thank you june 12th?
Speaker 3:what day is it? What time is it? Um, you guys are at uh musc designing um sean j, sean Jenkins, designing the new jerseys, or a new set of jerseys that the players are going to wear. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely so. A big thing in sport, especially in soccer, is themes or causes that we get behind. So one of the big ones that we get behind every year is our kick kick childhood cancer night. So not to get like you said, not to get into too many details.
Speaker 3:Don't start crying, don't make me cry.
Speaker 2:But we lost a member of our team, Rachel Edwards, last year and she was our community director and also worked in merchandise. But she was a cancer survivor and, you know, very young and she, you know, had an idea and, you know, really pushed it through and we were able to actually go to the MUSC Children's Hospital and get handprints of kids, you know, who are going through a really tough time, and put those handprints on our jersey who are going through a really tough time and put those handprints on our jersey. So our players wore that last year. Sadly, Rachel passed before that game happened, but her family was in attendance, they were honorary captain and it was a really special moment and we're excited to continue that tradition this year.
Speaker 3:Amazing that A that the idea was pushed through the idea and you guys are keeping it going as well. That's just crazy, crazy, cool. And you can buy the merch too. You can buy the merch when you get there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and a lot of those. I mean at least the player-worn jerseys. We'll sign them. Well, they'll sign them, not me.
Speaker 3:Right, not player worn jerseys. We'll sign them.
Speaker 2:Um well, they'll sign them. Not me, right? Not yet, buddy, not yet. And uh, we'll auction them off and then the proceeds will go back to musc, okay that's.
Speaker 3:That is absolutely incredible so what does the future look like for you, tanner?
Speaker 2:it's a million dollar question. I don't know what I want to do when I grow up either. Yeah, I mean for you in the club too, like yeah, um, I mean for for the club, um, it's a really exciting time, uh you guys are winning. We're a really good team for a couple seasons now, yeah, so I think we've lost five or six games in two years right, kathy, yeah, exactly so the team is is fantastic. We've hosted seven home playoff matches in the last two years. The max would be eight that you can host.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So we hosted a national final, lost in PKs, and yeah, it's been unlucky. This is hopefully our year to lift a trophy, if not two, nice. But yeah, as far as the, the projection of for the, for the club, um, you know I don't want to get into too many details, but you know the world cup's coming up. Um, the league we play in is called the usl championship. Um, the usl is like the bigger conglomerate and underneath us is another league called the usl league one, and there's going to be, hopefully, another league that's going to start in 2027 called the. This doesn't have a name yet. We'll call it the Super League, for example, tanner Clay League. There'll be promotion and relegation coming to the United States for the first time. It's a new concept for Americans, even though a lot of Americans are watching European sports soccer EPL.
Speaker 2:Man United or whatever Spain.
Speaker 1:Now they're making us go over there and play football games.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah.
Speaker 3:Making us go over there and play football games.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm serious because now there's like four or five in Europe.
Speaker 3:Now there used to be like the one game in.
Speaker 1:Europe, the National Football League game.
Speaker 3:She's talking about the regular football, the American football. Yes, regular football, sorry, regular football, american football. But now they sell out.
Speaker 1:They're smart, they sell out in 20 seconds.
Speaker 3:They've got a big fan base, the one in Japan too, and all over.
Speaker 1:And my friend's going to one in Ireland this year.
Speaker 2:I learned the other day that teams in the NFL and those other leagues they own the rights to countries so only that team can go to that country for.
Speaker 1:X amount of years. That makes pure sense to me.
Speaker 2:I don't know how that goes.
Speaker 1:I guess that's where they want to go.
Speaker 2:Who knows, I didn't mean to interrupt you there.
Speaker 3:Anyways, talk about the growth of football, soccer, of soccer here, not just in Charleston, but just normal. It's grown exponentially over the past five years, ten years even.
Speaker 2:For sure. Yeah, the game really in the United States has been, it's been a game since like the seventies. Um, you know, it wasn't always it wasn't televised, it was very much in small communities of immigrants really, um, and you know, over the years, you know we've, they've brought in, they've tried to bring in, like big name stars to these leagues and the money just wasn't there. The TV rides things that generate money, right, sponsorships. But fast forward to the 90s MLS was born, the USL was born and the marketing engine really was curated. So, fast forward to the 2000s. These leagues are trying to be become more mature. You know, they're nothing compared to european leagues that are in their hundreds, right, 200 years anniversaries. But, um, the kids these days I think it's growing as well because, you know, maybe me or my parents were born on like the madden, right, madden, yeah, ncaa football. Okay, now my, my kids are, and kids my age or they're in, they're playing fifa yeah, they played fifa that's how they got into the game.
Speaker 3:They were competing and think video games helped huh 100, 100, wow.
Speaker 2:Um, it's easy to pick it up. You can play on your phone, you can play on a PSP or whatever device you have. Yeah, that plus just pop culture.
Speaker 1:You know, it's really funny. You said that Because I'm a lot older than you.
Speaker 2:So much older I am.
Speaker 1:But I don't remember Playing soccer Growing up, like at school, like during like Gym class or anything. We did basketball, softball, I guess, flag football I. But we didn't play soccer. But every single one of my friend's children was on a soccer team so I see now yeah, exactly, it's a really cheap sport.
Speaker 2:I mean it should be cheap right, it's at the young ages.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, it's so cute to watch the little ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, it's physical no, you know you, it doesn't matter your size, right right, just throw them out there and go have fun yeah obviously, as you, as you grow, it becomes more advanced and you figure out if it's for you or not. But but yeah, I mean that's, that's why it's grown. I think so much around the world is again like I mean, you go to brazil, they're playing with balls of tape and two shoes right um, you can play a pickup game similar to basketball anywhere, as long as you got a hoop right well, I guess having a hoop is is hard because that's something you physically have to have right you can just throw up goals, but I know right
Speaker 2:but yeah, kind of going back to the growth, um, now that you know, at least in the usl, now that there aren't like mom and pop owners, it's real business men and women who are owning teams. A lot of the teams are, you know, owned by, say, like the san antonio spurs. They own the san antonio fc in san antonio. So you know, there's big time people like marshall lynch is part owner in oakland's team and there's, yeah, like djs and pop culture stars, actors, that are getting into these sports, especially like at the MLS level. I think of like Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 3:She's so smart she's the smartest woman.
Speaker 2:She's a part owner in Nashville, so I think they understand that. You know right now it's still pretty much in its infancy, but in 10 years you know where's the sport going to be and my investment's going to triple or quadruple.
Speaker 3:I'm seeing that. So, yeah, get in, get in now. So you must have been an awesome soccer player then, because the human you are is pretty awesome, right? So you must have put a lot of work into soccer.
Speaker 2:Everything.
Speaker 3:Did you yeah?
Speaker 2:I mean, you know I started playing. I guess I'd go back to a funny story. I was two, maybe two and a half, and my brother's five and a half years older than me, so I'd always played with him in the backyard and trying to catch up to him. I'm way taller than him now, but back then I was shorter than him to catch up to him.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm way taller than him now, but back then I was shorter than him. Um, but yeah, one of the funny stories my mom told me was that you know, he's taking him to his rec practice to try out and she's like all right, I'm tired of hearing you saying you want to play, so, like, let's go try to figure it out. And I think the youngest age was four okay but I was as tall as the four year olds, so um by the time I know wait, mama fib, the mama fib.
Speaker 1:No, they, they wanted me, but I was as tall as the four-year-olds, so, um, by the time I got there.
Speaker 2:No way, mama fib. No, they, they wanted me, but I was too young. They saw my birth certificate, like yeah, you can't, I like. Cried and weaved in. It was like maybe next year it was like your fourth birthday.
Speaker 1:Did you sign up?
Speaker 2:oh, absolutely yeah um, and that's actually when I moved to ph, when I was my fourth birthday.
Speaker 3:Sure.
Speaker 2:So that's when it all started.
Speaker 3:Was soccer big in Phoenix.
Speaker 2:Huge. Yeah, I mean it's got a huge Hispanic population. It's perfect weather. Hot but 360 days a year. You can play. Tons of space, tons of fields, a lot of competition. Obviously, it's the sixth, seventh biggest city metropolitan in the country, so melting pot, a lot of opportunities to compete, which is what you need at a young age to develop.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and good coaching. Do you feel that here in Mount Pleasant and Charleston Like there's a lot of I think there's a lot of challenges.
Speaker 2:Okay, first off, you know it's. Everything is just so separated as far as, like we're landlocked here, we're landlocked there there aren't enough fields for kids to play. Like you know, when I was coaching two years ago, you know you have six teams playing on practicing on one field, so you were coaching too.
Speaker 3:now, what team were you coaching?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this I guess this was probably when I was coaching at James Island Youth Soccer Club or Charleston United. I coached regionally for the Olympic Development Team for 2010s and 2012 age group. I've done that for a few seasons.
Speaker 1:Nice, I bet you're going to work for that too and you won't tell us Not yet, not yet, no.
Speaker 2:No, us, yeah, yeah, not yet. No, um, no, yeah, I don't really, I don't and I don't really do it for for accolades again, it's, it's. I want to see kids develop so that later on, in 10 years, they come back and say you helped me, like right, this is amazing right I can watch them on tv now right so yeah, I'm in and so obviously so I could learn, so I can help steer my son that way yeah, for sure that's a lot of a lot of people say that too on the show is they want to build the community, so their kids will stay in the community.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure, and they'll have those opportunities, these great opportunities that maybe we don't have here yet. Yeah, like the tech sector. Right Was one in soccer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think my experience is unique too. My wife is from Madrid, spain. Okay, is unique too. My wife is from madrid, spain, okay, so I met her at the college of charleston. So I've, you know, I've been traveling, just soccer growing up, traveled all over the country and other countries as well, and then now being with her and we have a couple kids now, two kids, two kids, yeah, my son. My son will be four tomorrow oh, happy birthday 13th. What's his name?
Speaker 3:uh, diego diego, that's a sweet name, oh, my god and then my daughter isabella.
Speaker 2:She just turned one oh so yeah, it's yeah, hands full for sure they got their cleats, yet um, I'm, I'm, I'm particular on their, on their feet. Um, because I didn't take care of my feet so I don't want to put, you know, too many small fitting shoes on them too early oh, that's a life hack I don't know about. Okay, yeah we could talk about it.
Speaker 2:That's another podcast, yeah, but yeah, I try to get them to play barefoot, or as much as possible, just so they can build an arch, because I have flat feet myself.
Speaker 3:Oh, probably terrible feet.
Speaker 1:That is a terrible feet. There's your one thing. You did not know that you know you needed to know.
Speaker 3:What that he has flat feet.
Speaker 1:No, how do you train your feet?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1:That's a good note right there. I never even would have thought of something like that.
Speaker 3:Train your feet, so it gets an arch.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And that's important.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't know if it's completely true Apparently, like we're not born with an arch in our foot.
Speaker 1:No, because the baby's feet are flat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, it's like, you have to build it, it's built.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're tiny little flat, they're a little flat, the muscles grow. Oh, that's hysterical, that's a good note there, tanner.
Speaker 3:Wow, yeah, you're right. Random note of the episode.
Speaker 1:See, tune in. You're going to learn something you didn't know about.
Speaker 3:Kathy if you don, you go ahead.
Speaker 2:Then I've got one more um we talk about podcasts we're on a podcast now I found some podcasts um that the charleston battery was on right.
Speaker 3:Their logo, y'all's logo, everything was there right. And I'm thinking, oh cool they, they do podcasts and like internally, like within the team no, this is all. What did you call me?
Speaker 2:to call them fan based supporters clubs supporters clubs yeah, well, supporters it it's like a. It's a supporter is a name for a soccer fan. Okay, supporter, it's almost like a next level fan. You know, not just like you come to a couple games a year. You're like Either a season member or you're coming to six, seven, eight games. Yeah, these dudes were these. Yeah, yeah, um, and we, we try to feed them. You know tidbits and you know things that you know can help them grow their, their podcasts.
Speaker 3:Sure, that's good, so you embrace it. Yeah, 100 a little scary at times having the brand be a part of you know, like there's people? Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean, but you want the people that own the brand, so for sure yeah, it's, it's a.
Speaker 2:You know, maybe marketing might slap my hand, but yeah, it's definitely a give and take. You know Cannon Crew is one of them that comes to mind yes, Cannon Crew.
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 2:Howlers is another one. Oh, I miss the.
Speaker 1:Howlers hey, listen, I'm in marketing. If they're only saying good things about my team, I'm good with it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, right. But what if they start saying bad things about your team?
Speaker 1:Well, Did they deserve it? What if they're representing your team?
Speaker 3:wrong? What if they're cussing on the podcast? You don't want them to cuss.
Speaker 1:Well, if it's a cussing podcast, then that's okay. You have to read the room.
Speaker 3:You're right.
Speaker 1:You're right.
Speaker 2:Well, I think it comes with the territory of sports. Maybe if we were a dental office podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Or a school or something, maybe Sports fans.
Speaker 1:I mean again, I'm a huge baseball fan, I've got my favorite team and I'm like a lunatic yeah Right, so I could. First of all, I could talk about them for hours straight. I watch every game on my phone since I'm not back home anymore, but I'm like rabid, like you. Don't get me even started about it, so I can understand.
Speaker 3:Don't start swearing on our podcast, kid.
Speaker 1:No, I won't. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:It's like freedom of speech. I can only imagine how many Mets podcasts there are. Imagine them trying to manage it Right.
Speaker 1:From.
Speaker 2:Asia and all places around the world. They need a whole compliance team.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's worth it.
Speaker 1:That solid fan base keeps you going. It's those people, like you said, that are at every game or following, and that is what keeps the team going 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, our players, they see it, they feel it. When we're at home we're better. Of course, I'm sure we're just better at home.
Speaker 3:Kind of like one more closing note too. Didn't you mention one time we had coffee one time? Didn't you mention that? Since we're a low country and it's such a beautiful place to live and the lifestyle, it's just ridiculous around here, right, we tend to get the better players to sign it yeah, no, you're not wrong, I I well.
Speaker 2:It all first starts with having the right people in the front office, um, primarily like your president or your gm and who is our president right now? Lee cohen, yeah, he's, uh, he's a legend. Um, he was in the league office for, or actually started as an intern, okay, at the usl league office. Um, I'll go really fast with this story.
Speaker 2:He, I think he started, thought he was going in as a baseball intern, um, because it was like a league office that was kind of combined for the mets no, no I think it was um minor league triple a or whatever, and um, I guess when he got there they said oh sorry, baseball's full, you're going to soccer. Okay, he's a baseball player in college. Um yeah, look at him now yeah, and so you know, moved up, became you know ops manager, moved up and then you know was like all right, I like, but I want to go to the team side. So he was the president of the Tampa Bay Rowdies. Oh, hey.
Speaker 2:Yep, one of our rivals, and took them to a lot of championships, won a couple and then had to go from poor old Tampa to Charleston two beautiful places bring his family over. So yeah, he's a strong. He knows everyone in the league, he knows players, he knows agents, he knows the landscape, he knows the travel demands.
Speaker 2:You know all these little nuances that not a lot of people would know or think about you know as they're building a roster and then we were able to bring in one of the best coaches in the country in my opinion, at least, top 35, if we're adding all the MLS teams in is Ben Pierman, so he's from Michigan.
Speaker 3:I like Michigan. I like the state, everybody's there. I love them. You know, and he's a builder. Did you say Michigan State? Oh, he's a brother of mine. Now.
Speaker 2:Look at that Cousin.
Speaker 3:What's up cuz? I'll meet you next time.
Speaker 2:Detroit City FC, who's in the USL Championship now that we play against all the time actually helped build that club from a minor league club and bring them up while he was in the summers, when he was coaching at Michigan State and then went to Memphis in the USL Championship coach of the year there and then we got him, locked him into a contract. Love that but yeah, kind of going back to yeah, charleston's beautiful, it's you know who wouldn't want to come here.
Speaker 2:But I think it's kind of a double-edged sword, because you you want people to come here and compete and to win.
Speaker 1:Right, it's not a retirement, not just to live on the ocean.
Speaker 3:It's a culture, it's a winning culture you're trying to have. Yeah, so it's like all right.
Speaker 2:Yes, you have all these beautiful things, good food, good people good lifestyle, but the expectation is still like. This is your job first and foremost, and they've done a fantastic job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, you're right, because you can have all the beauty and all the shiny things. But if you suck and the people suck, you know what I mean If it's not good people then you're going to have a losing culture. So it's all about treating the people well.
Speaker 2:It's all about getting into the culture and getting into your communities and treating your On that, like ben, the one thing he always says to the front office, to the players, to the fans, it's you know, he brings in guys that are high character, um and um, high attitude, yeah so that's good, I mean they, they have the right attitude and they're going to do things the right way in anything that they do. Um, I think that's kind of where you have to start exactly right.
Speaker 3:So high character, I'm a high character. How about that I? Know, you, I'm a high character all right, we have.
Speaker 1:We have some fun. Um rapid fired questions to answer to finish this up today, but um, what is your favorite local restaurant? I know it's hard, you don't have to pick one.
Speaker 3:But what is your favorite? Yeah, restaurant. I know it's hard. You don't have to pick one but, what is your favorite local restaurant?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Or where do you bring your out-of-town guests, like, where's that one? You have to bring them to, because they could be two different things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can I say a few?
Speaker 1:Yeah, go ahead. No, you only get one.
Speaker 2:I mean, I really like Jackrabbit Philly.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I haven't been to their new space since they moved, but I love that place.
Speaker 1:What would you get?
Speaker 2:there.
Speaker 1:Anything, everything, karangi, oh really.
Speaker 2:It's like their spicy chicken, I mean, it's like dim sum. So you just get a plate of everything and they kind of bring small portions out.
Speaker 3:Okay, ever been? I don't think I. No, I haven't.
Speaker 2:Oh, you've got to go good barbecue, but I really like King Barbecue. It's a new one in North Charleston as well.
Speaker 3:Oh, exactly, they're the same chef as Jack Rabbit. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, all right, you got it, okay. Well then, there you go. It's like.
Speaker 2:Asian fusion barbecue.
Speaker 3:Ooh.
Speaker 2:That does sound good. Yeah, but I mean, I like Mexican food as well.
Speaker 3:Senior tequila, and where was your wife from?
Speaker 2:She's from Madrid, Spain.
Speaker 3:Madrid, Spain. That's cool. That would have been a cool place to visit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, gosh, I would have said Barca, but they closed downtown. That was probably my number one.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, all right. So what is your go-to activity with your family and kids when you're trying to unwind Soc, your family and kids, when you're trying to unwind soccer, don't say soccer, anything other than soccer.
Speaker 2:That was my second one um, with my, with my family, um, I'd say, just going on walks um it's just I learned I mean, I learned that from my, my wife, but like, when we go to spain or we go anywhere, we're always walking everywhere it's just part of the norm, I feel, like everywhere else, but I mean it's tough because we're the land again, we're landlocked there, aren't really like those communities. Yeah, you're just walking onto the highway right, I know which is not great.
Speaker 2:Um, or your neighborhood doesn't have a sidewalk or a park, um, but yeah, that we could go on a tangent on that. But, um, yeah, I'd say, you know, going to the west ashley greenway, um, you know, going up to park circle, they have a nice, you know, walk walkability circle.
Speaker 3:I like park circle. Why people don't like park circle I?
Speaker 2:love park circle. I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 3:You can't get the ama to jump on park circle but anyways, that's I mean we're doing that. We're doing that anyhow, anyhow um no, this, this place, uh, is amazing, and and that's why we love Mount. Pleasant and Charleston and thank you for being a part of our community and doing all the things that you're doing. My plan was to get you in the microphone and to get people to love you right as it's easy to do, and then the battery will come next, right.
Speaker 3:So, if you don't like Tanner Clay clay, you got to leave mount pleasant right now, and if you do like get involved with the charleston battery, go to a game we've got one new fan over here we got.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go look at that and please tell everyone how they can get in touch with you, tanner yeah, most definitely so.
Speaker 2:um, you can, I'd say, probably start with our website, charleston batterycom. Um, again, I'm tanner clay. I'm the business development manager. My phone number, my email, is on there. Check out our schedule. We play about twice a month from March through October. It's a long, long season. Hopefully we play all the way through November too and host more playoff home games and, like I said, we're in a good position. We're tied for first in the league right now, 24 teams across the country. So we play in the Eastern Conference. We're going to Hartford this weekend. We got Phoenix Rising coming on the 21st, which is our next home game. Honestly, shoot me an email soon. I might even be able to send you some tickets.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And if you're a business looking to invest in some, for sure, yeah, I. And if you're a business looking to, you know, invest in some For sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if you're a local business, regional business, it doesn't matter how small you are or how big you are. Like I said at the top of the call, you need to think outside the box as far as, like, what is your strategy to find new customers to you know? Engage your current ones, keep your current ones Right. How to entertain your employees right. I know a lot of people are kind of going remote and this and that but again, you still need to not develop but pour into your people.
Speaker 2:Sure, and I think it's even a next level when you're able to do that with families not just the employees, so we're family friendly. Um you have like a?
Speaker 3:vip option, though, too. Isn't there like this one cool, like I don't know where you can watch the game, but you're inside something.
Speaker 1:This yeah, are there kids in there? No, no see, that's what I need.
Speaker 2:That's what I need right there so yeah, we have nine private hospitality spaces they, they fit between 15 up to 250 guests. You can privately rent them out. You can get a bartender in there. We can cater it out with all the local businesses.
Speaker 1:That sounds like a parquet. See, this is my point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don't. I think what's unique about our stadium, too, is we don't have our own in-house food. Food, you know not to bash, you know the big, you know amark and all these other companies that you know they do good, but it's a different vibe here it's a different vibe. Yeah, it's, it's the true local food, you know we bring in food trucks.
Speaker 2:We bring in businesses that maybe don't have food trucks, but they they set it up just because of us. So, um, yeah, it's fun, it's, it's vibrant, it's always different, it's always changing. Um, you'll meet somebody new, you'll build a relationship. You might find a new client.
Speaker 3:Hey, that's what it's all about. That's what it's all about, that's right.
Speaker 2:And, if not, you'll have a good time.
Speaker 1:Well, on behalf of everybody here, of course we hope you make it to the playoffs and win the playoffs, and we'll be cheering from all sides of Mount Pleasant for the battery this season Thank you. Thank you so much for spending your time with us today, Tanner. We learned a lot. I learned a lot about soccer. Learned a lot about feet, and I might actually go.
Speaker 3:You're going, we're going to go.
Speaker 1:Before we leave, we need to once again thank our sponsors, dk Design and Charleston Media Solutions, for their amazing support not only of the podcast but, of course, of the chamber in general.
Speaker 3:Matthew specifically, matthew specifically. What an engineer of the year there. Hi, matthew, thank you for everything today.
Speaker 1:Make sure to like and subscribe to all of our media channels. We will be in Spotify, itunes, youtube, instagram, facebook and LinkedIn. So thank you so much for being with us today. Until next time, mount Pleasant. Until next time, listeners.
