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Alien Resurrection (1997) Bad Medicine ft. Dr. Benjamin and Derek
Hop on the betty and travel with Dr. Benjamin and Deke Tha Gnome (Derrick) as they work through a puzzle: How can a movie starring Sigourney Weaver, Wynona Ryder, Ron Perlman and Michael Wincott with a $75 million dollar budget and Joss Whedon writing a story based on the Alien franchise fail? It can! Miserably! From candy-ass marines to Alien snot-monsters... Dr. Benjamin and Derrick sleuth out why this movie was such Bad Medicine!
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Thank you, hello, and welcome to MovieRx Bad Medicine, where good people talk about bad movies and ugly movie culture. I am the prescribing doctor, dr Benjamin, and today, joining me for our bash session, we have Derek. Welcome, derek, hello. So, as you can hear, I'm just getting over a little something here, so my voice sounds a little funny, but I feel good. I feel good because I'm trying something new, doing this bad medicine thing because sometimes you just want to talk a lot of shit about a bad movie and when I thought of that idea, the first thing I thought was Derek of stuck with me. Derek, is that one of the two things that I have known about you for a very very long time is that you really like music and you also really like alien movies Guilty on both fronts.
Speaker 2:So today I could have gone into into Alien 3, but I decided, let's just, let's just go balls to the wall on this one and we'll just go straight for Alien Resurrection. So how are you feeling about talking about this one? Um, I mean, okay, all right, one thing that is going to stay the same in these kind of episodes is going to be that I'm going to go ahead and run through the basic movie info. We got a 20th Century Fox production released in 1997, directed by Jean-Pierre Jeunet I hope I said that anywhere close to correct Stars Sigourney Weaver, winona Ryder and Dominique Pinon I don't know, he's French too. Looks like IMDb description. Today We've got, two centuries after her death, a powerful alien or human-alien hybrid clone of Ellen Ripley aids a crew of space pirates in stopping the aliens from reaching Earth.
Speaker 1:Accurate. That's one way to put it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I mean that's the whole movie. Roll credits, all right. So I feel like with this movie, um, uh, I mean there's there's some pretty interesting stats here with it. Um, how much do you know about what it made?
Speaker 1:uh, as far as, uh, as far as box office is concerned, um, yeah, uh, let's see here. I think so technically, uh, yeah, box office was 160 million. Uh, you know, roughly it was about 160 million in the box office, uh, which was double what its budget was.
Speaker 2:So just a little bit over it.
Speaker 1:Technically, it was a success, uh, as far as the box office was concerned. But things to consider, though when you do like, when you do the math on what like aliens was, or alien 3, or even the original, uh, their, their budgets, like the original alien, the budget was shit, right, uh, you know, is, uh, you know, their budget, like, adjusting for inflation, the budget would have only been about like 24 million give or take, but yet they raked in a shitload of money, so, like their ratio was bigger. As far as the success was concerned, uh, whereas you'd have thought, with like with resurrection, with the cast that you had behind it, the writers you had behind it and the amount of money that was just being hemorrhaged towards this, it should have been so much better 75 million dollars.
Speaker 2:75 million dollars in in 1997, like damn you could, you could, uh, that's.
Speaker 1:That's an astounding amount of money, um, especially for for a movie that that it's it's namesake movie cost one-third of that right, yeah, uh, and but yet in like in my research for this, continuously there were things being mentioned of like they were cutting corners on certain things because of budget issues. You have 75 million fucking dollars and you're gonna tell me you have budget issues right, yeah, talk about mismanagement of money.
Speaker 2:Oh, jesus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's like there's mismanagement all over the place. When you, when you look behind the scenes at, like, how this movie was created, there's just, there's mismanagement everywhere. Not to not to be one of those assholes, but I have heard people refer to this as the movie that was made by the Mad Frenchman. Because there are a lot of people that did not like this director.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, and despite what they feel about the director, this movie scared the shit out of him as far as Hollywood is concerned, because he doesn't have many credits at all in Hollywood. He's got almost none.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're all like French independent movies. This is pretty much like his only Hollywood movie to where he's just like no, I'm out. But funny enough though he has been known to like. I think he watched some anniversary cut of Resurrection at one point he's like no, actually. Actually I think it's a good movie.
Speaker 2:Anybody that has a problem with it can kiss my ass that that kind of brings to mind something, though, like okay, we'll, we'll talk about something that I hate first. Real quick, I hate ratings, and you'll notice that I don't ever give ratings to movies.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's a reason rating giving.
Speaker 2:Giving a numeric rating to, to a movie, I think cheapens the art yes I mean, you don't.
Speaker 2:You don't go to the mona lisa and push three out of five stars for realism. You know, at at the louvre, you know you get anywhere close to that fucker, you get tackled. Why? Because it's art. So I I hate the ratings, but for the sake of this movie, just so that we're all on the same page here, imdb gave this movie a 6.2 out of 10. Rotten uh, and the, what they call the audience score for rotten tomatoes, the, the popcorn meter is 39, which that's not rotten, that's yikes like. Oh my god, that's low and such a bad score with with some of those things.
Speaker 1:I mean I I completely agree with you that I'm not a huge fan of ratings, right? You know, when it's like siskel and ebert, they're like I'm gonna give it two thumbs down. It's like, yeah, fuck you, who gives a shit? And it's because a lot of times, like those types of ratings, uh, you know, when you're talking about film, it's it. You know not to sound snotty about it, but I mean it's very subjective, is what it is uh you know it's extremely subjective to where you know one one one guy's.
Speaker 1:You know shitty sci fi movie could be. You know fucking Space Odyssey, depending on who it is that you're talking to and what they're, you know how they look at it, right. On the other hand, when you look at things like Rotten Tomatoes Right, and you know when they've got you know the fucking audience score, that's not them giving a rating, that's not the site giving a rating. They're aggregating what the people are saying. And when you've got 39% of the audience, I mean, or when you've got the audience giving it a 39%, that is the people have spoken. That's not subjective at that point, that's data science. That's aggregated opinions of people going yeah, this movie fucking sucks.
Speaker 2:And it does, but like. The thing that really stops me, though, is that pan back. Okay, You're in 1997. You're Derek 1997. And you're sitting there watching television Beavis and Bayad and then on comes a uh, a trailer for alien resurrection. And you look at this trailer and you see that this movie has everything going for it. Joss whedon is a writer, you've got sigourney weaver returning, which automatically lends it all kinds of credence that validates the movie. Right, there is is sigourney weaver. And then you've got, you know, uh, then you've also got ron perlman, michael wincott, like I mean, you've, you've got every reason that this movie should be successful. And then you go to the movie theater and you see it. What, what the fuck went wrong right yep, exactly.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, like michael wincott, like that guy gives nothing but great performances and he was one of the first to die yeah, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know it's fucking top dollar, right, you know you've got. You've got fucking top dollar, michael wincott being michael wincott, right, you know he's got the. Uh, he's got the. The gravelly old, fucking southern drawl. You know my daddy whiskey voice, you know kind of?
Speaker 2:yeah, exactly, you know, and he's got that in space.
Speaker 2:You've got you know, you've got fucking space redneck, uh and and it still works, but yet, yeah, he's like the first fucker they kill off yeah, one of the things that kind of annoyed me was that the reason why that why that kind of bugged me was they made such a big deal out of it. They made such a big deal about him being killed and by that point in the movie I'm sitting there watching it and they're all freaking out and and the music is swelling and all of this other stuff Like I'm supposed to give a shit right.
Speaker 2:I don't give a fuck about any of these characters. The only person on the screen this entire movie that I give a shit about at all is ellen ripley, and it's not even really her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly yeah, and they like this. This was the beginning of a problem that, like future alien movies would wind up having. Uh, because they ran into the same fucking problem with avp. They ran into the same problem with avpr. Um, technically, you know, depending on what your opinions, they ran into the same thing with, like prometheus or, uh, you know, any of the other alien movies. Thankfully they fixed that with romulus, but, uh, they ran into the same fucking thing with, like the other alien movies is that you have this large cast of people and you give zero fucks about any of them right, yeah, like I mean, and that was kind of the whole thing like there was another movie that was very similar to that Rogue One.
Speaker 2:like everybody raved about how great Rogue One was, I didn't care, I had no reason to care about any of those characters. Like everybody raved about how great rogue one was, I I didn't care, I had no reason to care about any of those characters. And and to me that's that's part of what makes wanting wanting to watch a movie important is, is you've got to have some kind of a connection with those characters and and they, they did no development with any of these characters at all. Um, yeah, I mean, the only the only thing that was true was ron perlman acting like a fucking ape at the beginning.
Speaker 1:oh, that's about as good I mean like like ron perlman was ron perlman the whole fucking time. Like I mean he was, he was exactly who he is in, like everything you've ever seen him in, ever Like I mean Perlman's Perlman's performance was completely over the top and righteous and exactly as it should have been.
Speaker 2:Right, you know, I got to meet him, fuck you. Yeah, I got. I got to meet him at a, at a comic con. It's actually not as awesome as you'd think. Oh, really, he's kind of a. He's kind of a dick, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he just like he doesn't like to, he doesn't like to answer questions from fans and things like that. Like you know, most of them can at least pretend or whatever. But like you ask this guy, you know what's your guilty pleasure movie? And he's just like fuck you, get out of here. Like that's.
Speaker 2:That's wildly disappointing yeah, it sucks because I was. I was really excited to go talk to him, but no man, he wouldn't. He wouldn't tell me anything that sucks that you.
Speaker 2:You almost want, like charlie hunnam, to shoot him in the throat all over again yeah, one of the few things about this movie I really liked his his, uh, his booze cooler that that thermos he had. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the fact that it was also a gun was pretty fucking cool. I will give them that that was, that was creative and it was cool um yeah, there were.
Speaker 1:There were certain things, like I said man, there were so many things about this movie that should have been good. That was one of them. That was one of the things that, like, it had potential of being really fucking cool is when they did shit like that. We're like yeah, you've got, you know, you've got a canteen that can also shoot people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and well, I mean just just those little innovations of of uh, these are supposed to be space pirates. Yes, what are you going to expect from space pirates? Right, like and and. First off, let's just talk about how piss poor the military is on this goddamn installation that they're stopping. Oh my god, dude, jesus fucking christ the fact that they let them keep their jackets and shit on when they came into the ship was like come on now, like you're supposed to be military people. You're smarter than that, you know it.
Speaker 1:Just I don't know they're yeah, they made space marines fucking stupid right like in the other in, in in like aliens, the, the space marines were both smart and badass in, you know.
Speaker 2:But like 200 years later, the space marines turned into maybe dipshits I don't know, man, like I've got another guest that wants to do um, that wants to do aliens, right, so I watched aliens and it was about two months after jen watched aliens with me and she, I, I swear to god, she was about to leave the house because of how many times? Come on man, come on man. She just, oh, she got so sick of that I thought she was gonna leave, but no, it's game over, man, game over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, put her in charge I fucking, I fucking love that breakdown man when he fucking loses his shit like that.
Speaker 2:I fucking love that yeah, yeah, well and oh man, that's such a good movie and it's too bad. We're not talking about that one now, because now we have to get back to this thing. Um, this movie, this movie was set set up to be bad right from the beginning. Um, sigourney Weaver like I mean, if we're talking about acting right, sigourney Weaver went was fantastic. She's an alien veteran. She knows how to play a character in this universe. You know, uh, she didn't want to do it. Uh, as a matter of fact, she told them no numerous times and I think she was quoted as saying the only reason why she did it was because they sent her a truckload of money to do the film $11 million.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a truckload of money. She says so, $11 million, convinced her.
Speaker 1:I mean well, I mean that's one seventh of their budget, jesus, she also got a producer credit on there, also not to make her sound like a complete, you know, like yay money. But she also did get an opportunity to play Ripley a little bit differently because of the whole ambiguity as to whether or not she was a good guy or a bad guy. So it did eventually become a more interesting way to play Ripley, but yeah, it was the $11 million.
Speaker 2:God, her ability to portray that weird Ripley. Yeah, she did great with it. God, yeah, she did so good. Yeah, and if she could have been the only the only person that was left in this film, if they had gotten rid of the rest of the cast, then it would have been ultimately a better movie it could have been.
Speaker 1:It could have been, or you know, if they would have maybe like some better writing or uh, something in there, cause I mean, like the, the, the cast in this is fucking great. I mean you do have everybody. You know, you've got just about everybody that mattered in the nineties. Uh, you know, it was like a part of this movie at some point.
Speaker 1:Um, I mean, you haven't. I will say, though, you have an entire Ernie Weaver and Winona Ryder. You do pretty much have a have a cast built up of like nineties that fucking guy people like you know they're all just like supporting cast. Not a not a single one of them at that time was able to like hold a movie on their own. They were all like supporting people or they were part of like ensemble casts at that point. But they all did really fucking good at what they did.
Speaker 2:They just had some really shitty writing or some really shitty directing that they had to go through or yeah, I mean, well, there has to be a combination of things because, like I mean, I know, like I love how your notes here say that you know it proves you can't smack a home run every time. Joss Whedon, right, excellent writer. Oh yeah, the guy firefly. Let's just talk about firefly for a second and the kind of comment that show has.
Speaker 1:I have a comment to make about firefly here in a minute, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:Fucking holy shit, way better. Fucking holy shit, way better. Like dear god. Uh, in in all of the well, there's another movie that we're, that we're talking about doing a video, or that we're talking about doing an episode on, that also was written by joss whedon. All these really great things are joss whedon. And then you have alien resurrection on his you know docket and it's like dear god, man, what happened? Like did you? Did you just have a bad weekend? Or?
Speaker 1:you're right, yeah, you gotta, you, you gotta wonder, and I mean, and you you ask, you know, like they've, they've asked joss whedon in like uh, uh, fucking interviews and shit of like what he thinks about resurrection or you know, like, was it? Did it like go off the rails from his original screenplay or anything along those lines, like no, I mean it's, that is pretty much what I wrote. Just the way that they did it was shit. Is is essentially what he says, because, like john, you know, joss whedon doesn't like the movie, but he's like no, I mean it's, it stays pretty close to my screenplay, but the way that they actually accomplished it was pretty fucking piss poor.
Speaker 2:So like piss, poor execution on on that, on that front anyway, of course, I don't know. There are some, there are some things about the plot that I don't even really care for, which could, which could go back to writing. Yeah, they're like it's.
Speaker 1:It's a combination of things. You know where, like the, the director points to Joss Whedon, joss Whedon points at the director, somebody's going to point at the movie company, somebody's going to point at the fucking special effects. Really, what it comes down to is they're all guilty Every last fucking one of them is guilty for this movie being a shit show.
Speaker 2:Right, except Sigourney Weaver. I'm not going to let her take any.
Speaker 1:I'll give you that. I'll give you that, although she should have she should have just respected the Ripley trilogy and just stayed dead and been done.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, and I'm wondering if maybe she just thought that this would be like just kind of an offshoot, like legends type story or something like that, and then it wouldn't be a part of the regular lineup. But that's just not how alien movies work. You know, you gotta, you gotta add it all in um into the timeline as little as you'd like to, but um, but like winona rider's performance in this was just, it was just flat. There was, there, was, there was no dynamics in her character at all.
Speaker 1:No, well, and I'm you, know you, you could say that that's probably blamed on the fact that she's supposed to be a synthetic. Um, but um, no, I mean, like I, I think I even have the comment in here of, like, I don't think they even gave you know writer a like a script. I don't, I don't think they. They just told her to show up and be weird.
Speaker 2:You know, I don't, I don't think they even show up and be Winona Ryder yeah, well, because, like even she herself is like I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1:I don't give a shit what the script is. I'm absolutely doing this because then I can brag to my little brothers that I was in an alien movie because they were huge fans of the. Uh, they were huge fans of the franchise. So she's like fuck it, I'm in, I get a chance to be on screen with gurney weaver and I'm in an alien movie. I don't give a fuck what you had me do well and I could be a fucking.
Speaker 2:She was excited for it because I'll still be there. Yeah, she, she was excited for it, but it was. It was for all the wrong reasons. She didn't have a passion for, for this movie, um, and they gave her a part that, honestly, I don't think was really the kind of part that she deserved, that she can really thrive in. Um, look at everything else it is none of this time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like at that time she might not have been able to, you know, rise up to it, but I mean, when I'm a writer is a great fucking actress. She really is, but you just have to put her in the right role yeah, and this wasn't it like at all, especially at that time.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, oh god, I'm just I'm thinking through some of the other stuff here, okay, so something that. Oh, actually, I want to go back to something that you had mentioned that you were going to talk about. Uh, you said something about firefly so um.
Speaker 1:So what's what's funny is that at at certain cons or in other interviews, people have given Whedon shit. So this movie was written before Firefly was a thing, and people have given Joss Whedon a little bit of shit. At the similarities between the crew of the ship in in resurrection and the crew from firefly. You know the, the similarities between the two, some of the uh uh, some of the attitudes, some of the, the damn the man is, uh, you know just the, the wild, ape shit, fucking characters that you have. There is a lot of similarities between the two. Uh, firefly and uh, the. What the fuck was the name of the ship? The Dorothy, I think.
Speaker 2:The Betty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the what.
Speaker 2:The Betty.
Speaker 1:The Betty, the Betty, there we go.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you've got the crew of the Betty and then Firefly and you're like, wait a minute, a lot of similarities between these two and yeah, like he'll catch some shit and like he's even said himself he's like I didn't do it on purpose. But if I stop and if I look at these two like under a microscope, yeah, maybe yeah, well, and I mean it's, it's okay.
Speaker 2:I mean because as much, as as much as this movie sucked, I I don't think, I don't think it had anything to do with the concept Like the concept itself is perfect for an alien movie. You've got, you've got a ship docked with another ship and aliens get loose and people die, right, like that's, that's an alien movie, that's what it's supposed to be. But, uh, uh, but that same concept applied to a tv show, um, with with you know the, the cast that it has, oh my god, firefly is such an incredible show. Tell me, tell all my listeners, if you haven't watched firefly, give it a chance. It's, it's a, it's totally a space western tv show. There's only one season and that is the saddest damned thing on the planet. But go watch it.
Speaker 2:It's a good show, um, but I mean it, it's, it's obviously a successful concept. So I mean, I don't care whatever, use that, use that concept to make that tv show. Um, it just didn't, it just didn't work. For, for this, this crew making a movie, uh, let's see here, didn't credit hr geiger yeah, that was a fucking sin.
Speaker 1:Man like uh yeah, geiger, you know the other guy that create that helped create the xenomorph? Uh, yeah, they didn't. They didn't give him any credits, like he's not. He's not mentioned in the movie at all. He's not mentioned in the credits of the movie or anything along those lines. Like nothing and giger's actually like okay with the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they didn't like he wasn't mentioned at all. Uh, he's they. They don't have him in the credits of like based off the design of hr giger or anything like that, and he's like. I saw the movie. I thought it was cool. It would have been nice if they'd given me a fucking credit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no shit. Like, although I don't know, I don't know if he'd wanted, he wanted credit, though like I mean seriously like some of the ways that they moved in that movie like the one that comes to mind is dodging bullets on a ladder. Aliens don't move like that, fuck you. That's not.
Speaker 1:That's not how that works my, my biggest anger is the water scene. When you've got the cgi xenomorphs that are like, you know they're, they're fucking like dolphining their way through the other the fucking thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, that like the cgi ones is really, I think, when they, when they really started to kind of go away from it, like because I mean all the stuff in the beginning, like when, uh, oh, the guy who played piter, um, he was also the creepy puppet puppet master fucker in in an episode of criminal minds um, the doctor, that was like kissing, yep, I don't remember.
Speaker 1:I don't remember the actor's name yeah, no, that's, that's fucking. Uh, yeah, that's chucky. Um, oh, god damn it.
Speaker 2:Uh, uh, uh, brad, dorf yeah, another one that every performance he gives is a good one. I don't know why I never remember his name but um, but I mean I always have a hard time seeing anybody other than him as piter defries. Um, but he, he does like he does a really great job. But during that, during that whole interaction where he's like viewing all of the aliens while they're in their enclosures, like those were practical effects, so so. So I mean they, they looked like aliens, they felt like aliens and and and it worked.
Speaker 2:But then once you started getting into the cgi stuff, then it was like then you just lose it, it's all gone, and and I'm not a purist when it comes to that kind of shit like I'm all about, no, like jurassic park, fuck yeah, give me cgi dinosaurs all day long, like I'm fucking all about it. But for some reason they, when they went to cgi in this movie, they really lost a lot of the, a lot of the presence and and a lot of the the I I guess I don't know swagger that the aliens have yeah, yeah, well, they, they also.
Speaker 1:I mean it. It also it wasn't just that it was cgi, it was that it was bad cgi. Like it was. It was a really bad, really cheap cgi that you get out of like really shitty movies. Uh, you know, like I had a note in there that like this, this shares more in line with, like jason x with its, uh, its special effects, you know, with with like a really bad cgi that they've got in there like.
Speaker 1:It felt more like that, like something that you would see off of like a sci-fi channel movie of the week kind of a thing, not something that should have been a 75 million dollar movie that's not something that they do in alien, though.
Speaker 2:Like I mean, they don't really do any of those kind of I don't know promotional type videos or anything like that. Like I mean, they could. I don't know if you've ever, if you've ever, seen the? Uh, oh, I'm trying to remember what it was called. It was a halo thing made by ridley scott. Oh, interesting, it was like a six-part series, I think.
Speaker 1:I know of it. Um, I I don't think I've seen it myself, but I know that. I know that, like Christopher and the guys I was living with, they would have watched it, probably like 30 times and it's not even in the same universe.
Speaker 2:But it's like I mean he can totally do those like little offshoot projects, that like I think that if I think that if this were done, maybe if this were done by Ridley Scott himself, that might have been enough to make a difference for this movie.
Speaker 1:Maybe, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean, I don't know what else went wrong with this movie. I mean bad cgi. Yeah, the basketball scene was cool, I do. I do like how you have that down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and uh and like the. The story behind that is actually really cool, where, like uh, yeah she was, she was practicing up to like make sure that, like she could do the uh, the, you know, the, the shot, you know. For anybody that's never seen this uh, she like uh, sigourney weaver is like walking away from the basket and she takes a shot behind her, like a blind shot behind her, and actually makes it uh, like that's, that's actually really cool. Uh, because it was totally real. Like she, she made the goddamn shot.
Speaker 1:Like sigourney weaver herself made the fucking thing, um, it was so much of a shock that, like ron perlman actually almost like fucked up the shot because she makes the uh, she makes the basket. He's like no fucking way and but it was almost to the point where they couldn't edit it out. They were able to, uh. So then they like that whole thing is completely real, but uh, yeah, like you know, they just like that. That is actually really cool on how they they were able to pull that off.
Speaker 2:Um, so like yeah, because they were going to do somebody like dropping a basketball into it yeah, and sigourney weaver wasn't having it.
Speaker 1:She's like fuck you, I can make this and the director was like like, wasn't he?
Speaker 2:didn't he get to a point where he was just like okay, you've got one more shot something along that was the one she made it on, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Because, like, I know that some people had said that she got it on the first try, but I know, I know for a fact that that didn't happen. Like they, they did this for a long time, correct, with her shooting over and over and over and over again and like, but I'm pretty sure that it came down to one of those okay, this is the last time, and then we're having somebody drop the ball in yep, and and then she fucking made it yeah, she did the damn thing, and then ron perlman almost fucked it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love some of that inside stuff and that's more interesting than the goddamn movie.
Speaker 1:I, I, yeah, I mean, you know they're probably the biggest problem is, uh, you know where this thing went wrong is that you had so many, so many elements of potential that they just didn't follow up on. You know you have this, you up on. You know, you have this, you have this killer cast, you have a shitload of money that, uh, you know you could have done so much more with. You had actually somewhat of an interesting story. You've got like dan hadaya in, there is the, the general and all of these marines and shit, but yet like they're all wiped out in like five minutes and it's all like slapstick, dumb shit on how they die, like the grenade that falls into the fucking ship and kills everybody.
Speaker 1:Right Like that kind of just dumb shit. You know that is almost like dark comedy than you know being a, you know being an actual alien movie and like, ok, sure, you know, if you want to make it a dark comedy, fine, but do it on purpose.
Speaker 2:Right, well, you know, I know, make it actually funny I think that I think that was a big part of the reason why I felt like this movie. Like, like I had asked you earlier, did you notice that you enjoyed it more as a kid than you do as an adult? Yeah, now you can't stand it as a kid. There were, there were these saving graces and things like that.
Speaker 1:There might have been some forgivable sins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I figured out what it is. It's juvenile humor. They relied on juvenile humor character to the guy pulling the fucking brain out of the back of his head to, you know, saluting a. You know a drop shit before it, you know, blows up or whatever. You know this big tough guy asking ripley, you know. So, like I heard, you ran into these things before you know, and what did you do? I died, you know.
Speaker 1:Like I mean I'm not gonna lie, though. I actually kind of liked that line.
Speaker 2:That's a good line yeah, but like taking the big, tough guy, the enforcer, the jane of the ship, right and then and then making him like one of those worrywart little fuckers. That's like you know god, what did you do? You know, like I don't know it was. There was a lot of inconsistency in that character alone, but but yeah, like I mean the humor in it was just very, was just very.
Speaker 1:I can give you that to a certain degree. Like I mean I'm all for juvenile humor and I mean Firefly had plenty of it as well, but there was, yeah, but I think you know, but like weren't funny enough to balance out what was supposed to be like the, the action, sci-fi horror kind of uh kind of a thing, and the sci-fi horror side wasn't good enough to balance out the, the funny slapstick kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:so what you get is kind of like a shitty lethal weapon in space yeah, yeah, that's, that's accurate you know, and you've got these, uh, you've got these setups, uh, you know you've got these, uh, these certain setups that were, like, you know you, you can kind of see them coming from a mile away. You know, like the, uh, the engineer that they find, right, uh, you know the, the engineer that they find, and they know that he's infected and they take him onto the ship anyway, which you're. Just, you're sitting there the whole time going, wait a minute there. No, that, that fucker's got a xenomorph in him. Like, why are you, why are you taking him onto the ship? Why are you taking him onto the betty? That guy's fucked, like he's got something in him. You know at any point he's going to uh, you know he's going to have a chest burster pop out. Why, why are you doing this?
Speaker 1:right this is this is dumb. And then it winds up being like uh, you know you, you familiar with, uh, with checkoff's gun, you know the, the concept of checkoff's gun yes okay.
Speaker 1:So, uh, you know this. Yeah, like I call this like checkoff's xenomorph, you know, or checkoff's chestburster, to where you see the engineer, you know he's fucked. You know that that chestburster is going to happen, right. So you know that that's going to be something that is going to come up later on in the plot later, and then when it does and it comes up as like the way to kill the other, you know the company man, right, you know where, like the chestburster pops through his fucking head, right, and you know like that's the worst use of Chekhov's gun I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Like that was fucking stupid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can definitely go along with that.
Speaker 1:Like so much build-up, you introduced this new character that, again, nobody gave a shit about that. They've got to carry through both of the ships. They take him onto the Betty Even though you, as the audience member, are screaming the entire time. This is stupid. It's a bad idea. You're going to wind up with a chestburster on your fucking ship and then they use it as a way to kill this. Like you know, subplot bad guy that you don't give a shit about either. It was just. It was so dumb, so dumb the I will.
Speaker 2:I will say, though, that that one of the notes that I had that I had taken down was that, uh, of all of the people in this movie, that guy, that nameless dude, had about the most emotional performance of anybody in this entire movie, just in that one scene where they're talking about him.
Speaker 2:With him there, but he's like what's inside of me, what's inside of me? And nobody's fucking answering him, what the fuck is inside of me, what's inside of me, and nobody's fucking answering him. And like that's the only time that you can really relate somebody, yeah, and you're like would somebody please fucking answer the man you know? And then what's that fucking side bay? And then you're like no shit, like answer him. So I mean, that's that's the only time in that movie that somebody was able to portray something that I was like, that I could really empathize with, and and I didn't notice that until this last time that I watched it was god, I don't. I don't empathize with anybody at all in this entire movie ever, except for that one point yeah, yeah and and that's that's so that guy should have gotten an award.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:Because he was able to portray a character with some feeling in a movie that had no feeling at all.
Speaker 1:No, none, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've got just so many, so many things in my, in my notes here of, like you know, yeah, so and so deserved better, so and so deserved better, and so deserved better, so and so deserved better. Uh, brad dorff's character just fucking die already. Jesus christ man, yeah uh, just so many things.
Speaker 2:I do have to say how cool it was, how cool it was to watch this movie and then, like I mean, I didn't care anything about it when I was watching it the first time, you know, back in 97. But since watching breaking bad, seeing tuco salamanca as a marine was fucking badass like you know, like you got an alien inside you, yeah, like fucking raymond cruz man.
Speaker 1:I love that fucking guy that guy, that guy will always be. He will always be chewy to me.
Speaker 2:He will always be chewy from fucking blood in, blood out he will always be that fucking guy that's why I have it in my notes space cholo that's a movie I have not seen in a long time. God, I'm gonna have to watch that again.
Speaker 1:I watch that movie like once a year.
Speaker 2:I love that fucking movie it takes you like a week and a half to get through and you will.
Speaker 1:You will start to talk like you're from certain, like neighborhoods of grand Island, but uh, you know, but that movie is amazing. I love that fucking movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's. That's a good movie. I'm going to have to. I'm going to have to. I'm gonna have to watch that again. It's been years since I've seen it. Um, let's see here underwater scene facehugger jumping on ripley.
Speaker 1:Okay let's let's talk about that stupid fucking water scene there for a second. Okay, yeah, so we talked about, we talked about some fucking like misdirection or, uh, mismanagement. Right, we talked about bad, bad management throughout this whole movie. That that water scene. That water seems like what? Five minutes maybe. Uh, you know, throughout the whole movie, you know it's like maybe five minutes and you wind up losing a uh, you, you lose a character in that. You know, kim flowers and kim flowers deserved so much better than that, because, I mean, her death is like an off-screen death. You see no blood, you see nothing. Uh, you know she, she dies in the water by a cgi xeno, right, you know?
Speaker 2:just total, total bullshit um, and not even, not even like the respect of getting to like of getting the inner mouth kill like it simply grabbed her fucking leg and drowned her, correct?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, like you, you have. You have no idea how she actually died or how she was actually killed, none of that. Uh, you know just like, yeah, like I said, practically an off-screen death, uh, that whole scene underwater and everything three weeks took them three weeks to three weeks to shoot that nonsense it like film 90 feet of swimming right and it's practically a transitional scene like other than, uh, the death of that one character.
Speaker 1:It does nothing to to push the you know, to push the story forward. It does nothing for the plot, it does fuck all when it comes to the actual movie. Overall it's a transition. They're swimming from one section of the ship to another section of the ship. Somebody fucking dies in there somewhere. That's it, that's all. It fucking is right. But it took them three weeks to film that. Like, if they would have taken those three weeks and if they would have put that towards something that actually mattered in the fucking movie, then it might have been a better movie like that might have made it so much better.
Speaker 1:The uh, the water was too clear, so they had to add milk yes, yeah, they had to, yeah, they had to make the the water shittier yeah, because they?
Speaker 2:because it just looked like people floating like not even in water. It just looked like people floating like not even in water. It just looked like people floating so they had to add milk so that you could see that it was water. I mean, could you imagine in California pumping that water, what that would cost?
Speaker 1:Oh, my God I don't know about in 97,.
Speaker 2:But today that'd be outrageous. Yeah, right, that'd be outrageous. Yeah, like, right. So like spending all of that money and all of that time on 90 feet worth of transition, right, just it. Uh, such a waste, such a waste.
Speaker 1:It was a complete, total fucking waste. Yeah, absolutely, uh. And then uh, yeah, you've got the the, you know the faceugger that hits Ripley. After that it's like, yeah, completely fucking redundant. It's like she's already infected and she's already like half xenomorph. Why, why, the fuck. And on top of that and they've hinted in other movies that the facehuggers are smart enough to know who would be an ideal host, so you'd think they should be able to tell through, like pheromones or whatever it is that they use.
Speaker 1:They already know that ripley's one of them, so why am I gonna? You know, as graphic as this might sound, you know why am I gonna waste my seed quote unquote on you know somebody that's already infected, right? You know that, like that's stupid, the well, I mean.
Speaker 2:And on top of that, every other, every other form of alien can see that it's, that it's Ellen Ripley. And they leave her alone, right, like they don't go after her. So why is it that the facehuggers aren't you know, they're not smart enough to figure that out Like the queen, the queen's like oh hey, that's Ellen Ripley, that's ma, you know, like the, the, the, all the rest of the aliens are like oh, that's grandma. The face huggers just don't fucking get it. Why? Like, why are they? Why are they so excluded? Yeah, uh, and then.
Speaker 1:And then I do like your next one, the, the spitting xenomorph just like when when that happened where it just it stops, and just like on the other, the fucking guy. I'm like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2:yes, alien edition you know, now I can officially put that into my, into my hashtags for this episode it's like what the like.
Speaker 1:They just turned this guy into newman. Like what the hell man like the. Yeah, this fucking jurassic park in space. Kiss my ass like what the fuck, yeah, and then it was and then, apparently, that was enough to like kill the, the, the black dude, the guy that I, the guy that I refer to as low rent, lawrence Mason.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know, that was enough to have apparently killed that guy.
Speaker 1:Like what the what the hell Like? That's painfully stupid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you shot him in the in the face with some acid and then suddenly he's depressed and wants to kill himself. Right, because that's because he gave up. Yeah, yeah he did?
Speaker 1:yeah, because it was like it was stuck on his big toe and instead of like moving his foot to shake the fucker off, he like loot, you know. He undoes his belt and like falls to his death like. Like what.
Speaker 2:Or just kick off your fucking boot, Like whatever. I mean it didn't look like it was that connected, but I mean if it's not coming off your boot, then kick off the fucking boot, Right yeah, and I mean maybe we're missing something of like where the acid spray was, but I mean it didn't look like he got hit that bad.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, like Hicks and aliens got hit harder than that and that guy lived all the way to the end of the fucking movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I uh, my, my whole thing was just when. When that happened, even even being like what was it? I was, I think I was 13, uh, 14, I think when it came out, I was like, I was like, where did that come from? Yeah, aliens have never done that shit, but oh, of course they had to go and do it. I like I'm one of those nerds that like I.
Speaker 1:I read the comics, I read the novels and like that's no, that's not a thing. They They've never mentioned. You know a weaponized spitting mechanism from any of the fucking xenomorphs like that? No, not a not a thing that's ever been done before.
Speaker 1:Yep, and then from that, from that whole water scene and in the latter scene and all of that, yeah, writers reveal as a synthetic I mean, like I I know that in in the alien universe, I know that they're, they don't have a very high like opinion of the of the synthetics, but at the same time, I mean just the, the level of unnecessary cruelty that they had to where, like there was, you know, here was this chick where you know like, uh, like, ron perlman's characters made all sorts of like, uh, uh, lewd advances towards her and things like that during the entire movie and then, like the moment that they find out that she's a synthetic, he like flips his head of going oh my god, and I almost fucked you. You know, like things like that or they, they.
Speaker 1:You know they refer to her as like a, like a toaster. Uh, you know, they just immediately just the level of disrespect that they have and I mean I I get it, they don't have a high opinion of synthetics, but that was like holy shit kind of levels and it was so fucking immediate to where it was almost uncomfortable yeah, well, I mean it, it, it, I think.
Speaker 2:I think part of the reason why it feels so uncomfortable is because that's something that we run into in real life, not with synthetic humans, um, but with various different groups of people in general I get what you mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it't feel very like jim crow ish yeah, like just that it was such a big deal. Like, even even if synthetics are just the most horrible thing, because you know ellen ripley had nothing but problems with them or whatever although bishop was awesome, um, right, it's like you know, even if all synthetics are just not effective or whatever, like, do they really deserve that much venom?
Speaker 1:maybe sooner, uh, and then it would have been like a subplot that they could have worked through. Uh, almost like what they did with bishop, right? Uh, they, they introduced bishop in the very beginning as a synthetic and ripley had the fuck you attitude and then he was able to like prove himself towards the end of the movie that like no bishop was actually pretty straight up, like you know he was. He was actually okay, like if they'd done something like that, to where you would have been able to actually like have time to work out that subplot okay, maybe, but the way that they did that and everybody else was like ew, fuck this and, you know, fuck this person. Uh, it was just like no, you don't have enough time to like work that out and you don't have enough time for like any of those characters to um, like better themselves or you know, or anything along those lines. Like it's like five minutes later, credits are rolling and uh, you know, and like renona rider's still on that ship going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these guys are a bunch of fucking bigots yeah, yeah and and I mean it it just, it just felt icky. Yeah, it just, it just left. Left you feeling like like I don't know dirty yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you didn't need it.
Speaker 2:The rest of the movie.
Speaker 1:I mean they just they have just continued things of like stuff that was a lot of build up that just didn't have much of the much the payoff. You know, like when we, when we finally get to like the queen Right, when, when Ripley drops in and she's there with the queen and she has her big moment. They've been talking the whole fucking movie about the queen, the queen, the queen, the queen, the queen, and like even even brad durif has like exposition that he's got to like explain what the hell's going on between the queen and the human hybrid and all this, all this bullshit, uh, that they're talking about, because they, they, they do such a piss poor job of being able to illustrate visually what the hell is going on.
Speaker 1:they need brad doran to like narrate what the hell is actually going on um, and that's that's where I had the, the attitude of like just fucking die already, we, we've, we've thought you were dead the entire time. Just fucking die already, uh, but like right you have the queen for 30 seconds and then the you know the hybrid kills the queen like just very unceremonious, not monster, yeah right, yeah, exactly the damn thing looks like something that you pull out of your nose when you've got, when you've got, a sinus infection oh it's terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, like, the fucking thing was just stupid it looked like Pizza the Hut with a bad hair day. Oh my God, oh no, it looked worse than Pizza the Hut. At least Pizza the Hut had like some structure to them. This thing looked like it shouldn't have even like survived to see full term.
Speaker 2:Well, did you know that that thing was had genitals on it, both male?
Speaker 1:and female genitals originally they had to digitally take them out yeah and even the uh yeah, because, like the director was like yeah, even as a french guy, this is a bit extreme for me right, yeah, no, that's the the actually that's not bb, that's not me being an asshole. That's a direct quote from the director where he's like even as a french guy, this is a bit too extreme for me right as well, I mean in watching this movie.
Speaker 2:This is the part that I get to, that anytime I watch this movie I consider shutting it off because the look of the look of the snot monster literally makes me physically ill.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah. It's just it's so bad, so fucking bad they did a better they did a better job with the human hybrid in Romulus and that was. Even that was still shitty in my opinion, but it, like Romulus, was better than the yeah, the snot monster, as, as you put it for the other, the hybrid in resurrection. It's just so bad, so terrible.
Speaker 1:So bad, and then and that's another one, though, where, again, there's very little payoff. You know they introduced this, this fucking alien human hybrid. You know they introduced this, this fucking alien human hybrid, and you're like, oh my God, you know this is going to be. You know, big ass, big ass, foe, big ass, baddie for, like you know Ripley, to have to fight against, and no, how does he die?
Speaker 1:Hole in a window, Yep, like hole in the window gets sucked out into space, you know, a little, a little bit at a time he gets leaked out through a fucking hole in the window. That's it. Like he's. He's barely you know, there's barely any actual screen time. Uh, he's, uh, he's there long enough to kill off the space cholo and then die from a die through a hole in the window. That's, that's it. That's that's all they fucking used it for. Uh, well, I guess he did kill brad dora.
Speaker 2:Finally yeah, he did. Yeah, he did finally put him out of his misery.
Speaker 1:Yeah, finally finally kill him off, uh, but otherwise no, uh, just very, very little payoff yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was almost like getting sucked through the window was almost like a euphemism for for the alien franchise. Yeah, like, Like I mean it just like there's no coming back from this, Like there's no way that there's going to be another decent Alien movie after this, Thankfully, I think that that's. I think that I feel that some of the newer ones are pretty, pretty good movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think I think where they finally, where they finally got it was they got the fuck away from the Ellen Ripley story. They were able to realize that the alien universe is so much more than just Sigourney Weaver. And originally this was not supposed to be a fucking Sigourney Weaver story. This was not supposed to be a Ripley story. When Joss Whedon originally wrote this, it was supposed to be a clone of Newt. It was supposed to be Newt. That was the clone and the main character and going off of her story, not another goddamn Ellen Ripley story.
Speaker 1:Because they figured no, we have closure there, like she died in Alien 3. We have closure on that one. We have the Ripley trilogy. We can leave that the fuck alone. She's dead. The uh, we have the ripley trilogy. We can leave that the fuck alone. She's dead. So we'll bring in newt and we'll we'll do a new story and it'll be completely fresh. And of course, the movie company, being the fucking movie studio, was like no, no, no, we need somebody to anchor this and we need a big star to be able to anchor this, and so we'll just give her a ridiculous fucking amount of money to anchor this goddamn fucking flaming dumpster.
Speaker 2:Uh, and so they, and so they brought in, they brought in ripley and they they made joss whedon like completely rewrite the story to fit for ripley so, like I mean, and that's that's kind of fucked up, though, like, when you think about it, you got like one of the one of the saving graces for this movie is is is sigourney weaver like one of the things that makes this movie is? Is sigourney weaver, like one of the things that makes this movie great is sigourney weaver. But it could have been better if they'd have left her the fuck out of it potentially, yeah, you know, yeah it it would have had the.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know, it could have had potential to have been better without her in it. Uh, maybe, you know, or it could have just been a shit show that just didn't have, uh, that just didn't have sigourney weaver attached to it, but at least it would have been a risk or it would have been a different story. It would have been the possibility of a different story. Uh, because for anybody that's paid attention to the alien franchise outside of the movies, ellen ripley's story is just one, just one fucking story of, like, so many different things that are interwoven actually a very small one.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, a very small story. Um, I mean the comic books, jesus, there's oh yeah, there's so many different novels, man are just huge yeah uh, I didn't really get into the novels much, but, um, of course I mean anything, anything that really kind of uh tied these in with the yocha, the yocha hunters, yep, the predators, yeah, anything that tied them together. I I was all about, like, especially the comic books, but yeah, uh, in the video games, fuck yeah the avp series.
Speaker 1:The avp book series is fucking great. The avp movie series is fucking dog shit uh, but the awful oh, never make me watch those never, make, I will, I will tell you to go to hell. Uh, if you, if you try to put me in for an episode on that one. I'll tell you to go fuck yourself, Because.
Speaker 2:I can't do it. I cannot fucking do it All right, oh, so bad.
Speaker 1:So, if I remember correctly, X-Men 3, the original X-Men trilogy and the third one that was a god-awful dog shit. If I remember correctly, I think you were one of the nerds, along with the rest of us, that was in the parking lot for like two and a half hours after that movie bitching about the fucking movie. When Alien vs Predator, when the first AVP came out, it was me, Chris, and probably, you know, a half a dozen other nerds once again out in a parking lot bitching about that fucking movie and its inaccuracies.
Speaker 1:for like two and a half hours after the goddamn movie. So fucking horrible.
Speaker 2:Might have, might have been me. Uh, you know, doug Doug, right, uh, he was a cook. Uh, yeah, he's, um, he's redhead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, doug McHugh, yeah, he, um, he and I are both he, we we're both pretty big. Uh, uh, predator fans. Um, I'm, I'm definitely more on the predator side than the alien side, uh, as far as knowledge goes. But like he was talking about wanting to write a book in the in the yocha language, I was like, okay, I gotta back out of this project. Like, yeah, I'm not that knowledgeable man. But, yeah, no, the man there just used to be such a following for these kind of movies and um, like in I don't know, I guess, I guess, with the, with the new, like, uh, with covenant and and um romulus and all of those, I feel like that it's kind of kind of going to a new audience.
Speaker 1:um, it is, but I do like that they're getting away from Ripley. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Getting away from the Ripley story getting away from. Yeah, now, I haven't. I haven't seen Romulus yet, so I don't know anything about you, know the about the synthetic in it or anything? If it's, what's his bucket? Who's the guy? Who's been?
Speaker 1:fast fastbender. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, he's yeah, michael fastbender is not in it, he's not in romulus, okay yeah, okay, because he was.
Speaker 2:He was in both rom, or he was in both covenant and prometheus the other one, right prometheus, right, yep, he was in both of those. Okay, I'm having a hard time remembering, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because now I'm getting mixed up with the stupid Predator movies that they made that were also off-planet, like oh man, I am so mad about some of those. No, I'm going to request that we do a a predator movie, whether it's alien versus predator or one of the damn predator movies, but uh, we got to do one. That it's bad, because I need some time to gripe about that shit oh yeah, I I don't think I'll do avp.
Speaker 1:Uh yeah, I don't think I'll do either of the avp movies, but I could probably do one of the later predator movies. I could probably get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I could probably give you of the later Predator movies, I could probably give you. Yeah, yeah, I could probably give you, like Predators, the one where they've got the super Pred.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or I could give you, like the Predator, the one that came out in like what 2018 that Shane Black did?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, okay yeah, I remember that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that one I can probably give you that one, because I mean.
Speaker 2:Have you seen Prey? I have, I have. I liked Prey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, prey was fucking great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really want more. Yes, we're going to get more.
Speaker 1:Yes Are we yeah, yeah, yeah that guy's working on a sequel right now.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that's such a good movie. Yeah, yeah, I really liked. I really like it was actually really really good.
Speaker 1:Prey was like felt like. It felt like a predator movie yes, I would put prey right up there with like romulus, to where it's like saving the franchise, you know, kind of a thing okay.
Speaker 2:So what you're saying is is that I might be able to convince you to come on for a regular episode about prey.
Speaker 1:Yeah no, that one, that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're good there okay, um, so yeah, no, this movie. I guess really the the one thing that I want to end with this on is can you identify anything that could have saved this movie? Is there anything that could have saved this movie? Is there anything that could have actually made this a good movie?
Speaker 1:Not making it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, I'll go along with it, leaving it the fuck alone. Yep, the roll credits. That's awesome. Yeah, no, that's really. Yeah, no, that's uh, that's really really uh. All I've got I'll.
Speaker 1:I'll put it like this right when they, when they crash the ship, when they crash the ship into the earth and, uh, you know, you think about, like the millions of people that they potentially killed when they crashed the ship into the earth, the collateral damage that was done there, and you're like you know, I wonder how many millions of people they killed when they crashed the ship into the earth, the collateral damage that was done there, and you're, like you know, I wonder how many millions of people they killed when they crashed the ship into the earth and why the fuck couldn't I have been one of those people, instead of having to sit through this dog shit movie oh god this movie so bad and I I've watched it three times in two months oh god, dude no.
Speaker 2:I've seen it twice in 20 years and it's still too much yeah, oh god, yeah, it's so bad. The nice thing is, though, is that I don't have to worry about reading or watching it again for a long time. So, now that I've done an episode on it, so yeah, thanks for coming on. Do you got anything you want to plug now that I've done an episode on it? So yeah, thanks for coming on. Do you have?
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Speaker 2:Uh, at the moment I have to.
Speaker 1:I have to keep my mouth shut on it, but uh yeah, uh there. There may or may not be something else that I've got coming up.
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