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The Super-Mega Movie RX Season One Review
Yes, I know this comes as a surprise, but Season One is in the books for Movie RX and the podcast will continue in January. Until then, when you're lonely and need something to listen to, you can supplement with The Super-Mega Movie RX Season One Review.
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Hello and welcome to MovieRx, where I prescribe entertainment, one movie at a time, except today. Okay, um, can I get some heartfelt music for the announcements? Not quite like that. Maybe a little happier. Okay, today I have some announcements to make for MovieRx. First, this is the last time I'm going to publish this year why, you may ask.
Speaker 2:Well, let me tell you the story of starting MovieRx. As you may have heard not like I've mentioned it a few times, but I've been trying to start a podcast for over a decade and with the help of a friend actually the very first guest on my podcast Chef he said okay, we're going to start recording something next Sunday and you're going to get something published. I said okay, and since then I have pretty much been flying by the seat of my pants for the last 30, some episodes and I need to take a moment to regroup. Now why am I doing this in November and December? First, producer Jen and I are getting married, so I'm going to take some time off for that. Second, listenership falls off. You know, I've talked to some other podcasters and things like that. I mean it's understandable during the holiday months that people may not be quite so inclined to download podcasts. They might be a little bit more focused on their own families. So now, that's not to say that I might not, you know jump in every now and again with something you know whether it's just a reel or something like that, maybe even a special surprise Christmas episode or something like that. But my plan is to not publish in November and December. The plan moving forward is to start back up in January and remaining a weekly podcast for season two. I'm also thinking potentially about moving into video on YouTube and maybe even Spotify, but we'll see about that as it gets a little bit closer.
Speaker 2:Anyway, enough about me, let's talk about you, sort of. Anyway, let's talk about my guest hosts for season one. I couldn't have done any of this without any of my guest hosts. So thank all of you very much for uh, for giving me some of your time to uh to record, and I'm gonna play a, a tribute reel for you all now. Welcome, chef. Hey, what's up?
Speaker 4:welcome, jamie thank you, I'm excited to be here welcome chef hey, how's it going welcome jen.
Speaker 2:Thanks on the show with me today I've got uh my my producer and life mate, jen hello, jen, yeah, hi welcome back, jamie hello, thanks for having me welcome terry.
Speaker 4:Hello welcome jamie hello welcome back, jamie thank you, I'm glad to be here, hello uh, welcome jen thanks joining me today is the great and all-powerful Derek Masters.
Speaker 2:Welcome, Derek.
Speaker 6:You're using those terms a little loosely there, man. Welcome, Jake Hi.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me Welcome, Jen. Thanks. Welcome, Terry.
Speaker 3:Hi guys, Glad to be here.
Speaker 2:Welcome Chef.
Speaker 5:Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 2:My niece Hannah Say hi, hannah. Hi and I also have my sister, her mom Jamie.
Speaker 4:Hey, I'm here again.
Speaker 2:Welcome back, Jen. Beats. And welcome Sam. Hi. Dr Ben, the one and thankfully the only Derek. Welcome, derek.
Speaker 6:Yep, yes, thankfully, the only yeah. I don't think the world would be ready for any more of me.
Speaker 2:Welcome Alexis. Hello Welcome Chrissy. Hello. From the left or Midwest, not politically, but very literally the left or Midwest. I have again today, Derek. Welcome, Derek.
Speaker 5:It's a lot of you both.
Speaker 2:My sister, my much older sister, jamie. Welcome Jamie, slightly older. Welcome Derek.
Speaker 4:It's a lot of people my sister, my much older sister, Jamie welcome Jamie, slightly older.
Speaker 2:Welcome Jamie.
Speaker 5:Hello Welcome.
Speaker 2:Derek, hello Welcome, chef.
Speaker 5:Hey, what's up? How's it going?
Speaker 2:Well, there it is, and thank you to all my Season 1 guests once again. Next, I'm going to get up on my mic a little bit, and I'm going to get up on my mic a little bit, and I'm going to get up on my mic here. I'm going to tell you a little secret. I'm not a real doctor. I know it's so weird, right? It's not like I've spent a little bit of time each episode making fun of myself for not being a real doctor, but, in case you hadn't caught the drift, I am not really a doctor, honestly, and I think there's only so much you can do with the letters P, h and M, d, um, so, uh, so yeah, we're we're. We're going to review that.
Speaker 2:Now, though, I am your host, dr Benjamin, and I am a doctor in the same way that Dr Pepper is a doctor, and I'm a doctor in the same way that Dr Pepper is a doctor and I am a doctor in the same way that Dr Phil is a doctor, which is to say, not at all. I am a doctor in the same way that Dr Tony on Yo Gabba Gabba was a doctor. I am your host, dr Benjamin, md. No, the MD does not mean medical doctor? It means movie dude, dr Benjamin PHD. If you ask my producer what the PhD is for, she would say pretty huge dork.
Speaker 8:Accurate.
Speaker 2:Dr Benjamin PhD. What does the PhD mean? Uh, potentially helpful dude. I am your host, dr Benjamin MD. What does the MD stand for? I'll let my guest give it a whack today.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's easy, Major dork.
Speaker 2:Of course, dr Benjamin PhD. What does the PhD stand for Posers? Ha Dude, I am a doctor in the same way that Dr Crumble is a doctor. Not really, I don't have a degree, but I'd make a horrible doctor. I am a doctor in the same way that Doc Ock is a doctor Only in fiction. I am your host, dr Benjamin Uh MD.
Speaker 2:What does the MD stand for today? I'm just going to go with movie doctor. I am a doctor in the same way that Dr Robert and Dr Geary are doctors. I'm a doctor. Way out there, man. I am your host, dr Benjamin MD. What does the MD stand for? Metadonte? I am your host, dr Benjamin PhD.
Speaker 2:What does the PhD stand for? Promoting heartfelt distractions? I am your host, dr Benjamin PhD. What does the PhD stand for? Putting haters down? A doctor in the same way as Dr Feelgood. I help make you feel, alright, dr Benjamin PhD.
Speaker 2:What does the PhD stand for? Parenting's hard dude? I'm glad. I'm glad I got a little bit of life out of that. Wait, that's all I'm asking for. That would be my PhD, right? Yeah, pretty much, that's okay, people, people are hard dude. That works. I am your host, dr Benjamin PhD.
Speaker 2:What does the PhD stand for? Please have decency. I am your host, dr Benjamin PhD. What does the PhD stand for? Protecting Heaven's Doors, jk. I don't do that, that's not my job.
Speaker 2:Dr Benjamin MD. What does the MD stand for? Murder Defender, but not in the murder in the way that you think. Or do you think Crow Crow murder. It's like a community defender. Dr Benjamin PhD. What does the PhD stand for Today? It's a message Prevent hate and discrimination. I am your host, dr Benjamin MD. What does the MD stand for? Um moving doctor? I don't know the doctor in the same way as Dr Connors is a doctor, a little scaly and prickly at times, but deep down I love science. I am your host, dr Benjamin PhD. What does the PhD stand for? Praising hackers? Dudes, I'm a doctor in the same way as Dr Laura. I can scream at you all day, but in the end I'm still not a psychologist.
Speaker 2:Dr Benjamin DSW. What does the DSW stand for? Doing some work? Yeah, I'm thinking that's pretty much the. I mean, there's really not a whole lot. You're going to do with a lot of that stuff. So that may be an ending tradition, unless, you know, unless I just kind of get a wild hair or something. But just know if there are any doctors listening. I'm not trying to cheapen what you do, it's just a persona Like Dr Dre. Now, the part you've all been waiting for We've reached the best of season one rollback, okay, so I'm gonna press the button, so what I was trying to say is, I was I was actually agreeing with you with the Raphael thing in that, like that.
Speaker 5:That kind of like I didn't ask to be born, kind of angsty kind of attitude Right, you know it's. It's something that people can relate to a lot more that not everybody's going to be this like, yeah, I'm growing up in the sewer, this is great, my life is awesome. You know, he's kind of like screw this place, dude.
Speaker 2:You're not the first person, there are a lot of other people who have told me that. You know, probably their biggest influence in Turtles was Raphael and his interactions. One of his scenes alone with Splinter was kind, what had kind of changed me a little bit.
Speaker 5:No, when he was trying to indoctrinate him, or.
Speaker 2:No, when, when, when I was younger, I struggled a lot with with anger, and there was a time when, when in the movie, when Raphael came home just after meeting casey jones, and you know he was angry because he lost a sigh and then he got his, then he got his butt kicked by by casey jones and then he couldn't find him to beat him up, and you know, and then he gets hit by himself in a taxi cab and all of that stuff and he gets home and splinter is waiting up for him.
Speaker 2:everybody else is asleep right but splinter is sitting, you know, sitting in his chair waiting for him to get home, and you know, and he makes him sit down to have a talk with him and I, I can't, even, I can't even tell you what the situation was. Uh, you know that that I had just recently gone through, when I was watching this movie, at a time that it made a big difference, um, but, but I, I, I was in a place where my anger had lost me something and it, it, it had lost me something very, uh, very big. It doesn't seem like it now, cause, like I'm sitting here going well, I don't even remember what, what this was all about, but, uh, but I just happened to be watching Ninja Turtles, uh, around this time, and when Splinter had him sit down, um, and when Splinter had him sit down, you know, I can almost quote it verbatim.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you want me to try doing the voice, or, if you want me to just quote it Because you manage your show.
Speaker 2:I don't know about my voice, acting skills. But he said you know, I've tried to curb your anger, but more remains. Anger clouds the mind and when you turn it inward, it's an unconquerable enemy. And you are unique because you choose to face it alone. But as you face it, don't forget them and don't forget me.
Speaker 2:And he wasn't telling him that he had to change. He wasn't telling him that he couldn't do it alone. He wasn't doing any of that. He was just telling him hey, you don't have to Like I get that you struggle with some fire inside of you, but you don't have to fight like I get that you, I get that you struggle with some, with some fire inside of you, but you don't have to fight it yourself and you don't have to be alone when you do. We're here for you when you need us. So you know like and and you know like I said I, I had some, I had some pretty fiery anger issues and after that, like I mean, I still struggle with a little bit of anger sometimes every now and again. But I mean I am telling you right now that like it takes some serious, serious injustice to get me to a point where I'm pissed off when you're like you lose, to lose control.
Speaker 2:I mean I've, I think I've, I think I've done it twice in the last five years, um, but it's, I mean it takes a seriously large pile of bullshit, but because of, because of that moment, it it, it. It caused me to stop and think to myself you know what, what resources around me am I not using? You know my family, my friends, who, who are the people that I have around me that can help me. You know, uh, you know they can help me channel this anger right. That's a, that's a big. Utilize it in a different way.
Speaker 5:What I found interesting is when you, when you talked about anger that way it's. It's interesting that that was, you know, one of the one of the themes because, looking back on it, most movies that deal with emotions in that way have a similar thing about anger literally consuming, like I mean star wars is a great example of that because, you know, darth vader was like trying to get them to harness their anger and use it and like the dark side's almost powered not literally, but you know the dark side's almost powered by anger, you know fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate.
Speaker 2:Hate leads to suffering.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:It's a great quote.
Speaker 2:Information behind this movie it was. It was released in 1999. The screenplay was written by Chuck Palahniuk and jim wools. Chuck palahniuk is the author of the of the book that this movie is based on. Uh, this movie is directed by david fincher, who apparently is just absolutely in love with Brad Pitt because he also directed seven and curious case of Benjamin button. Um this movie.
Speaker 4:I didn't know that, what I didn't know, that he directed seven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah it's. I mean, yeah, the, the, the guys actually got a lot, of, a lot of good movies under his belt. Uh, were just the two that I picked because they both have Brad Pitt in them, who is one of the stars. Yeah, I'm actually kind of a bigger fan of Edward Norton. Well, me too.
Speaker 4:But Brad Pitt's cool, well, me too.
Speaker 2:But Brad Pitt's cool, brad Pitt's cool, not so much for his new beard thing.
Speaker 4:Is he still doing the beard thing, like the scraggly beard that looks like a wet dog?
Speaker 2:I haven't seen him in so long in anything really relevant recently. Of course, I'm also not in the stuff. You know what I mean. Like I'm not in that stuff, but I don't. I don't remember seeing him in the last five or six years. So yeah, I don't know. He's uh, he's yodeling on a rooftop somewhere with jimmy fallon, what it's.
Speaker 6:Look it up I have to jimmy fallon and yodeling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, they have a whole conversation. It was back when world war z came out, so it's not, it's not fresh, uh. So I mean, just just keep that in mind.
Speaker 2:Um well, apparently I'm not real fresh either yeah, well, I mean you, you're, uh, you're not on a movie podcast, so like I mean that's supposed to be my thing, uh, so that's true, like I'm I'm the one that's that's kind of fallen behind here. Um, yeah, but yeah, so this movie has it's kind of a kind of a heavy, heavy hitting cast here, you know, I mean starting with brad pitt and edward norton and then tossing in elena bonham carter, uh, and then, if that wasn't enough, meatloaf.
Speaker 4:I know.
Speaker 2:Meatloaf is in this movie.
Speaker 4:With Bob.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you didn't watch this movie before I brought it to you, because Meatloaf is in this movie, jamie.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, I know, I didn't know Meatloaf was in the movie until you made me watch it, though.
Speaker 2:So right, um, this, uh something, something that's kind of fun about this movie, though, uh, it is nominated. It has been nominated for one oscar, and uh still blows my mind you. You wouldn't guess what it was for because, like with, with a movie like this and with the kind of cult following that it has, you would. You would assume that it would be, you know, a pretty incredible portrayal of a character from either, you know, edward norton or brad pitt but it has nothing to do with any of that.
Speaker 2:Like it it's. It was a. It was a best effects in sound effects editing.
Speaker 4:And it blows my mind. It blows my mind because, literally, I would never look at this as some sort of special effects mark.
Speaker 2:Of course, I don't know. I don't know how familiar you are with any of Chuck Palahniuk stories, um, but any of his, any of his books that get turned into movies, tend to be, uh, hard received by by a lot of critics and things like that, um and and it's. It is because he just has that very distinctive writing style that is very present in Fight Club, in this movie especially. This movie was very close to the book.
Speaker 4:You know, I didn't know it was a book until we started talking about this, so I had no idea. Now I want to go read the book because I'm curious. You know, I'm curious. Normally the book is better than the movie.
Speaker 2:Right, be prepared for a ride. Like it can be kind of a difficult book to read, like you sometimes have to force yourself to put it down because you want to keep reading, but at the same time you feel like you're being bludgeoned with intellectual epiphanies, like you have to take it in and he doesn't give you an opportunity to do that before he continues with his story.
Speaker 4:It's just, it's amazing I guess I can't say that I'm surprised, because that's kind of how the movie is. You know what I mean? I mean I've watched this movie now I don't even know how many times and I swear, every time I watch it I get something else out of it. You know what I mean? Like I grab just a little bit more. So I'm sure I'll have to really pay attention to the book as I read that.
Speaker 2:It reminds me of a quote that my dad used to say when I was a kid, and that was that was never accept mediocrity as a standard of excellence Because of that standard of excellence. I think that's where a lot of his passion came out. It didn't really even have anything to do with how the food tasted, as much as how it was prepared, and it didn't have as much to do about being prepared as much as how it was being stored, and it didn't have as much to do about how it was being stored as much as it did where it was coming from you know, and it like everything before, it was more important, which meant that every, every level of producing food for somebody to eat there was something that he expected from every level of that right and uh and, and I think that that was a reflection of himself.
Speaker 5:If I could put a word on it, um, that whole process and all of that stuff. The word that comes to mind is reverence having reverence for the food, for the processes, the procedures, and like honoring and respecting those because of the. And like honoring and respecting those because of the, the putting putting emotions onto a plate, because I've always said that the cooking a lot of time, because, if you think about it, like, anybody can make a baked potato, a hamburger or whatever. Like most people can cook a lot of things at home. Like, maybe they can't, maybe they can't make it look as pretty, but usually people can cook a lot of things at home. Maybe they can't make it look as pretty, but usually people can throw something together and it's good.
Speaker 5:But how somebody feels, you know, like Heather's mom made meatball subs the other day and it was prepackaged sauce, frozen meatballs and bread cheese. You know it was. It was like it was pre-packaged sauce, frozen meatballs and and bread cheese. You know was cooked in the oven and it meant a lot because that was. You know that there was effort put into it and that there was um, you know, normally I'm the one that is cooking dinner, so it was like a relief to not have to do it and like a lot of what I felt, it's like, yeah, the food was good too, but there was.
Speaker 5:There's whenever we sit down to eat somebody else's food especially, there's kind of this like underlying communication that takes place. And I think was, this is my fidget stick. I've just been like fidgeting my ADHD to keep me focused. But they they. Uh, you know he would go somewhere and he's eating. He.
Speaker 5:You get the sense that he's not just eating a piece of chicken you know he's taking in, like where he was at before this, you know the the history of of the dish and like all of the different stuff that comes with it. And I think that's the difference between food that's truly good and actually stands out and when you start getting into pretentious because pretentious, I feel, is when you try to create something in a way that isn't authentic, trying to to over complicate things, using too many spices, you know, getting way too fancy with it. It's like, well, who are you? You know, right, like there's. There's a in art class. I uh, I actually wasn't too bad in art class.
Speaker 5:There were artists that their drawings weren't exactly. I'll just say they weren't monet. You know, like I wasn't either, but I was better. The deal is that they could draw stick figures and as long as they poured their heart and soul into those stick figures, that meant more to somebody. That meant more than somebody that made this elaborate painting that they don't even care about. You know, I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:Not only does it show you that it's important the kind of people that you surround yourself with, but it's also like, sometimes, those, those people that you do bring into your life, that you keep around you to make you better. Sometimes they're, they're not expected. These two were two people that were built to hate each other, you know, oh no, humans are humans. Love them, yeah, but they, they, they were at odds like the whole time. He was just trying to deceive her and and try to pull one past her or whatever.
Speaker 2:And then she wanted to just, you know, to go find her mom, and she would do that at his expense if she needed to right um well but all it, all it took was a shared experience, a few shared experiences, very small ones, like I mean, because it didn't take him very long to get around no um because it's slushiest yeah because, because slushiest, you know, kicked into slushiest, you know kicked into Bust a Lime, yes.
Speaker 8:They made a grape escape.
Speaker 2:I love how every time somebody says Bust a Lime, whoever it is that says it, just starts cracking up. To me that's just a really great little thing. But I mean it really didn't take very long for them to start figuring out a really great little thing. Um, but I mean they, it really didn't take very long for them to start figuring out a really big thing, and I think I think it's something that really everybody can kind of look at and work on Um and and that's that.
Speaker 2:Like, there's all this talk about inclusion and acceptance and things like that, and a lot of people are are really resistant to that for acceptance and things like that, and a lot of people are really resistant to that for whatever reason. But when we look at these different interactions between these two people that don't like each other, then we start to see something that's really important and it's a key part of that acceptance and inclusion thing, and that is figuring out that, yeah, you have differences, but when you really observe things, you start figuring out that you have more in common than you have differences.
Speaker 8:Well, and Tip kind of talks about that with the whole. You know it would help us not to hate you guys so much if you actually started liking some of the things that we like right, like with the music yes, um, because I mean the, the, the whole, the whole thing with him.
Speaker 2:You know dancing in in his seat or whatever, and then you know turning red and freaking out because his body temperature is too high or whatever, and then he jumps out of the car Like I don't really understand why that would be by raising your body temperature would be such a big deal.
Speaker 8:But it was raising with embarrassment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe uh forcing him into, uh into almost having a number three, but don't squeeze him, it might still happen right, but yeah, I mean, it's just with all of these things that they're starting to finally figure out are really not that different, like yeah, so boob music is awful, you know?
Speaker 8:um it is just noise and and some people.
Speaker 2:Some people could even say the same thing about the music that they were listening to when she changed it back to the human channel.
Speaker 8:Nope.
Speaker 2:But I was jamming, I jam every time but like, but among people, though that that I mean. That's the thing is that some people are going to hate that song.
Speaker 8:Right.
Speaker 2:And some people are really going to love it. But those two people the person that hates the song and the person that loves it are, if they spent enough time in one room, they would find that they have more in common than they do different. The differences that we have are something to be celebrated, more than it is to you know. Try to find common ground and make that the basis of everything. Like you know, although I'm sorry, I don't even I don't care how much I start to like Boove.
Speaker 8:I am not listening to their music because it sucks Well and like it's. It's the same with us. You know me.
Speaker 2:I listen to just about anything and everything under everything.
Speaker 8:Yes, yeah, my, my playlist would surprise quite a few people, I'm sure, um, and sometimes I listen to music that you're not a fan of and you will listen, you will listen, and we just kind of take turns. I think you have to actively try to not find common ground with anyone else. Like we are, we are people and we may grow up different, live differently, but I feel like it would be hard to not find something in common with anyone.
Speaker 2:Right, and the cool thing with this is that, like I mean, they obviously look past it a little bit. If our music sounded to oh, the way that his music sounds to me, then like, then there's no way that he would have been all you know doing the head bobbing and the in the leg tapping and all of that stuff. He wouldn't have gotten to that point, um. So so I think they took a little bit of creativity and and just like pushing that aside or whatever. But but ultimately I think that that was a really good message there, that if we can find more in common with each other, that I think that our differences will matter less. I guess is kind of the way that I want to put it.
Speaker 8:Not that, like you said, our differences should be something to be celebrated. It's OK to be different, it's OK to be unique and like. That's another thing. He was not like any other move. Right. And people did not treat him well. But you realize towards, towards the end, like it is something to be celebrated to be different. And just because you think it's different does not mean that everyone does like right do you think that there's like an overarching like message to this?
Speaker 2:because I mean I didn't really feel a moral of the story was made in this movie? Of course I mean it doesn't really seem to be with that. You know that almost indie millennial gen z movie type way, the, the, the moral of the story is not really a thing that they like to do, because that's just too, you know, after school special-ish.
Speaker 8:I mean I kind of picked up on one it was another really good Alan quote that he says all this love shit's complicated and that's good, because if it's too simple you've got no reason to try, and if you've got no reason to try you don't. And so many times like you get into this mode in a relationship where you're like, okay, well, you know, we're just together and then you start doing your own things, and which I mean is good, do your own things, but you still have to feed that relationship and a lot of times people stop.
Speaker 2:Right, and if we unpack that for a second, you know, if it's too boring you don't try. How did that go again?
Speaker 8:If it's too simple, you've got no reason to try. And if you've got no reason to try, you don't.
Speaker 2:and if you've got no reason to try, you don't. If it's too simple, you've got no reason to try. Now, I mean I can kind of understand that, like I mean, how many couples have you known in your life? And I mean some people can even look at their parents the same way, you know, and say they have a simple life. They know everything about each other. You know their, their lives are so, uh, so connected that they I mean they don't even have to ask each other how they were at work anymore. All they have to do is see him walk up to the house and they know, you know, and and things like that, and when and when life gets so predictable like that, it could be so simple that it's comfortable and it's very easy to just leave it that way.
Speaker 8:Well, see and I take that as like you see those relationships like once they get married or once they know that, like that person's here to stay, they're like well, you know, I don't have to take them out on dates anymore, I don't have to listen to them when they talk like Right, I don't have to go out of.
Speaker 2:You don't have to, you know, um, because you just know it's probably something that's more common than anybody really likes to admit. But you know, I mean there's. There's even been times where you know where you've had to, where you've had to tell me hey, I feel like our life is getting too routine. You know, can, can we go on a date this week, or something like that?
Speaker 2:And you know, I mean that's, that's perfectly reasonable, you know, like I mean, it's not you asshole, you're, you're not doing well enough, you know. But if it's so simple that that you, that you don't have to try, you're not going to, but if you want to make sure that it's that there's still something new and that that there's still something new and that that there's still a reason to be, to be interested.
Speaker 8:I don't even think it has to be like new, like when I, when I tell you about all and when I tell you about that, it's like okay, I need, I need some you and me time. Like engaging and like talking, and like it doesn't even have to be new stuff. It can just be like well, we talk about movies, we talk about music, we talk about all kinds of nerdy stuff, and like talking and like it doesn't even have to be new stuff. It can just be like well, we talk about movies, we talk about music, we talk about all kinds of nerdy stuff, and like I love those conversations. Like we used to go on long drives and do nothing but just bs about whatever weird. You know brainwave my mind kept jumping to high 15s high I was very tired that night.
Speaker 8:Thank, you and a very tired and sleep deprived jen means really weird conversation yes, yes, it does, and really giggly jen yes, uh, one would almost say, one would almost think inebriated. Oh yeah, it can definitely get that way.
Speaker 8:But I, I do agree, I think that I think that that's something that that I think Adam Driver Adam Driver pretty much nails it on the head that it's just kind of another way of saying that love isn't, love isn't enough, you know yeah, you have to put in that effort and, honestly, like we kind of had a conversation like this where, um, girls, I think, notice that stuff more because, like growing up we are, we are like bombarded with all these you know, prince charming and the guys has to do this, and we get unrealistic expectations right and guys they don't.
Speaker 8:I feel they don't get that as much. So like we are on two completely different levels and unless you can sit there and say, hey, I need this, like I need time with you, like don't don't blow it out of proportion, like you don't need a horse and buggy and carriage or whatever, but like just one-on-one time where there's like no phones, no tv, like you guys are actually talking and engaging and spending that quality time there's a guy who, uh, the whole world, everybody that he knows and everybody in in the world that he has ever seen are paid actors, and uh, and, and his whole height, his whole life, is being filmed without his knowledge.
Speaker 2:So, or consent, or or without his consent, yeah, cause he was, uh, he was born um somebody who, who gave him up at birth, um, and he was adopted by a television studio to make, uh, to make this TV show a 24 hour a day, seven day a week TV show. This TV show a 24 hour a day, seven day a week TV show. I mean, if I can tell you some really interesting things uh about, about this movie, one of them is that this movie has actually been introduced into a college curriculum. They, they use it in ethics classes to talk about, you know, ethics and media and stuff like that. So I mean that's kind of cool.
Speaker 8:Well, I mean to be fair. There are some college classes that I've heard about that are like fun classes, like I just saw some Facebook post about there being like a college class that you can take about Taylor Swift's life.
Speaker 2:Seriously.
Speaker 8:Seriously and I know that like long ago because I was still like just getting out of college was having I think it was like a Harry Potter one if I remember correctly, like a harry potter one, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2:So that feels a little bit more to me like something that would make sense, as opposed to taylor swift. I'm now, I'm not hating on taylor swift I. I want all of my listeners to understand that I don't have any problems with taylor swift, but I mean, but really like a college course to study Taylor Swift's life.
Speaker 8:Yeah, that's weird. I don't remember where it said it was happening, but yeah, taylor Swift classes.
Speaker 2:I think we should have a college class to study Keanu Reeves' life.
Speaker 8:That would be interesting.
Speaker 2:I think that would be far more interesting, and it would include music too. Did you know he plays bass? I think you told me that once include music too, did you know?
Speaker 8:he plays bass.
Speaker 2:I think you told me that once yeah, yeah, like he plays bass in a band. I mean I don't know if I don't know if the band's any good. I've never actually listened to it. I think I might have to do that.
Speaker 8:But maybe he plays bass as well as he actually shoots again maybe, maybe.
Speaker 2:Uh, I mean, he does look like he's got long fingers yeah, that would help.
Speaker 4:You know that'd be, that'd be good when I watched this I was like um, I don't know it was. It was captivating from the word go, like the. The first five minutes of the movie had me roped in. I didn't pull my eyes away from it after that and it was there. There was interesting things in the way it was filmed. There was interesting things in the storyline. There was interesting things in um, in the characters. I, I just um, yeah, I was. I was riveted from the word go. I was also really exhausted at the end. I mean for a movie where it literally is close-up shots of all of like what two characters that you actually see. Everybody else is on the phone.
Speaker 2:Well, and that right, there is exactly why I had gained so much respect for, for Jake Gyllenhaal in this movie. We'll take a moment for some technical movie making aspects here. So you, you ask any movie maker, director, anybody, you ask them what an actor's moneymaker is, and they will, they will tell you that it's, it's this frame here, it's just right around the face, it is the closeup and and that's because that is their, that is their their greatest asset for drawing emotion out of a scene and and for being able to convey enough emotion to to transfer that emotion onto the viewers. Now, with so much of this movie being in closeup, you're you're spending a lot of time connecting with the character. You're spending a lot of time really focusing on how they feel, what they're thinking and and all of their emotions.
Speaker 2:And on top of that, it is extremely exhausting to be in close-up for that much time. Even short close-ups in in filming regular, regular movies is is exhausting work. A lot of people would would look at something like that and be like come on, what's what's so exhausting about that? You know, you're an actor, you just you act, whether the, whether the camera is 10 feet away or you know whatever. Well, when they're shooting a closeup, they don't have a long lens on the camera, like I mean, it is a very short lens and they have that camera less than 10 inches from your face and and it's right in your face. And if you don't think that that is stressful, like I've got an experiment for you to try.
Speaker 4:No, I don't need an experiment. I mean COVID. Service delivery in my work during COVID was all on FaceTime, it was all on Zoom and so it was exhausting. You could spend and I did often spend six hours a day on zoom right, and at the end of the day I had felt like I had ran a marathon. It was emotionally exhausting to watch myself talk on zoom all day long right, um, and yeah, and it's really no different yeah yeah now.
Speaker 2:Now for my listeners if, if you take your cell phone, go hand it to your, to your partner, your kid, uh, your, your friend, your coworker, whatever, take your cell phone, put it in the highest definition video possible and and hand them the phone and tell them to put you in a closeup frame and start recording. Tell them to record a 15-second video. You are going to feel so uncomfortable at the end of 5 to 10 seconds of having this camera right in your face because it's almost oppressive. And Jake Gyllenhaal did that for an entire movie. He spent the vastest majority of the time in close-up and it didn't affect his character once, not once did I doubt that he was an ostracized cop at a call center, like I mean, he held it and he did a really great job.
Speaker 4:Well and it really set a mood for the whole movie too. I mean, it was like the lighting was dark, like it was a call center right, so very shadowy, very dark. There were a few people there, but you don't see them. It was, you know, they were blurred off in the background unless they were in the scene and that just didn't happen very much. And that close-up space and his I don't know can we call it moody and broody. I mean he was clearly, as you go into the movie you kind of see that he's going through some things and that didn't take very long to figure out anyway. So this whole, I mean the whole setup was super, um, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I guess I, for lack of a better word, intimate like oh yeah, you just really felt like you were in the space places where you shouldn't be, like you were listening in on things that you shouldn't be listening to, you know right, well, and and some of the some of the other really cool things about this movie Antoine Fuqua, when he filmed this movie, it was filmed during the pandemic and I don't know if you remember, but a lot of the things that they were doing for movies and stuff like that were put on hold because so many people are required on set and things like that. Well, antoine Fuqua was, uh, he was exposed um, just a few days before filming, and this was back when, when quarantine was two weeks, like two full weeks. Well, he couldn't, couldn't be on set, right.
Speaker 4:So those laws were also in place for social distancing. So you'll notice that at all times in this movie the pandemic might have forced it into that, but it was super effective. I mean, and it makes me wonder how much the plan for the movie changed. Like, was there going to be live action scenes that weren't in the movie? You know stuff like that. That's fascinating. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Right, and then it was filmed in 14 days. So the entire time that it took them to film this movie, antoine Fuqua was supposed to be quarantined, uh was supposed to be quarantined, um, and so what? He? He ended up doing they, they have these buses, like these vans in hollywood that you can rent, uh, you can direct movies and stuff like that, uh, from, like, the parking lot. And so he ended up, he ended up using one of those like a swat van kind of it's it's kind of like SWAT direction van or something, yeah, and and please tell me there's like 1-800 flowers pasted on the on the side of it.
Speaker 2:No, no, I don't remember what they're called. It's like spark van or something like that it's. It's got some kitschy name, but um.
Speaker 4:I know, but to fit in with the theme I mean mean you could just put you know Al's plumbing service on the side and put the cones out and really fit with the theme of you know, get the hell out of my face while I direct this movie. Undercover, undercover cop stuff. I don't know, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:But he, but yeah, he got one of those bands and did that, and then he was, apparently he liked it so much that uh, ever since filming this movie, uh he's had one of those vans even without having to quarantine.
Speaker 4:so yeah, apparently, apparently it's effective is he using that exclusively, or is he on set too? Because that would I mean, that would make me kind of sad.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean if it's in, if it's in the parking lot, I'm sure he can go in when he needs to, um, but yeah um but I don't know, that's kind of weird to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, if you're, if you're in a van where you have access to all of the video that you've recorded and that you've shot and you can see multiple camera angles on one side of the van, you can get the idea of what you want to go in, what order and stuff like that. But I mean again, that's all filmmaking technique, that is just. It's good stuff. As the movie goes, you start to see that there are fewer actual punks. You know the people that they're partying with, partying with. You know it. It started out that in the first party they showed that Steve-O was walking around and and the only mod you know, the modern mob guys. Uh, the only mod that you had seen at the party was that one kid that was kind of a. There was kind of an ambassador, the ambassador yeah, that one kid that was kind of a.
Speaker 3:there was kind of an ambassador, the ambassador.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just going to say, you know he's the only one. But then, but then, as the movie goes, you start seeing more mods and and you know more of the uh, the, the posers and all of that I mean you. You see more of those other groups about. The only one that you don't see are are the rednecks.
Speaker 3:You know the yeah, the cowboy kids but they show up at that one scene and you know, break up the party, you get their revenge yeah, but I mean, that's just fun I mean, I think, that's probably one of my favorite parts of the punk culture is that fighting.
Speaker 2:Fighting is is a necessity because it's yeah it's necessary for having fun. Um, and I mean I I can't really say that I relate, because I'll tell you what I I have been punched before and I didn't like it, so I would make, I would make a shitty punk, yeah, but um, but I mean it is, it is just a really fun idea. Like, did you ever? Did you ever friend fight?
Speaker 3:Oh, all the time. Yeah, I had. I had four brothers, so yeah, you had four brothers.
Speaker 2:You did plenty of friend fighting.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, well, and some not so friendly, but yeah, plenty of fighting. Growing up aspect of it was really energizing to me. It was like that, the I, I feel like uh, watching it back as an adult, it's uh, it hits a little bit differently because the violence you're so energized by, it is so much fun. But you look at it now and you're just like god that that would hurt right, no, I'm that and I'm too old like, yeah, well, forget that.
Speaker 2:The violent stuff, I don't know I think is fun. I like violent movies.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, yeah it's. It's not that the violence is necessarily good or anything, but it is so much fun to watch yeah.
Speaker 2:That's and and it's. It adds something, oh for sure. And it is part of that culture, you know. Yeah, if fighting on on multiple levels, I mean physically fighting with the people around you that you don't like, is I mean or you know that don't like you, I guess both apply, um, but also fighting against the system, fighting against the you know, the government, obviously the rednecks, fighting against expectations and and things like that and and that kind of brings in the, the, the point of interest that you had put on um the, the finding oneself aspect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I really feel like um, um, steve-o is struggling with that this whole movie through, I mean, and and you kind of get this uh flashback closer to the end of the movie um, where it shows uh steve-o and and uh heroine bob as kids and you find out that that steve-o was always the straight-laced one he was.
Speaker 3:He was a nerd. He was, just, you know, in the basement playing dungeons and dragons, and bob was the one that that brought him into into, uh, the punk scene, you know, and uh really woke it up inside of him. But it wasn't him that was. That was, you know, pushing towards the punk. He just wanted friends to fit in.
Speaker 2:He just, you know, he was trying to find out who he was kind of the cool thing with the whole, you know, spending so much time throughout the movie finding himself, is that he, I, I don't think he actually finds himself until the end. I mean, I mean, I guess in some you know warm and fuzzy way, I guess that's kind of true for all of us. But except for the fact that most of us learn, especially, like you know, I turned, I turned 40, you know, a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2:So I started to figure out that I, I never stopped finding myself, you know, like I continue to find new things about myself every year, and and so that I mean and and I think that that's something that Steve-O was kind of doing, was it? It felt like he was trying to find the who he's going to be forever, and that's, that's impossible.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I think so many of us struggle with that, especially when we're younger. We get this idea that we're supposed to set up our entire lives. You're supposed to have a plan and get to it. You know, you graduate high school, you go to college, you get a job, you I mean they want you to write your whole life out and and know who you are before you even graduate high school.
Speaker 2:Like your brain isn't done developing, then Like so how can you, how can you honestly?
Speaker 3:I mean, if he went into college immediately after graduating, he's his brain may not even be developed right now. I mean I think they said it's like twenty five or twenty six by the time your, your brain, is fully developed. That was one of my. One of my teachers in high school always recommended that we not get married until we're at least twenty five, so that your brain is fully developed and you're making a proper decision. You know my my dad.
Speaker 2:My dad always called it growing a brain, you know he'd say you know, like, um, like he'd find something like after I moved out or whatever, and he'd give it to my sister and be like here you hold on to this for your brother until he grows a brain, you know, and and it't. It wasn't because my dad, well, my dad, my dad's just kind of badass, um, but he, he like I mean he wasn't literally saying that, you know, I was too stupid to have those nice things, but you know, but I mean there, there, there comes a a level of maturity with age that it is impossible before that point with age, that that is impossible before that point. But I mean you can, you can definitely get that feeling off of off of Susanna in this is that is, that she, just she, she has a an aversion to, to what seems to be expected of her, and I I can.
Speaker 2:I can go along with with. You know her desire for things to be different. I mean she wants to write. What's so wrong about that?
Speaker 4:Well, but that was in a time where we didn't encourage our kids to chase their dreams, right.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:We encouraged our kids to do what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, we still kind of do that today they're supposed to do. And well, I mean, we still kind of do that today, you know I mean, yeah, go to college, you know, get a career and get married, have kids. White picket fence crap.
Speaker 4:You know, I mean it's just all the same. All the same thing. Just your white picket fence can be brown if you want it's fine, yeah, that's what's changed.
Speaker 2:is that now we can have colors in our fence Right?
Speaker 4:right 2.5 or 1.3 kids. It's fine, your choice.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean and that seems to be very clearly kind of Susanna's role in this. But what about Lisa? Angelina Jolie.
Speaker 4:Oh, Lisa. Well, Lisa's the bad guy in the movie, right? I mean, I guess if I were to look at the cast of characters, Lisa's the bad guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's what she tells Susanna at the end of the movie. I'm here to be your villain.
Speaker 4:Well, that's true, that's true. She was very clear, I think what and this would have to be a whole nother movie. But I think what's sad is that it's like there's no reason for Lisa, there's no reason for why she is the way she is. Yeah, she's just there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, and she's always been there and she always will be there. Like you definitely get the sense that this is, this is it for her, this is it for her. And that to me is kind of sad because I think in some ways that can totally perpetuate like stigma and misunderstandings about mental health and things like that. But but maybe that's not important because I guess the rest of the movie is kind of all about busting those up a little bit.
Speaker 4:So Right, but there's a definite distinction between the two of them. Well, and even I, I mean even you look at their character, you know we have. We have suzanna, who has dark, short hair, very fair skin, and then you have lisa, who has blonde hair and blue eyes. You know what I mean. Like you can even see the way that they they style them in the movie. It's almost like complete opposites in some ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, there's another character that I have on the list here, that is, she isn't clearly a part of of the uh, of the big characters, the ones that you see the most of and all of that stuff. She's not clearly in that group, but she is clearly important, like once you start getting into the spoiler range of the movie. I'm not sure how many people haven't seen this movie, like I hadn't, but go watch it, it's so worth it but uh, but yeah, I mean daisy uh, britney murphy first of all, I love britney.
Speaker 4:I love every britney murphy, every Murphy, every Britney Murphy I've ever seen. I love Britney Murphy. Okay, I just do. I love her. I feel like she my favorite. My favorite role that she was in was in Clueless.
Speaker 2:You remember that yeah, yeah, I remember Clueless.
Speaker 4:I'm pretty sure it was Clueless, right not? Yeah because Clueless and Mean Girls, sometimes those like meld for me yeah, no, she was in clueless oh, I just loved her character in clueless I don't know, because it felt like this is my high school tribe right here, so I can compare her to some of my some of my cohorts in high school yeah, well, and I mean she was, I mean in in this movie she was.
Speaker 2:she was kind of a background character for the majority of it, except that the majority of her importance felt like it came from just before she left the facility and like I mean, as she was leaving the facility kind of thing, then when she was gone is when she became more important. I don't know, it's kind of weird how that worked.
Speaker 4:Well, and I think her leaving kind of tripped some issues for some of them too, because they all knew, they all knew she wasn't any better. You know what I mean. They knew that not enough had changed for her, but here she was, getting getting out and getting to go live her life, yeah. So yeah, it wasn't a part a lot of the stuff though, because she kind of kept to herself throughout even the whole movie, like she just that was part of. I think that was part of her struggles with her mental health, was isolating and stuff like that.
Speaker 4:So and then, uh, the last character I have on here is, uh, my favorite, valerie yes, valerie, well and literally, you know, you know the character is going to have some impact when it's played by whoopi goldberg, right like this is the character that has lessons to teach us I think I think the the least, I think the least impactful character that she's ever played was Little Rascals.
Speaker 2:Oh I didn't even know. She was simply the mom you know like. Do you remember the gimmick that came with that?
Speaker 4:I didn't even remember she was in that movie.
Speaker 2:All it was literally all it was, was one of the kids was like, look, my mom is here, and then the other one turns and looks at him and goes whoopee, and then it pans over. Yeah, and I I'm pretty sure that was the extent of her, of her time in that movie. I don't, I mean, it's been a long time since I've seen little rascals, but but yeah so, yeah, that's, that was the gimmick, yeah that's funny but yeah, val, but yeah, valerie, she, I mean she, she was pretty big, pretty much right from the beginning.
Speaker 2:As soon as she got to South bell, you know, like I mean it was she she walked up the steps with her. When it went right into the, into the ward, I mean, and she didn't really seem to be, you know, she wasn't sugarcoating anything and she was being real about everything from the beginning. And I feel like from the beginning, like from her first interactions with Susanna, it was almost like she knew that she wasn't a person that was going to be there forever, maybe more like a mental health triage kind of thing, you know, just get her stable and, and you know, send her back out, kind of thing. Uh, I mean, it ended up taking a lot longer than I think anybody anticipated, but but it's almost like Valerie knew I don't have to, I don't have to be too stuffy with this one because, like, because she's she's more, she's more like me, you know.
Speaker 4:Well, and I think the piece that I appreciated, one of the things that this movie really did for me was give me a real good sense of the history and the progression in mental health treatment and facilities and things like that. And what I loved about this is it's like whoopee was was the lighthouse in the port right. Yeah.
Speaker 4:All of these terrible things that happened in that time in mental health treatment and treatment facilities. She went beyond all of that and she treated them like people and she didn't treat them as her diagnosis and so I appreciated that about her because it's like you could see the good things that were coming. But I've taken a couple of different like my training for my job for peer support. One of the pieces in that was to learn about the progression of mental health treatment and diagnosis and things like that throughout the history of human services. And then I took a human services class and we kind of learned. I learned something like similar things but from a different viewpoint. And it amazes me even to look back in the last I don't know 10 or 15 years to see the changes that they've made.
Speaker 4:And some of those changes I was really like against.
Speaker 4:Do you know what I mean? This is in a time where you have an issue, we're going to put you in a facility and lock the door and we had a huge movement in our area about like community-based treatment, things like that, and they were closing all the hospitals and I was thinking that's terrible, that's terrible. Where do these people go when they need that? And the whole idea was is that maybe they don't need that, maybe that's not the best way to treat people? But I didn't really understand that and I feel like watching this again has it kind of brought some of that stuff back for me to say, okay, well, look look at how it is today and how it was back then and maybe that maybe that movement was the best way. I'm not going to say maybe, because I do feel like we have much more effective services and places for people to get help when they need it. So so that was kind of an interesting side of this was to see the history, you know, to really see an action and what that must have looked like.
Speaker 2:A lot of that is where the medicine is. You know, it's the sediment that's, that's in in the liquid and not at the bottom of the glass, like dad always told us. It's it's the, it's the stuff that makes you better. Now I know that this scene specifically talked to you.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Tell me about that.
Speaker 4:Well, miles is every kid and miles is miles is my kid. Tell me about that. Well, miles is every kid and Miles is Miles is my kid, miles is my son and I can't tell you how many times that that was the conversation. And you know, I think, as he was, especially in this stage and just given, given our family dynamic you know my nuclear me and my kids dynamic and how my family came together, both of my kids, I think, had to go through this space where they had to figure out who they're going to be. You know they have biological family and then they have our adopted family and trying to figure out, like you know, what does this mean and where do I come from and what does that mean. And, and you know, I saw, I saw both of my kids struggle in that and I think, for for both of them and I, you know, I think I think Miles, uh, miles hits close to home because Miles not just reminds me of my son but also looks like my son and acts like my son, and you know all of that. It was just like, um, yes, all the one liner and he's super creative and he loves his music and you know all of that stuff. Um, you know, and, and that that speech that that jefferson gave at the door was so often the same thing that I told that I told my kid on a regular basis. You know, you are, you are made for great things and you have something special and, you know, just wanting so badly for him to be able to harness that and do amazing things with it, like he is so more than capable of doing.
Speaker 4:And how scared I was that it might not turn out that way. You know that I wasn't, and not because of him, but because I wasn't doing it right. You know that I wasn't doing enough to to support him and do that, uh, to do that, and so, um, yeah, I not gonna, I'm not gonna lie. Um, I got to see that scene twice as I was prepping for this, maybe even three times as I was prepping for this podcast, and I ugly cried the first time because I'm just like, oh, you know, so it was.
Speaker 4:I think it almost validated, validated for me and I'll tell you what that shift, that shift in parenting, was so hard. It was hard to recognize that I needed that, that I needed to do that shifting, but also seeing my kids shift and change into, you know, mini emerging adults was really hard for me because, oh man, I just because it it signifies the last end of the track, right, like that tail end of where I have influence and support and the ability to to, uh, my ability to guide was coming to an end, you know Right, so yeah, Thank you, that's uh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Thank you, that's uh, that's awesome. Now for for me. I had a little bit of a not quite, not quite so deep connection for me, um, but uh, I mean it. It. It did kind of remind me of a conversation that that dad and I didn't have, um okay, what?
Speaker 2:Okay, so now you're getting punchy like spider-man, okay. So so the a lot, of, a lot of what, what was in this conversation. It's stuff that kind of came through for for dad and I in in a different way. We we didn't actually have the conversation though, like it was just it was just one of those things that, like we just knew, we just knew that that things had changed. We were just going to accept each other for for what we, what we knew each other to be, and that it was okay, like, and I mean in that that gives a whole different uh, look on the expectations thing and all of that. Like you know, dad and I butt heads a lot back then you know, with the expectation.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean it, it was, except butted sounds weird, I don't know, I don't like it. But but yeah, we did. We did butt heads quite a bit on on expectations and things like that, and and again we didn't really have a conversation but we just knew I was who, I was going to be, and he, he learned that accepting that was important and I knew that, uh, that he was the person that he always had been and that that I had to respect that. It wasn't easy for him to change. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah Well, and you've kind of even pointed out to me I had never don't get me wrong, I saw that relationship a tiny bit in this, but I guess I had never really sat back and thought, huh, I bet, I bet dad had to go through some of that too. You know like oh yeah.
Speaker 4:Cause there was I mean, there really was a space where I had to let go and understand that you know, I, I cannot control everything that's going to happen to my kids, and I have to accept that they're going to make choices, they're going to have opinions, they're going to um, they're going to move in directions that I don't get a control or have a say in, and I have to be okay with that because the relationship is more important than you know, those, those decisions. So I guess I never, in this instance, I never thought about our parents having to do that at some point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, it was quite confrontational to me, uh, in that way. I mean all that stuff was in the back, like it was well before I saw this movie and all of that stuff, but it was still it. It was still something that it that was able to bring it to uh, to the now and make me go God.
Speaker 4:I really did put dad through a whole lot of shit that conversation with dad on numerous occasions Like I am so sorry for every stupid dumb thing I ever said and did.
Speaker 4:I was an idiot and now I'm an adult and I'm sorry, dad, I'm sorry you were right and I was wrong. And I can tell you ironically and I don't know how this happened so fast, but recently one of my kiddos came to me and said oh, mom, that was a really dumb thing that I did. You were right. And again I got this tiny little insight of what it must have been like for dad when I told him that the first time that day about you know all the things at college time that I did against what he said, and it broke my heart a little bit to hear her say that Right Now that I just doubted which kid it was.
Speaker 2:But especially, especially when you're trying to give them, especially when you're trying to avoid the. I told you so.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, Cause that wasn't at all Like. I never want the. I told you so.
Speaker 12:Right.
Speaker 4:But it's like oh, look at all the heart, heartache that you've been through and that was what I was trying to help you avoid.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean like yeah it, just it kind of yeah, it kind of hurts my heart so the leap of faith that is, there is a a movement of people, of filmmakers and, um, in special effects, people and and things like that that are trying to, that are trying to get it officially named the greatest shot in history. It's not because of the actual shot itself as much as it is, uh, all of the emotion and the planning and and the story that leads up to it, and and how it capitalizes everything, um, and and I I for one, I agree Like it's it's. It's really amazing how they tied everything together in that, in just that that short period of time. What's up? Danger, you know it just, it all comes together. It's really powerful, really strong, good stuff.
Speaker 4:And I'll tell you what I think, what the reason that was so very impactful to me was because it was like it took every single person in his community he had a small community right and it took every single one of them speaking empowering messages to him. You know what I mean For him to be able to take that leap of faith, to step out and become Spider-Man and become Spider-Man. He needed every single one of those people to just help him believe in himself. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean kind of in the notes that I had taken for myself was that the faith that powered that leap actually came from Jefferson. He put faith in Miles and he may have before, like he may have, felt that faith in his son, but it wasn't until he told him and then it was like well, if I have my dad, then I have everything.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yes, yes, you're going to make me ugly cry again.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I really I really love that scene and I do. If there's a petition or something that somebody knows about, let me know I will. I will put my name on it moveorg, let's do it right um that whole.
Speaker 2:You know that jefferson's faith in his son was what gave him the strength to do it echoes again in the final battle with kingpin, you know when he needed to get up just that one more time. Yep, and he looks over and he sees his dad. You know, get up Spider-Man. That wasn't even his son, that he knows of you know yeah. But no, I mean, it's just good stuff. I don't know. Now, the cast Holy cow, what a cast. The major three, you know, tom Cruise, demi Moore and Kevin Pollak as the attorneys.
Speaker 2:The dream team, yeah. And then you've got Jack Nicholson, of course, kiefer Sutherland, noah Wiley, cuba Gooding Jr and none other than the Kevin Bacon. With that kind of a cast, this is an essential part of winning six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Well, if you don't know this movie and it's cast, then you are neglecting. You are neglecting your ability to win that game.
Speaker 4:Yes, and for those of you who were born probably before 1980, something six degrees of Kevin Bacon is a game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, I'd actually thought about doing that a couple of times on on the podcast, just having people send random, random people and then I can do the I can do the thing.
Speaker 4:six degrees to kevin bacon I think we should I think you should make that like a little sub, like a sub sect of your, of your, your podcast, every, every single one. If you can run it down to six degrees of Kevin Bacon, that's like showing off.
Speaker 2:No, I can. I can do it Like I'm. I was able to connect um John Wayne what I was able to connect John Wayne to Kevin Bacon. Huh yeah, I'm not going to reveal my secrets.
Speaker 4:Well, john Wayne to Kevin Bacon, huh yeah, I'm not going to reveal my secrets. Well, now that I see the whole list of Rob Reiner movies, I would have never guessed this was one of them, but I suppose that would be another. You could probably do Six Degrees to Rob Reiner too.
Speaker 2:Oh, probably.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think so. Yeah, all roads to Rob Reiner lead through Tom Cruise, not Tom Cruise Tom Hanks. Yes, reiner lead through.
Speaker 2:Tom Cruise, not Tom Cruise. Tom Hanks.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, definitely Tom Hanks okay, so Tom Hanks movie next actually one that I was thinking about seeing if I could find somebody that wanted to do it with me is Road to Perdition. That's a great film. That is a fantastic movie. I mean, first off, tom Hanks is arguably a bad guy. That's a great film. That is a fantastic movie. Oh my gosh. First off, tom Hanks is arguably a bad guy Like. I mean he's not a real bad guy, like because he's like he's one of those tragic good guys, but I mean he's a killer. So I mean he's a bad guy, but it's still I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 4:I haven't seen that movie in so long, and now you've made me want to go watch it again, so that might be my Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2:Oh, and the music in that movie. Oh it's so good, Anyway. So back to this one.
Speaker 4:Back to this amazing movie.
Speaker 2:We've got. I'm going to do things a little funny today. I've got the IMDB description, which is a military lawyer Lieutenant Daniel Caffey's offends Marines accused of murder. They contend that they were acting under orders. The Amazon description a young Navy lawyer risks his career to uncover the truth during a military trial.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Wait, I thought there was more to it than that.
Speaker 2:Now we're going to try something. I think you just want too much. I guess, Because most places that's the kind of description you get, and it isn't until I have to go to one of the biggest travesties in the movie culture. I have to go to Rotten Tomatoes to get something that I think that you would approve of.
Speaker 4:Okay, I'll take it. I'll take of, okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 2:I'll take it, okay, lieutenant Daniel Caffey. Tom Cruise is a military lawyer defending two US Marines charged with killing a fellow Marine at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. Although Caffey is known for seeking plea bargains, a fellow lawyer, lieutenant Commander Joanne Galloway Demi Moore, convinces him that the accused Marines are most likely carrying out an order from a commanding officer. Caffey takes a risk by calling Colonel Nathan Jessup, jack Nicholson, to the stand in an effort to uncover the conspiracy. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'd have to go to what is probably the serial killer of the movie culture, rotten Tomatoes. The worst thing to happen to movies Rotten Tomatoes is where I'd have to go to get Jamie-approved movie descriptions. Yeah, so, across the universe. This Revolution Studio production was released in 2007, was directed by Julie Taymor. Stars uh, there's tons of famous people in this movie, but the the poster names are jim sturgis, evan rachel wood and joe anderson. And, uh, the imdb description now, jamie's not on here to to you know, tell me that it's a bad one, but I think it. I mean, considering that this one's a musical and it's using Beatles music, I think that this one's actually pretty good.
Speaker 8:How does Jamie not like Across the Universe?
Speaker 2:No, she doesn't like the IMDb descriptions.
Speaker 8:Oh yeah, they can suck.
Speaker 2:But she doesn't like any of the descriptions, except for the ones from the evil one, rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 8:Oh gotcha.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they give you like three quarters of the story before they're done with their movie description wouldn't that kind of give away too much of the movie like this? Yes, rotten tomatoes is evil, we'll just leave it at that okay, fair enough now imdb. Uh description for this movie is the music of the beatles. Uh and the vietnam war form a backdrop for the romance between an upper class American girl and a poor Liverpudlian artist.
Speaker 8:That makes him sound like some kind of weird dog breed.
Speaker 2:Right, I thought the same thing. I was like I had to look it up. Is that right Liverpudlian? Yeah, so Liverpudlian, I guess, is the proper way to refer to a person from Liverpool.
Speaker 8:I feel like we should move, just because I kind of want to be known as a liverpoodlian.
Speaker 2:I don't know that I could deal with that. I could. I could. I'll tell you what if we moved to anywhere anywhere in the UK, if we were to move anywhere in the UK, I would be okay living in like, in like Leeds, I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 8:What about noodle Ludelia?
Speaker 2:Noodle Ludelia. That's a TV show, that's something else, sorry.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it does go into kind of like that toxic masculinity portion of it to a certain degree that, like in like 94 guys were still trying to figure out where they fit Right. You know you still fit right. You know you still had, uh, you still had that, that uh, attitude of like boys don't cry, right, right, uh, you know men don't have feelings. You know men just go to work and they, they take all of their feelings and they, uh, you know, they just put it in their stomach and then it eventually becomes colon cancer in their 50s and it gets cut out of their asshole. Uh, you know, I mean that was.
Speaker 6:That was still the attitude back in 94.
Speaker 6:Even for the gen x people that was still the attitude, uh, whereas now that's changed a little bit uh, you know depending on, like, where you're at in the country uh, that has changed a bit to where, like, guys are a little bit more allowed to be, you know, touchy-feely, right, you know we're we're allowed to have, you know, more of the, the emotions. But there are still some communities, some smaller towns, some areas you know, you and I live here right where, like you, still have some remnants of that, uh, that shit that's around of, like men are men. You know that, that kind of attitude right.
Speaker 2:Well, and and I mean again that does kind of point it at you know the differences in cultures between different places. Uh, within the country, I mean the midwest. As a generality, I think the midwest is pretty pretty good, uh, in the in, in the acclimation, uh sort of way coming in with some of these new ideas and everything. But, uh, I mean it's the rural areas that are kind of uh, still in the back on, um, on how they, how they feel about the new terminologies for things like toxic and healthy masculinity.
Speaker 2:Now, the ideas themselves. I guess really, it's just kind of one of those things where, uh, where it really just depends on you know, where, the, where the person has has grown up and where they allow themselves to recognize the culture as it changes and whether it's okay, like it's almost like they're waiting for the rest of their, of their people, to tell them that the change is okay, right, yep, exactly, and you have a whole group of people waiting for the rest of their group to say that it's okay. Then nobody says okay, right, exactly, yeah, yeah, they, they took all of their hurt and and sadness and and all of that stuff and stuffed it and you know, deep down in themselves. They bottled it all up and and they're just waiting for it to fucking explode, correct? Um? You know, uh, which? For all those people who who hear about explosions in the midwest, those aren't meth labs. Those are just angry white, middle aged white dudes that are finally exploding from all of their emotions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's both.
Speaker 6:But yeah, I mean you're, you're absolutely right. I mean that that that kind of repression Right, you know that turns into that turns into domestic violence, that turns into alcoholism, that turns into self damaging behavior, you know addiction. Yes, yeah, exactly. Uh, self-damaging behavior, uh, you know. Addiction yes, yeah, exactly. You know it turns into a lot of really bad, negative shit because they it never gets, you know, worked out of their system right.
Speaker 2:One of the other things uh that, like in particular in this story that kind of came up, was the whole uh blowjobs versus sex thing oh man yeah yeah, when, when she freaked, when he freaks out on on his girlfriend because you know, like, she had said that she had slept with three guys, he had slept, slept with 12, and she kind of freaked out on him a little bit about, you know, sleeping with 12 women, um, but then then it comes out a little bit later, like five minutes later, that she had that she had fellated 36 dudes, yeah, and she didn't consider that to be sex. And he freaked out and was was abusing her, he was verbally abusing, this was.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I mean, he was, he was completely out of line in his, in his response to it. And it points to a couple of things, you know. Like one, it points to the double standard. Uh, you know that. Uh, you know, like, at he was fine with the stat, you know, with the cards being stacked in his direction, but he was not okay when it was stacked in her direction, like then it became this big, this whole big to do, uh, but but it was also, you know it, it talked about or it spoke to, um, the definition, the, the definition of sex or lack of right. You know where it's like. You know, sex is sex, but blowjobs are just blowjobs. Right, wait a fucking minute yeah, well, and that's I.
Speaker 2:that's a conversation I remember having you know, in in the late 90s and in early 2000s, even at our Perkins gatherings. I remember that, coming up a couple of times, people arguing on either side, one or the other, you know, is oral sex. Is that sex? Well, I mean, first off, it's called oral sex, correct, so yes, it is. Yes, you know and all this other stuff.
Speaker 6:If the clinical term involves sex, well then, yes, Right.
Speaker 2:So well, although then that would also by definition also make phone sex sex, yes, which, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 6:Well, psychologically it is.
Speaker 2:psychologically, that's what it is yeah, so OK, yeah, so yeah, it fits the bill. So, okay, yeah, so yeah it, it fits the bill. Um, higher expectations, uh, of her than he has of himself was was the other part that I had of that. Oh yeah, um, he, like you said, he was okay when he was the one that was that was winning, quote unquote you know, um, jen and I actually just had a conversation about this earlier today, not this very specific thing, but how everything today needs and really, since I can remember, needs to be a competition, right, like everybody is always in competition with everybody else at all times, and so, like I don't know that his, his problem was really that she had had, uh, that she had fellated, 36 other dudes, or that it was that he was losing right, yeah, yeah, yeah, because the numbers were against him, yeah right, like it was more of a competition that he was just now suddenly losing.
Speaker 2:Yeah and uh. But when he was 12 to 3, then god damn it, he's the man and he's in charge. You know, like I just uh, I don't know, but uh, yeah, that's, that's kind of what, uh, what kind of came up for that and it's so much of a that's so much of a typical like double standard.
Speaker 6:When you, when you're talking about you, when you're looking at like the, the differences of, like how we treat sex and the genders, you know that that is a very typical double standard. It's thankfully we're getting away with, you know, we're getting away from that in, like the later generations, to where it's more that like nobody gives a shit. But especially like when, when you and I were teenagers, um, that was very much a thing you know, like, if, you know if, if a chick had, uh, you know if, uh, if a woman had slept with like more than like two or three guys, oh, my god, she's a whore, you know like yeah, you know, like you, you had all sorts of colorful, terrible, horrible names that you would throw out to somebody.
Speaker 6:But yet, if you knew a guy and he was lying his ass off uh, you know, because this doesn't happen at 16 in nebraska but you know, if you knew a guy that said that he'd nailed, like you know, 12 different chicks or something, that guy was a stud. You know, he was an absolute king of you know 12 different chicks or something. That guy was a stud, you know he was an absolute king of men.
Speaker 2:you know, he was a hero Correct.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, he was the baddest, baddest motherfucker in the land, but no, no, I mean, that guy is just as much of a whore.
Speaker 2:Or so, actually, why is he a whore? Or why is he a hero and not?
Speaker 6:a war? Yeah, exactly, exactly yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:Uh, I'm glad that. I'm glad that we've kind of gotten a little bit more away from that, like you've said, like I've at least in, at least in our social circles. I don't know if it's changed with some of the younger, uh, some of the younger populations or whatever, but I think as uh, you like the, the, the younger generations, not, you know now, granted, I don't.
Speaker 6:I don't have kids and I'm not spending a whole lot of time with Zoomers because I don't need to be. I have no real business being around Gen Z, it's just creepy. At this point, however, I think some of the younger generations, they are a lot more sex positive, so there's a lot less to be ashamed about, and I think that is where a lot of this comes into yeah, well, and and that's that's very true uh, I mean this back when this movie was made, that was still something that was it's still taboo yeah yeah, gen x, gen x before us, of course.
Speaker 2:How old are you?
Speaker 6:uh, I'll be 40 here in a couple months oh, okay, so you're.
Speaker 2:You're a millennial with me, correct?
Speaker 6:but at the same time, because we were in the midwest- like, yeah, we're, we're, we are, on paper, elder millennials, but because we're here in the midwest and because we were both, you know, growing up with a working poor, uh, we, we kind, were honorary Gen X because we didn't have some of the same social things, some of the same social cues that other millennials of our time would have had.
Speaker 2:Right Now. This is something that my sister's generation I feel like she's like five years older than me. I feel like that because she was, let's see, uh, 15 when this came out. Okay, so like. So she would have been more in that, in that kind of social area where that stuff would have been a little bit more she's exactly their audience.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:so I mean, that's I. I feel like that gen x did a really good job of kind of trailblazing the whole. You know, let's not make, let's not make this whole thing a religious thing or a judgment thing or whatever, and let's just call it what it is it's sex and it's something that some people enjoy and some people don't, and some people enjoy it in other ways. And so why do we have to make a big deal about it and just normalize it and make it a regular thing and not pretend that it's some you know some thing that you have to keep hidden somewhere?
Speaker 6:but you're applying logic to people's naughty parts, ben, and how dare you that's, that's exactly it.
Speaker 2:so so I feel like Gen X did a really great job of kind of trailblazing that and and I feel like that, really, when it comes to uh, when it comes to really, you know, sealing that deal, I feel like the millennials did a perfect job of of finishing it.
Speaker 6:We did a lot better. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and and so I think that, uh, I think that a lot of that stuff has kind of gone away. Um, I mean, of course, there's the exceptions. We live in the rural Midwest so there's still, there's still a lot of that religious influence on on. Uh, you know how, how it's bad, just because you know Jesus doesn't like to think that you're, you know, pulling your pud.
Speaker 2:Burn the witch, get the scarlet letter Like he's had no reason to go outside of himself and do something for somebody else, and now that he's faced with something where, when it actually matters, he does, when it actually matters, he does, and so that that kind of brings brings to mind in a concept that I've I've I've kind of talked with people on on and off again about, uh, now and again, and that's the idea that that humans and people are inherently good, that all of us, that all of us have this part of us that wants to be good, and that some people just get lost from their way on it.
Speaker 11:Oh, totally.
Speaker 11:I think a lot of it's a lot of it has to do with your environment that you're raised in you know, and just you know, like if you're trying to be good and you're going and doing it and doing it and doing it, but all you get is nothing but negativity and you get crushed back down and you know you're never shown to be good to other people.
Speaker 11:All you see is the villainy of the world. It's it's hard to be a good person when all you see is the negativity. Right like you can, you can bust through that. You know there's always that chance. One meeting of like say, like you, your guidance counselor was somebody in high school that you know you're really, really struggling and then that one thing that they said to you like opened your mind and made you push harder to be a better person right yeah yeah, I mean and I hope, like I mean it'd be really nice if everybody had one of those people, I mean, and I think that everybody has access to somebody like that if they really allowed themselves to venture out and find them.
Speaker 2:But I do think that there are also people out there that don't have that feel like they don't have somebody that they can go to. That can kind of help them come back to themselves as people and stay true to the good part of them that they have.
Speaker 11:Sometimes it's being that person that can bring you back Right. Being that person for somebody else can give you that satisfaction and bring you back in a sense. I have so many stray kids at my house that just wander in and out of teenagers and, like I, try to be that adult around them. You know, like if they're having a bad day it's just like I. It's, it sucks, like it. It's a shitty experience, but life does get better. You know. If you want it to, then it will will, right you have to.
Speaker 2:I mean that's really important to have. I mean it is extremely important for kids to have kind of that older, wiser sort of influence that a lot of kids don't get, honestly, and a lot of them do, like a lot of people tend to. That tends to be their parents, right, you know, like a lot of like your oldest I know. Yeah. You are the older, wiser, kind person that your oldest goes to.
Speaker 11:Yeah, well, and the funny thing is like we basically raised each other because you know, I was a baby having a baby you know, like you were a kid with a kid yeah, we were. We were going through life together like we both had to figure out a lot of things and I had, like I didn't use her as like my emotional support rock, but when I would come home and I hear, daddy, that's all I needed, that's that got me up the next morning, you know what was it?
Speaker 2:It was, I think it was Petey, wasn't it?
Speaker 8:That was having some troubles and then, like um coach, pulled him off the line and said he kept, he kept dropping the ball and Boone got mad and is like no, you're killing me, pd, and like take this ball and just start running.
Speaker 2:Right, and he took him off the line and then Yost went over and was like, talking to him and being like you know, okay, well, why don't you go ahead and play on my line? You know you play on defense and we'll see if we can get you to to figure out a different position here in the coaching room. Yost points out hey, man, like you're really, you're really beating up these kids and and you're really beating up their, their feelings. You know, like and and that's that is the place of an assistant coach. Um, the assistant coach is more of the friend coach, whereas head coaches are not so much. But it was, it was different Coach Boone. Uh, he, he turned around and he said you know, I noticed that that all of these kids that you're going in and coddling their feelings and making them feel better, those are all. Those are all the black players. You don't do that with any white players. It was almost like Boone was calling Yost out on, on are all the black players. You don't do that with any white players.
Speaker 8:It was almost like Boone was calling Yost out on on believing that the white players were more emotionally capable. Well, ok, there is one side to that. To be fair, he, he knows the white players like he knows those kids, except for Louie and Sunshine, like he, he knows those kids. So heie and sunshine, like he, he knows those kids so he knows what they can handle.
Speaker 2:Right, but it still gave him pause, it still, it still made Yost stop and think you know, am am I treating them different? That scene really stuck with me, and and a lot of it is because because it shows how prejudice can exist in the in the tiniest corners of a person's mind in a way that they don't even know that it's there. And he started to realize that in that moment and I felt like that was a really pivotal point of the movie and a very pivotal point for the development of Yost as he would become who he became in the movie. Towards the end of the movie, yost had had another growing moment too. Later on, I mean, things were all starting to get really good and integrated and everything like that. They were all buddies, you know, and all of that good stuff. Boone was actually babysitting Yost's daughter Cheryl. They were sitting at Boone's home watching tape.
Speaker 8:When he thought that Cheryl was going to be playing with his daughter. Instead, she was criticizing his coach.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So they were watching film and then a brick came through the window. Boone gets up, he gets a shotgun, does what any, what any man protecting his home would do, and he didn't. He didn't go crazy about it or anything, but he wasn't friendly when talking about it in public. In public he was being a little antagonistic with the people who had attacked his home. Which I mean, on one hand, yes, you can't show that you're afraid, but at the same time you also have to be very careful when you have family, you know. And so Yost, recognizing that had had suggested to Boone maybe a little bit of humility, and Boone called him out for that too. You know, like I mean, these two are constantly just challenging each other in every way possible.
Speaker 8:Well, I think it was really the way that you said. It was because he said you know, I don't want your sins affecting my daughter.
Speaker 2:Well, and that came a little bit later, yeah, Like just a little bit, a few moments later when, when he said you know, my daughter was in your home, you do this stuff when my kid is around you. That puts my kid in danger, and about the time that you think that he has a point, you know that he has the last word and, yeah, he's right. When you have other people's children around you, you have, you have a different kind of responsibility. But then Boone flipped it right back around again and said, yeah, and now your daughter has a taste of what my daughter's life is like every day. That was another point where, where Yost, they go to that closeup. You know that that money shot right there, you know, framing his face perfectly, just for him to to show you shit, know there's, there is so much here that I hadn't thought about and that is that, is it?
Speaker 3:um, can I just say like throughout this entire movie with multiple different characters, they showed a lot just with facial oh god yeah expressions yeah uh, one thing that really got me with the the cinematography on this is just how they do the battle scenes is just really well done for midi. Any medieval movie or any movie that shows like medieval style combat to have that many people on on you know in in frame at a single time is is a really big nightmare. Um, they did it brilliantly right. Every battle looks so good like you almost forget you're watching the movie and that that's really the sign for me is like when I forget that I'm actually like watching this right, a lot of that is because of, uh, another movie, um, it's a ridley scott movie, uh, so I'm pretty sure you've probably heard of it, called gladiator oh, of course yeah yeah, are
Speaker 2:you not entertained yeah, gladiator revolutionized on screen warfare like that, I that, that medieval and, and you know, old style warfare. Uh, the gladiator movie, if it really is the the cutoff point, because if you watch anything before that there's, there is something that is very uncomfortable about it, like it just, it just seems like it's it's derivative and and not what you think it should be. But that chaos that was created in gladiator, um, when ridley scott made that, that first fight with the, with the germanics and it was just yeah, the barbarians or whatever.
Speaker 2:It changed everything and and after that point that is how warfare is done so, like I mean it's it's really cool how they did that, but that movie and this movie kind of connect in a way we're not only because of that.
Speaker 2:The other thing that that kind of caught my attention about this movie was the music. Oh yeah, the music for both of these movies was done by hans zimmer, which wow. So a lot of people will tell you that John Williams is the best music in Hollywood, and you know if you're, if you're arguing you're right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean Harry Potter.
Speaker 2:enough said well, I mean Harry, but you name a great movie. It's uncanny how, most of the time that you think of one of the greatest movies of all time that you think of one of the greatest movies of all time you know in in various different genres, a lot of the time you will find that John Williams did the music for it. So it's it's so uncanny how coincidental that is that it could almost be argued that John Williams is what makes a movie great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, um, that was one thing I remember in in when I was going to college was that we watched the intro to the 1986 Top Gun, the original Top Gun, and we watched it once with you know, just that opening scene where it's just the aircraft carrier and and people are walking around doing their jobs on aircraft carrier and and you know. But we watch that scene. It's got the highway to the danger zone, you know, uh, music and it's just kicking up and and you just get so amped up into that. It's so well done with all like the montage shots and everything right. But then you watch that exact same scene, that same montage, without any music, and it's completely flat, it has no impact whatsoever, like it just looks like people on a navy boat doing their navy jobs.
Speaker 2:You know right which, and and yeah, I mean that it does show you how important music is.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the music after I saw that like I've never been able to watch movies the same way.
Speaker 2:Um you're so without noticing the music and and how it might be affecting you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah but like, but with, with all of that in mind, about, you know, john Williams writing so many, so many scores for so many movies that are so big. How is there room for any other great people to make music? Well, hans Zimmer is one of those people and when you look at what he has, uh, as far as you know, his credits go uh for for movies and things like that. I mean we're talking gladiator, last samurai dune, I mean there's, there's, you can't, you can't, even you know, dune dune, I think is probably one of the most incredible movie soundtracks.
Speaker 2:Uh, the the new dune yeah yeah, uh, not to say that toto did a bad job in in the 80s movie, but but, uh, I think really the best way to to differentiate between john williams and han zimmer is that john williams, john williams writes the scores of our lives. Okay, what do you?
Speaker 3:mean by that Hans.
Speaker 2:Zimmer. Hans Zimmer writes the scores of our souls.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, when you finish that. Yeah, I totally understand. I can understand what you're trying to say there. It's like, yeah, williams, he really makes it more feel like it's part of the everyday life, but then Zimmer can just really touch you, like really get inside you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's nothing to stop you from remembering anything that John Williams writes, but but Hans Zimmer? Hans Zimmer can bring you to tears if you let him. Absolutely. It's I don't know, it's just it's crazy. This is. This is one of the ones that I was really looking forward to. Getting into Women's role in a kitchen. You have Mark down Colette's monologue about having to fight for everything in a system designed to keep her kind of in her place, sort of thing. I've actually got a soundbite for that. I'm going to go ahead and play that.
Speaker 10:No, you listen. I just want you to know exactly who you are dealing with. How many women do you see in this kitchen? Well, I Only me. Go ahead and play that, Mia. How did this happen? Because, well, because you, Because I'm the toughest cook in this kitchen. I have worked too hard for too long to get here and I am not going to jeopardize it for some garbage. Boy who got lucky Got it. Go home.
Speaker 2:I love that scene.
Speaker 5:That was really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the way that I mean. She's stabbing those knives through his sleeve, his coat sleeve, and slowly pinning him to the table and he just doesn't know what to say. Because he he starts off that conversation trying to be like super cool and and suave. He's all like you know, I just want you to know.
Speaker 5:And she's like boom, no, this is not happening.
Speaker 2:So, uh, first off, I I kind of want to, I kind of want to ask you, uh, what's your opinion on Colette kind of representing women, uh, in a kitchen as as a character? Um, because I I haven't worked in a lot of kitchens, but I feel like there's a lot of Colette's in kitchens.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'll get um. Yeah, I'll get um, I'll get more specifically into, like female chefs, um, but colette actually represents something. I really wish my, my wife, was actually here for this part, like that she could weigh in, because having that perspective is really, I think, important and it's missing in not just this industry but overall. And the thing is is that the way that my wife puts it is that females in any industry is they have to be two or three times as hard as any man that's there aren't always allowed to show emotions, they can't admit that they're overwhelmed, they can't have normal breakdowns Like a guy can, can have a breakdown in the walk-in or whatever and talk about it and like brush it off and whatever.
Speaker 5:But but women are really treated on this other level where if they do anything there, you know they can be seen as emotional or you know they they aren't given the same opportunities or they're given less pay and I think that overall that is absolutely not cool. And there's there's a lot of times in the kitchen where front of house doesn't treat. They'll look right past the female chefs and try to find a male chef and talk to them, the female chefs and try to find a male chef and talk to them. You know, even though somebody might be standing right next to me, that's a woman that is completely more qualified than meeting answer that question. And a lot of times when you see these successful women, you will notice that there is this, this, uh, obviously in Colette it's, you know, slightly exaggerated for for what the message is, but you will notice there's a lot of women that have that kind of hardness about them because, you know, so many industries are male dominated because they have to.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, they it's, and that is very true. Uh, I mean, in a lot of industries, even, it's a lot of the time, it's ignored. But even even in industries that are female dominated, you look at a lot of those industries, but you look at the leadership, and the leadership is all men and so you have, you have, you know, an industry that is primarily women workers all vying for these upper positions, that it's like you know they're fighting so hard to get there Just to run into this block, that a lot of the time men are are picked for those, those positions. So I mean, and it happens all the way from you know, your, your, your saucier, to your sous chef, to your, you know, to your chef, but but I mean it, it happens in the whole restaurant. Like I mean, how many I really, I really do, like how they really punch it into your face with Colette's attitude. I love it, it is so Absolutely.
Speaker 5:I thought that was a really great scene. And yeah, also, you know, I want to add something that I always say when any kinds of things like this come up is inevitably you're going to get a comment somewhere, whether it's on your channel or in your comments on podcasts Like, well, I'm a female chef owner or whatever. And the way that I say, the way that I see this is you know, there are literally billions of people on Earth, right? Anything that we say, there's always going to be going to be exceptions.
Speaker 5:There's always going to be female business owners or female managers, sous chefs, all of that. Who's the sous chef on hell's kitchen? I forgot her name. I like her. Oh, I know her name. Until I go to say it, it's not yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2:I don't remember I did really quick, tough as nails, though actually she was always one of my favorite parts of uh hell's kitchen when I'd be watching. Uh, I'd always love it when he would go, get all the different orders and stuff like that, take them into the kitchen, start shouting them out and everything and then, like you can see her running from station to station and and making christina, I knew it was christina, yeah she's, she's kick-ass man like yeah, and she's not just the sous chef, but she's like in charge of his whole brand.
Speaker 5:Right, like it's pretty awesome position yeah.
Speaker 2:But again, I mean, is that an exception? I mean you, you definitely, you definitely see successful women in, you know the kitchen industry, but again, it is the amount of work that is applied I think is a lot of the time not equal. I really liked how, how they, they muscled that in a little bit. I don't, I don't know that it was subtle at all, but I do love.
Speaker 5:I do love how they put it in. You just think, oh man, she's mad, and you know yeah.
Speaker 2:Again, that's another one of those things where it's like that's content that is made for grownups that is put into a kid's movie so that grownups can still get something out of the movie, which is why I'm not afraid to have kids movies on my podcast, even though I'm 40. So, um, but yeah, I, I really did love that part of the movie. So why don't we just go ahead and jump right into the characters? Tell me about. Tell me about Pete and Ellie. We'll we'll into the characters. Tell me about Pete and Ellie. We'll have Jamie talk about Pete and Ellie.
Speaker 4:Oh, pete and Ellie, there were so many pieces because I just rewatched it. I haven't seen it for a couple years. I'm rewatching it again. You know, in prep for this it was like all of these little things kind of popped out at me, like how they're so hopeful, like it, and kind of blind, and totally do that whole like, oh, this is going to be a challenge. And they're like, oh, we know, we know, we know Right, but it's not really going to be a challenge, like we're just going to ignore it, ignore it.
Speaker 4:I also thought it was fascinating about how they're trying to be so perfect and in doing that, they mess it up all the time, like they say the wrong things and they do the wrong things because they're so worried about doing it wrong, like trying to get it right. And I remember that feeling, sitting in our foster care class doing the same thing, like really measuring what I had to say and really monitoring what I said before I said it, cause I didn't want to not get a license before we even finished the class Right, like I didn't want to get kicked out. So, um, I don't want to get kicked out. So, um, I think what's fascinating is how, how their motives like you can see their motive shift throughout the movie.
Speaker 4:Um, in the beginning times, yeah, yeah, and in the beginning, I you know when, when Lizzie asked Ellie like why did you, why did you take us? You know like, why did you pick us? And she didn't have an answer for that. And then by the end, it was like when it was possible that they weren't going to be able to be together, it was like then she figured it out, she knew exactly why they were there. You know, which was kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I, I, uh, I that that was probably one of the moments that, like that, I really had to stop. I actually paused the movie when she asked her you know why, why are you doing this? Why are you adopting us? She stammered a bunch and she was like, yeah, exactly, you know, and walked away. I had to pause it for a second and be like you know, like, of all of the reasons that people say that they're adopting, what way would that be okay for kids? You know, like well, we want to adopt because we want to fill a hole in our lives. Well, I mean, if you ask a kid who was in foster care, hannah, would, would that make you feel good? Like I want you to be a part of my family, to make my, my, life whole, like it. Does that, does that make it seem selfish to you, or is that like?
Speaker 7:I mean, I guess it's kind of like 50 50, but it's more like you're doing it for your own benefit and not mine, if that makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 2:So so it wouldn't be unusual for for a kid to feel that way, and that that's kind of what went through my head with. With that was, you know, lizzie? Lizzie has got to be thinking that these people are not doing this for me, these people are not doing this for my brother and sister. These people are, that's enough.
Speaker 4:Moxie has something to say too. She was recently adopted as well, so she may have something to add to this conversation. Lay down, lay down lay down. Anyway.
Speaker 2:So um, so yeah, I mean, I hope I mean it. It's gotta there's gotta be times where it goes through a kid's head that you know that you're not doing this for you, you're not or you're not doing this for me. You, all of this heartache and and all of these things, you know, you think that I have to do this. You know like I can, I can stop this at any time, and and you know, and then you can go back with the muskies which, by the way, just so everybody's on the same page those people were actually married the the creepy foster family that they came from.
Speaker 4:Well, she's an actress. I mean, I've seen her in other things, but I had never seen him before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those, those are actually husband and wife. That's crazy, and they do look like brother and sister. It's so weird. But yeah, it's uh. Yeah, that's a real thing. Um, but yeah, I mean, she could totally at any time have been like I, I don't, I don't want to do this anymore, you can go home. I don't know that it was right for her to throw that at a, at a, you know, 15 year old girl.
Speaker 4:But there were several times where I was just like oh no, no, no, no, no. And in that moment, even, even in that scene, I'm like don't mess this up. Don't mess this up. You know, she needs to hear the right thing from you right now. Oh no, yeah.
Speaker 2:So so yeah, Pete and Ellie, like it was, it was really fun to watch their struggles, because that's that's what made the movie interesting was their struggles. But, um, but at the same time, like I, I really loved how their, how their struggles were also, um, I mean, they, they, they, they brought in that awkwardness that people will sometimes have in those situations where they say the wrong thing but it's because they don't know the right way to say those right things. But anyway, next on the list I got Lizzie. Somebody's perspective on three foster kids in a FOSADOP situation. I should probably get it from an opinion of somebody who's been there. So, hannah, tell me about Lizzie, juan and Lita he want in lita.
Speaker 7:Well, I just think that lizzie was like this cute little girl that had just so much you know, punk and sass, and was just the cutest thing and I felt like one. I kind of related to a little bit, because I've talked to my mom and she just said that when I first came into her care I was just this scared little girl that just sat on the couch and didn't know what to do at all and just watched Isaiah rummage around the house and act like a crazy kid.
Speaker 2:You were timid. You were all kinds of timid when you first came in, except when it came to electronics. You took to electronics like nothing, like tablets and laptops. Do you, do you remember that first night? I don't, oh, I don't, she was at. Yes, I also remember her affinity for a Kindle and yes, yes, yeah, there were, there were, especially in the beginning. There were definitely some Juan things about Hannah Lita, though I don't think that she really had much of Lita until later.
Speaker 4:I was going to say when she came back yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 2:of L you think alita?
Speaker 7:me yeah, um, yeah, I just oh, I think I got the name switched around in the beginning. I totally did, because I meant to say lita was just like this, like this sassy girl, and she was just yeah. What my way, or the highway, you know, is the type of attitude that came across off. So potato chips yes, potato chips or nothing?
Speaker 2:yes, um, so okay, so that was lita. What about? What about lizzie?
Speaker 7:lizzie. I kind of connected with more because, as it went on, like my mom was just this annoying person that was just always on me and oh my gosh, just leave me alone. And oh, she doesn't know anything, but in the end she was always right about everything, which is hard for me to say, but it's just on recorded history, people.
Speaker 4:That is, it is it.
Speaker 2:It's on the internet, so it's not going anywhere now. But yeah, so you got this guy that pursues his dream after the Air Force and he's doing a great job. He gets into the audition, plays the same old tired tune, and the guy tells him has a come to Jesus moment with him about gospel music and the reality that it doesn't sell anymore. You know, and and told him you know, if you're dying in that gutter and you could sing one song, what would it be? Is it going to be that or is it going to be something else? And then that's when he sings in Folsom blues and lands the label, gets on the, on the tour and starts making all of that money. And and his wife still isn't happy before that she just wanted him to sell some appliances. You know, like, come on now. I don't feel bad for her. I feel kind of bad for Johnny Cash, but then I also want to call him a son of a bitch.
Speaker 8:Right.
Speaker 2:Well, cause he goes on tour, and then he meets June Carter, like the June Carter, the one that he's been listening to since he was, you know. God only knows how young this, this woman, was made to be his main squeeze.
Speaker 8:Made to be his main squeeze.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean the kid. The kid obsessed over listening to that girl sing on the radio his whole life, and then he finally meets her, and then he starts performing with her. Like they clearly have a connection, you know, like from the very first time they talk. And how convenient is it that she is at that time going through a divorce like, or just or just coming out of a divorce?
Speaker 8:but he gets.
Speaker 2:He gets a little stalkery yeah, he does it gets that's, that's cringy leaves a little bit of a, a little bit of a you know nasty coconutty type aftertaste in your mouth you missed original why do they have to add the coconut?
Speaker 8:I prefer the original now, that's a tv show you got after me. It is a tv show.
Speaker 2:But yeah, well, actually while they're on tour, when she's like when, when they're starting to figure out that that a little bit of electricity that they have between them. You know, johnny makes a, makes a Uh, that was actually a really great scene because she gave him a copy of Khalil Gibran's the Prophet. That's a really good book. I had no idea that that that would have been something on June Carter's radar at all, but yeah anyway, um, but he tries to kiss June, uh, and June shows why he is, is why he is attracted to her. Yep, because this is something that any little boy who grew up with with a strong mom knows is that you have to look for strong women. You can't have women that you can walk over, and she sure put a stop to it like twice boom, here is your boundary and you're not going past it well, and she didn't do it in a rude way.
Speaker 8:She's like I'm going through some stuff.
Speaker 2:This is inappropriate right and then when he tried it again, she's like what did I just tell you? Like she almost got on his case like a five-year-old so. But yeah, I mean she, she really enforced her boundaries and she wasn't going to back down from him. And that, I think, is why Johnny Cash was so attracted to June Carter, was because she was a strong woman that wasn't going to be walked on.
Speaker 8:And then he went and watched boys blow things up, and then he went because he got shot down.
Speaker 2:He went and did the angsty teenager thing and started blowing shit up.
Speaker 8:And that's when trouble started.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is, because Elvis showed up along with, you know, the rest of the rest of the crew, and they've got dexedrine, which is an amphetamine. It's a prescription pill and I don't know, it's possible that you, you know a few of them, had that prescription, but I'm damn certain that they weren't prescribed to take two, three, four, five pills at a time, you know so. Uh, so I mean, they were getting high is what they were doing and drinking, taking dexedrine and drinking and blowing things up and blowing things up like horrible combination of shit here.
Speaker 8:Can I just say that I love that whole little thing with. Does your wife know you like to blow things up? And he's like why do you think I married her Right?
Speaker 2:But yeah, when, when he gets, when he gets into that pill popping thing, then I mean that that pretty well, that starts a decline and it's very, very slow. It's very insidious in this movie but but it amplifies and you can.
Speaker 8:You can actually see the, the levels of of amplification as he spirals into into oblivion well, in a majority of the time that he well, at least in the movie that he starts popping those pills is when he's having issues with june right.
Speaker 2:Well, and and that's how it starts it starts when, when he's, you know, frustrated and and having big emotions, you know. But then that when the when the addiction takes hold, and then he just starts taking it all the time, and then he has to take it to feel normal, you know, after they take a big long break and everything, they get back on tour, uh, and he falls deeper into addiction, where he just he needs to have those pills regularly, several times a day, you know, just to function as, as a normal person would. And by doing doing that, he alienates a lot of people, of course, first off his wife, because he's nothing but tired. When he's home, you know, absolutely exhausted.
Speaker 8:His kids look like they're afraid of him, uh, because he doesn't look human, I don't well, I don't know if they're so much afraid of him or if it's they thought that he was like sick or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he didn't look well.
Speaker 8:No, god no.
Speaker 2:He was pushing away even the tour. He was providing the venues and the publications and all of that stuff. He was taking care of all the front work and he was doing it quote unquote as a favor for June so that she had work.
Speaker 8:And because he missed her.
Speaker 2:And so he, I mean he started this whole tour. And then they, his addiction gets deeper and it gets so bad that he almost makes his heart explode by taking so many pills. And I don't I don't remember where that was. Was that Texarkana, or was that Grand Ole Opry? I don't remember which.
Speaker 8:Uh, Texarkana was the, the bomb and the kisses.
Speaker 2:Oh right.
Speaker 8:I don't remember where that, oh, it might have been because he, because when he light yeah, when he kicked the light and he kicked the drum set and yeah, all of that and then he, and then he collapsed because he damn near made his heart explode yeah, that was at the opry okay, and so, yeah, he wasn't allowed back there after that.
Speaker 2:That was his first opportunity there, collapsing on stage in the middle of a performance. They closed the curtains, and I mean even his band, even the Tennessee three come to him and say dude, here is a plane ticket, go the fuck home.
Speaker 8:Yeah, they said it was canceled and he said according to who?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Cause he's the boss, right? Yeah well, there's no show if there's no band.
Speaker 8:Right.
Speaker 2:You know, and they told him to get his ass home and to take care of himself. He doesn't have much of a choice, but June took his pills, so he didn't have any pills, and he's, of course, going to figure out a way to do it. Well, you've got a man that's got more money than the Pope at this point, so his resources are through the roof. He just goes to Mexico and buys a bunch. I mean, when he got busted at the border, he had over 600 pills of dexedrine and over 400 downers of some kind I don't even remember what they were and over 400 downers of some kind. I don't even remember what they were. But the guy had over a thousand pills and he got busted at the border. How fast do you think somebody would go through that?
Speaker 8:He was going through that stuff like it was nothing. Well, yeah, because when he first took it you saw them pour Not like say hey, here's one.
Speaker 2:They poured them in the hand and took all of them yeah, they weren't handing him pills like you hand somebody you know a medication. They were. They were sharing pills like they were fucking skittles yeah like I mean it just good god their taste in a different kind of rainbow the only two that I have by themselves. The first one is bethany. She kind of stands alone on her own.
Speaker 9:Tell me kind of how you felt about bethany as a character bethany seemed whiny in the beginning, always, you know, being down I, I think. I think Janine's Galafo's character, liz said it best where she mourned her faith.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, her best friend at the abortion clinic yeah, she did. She did kind of seem just uh, a little bit on the emo side. Uh, before emo was a thing, uh and and yeah, it really did seem to kind of circle around her faith because she said, you know, she, she would go to church and when she was a kid she felt that, you know, she felt alive and and all of those things, and then now she doesn't feel anything and and yeah. So I mean, I think that she kind of hit it right on the head when she kind of described how how Bethany feels about her faith now Not that she doubts it Like and I think that's something that's kind of important to to point out is that it's not because Bethany has lost faith. She still has it, she still goes to church, she still prays and all of that. It's just that she doesn't feel the connection anymore. That's the best way of putting it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now the next set of people I got is the prophets, the apostle and the muse. The prophets I love that Jay and Silent Bob were the prophets, because I love that they were that important the characters of Jay and Silent Bob are always they're always this somewhat pivotal point in a movie that they're in, like in Mallrats it was they were. They allowed for, you know, for the story to continue in a way that was thought-provoking and everything, by interrupting the show and getting the people backstage high and all that stuff. In this one, I mean they, they really were the protectors. I mean they were, they were the gatekeepers for bethany. They, they made sure that she was safe in whatever way it took, while also trying to get into her pants the whole time this is true.
Speaker 9:They do make some great jokes with that yes, yes, the.
Speaker 2:I think the the one of my favorite. One of my favorite like images from the movie is when they're on the bridge after they killed her car and they were and they were just kind of going back and forth and then she goes nobody is fucking me, like it was just, it was just a really good line, and she and Florentino just delivered it with.
Speaker 2:With on a silver platter. It was perfect and great. And that was shortly before they met the apostle, the 13th apostle, played by, played by by Chris Rock of all people. What do you think of Chris Rock of all people? What do you think of Chris Rock as the apostle? What do you think of that character?
Speaker 9:I got introduced to Chris Rock as an early teen and in his comedy he's always been edgy. So him as a 13th apostle who was taken out of the Bible because he was black is funny as hell to me.
Speaker 2:I don't know that it gets any edgier than that, especially in 1999, because 1999 was still before more people had accepted that. The likelihood that Jesus was black and that many of his apostles would also likely be black, it was still kind of fringe thinking in the late 90s, but I feel like that it is more widely accepted than it was at that time, and I think that might have been part of the point that Kevin Smith had having a 13th black apostle. It was left out simply because he was a black man. He did talk about how Jesus was black. Yep yeah, they just neglected. How Jesus was black.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, they just neglected it was black and then, uh, jay goes, so does that mean bethany's part black? You're right, it cracks me up and and it makes me laugh so hard. I, I love the, I love the. The jay and silent bob element in in kevin smith's movies, them, added together with Chris Rock being the intelligent guy that corrects the two of them when they're just being stupid, is just perfect.
Speaker 2:Although it's really only Jay that he picks on, like he seems to be on a level with Silent Bob, and you can kind of tell when Silent Bob gives him that coat and he's all like you know, his shit's going to be rubbing up on the inside of your coat and everything. He's all like, whatever, you know, just brush it off. And then, yeah, he's like you know he. They just have this moment where they're like looking at each other and they're like, yeah, yeah, we get it. You know this guy's a pain in the ass, but we're okay, you know, just so, yeah, that was really good. And then, uh, of of that trio or, I guess, quadrio maybe, uh, the muse, uh, the muse comes in in a strip club of all places. Um, serendipity, uh, what do you? What do you think of the muse?
Speaker 9:as she puts it, it's not hard to to have men give money to strippers.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 9:It's easy to have them, you know, be inspired to give more money, but it's harder to keep those ideas to yourself.
Speaker 2:That was kind of her whole hangup was. You know, she was where a lot of those ideas came from, but she never got any of the credit. One smart person to combat Jay was not enough, so they needed a second one. So they brought in the muse. Now the next one, the angels.
Speaker 2:The angels are many in this, and I'm kind of including Asriel in that as well, because you know demons, angels kind of thing. The first ones we meet, bartleby and Loki, two disenfranchised angels that have been cast to earth. Worst of all, wisconsin I don't hate Wisconsin, but cast off to Wisconsin and they're told that they're going to be there for eternity and they're not allowed back into heaven. And then they get this anonymous tip off on how to get there and they don't think about the consequences but instead they want to get back into their old jobs, especially Loki with the fire and brimstone. That's taking it back to quite a bit of the old Testament there and just kind of making it. There's two guys that are very old school, that are in the modern world. They understand the modern world because they've lived through to that point, but they've still got these old world ideas.
Speaker 9:How do you feel about the two main angels in this, before we even start getting into the Metatron and all of that I think the play that they have on each other with, you know, Bartleby and Loki Bartleby's the one who's smart Air quotes smarter than Lokiki's. The brawn where barterbees lee brains. And then you got ben affleck and matt damon playing off each other and they just work those guys have always worked.
Speaker 2:Uh, I mean, and I'm still not so sure, did. Did you ever watch Jane Silent, bob Strike Back? I've seen parts of it explaining to Ben Affleck you know how you have to do the art film, and then you have to do the money-making film, you know the blockbuster, so that you can, you know, continue paying bills and stuff, and then you have to do the I owe a guy film, and then they look at the camera. So it's like sometimes I wonder was Dogma one of those movies where they owed Kevin Smith Grim Revelle? Oh, smith Grim Revelle.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, Grim. Revelle yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6:So, yeah, he was the composer that put together the score for the movie Right, and this is like I mean. Even to him he's like this was my signature piece, this was like my magnum opus. To him he's like this is my, this was my signature piece, this was like my magnum opus. But I mean, this guy's worked on all sorts of shit that, like people like us would probably consider to be like classic movies. Uh, he worked on things like, uh, like street fighter tank girl. Uh, ghost in the machine, like the you know the animated ghost in the machine. Um, you know, he worked on like all sorts of really cool shit. Uh, he worked on um the craft. Um, fuck what? Uh, what the hell else do you work?
Speaker 6:oh, I guess I do hear that there's something there's something sticking in my head that, like he worked on, that was a biggie. Uh, it was another comic book movie. Um, oh, son of a bitch, what the hell was it? Hang on a minute uh, you did say tank girl I did yes and you know that would have been another really big, uh, really big one.
Speaker 2:But um, oh, motherfucker where the hell are you?
Speaker 6:it's a black and white comic book movie. Um uh sin city.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go okay, yeah, you worked on sin city.
Speaker 6:Uh worked on daredevil. Um, you worked on like all sorts of shit.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 6:So I mean he's got a particular sound to him that is almost industrial, but it also has, like he's all about like vibe and sound, design and things like that. It's not like a John Williams type of a score.
Speaker 2:He is very similar to Hans Zimmer, where he likes to use those ethnic yes, ethnic instruments.
Speaker 6:A lot of percussion.
Speaker 2:he's very much trying to create like a vibe in an atmosphere right, and now that you've mentioned a whole bunch of those, I can kind of hear, I can kind of hear his style in most of those, like in my head as I'm, as I'm kind of replaying some of the music from those movies in my head, the similarities, but yeah, I mean, I just the the name, I feel like I should know it, but I just didn't.
Speaker 2:I'm like huh, I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to ask him about that. Um, but I, I did notice in this movie, though, as I was listening to it, I was just like, you know, especially with that Jew Duke and the and the you know, the Japanese wood flute played at the same time together as he was walking down the alleyway and stuff like that. It was like God, I don't know what kind of sound that is, but it's, but it's haunting and and they picked it like perfectly for that scene just to give it that that little bit of mysticism that needed to be had. Yeah, just really that little bit of mysticism needed to be had. Yeah, just really really good stuff.
Speaker 6:Yeah, a lot of times like unless you are, you know, an orchestral nerd, a lot of times like movie scores the common listener is not able to listen to like a score from like beginning to end and actually give a shit, Like most of the time, you know, just a regular listener, they just don't care. Uh, this is one of them, though. We're like you can, you can have this going in the background and it's just going to be like lo-fi tunes for like the whole fucking time that it's running.
Speaker 2:Like you're, you know, even as just a normal listener, you're okay with it yeah, see, in in growing up, growing up in a musical home and a movie theater, music, movie music was always really important for me, sure, and so, like my dad had kind of taught me the things to look for between the different composers and how you can kind of see their signature Right, a lot of them have a signature, like John Williams, obviously, his is that octave jump, octave jumps, musically, technically, are ballsy and they tell you not to do it. Yep, yeah, they go against the rules.
Speaker 2:I can do it because it's not because it is too. It is too epic to do, you know yeah, you're not. Williams does it like he's taking a fucking walk in a park, right?
Speaker 6:Well, you know well everything he does. John williams does it for a reason, because when you have that, that giant like octave, jump it. You know it's a kick in the pants, right, you know where you're like yeah all right, let's do this shit. Uh, and I mean, most of his scores are, you know, epic, like heroic let's, let's fuck up the empire kind of uh, you know, kind of uh scores yeah, and then, and then you've got movies like harry potter that, like you know, I mean they're everywhere.
Speaker 2:I mean just the whole, the whole fucking theme is nothing but octave jumps and it's. He just does it so casually, um, and, and so I kind of look for some of those signature sounds and things like that, and and his. I just I didn't recognize um, and, and that's kind of why I put that in there. But it really did fit in with kind of the, like you said, the vibe, yeah it's how you put on there.
Speaker 6:I like how you put on there, even though I hate that term, but it really did build a vibe it's because anymore, man, I mean that's, that's become so much of a zoomer term, uh, or yeah, kind of a term of like you know, yeah, you know the vibe, right, you know, everything's, everything's a vibe and it's like just yes, no, you'd like it's not a noun, all right, you know you, it's it like, don't, don't do it that way. I know it makes me sound like the cranky old fuck, but I mean, mean, I am who I am.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, we're starting to get into that age where we have to start practicing to being the cranky old guy in the neighborhood.
Speaker 6:Dude, I've been the get up my lawn guy since I was like 12.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to get up on my mic here real quick so that I can tell this to you here. So that I can tell this to you here. I, when I was looking to buy a house, I specifically found one that kids would walk by from school, so that I could become the local legend. Don't go into that yard. That's old Manera Woods yard. I got this big looming house and I've got windows up in the top of the house that I am so going to just make, mysteriously lit up at night with a silhouette. It's just going to be a cardboard cutout or some shit.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 6:I mean, I'm going to you're in the middle. That's not going to be that difficult. Like you know you're, you're in small town, Nebraska. That's not going to be that difficult to to be able to create that kind of legend.
Speaker 2:I am going to be a legend, that's. That's exactly what I was out for.
Speaker 6:I'm that's.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what I was out for I'm not gonna be famous, I may as well be infamous. See, jen's got her hand in her head because she knows every time we went to a new house to go look at it with our realtor, I went. I went straight to the front window and was like, yeah, I could. I could terrify kids from this place.
Speaker 6:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, uh, I mean speaking of vibe. So, uh, cinematography, set design, you know, direction from Proyas and Walski, uh, cinematography was really great and and yes, you can definitely see how they how they had uh kind of recycled some of their work with, you know, having worked in dark city, they, I think now there's there's this quote that my dad used to say years ago all the time and it was. It was when I was I was at home by myself with my trumpet and I was just learning how to play and I had a Dizzy Gillespie CD and I had that in the CD player in my room and I was trying to play along with Dizzy Gillespie, which when you're in your first like five weeks of learning how to play, you know that that's not possible, but I was trying anyway. My dad comes home and I'm like I'm turning off the CD player, I'm putting my trumpet away and all that stuff, and my dad was like, what are you doing? I was like, well, I was just playing along with a CD. And he was like, yeah, what were you doing?
Speaker 2:I was like Dizzy Gillespie and he was like, oh okay. I was like, just okay, you're just going to tell me that it's okay, and he's like. He's like, yeah, why? And I was like I just figured that, you know it's well above my, you know my skill, you know my skill level and everything. And he was like, and then he stopped and he looked at me and he goes there is nothing wrong with emulating greatness, and so that stuck with me.
Speaker 2:Now, when somebody does something right and then they do it again, you find it excusable. So even if they did copy themselves when making one movie and then going to another and doing the same thing, they captured it, they figured it out, they successfully found the formula that made what they wanted to make and then they just recreated it for another project. And some people really hate that. I mean, some people will talk a lot of trash about people doing that. They'll be like you know well, this movie was just like that movie and you can totally tell, because it was the same people that did this. I think it's.
Speaker 6:I think it's fine like if you figure out the skills yeah, there are some people that have like an identifiable style to them. You know, like there there are, uh, you know there are a lot of films where, like yeah, there's sure you could say that they just made the the same movie over and over again. Like, uh, uh, oh, god damn it, the the fucking name is escaping me right now. But the other, the guy that made like all of the teenager movies back in the 80s, uh, he worked on like weird science and uh, 16 candles and um, you know what I'm talking about right like yeah, I mean that yeah, yeah
Speaker 6:he, he's known for, like, he made all the teenager movies, right, uh, and they, they all have, you know, very, you know very similar plots and they're all about, you know, kids that are like 16, 17 years old, they're coming of age, they're all that kind of story. But they're all fucking kind of story, but they're all fucking great, right? You know, yeah, he had a particular style and he did it very well. You could say the same thing about the combination of Proyas and Walski where, like, they discovered their particular style and when they were working on something like Dark City, it fucking works, like, have you seen dark city? It fucking you like it works.
Speaker 6:You know, like, I mean that that story needs that kind of style. You know that's, that's exactly what they're going for on that. Uh, you know, with walski and his cinematography, when you apply and you know, when you look at like, what he did later, uh, when he's working on like the alien movies, the newer ones, uh, you know, like prometheus and covenant, uh, it's still that kind of that kind of video style and it works. You know for what it was that they were trying to capture. So, if you've got a style, it fuck it, man, go for it.
Speaker 2:Why don't you start, you give me, give me one of your favorite characters.
Speaker 12:As cheesy as it is, I would definitely say Star. Seeing her growth throughout the movie and hearing her narrative of what is going on, how is she processing this? What are her next steps? She's just a very wise soul, too wise. For her age, yeah. Yeah, there were times you just wanted to hug her and be like, oh my gosh, I wish you didn't know or have to know about these things. And I just think, seeing her resiliency, yeah, she, absolutely, she lives up to her name for sure, she's a star.
Speaker 2:Well, and on top of that, I think that there's so much of her story that we don't that she has already lived. Some of her story was not told to us before, before we come in into the story Because, like they talk about periodically throughout the movie, they talk about the Hood trio, you know how they were all. Harry Potter fans, her and her two best friends. And when the movie started, one of them was already dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, because because of similar, uh, similar situation. So it's like this is not new for her. I mean experiencing it the way that she is, that she does in this movie is new. Like being that close to the situation was new. But other than that, like this is not, it's almost like just Tuesday.
Speaker 12:Yeah, for this girl.
Speaker 12:A lot of, I think, the people around her too, like death is very like, oh, I'm going to die when I'm old. And for her it's very much opposite. It's like this could be my last day, my last five minutes, and that's because of the trauma that, like, this poor child has already gone through and I don't really think that she before um, the death of her friend that we see in the movie happen, um, that she had actually like processed through that. I think, yeah, like you said, it was just so normal because you don't know anything different. And yeah, I think that is one of the hardest things is, like when you see them actively going through it, but they don't really know how bad it is. Because for us, we look at it from the outside and we're like, oh my god, like this poor child, this family, like very much, has gone through absolute hell. And, yeah, for them it's just another, another day.
Speaker 2:And you can definitely see that divide, like I mean I had put in here on on kind of some of the talking points, the you know, the the star versus Williamson star or star 2.0, versus Williamson star or star 2.0, the, the one that she is at home, uh, in in garden Grove, I think is what it's called. I think so.
Speaker 2:And her when she's at school are are two completely different people, because the people that she sees at school they don't understand it. They don't, they're not a part of that life, they're not a part of that culture or anything. They a lot of them like to think that they are, but uh, but she, she just plays along, uh in in a way that is very uh vanilla. But you can definitely see, like especially in some of the situations that she comes in after, after the, the incident in the movie, like the way that people talk to her when she's, when she's getting sick, after she wakes up the first time, going to sleep, after her, after watching her friend get shot. Her dad says the first morning is always the worst yeah you know, and and it's like, wait a second.
Speaker 2:always like, like, like. This is Like, this is almost a rite of passage and like how many times have you gone through this Do? You know, what to expect.
Speaker 2:And you know how to prepare another person in your child Like he knew to be sitting next to her bed when she woke up, like I don't know, I, I that comes back to the whole white privilege thing I I never would have thought of that. Um, that's, that's something that I never had to think about. Uh, at least not until we get into the talking points. Now, one one that I was kind of surprised with how I felt about um was her boyfriend. I I thought I was gonna hate him. I really did.
Speaker 12:I thought I was gonna hate that kid just like I thought he was gonna be a villain, like he was gonna be part of like the awful things, and I was surprised when he was a little bit of a hero a bit of a dork hero, but a total hero, like some of the things that he did for star.
Speaker 2:Just because he cared for her, uh, went, went beyond reason and went beyond logic and went beyond self-preservation. Yeah. Uh, I mean when, when he walked into King's house with star to go get seven.
Speaker 2:I was like the first thing that happened, the first thing that went through my mind was kid, get the fuck out of there. What are you doing? What are you doing in a gangbanger's home when his, when he's not home and his wife is like get out? But it was uh. But I mean he, he didn't care, he didn't think twice about it, he just went right up, got, you know, helped, helped the kids get out of the house, get into his Range Rover and take off Like and, and then then took them to the rally, like the, the, the protest downtown and everything like that, and then helped everybody through that. Yeah, I don't know, I really liked him. What about? What about another one of your favorites?
Speaker 12:I would say star's mom, I think kind of like her dad. They always just like knew how to comfort her. And it's equally as sad as it is sweet, because again it's like they are so prepared. It's just part of their routine.
Speaker 12:But I think they were amazing and calm. But I think they were amazing and calm and, honestly, I wish all parents were like they are, because they, yeah, just knew what to expect. She was very, very like. She gave Star the space that she needed, but she was always there and made herself available, and I think, yeah, that's part of the reason why, too, I wish everyone could watch. This is just like get some points on be there for your kids, cause she did it.
Speaker 2:It was kind of nice to have her there, because she was there thinking, thinking the things that nobody else was like do we need to get a lawyer for this girl, because the hood isn't going to like her talking. But it's not the right thing to not talk you know and and things like.
Speaker 2:Like I mean she was. She was the first one to put herself in star's position and be like. Y'all need to take a moment and recognize what what position this girl is in. One of my other favorites was Maverick her dad, um, I think the reason why why I loved Maverick so much was because he was smart and understanding when he needed to be. He was tough when he needed to be. I know you're supposed to be mad at him for doing it and everything, but after they have the bullets going through the windows and everything, he got his family safe and then he went back because that says something that a lot of people, I think, don't understand that it is it's a little bit machismo, but not really Like there's a thing about it. That is just this is my home and I am here to protect it. I have what's important to me inside the home, somewhere safe, but I am going to protect my home.
Speaker 2:Yeah that he was able to do that safe, but I am going to protect my home. Yeah, that he was able to do that. That's something that you see in men, regardless of where they live, what color they are any of those things I would be the same way. And to see him be able to do that full scope, everything from being supportive to being protector and then handing off that mantle of pride to his daughter, especially like right there at the end of the movie um, it was just, it was great. I, I loved it.
Speaker 12:Everything about maverick was just really great for me I agree I think a lot of parents, um, in that situation, like when the bullets were flying, would have just like gone out there and tried to fight whoever was doing that to them and like not really instantly, think, like okay, my family comes first and then I protect those around me. And I love that he again was just like prepared and he was thinking like thinking correctly and not acting out of like the fight or flight, like he was very, very I can tell where like star got her wisdom and her strength from and it's absolutely shown through, yeah, both her mom and dad yeah, I think the like, an important distinction with that, is that I think I think I would have felt differently about maverick leaving his family with carlos.
Speaker 2:I think I think I would have felt differently about how he handled that situation if, instead of going to his home, he would have gone looking for King. Yeah, but he didn't. He went to, he went to his home and he waited, and that that shows a, that shows a lot of wisdom and a lot of control.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and again I think. I think that shows a lot of where star got it. Now, something that is kind of questionable is taking his boy with him. That was a little bit. I was a little bit angry with him about that.
Speaker 2:Like you should have left your kid at home. I'm just saying. But at the same time, you know, I mean I don't know the dynamic in that of you know, well, this is going to be you someday and you're going to have to learn how to protect your home, you know, or or that, but uh, but either way I don't know. So now, now we kind of get into active ingredient territory. Active ingredients are kind of, you know, whatever any, any part of this movie that was healing for you, that was, that was medicinal for you. That changed your perspective, changed your mind on something, made you better. Anything it could even be catharsis, anything about this that was medicinal for you. What was your active ingredient?
Speaker 1:Probably the topic of beauty, how beauty is not always what it seems. I think society has deemed one thing to be beautiful and it's like no, everything is beautiful. There's beauty in everything, and that's what Sophie kind of learns Is everything is beautiful, including myself. Sophie starts out being like I'm not beautiful, I don't look like what people want and stuff like that. And then Howl comes along. He's like Sophie, I love you, you're beautiful to me. And Sophie learns it really doesn't matter how I look to other people, as long as I love myself and I love the people around me who think I'm beautiful.
Speaker 2:It kind of reminds me of I did an episode on the Last Samurai. Have you ever seen that the samurai was talking to Tom Cruise and he was telling him that a perfect cherry blossom is a rare thing. You could spend your whole life looking for one and it wouldn't be a wasted life. It all came to a point where the samurai realized that all of the cherry blossoms are perfect. It gives me the same kind of flavor as that. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2:For me, uh, for me, not not quite so deep my, the active ingredient for me was, uh, I watched, I watched Sophie have a little bit of a freak out about being old, right at the beginning, right, and, and after that she just kind of seemed to accept it and go with the flow. I turned 40 this year. I've been kind of feeling my mortality a little bit like in in a really weird way, not like I don't even know that it's like midlife crisis sort of way, but like, but there there are definitely times where I start to think to myself as I'm, as I'm thinking about things that I want to do or or pursue or whatever. I think to myself that I don't have as long to do those things, as I always used to think. Watching Sophie just go with being old and that being old didn't mean you have to be miserable it kind of makes me embrace my age and think of it kind of in the way that that I can go into the second half of my life with some power in my stride, cause she, she definitely did Like she. She went from being a young woman to an old woman in no time, and yet she was. She was going to travel across the countryside. Nothing was going to stop her, and so that's kind of what I, that's kind of what I took from it was just because I'm 40 doesn't mean that I can't learn how to do new things, that I can't learn to do those things that that I always wanted to, and that I still have plenty of time. I don't know. That's that's just kind of what I took from it.
Speaker 2:Despite the differences between the kind of nerd that Spider-Man was in 62 versus, you know, the newer version, he embodies a theme in this movie that Spider-Man fans I think could all really appreciate and really love, and that's that he's a hero, with or without the bite. I mean that goes right into, you know the next talking point, the underdog hero. They gave us a scene specifically to show us just what kind of human being Peter Parker was. You know, he wasn't Spider-Man, he was just a kid. He walks out into the you know some kind of courtyard or something like that, where Flash is Bean Flash. He's got a flash.
Speaker 2:He's got a kid uh, inclined face first into a plate of food, uh, dunking his face into the, into the kid's lunch, and flashes Uh, he's. He's yelling at Peter to take a picture. Well, he won't take the picture and keeps telling him to put him down and Flash refuses to do so. And then that's, when he put him down, eugene and everybody's just like, oh shit, you know. And then, of course, flash throws the underclassmen that he's dunking, that he's dunking into his lunch, throws him off to the side.
Speaker 8:And Peter like automatically, like first thing, tries to go and see if that other kid was okay. He wasn't worried about himself or his wellbeing, he was worried about the kids.
Speaker 2:Right, despite the fact that he I mean, there was no way that he didn't see flash coming for him. So, even though the initial response for just about anybody is self-preservation, this giant motherfucker is coming after me, so I need to, I need to put an arm up or something to guard myself, even if I am going towards it. And he didn't nothing at all. He just went straight to go check on, check on that kid and caught a hell of a right hand from Flash, knocked him on the ground, got kicked a couple of times. But then then we get a showing of why Gwen has her very own spider spinoff. She comes in as the hero for Peter Parker standing up to Flash, telling him you know, divert his attention elsewhere and he needs to pay a little bit more attention to school.
Speaker 8:so so okay, in the first spider-man like trilogy, flash and mj were together. Was spider. Excuse me, was gwen and flash together in this one, or was she just like his tutor?
Speaker 2:no, I think, I think that she was just tutoring him. I mean, honestly, could you, could you imagine her bringing that home to captain stacy? Probably wouldn't go over well guys like that.
Speaker 8:They, they can definitely turn on the charm, even though they're you know butt faces yeah, we'll call them that yeah, no, I think I.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure that there wasn't any sort of romantic involvement in this universe between those two. But he finds a hero in g for him.
Speaker 8:What's your name? You? Don't know my name. Oh, I know your name. I'm trying to see if you know your name.
Speaker 2:That's great.
Speaker 8:And then she kind of after he says Peter but doesn't say his last name, she kind of like Peter, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2:It was just really good and a really good way to introduce the two together and just kind of show a little bit of chemistry between the characters In a very subtle way, I guess. But after all that there's a little bit of stuff before Peter goes home and that is enter Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Now we're not really going to talk a whole lot about Aunt May, because Aunt May I kind of feel like in this movie she's very, very background.
Speaker 8:Until the end. Yeah, she's more background.
Speaker 2:Right and that's OK. Like I mean, it really is OK that that Aunt May isn't isn't the star or anything like that, because and you're not just saying that because you don't really care for the actress I, you know it's not even really that she will have her time to shine, and that's in the sequel. She is fantastic in the sequel, yes, and honestly it's not even that. I hate sally field. I just I couldn't look at the woman without getting pissed because of because of mrs doubtfire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that movie yeah, man, sally field made me hate sally field because of, because of mrs doubtfire, without talking too much about it. The sequel totally, totally revived her with me. Uh, she did so good in amazing Spider-Man 2. Fantastic job. So that's really where she's going to shine is someday when I do that episode. So since she's really background, then that means that the focus really is more on Uncle Ben. As far as I'm concerned, martin Sheen is the best Uncle Ben since the original.
Speaker 8:I don't know. I can think of an Uncle Ben that I like more, yeah, but I'm not your Uncle Ben.
Speaker 2:That's true. I'm just an Uncle Ben.
Speaker 8:That's true.
Speaker 2:But seriously there's so many parts about him that are really great. You would put down that you know May and Ben had treated Peter like they, like he was their own and everything which that already kind of takes takes a special kind of person or whatever. But he was. He was supportive, he was hard when he needed to be, but he was also humble. Martin Sheen's version of Uncle Ben seems very much likely to be a very big part of the reason why Peter is such a hero before he becomes a superhero.
Speaker 8:Well, yeah, like with how upset he got with Peter when he found out that he humiliated Flash he just yeah, the kid did you wrong, but do you really want to treat someone like that?
Speaker 2:So he did something bad to you and you wanted to get him back. Revenge isn't a good reason to do that. It has to come from little bits of insight like that, and that's why Peter Parker is the way that he is. It doesn't strike me as normal that he would have gotten into fights or anything like that or humiliated somebody, but I'm guessing that when he was younger, that was probably something that he had gotten some lessons from Uncle Ben about. Yeah, I don't know. I really like Martin Sheen's Uncle Ben. He does a great job.
Speaker 8:And when Peter tells him that he's a good dad, the joy and the pride that he took in just hearing Peter say that.
Speaker 2:It's a really good feeling for somebody to know that they're appreciated for something that they've put so much time into, that they've put so much effort and so much love. You know, when they put that much into a person and try to create something good to go out into the world, that takes a lot of hard work. And so, yeah, with with Peter telling, telling Uncle Ben, you know you're a good dad. That was the reward that he was he was able to reap. I also like how you have in here on your on your talking points, the ugly red book that doesn't fit on the shelf.
Speaker 6:The DOD Rainbowd rainbow books. Yes, those are real. Uh, yeah, oh yeah, no, they're. Yeah, they're totally fucking real. Uh, yeah, those are. You know those? There are easter eggs all through this fucking movie. You know of legitimate things in hacker culture and in cyberpunk culture. There are little Easter eggs, little nods to all sorts of legitimate shit. And yeah, those rainbow books that he pops out with. I mean, those are all real things. They were very real and very legitimate in that particular time period. Yeah, the big red book that doesn't fit on a shelf. Yeah, that was DOD Secure Lines, if I remember correctly yeah you guys still got me yes okay, cool, just yeah it.
Speaker 6:It went quiet for a second. I'm paranoid at this point I'm like oh shit no, you're good.
Speaker 6:Dod rainbow books the uh, the uh technical advisors that they got on this movie. I mean, they, they actually talked to the technical consultants that they have. Uh, they're legitimate hackers. Uh, they are a lot of guys that were actually part of the culture, uh, you know, that were considered, you know, leet, as they, uh, as they say in the movie, uh, you know they, they got a lot of legitimate guys to consult on this movie. You know, guys that were part of, like, legion of doom and, uh, you know, and I think I think Kevin Mitnick, uh, you know, was talked to, was talked to on this. Um, I mean, you, you've got guys that actually did some shit. Here's what you do to make this a legitimate hacker movie.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 6:Like some of the technical visuals are terrible, right, and we know this, we beat it to death. But there are also other things of just talking about the culture of cyberpunk and the culture of hacking and some of the legitimate techniques that were done and the little nods to things of the community, those are absolutely legitimate, like I had said right at the beginning.
Speaker 2:Like hacking, hacking is boring to watch, um, so they had to do something like visually just to make it a little bit more interesting. Like ddos, attacks are not interesting to anybody oh god, no, no.
Speaker 6:yeah, ddos is bullshit, but uh, if you do but if you do it correctly though you can cripple a fucking nation.
Speaker 2:Well, don't even get me started on freaking DDoS attacks. Because I had the day on Christmas Day I had my family got together and bought me an Xbox One when they were new and I went home and I hooked that motherfucker up and I had a fast internet connection and I was ready to play some games. And you know what I couldn't do? I couldn't play any games because fucking Lizard Squad had DDoS'd the shit out of Xbox and I couldn't fucking play. For two days after I got a brand new Xbox, I was pissed.
Speaker 8:I'll bet.
Speaker 6:But oh and is that what you have? No, that's not the uh. That's not the uh. The attack on din uh, that was uh, okay, okay different.
Speaker 2:No, so uh yeah it was around the same time uh, yeah, it would have been.
Speaker 6:Uh, you know, it definitely would have been. Um, yeah, what? What I have in the other notes is talking about the mirai botnet, and mirai was all of like the internet of things uh, bullshit that's out there. It was mostly security cameras. They would, uh, they would use default passwords to get into these security cameras. They would uh, infect it with this, uh, you know, with their the, the botnet, with the virus, and then they would just keep going from there, you know, and they would infect other you know piece of shit iot cameras and continue to like, take them over. And then one day they all just decided, okay, we're gonna send a bunch of fucking pings, which is really just like an acknowledgement, right, we're gonna send just a bunch of pings and we're going to DDoS the living fuck out of the largest DNS provider in the country and we're just going to overflow their systems and we're going to just wait until this bitch crashes.
Speaker 6:And when that crashes, that took with them things like Netflix, aws, amazon in general, all sorts of really big shit that people depend on. They crashed all of it. There was like 70 different companies that were affected in this, if I remember correctly, and it knocked out everybody for almost an entire business day, cost a shitload of money. I was in the middle of teaching a firewall uh, like a firewall instructional class when this went down and we couldn't access the other. We couldn't access the materials that we needed, so it was me in a room with four other guys where we're just like, all right, well, I guess we'll fuck off for the day.
Speaker 6:Um, I can't do anything else, because the internet doesn't work right, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:Uh, that's pretty crazy, uh did. Did they ever figure out who that was?
Speaker 6:No, To my knowledge, they still don't know who actually is behind that particular botnet. There are thoughts Starts with an R ends with an N. They're kind of in the middle of another skirmish right now. They're kind of in the middle of another skirmish right now, but yeah, there are suspicions as to who may be behind it, but as far as I know, they don't have like a smoking gun.
Speaker 2:I mean a lot of the time with that kind of shit, a lot of the time.
Speaker 6:If they don't want you to know you're not gonna for a number of reasons they can't let you know because of, uh, you know, security reasons, uh, and I mean the fuck you're gonna do. Right, you know most of these places. If they're from other countries, they don't. There's no extradition. Come get me right, go ahead, sanction me, charge me.
Speaker 2:Come get my ass yep, now I remember that a little bit more.
Speaker 6:I mean, it's not um yeah, the lizard squad thing that was funny nothing.
Speaker 2:That lizard squad thing was not funny. It was not funny, god damn it. I wanted to play. I wanted to play fucking. What was it? It was destiny was when I wanted to play. I wanted to go through a fucking raid on destiny so bad, and I couldn't on my brand new xbox one, because I want to play on my toy download updates it was so my christmas it was a bad. It was a bad great christmas, okay. It just it really sucked, and all because of a bunch of lizard dicks.
Speaker 6:I hated them guys oh no, I get it, I get it. And the thing with, like with a ddos attack, there isn't shit you can do, there isn't a goddamn thing you can do. That like that is.
Speaker 2:It's all upstream to where, like your internet service provider, they're the only ones that can do anything about it and most of the time they can't do shit they don't know, but yeah, they, because they they'd have to know, they'd have to know everything about it in order, in order to do anything, they got to know where it's all coming from, and when, when you have a, when you have a ddos, specifically distributed denial of service, that means it's coming at you from all sides.
Speaker 6:Man, it's a fucking cocky. There ain't shit you can do about it.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, I warned you I warned you. I love it, good stuff. I mean I hate it, but I love it. So, um, yeah, don't don't, as as my uh, my producer is just telling me right now to, to tell you all, please do not Google Bukake, Uh, that's, and if you do, and it's not my fault, I'm just saying yeah, no, not on us, not on us I'm now. I'm kind of curious as to whether my producer is telling me not to tell people to do that because she did. No, okay, just making sure.
Speaker 6:I'm just just making you know you'd think, at this point it's almost just become like a regular colloquial. But you know.
Speaker 2:You would think so, but no.
Speaker 6:Maybe it's just because I'm a bad person.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's because we're horrible people. So anyway, now that we're in a wholesome part of our discussion, sure, so this movie was found after scrolling for 13 hours through Netflix pages when we were in a show hole. Yeah, yeah, I found Jen, found it actually.
Speaker 4:Please tell me you weren't doing 13 hours straight.
Speaker 2:Well, that's kind of how it feels. I mean trying to scroll through Netflix after you're done with a show or something you're like. So what do I watch now? And then you, then you pretty much spend about the amount of time that you would watching something.
Speaker 4:I do hate it, just scrolling through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sucks so. So scrolling for what felt like 13 hours through Netflix uh, jen found it. Yes. She actually basically we're talking about how awesome Adam Driver is. And then she was like oh look, adam Driver. So yeah, we were in a show hole and Adam Driver bursts into action.
Speaker 4:You do know that there is like a feature where you can type in an actor and it will give you.
Speaker 2:Right, right. Well, we didn't. We weren't thinking about that, we were just scrolling and then bullshitting at the same time.
Speaker 4:That's how we spend quality time together scrolling and bullshitting sounds like a lot of quality.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, lots of quality time that way, um, but uh, this, uh, this adam driver movie brings a sci-fi adventure right to your living room. We're talking about 65 today. Basic info on this movie it's a Netflix original released in 2023. Written and directed by Scott Beck and Brian Woods. Stars Adam Driver, ariana Greenblatt and Chloe Coleman. The IMDB description this is Jamie's thing. An astronaut crash, lands on a mysterious planet, only to discover he's not alone.
Speaker 4:It's like, not a description. I have figured it out, Ben. I want you to know I have thought about this long and hard, Especially when I listen to your episodes that I'm not in and you mention how much I'm going gonna hate this description or like this description. Um, I have decided. These aren't subs like descriptions. These are like subtitles. There's the title and then the subtitle. This is like the subtitle.
Speaker 4:It's not a description okay so maybe you should start rebranding it that way. Maybe IMDb will follow suit. The IMDb subtitle to this movie is I don't know. It is what it is.
Speaker 2:Some of them aren't so bad, though, Like there's been a couple of them that weren't so bad.
Speaker 4:When you can get more information on the back of a book sleeve. It's not a description. Well, I guess, that's just my thought.
Speaker 2:But still, I don't know this one, this one's not great, but I'm pretty sure I'm just going to make sure that all of them that we do are ones that have really bad ones, just so that I can get you all riled up.
Speaker 4:And I'll be talking about it for weeks. It's not hard to do.
Speaker 2:So initial movie impression. So initial movie impression um, cinematography surprised me, uh, as as it does all the time with netflix originals. Um, I mean, when you, when you really think about it, like how great is, is netflix quality? Um, as far as their cinematography lighting and all of that stuff, like I mean they really do do a great job, even special effects like it.
Speaker 4:It is kind of amazing yeah and all that stuff has just gotten cheaper, so netflix can do it easier.
Speaker 2:I think what it is is that I think that people are just. I think that more, more homegrown special effects people are just being given an opportunity because, like it used to be that there were, you know that there were like 150 special effects people in Hollywood and everybody had to fight for their time and there were a few innovators and things like that. But now, with computers and computer power and everything being so available and special effects programming and things like that being more available, I mean I have everything I need to do, all of the things that are in this movie.
Speaker 4:Well, let's not even I mean.
Speaker 2:If we want to go down a social rabbit hole, I suppose you could probably do a lot of that crap with ai anymore too well, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't trust it, though, because then you know, I mean, if we're being honest, you might end up with a dinosaur, dinosaur with like some kind of male appendage coming out of its forehead, um, which wouldn't be good for for net.
Speaker 4:Ooh, alien dinosaur with a mega hat.
Speaker 2:Alien dinosaur with a Make America Great Again hat.
Speaker 4:Why not?
Speaker 2:We already had one. I'm just. I'm just woo. That's encroaching on political stuff here.
Speaker 4:I can't help it. It's kind of been a political week for me, so yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I mean, that is kind of kind of your skis when it comes to podcasting.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, as we're talking about that, the cool thing is that you got to see at the end, you got to see the aha of the development of probably step 10.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because it was like that moment where he realized the outward showing of success Isn't what makes you a winner. It's the process that you go through to get there right, it's the lessons you learn along the way, it's the the hard work you put in, it's um, it's finishing the race. Those all make you a winner. Like it's not.
Speaker 4:Hey, I've got a million dollars in the bank and I'm on a talk show circuit or something like that you know and that was, I think that was, the coolest part is when you saw him, his whole mindset shifted and it was like you know what?
Speaker 2:Screw it, this is what we, we're gonna teach my kid today, when his attachment to image was was finally let go, that that you know what a what a thing looks like does not denote its value. Because that, I mean, to be completely honest, that's what I hated about this guy through most of the movie was it just felt like he was just so focused on the image and it's like, dude, just let it go. Then, yeah, and then you're right, like when, when he's at a pageant and they're telling him to take his daughter off the stage and he's and he's given a moment to think about, I mean, even even just before that, before all of went out, he and the whole family like, well, okay, not the whole family, it was him and Frank and Dwayne, they were all. Mom, you cannot let her go out there Like they're going to tear her to shreds.
Speaker 4:Well, and I love that because it was so protective, like it wasn't, you know, right.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like we don't have confidence in our family member.
Speaker 4:And it wasn't embarrassment, it was protection.
Speaker 2:We don't want her to get hurt you and was at the same time, god, what a mom like.
Speaker 2:No, you guys shut up and and let her live her dream yeah like, and it had nothing to do with the fact that they just drove 700 miles. It had nothing to do with the fact that they had to run every time they wanted to start their van up. It had nothing to do with the fact that they had to run every time they wanted to start their van up. It had nothing to do with the fact that the grandpa was dead. It had nothing to do with any of that. All of it was about Olive's dream.
Speaker 4:Well, and and I think one of the things that I loved about that scene too, it was like this whole time, the whole movie, you look at this family and you're like holy crap, they're so weird. You have a sense that they are the weirdest people on the planet.
Speaker 4:And then you put them and you pluck them out of what you've been watching them in, and you pluck them into a beauty pageant and suddenly they're normal, Because that was like a weirder situation right, Like the really weird people were now around them and they were the cool, normal people and I loved that shift in perspective as a viewer of that.
Speaker 4:It was amazing, it was absolutely amazing and I also I think I think it speaks a lot how the family circled around the dream of one of their people and it was like I saw that missing with dad's dream and it was there for all of stream. And I almost think because this is something I do all the time I think about what happens next in the movie. Why? Because there's no, there's no sequel. So what? What was next? And I wonder, after dad was able to shift his perspective a bit, if they were able to buy into his dream too and buy into Dwayne's dream and you know what I mean Like how good that is for family and and the synergy for a family and the connections in a family to rally around a dream of one of them and support them in that.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, I jumped around a little bit on my list.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was. I was going oh shit, where's the being with? Yeah, that was.
Speaker 4:that was one of the things that I loved the most. It's almost like they were able to rally around Olive, because Olive was so supportive of all of them, you know what I mean, oh yeah. She showed care for every single one of them throughout the entire movie. When Uncle Frank came and he had the bandages on his wrist, well, what happened? And I think a lot of times, as parents, we think that our kids are just being invasive and asking a bunch of senseless, annoying questions.
Speaker 4:I think she was seeking to understand. And then, like, even in the van she's like yeah, I think you're going to go to heaven, you know what I mean Like. So she showed all of this care and concern throughout the movie and the time that it made the biggest impact was with Dwayne, you know, when he found out he was colorblind and probably wouldn't be able to fly jet planes, and he freaked out and broke his silence and none of the rest of them knew what to do. And so dad suggests Olive goes and talks to him, and all she did was walk down to him and put her arm around him and put her head on his shoulder and in that moment, being with him was enough of a connection for him to understand.
Speaker 2:Did you notice in that scene when they stood up she went and gave him the hug and then they stood up and started walking up the hill. Did you see the sign in the field behind him Said united, we stand. Oh. Yeah yeah, I love that.
Speaker 6:You know you can kind of see them coming from a mile away. You know, like the engineer that they find, right, you know the engineer that they find and they know that he's infected and they take him onto the ship anyway. Which you're just. You're sitting there the whole time going wait a minute there. No, that, that fucker's got a xenomorph in him. Like why are you? Why are you taking him onto the ship? Why are you taking him onto the betty? That guy's fucked, like he's got something in him. You know at any point he's going to uh, you know he's going to have a chestburster pop out. Why, why are you doing this?
Speaker 6:this is this is dumb. And then it winds up being like uh, you know you, you familiar with, uh, with chekhov's gun, you know the, the concept of chekhov's gun yes okay. So, uh, you know this, yeah, like I call this like chekhov's xenomorph, you know, or checkoff's chestburster to where, like you see the, uh, you see the engineer, you know he's fucked, you know that that chestburster is going to happen, you know right.
Speaker 6:So, like you, you know that that's, that's going to be something that is going to come up later on in the plot later, and then when it does, and it comes up as like the way to to kill the, the other, you know the, the company man, right, you know where, like the chestburster pops through his fucking head, right, and you know like that's the worst use of Chekhov's gun I've ever seen. Like that was fucking stupid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can definitely go along with that.
Speaker 6:Like so much build-up, you introduced this new character that that again, nobody gave a shit about that. They've got to carry through both of the ships. They they take him onto the betty even though you, as the audience member, are screaming the entire time. This is stupid. It's a bad idea. You're gonna wind up with a chestburster on your fucking ship and then they use it as a way to kill this. Like you know, subplot bad guy that you don't give a shit about either. It was just. It was so dumb, so dumb.
Speaker 2:The I will.
Speaker 2:I will say, though, that that one of the notes that I had that I had taken down was that, uh, of all of the people in this movie, that that guy, that nameless dude, had about the most had, about the most emotional performance of anybody in this entire movie.
Speaker 2:Just like just in that one scene where they're talking about him, about like with him there, but like he's like what's inside of me, what's inside of me, and nobody's fucking answering him, and like that's the only time you can really relate somebody, yeah, and you're like would somebody please fucking answer the man you know? And then what's that fucking side bay? And then you're like no shit, like answer him. So I mean that's that's the only time in that movie that somebody was able to portray something that I was like, that I could really empathize with, and and I didn't notice that until this last time that I watched it was god, I don't. I don't empathize with anybody at all in this entire movie, ever, except for that one point yeah, yeah and and that's that's so that guy should have gotten an award.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right because he was able to portray a character with some feeling in a movie that had no feeling at all no, none, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6:I mean I've, I've got just so many, so many things in my, in my notes here of, like you know, yeah, so and so deserved better, so and so deserved better. Uh, red dorif's character just fucking die already like jesus christ man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, just so many things I do have to say how cool it was, how cool it was to watch this movie and then, like I mean, I didn't care anything about it when I was watching it the first time, you know, back in 97, but since watching breaking bad. Seeing Tuco Salamanca as a Marine was fucking badass.
Speaker 9:Like you know, like you got an alien inside you Tight, tight, tight yeah.
Speaker 6:Fucking Raymond Cruz man. I love that fucking guy, that guy that guy will always be uh he will always be chewy to that. Guy will always be chewy To me. He will always be chewy from fucking Blood In, blood Out.
Speaker 5:He will always be that fucking guy. That's why I have it in my notes Space Cholo.
Speaker 2:That's a movie I have not seen in a long time. I'm going to have to watch that again.
Speaker 6:I watch that movie like once a year. I love that fucking movie. It takes you like a week and a half to get through and you will, you will start to talk like you're from certain, like neighborhoods of grand island but uh, you know, but that movie is amazing.
Speaker 2:I love that fucking movie speaking of comedic level, I I love how your note simply says heemsworth, hemsworth's death.
Speaker 6:Lol, just I mean it was so ridiculous, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just fucking going crazy and being like okay, I'm going to save you all, I'm going to make this, I'm going to make it count and I'm even if I get across that thing and I have to crawl my way to help I'm going to get people to come back and help you.
Speaker 6:I'm coming back with guns and cops and choppers and he's just, he's got this big fucking hero speech Right, just just for him to like slam into the fucking thing Right, the force field wall or whatever the hell it is right. He slams into that and just fucking, just brutally just dead.
Speaker 2:not just, not just kind of dead, just fucking dead and immediately yeah, as soon as he hits the fucking thing where he's like, fuck yeah, and then boom, just smashes on that thing and just fuck it all the way down, just fucked yeah, yeah that was, that was really good, like I mean, I I had kind of thought about it before he did it because of the, because of the eagle at the beginning, yep, you know you saw the reference into the wall.
Speaker 2:So I yeah. So I I was like, oh well, maybe I mean maybe they, maybe that was just an oversight or something like that. But nope, nope, nope, then it's your shit boom and say, okay, never mind, fucking. Yeah, hems withstead was uh, death was really good in this movie. Um, uh, the good guy deserved better yeah, he just yeah that was kind of a shit death, wasn't it?
Speaker 6:yeah, yeah, it was just a very unceremonious thing we're like and you you knew because there was a reference in there.
Speaker 6:You know, you see the bloody handprint on the camper when they get into the camper on the camper door you know that, like you know, you know there's a buckner in there somewhere that's gonna like pop up right, some redneck zombie that's gonna do something, and you made it all the way through the tunnel. You made it all the way to hemsworth's death, uh, you know. And then they're. They're driving, like you know that, like somebody's coming out of the woodwork somewhere, but it's just like out of nowhere, stabbed in the neck, bleeds out, crashes the fucking uh, you know, crashes the camper and he's just dead, like that's all there is to it is just dead, like come on, man, you could have given him something.
Speaker 2:Right If it felt cheap.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I mean, like I said, he was one of my favorites. He probably got a better death.
Speaker 2:Right, and it was just like God man, like seriously, like can we, can we just?
Speaker 6:like give him something a little bit better. I mean, the guy was in Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 2:Sure, I'll give you. You know, like I's, it's not the greatest show on television, but it's not bad, um, and if you want, if you want to watch a TV show with your girlfriend, that you're conceding something, you know like you're compromising, but it's something that you can actually watch and it's not too horrible, then then it's a good, it's a good series for that, but that you'll have it for the rest of your life because, oh my God, there's like 30 seasons of it or something. But, um, but yeah, this, uh, but like I mean, he, he just gets killed with no intrigue at all, greased out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:It's just boring, boring, boring death, and then that leads very quickly into the last one. Well, what we perceive as the last one?
Speaker 6:Yeah, exactly, well, what, what we perceive as the last one? Yeah, exactly, yeah, you know. Yeah, so it leaves us with the, the quote-unquote virgin right, and that that also leads into probably one of the more insane parts of the whole fucking movie. Uh, with the, like the post cocktail party, right, because they're like the death of the virgin is optional.
Speaker 6:everybody else has got to fucking die, but this chick is optional. Uh, as to whether or not they die, you know she dies and they leave her to potentially be like just beaten to death by zombie redneck, while they're all going through their fucking cocktail party, right, you know where? Like, you got people drinking and they're hanging out and they're talking shit and they're lamenting about the bet that they lost, and you've got the intern that's trying to be cool, you got the one guy that's trying to get laid, and it's just. You have this mundane office party going on while in the background, on the giant screen, you have this chick that's being just brutally beaten to death by a redneck zombie.
Speaker 2:It's just fucking nuts. Yeah, yeah, and I don't know that most people would really have caught that, but yeah, that was something that just kind of wow, how sick are these people?
Speaker 6:What the hell is this, and that's when I still like you know, was it Illuminati, was it?
Speaker 2:you know what the hell is this exactly? And that's when I, when I still like you know. Was it illuminati, was it? You know what the fuck is going on here and right, and it goes, yeah, and even at that point you're still clueless.
Speaker 6:Yeah, exactly, yeah, you are pretty, uh, you are pretty clueless as to what's going on and it does, you know it. It goes back towards that commentary, uh that underlying commentary for the, the people that are in the bunker, of how kind of blah they've become to the whole thing, uh, which goes more towards, like, towards the end of the movie, where they're like, well, fuck it, let's just let it end, uh, because they've, you know, they've just gotten so used to the whole thing and so complacent to the whole thing, uh, to the, the ritual that, like they've made it a game or they've just gotten used to it. You know, like the other one chick that's, uh, like you know, magic monsters, gods, you know, you get used to it. And the other, the black dude's, like, should you like? Are we supposed?
Speaker 6:to get used to this you know, are we supposed to just become complacent into this because it's pretty fucked up when you think about it, like this whole thing's really fucked up. We should not be just taking this as like it's another day at the office. We shouldn't be making bets on this or anything along those lines. So, yeah, like that, you know that, that cocktail party with the other, the death, you know the, the beaten to death on the big screen, like that's just continuing on the commentary of you know, yeah, as you said, like how fucked up are these people to where, like they just they have nothing. They have like almost literally nothing as far as like empathy is concerned for these, these five people that have pretty much just been brutally killed so that the rest of us can continue to live right, I mean in the grand scheme of things, like yeah, it's, it's the needs of the many kind of kind of an argument.
Speaker 2:But right, like, at what point do you start enjoying it? Cause that's, that's what they were doing. They were enjoying it.
Speaker 6:At certain points it totally turned into entertainment. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so it's like I despise the idea that humanity could get to a point, that that humans could actually get to a point where something where they're so desensitized to something like that, that they're, that, they're like you know, oh wow, this is oh well in some ways fucking there man, you like you remember the uh, the uh.
Speaker 6:What the fuck was the uh, the? The movie, the movie series back in the late 90s? That was like black market movies, faces of death, you do you. You remember hearing about faces of death back in the late 90s. That was like black market movies, faces of death, you do you. You remember hearing about faces of death back in the day when we were, uh, when we were like middle school, early high school, like we're already there, man, uh, you know, it's just being able to separate yourself right and well as we're separating yourself or being able to hold onto yourself, I guess really, um, cause, I mean Jesus.
Speaker 2:It kind of takes me to a whole, to a whole different franchise with Harry Potter. You know how do you split the soul murder, or I mean, can you, can you really like? Do you really have to go as far as murder Can like just simply drinking a cocktail and watching a girl get beaten to death and feeling nothing about it? Is that a possible way to split your soul? Or has it already been split, Like I don't know?
Speaker 5:Seems pretty fucked up to me yeah the the attorney could make the argument like look, this dude kept attacking her. After she attacked him two other times. Right, of course she's gonna try and make sure he's not around anymore, like who wouldn't do that, you know? Yeah, I don't know, just it was just. I know it's off topic, it was just something I was thinking about at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I mean, it is an interesting thought, though I suppose on some level somebody might be like well, you know, I want to be real careful about that. That might be a case where somebody might throw the weapon back at somebody that they just killed, trying to get them to stop killing them. You know, like I want them to look like they did it themselves, or something. Panic, throw the, throw the knife back at him, or whatever. But but I mean, come on, jamie lee curtis, this thing, this guy, you already stuck a needle through his neck all right yeah, don't, don't give him back his knife.
Speaker 2:Uh oh, being a chef, what do you have to say about the knife that he used? Did he? Did he choose a good knife?
Speaker 5:Well, I don't know the brand. I think it was a wooden handle. I'm pretty sure it was a 10-inch blade, full tang. I wonder if it's like a Vitronox Vitronox? Vitronox are good kind of middle-of-the-road knives. What knife did Michael Myers use? Okay, it says chef's knife I knew that I was right Vitronox. Well, it says 8-inch Vitronox, but I don't believe that. I believe it was a 10-inch. No, I believe it was a.
Speaker 5:So here's what I'm going to say. It is, and anybody else can challenge me. I'm going to say that the knife that Michaelael myers used was a 10 inch vitronox with some kind of wooden handle. It could be rose, it could be cherry or I don't. I don't know. I can't obviously tell just by looking at it. Vitronox knives will often have a full tang blade and they're pretty good, like decent knives, like we Like we actually had it. Uh, the kitchen I work in we actually have some that are like pretty close to what he used, but they're serrated. So, oh, decent knife, good for all purpose use, which is what Michael Myers did. Uh, good, versatility. May have tough time going through bone man.
Speaker 2:Well, there you go. Uh, chef rates. Uh, slasher film knife choice um by by mass murderer, uh, michael myers. Uh, I'm gonna take a moment here to talk a little bit about some of the some more more of the the goofy trivia around this movie.
Speaker 2:Okay, Um so the I think it's pretty well commonly known that, uh, that the mask is, uh is essentially butts his bucket, william Shatner. Now, a lot of the time people will say that it was a William Shatner mask turned inside out or whatever, but something that I had read somewhere I don't know if this is exactly true or not that it was actually a Captain Kirk mask bought from a small store on Hollywood Boulevard where they ripped off the sideburns and the eyebrows and then they painted it white like a blue-white.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm not 100% sure. I will say I agree with you, because they were trying to recreate it and the number one thing that gives it away is the hair on the mask is still there and if you turn that mask inside out, that hair would not be there. So they would either have to alter the mask fundamentally and cut that out and add the hair, or they would have to just paint it white and then dye the hair black or something like that. I don't know if they dye it black or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. It was originally supposed to be a clown mask. I guess they had gotten like a like a sad clown mask and and had put red hair on it. I would have ruined the movie. Yeah, I would have made it.
Speaker 5:They said it was creepy enough, but oh my god, that makes sense that they would want to make it a clown mask though, because when he was a kid, because he was a kid when he was six years old and he well, he was so excited about it when he murdered his sister he was so as a clown when he murdered his sister, you're so excited about it.
Speaker 2:That woman that played, his sister that played, I think what was her name? Janet?
Speaker 5:Damn it, Janet.
Speaker 2:That woman? Did you know she was a Playboy Playmate? Yeah, I didn't either, until I was flipping through. I'm not up on my playmates uh, yeah, me either, especially not ones from the 70s right uh, so that one, though. Well, now, now I know about that one. So, uh, something else that's kind of fun is, uh, michael myers car was a rental. Yeah, they rented a car, um black car. Uh, the black car that was in that movie was, uh, that was used by uh the doctor.
Speaker 5:That was, um, that was uh john carpenter's that guy was such a chode, not the actor right um well, he wasn't a bad. He wasn't a chode in the first movie. It was later on, which I won't spoil that one because it is. I mean, it's only it was 2018, so it's still old, but it's not like that old, right? Yeah, I did not like him in that in the, the remake in the 2018 movie continuation.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, something that I thought was kind of interesting. I had no idea John Carpenter directed the movie. He also wrote the theme.
Speaker 5:Like the song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's dope. Yeah, he wrote that Apparently. His dad is a musician.
Speaker 5:That makes sense Okay.
Speaker 2:And taught him about the that, that, so, so that theme is written in a really weird time signature. It's called five four time signature, and so it's, it's, it's I can't even begin to describe it in a way that's comprehensive.
Speaker 5:I don't know a lot about music. I only remember that somebody saying something about it being like it's normally like and correct me anybody in the comments that knows more about music. But I believe something about it being like four bars is the normal thing, but they need it. It's usually four four, creepy four, four Okay.
Speaker 2:Four, four is what is most comfortable for most people. Some things are in 3-4. 3-4 time that's more like a bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. You'll get a lot of that in like waltzes and things like that. But 5-4 is a really strange time signature because that's how you get that weird uh, that that weird incidental sound in there, that that, uh, almost almost like syncopation, that that uh, data, data, data, data, data, data, data, data data. I mean it's, I don't know it's again it's. You know, I'm so far out of music theory that I don't think I could describe it. I don't even know that I fully understand it anymore. But yeah, he wrote it and it was all because his dad taught him about five, four time and and, uh, and how it sounded you know, kind of um, it's almost kind of a desperate sounding time signature which fits for a horror flick. As far as I'm concerned, Right.
Speaker 2:So another really kind of a cool thing, that that we were kind of talking about a little bit earlier, that I was going to bring up. So Lori and Tommy I don't know if you remember when they were sitting on the couch and watching a movie- Vaguely. About. When they were talking about, you know, comic books and stuff like that, they were watching a movie called the Thing from Another World.
Speaker 2:Now that you said that, yeah okay, so the thing from another world was remade into a movie called the thing in 1982 that one of my favorites, by the way, of all time also directed by john carpenter. So yeah, that's dope as hell yeah, it's almost like a little bit of a almost like a little bit of a, almost like a little bit of a foreshadowing that movie was incredible.
Speaker 5:The thing, it was so good.
Speaker 2:I was actually really surprised that you didn't pick that one, if we're being totally honest. So the oh. Another fun fact Sound effect for stabbing was a knife stabbing a watermelon.
Speaker 5:I'm going to have to do that and see if I can hear it.
Speaker 2:Well, something to keep in mind as to why it might sound so accurate. What might make you believe that it's accurate is if you're a fat guy, then stick your stomach out and slap it, and then go and slap a watermelon and you'll get. You'll get approximately the same sound out of both.
Speaker 5:I need to know how many people actually did this. Just write, write in a comment, say something like me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just drop in the comments right now. You know I did this, it's totally true because we have to. Let me make sure that Jason knows. But yeah, so I mean, there's gotta be like somebody had to have been thinking. You know, whenever I slap my stomach, it sounds like a watermelon. I bet you if we, I bet you if we stick a knife into a watermelon, it sound a lot like sticking a knife in my, in my belly. This movie was also filmed in california, uh, but it didn't look particularly fall like in california.
Speaker 5:They made it, so john carpenter had to have dead leaves thrown out onto the set imagine he just like goes and finds people and pays them 10 bucks, just grab those leaves and throw them over there.
Speaker 2:Yeah okay, whatever dude do you know it's super funny one day. One of those guys was robert england oh, that's super cool. Yeah, robert england for those that don't know was uh, he was the guy who portrayed freddie in nightmare on elm street.
Speaker 5:He also played a doctor in a other lesser known movie that now that I want to say it, I can't remember the name, but it was basically like a mockumentary, uh, where they they basically filmed the guy that was going to do a killing and then it swaps over to cinema. Do you remember the name of that? But he played I don't remember the doctor something like hall singer hall something, oh my god, if, if you remember, put it in the comments.
Speaker 2:Uh, any of my listeners, if you, if you know what we're talking about, put it in the comments but, yeah, yeah, john carpenter paid robert england to throw leaves onto the set for a day.
Speaker 2:No, that's not the one I'm thinking of either, behind the mask oh yeah, it's called behind the mask yeah the rise of leslie vernon robert yeah, no, this, this movie was just kind of a lot of fun, um, like, and and I don't know like it.
Speaker 2:I think I don't know like it, I think I don't know that I that I really watched this in my adult life. I'm pretty sure the last time I saw this movie uh, until watching it for for this episode, I think the last time I watched it I was probably like maybe eight or nine and it was totally on, like you know, with joe bob riggs or something you know, like one of those goofy things, um, and and so I don't know, I I think I appreciate it a little bit more now than I did then, mostly because I just I I've never really been into horror flicks, but watching it this time around, um, I, I definitely did come away with a, with more of an appreciation of how, of how they bring people into movies with horror flicks. I think that they, um, that there's definitely a different kind of movie making style, that they do with it, that that I I need to give them credit for well, and it's.
Speaker 5:It's also proof you were talking about it being a lower budget film. You know, and I mentioned Blair Witch Project earlier it's proof that it's not about the budget. You could have a multi million dollar film, half a billion dollar film, fucking tank right. You have this low budget, like Jamie Lee Curtis going to J Penny rental car spray painted mass and they made like a masterpiece. Right.
Speaker 2:You know, it's incredible, the very first, the very first episode of of October, um, you know, I mean, the just one of the recent episodes I did with Derek was, um, we had talked about, we had talked about alien resurrection and how that had like a 76 billion or $76 million budget and it was a shit movie, like I mean, it was just absolute garbage. And this and this guy, you know fucking john carpenter, takes you know less than half a million dollars and turns it into 145. You know, that's that's pretty incredible. So I I my my applause go to you, john carpenter, that that was great work.
Speaker 5:Yeah, badass.
Speaker 2:So, um, anyway, uh, I'm going to go ahead and and, uh, cut this one off here. Uh, is there uh anything that you want to, that you want to plug for your, for your stuff, chef?
Speaker 5:Well, if there's anybody listening, that is oh what the hell just happened there Way to ruin my everything. Oh what the hell just happened there Way to ruin my everything Okay.
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