Movie RX
Dr. Benjamin prescribes movies that help and heal through his own experiences or the experiences of others.
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Marriage Story (2019)
Netflix's "Marriage Story" delivers one of the most authentic portrayals of divorce ever captured on screen. Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson bring Charlie and Nicole to life with such raw intensity that watching their relationship unravel feels almost voyeuristic – like witnessing the private moments of a couple you've known for years.
What begins with loving words read from mediator-assigned lists quickly deteriorates into the messy reality of separation. The film brilliantly captures how two fundamentally good people who once built a life together can find themselves on opposite sides of an increasingly bitter divide. Nicole seeks to reclaim her identity in Los Angeles near her family while pursuing television work, while Charlie clings to their New York life and his theater company. Between them stands their young son Henry, who becomes both the bridge they must maintain and sometimes the bargaining chip in their negotiations.
The podcast conversation dives deep into personal connections with the film, as hosts and guests share their own divorce experiences alongside their analysis. They explore how the performances – particularly the explosive argument scene – capture the emotional hurricane that divorce creates. The discussion examines how lawyers (played masterfully by Laura Dern and Ray Liotta) transform what could have been an amicable split into trench warfare, complete with character assassination and tactical maneuvers.
Beyond the pain, the podcast highlights the film's nuanced exploration of growth and rebuilding. Nicole finds her voice and boundaries, while Charlie must confront the reality that his career-focused life has cost him his family structure. The hosts discuss how the movie avoids villainizing either character, instead showing how personal growth and changing priorities can naturally pull even loving couples apart.
Have you experienced the painful process of separating lives that were once intertwined? Or watched as friends navigated this difficult terrain? Share your thoughts with us and let us know what films have helped you process life's most challenging transitions.
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Hello and welcome to MovieRx, where I prescribe entertainment, one movie at a time. I am your host, dr Benjamin, and today I've got two guests. I've got my producer, jen, also in the studio. She's joining us today. Hello Welcome, jen.
Speaker 1:Hi dear.
Speaker 2:And then I have my sister, jamie of the. I don't even know what to say. You're from the Roundtable Mindset, aren't you doing something else, or something like that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, roundtable Mindset for now, and I don't know what the next project's going to be, but there's a couple in the works, so we'll see.
Speaker 2:Oh well, there you go, my two guests today. I brought them on specifically because they have a little bit more of a handle on the movie that we're discussing today than I do. I've only experienced a part of what this movie is called. Today we're talking about Netflix's original marriage story. I've been married.
Speaker 3:Thank you, Jen. You're're welcome for a few months anyway.
Speaker 2:As much as this is as much as this is called marriage story, this story doesn't really seem to be about being married as much as it is about getting divorced. So which, um, I mean, I guess in some cases that's a part of being married 50 percent, I think.
Speaker 3:I'm sure it's grown. I think it's the going rate yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2:Basic movie info on this movie Netflix original released in 2019. Written and directed by Noah Baumbach. As far as Adam Driver, scarlett Johansson and Julia Greer, and as far as the description goes on this film, I mean really it's just, it's Kylo Ren and Black Widow kind of working their way through a divorce.
Speaker 3:Breaking up is hard to do. Yeah, and it's from two different worlds.
Speaker 2:From two different universes. But yeah, I mean so. I mean we've got Adam Driver who's playing this brilliant playwriter in New York. He's not from New York but I mean there's, there's a. She says in here a couple of times that he's more New Yorker than any New York. She wants to live in LA with her family, where they're at, and she wants to be in TV shows and movies and things like that. But of course, like any divorce story, they have kind of an added obstacle in there they have a child together.
Speaker 3:Who might be the coolest kid ever? Huh, who might be the?
Speaker 2:coolest kid ever. Huh, who might be the coolest kid ever?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, I don't know when he's with his, when he's with his dad, he's, he's like a mini me sometimes when he's with, when he's with his dad, you're just like, could you be any more of a drag, like, but, um, but I mean even then that that kind of fluctuates a little bit because, uh, I mean kids kind of go into this dad mode, mom mode sort of thing, and for a good portion of this movie he's definitely in mom mode, so, um, anyway. So, uh, as far as jen and jen and I I think we watched this movie for the first time at the same time, right, I don't remember.
Speaker 2:I knew it was one that I wanted to watch once I saw I'm pretty sure that it was one of those things where it was like where you found it? Yes, yes, and you were like it has Adam Driver in it, and I was like, okay, let's watch it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it was one of those nights where we're like I don't know what to watch and I'm like, fuck it, let's watch this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean, I'm pretty sure that's where that came from for us. And Jamie, where did when did you find this movie?
Speaker 3:Upon recommendation of doing this episode.
Speaker 1:Oh. Like most of the good movies she watches.
Speaker 3:This kind of yeah, I mean, let's just be real.
Speaker 1:Okay, fair enough. Jamie doesn't listen to us when we tell her to watch something until we say, hey, let's do an episode.
Speaker 2:You're stretching and growing me yeah, that is kind of how growing trap you into watching good movies that you won't watch stretching and growing.
Speaker 3:It's good. It's a good thing strong watching good movies torture like the well tiny. I just I don't watch a ton of new movies because I'm kind of I'm totally a tv person, like I have TV series that I watch like over and over.
Speaker 1:But you don't watch them, like they're playing in the background.
Speaker 3:The new ones I have to watch, but those ones that are playing in the background because it's you know that's. Those are my comfort series, that I've seen enough, that I just you know.
Speaker 2:So a little bit of background for the audience here. This is I don't know how many times we've intended to sit down and record this episode. Uh, we're, we're taught. We're looking at like three or four times now that we were intending to record this one over many months over. Well, since since season one, yeah like pretty close halfway through season one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean this this has been kind of a long time in in, uh, in waiting for recording, um, but for whatever reason things just kept coming up and and whatever uh because we're old and work.
Speaker 3:Well, right, I was gonna say my, my prime podcasting time was with my own full-time podcast, so I think that was a big barrier too.
Speaker 1:So what she's saying is we just blame Jamie.
Speaker 3:Yep, blame Jamie, I'll take it, it's fine.
Speaker 1:Even though the last one was totally Ben's fault.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was my fault, Greed Greed is an awful thing. He wanted another guitar I, I totally have a beautiful schecter bass now, though, which is so cool. Um, now with with this movie, uh, part of the reason why I wanted you guys on it is because this is something that you guys have experienced, uh, a little bit more than me, because of how many times that we were supposed to record this. I have viewed this movie probably four or five times in the last nine months or so.
Speaker 3:I have to tell you I'm super grateful that it's on Netflix and it's free, because otherwise if I rented it. I would really be pissed at you by now.
Speaker 1:Right, which is one of the reasons why I might as well just buy it everybody has Netflix, everybody has Netflix so like, yeah, go watch this movie, it's great.
Speaker 2:But, like with having to watch it so many times, um, like jen likes this movie, correct?
Speaker 1:it, it's, it's one of those. The reaction that I'd get every time I started this movie was so we're gonna be depressed tonight, okay, jen likes this movie right um it's one of those movies that, honestly, like once we start it, I don't know if it's going to be a time where I can get all the way through the movie or if it's going to be one of those times where I just start bawling, just kind of seeing and remembering, and yeah no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Their ability to portray small emotions and large emotions in a small way, and all of that stuff in this movie is just absolutely phenomenal From a technical aspect. Um, from a technical aspect, I, I, I don't know that the acting could have been any better in this movie than it already is. Um, and and the writing, I mean the writing could have been, the writing could have had that all of that emotion in it and it still would have been absent without the right actors.
Speaker 3:And they did a great job casting people um. But see, that's, that's why I get excited when I watch this movie. I was not like, yeah, not as excited. I hate scarlett johansson and everything I've ever seen her in until this movie. Yes, she's not my favorite. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:It's the opposite for me. I like her in other movies.
Speaker 3:I fucking want to throat punch her in this movie so many times I have some thoughts about that too, because I watched it again today before we recorded. Because why not, you know, watch a movie six or seven times before you actually get to, you know, do the project. But um, I, today I felt a lot different about her than I did the last time I watched the movie. So I'm interested to hear, oh, yeah, yeah, like her character.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, why don't, why don't we start with that? Um, so so the basis of this, of this argument here we start off with uh, they're ending their show in New York and they're looking at taking it to Broadway, except that they're going to be doing it without Nicole because she's moving back to to California and she's taking, uh, uh, she's taking their son with her, henry. Well, uh, charlie intends on, you know, letting her go to california for a while, but expects her to come back. They start talking about a divorce and they she's sneaky as shit well, they agree on no lawyers like they
Speaker 2:agree on a mediator, they agree that there's no lawyers and, like, this mediator has them write down these lists of things that they like about each other, and that that is truly how the movie opens, is that they're the each of them are reading from this list of things that they've written about each other and and there's a nice little montage that goes with it and everything. But in the office, nicole is refusing to read her list because she doesn't like what she wrote. And Charlie, I like what I wrote, I'd be willing to do it, I like what I wrote. And then you know when, when the mediator suggests, okay, well, how about? How about? Charlie reads his, and that might make you feel like you want to, you want to read yours, I don't want to hear Charlie's.
Speaker 2:Well, in order for this to work, you know you have to, you have to agree. Well, we agreed, we agreed to work on this. And, nicole, you know well, if you guys are just going to suck each other's dicks, then I'm leaving, you know she takes off and leaves, and I'm leaving, you know, she takes off and leaves. So, like, that's kind of. Really, the precedent of this whole thing is that everything starts off fine with these two, and usually they're even kind of friendly to each other. You know, like, almost like they're buddies.
Speaker 1:I don't know that I would call it friendly. I think I would call it indifferent.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, except that well, especially in this context at least, they're saying all these really nice things about each other, and then it just explodes.
Speaker 3:Can I just say this was the most millennial movie I've probably watched in a long time, because it opens up and you're just like, oh my God, that's so sweet. It opens up and you're just like, oh my God, that's so sweet. And you get a whole three minutes of feeling really good before you get slapped in the face with a mediator saying screw you, we're getting divorced.
Speaker 2:It's the opposite of up yeah Up, where you get made to feel like shit before you get to laugh the rest of the time.
Speaker 3:I was like this is the, this is the worst way. It's so emo. It was just emo Like, okay, now we're going to be sad. Thank you for that for two hours of sad when they're really vicious in these explosions.
Speaker 2:Uh, and and and. They're just really like. That's when you start to see the toxicity between them. Uh, is is in those explosive moments, but everything up to that point is it? It almost hurts your teeth.
Speaker 1:It's so fucking sweet so I think it gets less and less as the movie goes.
Speaker 3:Like the more she gets angry at him, the more like I don't even know how to describe her like with the halloween thing and the trick-or-treating and yeah maybe I should save this for the end, as some like big wrap-up, but I what what I found was really interesting is that I almost, I mean I totally, saw myself in her, because I feel like there was this whole that sassy girl.
Speaker 2:I hate her, I hate her jamie's, like oh, I can see, I can see myself in her Jen's, like totally.
Speaker 1:No, jamie, like Jamie is she when she gets angry enough and wants to put her foot down, like it goes through the floor with how far she puts her foot down.
Speaker 2:Which, by the way, I love that scene when she's dressed as David Bowie and gets off the phone and stomps her foot and dude's just like did you just stamp your foot? Yeah, I love that moment.
Speaker 3:It was great. It was fantastic, no, I think, and not so much like her personality, I guess, but I saw the process. You know what I mean. Like, and I don't know even the last five or six times. However many times we've watched this already, I don't remember seeing it so clearly as I did this time.
Speaker 3:Like you know, I think there was there was a phase where she was so in love with the idea of what their life was going to be that she accepted all kinds of things, and then it almost seemed like it was like a light switch right. Like she was like I am not accepting this anymore and I'm going to do something different. And then she had to get angry and she had to demonize him and she had to go through this whole process. And this morning I was reflecting on that. I'm like, holy crap, that is totally the process, and I think it's a grief process. You know where you're trying to make it work. You're trying to negotiate, you're trying to be kind and amicable, and then you just have to go through a process. So, yeah, I identified with her so much. It's like she changed the rules and he was always the same. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Right and see, like I understand going through that process and I mean I went through it too, like I. I am a people pleaser. You guys know me, I've been a doormat for most of my life but the way she went about, things got sneakier and shittier as the movie went on, and I think that's where I have a problem with her. Yeah, I mean cause.
Speaker 2:I understand her argument like the, the, the story that she told in in Laura Dern's office. Um, the the lawyer. I don't remember the lawyer's character's name. I've seen the movie five times and now I don't remember the lawyer's name. But nasty, nasty woman lawyer, she's sitting in her office and she goes through that, that monologue. And first off, let's just say that was that was a really good way to do a monologue in a movie. I just say that was that was a really good way to do a monologue in a movie. I I didn't feel like it was a monologue until it got to the end and I was like holy shit, they just did a monologue in a fucking movie.
Speaker 3:They just slapped you up with a monologue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it was a play and they did it really well and it like I understand her, her, through that, like how she's talking about, how you know she, how she lost herself in him. Uh, she, you know, she didn't have an identity of her own because she made her identity a part of him. Um, she, she gave up so much of who she was that she didn't have a self. Um, because, because of the identity that she built in a relationship with him and how you know, at one point she even felt like maybe even you know, a kid would be something that she could have that was just hers, you know, uh, or at least something that was separate enough that that it could be that it wasn't just him, you know. I mean, I get all of those things. I understand that and I and I sympathized, uh, but or, yeah, empathized with with the character in that regard.
Speaker 2:I just couldn't get past the fact that they agreed no lawyers and she was sitting in a fucking lawyer's office.
Speaker 1:And she had already seen so many of them before that, well, no, I'm pretty sure that.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure that that was a. I'm pretty sure that that was a direction from her lawyer to go and consult with other lawyers.
Speaker 1:No, she says um, before that lawyer got suggested to her, she said well, I already went and saw these with my sister and I didn't like any of them. So while she was saying no lawyers, she was going to all of these offices and the only reason why she didn't have one yet was because she didn't like them right, but uh, but then she found the the laura dern version of of uh, jim carrey, you know from from liar, liar you know, wake up sisters, no such thing as a weaker sex.
Speaker 3:Oh my God. It was such a good movie. You did forget another big, big character in the movie. What's that? Ray Liotta? Hello.
Speaker 2:He yes, when she slaps him upside the head with papers and he needs to go find himself a lawyer. Meeting with Ray Liotta he yes.
Speaker 3:Well, I was going to say here was something else that I saw when I watched it this last time. When they were in court, it was almost like the ugly versions of themselves were sitting next to them in the lawyer chair. You know what I mean. Like it was, it was such a really, it was such a good, well written portion, I think, where you got to see it was like that alter ego, the yucky side, and then afterwards they were like why are we doing this? Can we try this again? Like can we try and do this without attorneys? And so I think that was such a big theme for me throughout this movie is like the lawyers possessed or presented the narrative right. They shaped a story that really wasn't the story and each of them kind of bought into that throughout the process and that was really kind of sad because it's like they forgot who the other really was.
Speaker 1:you know what I mean I don't think that he bought into it nearly as much as she did, though, like he was defending her yeah, like I feel like that, that well, I mean even even in the courtroom.
Speaker 2:You know you put that money into a joint bank account. Doesn't matter, none of it's going to be left. I'm using it all to just to divorce her, like he.
Speaker 2:He's clearly got some bitterness at the fact that he's, that he has a lawyer and that they're doing this with lawyers anyway. Um, which I think is why, why it kept becoming a thing for me all throughout this movie, like I could not let go of that through every interaction between these two. You agreed to no fucking lawyers, but now you're both being represented by these lawyers and let me just let me just like point out here there's there's this thing, this recurring thing throughout the movie, with Laura Dern, where she's pointing out that, well, they were married here in LA and they they, you know, had their kid here in LA and her family's here in LA, la, and they did all of these other things in LA. But you know, it's clearly an LA based family. Well, yeah, she's got family there, well, you know.
Speaker 2:And then the whole the whole thing with the uh, uh, you know, and you know, basically she would, she would then say, you know that, well, you know, it's that it was so wrong of him not to take them back to LA, so much Like that they, you know, they had agreed to spend some time in LA, and it's like, well, you can't have it both fucking ways. Laura Dern, like you've been arguing about how all of this stuff happens in LA, but now you're saying that they didn't go back to LA enough.
Speaker 1:But why can't she have it both ways?
Speaker 3:Why can't she have it both ways and it's like fuck you, bitch.
Speaker 2:Just, I can't stand it. I hate it. I hate it and that's why I love Laura Dern. Love laura dern because she can portray any character, whether you want to love her or hate her. She in any movie?
Speaker 1:yeah, what's that I said? She a twat waffle like everything that came out of her mouth. At first I was like, okay, cool, you know, she's really really, really, really fighting for scarlett johansson and all of that stuff. But like she twists everything and like they were gonna do 50, 50 and then at the last second, oh my god.
Speaker 1:But like at the last, the last second, she's like well, I made it, so you have more time, because I didn't want him to say it was 50 50. The whole freaking thing of a relationship is it's supposed to be, you know, 50, 50. Well, not necessarily, there's a whole different side of that, but that's when they're actually together and I think we touched on that in other episodes.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I just vindictiveness, I don't okay'm just going to throw this out here, right here yes To all the things. Okay, he, he also slept around on her, like I mean he did. Yeah so like I'm sorry, I'd be pretty upset too. That's that's a.
Speaker 2:That's an unforgivable sin. Uh, the, uh, the, the, uh, the. The only the only thing that that I liked about uh, about his retorts to that, the only thing that he said that in response to that that I appreciated was the. You know you should have been upset that I had a laugh with her, like that, I shared a moment with her, kind of thing, because that that's where that shit starts. Like if, if somebody doesn't feel like they can have those moments with you anymore and then they they have that moment accidentally somewhere else, then that's where that that distraction thing comes from. And uh, and, and so I appreciated the message that he had in that, not saying that it's, it's okay by any means, but, but I mean but. But he makes a fair point. Like if, if you're not going to laugh with me and somebody else laughs with me, you know that's what you should be upset about.
Speaker 1:And the whole emotional connection, not just the physical.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to take the two of their heads and bash them together and be like why didn't you pay attention to the sooner? You know what I mean. Like if you were in a space where you couldn't laugh with her and she was in a space where she felt like her whole life was about you. Why weren't we talking about this forever ago instead of just going straight for the nuclear button?
Speaker 1:you know what I mean to be fair, like and I mean ben, ben had to kind of witness some of this, um, but like I in my own divorce had, before it started happening, I flat out said hey, I'm uh feeling more like a roommate or a mother than I am a wife. Can we spend some time together? Can we go to marriage counseling? Can we do something about this before it's too late? And it never changed. He was one of those, like he flat out said you know, that's what marriage is is having the same fight over and over and over until you die. And I'm like I don't want that. Who does Right?
Speaker 1:over and over and over until you die and I'm like I don't want that. Who does right? Because it's like I I'm telling you what you are doing and saying and and how you're acting is hurting me very, very badly and you apologize for it and then you go back to doing the same exact thing. At first it was like a week before it would go back to how it was, then it was a couple of days and then the very next day it would be the same thing. Like you get to that point where you feel and I don't have children, I felt like more of a mother and a maid and just someone who's around when it's convenient.
Speaker 2:Then I did a wife, like I just felt and if, like, he had to do anything with me, it felt like an obligation and not that he wanted to actually spend time with me and I I told him I'm like I don't want this and I feel like it's going to end very badly if this doesn't change and of course it didn't I think, I think that with with any kind of, with any kind of a splitting of people, there's usually some kind of sign, um, and especially two people who, especially two people who commit to a, an whether it's religious or not to you know, live the rest of their lives together, um, you know, I mean generally you've got some pretty strong feelings about that person and the when, when you get to that point, the, the amount of betrayal that you feel when those things start to go away. I think that's probably part of the reason why divorces get so nasty is because it feels like a betrayal, like not just a blowing off but a malicious betrayal.
Speaker 1:Like I wasn't good enough for him to want to spend time with Right, Like I was just kind of thrown aside. What?
Speaker 2:about you.
Speaker 3:Jamie Well and I kind of alluded to this earlier I felt like he didn't change, like there was. He was the same person he was when they got together and I think she kind of talked about how she was young. She was just, she didn't feel like she felt dead inside and he brought something to life in her, and so she almost alluded to like overlooking red flags and just kind of being in it with him. And then her, I guess her willingness to go with that flow or whatever shifted over time and I think that's kind of where I identified the most is that you know, when I got married, I was marrying a much older person and I was still young and my brain was not fully fully done developing yet and by the time I hit 30 years old I was a whole different person and I had changed the rules of the game because For the younger listeners out there.
Speaker 1:Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, do not get married until you're at least like mid to late 20s, because I got married young and it was a bad idea.
Speaker 3:Serious. Well, yeah, you don't know who you are yet.
Speaker 2:From my perspective, especially with Jamie I, I didn't really get to experience a whole lot of that beginning stuff with you, jen, uh in in in your marriage, but I, I feel like I feel like for you it was different because you not only did you finally catch up like as you grew, but then you passed your partner in maturity and I think that's kind of where the struggle happened for you, would you say that's.
Speaker 3:That sounds way meaner than it actually is.
Speaker 2:That's kind of where the struggle happened for you, would you say that's. That sounds way meaner than it actually is, right, I don't know that there's really a nice way to say it.
Speaker 3:I don't know that there's a nice way to say that, but you know I do. I think what I needed when I was 23 years old was a whole lot different than when I needed at 30. And typically I think if two people are coming together when they're younger, the hope is is that they would grow together and that they would kind of learn like, learn how to be, be that for each other when they need it and when you've, when you, when you marry someone who's quite a bit older than you and is just set in their ways and literally has like the mantra in life that you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I don't know how that's going to.
Speaker 2:how do you grow together, then your rate of growth is not going to match.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I do. The other thing that I thought was interesting is they wrote those notes or whatever those, the things that they read in the very, very beginning. They wrote those in the middle of Yuck as they were really separating their lives and things like that. And what I thought was really interesting, and a big point for me that I did have to come to eventually, is that both things can exist at the same time. There can be things about the other person that you really do appreciate and that you like and care about and adore, and it can still not be a good fit. You know what I mean like. So I think that was something. It took me a while to get there, but eventually, like that anger and and the um, feeling of scorn or whatever eventually went away and it was like you know what. I can appreciate what it was when it was and I can also appreciate that it's not in my life anymore. You know what I mean. Right, both of those things can coexist and it's okay, right see, and I guess I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like I have that. Like I was young and he kind of I have the opposite where he put himself off as like a person that likes to be around people and friends and do things and then once I got like more like once our relationship was more solid he just completely shut me out from everyone around me. I stopped having friends. I stopped getting invited to go places he never wanted to go with. So if I went and then I came back home, he was like well, you left me home alone all day. Yeah, and even when I was home, he would like go out to the garage and do his own thing all day, so I would just be sitting at home alone all day. Um, I felt very isolated and like that was a majority of our relationship was me being isolated. So I guess I don't see a whole lot of good or remember a whole lot of good. I just remember a whole lot of like broken promises and you know you did this to me and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:Right, well, and I mean this isn't universal, I mean because there are just toxic relationships, you know, people getting into relationships misrepresenting the people that they are, uh, people who are, uh, controlling, manipulative, abusive, uh things like that, that try to, um, that that do very good at covering, at covering those traits, until until they get into a position of power where they can make the decisions and, uh, and take the control and when I first met you, I thought you were a bit of a jerk, because you flat out told him you know, man, she really, like, made you less of an asshole and I had no idea what you were talking about.
Speaker 2:He played the part. Well, you know, like the, I'm a married guy now and I don't treat people like a dick, like I used to and uh, and it just evolved um into, you know, talking shit about people when they weren't there rather than rather than just being an asshole to their face.
Speaker 3:Um, it's not also discount? I do think that. I think that circumstances change too when you talk about things like mental health or substance use or domestic violence or domestic abuse. I mean, there's some other elements, I think, that change things and I didn't see any of that in their story, but I do think that that can really shift the landscape in a relationship super fast, definitely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, reason, and I learned something from it and I grew, I grew through it or, um, you know, the things can exist at the same time. I think that changes when you bring in things like domestic abuse or mental health challenges or, you know, addiction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um no, I think I think that's that's right on. I think that's that's a hit and a nail right on the head. Is I mean this? This I don't think was, was one of those uh malicious situations. I think it was two people who, um I, I think it was two people who had a similar vision, uh, of of the life they wanted, but as they grew, they grew apart.
Speaker 3:Well, which is?
Speaker 2:super common.
Speaker 3:I am watching this movie today I don't know if you read my notes that I added today, because I did add some notes I almost wonder if Charlie is like super high functioning autistic. There were some very autistic things going on there and I thought, gosh, I mean, there was points where I was like if he would have recognized that, if she could have, like, I wonder what would have been different if he would have sought therapy for that, or if she would have understood that some of those very rigid things about him that I think drove her crazy, um, that there was a reason for that. That, like, at the end she kept calling him selfish and I got really frustrated with that because I was like I don't know that it's selfish, I think. I think that that that could be neurodiversity, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, and not only that, like she says, during, like all throughout the movie, he did all of that stuff on his own. He had no one to help him, he had nothing to start out with and like when you come from a place of nothing and you build yourself up to where you like, where he was, like it's hard to let go of any of that control because you're so scared of going back to nothing. So I think a lot of that also had to do with the fact that he was self-made and he had to work his ass off to get to where he was.
Speaker 2:He was scared to trust someone enough to let them take some of that yeah, that's and, and that's kind of where I was, where I was at with it. I don't doubt the autism thing at all because they I mean they, they even talk about how autism is is a lot of the of times in this film, like where he got a MacArthur grant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I was like that is also huge too, the. You know that he, he came from nothing somewhere in Illinois or Indiana or whatever, and moved to New York, became a New Yorker and and got on the on the cover of timeout magazine. You know like, I mean just all these, all these huge things. He becomes a hot shit lawyer or a hot shit director and now he doesn't want to give it up. And I think, without sounding like I'm insulting the shit out of Nicole, that is him, he is the director and she's not a part of that success, aside from being in his shows. He knows that that, that her being a part of his shows is important. He's. He says himself she's my favorite actress, you know, but like, but he did that himself and I wonder I wonder if that becomes a bitterness thing on her part where, like I gave up this possible lucrative career as a movie actress, I mean starting off showing her tits in some teenage movie, but she could have gone into some bigger, better movies and uh, and then he, you know he ends up taking the spotlight as the director and her, her name, the importance of her name on on the marquee maybe just didn't feel like it was so important anymore. Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't know there's there's so many things between these two that that I don't think was was really delved into too much to to show why, uh, why they they kind of separated in their paths.
Speaker 2:Um, because most of the stuff that we hear about is just, it's the circumstantial bullshit that you hear about in any divorce. You know the the normal, regular stuff like, well, I don't want to live there, I want to live here. Well, I don't want to live there, I'm staying here. And well, you know, we, we always agreed to be here. Well, we're not going there. Why? Because I said so, and you know who are you to say so. And like, I mean it, just, it just.
Speaker 3:Don't you think, though? I feel, like those are all things that are absolutely able to be ignored and overcome if you choose to. You know what I mean, well, he couldn't really just up and move.
Speaker 1:He had a whole freaking studio there, Like he had a business there with all of these employees that depended on him. You can do shows and movies anywhere, and they're only for the amount of time that the movie or show is being filmed.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, but I also think I mean I think that there is a time where and this is, I think, healthy relationships there's times where we all bend right, Like sometimes I bend a little more than he bends and sometimes he bends a little more than I bend. I think the key is is being able to know and trust that when it's your time, the bending will happen for you too. I mean, there's nothing. I don't see anything in their relationship that wasn't overcomable if they chose to. But we also have the ability to say you know what I can't, I'm not vending anymore.
Speaker 1:I will say that when I was married we lived Because you're married now.
Speaker 3:Well you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:When I was married the first time, we lived in a triplex and it wasn't a great house, it wasn't a great neighborhood, it was some. We had a guy downstairs that was just a complete alcoholic mess and I just didn't want to be there anymore. And I had asked for years and years and years Can we please not re-up our lease? Can we please go somewhere else, please? I don't like being in the middle of both of our families where we have to pick and decide which family we go to see every three months, that we even get time to go see either side of the family, like, can we just live closer to one and then, when we have time off, we can go see the other family? I didn't even care which one at that point, but it was always just no, maybe next year. No, maybe next year.
Speaker 2:And finally, we're getting too close to the, we're getting too close to the signing and we haven't planned anything Right. We'll look at it next time, even though I asked and asked and asked.
Speaker 1:So after like four years of that being brushed off, and brushed off, and brushed off, I finally said look, I am not signing the lease. I would love for you to come with me, but I am not doing this again because I have asked for years and you blew me off every single time.
Speaker 2:I'm not doing it also. I also remember that, that you felt bad about that I did.
Speaker 1:I felt fucking terrible but I couldn't. I couldn't deal with with the drunken guy downstairs putting his work boots in the dryer at three o'clock in the morning and screaming to himself. I couldn't deal with the water dripping down the freaking walls and when the pipe bursts, and only seeing my family twice a year and like I was just done.
Speaker 3:If you think about even the two of them. Charlie was comfortable in New York and she even said he will make family with anyone who's around him. He has an amazing ability to make family with whoever's about him around him.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean because he was well, he didn't have very good family.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, and so you think about the people around him were the people that he made his, his chosen family yeah and like I love, like I love how she, how they uh in in that moment when she was reading her thing and he and they were showing video of of all of those moments where he was like embodying be being more new yorker than a new yorker kind of thing. You know he can and he remembers all of the, all of the inside jokes, you know, and he hands the guy the coffee. You know where do you go when it's windy, you know, and all that stuff like it. It really does show it, it does a, it does a really great job of showing of Charlie's ability to find comfort anywhere and in anybody.
Speaker 3:And, in contrast, cole was very connected to her family. She had an amazing relationship with her mom and her sister, and so I imagine that must be a really difficult space to be in, where he's fine not having any of that support system, because he didn't have one.
Speaker 3:He left his to go to New York and she left hers to be with him, and that would be a really difficult space to be in too, I think hers to be with him and that would be a really difficult space to be into, I think, yeah, but another angle to this that I was not expecting when I watched it today is how much her mom in all of this breakup. I loved how her mom was like, but we love Charlie. I don't care. He's still part of the family and she's still like having lunch with her daughter's ex and all of this and you know it really made me reflect on, as a parent with grown children now, how attached I have become and how hard those breakups are for me, like you know, and she's like Mom, I need your support, like you. Just you have to be on my side.
Speaker 2:I need you to hate him, yeah, and real.
Speaker 3:Recently I was in that space with mine, with my daughter, and that was so hard because I really had grown to care about her significant other that she was breaking up with, and she got so mad at me because I just couldn't be mad at him. You know what I mean. Like, I mean I didn't have any ill will, I don't, and I absolutely respect.
Speaker 2:You also weren't going to lunch with him once a week.
Speaker 3:I was not. And I have not reached out and had you know any contact at all, but at the same time, like I'm, I'm she needed to demonize him and I didn't. You know what I mean. Like it's, it's okay, you go through that process and I haven't explained that to her.
Speaker 2:You can see that with the rest of the family like his sister or her sister was, you know, going for a part and him being a director. Who better to consult with about? You know what you're doing going into a new project than a director, right, you know. And so they're in the kitchen. You know, doing all the British accents and everything. Oh, you want a cup of tea, do you?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And like they genuinely enjoy their time with each other. And God, how frustrating would that have been. Like for her to walk in and see her sister and her soon to be ex-husband like laughing it up, like it's just, you know, like it's just another holiday gathering, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I did have. I did have some of that, but like my ex wasn't super close to my family, like he went to most family get-togethers, yes, and we were together for a long time, but it's not like they hung out outside of me. And then I I found out during the divorce there were text messages and meetings and stuff like that and it did piss me off, right, because they did not have a relationship outside of me until it was the end.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, and that feels a little more malicious. Yeah, See, and that that feels a little more malicious. Uh, that that could. That feels like it's more hurtful, uh, when, when there's the absence of that, of that comfort, that that familiarity, and then, because then that almost that goes from. You know, I need you to be, I need you to be on my side and I need you to you to to hate them, it goes from that to feeling like you're being betrayed by your family.
Speaker 1:Well, and like it was just. It was just the fact that my ex basically told like I'm pretty sure in some words may not be exactly the same, obviously, because it's been forever, but he basically said that all of my family were worthless pieces of shit and like bad mouth them.
Speaker 1:And then he was and then suddenly friends with them, yeah so yeah, he was calling them, you know trash and all of this stuff, and then saying all this shit behind my back see, and I feel like that was really different with Charlie and Nicole and her family, because he really loved her family.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and even talked about that over and over again, like how he really loved her family. And I think that's another point that kind of came through in this movie and just reflected for me is how, um, how it doesn't just affect the couple, the nuclear family, right, like it doesn't affect just her and him and the and the babies, it also affects the bigger family and although, um, you know I talked about my daughter's breakup, but you know she's with somebody who's amazing now and I'm excited to get to know him and bring him in as part of our family too, you know what I mean and I think that's that poor kid.
Speaker 1:We're all crazy.
Speaker 3:He seems to embrace it. It's fine. But you know, it's just, it's funny, how, how I don't, and I don't know, I don't know. I just always feel like the table's big enough for everybody. It's fine. You know what I mean. Like it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be ugly, and I, I hope that I think I think Hannah's over it now. I think I think Hannah's over it now.
Speaker 1:But you know, I I just that's that's who, that's who I raised her to be too, and so I hope someday that she'll she'll understand why it's like ah, it's fine, it's fine, it wasn't a match, we can all move on and just know that it just you are at her age. You are definitely in that part of your life where you are trying to figure out who you are, you're trying to figure out what you want, and that was the age where I got married and it was not a good time.
Speaker 2:Um, because you become hard to figure out who you are when you're with somebody else.
Speaker 3:I will forever be a proponent of waiting to get married until you're 26. Just wait.
Speaker 1:It is science that your brain is not growing. Please, please, please, just listen people.
Speaker 3:Although I probably would be as annoyed as my kids seem to be when I tell them that over and over again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, mom, shut up, I get it, but it's. I think that that, particularly for me, was the big issue. And I also wonder. I think it would also be difficult for two young people to get married so young, because if you're not really careful and intentional about making sure that you grow and make those changes and make those concessions and understand, like grow a new understanding of one another, it would be really easy to just wake up one day and realize I don't even know who this person is. Why did I marry them Right?
Speaker 3:I can easily say I would probably make a different choice, and I can say this because I adopted my kids. I would make a different choice. I don't know if I could go back and do it over again, because I could still adopt my babies and still have my kids. I would make a different choice I would have if I would have known what I know now and I learned from it, I grew from it. There are parts of me that would not be where I'm at now if it wasn't for that experience too. So it's such a catch-22, I think. But I think one of the things that I did appreciate about this movie is okay, I don't know if I appreciate it or not because it wasn't like a happy ending and that kind of sucks Like, if I'm going to spend the time, spending two hours of my life, on a movie, give me a happy ending. It was not how the world works, Jamie.
Speaker 3:Well, that's why I watch movies.
Speaker 1:But this was supposed to be a real movie.
Speaker 3:Let me, let me have reality for two hours. It's fine, I can make that my reality, but it was like a happy-ish ending, you know what I mean. Like it wasn't. I would have loved for them to.
Speaker 2:I think that you're seeing happiness where, where, if you really sat in his shoes, it changes.
Speaker 1:He's like literally a wall.
Speaker 2:He really pointed this out for me last night, or the night before last, when we watched this again.
Speaker 1:When he went back into that house and saw that he was completely removed from all of those photos, saw that like nobody was overly happy to see him and like she, she goes through the whole movie sitting there saying how much he loves being a dad and how, how it's almost annoying how much he loves being a dad and she kind of don't get me wrong, he's still a dad, it's just so much less. And he doesn't have a family and now he has to move because he basically went bankrupt with all of the divorce stuff. Like his, his theater family is gone.
Speaker 2:Like he is alone he basically at the end of the movie. Look at it from his perspective. He has nothing. He has nobody. The only person he has is his son, and at one point she even tried to imply that he was fighting for something he didn't want.
Speaker 3:No, and that's why I said he doesn't have any of it, he doesn't have any, something he didn't want. No, and that's why I said and he, doesn't have any of it.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have any family, he doesn't have any friends. He has a job that he doesn't want. His theater is gone.
Speaker 1:And he's living somewhere he doesn't want to be.
Speaker 2:And he's living somewhere with too much space.
Speaker 1:And he doesn't even have his son half of the time Right.
Speaker 3:Well, actually son half of the time, right, well, actually, well, the nice thing is the night.
Speaker 2:That is. The one bright and shining thing through all of this is that it seems like she finally gets to a point where she's like uh, the technicalities or whatever, if you want to take him, go ahead and take him, like. I mean, that is, the one bonus to this is that it is it feels like it's going to that If you want to spend time with your dad, I'll let you spend time with your dad, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:Well, and here's why I call it happy ish, because we didn't get to see the fruition Right, like we just saw the beginning of, I think, the after the beginning of learning how to co-parent effectively, learning how to put the kid first, and having that relationship between the two of them where they can accept that their jobs are different, their roles are different. Now think I mean, if I were to skip the rock down the road, which would have been the ending I would have loved to see, would be him really rooting in in LA and really building because he can make a family out of the people around him and watching him do that, and then like wouldn't it have been nice to see the Christmas with him and his new girlfriend and her and her guy, and you know what I mean. Like I mean, that's what.
Speaker 1:I Ray was busy.
Speaker 3:Well, there's that. That was like the beginning of the future, I think is why I said it was a happy-ish ending Right.
Speaker 2:Now I do have one clip that I wanted to do from this movie, and it has everything to do with the fact that it's. I mean, I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to acting. Bad acting I can accept it a lot of the time. What I'm really bad at is accepting great acting and, like I had said in the beginning of this movie, the actors that they picked in this movie were absolutely spot on. I would even go so far as to say that the best moment in acting I have ever witnessed recorded was in this movie, delivered more by Adam Driver with a great support from Scarlett Johansson. And it's this scene here, wow, that that is just mind-blowing. The who hasn't been in that moment before?
Speaker 3:cinematically. Yes, that was incredible. It was an incredible scene. The entire fight was just like it broke me every time. I saw it, even today, after seeing it four or five times.
Speaker 3:It's like you know all of those you just want to hit someone until they hurt as bad as you. You know what I mean and that's exactly what that was. It was just so raw and so real and that, to me, really exemplified that piece that I was talking about, where you just have to be mad, you just have to hate a little bit. And I think that that, for me, that was definitely part of the healing process was to get to that space where I could say I did everything I could and it was bad and I deserve better than that, and then I was able to heal and move past that. But I definitely might not have been a fight like that, but I definitely had those moments you know what I mean when I had to, just I had to just hate all of the things that had hurt me so bad in order to move forward through it.
Speaker 1:So that is.
Speaker 2:It can be hard to watch just because, like that, that emotion you get from when you're going from I need to, I need to say this, and then you start saying it and then you realize I regret saying this already.
Speaker 1:I definitely went through those and I try not to say you know me, I try not to say anything that I know I'm going to regret. And he would just call me these names and when he found out that those names weren't working, he just started calling me worse ones. Yeah, but in the movie he at least apologized like I never got that apology.
Speaker 2:So I knew that he meant all of those terrible things that he was saying to me and he wanted to say it and he wanted to hurt me and and I think that's really, I think that's really the difference between one kind of divorce and this kind where, when it's just two people who grow apart, I think that when it's coming from toxicity, I think is where you really start to lack that, that ability to empathize. When, like, even when you're saying the most hateful, awful, loathsome things, that if, if you don't get to a point where you're saying something like that and and start to break down yourself, then there's something wrong with you. Like, I mean, you you need to evaluate where you are in life and whether you need to be there. Um, if you can say stuff like that and not and not hate a part of yourself for saying it, then I think that I think that you're in the wrong place.
Speaker 3:Well, and I think that that is. I think that's part of why this, this particular story of divorce, is so hard for me, because, you can see, there's still some mutual respect there. You know what I mean that there is still some level of care and remembrance of the love that was there, and I do think that that's a portion of what made like this was a gut punch. This scene was a gut punch because it was like you know, you can see he still wants to fight for her. That's. I think that's part of what he's. What's in him is this anger that you know, I would do anything and it doesn't feel like any of it matters. And it sucks when you realize you're in a relationship that doesn't have that, that there isn't the mutual respect, that there isn't some ability to you only fight like that when it really matters. You know what I mean. That's the only time those kind of things happen is when it really matters. And you know, I wonder if some of this for him is that it was a surprise or was he avoiding it.
Speaker 3:But she was well resolved. By the time this happened, she was done, she had already detached, she had already shut down the feelings and he was still there thinking it was going to be fixed, thinking it was going to be fixed. And you saw that when she delivered him the divorce papers, you saw that when she, you know, when she was leaving for LA, that it was just temporary, he kind of had his head in the stand a little bit and I think, I think that I wonder how often that happens. You know that one one partner is just. You know, I mean, I had been.
Speaker 3:I think it was months, it was probably a year that I was slowly just detaching my emotion and my life from him before the straw that broke the camel's back made it happen. You know what I mean. So I think that's what I saw. There was there was some amount of fight, and it's validating to me because in this instance I can really identify with him because there was some deep pain there and that I wasn't worth the fight. You know what I mean. Like I almost might have felt better if, if there had been that huge explosion, because then at least there would be like some reason for it all. But yeah, that was, that was a gut punch, that scene for sure.
Speaker 1:Um, yes, I don't know, ben, how much of any of those fights you saw, but like the things that were said or things that obviously I don't have those feeling like I don't have positive feelings towards him anymore, um, anymore. But I will say that I felt like I was putting way more effort into the relationship from the get-go than he ever did and even with open communication about that, with it not changing and then all of the hurtful things that he said and did. Honestly, like I could really relate with Charlie there, because some days, like I feel horrible about it, but some days I really wish something bad just would have happened to him, and then I immediately felt awful for thinking that, but I just I couldn't be there anymore and I I mean I lived in my car basically for a freaking year in my couch and your couch, yeah.
Speaker 1:I loved those weekends those were pretty fun, I just it was rough.
Speaker 3:I'm curious, jen, is it? Is it for you? Because for me, like, going back and visiting this, I think, brings up some of those feelings, but I don't know that I still feel hurt feelings. You know what I mean. Like I feel like now, and this has been I mean, let's be real separated for almost 10 years now, years now, it's apathy, you know what I mean. It's like I'm not angry, I don't actively. The only frustration that ever comes up for me is around my kids, right, that's the only space that I really I can really still get some feisty feelings about. Otherwise it's pretty apathetic.
Speaker 3:At this point this digs up or picks at something for me. But I wonder, I don't know, I just wonder if sometimes I wonder if that's healthy, Like, is it healthy just to be like, eh, whatever, it's fine. You know what I mean. Like, am I dead inside or what's the problem? And I don't know, maybe it's because I have a future. You know what I mean, right, because I'm in a relationship that I feel I feel cared for, I feel partnered with, I feel supported, and I don't know that I ever felt that before, sustained, I mean, I think there were probably times that I felt all of those things, but it wasn't like a sustained thing. And you know, I always know that if I'm going to get myself into trouble I've got my guy behind my back who looks super scary but is a giant goofy teddy bear.
Speaker 1:I remember when I first met him and the first time I saw him get angry I was like oh shit. But then I got to know him more and I'm like you're goofy, it's just the steam.
Speaker 2:He only gets angry.
Speaker 3:Now it's like the steam valve for him. It's a thing yeah. I don't, I don't know if that's, if that contributes to it too, if if I just know that I'm in a space, I'm in a safe space now and I don't know that I felt that before and that's why it's easier to feel apathetic about it. I'm not sure, but like I said, sometimes I do kind of wonder if I'm just emotionally dead inside or something.
Speaker 1:But um, it's whatever well, I mean, I've always I have always been kind of a things that are said and done hurt me and it makes me feel like I'm less of myself. And when I first met him, I was in college and I was doing everything on my own and I was feeling very accomplished in where I was being like, where I was getting in my life. And then and then I I met him and we started dating and then I felt less and less and less positive things about myself. Um, and then for him to like supposedly be the one that chose me because he loved me and not because I was family and he had to to say and do the things that he did, that hurt me so deeply. It made me feel less about myself than I already did. So I think it just kind of hurt more.
Speaker 1:And then, like he secluded me from friends and family that well, had to fight really hard and try and remember my boundaries and that I don't need anyone to get to where I want to be. I used to be very independent and I didn't need anyone. I could do all my shit by myself and I didn't need anyone. I could do all my shit by myself. Um, and he kind of took that away from me, like well, and I I let him. So it was hard to get back to that place and like I love, I love Ben to death and it would suck for him not to be there. But but if he showed signs of any of that shit, I know I could do it without him. But he encourages me instead of secludes me and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Um, because I feel like I got like a front row seat to some of that. You know what I mean Like lots of, lots of nights in the garage talking about how, how you had already been doing those things, Um, but you didn't have the opportunity to even recognize that you were doing those things. So I'm uh, I don't know. I'm just excited that you get to be part of my family now.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you're kind of stuck with me, as long as Ben's okay with me.
Speaker 3:I was going to say you share a name with my brother now, so try and get away.
Speaker 2:This is Dr Benjamin.
Speaker 1:I was definitely like those not only going through the divorce but going through all the bullshit with my family that came from the divorce and setting boundaries and being okay with being secluded from stuff that I used to be, you know, invited to Like. It was hard but, yeah, I'm definitely glad that I'm not in that relationship anymore.
Speaker 3:Well, and that's part of the rebuilding process and that's something that I mean. I can see this throughout the movie and that's why I'm not mad at Nicole, because you can see throughout the movie how she is kind of building that up for herself again. You know she is, she's setting boundaries and she's saying no, I want this and I'm going to go after this thing that I want. And I can't be mad at her for that, because I think that that's a huge part of the growth and healing from a hard situation. And she and I did too, pushed all of my boundaries aside and said, no, it's okay, it's okay, I can accept that, I can accept that, I can accept that until I couldn't accept that anymore.
Speaker 3:And what's funny is, you know, you were talking about like the living situation, and my ex was insistent on living out in the middle of nowhere all the time. Like everywhere we lived was out in the middle of nowhere, and I am not a country girl. Okay, I don't do bugs, I don't do vermin, I don't do any of it. I don't like it.
Speaker 1:I kind of got that when Ben said he basically like lived with you for a while when he wasn't there.
Speaker 3:Gosh, it was terrible. Between the scary things in the cornfields and the oh god. But you had cows for fun. I had cows for fun and then I had like really angry cows. It looked like they wanted to stomple me and I was just trying to go on my back door.
Speaker 2:I don't know they were just regular cows. They were angsty, they weren't evil cows they were angsty Angus.
Speaker 1:They were nosy neighbors is my bet, Maybe maybe.
Speaker 3:But it's funny because now I mean and that was the first thing I did I was like I am not living out in the middle of nowhere anymore. I'm going to go live in a city where I have neighbors and Walmart is five minutes away, right, like that's the first thing I did. And now there are things about that experience that I miss. You know what I mean Like. So it's interesting to me how I would have never, ever, ever imagined that I'd get to a space where I would really miss the quiet of the country, or I would miss stargazing in the middle of nowhere because there's no lights. And you know, I mean there's things about that life that I miss. I don't know that I miss that life with that person, but I'm glad I have that experience because I know, you know, I can be okay wherever I live and you know, not having neighbors for a mile and a half is not always a bad thing.
Speaker 1:It's all good. I don't know. I've been scared of the country ever since I was a little girl. Uh, my dad was watching this one documentary, I think, about this girl that like stayed the night at her friend's house in the country and somebody broke in and like slit her throat. She had to crawl a mile to the nearest neighbor for help and like everyone in the country and somebody broke in and like slit her throat, she had to crawl a mile to the nearest neighbor for help. And like everyone in the house was dead and like, yep, nope, I'm good, not country. Uh-uh, ask Ben about all of my country fears.
Speaker 2:Not unless I have like 12 really scary dogs. Dan, I just encourage all of those thoughts with my sister Orson Welles, aliens and things like that in the cornfields. It's because you're a shit disturber.
Speaker 3:Yeah Of course. Sorry, oh, my God.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, as far as medicine in this movie goes, I think that really most of it is catharsis. This movie, I think, would be a good watch for anybody who's gone through it. I mean it's a good watch for anybody, it's just a good movie, I mean it is an Academy Award winner, I don't know that pocket knife scene. That was a little bit.
Speaker 1:That was the moment that I was like I wonder if he's a little neurodivergent thought he was just gonna pass out and end up in the hospital.
Speaker 3:The first time I watched it- yeah, no, it's fine, it's fine, we're fine, everything's fine.
Speaker 2:No, we're good it well, and he's like, and he's just got blood dripping all over himself unlocking the door and helping the lady with her bag, and all of that. How did?
Speaker 1:he not pick up on the fact that that like she did not want to be that close to him?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't know autism yeah, um so, so yeah, I don't know. Uh, do you guys? You guys think there's any other medicinal value besides catharsis in this movie?
Speaker 3:You know, that kept me in a marriage that was not healthy for a long time was the fear that there wasn't anything after that. That, you know, I don't know how I would do this on my own. And you know, I think that's probably the piece that really sang true for me is you know, there's always another chapter to write, there's always a new day, there's always a new start and, yeah, your story's not over until you decide it is, or until, yeah, you get to make those choices. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm not a parent, but co-parenting, especially through divorce. Don't put your kids in the middle of that. Don't let them see your feelings toward like. Don't let them see your negative feelings towards their other parent, because that can shape what they think like. We have a friend who went through a very messy divorce and he would not say, and he would not let anyone else say anything negative about his daughter's mom. He's like she's gonna grow up, she's gonna experience life and she's gonna make her own. And he would not let anyone else say anything negative about his daughter's mom. He's like she's going to grow up, she's going to experience life and she's going to make her own decisions. And until she was 18 or 19, nobody said anything negative about her mom in front of her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, weaponizing children is not a good idea and I'm glad that that wasn't really much of a thing in this. They didn't do that too much. Yeah, all right. Well, thank you both for coming on. I mean, jen's stuff, for you know, projects to share is pretty well the same as mine. Jamie, what do you got for people to go listen to?
Speaker 3:We are wrapping up season two of Roundtable Mindset, where we've been talking about really difficult conversations and, like I said, we're looking at some new projects for the end of 2025, I guess probably. But yeah, I'm kind of excited to see what's next and hoping I don't know. I have loved this podcasting journey, so you know I'll be a free agent. I'll be floating if you want to call me up for movie RX anytime.
Speaker 1:And with your co-host Cooper sitting on your lap for half of it.
Speaker 3:I'm shocked how quiet he's been. Of course I have to touch him constantly. He's sitting next to me, I'm just touching his head and he's fine.
Speaker 1:Maybe baby raptor in our house will be a little less chewy and chaotic here soon.
Speaker 3:Well, it only took a year, almost two years, to get here.
Speaker 1:So you know we don't talk about that long. I don't want to wait that long all righty.
Speaker 2:Now if you've got a movie that's been medicine for you or you want to come on the show and talk about it, uh go ahead and uh send me a message. You can email me at contact at movie-rxcom. Uh, if, if coming on the show is a little bit much for you and you don't really want to do that, you can always send a text message or leave a voicemail at 402-519-5790. I can read a text message on the air or I can even an email if you prefer it that way. Remember, this movie is not intended to treat, cure or prevent any disease and we will see you at the next appointment. Outro Music.