Episode #57 Train The Bird Dog Mind: A Conversation w/ Guy Mollicone Sr.

We sit down with Pro bird dog trainer Guy Sr. of Mollicone Kennels to unpack what makes a reliable quail dog in Arizona and why handler habits matter as much as the dog’s talent. We talk predator psychology, offseason training that fits real life, and how clear rules and consistency turn drive into teamwork.

• Guy’s background with bird dogs and how Mollicone Kennels began 
• Shifting from “bird dog training” to understanding canines as predators 
• How summer camp training works in southeastern Arizona and why location matters 
• Scent work versus sight pointing in different Arizona cover types 
• Offseason priorities like obedience, recall, stop, and stand 
• Why consistency builds confidence and inconsistency creates chaos 
• Drive and cooperation differences across pointers, Brittanys, and other breeds 
• Owner involvement through visits and training videos at key transitions 
• Using a whoa board or a simple cot for steadiness and place work 
• Progression from pigeons to game birds to wild birds 
• What success looks like at pickup and how owners maintain results 

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:07

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SPEAKER_03 0:33

Alright, guys, welcome back to another episode of Arizona Quail Today. Today is a special day. We have uh guest Guy Sr. Molicone. So, guy, thanks for joining us.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Oh, you're welcome. Glad to be here.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Awesome. So, man, we've been, you know, I don't know if you saw it, Guy, but we just put out a little uh teaser story uh on our Instagram. And it's actually I got to sit down with Nate Estrate, and you worked with one of his dogs, took him down to the he brought him down. I think he brought him down for five, six weeks.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yeah, for last summer.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Yeah. Yep. So it was it was really cool. We we sat down and talked about that just yesterday or the day before.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

And then I think I think I saw that clip.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

Yeah, and it's funny because he said I was kind of jealous because Guy was like doing perfect with my dog. And I'm like, I tell him, I'm like, guy. I was like, I was like, Nate, of course he was doing like the dog the dog knows guy knows exactly what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

So yeah, that was kind of funny. Yeah, it was kind of like, well, look, it's with guy, but you know, he's right, man. That's uh or you're right. I mean, that's that's my job. Yeah, I mean, why you know why would you why would you send your dog to me if I didn't know what I was doing? So yeah, yeah, I get clients like that all the time, but they gotta remember that this is my job, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Well, and it's like the dogs to be good at it, and that's what I explained in a in the podcast. I was like, buddy, I was like, when you get on a horse, like if you came over and you got on my horse, in five minutes, my horse would size you up and say, You're an idiot. And I'm about to take you for a ride, you know. Yep, so that's what they do. I was like, that's what those dogs are doing, man. Every time you work with them, they're reading you and looking at you and going, Oh, okay, I got I got you.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Yeah, absolutely. So absolutely they do.

How Guy Started Training Dogs

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Yeah, all right. Well, let's jump in background story a little bit. How long have you been involved in dog training and then tell us a little bit about Molacone kennels?

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Yeah, so the dog training, um I guess it it it kind of would start with with my mom and dad. Um when I was before I was born, my parents had winerners, um, field field dogs, field wine runners. And so I didn't, you know, I wasn't exactly training then, but it was just be the exposure of it, um, being around those kind of animals, hearing the stories. My neighbor was a big breeder, uh a field wine runner breeder. Um, and that's how we got our first dog, was from the neighbor. And so those were my first exposures to dogs in the house where we're actually bird dogs. So there was a little bit of advantage there, just hearing stories, hanging out with those people. Um then I I don't know. I think as a kid, I was the kid always bringing home stray dogs. And uh I would I'd get in trouble for it a lot. I mean, I think once a week I'd bring home a stray dog and I would name it, and we we'd hang on to it until the owners came. But the training itself, I I think I just I guess when you own dogs and you you just kind of mess with them. So we've always owned dogs and I've always messed with them. Yeah, I think I'd gotten uh uh what was it? I'd gotten a dog when I think I was 16. I didn't even ask my parents, I just got I just bought one and brought it home. Oh Doberman and started you know messing around with it. So I was just kind of that guy, that kid. Just it was just always I always needed a dog around me. But I think I think that's from the ex early exposure of having them as a kid.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

Yeah, yeah. I mean it's interesting. Like I can envision like little guy senior, you know, like you're you're just finding these dogs and like, all right, well, you know, we'll we'll take care of you for a little bit. It's like you're building your little kennel before there was a kennel.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Yeah, it was, and then I think I think what happened was uh I had my labs as maybe 1918 or 1819, 20, 21. I had my labs and I would cut birds with them, but there was no training involved. Um they knew sit and the basic stuff, but there wasn't any like sophisticated training going on. And then after that, I had gotten married, had guy, had little guy, and then got a home, and then after I bought my first house, I already decided I was gonna get another uh get a Wyomer of my own. Yeah, and that's when the training started. Then I then I went out with some people trained, and I just kind of caught the bug from there.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

How how did you know, in just a couple of minutes, describe to our listeners like what what is what approach that you take, um maybe that's a little different from most trainers today?

Training Predators Not Just Bird Dogs

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Oh, trick question. Yeah, I I think what I've done if I'm if I'm comparing myself now to to earlier versions, I think I've just incorporated dog training in general. I I stopped looking at the dogs as bird dogs, yeah, and just canines, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:33

Right, and as a predator, yeah, and study studying kind of their almost like dog psychology and like the psych yeah, the psychology of it, and then really understanding like this morning, but right now I've got uh cheetahs on TV.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

And and you'd be surprised at similarities, but anything that has canines and searches out game, you can make a a comparison with, and I think it was just understanding that they are predators and understanding what the nature of a predator is, right? And what they do, instincts, you need to understand their instincts. And I think once I started understanding what their intentions were, because I always want to know the why, then everything else started becoming easier. It wasn't me beating my head against the ball going, Why is my dog chasing birds? Why is my dog chasing birds? Right. Well, it's a predator, it chases birds. It's just this is one of those things, calm down and figure out how to after the behavior. Does that make sense? It was it was it was understanding what I'm dealing with, like what kind of student do I have?

SPEAKER_04 7:42

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

And I think that was probably the biggest difference for me changing instead of just the cookie cutter system.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Well, as far as like, you know, when you're you know, when you got guys that are coming in and looking to do some work with you, what do you do with the dogs, you know, um, when folks are bringing them over? Or or what do you do during summertime with all all the bird dogs you guys got?

Summer Camp In Southeastern Arizona

SPEAKER_01 8:14

So summertime is uh is a summer camp. The reason why it's called a camp is because when we were in Phoenix, we used to go to the mountains for years. We just trained in the mountains for obvious reasons, the weather.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

Yeah, so like the White Mountains or Flagstaff area.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Yeah, we yeah, I've done multiple years in the Bayet Mountains. I think we did Williams one year, Flagstaff one year, uh Mormon Lake area one year. So then when I moved here, well, actually, I was my daughter was born, my youngest Wayland, and I was trying to stay home a little bit, but I would come down here where I'm at now and bring the dogs down here for a couple weeks at a time because my buddy Phil lived down here and the temperatures were better. So now we just do it, now we just do it here out of the house. Yeah. Um, and I don't have to sleep in a camper for three weeks in the middle of the woods and shower out of a shower bag.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

Yeah.

unknown 9:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

And I can imagine. I mean, yeah, you'd want about three weeks. I mean, it's I do camping sessions like that. And it's like, I mean, you get your camper all set up and you really want to get some some good sessions in. It just takes time. And I'm sure if you're having a lot of other client dogs, you know, it's good to have a couple of weeks. But so you've got it consolidated down there now in southeastern Arizona. You've got a little elevation gain, so it's not the Phoenix Valley heat.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

It's not. Yeah. It's it's still not, you know. I mean, it still can get warm. Uh, I would can I would say it's like flag or not flag uh prescott.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Yeah. Yeah, you're like at 5,000 something feet or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Yeah, the house is at 44. I think our training grounds are at 5,000. We're in Myrne's country.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, it's beautiful area. I've been down there with you, and um, I remember um some of the training grounds. That's good. It was interesting. Your your son brought up the point that you know there's not a lot of open areas, so the dogs have to work on like hardcore scent down there because there's so much grass. And then, like here in the Phoenix Valley where we're training, there's oftentimes not a ton of grass, so you have a lot of open area. So dogs are working off a site versus smell, scent.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

Yeah, yeah. We have cover, so yeah, so the dogs don't get to eyeball birds as much as they do down in the valley.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

But after working in the valley for so long, I actually I found that to be a hindrance, um having too much cover. So I had to start finding places that that didn't, because I need I when I'm training the dogs, I need them to see the bird and then at times and then not see the bird. Yeah, because dogs point out of, I consider two two reasons sight point, visual, or or nose, or both. So I've got to work on both of those because we all know gambles, there's a good chance you can get your eyeballs on your own.

Offseason Work That Actually Helps

SPEAKER_03 11:21

Yeah. What what should hunters be doing during the offseason? Here in a minute, we'll talk about your bird dog camp more specifically, uh, and your training and and all that. But what what would you just say to the hunters that maybe they're during the off season? What are some good things that hunters can do?

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Well, uh what I always did is I trained when I had a full work week before I started doing this for a living. Um I did the weekends training, but just on pickings um on the weekends, uh, maybe in the evening, but you know, as soon as before the sun gets gets up and starts bearing on you, um just I would wake up really early and head out to the desert and train. Um they weren't very long sessions, but it was something. Or or or I'd drive up to Flagstaff or something and train. Um back then it was easier just to whip up to 17 and come back down and spend a few hours and train your dog. Much easier. But but I think just the summer could be a good time too, just to work on your obedience.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Um talk talk talk to like what do you what do you mean by that? Do you mean like sit, stay, heal, come, vetch, or yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Yeah, all the things that we kind of procrastinate on and then we try to cram in at the end before we go hunting.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

You know, I've separated this thing into bird work, my my bird work and my obedience work or yard work is they're they're sometimes they're separate. You know, I've got to teach the dog stop and stand and a recall before we just start cutting it loose on on birds.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

And by recalling at least with my client dogs, right? Because I don't I don't know them.

SPEAKER_03 13:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

And by it's not like my personal dogs.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

And by recall, you mean just like the dog needs to come. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to come to me when I say so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

I mean, it sounds so fun like foundational and so elementary, but it's pretty important.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Well, it it it can it complete, yeah, it completely is elementary. Yeah, here's why it's not for us. Yeah, you know, with my rott riler, he goes 20 yards from me, maybe. Yeah, that recall is very simple. Yeah, our dogs are bred to run.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

Yeah, not only 50 yards, 100 yards, 200 yards. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

The distances, you can't compare the two. We've got a dog that's built to go use its nose and instincts, and it'll blow it does blow you right off. Yeah, you know, when you have a different type of dog, it's it can be easier. So our recall is is much different. We've got a different animal we're dealing with.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Yeah, yeah, that's that's good. That's good. So working on some of those basics during the off season is really helpful. And um, you know, um for me, I've I've I've like I love to get my dog out on like the lake or the river. I just take my dog where I want to go. And then they're learning as we're there, you know. It's like it's funny because like in the beginning, these bird dogs obviously they don't have big webbed feet, but uh they they swim so funny when they first start learning. It's like they're just like you know, a bobbing a bobbing head, barely keeping up, and then over time they like figure it out. We're like Zona, like I could if if if I really wanted to, I could like have her compete in water retrieving competitions. Like that's how intense she is about it. She's like, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah, well, grow growing up in Phoenix, yeah, everything and everybody needs to learn how to swim. Yeah, it's just you know, people have pools, yeah. Um, it's just mandatory. Dogs and humans need to know how to swim. So yeah, keep teaching your dog swimming is a great thing to do in the summertime.

Why Consistency Makes Or Breaks

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Yeah, it's a lot of fun. We we run down to the salt, go to the verde, go to the Bartlett, go to Lake Pleasant. You know, those are kind of our go-to spots just because of convenience location. But yeah, I think doing those kind of things are helpful. What uh what happens when consistency is lost with the dog?

unknown 15:46

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Well, then you don't have consistency. I mean, it's it's it's not it's not good. Dogs are routine, they need consistency, yeah. Uh uh, most of all to build confidence in them and and also to trust their owners. When you don't have consistency and consistent rules, they're just like us. It I I kind of liken it to like a traffic signal. What happens when it gets dysfunctional at the major intersection?

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Yeah, chaos.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Chaos. Yeah, there's no order. Dogs need to have a firm idea and understanding of yes and no. Lots of no's. The dogs need to know that there's boundaries and and uh limitations and rules, and when you don't have consistency, the dog can either be confused or just take advantage of it.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

You know, consistency is the key to training, consistency is the key to to to all dogs.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Yeah. Yeah, that's one of that's one. That's one of the things I was talking about with Guy Jr., he, you know, we were I I I called it cheating. I said, you know, it feels like my dogs, you know, they'll they'll just cheat. If if they know they can get away with it, they're just gonna cheat. They they know what they're supposed to do, but it's like if I get lax, then they just cut the corners and they just do whatever they want.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Yeah, they're manipulators. Listen, a dog doesn't do much. Dog really doesn't do anything that's not rewarding to themselves.

SPEAKER_04 17:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

That that's just a general rule. Dog, dogs are very much in it for themselves.

unknown 17:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

It's interesting you say that because we we tend to think that you know they live for, you know, to for the com companionship of another person, you know.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

They do, but but who does that benefit? It does benefit us, but it also benefits them.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

I'm not saying it's not dual, it's not a dual thing.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

But they they want it as well. That's why they just kind of randomly come up to you when they want it.

Drive Differences Across Bird Dog Breeds

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Yeah. It's like um is that interesting that, you know, like I was having this conversation, I think, with your son again about like drive and all that. And it was like uh we're talking about the difference between like sometimes like an English pointer and or like uh a Britney, and like, you know, uh and maybe this was a broader conversation with a couple of other people, but it was the idea that you know, like the the pointer is like it will want to hunt, its drive is so high, it will want to hunt and it will leave you and just to hunt for itself. And like the Britney like wants to like just be right, you know, like to please you, to make sure you're happy. And I'm like, oh yeah, like my dog, my dog's the kind of dog, like if it if a quail flew off a cliff, my dog would probably jump off that cliff, you know, if I said fetch it, you know, get it. And that's the drive that's can be it's almost like a selfish thing, like kind of like what we're talking about. It's like the dog that for my dogs, it's like they're very selfishly focused on I want that bird.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Yeah, and and the and the thing with the pointers are is that you know, just through selective breeding and the lack of uh AKC involvement and not having the show ring involved in their breeding programs, they do create a better or a more driven dog. You know, they they can seem aloof because their their drive is high. Um you just gotta figure out how to communicate with them and and make sure they're cooperating. You know, they you want to teach some cooperation and and those pointers.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Where where I get what you're saying, sometimes Britney's just seem to have it right from the get-go, or or other dogs just seem to have it. Yeah, I I guess I would say sometimes with the pointers, their first objective objective could be fulfilling their instincts.

Let Owners Watch And Learn

SPEAKER_03 20:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it takes it it I and I I'm I'm kind of curious to venture out from the pointers at some point, like I mean, meaning the English pointer. So I'm very happy with the dogs I've got, but uh I'm very open for the future, you know. So I'm I'm not the guy who thinks my breed is the best breed in the world. It's just like I understand, like, okay, like you go buy a car, that's a Porsche. This is a um this is a truck, and they have different functions, and so that's okay. I'm good. Um, let's jump into this next question on um talking about that dog camp. Uh, I don't know what what do you call those? Like when you do these six-week intensives or or or what are those?

SPEAKER_01 20:59

So, yeah, in the summer we call it summer camp because usually what happens is uh guy comes down and we that's just all we do. We we take a little bit, we take a little a few more dogs than we normally would. And we just work. We work, work, work. And uh it's not a whole lot different from what we do during the season. I'm sorry, outside of outside of winter. It's just we we have more volume of dogs and and we'll have other people stop through, like other professionals and things like that at times. And it's just a I I guess it's just like a tradition, it's a time to dedicate ourselves to to the dogs and kind of put our our lives on hold for a few months.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

To to really go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

Yeah, we just you just immerse yourself in it. You got to be careful that you don't burn yourself out, but um yeah, you really just immerse yourself in in the training part.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Yeah. Well, I mean it makes sense for the for the at least for the upland hunters, because it's like, okay, it's off season, you know, and it's hot in the Phoenix Valley. And um, you know, in our context, you know, and there's a little more leisure, maybe, you know, folks are taking vacations and maybe they can come down and visit a little bit more often. So when, you know, we've talked about Happy coming down to visit you and on that camp. So like uh the summer camp, is that is that where you're like, okay, I know that you said that, you know, hey, like let's get your dog down here and then you know, I'll shoot you videos, watch the videos. Um and you know, and of to me, I'm like, of course, like I'll post those videos. I'll like I'm like the overly involved um parent, you know, with my dogs. So I'm like thrilled about this idea, but do you invite the clients to come down and see what you're doing, or is it kind of like, hey, you guys, uh I'll send you videos because it's just too much?

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah, I I am I don't subscribe to you can't see your dog.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

I understand why trainers do that. I understand why I might have been like that at one point. Um, I want I want the client, I want the owners of the dog to be completely involved. I I I have I don't have anything to hide. If they want to come down and train with me, it it just helps me when I turn the dog over. I I'm really what I want to give the experience I want to give to people is kind of the experience that I did not get. You know, back then, you know, 20 years ago, you just sent your dog out and you never saw it again until the end. Yeah, you got an email. Um you didn't get pictures unless you go see the dog, and you weren't allowed to inter really interfere or anything with it with the dogs. And I don't want that. I want to build a companion uh in a in a I want to build a team. You know, first I want to build the dog, and then I want to get you guys together and and build yourself, build a lifelong bond. Because I know what it was like when I didn't see my dogs for six months at a time, and I'd got it back, and I didn't even feel like I owned a dog. I I don't want that for you guys. I don't want you guys to experience that. I want you guys to feel involved. Yeah, and I want it and I I want to teach people.

SPEAKER_03 24:44

Yeah, and for the guys that can't, you know, like they're busy and they're like, I dude, I can't. Like, is that problematic with your program or is it like okay, you know?

SPEAKER_01 24:54

It's not, but I I I'll be honest, they're not they're not gonna be as uh informed as the person that's coming out on the weekends and and really learning, right? Like you're you're kind of missing class, yeah. But but you can still study through videos, I'll send videos, yeah. Um, especially at key points and transitions. A lot of people struggle with transitions, but the foundational work, I always videotape that. That that way they have that.

Whoa Board Basics And Clear Markers

SPEAKER_03 25:23

Yeah. Would you recommend like guys like you know, like just yeah, like any an average hunter, just get a little wow board and put it in their backyard and use it.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

I think I think they can do that and also the a cot inside the house.

SPEAKER_03 25:43

Oh, okay. Yeah, like it doesn't have to be a professional woe board or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

No, no, just a it's a look, it's the woe board's just a platform.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Um, they they it's become real popular now, they call it the place command. Yeah. Right? They'll these obedience trainers come out with the place command. It we do the same thing, we're just outdoors.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

Yeah. Yeah. And for for for the listener listening in, like going, what is a woe board? Woe is means stop. It's a term that, and guy, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a term that's been transferred over from the horse world over into dog training world. And you get your dog to focus on steadiness and then command from that central location. And so, like when I was in the clinic with your son, it was really cool. You know, like we did a big semicircle around you know, the woe board and the dog in the middle is the dog that's getting worked on or whatever, and you're doing the I love and I learned this from you was it's important to do both markers on a dog, like good boy or good boy or tap positive if it did it good, like, and then the the negative at you know, the something that shows the dog you did it you did it wrong.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Yes, it's it's yes, it's yes and no. But wanted wanted behaviors and unwanted behaviors. We're we're going to have a verbal noise or command to so the dog can acknowledge that that was a wanted or unwanted behavior. Yeah, that was a good one, that was a bad one. Yeah, don't don't repeat that one. Yes, repeat this one. And the board for everyone listening, yes, woe is our universal word for stop, right? Um and stand and stay. Um we can compare it to a sit-stay. And all the board does is it it gives us a the dog a reference point of of where to stand. So that just just so it knows it's it's being taught that particular cue, um, it just helps the dog understand it a little quicker than if you're just on the ground.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

That's great.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

You know, because because we're standing, we're not sitting. When you sit, the dog's sitting on it's it's it's putting its butt on the ground. It it pretty much clearly knows it's has to anchor itself to that position. When a dog is standing, it's got its four legs under it, and you're just standing in the middle of air and space, the dog can give you can get a little confused as to what do you want me to do? Yeah. You want me to stand, you want me to walk, what why am I on my four feet? It it can be confusing. So that's just a reference point for myself and the dogs.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Yeah.

From Pigeons To Wild Birds

SPEAKER_03 28:37

Yeah, and you guys do uh um, I mean, you work with live pigeons there, you'll work with uh you I think you call them carted pigeons. Is that what you call them? Like when you put a piece of cardboard under to make them slow, fly slow and not very get very get away very far.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

So we'll be using uh we use my homing pigeons. Those are just pigeons that you know live here on the property and they're in their loft or their coop. And then we have just regular pigeons that we use when we we train on the training grounds. And we we we'll be using chucker this year as well. Uh but we mold the dog with pigeons first before we move on to game birds. And then the graduation from game birds, so it goes pigeons, some type of game bird, and then uh wild birds. Yeah. Which we can't all which we can't always do. Obviously, there's a season for that.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So what what would you say just would success look like for the guy dropping off his dog and and you know, he's coming back to pick it up? And he said you already made mention, like, hey, hey, the trainer, the owner's learning how to better train as well, studying the videos, maybe participating in a weekend. But what what what else would you add to that?

SPEAKER_01 30:08

So so the dog's gonna have a clear understanding of every everything it takes to be a hunting dog, and a hunting dog with with other dogs down on the ground. Uh, you're gonna be able to have your stance, your stand stays, your recalls, your your turn signals, your hand, you know, your handling of the dog. It should be it's gonna be able to hold point, wait for the gun, uh everything it takes to be successful hunting. It's gonna know a lot. It's gonna know a lot of things, more than the owner will by that point. So then the owner has to play catch up, uh, and then we just work with the owners to teach them how to uh handle the dog. But but a lot of that is us showing the foundation of how we got there in the first place. That way, if something starts happening, like someone calls me and says, Hey guy, you know, so and so is just they're not pointing, they're just pushing birds up again. We can we have something to reference, whether it's video or conversations we've had out at the training grounds, and we'll just run through the list, hey, are you doing this, this, this, this, this? And typically when I say that, there's there's one or two things that like, no, I'm not. I'm like, we'll go back to that. Because we talked about earlier in this conversation, consistency. You are being inconsistent. Now the dog's showing inconsistent behavior.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah, it's gotta be a challenging one. We can pick that up in our next episode. Um, but you know, for those of you listening in, we're well, this is a two-part series. When we come back, we're gonna talk about. I'd love to talk with you more, guy, about how you you kind of gotta work with the owner to understand, like, hey, look, when you're inconsistent, you're you're uh you you are uh creating the problem.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Yeah, what we need what I need to do a lot of times is put the e-collar on the owner.

Where To Find Guy And Closing

SPEAKER_03 32:18

You gotta you gotta send me a video, you gotta send me a video of that. That'd be right. I haven't had one yet that said yes, but hey, I will tell you this just for uh closing on this idea. I I've I've put the e-collar on multiple times, at least on my hand, and shocked it just to see what magnitude it hits. And I'm like, okay, okay, there's some juice to that level right there. But it is interesting when I've popped a dog before, it's kind of sensitive. I'm like, oh dude, I could take that. Like you're just you're just a sissy, you know, like it's funny. But uh, well, thank you for for this uh episode. I guys, guys, uh those of you listening in, we're gonna come back um to a part two. And um, guy, before we close out though, where do people find you? How do they get a hold of you?

SPEAKER_01 33:12

So there's a website which I think is down right now. I can't get a hold of my web guy, but that should used to be Molicone Kennels.com. Then you can just look me up on Facebook, Guy Mollocone. Then there's Molicone Kennels on Facebook.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

And Instagram as well.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

And then yeah, and then on Instagram as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, thanks for being a part, guy, and look forward to doing another episode with you. Guys, uh, those of you listening in, if you like what you're hearing, is helpful to you, then share it with a friend. You know, the purpose of Arizona Quail Today is to educate and encourage quail hunters in Arizona. And you can hunt quail without a dog, but it's a lot more fun with a dog. And uh, Guy Molicone's a great guy. Um, his son's here in the Phoenix Valley, he's down in southeastern Arizona. If you haven't worked with him, check him out. I highly recommend him. I've worked with him before for many different, many different times over the years and looking forward to doing more. So, guy, thanks for being with us.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_03 34:18

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SPEAKER_00 34:27

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