The land is your land: Laughter as resistance

In this debut episode, I sit down with Sam Grey Horse — Austin horseman, musician, and Mescalero Apache and friend — we hope you enjoy this deeply personal conversation, as we explore his indigenous identity, survival, spirituality, and what it means to live indigenously in a colonized city. The episode weaves together storytelling, songs, and Sam’s personal upbringing in a way that defies easy categorization. 

I hope you find Grey Horse's personal healing journey and Indigenous wisdom offering a roadmap for rediscovering our humanity, our sense of wonder, and our capacity for lightheartedness - even amidst the challenges of the modern world. His stories have the power to inspire more laughter, levity and harmony.

Sam shares his family history, growing up in East Austin in the 1960s, and his early experiences with horses and the rodeo culture. 

He opens up about a serious horse accident in 2010 where he nearly lost his life, and in which Grey Horse had a transformative spiritual experience. This led him to reconnect with his indigenous roots and adopt his traditional name, Grey Horse.

Sam emphasizes the importance of preserving Native American culture, traditions, and wisdom, which he feels are being erased. He wants to pass these teachings down to his grandchildren.

Throughout, Grey Horse speaks passionately about the need for peace, harmony, and balance in the world, which he feels can be found by reconnecting with indigenous knowledge, ways of being and laughter.

Quote: "One of the best ways to understand a people is to know what makes them laugh. Laughter encompasses the limits of the soul. In humor life is redefined and accepted."  ~ Vine Deloria Jr. (Standing Rock Sioux), from Custer Died for Your Sins

Transcript

Rachel El Shamy 0:00

Well it's finally here. Everybody, I'm so excited! April Fool's Day, haha. Thank you for your extended patience as we have made the edits to our first full episode. Each quarter on Lefon and Levitate, I would like to feature a local legend from Austin, Texas. And my very first guest is a man who goes by the name of Samuel Greyhorse. You may have seen him around riding his White Horse Big Tech down South Congress, or possibly his Mule, Muleah. Dressed up as Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, he has a deep connection to his Native American heritage and traditions. And since it's the year of the horse and immigration conversations are timely right now, I feel it most fitting to invite my friends and local artists as my first guest. Sam seems to have mastered laughter as resilience, and that's why I titled this episode, This Land is Your Land, Laughter as Resilience. He carries joy throughout our city as he rides and sings his songs down South Congress. In this debut episode, I will sit down with Sam Greyhorse, the Austin Horseman, musician, Mescalero Apache, and friend. We hope you enjoy this deeply personal conversation as we explore his indigenous identity, survival, spirituality, and what it means to live indigenously in a colonized city. This episode leaves together storytelling, a couple of songs, and Sam's personal upbringing in a way that defies easy categorization. I hope you find Grey Horse's personal healing journey and indigenous wisdom offerings, a little roadmap for rediscovering our own humanity, a sense of wonder, a capacity for lightheartedness, even in the midst of challenges of this modern world. His stories have the power to inspire more laughter, levity, and harmony. Please enjoy.

Sam Grey Horse 2:36

I come from my heart because it's everything that's Apache. And I speak Lakota and some Danay, which is Navajo. I pray around the White River in South Dakota. Crowd's Paradise. I've been going there since 2013 with Eric Lucio, another Mescalero Apache that pours our lodges. And uh in 2010, I lost my life in a horse accident at a training facility in southeast Travis County. I was uh ponying horses, and some horse cancelled a race, and the owner of the track asked me if I would get in there with Big Red, which Big Red passed away. I'll talk about him. This was the big race. Big Red is an old race horse, and I would pony horses on him at this racetra. And they let me come in and race, the young guys, uh, because they said the big red's oh, he was like 13, uh, maybe older. And so uh I said, okay, but I didn't check my saddle, and that's how Creator works with me. You know, all my life I've been in uh lots of accidents and done things, and I always wonder why I I uh I get up and walk off. And uh Creator had a bitter, uh bigger mission for me. Uh I'm on a different Omanimans journey. Uh I never could understand that till after I saw the other side. I don't talk about the other side because that's very sacred to me to be gifted to come back. It's a gift and also a curse. Because you get to feel things and see things that the average person doesn't feel or see because they can't. They're in their head too much. Uh we live in the ABCs and the religion world now. Uh I've had the honor to go to the other side and see who I am and what I'm supposed to do, I'm feeling, because they sent me back to tell my story. And uh I never lived the indigenous life like I did now. I went to school and I uh my parents did the best they could for us, which is try to blend into this world, and I'm gonna say it, be white. You know what I mean? I broke my neck, I broke my lower back, I broke 12 ribs, I cracked my skull open right here. You can see a big crack in my head on the front of my head right here. Uh I had no idea. Uh I broke my wrist. Uh I got drilled 150 yards on big red. At 100 yards, I was winning these young horses, and I didn't check my saddle to tighten it. So um it went to the side, and when it did that, I pulled it back and it went all the way under my foot got stuck in the stirrup. Um, so that's why now I'm wearing a brace here, and at my I gotta go get a knee replacement here, hopefully in two weeks, because I can't sleep. You see me out on the streets, and uh I'm in my I'm on my horses, I'm in the safest spot. Uh it took me a while to drive again and walk correctly. Uh but I learned fast because I I I I I have uh energy, Pejuta energy of uh uh the spirits they helped me in 2010 after my accident before George Floyd. I went through a little incident like that on 6th and Nusses Street, but they didn't have I didn't get filmed back then. It was a little too early then with the phones. They ripped my sleeve off and hit me over the head right here with a flashlight and pulled me off my horse when they arrested me for a DUI on 6th Street many years ago. Uh they gave me a DUI and I fought the state and won. Uh but uh Yeah, can you tell us about that?

Speaker 6:18

Didn't Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 6:19

Like I'd love to tell you about that.

Speaker 6:20

I love this story.

Speaker 1 6:21

This is a story that in 2010, a gem, I went to the other side. In 2011, I was walking again already, and uh you know, uh I was riding, and the guy that owned the racetrack I won't say his name's Freddie. Okay, he's a house contra developer, he builds houses and legwise. You own the racetrack. He said, uh because I got a lot of phone calls from lots of lawyers, you know. They should have had an ambulancer that were charging at the gate, and uh you could sue this guy and take all okay. I said, he's my brother. Yeah, I said, I wanted to be there. I don't do things like that. I I the reason I got hurt is because I wasn't focused. I didn't tighten up my saddle, it wasn't his fault. But they go, no, but you can't say, I don't do things like that. So make a long story. The time went on, and uh he said, uh, what can I do for you? Because I got called. I said, I said, uh, I said, what? It's legal to ride around town. And he, I go, let's ride around, and we'll go for a night out around town and uh have a good time. And he goes, All right. And I've my lawyer was gonna meet me that day, but he was in court, so he said, Man, you can't go. So we parked at Sam's Barbecue on 12th in Chicone. And I left Big Red there. He was gonna ride Big Red, and I took Moolah, and he took Big, not took Big Text, he wrote Moolah. So we went to Hole in the Wall, we went to Vivos, and I quit drinking January 27th of 2012, was my last drink. Uh, and that was uh at Shangri-la uh on 6th Street. That's when I got arrested.

Speaker 8:06

Okay.

Speaker 1 8:07

But I went downtown and uh we went, we had a blast. We went to eat. He took me out, we went all over the place, uh, and then we went to Shangri-La and I had me something to drink. And I took my I was taking meds. I was on, I was still broken up. I still had a spray around my waist.

Speaker 3 8:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1 8:26

And I had um I had to be very, but I'm a very hard-headed person because people don't understand. I already seen what I'm gonna be doing. You know what I mean? We're people of vision, you know. Yeah. Um I get to see and feel things, and wow. Some things I don't go because I know I'm not supposed to. And some things my horses tell me when it's gonna be good. They're at the gate moving their heads up and down. They're they want to go, so create they're telling me something's good. It never fails. Yes, the horses tell me I've learned to read sign. We read sign, people, energy, things move. You know, sign is for real with us. The most simplest thing will tell you a lot. Uh, yeah. I had to I went downtown and I was celebrating that with this man that I didn't sue him for uh me getting hurt, and I was at Shangri-La and we left because he had a friend that wanted to meet him at Noessis and 6th Street. So we went back. I said, Man, I just took my medicine, dude. My head is spinning. He goes, We'll be right back. Stay on stay on the horse. So we went back down there and he was talking to these people. Next thing you know, these police officers on the bikes got off and they they handcuffed him. You're not supposed to be uh blocking track. I said, We're right here, you know. You know, it's perfectly legal to ride horses here because I got I got heads on rookies. Sure enough, and they didn't back then was different. They arrested him and they grabbed me, and I'm feeling I got a bad head. To me, I'm safe on my horse, so I'm trying to get back on. I got hit on the head with a flashlight and they ripped my sleeve off and I forgot the rest because I kind of got knocked out. Yeah, and they they kind of made fun of me on the news. They put me in my ice bin baran, uh turn and I woke up at the hospital, and I worked there. I worked at CEDA Medical Center for many years. People don't know this. I've always worked in the medical field, I worked the worst.

Speaker 10:38

Uh and um So now you find yourself at the hospital.

Speaker 1 10:42

I ended up at the hospital and then I went to court. Uh I woke up with some handcuffs, and my friends were looking, they go, man, what you woke up with handcuffs in the hospital? Yes.

Speaker 10:54

Oh my god.

Speaker 1 10:54

They handcuffed me to a it wasn't I didn't have them on the gurney. They didn't they took them off because the doctor said, take them off him. He worked here. He's not he didn't do, you know, so they they had me still on him, but they made them take him off the gurney. They and so uh it was crazy. They took me back to the courthouse and then they took me straight to court. It just seemed weird. I went to court, it was an Asian judge, and he called me and he goes, Samuel? I said, uh yeah, yeah. Answer this question. It's gonna sound way out there, but you need to answer it. Very simple. I said, uh Did you ride into town relinquish relinquishing a firearm or or shooting your six shooter? I said no. He goes, you're free to go. If you're sober. I said, Yeah, I'm hurt. I take medicine, I need my meds. He goes, You're free to go. So they took the thing. And I called my little brother, because they were moving me very fast through the system. My little brother, I called my little brother, I said, Don't tell mom that uh, you know, or you know, you know, my head I my head was hurt. I was like a kid still, you know what I mean? You know, my mom, uh you know, I hate saying it, but I was like a kid again. So I said, Don't tell mom. And so he goes, turn on the TV. I said, what station? He goes, every station. You're on CNN, Fox, K View, uh, which he did. Uh, you know, you're you're free. You know, it's a lot that, you know. And I said, Wow, I see so many people going through so much, they don't have to. You don't have to. It's just this world. God is so brainwashed, and we don't believe in ourselves. We can heal ourselves so easy now. But yeah, I woke up and I went to court and they let me go. And I came out, there was all kinds of news reporters, and um, I couldn't find my horse and my mule for like three weeks. They wouldn't tell me where they were at. So then I found them because they moved them around to ranches, different places in the outskirts of town. And then they told me that um I that to go pick them up and um they were gonna auction them off. I had five hours before they auctioned them off.

Speaker 13:31

The APD did this, yeah.

Speaker 1 13:33

Travis County, or Travis County, and so Cowboy Church, uh a lady from Cowboy Chase Church paid $580 and got my horses back to me.

Speaker 13:43

Wow.

Speaker 1 13:44

And so then I went and picked them up at the Elgin uh vet. I've seen a lot of things, you know, and I still keep keep coming back. They're not gonna stop me from being me because I am Austin. I grew up here when none of this was here. Yeah. Austin's changed so much. Uh and I feel that if I'm still here being me and sharing the stories, I keep Austin what Austin really was, you know. You know, I was a lucky one. I was very fortunate. Uh the city is real real good to me. They allow me to be me. Uh it's perfectly legal to ride a horse in the state of Texas as long as you don't come in here relinquishing a firearm and you have an animal that knows that way of life, because you could kill somebody if you have a crazy horse out there. You know, the world's uh not made for that. I live a different world where I specialize in doing that. You could say, you know, that's kind of I don't like using it, but I do. People say, I just pray a very simple, for real way that makes it heard. Helps me live in this world. Sweat lodges. People have changed it so much. Uh, the way we pray. Uh keep it simple. Go in there with your intentions, and uh you're in the best closest place to the creator there is if it's done correctly.

Speaker 15:16

Have you always been around horses?

Speaker 1 15:18

Yes, your whole life, your family is always I I got my first horse injury when I was four. Oh, my dad's stallion. He reared up and I fell down, broke my leg on my knee. I was a little kid.

Speaker 3 15:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1 15:30

But I remember that. I forgot, but I remember that. My dad always had horses, and then behind my grandmother's house, because East Austin was country. When I was growing up, everybody had horses in East Austin. Uh, there was an old man he used to ride his mules up, he had one leg, and he had a pair of mules, and he'd go up uh our street, my grandma's, and I always said, I want to get a mule, and I got me a mule. But we've always had horses, you know. We didn't live them in the the way I ride my horses in the indigenous world and really connect with them that way, you know. Yeah, my horses are everything, but I I've gotten to meet my granddaughters at an older age, you know. Uh and I they're everything to me.

Speaker 16:18

Wow.

Speaker 1 16:19

But uh yeah, uh, and I get to see them maybe once a month.

Speaker 16:23

What are some things that you want to hand down to them?

Speaker 1 16:27

I want to pass down their culture. They come to the lodge and they pray, and it's in their DNA that and it's a must uh to know that culture because it's being a race just like everything else. You know, we were all we were in the Mexican kind of uh indigenous uh horses, you know. But everybody back then, when I was growing up, wanted to be the cowboy and had do the rodeo scene, and we did that. But I grew up here, and uh mom was a school teacher at Becker Elementary. She graduated from Houston Television College. Uh I lived a good life. Uh my dad, he went to work for the water and wastewater department for the city of Austin. I believe he said he started, he was making back then 32 cents an hour when he started.

Speaker 17:11

Yeah, how did you get your name? Did you get your name horse before the accident or after? Did it come after?

Speaker 1 17:18

I got that after. Can you tell us about that? Absolutely. My birth name, here we go. All right, colonization is Olivo. Olivo means olives. Uh and I have relatives that are happy I I'm happy to be olivo, I'm proud. But the reality is where I went on my journey, I'm not from Spain. I'm not I'm not I I'm indigenous. Uh I have a name called Rodriguez. That's my mother's side, you know, and um that's a Spanish name. And when I go to would go to Sundance in 13, I started going to Sundance, and Leonard Crow dog, Uncle Crow Dog, uh called me Shukkota, which means gray horse. Because they know I ride a gray horse in Austin. So gray horse was given to me by Leonard Crow Dog.

Speaker 18:23

Okay.

Speaker 1 18:24

Shukota. And then Leo calls me Shuktu because the horse got deeper. The horse was called the dog. Shuktu. Holy dog. And the elders I know call me Shuktu. They don't call me Grey Horse, they call me Great Dog. Because the horse is the dog. And so I've never shared that with nobody. I go by Grey Horse because that uh that's my name, and that's I went to the to the uh magistrate here in Austin, the county courthouse, yeah. And I showed him some paperwork that they gave me, and I said, I want to go by my indigenous name. I'm indigenous to this country, and this is who I am. And she gave me my name and changed my birth certificate. You changed your birth certificate and everything.

Speaker 19:16

That's beautiful.

Speaker 1 19:17

I want to live who I am, who I who I'm indigenous to this country. I'm an Indian. I'm a Mescalero Apache. Hablamos Panol Molien. Ishka Date. We come from our heart because it's everything. We're all Indians. But because we got colonized into uh the world we live in.

Speaker 19:43

Right. The podcast is laugh on, almost like carry on and levitate. It's sharing stories that can sustain us in a time of such great suffering. How do we share those stories?

Speaker 1 19:57

I'm writing some songs about what's going on now.

Speaker 19:59

Well, I was gonna ask you your most recent creative works. You've been working on songs. I have. And I was wondering if you can share anything with us today or just give us a taste or if you're Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 20:09

I'm working on some stuff. I'm working on uh uh Pejuta is medicine. Pejuta is medicine. Pejuta is medicine. Wakayalo, sacred medicine. You know, I wake up in the morning. I know just what to do. I look up at the sky. I know you'll get me through. Creator, creator, wash de wash de thank you. Black wolf, yellow bird, at the time we had was true. The red road is my path. Sometimes it can be humbling. I brace myself against the wind. Sometimes it leaves me tumblin'. Native, native, that's the way I live. Sometimes it's not easy, but what you get is what you give. Crow dog, a crowd. Chief a chief they say A homatakiasin hookah hookah he crowd, crow dog. Chief a chief they say. A homatakiasin hookah hookah he Today I ride my ponies through these city streets, sharing their energy with everyone I meet. A homatakiasin, it's what I say to all my relations. That's how I live my days. Crow dog crow dog Chipa Chiefs they say a homatakiasin hookah hookah Crow Dog, Crow Dog Chief they say A homitakiasin. Hookah hookah Toksha my friends ride well this day Let the universe show ya the way Toksha my friends ride well this day Let the universe show you the way Toksha There are no words for goodbye in my language it's Toksha when I see you till I see you or I'll see you in the next life and that's a taste of how I do my songs.

Speaker 22:34

Yeah, well I was gonna ask you what is your what is your take on immigration lately?

Speaker 1 22:39

This whole country and to have immigrants telling people they're immigrants, they've lost their fucking mind. You know, uh I don't cuss, but this is really it's it it's uh unbelievable. I never thought that I'd see indigenous people being sent to other countries because they're immigrants. Uh so that lets you know the clock is ticking. And uh these people all that do that are are you know what I mean, separating these families. You know, these people are from this land. I'm gonna lay it down here on this podcast. Most people have ancestry.coms. We don't. You know, America uh has come about within 250, 300 years, it's only been here not that long. And um, we've been here for thousands of years, and I hate saying it this way, but we can't track our ancestry.com back to France and then because uh we're from a genocide nation. We were from living here 250 years free. This was Mexico, actually. Uh, and Mexican people are actually Mayans and Aztec people descendants, and they're indigenous, and they've migrated all the way to Texas and they became Mexicans. They live here, and they've been we indigenous people have lived with them for thousands of years. We've had our differences, but they're Indians too, they're indigenous too. Uh, and it hasn't been that long that this was uh our land, it's still our land. Uh and uh to see what's going on right now is not a slap in the face, it's an eye-opener how this country was made not too long ago. The whole country was very beautiful and indigenous, but uh we're indigenous, you know. Our family, like I said, we don't know where who was great, we great-grandpa, and this like that, because uh let's face it, you know, we get taken and we come from slaves. And uh there is nations that have uh their culture still, like South Dakota and Arizona, New Mexico. Uh some small states still have that, but Texas was not a state to be indigenous. Uh, you know, and it was hard here. Here they hunted you down. You know, if you didn't speak Spanish, you it's you know, but I mean it was I heard 50 pesos for a man and 25 for a lady and five for a child, and you collect your bounty in Mexico. But and that wasn't too long ago. So, you know, everybody's always bagging, you know, I I don't say much about that, but it hurts my feelings because um uh you have immigrants now telling indigenous people they're immigrants, and how dare you have the audacity to do that? If it wasn't for us, nobody would be here. We didn't sell this land, it was invaded and taken by alcohol and trinkets and stuff. Life's not easy. That we know. Stay focused, people. You're not alone. Life is short for many. We see the illusions of life too blind to see. The illusions of life too blind to see. Illusions. We grow up thinking that dreams come true. You wake up one day, what the hell happened to you? Life is precious. That we know. Oh shit. You're not alone. Oh shit. We're not alone. Illusions. Stay humble at heart and live that way. Life's too short, it can all go away. Happiness is a choice you have in your hand. Don't get lost. It's not part of the plan. Illusions. Illusions, and that's how I wrote illusions. I just wrote that with on my new record. That's on my new record with Anthony Furrow and Eric McFadden.

Speaker 27:06

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 27:07

Yeah, illusions.

Speaker 27:09

Well, this has been very insightful. Thank you.

Speaker 1 27:12

I've been very happy here today, and thank you. And I kind of got a little deep with the podcast, but I think I need to document this and say these things uh because I know they're where they need to be with Justin. Um, and I want to come back and share more stories.

Speaker 27:29

Well, to wrap up before we we close out, I want to just kind of see another side of you, and I call it the flashlightning round. And just like the first answer that comes to your head, don't overthink it. Just kind of short answers.

Speaker 1 27:41

Oh, I won't overthink.

Speaker 27:42

Um, so just sort of um fun little questions to get to see another side of you. And some of these might be a little longer answer, actually. What is the funniest thing that has happened to you recently?

Speaker 1 27:58

I already talked to you. Uh I have magic always in my world. Yeah. This is very magical for me. Funny. The horses, they're wild as fuck. Yes. But I had to I had to move them from here to McDonald's over there. It's 100 acres, you know, by myself. Because you learn to do things by yourself because you're not by yourself. So I pray. I said, Creator, I need you to send me some spirits to connect with these horses. I gotta load them up in the trailer, and I got a bad knee, and my arms really hurting me in the cold. And they gotta do it because they they gotta do it. You know, I uh you know, just yeah, and and and I have a trailer that's broken. I had to put the floor jacket jacket up and go back and look, and it's magical to do that, and it happens in the right way, you know. Um and I um I'm nonstop talking to creator and I'm smiling. I back up there and then uh I blew the head gasket in the truck and it starts and I and then I I lower the trailer and I go to the back. And and I've already thought of all the people I can call to come help me. But I said, No, I don't need nobody to help me. I got everything I need. I know you're with me. I know I I just call them my spirits. You've been there through my whole own money. I I got this. So I took the trailer and I drove to the very back, and the horses are back there. I I had to move three of them, and I I back up the trailer, and you know when it's cold, steals hard when you hit it. You know what I mean? And I'm banging myself up, and the horses are feeling frisky, and while I'm like I opened the door and I backed up the trailer, and and and the horses are like uh and they're I had put the halters on them in the chute, so I I walked up to them and they let me. And I tied the ropes around their neck, and I put them back and I said, I need y'all to get in the trailer so y'all won't freeze tonight. And I'm hurting right now. So get in. You know what I mean? And they're kind of so I picked up this little bag I had and I did that, and they kind of and I said, And they jumped in there. So and and normally they'd be trying to get out. They jumped in there and I closed the door and they let me shut, they gave me time to shut the gate, and then I said, now how am I gonna back them up and take the same thing? I went over there, I backed up the trailer, and I've been trying to walk them for four weeks. I backed up the trailer, it went back and I opened the gates. They went in the stall, I grabbed one, put the halter back on, and I let her like I've always let them like I she came with me. And that was it. That creator let me know that they're ready, they're giving in. They're waiting on me now. So I walked her in the pen and I walked Nube. I named her Nube because she has so many spots. I named her clouds, and I put her in her pen. Then I had to go get Ching Chi. I named the other pinto Ching Chi because he's a lot of horse. He doesn't like being touched, he's wild. He's been running loose for two and a half years and 300 acres. But Sweno, I got him already dental. So I said, This one wasn't gonna load in the trailer. I could just he sees me in his bolts to the other pen. Not yes, not that day. I backed up the trailer, I said, it's cold, Ching Chi. He looked at me and went and he walked and he jumped in the trailer. Yeah. So I closed the door behind him and I said, Wow. So I took the trailer and I backed up and he went and he got in the pen too. And then my roommate calls me and goes, Man, uh, did you just do that by yourself? I said, No, I didn't do it by myself. I had somebody very special with me.

Speaker 31:54

For the third question, we skipped it over, but I asked Sam, what is his favorite song, or a song that he considers a life theme song, almost like a prayer.

Speaker 1 32:07

In 1977, I heard this song. And I had a vision of what I'm doing now in 1977. And the song was Dream On by Errol Smith. Every time I have a premonition, a vision. I'm a vision man. I turn on the radio or I walk into a store. Dream on starts. Dream on! Dream on, dream until your dreams come true. Every day I look in the mirror, I have new wrinkles on my face. I've been hearing that song since 77 when I had that same question. I've never shared that with it with anybody. But that is very special to me.

Speaker 32:54

That's amazing.

Speaker 1 32:55

I've never said that to nobody. But dream on has always been a prayer to me. Because I'm talking to creator, and I hit the button to dream on comes on. Or it's on. Stuff like that touches me.

Speaker 33:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:17

Because it's not I'm not joking around with you.

Speaker 33:20

It's so intimate. It's just like from creator to you.

Speaker 1 33:23

Yeah, so I know. I have the tools. He didn't send me any musicians. He sends me. They're all so great in this city. I know them all. I love them all.

Speaker 33:37

So who's the funniest person that you've met?

Speaker 1 33:41

Who's the funniest person I've met?

Speaker 33:44

With these musicians and these celebrities.

Speaker 1 33:46

You know, they're all when you get in a side of energy with people that are musicians or actors, they all have a funny personal side. You know what I mean? We all do. You know, we don't act that way unless you're comfortable around people. Yeah. Which right now I don't never talk to you this way, or when I see ya hi-bye. But right now it's like uh I'm very happy.

Speaker 2 34:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:07

You know, so I I I I that you feel that. But you know, who's made me laugh the most? You know what I mean?

Speaker 34:13

Yeah. Or who, like within three minutes, is just guaranteed to make you start laughing. Do you have someone like that you can come that comes to mind?

Speaker 1 34:20

Me. Oh, you me?

Speaker 34:22

Yourself. I love that answer. I love that.

Speaker 1 34:24

I make myself laugh. I talk to myself a lot. So I talk to myself, and I what am I gonna talk to Rachel today about? And so I said to the uh I'm gonna go there and be me in the most simple faith way because Justin and um this is not a podcast to me. This is like sharing my life to a friend that, you know, one day uh when I'm not here, I I want to share a lot of things with you that, yeah, like my stories, you know. Yeah, I got people that want to write movies about me, but it's not time yet. Yeah, it's not time yet. I don't plan on leaving yet. I'm telling I'm not leaving yet. Uh, you know, my law of life right now is uh take care of myself and feed my animals and pray the way I do, the old way, because it's for real and it works.

Speaker 35:18

Wow, such an insightful conversation. And Sam Grey Horse's personal transformation after his near-death experience speaks to the power of finding purpose, meaning, and connection, even in the face of great adversity. May his resilience and spiritual awakening inspire laughter, joy, and a renewed appreciation for life. I was inspired by his emphasis on preserving indigenous traditions and passing them down to the future generations, highlighting the importance of honoring our cultural roots and ancestral wisdom. I'm thankful for his stories and practices, which can bring a sense of grounding, balance, and levity to everyone's life. May you feel a sense of awe and remember to laugh on and levitate. And as Sam said, there is no word for goodbye in his language. So, to when I see you until I see you. And Sam will be back for another episode in a few weeks as we share about a recent sweat lodge ceremony we shared together on Ash Wednesday this past March. That episode meets together how laughter and sweat both live in the body and not in our NLF. So remember to follow us below so you'll be notified when the latest episode is ready, and we will begin releasing new episodes every other Tuesday starting on April 14th. Until then, remember, have fun and love it tape, and thanks again for listening.