Ethical Conundrum: Would You Rather

Kate’s running on a cold, Bradley’s trying to fill in, and somehow that turns into one of our most chaotic History Buffoons hangouts yet. It starts with a Wisconsin detour to Rebellion Brewing Company in Cedarburg, where we meet great people, taste a lineup of beers, and fall hard for a vanilla porter that has no business being that smooth.

Then we flip the switch into a rapid-fire “would you rather” game pulled from our weird history catalog, and the questions get uncomfortably real. Would you rather be Ignaz Semmelweis trying to convince doctors to wash their hands, or be a patient before anyone believes him? Would you rather survive the Tunguska event only to sound insane afterward, assist Robert Liston during a speed surgery, or try to clear a town like Centralia while the mine fire burns underground?

We keep pushing through big, famous stories and darker corners of history: Operation Mincemeat and wartime deception, Andersonville Prison and moral compromise, the Oregon Trail and leadership blame, the Belgica expedition and psychological collapse, Howard Carter opening Tutankhamun’s tomb, the Children’s Blizzard of 1888, Elizabeth Bathory’s legend, the 1925 serum run to Nome with Balto and Togo, Dyatlov Pass theories, the Black Sox scandal, Nero’s performances, and the Radium Girls tragedy. It’s funny, messy, and weirdly revealing, because every choice forces one question: what would you do to survive?

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Transcript

Colds And Accidental Sleepy Medicine

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Oh, hey there.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Oh, hey there.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

How are you today?

SPEAKER_02 0:19

I'm good. I'm Kate.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

I'm Bradley. This is the History Buffoons. We're uh doing a weird episode where I'm gonna run the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

I don't know what's coming.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

More or less I'm gonna run the whole thing. Um, I'll be honest, I don't either. What are we gonna do? Adventure! I mean, we gotta try and keep it, I don't know, weird, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Well, I am going on day six, maybe day seven, of having a cold. You sure are.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

And I've been kicking your ass.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

Yeah, and I just took a nighttime medicine, thinking it was a nighttime medicine, when in fact it's just a sleepy medicine.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

So do you want to tell them what I said to you when you took it? What did you say? You know that's just for sleeping, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:14

I know. I was like, wait, what? I was like, there's no medicine in this thing for cold for a cold. Because I was like, I've been day quilling and night and night quilling, and someone suggested to me maybe try a different kind. So I was like, I'll do day quill and then z quill.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Nope, it's just sleepy meds.

unknown 1:34

Yeah.

Wisconsin Beer Adventure At Rebellion

SPEAKER_00 1:35

So we'll see how far we're gonna see if we can get through this episode without her falling asleep. Now, in her defense, she's allowed. I've almost done it, where we've had some day beers, and I'm like, come on. By the end of the episode, and it's nothing wrong with the episode, it's just that's me. Anyway, so um, before we get into that, I don't want to close my computer and fuck up the thing again, but um we like to try beers, and so it's yesterday we went on a little adventure. I could I could literally do the let me tell you a little story about Brad and Diane. It's a little ditty, oh yeah, a little ditty, little ditty about Brad and Diane from Grafton, yes, Wisconsin. So they gave we we went to go get a some lunch because I was starving after work, and um, we were in Grafton and we met these nice people. They do this Ducky Derby race, uh, every Kentucky Derby, the last five years, I think they said. So shout out to them and their their ducky derby. They raise money for a lot of different things. I don't remember even everything that he was telling us.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

Um, it was a lot of money for um um developmentally challenged that's right learners, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Something like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

Which is they do a lot of cool things, so yeah, shout out to a lot of sensory stuff and playgrounds and yeah, a whole bunch of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

I don't remember if they did they have a name for their thing or I don't remember. If they did, I apologize. I don't recall either. But, anyways, while we got to talking to them, they told us about this little place in Cedarberg, which is very close to Grafton. Actually, it was more or less just down the road from where we were, and they gave us a couple of free drink drink chips, which is something you weren't familiar with from your youth, right? Very big Wisconsin thing, so a lot of people know that. But um so we went to this place and it's called um Rebellion Brewing Company. I'll show you this first, because we met Dale, who they sent us to see. Um, very nice guy. He's he was the owner, right? He's the owner of it, if I'm not mistaken. Um, but he also has been brewing beer for it sounds like quite some time. And so we were just chatting, tried a few whole bunch of different beers, actually.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Oh my gosh, this the amount of samples that he gave us, and just each one had a little story with it, which was so cool.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Um, but I thought it was really neat. He even on the back um personalized a little note to us saying, Hey, Caden Bradley, thanks for the support. Cheers, Dale. So this goes out to Dale, yeah, uh, from Rebellion Brewing Company in Cedarberg, Wisconsin. Yeah, and he had just put on uh we're not usually dark beer people, um, but he put on a vanilla porter that was just absolutely delicious.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Like, and I am a lager person, so this was like surprising to me. But this is the other vanilla porter.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

It is so freaking good.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

We had to get a growler.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Was that no? This is a growler. A crowler is one of those individual cans that they seal at the place. Uh, so we got a growler. He was able to find us one, and it's shit. Even that's got a cool little story. I'm trying not to spill stuff. All right, so he has it with their sticker on the back, but on the front is uh, was it again? Silver Creek Brewing Company, which is what used to be in the place where Rebellion now is. So it's got a little historic thing too.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

So yeah, it was a very, very cool place. Right on the river, right on the river.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

And I don't even know if that's just a Cedarberger. I don't remember the name. But um so delicious.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

It smells there's a strong smell of vanilla, but it's not overpowering, like it's just the right amount.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

It balances really good once you drink it, too.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Yeah, the taste, it's just so good. He did such a good job.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Yeah, so shout out, Dale. Uh, we appreciate your hospitality yesterday. We had a lot of fun visiting.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

And and I have half of a blast because I'm on sleepy meds.

Would You Rather Game Setup

Semmelweis And The Case For Handwashing

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Yeah. Now, uh, shout out to uh Megan the bartender, too. She was awesome. Yeah. Um Donna from Piggly Wiggly, who sat next to us. She had her name take still on, and I'm like, Hey Donna. I said something like, Oh, come on, Donna. And she just looks at me like, how the fuck do you know my name? It's because your name takes on. But she was really nice too. Um, anyways, so we're gonna do something, and I'll I'll I'll weigh in, obviously, too, but these are gonna be more directed towards Kate. Um, it's almost kind of uh just a bunch of would you rathers from picked from stories from that we've we've done. Okay. So these these are gonna be interesting, um, because I don't know, some of them. Well, I haven't even gone over all of them myself because I kind of wanted to be surprised and react to them. Yeah. So the first would you rather? Um, now again, we'll try and I'll do my best and try and re uh tell you what episodes these were from and everything, too. But would you rather be the doctor trying to convince people to wash their hands like Ignaz Semmelweiss did, or be one of the patients before people believed him? Because because either you're you're either ignored or you're dead.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

You're ignored or you're dead. Yeah, because Ignaz Semmelweiss, um people did not believe him. Yeah. And he kind of went batshit towards the end of his life.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

He did, yeah, went went fucking crazy. But that is from an origin of weird story. So what what would you how would you have convinced people to be like, hey, wash your hands?

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Um, okay, so as a doctor, I would assume that I've got a level of authority in my treatment room, especially back then.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Yeah, so we were very highly regarded.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Yeah, it's like, no, go clean the dirt from out underneath your fingernails.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Gross.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

And yeah, it's just common sense. I mean, we feel like it's common sense back then, but we're from a different time.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

This is before they knew what the consequences actually were, and that's why he had to convince people to be like, hey, maybe we should wash our hands before we stick them out in somebody's body right after taking some cadavers off.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

Yeah, so what happened was um doctors were doing autopsies, didn't wash their hands before delivering babies, and then the women got childbed fever and ended up passing away. Yep. And it was more deadly to deliver in the hospital than it was for midwives. I don't know if the mid, I don't remember if the midwives were just washing their hands or just, oh, they weren't doing the autopsies. That's what it was. The windwites weren't doing autopsies.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

So they weren't getting the dead flesh on their hands and spreading it into the the women.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Um, but I'm gonna say I'm gonna I'm gonna I would rather be Ignaz Sembelweiss and just Of course you would, because you don't want to die.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

You don't want to be one of the people who were one of the patients before people believed in him.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Oh, I just spilled a little with my half empty glass.

Tunguska, Liston, And Centralia Choices

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Oh my god. That's skill. Sleepy meds are kicking in. All right. Uh second, would you rather be trapped in the Tunguska, I'm sure I'm saying it wrong, event blast zone, or have to explain what just happened to people afterward with zero evidence. Because either way, you sound insane.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

So either be in the blast zone or explain to somebody what happened in the blast zone.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

I will tell you this before you even answer. I would have to try, I would want to try and explain because you saw what those tree what happened to those trees. They were demolished. You would not be there. Oh gosh, well, that would have ripped you apart. What was Tungusta? Was that a meteor? No, that was just something that they never really they I mean, they think it was a meteor, then there was some theories that it was a uh uh aliens and all that crap and whatever, but that's that's from another origin, a weird one, yeah. Um, where basically like I've also heard the rumor that it was from um uh Nikola Tesla shooting up. I don't remember if we mentioned that.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Was it that one?

SPEAKER_00 10:24

That was that one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Okay, yeah, yeah, that's right. But um, no, we're gonna be the ones trying to explain, like, no aliens were here, man. I guarantee it.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Well the the grays stop by exactly, and they're like big ass eyes, and they're like, we don't like these trees. I mean, how would you ex how would you explain that? Especially because it was wasn't that 1908 or something like that? Really? I don't know, man. I just give or take to just walk in the woods. Well, actually, I think it look at me go, 1908. Good job. All right, yeah, I would have to be the one trying to explain because I would not want to get obliterated by that in Siberia, somewhere like that. Yeah, it's up in Russia, but I think Siberia that sounds right. All right, um this one's funny to me. Would you rather be forced to assist in one of Robert Liston's speed surgeries? Oh gosh. Or be the patient during one of them.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Robert Liston. He had the 300% mortality rate in one in one setting.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Oh gosh, he nicked the the patient's artery.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

I think that's right, if I remember right.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Someone went into shock and then he nicked someone else. I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

She cut his assistant on accident or something because he's like, I don't know, trying to do a world record. Who the fuck? I still don't understand what his thought process was behind that.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Um because I think I'd rather just run away.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

So what was the first one?

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Be forced to assist.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

Be forced to assist. I I well it depends. Am I the one getting cut?

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Well, I think you have a better chance of being the assistant than the patient, personally. But um I think either way you're kind of fucked in that situation.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with his assistant and then all and then uh his I would make sure that his name was lived on in infamy.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

Oh god. I think I would do the same, but Robert Liston.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

Was that another origin of Weird?

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Uh yeah. Whoops, sorry about that there. Alright. Yeah, a lot of these tended to be a good chunk of origin. That's right. Would you rather be stuck in the town during the Centralia mine fire or be the guy trying to convince everyone to leave? Ooh. Because some people didn't want to leave.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Yeah, so there was um uh a mine fire underneath the town of Centralia, Pennsylvania. And there still is. There still is. Yep. And uh the government tried to like force everyone out force everyone out for their safety, and several stayed.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Yeah, but and then they got hosed on their pricing anyways.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Yeah, and then um once they died, their their property went to the government. Right. It didn't get passed down from family.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

Yeah, you you couldn't like, so let's say I was your kid, for example, and you lived in Centralia, you couldn't will it to mean right, it would go to the government, yeah. So they could finally have like all control over that land. Okay, so live in Centralia as a no be stuck in to in the town during the fire. So you're like here because there's fires everywhere. Yeah. I know a lot of it's underground, but you have to or you have to try and convince everyone to leave. So you gotta basically be stuck in town, stay there, like some of those people did.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Or it would be a I think it would be a really hard job to try to convince people.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Well, especially if they live there, like you said, for generations or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

It's underground, it's like it's not gonna come up, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

I mean, won't it though? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

What would you think?

SPEAKER_00 14:26

I'd I want to try and convince everyone to leave. Yeah. I don't think I'd want to stay there. You know how warm I get.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

I mean, it's freaking And you're a salesperson, like you could you could make that happen.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Maybe. I'm also a big guy. I could make that happen. Yeah, you could. I'm sure I'd run into somebody bigger than me, like, nope, you can stay. No, you're good. I won't I won't bother you any longer. So y'all not falling asleep yet?

SPEAKER_02 14:53

No, I'm good. Just my cough, which I apologize uh to listeners.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

And me.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

I apologize to you rather.

Operation Mincemeat And Wartime Deception

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Jesus Christ. Only once I said it. Okay. Alright. Um would you rather be part of the crew transporting the body in Operation Mince Meat or be the person who has to sell that plan to your boss? And it's like, hey boss, hear me out.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

Operation Mince Meat was our first Origin of Weird episode, and it was it was a good story.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

I really liked it. Um that movie was awesome too, with uh your your boy uh Colin Firth. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Um, so what happened was the the English government, like a secret part of the military, yeah, whatever. Um found a cadaver, dressed him up as a military personnel with fake intel, and then put the body in water so that I think it was just Germany at Sicily. Germany was in Sicily or something.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

But they but they put it over in Spain. Do you remember that? Oh, I thought it was Sicily. No, well, no, Sicily is the the Intel.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

The intel was try to get the uh the German troops out of Sicily and go to Greece, I forgot. Yeah, so the body went to Spain with the fake intel and it and it worked.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

The the uh Germans believed that the Intel was correct, and the troops came out of Sicily.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

And I just can't believe, like, could you imagine being like, okay, I got this crazy idea. Uh-huh. Let's do this. And they'll be like, Are you fucking serious? But people took them seriously, they did it, and I can't believe it worked. Like the fact that they moved the German army out of Sicily, or not the whole thing, yeah, a good chunk of it to make it attackable for us to get a nice strong hold on that on that island. And basically it's it was didn't they use it as kind of like a operation point where they sent off other supplies or supplies?

SPEAKER_02 17:10

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

I'm trying to blank now. That's I feel bad, but um okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

So what were the two?

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Be part of the crew transporting the body.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

I would have to be in the ocean for that, which I guess emotion sick. Okay, what was the other one?

SPEAKER_00 17:22

Be the person who has to sell that plan to your boss.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Oh man. Either one, I don't think, are bad options. No, but I don't convince people very well, so I think I'd probably be better off in the water puking over this side, trying to deliver this catacomb.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

I'd say what would you be doing? You would just be throwing up all the time. Yeah. You're not what you would call a uh strong stomached person, traveler, yeah. Even in cars you get that way. I mean, it doesn't have to be on a boat. I think I would try and sell that plan to my boss.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

You have a better personality for that.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Um but like still crazy to me how that worked. But yeah, I'd be like, we convinced them this would be huge, but it's a huge gamble.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

That was probably one of my first no, that was the first origin of weird story, but that was probably also one of my favorites origin of weird stories.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Uh same. Uh that was a strong one to start out with. Yeah. And then you told me about the movie because you watched that, so I watched it too. I don't think we always talked about re-watching it. I don't think we ever got around to doing it again.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

But um no, but if you haven't seen the movie with Colin for it is called Operation Mincemeat. Yeah. Um excellent, excellent movie.

Prison Camps And The Oregon Trail

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Great movie. And I rather rather enjoyed the story. So all right. Would you rather be a prisoner at Andersonville Prison? No. Or be the guard knowing how bad bad it is. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

If I'm the guard, I'm also the bad guy.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Apparently, I spilled too. What is up with this?

SPEAKER_02 19:10

If I'm if I'm a guard, that means I'm on the the bad side of the law.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Well, again, you can look at it. They were doing what they were told and all that whatever, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Oh, I don't know. It kind of makes me feel like a really horrible human being to like know all this disgust is happening at Andersonville, which I think is in Georgia.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Um, during the Civil War. Yep. Um, but then again, I would be treated better than the prisoners of war had to go through.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

See, and that's the thing. You would at least, I mean, yeah, it would suck to have that on your conscience, but fuck you would be treated so so much better than if you I don't know, tried to be a prisoner there. I mean, fuck that. Nowhere to nowhere to go to the bathroom, no clean food, clothes. You had what was that like kill line or whatever? Yeah, you couldn't go past that.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Yeah, there was a quote unquote invisible line, but it was fairly clear that it was a boundary of this prison. It was an outdoor prison. Um, and uh if you accidentally stepped over that line, they would instantly kill you.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

Yeah, which even if you accidentally got like pushed into it, like they didn't care they'd kill you just to keep people within this tight facility, if you will.

SPEAKER_02 20:38

Um I don't know. I had read the journal of James Skaden, who was the prisoner of war. That's how we kind of um talked about Andersonville, was through his eyes.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Um I remember I remember something very distinctive about that that story, and it was to entertain themselves, they would pick lice from their scalp and and put them in the fire and they pop.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

So gross. I mean, that is so freaking gross.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

I mean, I would not want so I'm gonna have to say, um, I'd rather be a guard, but you know, I'm gonna be a guard with a good conscience. If they cross a kill, and I'm not gonna kill them.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Well, that's so kind of you. I mean, I say well, I do declare.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Woo!

SPEAKER_00 21:33

What?

SPEAKER_02 21:34

Getting to the porter part of the vanilla. The porter part? Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Porter part. So what does that mean exactly?

SPEAKER_02 21:41

It's a little strong.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Well, you know.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

Like the first couple of steps is just like it's so smooth.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

That vanilla?

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Yeah, now that it's been sitting here, and I'm still, you know, working on half a glass is all.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

But it's just whoo who all right.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

What else you got? Let's see here. All right. We did Andersonville. All right. Would you rather be stuck on the Oregon Trail with no skills or be the person in charge of making decisions for the group? Because pretty much you're either useless or you're blamed for everything.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

I think I would rather. Oh boy. Because I feel like I would not be able to add anything to the for the people because you had no skills, it would be I'd feel like dead weight. Well, yeah, and I'd feel worthless and be like, they could get rid of me at any time. Because I literally bring no value to this trip. Yeah. But you're also, if you're the guy who's um you know, in charge making the decisions, you told us good to go to the Donner Pass, man. What the fuck? Yeah. Even though it wasn't called that that back then. But you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. I I think you'd rather be useless.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

No. But I feel like even if you were useless on the Oregon Trail, you'd still pick up stuff.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

You know, you'd still be able to to help in some way. I've met some pretty useless people in my life, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

They just take up space.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

They literally just take up space. They have they don't pick up anything along the way, so I know where you're going with that. However.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Ooh, sleeping meds.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Maybe I accidentally got some of your sleeping meds. Sorry. Big yawn. Parched mouth. Anywho. So what? What would you pick?

SPEAKER_02 23:52

I'll be dead weight. Just wake me up when we get there.

Antarctic Isolation And Tutankhamun’s Tomb

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Wake me up before you go go? Alright. Um I'm gonna skip that one. Let's do. Oh, dear. Would you rather be one of the sailors slowly losing it on the Belgica expedition? Or be the guy trying to convince everyone they're definitely fine. No, no, no. You're fine. We got this. We got plenty of penguins. I mean, here's a fin. Just roasted.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

I'll be the optimistic.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

Yeah?

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Yeah, the optimist. Yeah. I'll be the optimist.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

I don't I don't think I'd want to lose it. No. That would suck.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Unless like losing it is a little bit more like euphoric.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Oh. Yeah. That's well, one of them tried to just walk off into the ice, like on the ice floor.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

It's like, no, I see my house over there. I'm just gonna walk out.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Like hallucinate, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Yeah. So I I don't think I could, I don't think I'd want to slowly lose it.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

And then other people would feel responsible for you to kind of keep you in line so you don't do something like that.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

So you're being even more of a burden.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

Yeah, I'm definitely gonna be the other the optimist then.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

But then depending on how many people are losing it, they'd be like, dude, shut the fuck up. We're not fine.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

We're not fine.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Then they're like, dude, we gotta get this guy, then tie him up and like out on the fucking ice or something, and have penguins pecking at you. I don't know. I don't know if they do that, but um, but you know what I mean? Yeah, some people could start going the other way, even though, yes, look at me. I'm the half class, half full guy or whatever, and now I'm getting tied up to the mask because people are getting sick of my shenanigans. Well, your positive morale. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'd still probably pick the positive morale guy.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Is he a pa is he an optimist or is he is he a liar?

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Oh boy, that is a good question.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

Everything's fine. Liar.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

I'm fine, it's fine. Everything's fine. All right. Uh would you rather be present when Howard Carter opens the tomb or show up a week later after everyone starts talking about a curse? Which we all know nothing like that was actually true.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

No, oh my gosh, to be a part of that would be fucking amazing. So amazing. I'm gonna national treasure that shit.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

I'm gonna go to the preservation room.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

Where do they make delicious jams and jellies? No, that's where they store it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

They don't make it there.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Yeah, I think I would I would want to be there that day. Well except for every time that they had to quote unquote wrap up the season of the digging season, they had to re-bury everything.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Which is just fucking wild.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

I'm not one for manor labor, so no, you're not. A part of me is like, maybe I'll wait a week.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Well, and obviously back then, you know, this is a hundred years ago, they didn't know about the curse stuff and whatever. And that's like how like Benny gets all beware of the curse, you know, whatever, and the mummy and so on.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

The curse.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Yes, but like now we know it's not real.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

So I think in hindsight, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

I don't know. Maybe I'd wait a week.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

I liked that question because neither one you can pick wrong, you know, like no, not really, yeah. But I think it's just about the manual labor for me.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

I don't mind manual labor, I don't go on my way for it, but I do what I have to most of the time. I mean, my job is pretty laborious, I guess. Um the bulbs. Hey, what you wouldn't let me say laboratory in our short, so I don't know if I should allow that. But I uh I wouldn't I'd I wouldn't mind helping with the dig and everything, of course. I'd probably want to be present when he opens up. So so significant and dopamine just yeah. I mean, just could you imagine seeing all that shit for the first time? Like, how fucking wild would that have been? All right. Um, hold on. My pages are off.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

That was a fun episode too. The discovery of Tutankhamun's uh tomb.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Yeah, I I uh I love that one too.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

Yeah.

Children’s Blizzard And Bathory’s Legend

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Oh god. This one I feel like either way, you're fucked. Uh oh. Would you rather be stuck in the freezing chaos of the children's blizzard of 1888 or be the teacher responsible for getting all the kids home? Oh I don't think I would want to be the response. I think I'd rather get stuck because I I could not take responsibility for all these other kids and have it be like, well. That would be so hard. I got 10 home. Fuck about the other 15.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Oh man, uh, I can't remember the the book that I read. It's literally called The Children's Book or The Children's Blizzard of 1888. Um loved reading that book. I remember you totally on the edge of my toes, even though I kind of knew it was gonna happen because I did research before I read it.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Right.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

But oh my gosh, the amount of like firsthand stories that this guy wrote about, I think his first name was David, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Um I don't recall, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

But uh great book. Um I think oh gosh, either way, you're kind of stuck out in the cold.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

Well, yeah, because you have to being a teacher, you gotta wrangle all the kids up, you know, except for the one that wanted to go back for his um oh, what was it again?

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Perfume bottle.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Yes, thank you. Um you know, round them all up, get them on that what did they call those carts again? Fuck, I'm trying to.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Remember, yes, had a weird name. Anyways, get them all on there. Because I mean a lot of them did make it home, but there's definitely a bunch that died.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Yeah, and then if even if you did survive over that that night, the second you started moving in your blood your your heart rate bursted your basically and you died, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Because you didn't you warmed up too fast, which is fucking crazy. Yeah, that that was like a secondary thing that all these people didn't freeze to death, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Like made it through, and they're like, as soon as you stand up and walk a couple steps, they're gone. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Or uh um drawing a blank on the girl's name who had to hide in the hay bale and lost what all limbs or just arms? No, I think it was just and then she died.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Yeah, I think it was a leg or like half a leg or something.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Was it just a leg? I don't know. She lost limbs, it sucked, and then she died, and she was supposed to be going home anyways.

SPEAKER_02 31:06

Yeah, that was also a very good um story.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

It was a weird one. I never heard about that before. That was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Uh so I'm gonna say get caught. Okay. In this yeah, because like being responsible for all those kids, all these kids while also trying to like save myself. Um, I'm gonna be a little selfish and say, don't say I'm gonna I don't have kids, I'm allowed. I'm allowed.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

Would you rather be one of the victims targeted by Elizab Elizabeth Bathory? Bettery, however you want to call it, or work in her castle and slowly realize what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Oh, work in the castle 100%.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Yeah, I obviously would not want to be one of her victims.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

No, and yeah, and that was just a myth, too. Elizabeth Battery was claimed to bathe in the blood of virgin girls for youth.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Yeah, there was some weird shenanigans that kind of went on with that whole thing, and I think pure just uh witch almost kind of thing, just to kind of get some people out of the way.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Yeah, I mean, really, well, she was like labeled as this prolific female serial killer for the for to stay young, like essentially. Yeah, but that's how some no, I'll I'll be a guard and just kind of watch what's happening. Again, I'll be selfish and just kind of stay out of the No, for sure.

Serum Run, Dyatlov, And Baseball Betrayal

SPEAKER_00 32:39

But that's like um that's what a lot of um uh stories were based off of her from back then. Obviously not Dracula, but you know, other other stories were like Vampires Vampires and whatever. So, anyways, um oh come on now. It's like I'm just I don't want to be the proper color, so you can't read me. Um, but yeah, so I would definitely pick uh be in a gardener or someone in the castle. Be working in the castle. Fuck yeah, are you kidding me? Alright, so let's see, huh? Okay, so apparently I had there it is. Oh, this one is would you rather be a passenger during the 1925 serum run to GNOME in brutal conditions or be the person responsible for organizing the entire mission?

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Be a passenger, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

So you would be one of the people on the sleds running the serum.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

So I would have a route.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

For the serum run. Um we were talking about the uh diphtheria serum run of 1925 in Alaska. Um and uh the story of Balto and Togo, the dogs, the real hero. Yeah, so anyways, um it would be really hard to organize. They everything was by dog. Well, there was trains. There was the trains just didn't go as far as they needed it to go.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Um, but that's so much Planning. Plan oh my gosh, the commitment to planning and they had to do it in such a short amount of time because people were dying in gnome. Yep, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

I'd rather I'd rather be the person who was in the brutal conditions personally. Yeah. Yeah, fuck that. It's cold. I like cold.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

That's fair, you do. And then you can be selfish and just say I did it. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 34:53

No. Say Togo did it. Togo did it. Togo is a real rock star. Didn't say any movies by Disney or whoever did that. Anyways.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Um, there's a Togo movie with Willem Defoe.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

I know. Willem. Sorry, yes.

SPEAKER_02 35:09

Yeah, Willem, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

So which one are you picking? What would you do? Plan or be out there? I think you would try and plan it personally if I had to guess.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

I think I would try to plan it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Plan it.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

I'll plan it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

I'll plan it. Alright, fair enough. Uh, all right, we already had one that was similar to that, so I don't want to do that. Would you rather be on the expedition when things go wrong at Diet Love Pass or be the investigator trying to explain what happened?

SPEAKER_02 35:44

Investigator, hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

100%.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

100%. I don't I don't need any uh and then we can report back to Audra.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Audra, we figured it out.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Um did we so with Diet Love Pass, that was I was that a three-parter?

SPEAKER_00 36:02

It was our first and only so far three-part episode.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

Yeah, and we had our friend Audra on because she also really enjoys learning about that story.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

But the the first two episodes was the story, the third one is just all the crazy theories. The theories, yeah. That's right, yeah. So, because there's so many of them. My favorite was Aliens.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

Oh, yeah. Um, Diet Love Pass. Um, if you have not heard of Diet Love Pass, even if you don't listen to this our podcast, our podcast version of listen to something on it. That episode. Um, listen to something because it is it is bizarre. It's hate to say that it's I'm trying not trying to be like um rude, but it's also kind of entertaining because there's so many like ifs, ands, or buts oh no, for sure about it.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

And I I know what you mean, but you're not being rude, I don't think. It's just there's there's so many things, it's very fascinating. There's so many things that contradict each other too, but then also like make sense. It's really strange, like how that all played out. Yeah, and yes, they they're pretty positive. It was the slab lange. What's the yeah, slab avalanche?

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Slab av avalanche, yeah. Um, that's the only reason.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

Yeah, only reason why I remember that is because that's our title slab for the for the series one.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Yeah, but um, I'm definitely gonna be an investigator. I wanna I wanna be there and be like, all right, let's figure it out. This puzzle piece, here's this puzzle piece, how does it fit together?

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. Yeah, so all right, fair enough. All right. Uh oh god.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

Oh, yeah, caveat. If I were someone in the crew, am I still alive? And could I tell like what happened to the people?

SPEAKER_00 37:57

No.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

I will be an investigator.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

You would be dead if you weren't. Would you rather be involved in the chaos surrounding the black sock scandal or be the fan who slowly realizes your team through the game? What was the first one? Be involved in the chaos surrounding the black sox scandal.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

So be a be part of the gambling situation or being a fan that oh, the betrayal. Cause okay, so I'm gonna be the fan.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

The the wife and kids and I walked around our local town here, and we went into a uh um antique store, and yeah, some people sell stuff that aren't really antiques, but I saw uh was it 2007 Ryan Braun, like um rookie of the year pennant. I loved Ryan Braun until you found out he was juicy, yeah, which really soured him for me, and I still like him. It's like a betrayal of trust. So it's the same thing. Could you imagine being that fan, especially in the uh was it oh shit, what year was it?

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Oh, early 1900s, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Either way, drawing a blank on it. Um it was around 1910, 1915, somewhere in that vicinity, especially then, because that was like, you know, baseball was, I mean, I'd want to say still relatively new, but it was I think around for fuck almost 50 years or so at that time. But like that was you know, America's pastime, they all had that. There wasn't really football yet. There was football, but not like the National Football League like we know it today. But um, holy fuck, could you be like, you broke my heart, Joe?

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

Whatever that quote was, or no, say it ain't so say it ain't so, Joe. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, so it's like, could you imagine like being such a fan and having your just a heartbroken by these? So wait, you did this for pittance and you never even received it?

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Because I mean, people idolize athletes, they idolize rock stars, they idolize actors, whatever. Yeah, yeah, and then just to be like, well, that was just the biggest form of betrayal.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

And fuck you, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Yeah, um, so if you don't know the story, the White Sox um try to throw the World Series, throw the World Series um and yeah, earn money and they didn't get paid, and they lost the World Series, and they all were banished from ever playing again.

SPEAKER_00 40:46

Yeah, which is really sad because some of them are really good, like Jules Joe Jackson. He was a hell of a fucking baseball player and threw his career away because of greed. Yeah, basically. Um, this one is definitely more geared towards you in terms of this, because you're the one who typically will do the research and then you teach me something, right? Would you rather be dropped into a random historical event you've covered on the podcast, or this is where it gets tricky for you especially, have to explain that event perfectly or you stay stuck there forever.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Well, um I feel like I would have less of an issue with an event if I get to choose that event.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

True.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Cause if I could choose that event, I could choose I don't know, being um one of Annie Oaky, Annie Oakley's like gun carrying person, you know, like like caddy, like caddies with golf clubs, like I'll be your caddy with your guns and I'll have a good time.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

That's not how this works. That's not how this works. Right. Because then I could be like, I was the beggar at the grocery store for this person who walked by once. Yeah, you can't you can't do that. So you basically you're putting yourself into like, yes, Annie Oakley was not a bad one. Most of our stories are depressing, though. Yeah. So yeah, you could be like, I'd be like Annie Oakley, because then I was just going around shooting stuff, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

Yeah. Um, if I if I could not choose the event and it was chosen for me, yes, um, or I had to explain it perfectly, or else I'm stuck there.

SPEAKER_00 42:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

I'll just go to the event.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

Of course you would, because you would totally butcher it. Because even though you've done your research and we've done episodes on it, you're gonna forget something because your name is Kate.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

Huh?

SPEAKER_00 43:05

Yes, yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_02 43:07

Yeah, I'll go to the event and just try to live.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Just try and live.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

Live another day.

SPEAKER_00 43:16

Oh my god. Yeah. Um I would do the same. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to a hundred percent perfectly explain it. You kidding me?

SPEAKER_02 43:25

No, there's no way. Do I have note cards?

SPEAKER_00 43:31

Do I get to bring the teleprompter? Right. Oh dear. Um oh, this is another Diet Love one for you.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 43:41

A little bit different. Would you rather be the person discovering the bodies at the Diet Love Pass incident? Or you're one of the hikers knowing something is wrong, but not what? Clearly, I'd want to find the bodies.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Bodies and just be like, all right.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Oh, there's another one.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

I will find the bodies. Um, no, no, I'm not gonna put myself into that situation.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

No, because you I refuse. Well, especially because you know what's gonna happen. But just think, all right, try and remove that. Obviously, it's hard to being one of those hikers, they're all excited to go on this to get their was it level three? Is that right?

SPEAKER_02 44:28

Something like that, like hiking certification.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Their Russian hiking certification um be like, oh, we're so excited, but man, I'm out here. Something just doesn't seem yeah, because obviously you don't know at that point, but I get it, we do know now, so 100%. Yeah, well, there's a frozen leg.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

No, I will be the person to discover the bodies, and then I'll also be the person that tries to put all the pieces together from the last question. So there we go.

Nero, Radium Girls, And Moral Survival

SPEAKER_00 44:54

Okay, fair enough. I get that. Oh okay. Um, be forced to participate in one of Emperor Nero's performances. The liar. Or be the guy who has to tell him he's not talented.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

Dude, what are you doing? Rome is burning. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 45:19

You're not that good. You're not that good, man. Rome is burning. I think we need uh priorities. Yeah. Okay, so what was the first one? Be forced to participate in one of Ember Nero's performances.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Or tell him that he sucks.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

Yep. Pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Oh man, I don't he wasn't like a super nasty guy, if I remember right. Like he won't behead me for telling him, dude, you suck.

SPEAKER_00 45:47

Yeah, it's like um he wasn't a terrible, he wasn't a good person, but he wasn't like what's the word I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

He wasn't like a tyrant.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

No, but he did make some questionable decisions like having his mom killed or whatever. Yeah. Or tried to exile and all. He exiled a lot of people. Fucking Nero. Fucking Nero. Um but he he did some shitty things.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

I'd rather be in his good graces, I think. Well, so I think I'll I'll hand him the little preferably I'll hand him the liar. Here you go, sir. Go ahead, start. I I am here for you. I will hold your music up for you.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

I will hold your music by swears and go. Yeah, I mean, that would make the most sense, don't you think? But I don't know. Oh dear, okay. We're gonna that one that's like basically the same thing, but be one of the scientists. Would you rather be one of the scientists discovering radiation effects like radium girls situation or be a worker slowly realizing something is very wrong? Obviously, I would not want to be one of the workers because then you know, hey, my jaw is falling off.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Yeah, the radium story. That was I was starting I read that book over 2020.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

And it has stuck with me since. Um, so yeah, I I did Radium Girls fairly early on in our podcast. Yep. Um, but they did the lip dip point or something, paint lip dip paint. I don't remember. Um, but they were ingesting small amounts of radium, these women to make um glow-in-the-dark clocks watching, yeah. Um and they were getting tumors and missing jaw, and it was really horri horrible, horrible what they went through.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Um, and also I don't r also really want to be the nasty guy who knows what's going on and making them do it. Like that just sounds so horrible to be that type of person.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

To put to knowingly put people through that situation. Are you are you effing kidding me?

SPEAKER_02 48:07

I am the type of person as someone as an instructor working at a school where I give sorry, where I give duties.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

Um, I am the type of person that if I wouldn't do it myself, I'm not gonna make someone else do it.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

No, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 48:25

I try really hard to keep that standard.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

If it's something super hard, I'll try to do it myself.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

Right.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Or I'll see if someone is comfortable enough to do it, if it's something that I don't want to do, but I try not to do that.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

No, of course not.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

So, oh gosh, do I want to be someone who's dying of radium poisoning, or do I want to know about people that people are dying of radium poisoning and not doing anything about it? That's a tricky spot.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

It's a very weird ethical conundrum.

unknown 48:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

Because clearly I would not want to die like that with my jaw possibly falling off or the tumors or whatever. I mean, a lot of those girls, didn't they all die in like their 30s, if I remember right? I know it was a lot of them were pretty young. Yeah. Um sooner than that, I'm sure some later, but uh fuck. Go going in as like, well, do your job.

unknown 49:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

Knowingly.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

Also, we're not gonna give you hazard pay.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

Which is actually we're gonna they they made money off how much they could produce. So they did a lot. So they tried to do a ton, which is you know, and then they go out on dates and glow or whatever, but I that's an ethical problem if I've ever heard one.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

Because couldn't they just like have a little glass of water and dip it in there?

SPEAKER_00 49:49

But then they're still gonna get exposed to it.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:53

I mean, clearly more by doing it in their mouth, obviously, but Madame Carey was the one that discovered radium, I think. I believe that's correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

I think she also had radium poisoning, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_00 50:08

I'm also pretty sure. And didn't I think her husband too.

SPEAKER_02 50:11

I think so.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

I thought. So what would you choose? Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_02 50:15

I know. It's like be ethical or be dead. Or I mean unethical or be dead.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

That is a question. Unethical.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

Yeah, I guess. That's tough because if I pick the other one, I'm just dead. Yeah. I'm not changing anything. At least with the other one, I'm alive. Yeah. So I guess, yeah, I guess I'd have to be unethical on that one.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

Also, hindsight, right?

SPEAKER_00 50:44

It's fucking 2020.

SPEAKER_02 50:46

Same thing with being like the guard at Andersonville. It's like ethically we know what's wrong, but I'm gonna save my skin.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Oh, right. And you know. That's what a lot of people have done over the years, so you know, I get it, but your own skin, yeah. But I don't know. Anyways.

Rebellion Brewing Shoutouts And Farewell

SPEAKER_02 51:02

Alright, so how do you feel about your vanilla porter?

SPEAKER_00 51:05

It was still just as delicious as it was yesterday. Yeah, it was really good. So again, let me get my sign out here so we can give ow. It is a nice metal sign.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

Yeah. So we're gonna hang it in our podlops.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly where yet, but it is going up here. Um thank you so much, Dale. Yeah, thank you, Dale. And uh a little ditty about Brad and Diane. So that sent us there, and we met some really nice people. Got some really good beer, got a nice little uh tin sign that we can hang up in the podloft. And I don't know, we'll figure out a nice home for it. But yeah, I I rather enjoyed that beer. I really liked a lot of the beers that they had us that he had us try.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

So because you also had a like was it a raspberry IPA? Yes, that was really interesting too.

SPEAKER_00 51:58

Yeah, because it wasn't like overly powering raspberry, but it was very delicious. Um, and oh trying to like we were there one time. I'm sorry that I don't remember all the names, but there's that one IPA that was like 9.1% or whatever. It was like whoo, potent stuff, but man, that was delicious too. Yeah, yeah. So, no, there was there, they had a lot of a lot of good beers, uh, especially for Bradley over here.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

So well, thanks for bearing with us, folks, as I kind of recover from my cold and Bradley taking over.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

I hope it didn't suck.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

Nah, nah. I I'm feeling pretty good having taken sleeping meds and that's surprising. Also had some beer. Um, I think I'm gonna top my my empty glass off a little bit. Yeah, and uh yeah, now I kind of want to watch Operation Mincemeat again.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

My boy Colin. Callin, let's watch some mincemeat, eh? Yeah, yeah. Well so I suppose. All right, buffoons, that's it for today's episode.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

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