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The Origin of Weird: The Mechanical Messiah - John Murray Spear
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A decent, hard-working reformer walks into the 1850s, discovers spiritualism, and decides electricity can save the world. That’s not a metaphor. We’re telling the true story of John Murray Spear, a Universalist minister and outspoken abolitionist who believed people and systems could be redeemed, then took that same hope and aimed it at building a literal mechanical messiah.
We talk through why spiritualism was so contagious in mid-19th century America: the Fox sisters, seances as social events, automatic writing, and the idea that invisible forces might be “science” when electricity itself still feels magical. We also get into why the movement created a rare platform for women, since mediumship let them lead gatherings and speak with authority in a culture that regularly denied them power.
Then it gets truly wild. Spear claims a spirit collective called the Association of Electrizers, featuring famous dead minds like Benjamin Franklin, telepathically sends him blueprints for a device called the New Motive Power. His followers build it from batteries, copper wires, and metal parts, perform rituals to charge it with life force, and stage a full labor-and-delivery reenactment with a chosen “New Mary” to help “birth” the machine into the world. The reaction outside the group is swift and brutal, and the ending raises a question that still matters today: when new technology arrives, how easily can hope turn into belief, and belief into something dangerous?
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Cold Open And Introductions
SPEAKER_01Oh hey there. I'm leaving that fucking in.
SPEAKER_00Oh hey there. I'm just having a beer. Sorry, this is Kate.
SPEAKER_01This is Bradley.
SPEAKER_00And this is the History Buffoons Origin of Weird. And boy do I have a weird one for you.
SPEAKER_01You got a good one for me? Oh yeah. I look forward to it. What do you got?
SPEAKER_00Okay. So sometimes if I don't have so I have a whole list of like topics that I eventually want to get to, but sometimes nothing calls to me, right?
SPEAKER_01No, like you're looking at the list like Yeah Yeah, yeah, exactly. I totally get it.
SPEAKER_00So I went to Reddit.
SPEAKER_01Oh.
SPEAKER_00And I searched for weird historical figures.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
The Reddit Hook That Started It
SPEAKER_00And what popped up did not disappoint. Okay. So I am going to read what drew me in on Reddit.
SPEAKER_01And it was um by then you expanded on that? Oh, for sure, for sure. Okay, cool, cool.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So it was written by Broken Eye 3 on Reddit. Broken i3, okay. And this is what he said.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00Are you ready for this?
SPEAKER_01I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00John Murray Spear.
SPEAKER_01John Murray Spear.
SPEAKER_00Was a 19th century. Oh, you just don't interrupt. Like let me. Oh, I'm sorry. No, that's okay. Just this one part. It's just one whole big sentence. Yep. John Murray Spear was a 19th-century American activist, humanitarian, and all-around outstanding, decent human being who tried to build his own messiah out of mechanical parts animated by the disembodied soul of the non-existent baby from a female follower's phantom pregnancy based on designs transmitted to him telepathically by a secret society of famous dead people. What the actual fuck exactly drew me right in.
SPEAKER_01How could it not?
SPEAKER_00Somebody, somebody responded with, I don't think I could inhale while reading that.
SPEAKER_01All right, do tell, do tell.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so yeah, that drew me in real quick. So thank you so much. Broken Eye 3 of Reddit.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, shout out broken eye. Uh that is fucking weird to begin with. All right, let's get into it.
SPEAKER_00So in the mid-1800s, when electricity was new, people were beginning to figure out what it could actually do. Man was this man was looking at all that buzzing, buzzing, and like crackling potential, and he thought, this is how we're gonna save humanity. Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
Spear The Reformer And Minister
SPEAKER_00His name was John Mary's Murray Spear. Yeah. And he for a while was a perfectly reasonable person.
SPEAKER_01For a while. What age are we talking? Do you have an age on him?
SPEAKER_00I don't. Of course you don't. He um I think he was in his 40s. I think he was born in like 1804-ish. And we're talking about like the 1840s, 1850s, so somewhere around there.
SPEAKER_01I'm in my 40s.
SPEAKER_00So as a universalist minister.
SPEAKER_01Universalist? What is a universalist? Something that Kate didn't look up.
SPEAKER_00Uh so when I think of universalist now, I think of pretty much um a church who welcomes and loves absolutely encompasses everybody.
SPEAKER_01Everyone. Okay. Fair enough.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Exactly what I thought.
SPEAKER_01Is that more or less what it is?
SPEAKER_00Everyone is ultimately saved. It doesn't matter who you are, what you believe, what gender you are, who you love, you are already you are saved. You can be saved.
SPEAKER_01Well, it shouldn't matter what gender you love. I mean, tweet your own on that, but it's like, okay. So continue.
SPEAKER_00So he believed that no one was beyond redemption. Everyone regarded.
SPEAKER_01Shouldn't we all believe that though? I mean, in theory, you would think. Because, like, yeah, there's some terrible fucking people in this world. And some probably are beyond redemption. However, some people do shitty things, but maybe it was an accident, maybe it was a cause of situation.
SPEAKER_00And that's when they ask for forgiveness, and then they're saved.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I just gotta go throw it in the confessional and you're good.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_00So if you're Catholic.
SPEAKER_01So well, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_00Regardless of their past, their status, their mistakes, they had value. And it was a theology rooted in compassion. And at the time, it set him apart from the tradition that lead the tradition that leads. I've had a couple beers.
SPEAKER_01Hey.
SPEAKER_00It set him apart from the traditions that leaned heavily on punishment and damnation. Right. And he didn't just talk the talk.
SPEAKER_01He walked the walk.
SPEAKER_00He walked the walk.
SPEAKER_01So what kind of walk was it? Was like a strut?
SPEAKER_00Oh, it was like a run because Spear became deeply involved in reform movements that were gaining traction in the early 19th century.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00He was an abolitionist at a time that taking a stance wasn't just controversial. It could cost you your position, your reputation, and sometimes your life. Oh, wow. So speaking out against slavery meant challenging powerful systems. And Spear didn't shy away from that. He also worked in prison reform, which at the time was already pretty fucking bleak. Prisoners weren't designed at the time for rehabilitation. They were harsh, they were overcrowded, they were inhumane a lot of times.
SPEAKER_01Sounds like today.
SPEAKER_00And Speer believed that people inside them weren't lost causes. They were human beings who deserve dignity and the chance to change.
SPEAKER_01Well, and honestly, again, there's probably a lot that time and today. Yes. That that is true, yeah. 100% true. Yes, there's some lost fucking causes that are straight up fucking evil fucking people.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01However, some again, depending on your situation, circumstance, whatever. I don't even want to know what just happened there. Um I had a niche. You really know where do you want to tell the folks where? Okay. Because all I saw was a reach back, but anyways.
SPEAKER_00It was my lower back. It's fine.
SPEAKER_01Lower crack.
SPEAKER_00Keep going. You derailed me again, just like there are some shitty people in prisons.
SPEAKER_01There's some shitty people, but there's some people, again, who can be redeemed if you will. Because of shitty circumstances.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And maybe something went wrong. Not I'm not gonna say everyone's rehabilitable.
SPEAKER_00I heard I believed it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. But there's a lot that are.
SPEAKER_00So Spear visited these prisons. He preached to these inmates and he advocated for better conditions for them.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's actually pretty awesome.
Why Spiritualism Exploded In America
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So if you think about it, it already tells you something really important about him. Yeah. He was a man who believed deeply that systems could be improved.
SPEAKER_01He was a man of the people.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. People could be saved. That as that the world as it was wasn't good enough yet.
SPEAKER_01Well, it still isn't.
SPEAKER_00And then.
SPEAKER_01No and then.
SPEAKER_00Like many people in the 1840s and the 1850s, he became interested in spiritualism.
SPEAKER_01I say like occult type stuff. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. More or less. More or less, absolutely. 100%.
SPEAKER_00You're right on. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Oh dear. Was he speaking with the dead?
SPEAKER_00Yep. Seriously? Yep.
SPEAKER_01No way.
SPEAKER_00So spiritualism at the time wasn't a hobby. It was actually wildly popular. Business almost. People held seances in their living rooms. They held used spirit boards and table tapping and automatic writing and basically anything that might let them. Yes.
SPEAKER_01What is that?
SPEAKER_00So it is a way to supposedly the spirit travels through you, through your hand, and you actually write.
SPEAKER_01So like okay. Like I call on you, spirit of blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_00You write out, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Which is so fucking okay.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01I'll just leave it at so fucking so. Wow.
SPEAKER_00It was part curiosity, part comfort, and part boredom. Like, what else are we gonna do?
SPEAKER_01More or less. Like, hey man, what are you gonna do tonight? I don't know. I'm thinking of contacting some spirits. Yeah. I'm down, dude. Let's do that.
SPEAKER_00So spiritualism in the 1850 was in many ways the perfect storm of belief and curiosity, but just enough mystery to make people think that it made sense.
SPEAKER_01Well, and again, we're talking mid-1800s. I'm not gonna say anything bad about people in the mid-1800s. I mean, they're not alive still, so it's fine. Alright, fuck them, bitches. No, I'm just kidding. Um my point is Kate Spears out, and that is sad panda. Sad panda. So my point is, fucking hell, you keep derailing me. So sorry.
SPEAKER_00And uh my point is what else you gonna do? What else are you gonna do on a Thursday night?
SPEAKER_01It's not like they're gonna what's on the telly? You know? Yeah. They didn't have TV, they didn't have internet, obviously. Nothing of like that.
SPEAKER_00Well, we could uh But they might have had back ammon.
SPEAKER_01That's been around for what did we learn that was around since the 14s, 13, 16, 2800s? I don't I don't remember we looked it up. So recently, my my family 5,000 years ago. Yeah, that's what it was. It was a long in Mesopotamia? I fucking love Mesopotamia, am I right?
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um recently, my my family uh has has always had one. I've never learned how to play backgammon. Kate and I, we like learning old shit, hence history. We fucking learned backgammon and then we changed the rules so there's a couple rules that we just a hundred percent didn't agree with. So we we kind of did it our own way. Yeah, we tweaked it to our own way, and not for like and make it easier. No, we actually made it hard to do it. We actually made it harder, yeah. And uh yeah, so we're playing wow, this fucking went sideways. Let's get back to the story.
SPEAKER_00So, spiritualism took off after two sisters, the Fox sisters, claimed in 1848 that they could communicate with a spirit through a series of knocks.
SPEAKER_01They're full of shit and raps in their home. Oh, good lord.
SPEAKER_00Instead of being dismissed outright, their story spread rather quickly.
SPEAKER_01You're not weird, you're on point.
SPEAKER_00So suddenly people weren't just hearing about spirits, they were trying to talk to them. And the methods were rather creative. Seances became social events, groups would gather in dimly lit rooms, sit around tables, and wait for signs from the other side. Tables would tilt and knock and even appear to move on their own as if people weren't doing it themselves. People claimed to receive messages through automatic writing.
SPEAKER_01Look at Oh my god, someone's moving this table.
SPEAKER_00Some medians would enter trance-like states and speak as if they were channels for the spirits. And to many, it did not feel ridiculous to them at the time because it was being framed as discovery.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Discovery of nonsense, but okay.
SPEAKER_00Spiritualists, I was gonna say scientists, not exactly scientists, spiritualists, believed that they weren't practicing superstition, they were uncovering a new kind of science.
SPEAKER_01A way science?
SPEAKER_00Yep. Okay. A way to study the soul, to understand what happened after death, to prove that consciousness didn't just disappear. In a world where electricity was still mysterious and invisible forces were clearly capable of doing real observable things like turning on a light. The idea that there might be another unseen force, one that connected the living and the dead, didn't feel like a stretch.
SPEAKER_01Do you think they do you think if these people knew about Wi-Fi, they'd be just fucking blown away?
SPEAKER_00Blown, mind blown. Reformers were drawn to it because it challenged traditional authority.
SPEAKER_01Right, which is always taught you like, nope, this is what it is. Moved on, blah, blah, blah. Yep.
SPEAKER_00So if you can could communicate directly with higher truths or even the spirits of great thinkers, you didn't need institutions to tell you what to believe. It was really empowering to these people.
SPEAKER_01You didn't need institutions, you needed to be institutionalized. Fuck.
SPEAKER_00Women in particular found a unique space within spiritualism.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because they already weren't people.
SPEAKER_00Technically. I mean mediumship refer to our um shit. What's it called?
SPEAKER_01Um Lizzie Seer.
SPEAKER_00Lizzie's yes, and Lizzie Seer episode and the famous five where women were not considered people yet.
SPEAKER_01So and thank you for getting that.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. So mediumship allowed them, allowed women to speak publicly, lead gatherings, and hold influence in ways that weren't typically available to them in other areas of society.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00So when a woman spoke as a medium, she wasn't just speaking for herself, she was speaking for something beyond which made people listen. So what you ended up with was something that didn't fit neatly into a single category. It was part religion, part science, part social movement. And people fully accepted this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
Dead Geniuses Give Electrical Blueprints
SPEAKER_00Yes. So Spear, Mr. John Murray Spear. John Murray Spear did not just dabble in spiritualism.
SPEAKER_01Oh, he fucking went full board.
SPEAKER_00He walked the walk on this.
SPEAKER_01Talk that talk.
SPEAKER_00Before long. Yeah. He claimed he was receiving communications for from oh ho wait. From a group of spirits who called themselves the Association. I pronounced that weird.
SPEAKER_01He really did.
SPEAKER_00The Association of Electrizers. Electrizers? Yes. Like electric. Yeah. Only without the C, it's a Z. Electrizers.
SPEAKER_01What the fuck? Okay.
SPEAKER_00Doesn't that sound like a band or something? I am the Association of Electrizers.
SPEAKER_01I think I'm gonna start a new band. My arms don't work anymore, but I'm gonna start a new band and be like, I'm the electricizers.
SPEAKER_00You've got lateral epicondylitis.
SPEAKER_01And tennis elbow.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. That's tennis elbow.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I didn't know. You could have just told me that.
SPEAKER_00It's tennis elbow. It's also called lateral epicondylitis. It's also spawn it's also called tendinitis.
SPEAKER_01I got tinnitus too. You do have tinnitus. Tinnitus.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01So, anyways, not to get weirder on subjects. Let's get weird here.
SPEAKER_00Spear described them as a collective of advanced spirits.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00Former great thinkers, inventors, and intellectual minds who were continuing their work from the other side.
SPEAKER_01Did he ever name any of the people?
SPEAKER_00Of course he did.
SPEAKER_01Of course he did.
SPEAKER_00Benjamin Franklin, John Quincy Adams.
SPEAKER_01Sir Isaac Newton?
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_01Really?
SPEAKER_00That was not named.
SPEAKER_01That's actually kind of surprising.
SPEAKER_00Of what I recall.
SPEAKER_01Jesus Christ. Continue, sorry.
SPEAKER_00These spirits had a message, and it was Benjamin Franklin. Mm-hmm. It was really specific, supposedly, what they said. Well, humanity, they said, was not doing great. Society was flawed. Religion as it existed wasn't cutting it. What the world needed was a new force. Something that could really guide people into being better, more enlightened future. And it needed to be built physically with wires.
SPEAKER_01And stupidity.
SPEAKER_00Instead of saying, I'm gonna get a second opinion on this, bought into it. Got to work. Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_01Well, he didn't buy into it, he sold it. He sold, yeah.
SPEAKER_00He began constructing what he called the new motive power. A device that he believed would usher in a new era of uh for humanity.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00It wasn't just a machine, it was meant to be a kind of divine engine, a physical embodiment, embodiment of embodiment of spiritual truth.
SPEAKER_01Something that everybody's looking for spiritual truth.
SPEAKER_00Yep. So something that would, in his mind, replace traditional religion and solve the problems of the world through a combination of electricity and optimism.
SPEAKER_01Optimism. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Descriptions of the machine vary. There's no image of it.
SPEAKER_01Right. Well, 1850s.
SPEAKER_00But the general picture is this.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00It was built from a mix of zinc batteries, copper wires, metal spheres, and other components, all housed in a wooden frame. It included a system meant to mimic breathing as if it were designed to function like a living orgas organism rather than just than just a device.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00But of course, to Spear and his followers, because he's now a cult leader, this was not a pile of parts. It was the future. As the machine took shape, the group surrounding Spear grew more invested and more convinced that they were part of something extraordinary.
SPEAKER_01So is this basically like 1850s AI?
SPEAKER_00It's like 1850s cultism.
SPEAKER_01With AI?
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_01Because he's like putting it out there like this thing is real. And that's what people are talking about AI these days. True. However, right?
SPEAKER_00Oh, let me get to the real part. Okay, okay, okay. It gets creepy. It gets weird. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, it better origin of weird.
SPEAKER_00So the spirits continue to guide them, offering instructions and encouragement, and presumably com presumably a complete lack of hesitation to bring it to life like he's fucking Frankenstein.
SPEAKER_01No, fix that.
SPEAKER_00Frankenstein, the doctor.
SPEAKER_01Frankenstein's monster.
SPEAKER_00I'm not talking about the monster. I'm talking about Frankenstein the Doctor.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00To bring it to life like he is Dr. Frankenstein.
SPEAKER_01I see what you're saying, though. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Spear and his followers performed a series of elaborate rituals meant to charge it with life force.
SPEAKER_01What do you make his female followers do? Because that's what it sounds like we're headed towards. Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_00Groups of people physically gathered and touched the machine as though transferring energy into it. Spear then took these things a step further, dressing it in specifically designed outfit covered in metal plates and gemstones before entering a deep trance. During this state, witnesses claimed there was a visible connection described as a stream of light linking him directly to the machine.
SPEAKER_01It's probably a candle.
SPEAKER_00And then the plan escalated. Because building the machine wasn't enough, it had to be brought to life. So enter Miss Mary Ann Brown.
SPEAKER_01Who's Mary Ann Brown?
SPEAKER_00She was one of Sparr's devoted followers. Of course she was. And she was chosen for a very specific and important role. She would act as New Mary. A symbolic. A symbolic mother figure who would give birth to the machine, like Exhiley.
SPEAKER_01No. Thank God.
SPEAKER_00What followed was a ritual that can only be described as a full scale enactment of labor and delivery. Delivery, much like a handmaid's tale.
SPEAKER_01I've never seen the show.
SPEAKER_00In the handmaid's tale.
SPEAKER_01I give the gist of it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00The the wit the the rich women would fake labor while their servants were actually delivering their babies. So that's exactly what's happening. They're fake delivering this machine. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00So over the course of several days, Brown went through what the group interpreted as labor pains. She was surrounded by followers, guided by the supposed instructions of the equ eclipse. Oh my god. Eclizers. Ecliotrizers. Oh my god. I can't even pronounce it. It's so weird.
SPEAKER_01It's just fucking weird.
SPEAKER_00All of them fully committed to the idea that this machine was about to be born into the world as a living spiritual entity.
SPEAKER_01This is fucking weird.
SPEAKER_00At no point did anyone step back and say, just to clarify, we are currently talking about like the birth of a div like a machine, right? Like a device.
SPEAKER_01So is this like an early. I'm not gonna finish that. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00The moment of delivery was treated with seriousness. There was a ceremony, there was anticipation, there was one assumes a level of emotional investment usually reserved for actual human beings. Right. And then at the end of all of it, the machine was declared alive.
SPEAKER_01Oh fucking hell.
The Mechanical Birth And Violent Backlash
SPEAKER_00For a brief period, the new mode of power was treated as exactly what Spear claimed it to be: a revolutionary force that would change the world. It represented hope, progress, and a new direction for humanity. Unfortunately, the rest of humanity had not been consulted by this. So, news of the machine and the circumstances of its quote-unquote birth spread, and it wasn't enthusiastic. I don't know about that. Locals were confused and skeptical and increasingly uncomfortable with the idea that a group of people had gathered to midwife a mechanical savior.
SPEAKER_01Oh fucking hell.
SPEAKER_00A group of locals confronted the situation. They destroyed the miss the machine. Because of they're like, we don't we don't get this, we don't believe in this, so we're gonna kill the machine.
SPEAKER_01That's you, I mean, that's that's typical human nature, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And just like that, humanity's brief experiment with an electrically powered messiah came to an abrupt end. And Spear, to his credit, did not entirely abandon his beliefs. He did remain involved in spiritualism, continued to promote his ideas, though he never tried to recreate the new mode of power. I found this on Wikipedia. So I don't know the truth of this. But it said his business card said, quote, guided and assisted by beneficent spirit intelligence, Mr. S will examine and prescribe for disease of body and mind, will delineate the character of persons when present or by letter, and indicate their future as impressions are given him, will sketch the special capacities of young persons, applications to lecture or hold conversations on spiritualism will be welcomed.
SPEAKER_01Jesus Christ. That is one hell of a business. How many business card? How many business cards did it take to carry that? Holy shit.
Aftermath And Where To Find Us
SPEAKER_00In 1872, Speer claimed to have received a message from the Associ Association of Electrizers, urging him to retire from the ministry. And then he died on October 1887 in the city of Philadelphia. And that is the story of James Murray Speer. And I'm going to read it again because it is just so lovely how Broken Eye 3 from Reddit explained all this in a simple paragraph. Yes. He said, John Murray Spear was a 19th-century American activist, humanitarian, and all-around outstandingly decent human being who tried to build his own messiah out of mechanical parts animated by the disembodied soul of the non-existent baby from a female follower's phantom pregnancy based on designs transmitted to him telepathically by a secret society of famous dead people. That is the story of John Murray Spear.
SPEAKER_01Whelp?
SPEAKER_00Ha ha! Was that weird or what?
SPEAKER_01That was fucking word I can't say because you get mad. Welp? I suppose. Alright, buffoons, that's it for today's episode.
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