S2 Episode 20: Latest on Pelosi Successor; RV's in San Francisco

On today's episode, Richie outlines who's currently running for the House of Representatives to succeed Nancy Pelosi. Erica walked a long way exploring San Francisco's southeast and central neighborhoods and relates what shocking things she saw along the way.

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Really, San Francisco? podcast

Season 2 Episode 20

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Richie Greenberg: Hey everybody, it's Richie Greenberg here, and this is Really San Francisco, the podcast based in San Francisco. We talk about everything good and bad, the, and the ugly here in the city by the Bay, and I'm joined as

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Richie Greenberg: As always by my wonderful co-host, Erica Sandberg, say hi, Erica.

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Erica Sandberg: Hello, everyone! So glad to be here on this beautiful fall, late afternoon.

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Richie Greenberg: Yes. Whenever you'll be listening to it, totally different, but right now it's nice. Yeah, so we're recording this, it'll be, put up on, on, on air. It'll be put up on streaming pretty soon. It's, Friday, November 21st, I can't believe it's already…

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Richie Greenberg: the third week of November. That's kind of wild. So much happens on a daily basis, and we're going to talk about a few things today.

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Erica Sandberg: Yes.

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Richie Greenberg: Let me just very quickly, talk about one topic right now, and then we'll launch into some other more fun stuff.

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Richie Greenberg: Happening here in San Francisco. So first of all, there's a lot of buzz going on about Nancy Pelosi, who, as we all know, anyone that's been paying attention to anything in politics over the last,

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Richie Greenberg: what is it, 39 years? Knows that Pelosi has consistently won re-election over and over again for her seat on the House of Representatives, the district, right now it's District 11, which is San Francisco, and San Franciscans were the ones

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Richie Greenberg: not necessarily me personally, but San Francisco is the one that votes her and keeps her in office, and so she just announced last week that she is

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Richie Greenberg: basically retiring. She's not going to go

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Richie Greenberg: for, re-election again next year. So, that has started a whole frenzy of who's going to replace her. And so, again, only San Franciscans get to vote on this issue, and there are already several

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Richie Greenberg: well-known, at least locally, candidates that have already thrown their name in the hat. And so I just wanted to just let everybody know that we've got, Pelosi's out, so there were some rumors that her daughter, Christina Pelosi, was going to run, and that Nancy was going to,

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Richie Greenberg: help her along, and give the, give the thumbs up, and endorse the… her daughter, but the daughter… her daughter said, no, she wouldn't want it. And so, now we have…

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Richie Greenberg: Pretty much 3 prominent…

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Richie Greenberg: or known, candidates who are running. First of all, we have Scott Weiner, who is the,

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Richie Greenberg: the nemesis and a pariah to many, looked at. He is right now a state of California state senator, so he serves in Sacramento, not a… not a congressional or, you know, in Washington senator, but he's a state…

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Richie Greenberg: Very controversial guy, very controversial legislation that he has passed, and people dislike him up and down the state. He's one candidate, and he's actually very… he's campaigning very hard right now, and he's going after his competition very hard.

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Richie Greenberg: And who else is running? We've got Saikat Shakrabharti, who is a tech…

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Richie Greenberg: Multi-millionaire, I think he's, what's this, centimillionaire? That's where he's worth in the $100 million.

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Richie Greenberg: He is, formerly a, staffer for AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, which means that, he's leaning really far-left progressive, Green New Deal.

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Richie Greenberg: And, basic universal income, and, all of that.

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Richie Greenberg: And then the third candidate who just announced yesterday, Thursday, is, San Francisco City Councilperson, Board of Supervisors member of District 1, the Richmond District, which is actually my district, which is, she's, Connie Chan.

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Richie Greenberg: So, she herself is also looked at as being progressive, far, far left, but there's a bit of controversy there, because she seems to be

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Richie Greenberg: more aligned with the NIMBYs, those who are not pushing the pro…

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Richie Greenberg: you know, bulldoze the west side, and unlimited building, and all of that. So, it's gonna be interesting to see how they all three, how they interact, and who else is gonna throw their name in the hat. Now, we have until March.

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Richie Greenberg: First week of March is the deadline for all the candidates to throw their name in the hat, pay the $1,740 filing fee, and to gather, up to at least 60

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Richie Greenberg: signatures, nomination signatures, go around the neighborhood and get, actually, no, it'd be the whole city now, so… because that's the domain. Get 60-plus signatures from registered voters, to… on the nomination papers. So,

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Richie Greenberg: That is the rundown right now. We'll see what happens. Interesting thing with anyone running for this,

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Richie Greenberg: this House of Representatives, seat, is that the election is next year. It's two. There's the first one, the primary, and the…

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Richie Greenberg: the finals, the general, next November, a year from now, it's not ranked choice voting, because it's a federal election, federal does not have…

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Richie Greenberg: rank choice, so you've got the primary coming up in June, the first week of June.

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Richie Greenberg: however many other, candidates announce everyone together in June, and then the top two, who get the top two vote-getters, they then go on head-to-head in the final in the fall. So, we'll see what happens there. I think I've pretty much,

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Richie Greenberg: summarized everything here on the list, just to make sure that I cover it all before we move on. And one, one final thing, interesting, is that you do not need, or they, a candidate, does not need to be a resident

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Richie Greenberg: of the state, of the district, until when they are going to be sworn in. So you could have people that are from other areas that are declaring

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Richie Greenberg: And, and running.

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Richie Greenberg: But they're not residents of the city at the time. So, that also might be interesting to see what happens if people from other parts of the Bay Area or other parts of the state will… will jump in, strategically, so…

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Erica Sandberg: Oh, I'm sure there's going to be, more people

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Erica Sandberg: entering the race, and you've got some really funny outliers, and you've got Darren Stelcup, who, he's a social media… he's actually very big on social media. I think he's got quite, quite a platform.

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Erica Sandberg: But he's running, which is really funny. He's saying he's getting… he's taking no donations, he doesn't want a dollar from anybody, he's gonna self-finance it, literally self-finance it, and I'm just gonna…

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Erica Sandberg: sell his… Whatever it is that he might own.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, we'll see how that works out.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, I mean, it's just, I like…

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: I'm in it for the drama in that way, but .

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Erica Sandberg: yeah, I'm sure we're gonna see plenty of other people. When it comes to Scott Weiner and Connie Chan, these are the two people who I know, fairly well.

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Erica Sandberg: Not as friends, but, you know, here in the city.

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Erica Sandberg: Both are not people who I would… vote for. They're very…

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Erica Sandberg: Just really to the left of me, you know? Like, as in…

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Erica Sandberg: their policies, what they would push, I don't think would have a positive effect.

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Richie Greenberg: Right.

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Erica Sandberg: I'm just…

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Richie Greenberg: So far, so far out.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: Compared to what the city needs and what the voters would want.

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Erica Sandberg: Right. So you look at a couple of differences. Scott Weiner is obviously housing, he's really into, the YIMBY movement, but he's got some very, very

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Erica Sandberg: deep skeletons, in his closet. They're actually not even in his closet. He has the closet door wide open. It's… he's…

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Erica Sandberg: His… what he has voted for and proposed as legislation, and has

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Erica Sandberg: gotten past has been things that are really out of touch with most… out of alignment with most Californians. But he's very good at what he does. He is a bulldog, he gets out there, he bites, he hangs on, and he doesn't care about criticism. He's really good with that.

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Erica Sandberg: But, you know, it's pretty egregious stuff, you know, things like, you know, very, very soft on crime and penalties in terms of, you know, where… pro-prostitution,

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Richie Greenberg: pro-prostitution, pro-sex work, pro, loitering, the controversial bill,

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Richie Greenberg: With, the underage having, sex underage, as long as the younger person is, at least 14 years

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Richie Greenberg: And older, keep people off of the sex,

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Richie Greenberg: sex offender registry, and a lot of LGBT, pushing that, so there's a lot, a lot, a lot of problems with him as a candidate, but we'll be talking about that a lot more as things evolve, and…

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting to see, because right now, they're already fighting. He's already very hard attacking Connie Chan. Yes. In the last day, so we see that. And one final note is that all the rumors are that Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi, outgoing.

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Richie Greenberg: is going to endorse Connie Chan. So that is… that is really interesting to see. So we'll… we'll see what happens then, and how that affects the, something that people should know, kind of straight from this.

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Erica Sandberg: conversation that we're going to be wrapping up real soon, but is, you look at the diff… I think housing is really the main difference between these two.

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Richie Greenberg: You have…

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Erica Sandberg: Wiener, who's really into, you know, build, build, build, and Connie Chan, who is more of a populist in this way, which is, you know, we've got to protect the communities and this type of thing.

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Richie Greenberg: Neighborhood character.

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Erica Sandberg: Right, right.

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Richie Greenberg: Right, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: So, you know, what's your po… pick your poison here. What's your… what's… what's your best taste? Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, so, next, we have, very interesting, I, I learned that,

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Richie Greenberg: That, was it yesterday that you went for a long walk along the southeast…

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Richie Greenberg: So, take it away, Erica. Yeah, what did you do?

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Erica Sandberg: I…

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Erica Sandberg: was fortunate to win a wonderful award from Connected SF as one of the neighborhood heroes. So, it was really an exciting moment. I got a beautiful glass-etched

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Erica Sandberg: trophy, or award. Very, very, yeah. Right.

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Richie Greenberg: Congratulations, congratulations, by the way.

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Erica Sandberg: Thank you, and so that was on Monday. I left it in the Waymo.

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Richie Greenberg: Oh… No, I'm like, God.

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Erica Sandberg: I don't

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Erica Sandberg: It was so crazy. It was… there was so much going on, and the bag was very dark. Inside the Waymo was very dark, and so the good news is I did get notice that the Waymo did have it, but I would have to go all the way out to Bayview and Hunters Point, which is where their

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Erica Sandberg: Customer services where people can pick up… pick up their lost and found.

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Richie Greenberg: Like, yeah, lost and found, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, yeah, so I did… I did go out there, I took a Waymo out there, or did I? Whatever the case may be. But I walked back, and when I say I walked back, and I want people to picture, like, if you don't know the layout geography of San Francisco.

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Richie Greenberg: I walked back. I did.

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Erica Sandberg: So, right, so we're… So that was way deep in the Bayview-Hunters Point area.

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Erica Sandberg: Okay, I live…

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Erica Sandberg: In the north. That's in the deep. That's in the south, right? So, imagine… imagine just sort of going up California. That's kind of what I did, right? So, I went from the bottom to the top. So, the Bayview, I can…

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Erica Sandberg: discuss the different neighborhoods that I went through, but I went back to the north waterfront, right? To Aquatic Park is where I ended up.

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Erica Sandberg: Took over 3 hours. I did some zigzagging, some zag-zigging, you name it, I did it, I went through neighborhoods!

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Richie Greenberg: I hope you had comfortable shoes, I hope you weren't wearing your high heels.

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Erica Sandberg: It was just a fascinating, journey.

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Erica Sandberg: And I would really recommend it to anybody. In fact, it's something that we should all be doing more of. It's beautiful out these days, go out, put your sneakers on, and go walk, walk, walk, because when you do, you have a completely different perspective on

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Erica Sandberg: what's happening in your community. So, I went… I can tell you the districts, And the neighborhoods, in brief.

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Richie Greenberg: District 10. What time of day did you do this?

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, that was, gosh, probably around 3 o'clock in the afternoon.

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Richie Greenberg: Yesterday.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: Because in the morning, it rained.

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Erica Sandberg: Yes. Yeah. Oh, day before yesterday.

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Richie Greenberg: Oh, okay.

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Erica Sandberg: So, yeah,

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Erica Sandberg: District 10. I went through the Bayview, Hunters Point, Protrero Hill, which was really interesting. I passed a General Hospital.

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Erica Sandberg: Through the mission districts, the intermission.

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Richie Greenberg: And the mission's big, that covers a lot of territory. It is, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: Huge, huge.

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Richie Greenberg: Did you do dog patch also?

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Erica Sandberg: Went through dog patch. I was literally going… it's… imagine skiing, and you're doing that, zigzag where you're not going…

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Erica Sandberg: down the mountain, right?

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: Wow. Yes. So, I went under bridges, and I went over bridges, I went downstairs to get your name, and I was on… I was almost on the freeway for a little while there.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: Before somebody asked me what the hell I was doing. Like, you're gonna need to go to the right.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: Very helpful people who were looking at me like I had lost my mind when I was going through certain areas. Went south of Market.

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Erica Sandberg: Yerba Buena, downtown, I mean, I… you name it. And then finally into Knob Hill, Russian Hill, Fisherman's Wharf.

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Erica Sandberg: I saw it all.

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Erica Sandberg: So…

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Richie Greenberg: Wow. So, if it was a straight line, a straight, it would be, like, 7 miles from the very southern tip to the northern.

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Erica Sandberg: Yes.

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Richie Greenberg: of the city. I would say probably…

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, that would.

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Richie Greenberg: Excuse me.

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Erica Sandberg: rate line probably would take about an hour and 30 minutes. So I did… I clocked…

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Richie Greenberg: You took the long way around.

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Erica Sandberg: Very much so. Now, this isn't… this podcast today isn't about my incredible… what… what… how many hours… how many steps I took that day, but it really is about what I saw.

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Richie Greenberg: important.

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Erica Sandberg: This is so…

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Erica Sandberg: critical, I think, to really understanding what's happening in the city. You have to let your feet do the walking and your eyes do the seeing, open them up, even take out your earbuds, probably safer in certain areas to turn… take your earbuds out.

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Richie Greenberg: Hear what's behind you. Hear what's coming, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: major… and this is something that you and I were talking about, what I saw were so many RVs.

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Erica Sandberg: just chock-a-block. On certain roads, it would be blocks and blocks of…

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Erica Sandberg: these vehicles that were parked there, dilapidated. It stunk. It was so… it was…

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Erica Sandberg: so rancid smelling of… people were… obviously were emptying their latrines into the street. It was foul. I mean, really, really disgusting. There were several people on… in different occasions who had

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Erica Sandberg: Clearly taken something, or were mentally ill, or both.

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Richie Greenberg: So what… do you know exactly, like, what area…

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: street names or something. Yeah, that was…

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Erica Sandberg: I wish I had gotten the street names, but that was definitely under the freeway, through Bayview. Potrero Hill, Potrero Hill is just…

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Richie Greenberg: So, so is…

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Erica Sandberg: stick with RVs.

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Richie Greenberg: So, are these, RVs that have been there for a long time, or are these the ones where it's like whack-a-mole, where they were in some other part of the city, and then they got chased away, and then they went to a different area, and now they've found themselves over where they are now?

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Erica Sandberg: It pretty much looked like it was a community of RVs that have been there for a long time.

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Erica Sandberg: they're not well kept.

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Erica Sandberg: You know? Now, I'm gonna… I'm going to say, RVs can be a…

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Erica Sandberg: solution in some way, as for low-cost housing. No-cost housing in some ways. But low-cost. They're private, you can… some of them are big, you can have more than one person in them.

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Erica Sandberg: they can be… they can be great. These are not well kept. They're very sketchy, very, very sketchy. Lot of drug activity, a lot. Needles everywhere.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, I've seen them in other parts of the city, and other areas, other cities as well.

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Richie Greenberg: Where it looks like they're abandoned, but they're not, and there's someone living in there, or people in there, and it also looks like there's hoarders in there, too, because it's filled with junk, and can… if you can see through the front window, it's just piled high with all kinds of crap and all kinds of…

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Richie Greenberg: You know, stuff. And if you happen to be around when they open the door and they come out.

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Erica Sandberg: God.

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Richie Greenberg: They stumble out, things fall out with them, and it's all just a pile of junk inside.

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Erica Sandberg: And I don't like fake stuff, Richie. I mean, when we're told that these are being occupied by families.

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Erica Sandberg: No, no, they're not. These are, these are, for the most part.

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Erica Sandberg: I wouldn't even call them homeless, because this is their home, that's their home. But…

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Richie Greenberg: And even unhoused, if you use the word homeless, there's like, don't call them homeless, okay, we'll call them unhoused. But they are in a shelter, if you will. So they're not living out on the streets, they are inside as long as they want to be, and come out when they want to.

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Erica Sandberg: So I thought it was also very interesting, as I was walking through certain areas, you really see how… how empty some parts of it are, too. It's industrial, except the industry has gone, so it's a lot of empty lots.

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Richie Greenberg: There's a lot of opportunity. We have this huge…

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Erica Sandberg: We've got to build, we have to build, initiative.

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Erica Sandberg: Well, there you go. You've got plenty of areas within the city that people don't even think about that could easily have tall… the tall buildings that everybody wants. They just don't want them there. Well, you know what?

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Erica Sandberg: This is where it's empty. Here's where you don't have to displace people. Here's where you don't have to mess up single-family housing, which is.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, well, here's a question, though. There's been a concern over the years, is that in parts of the Bayview of Hunters Point, that is…

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Richie Greenberg: formerly a naval yard, right? And there are allegations or actual proof that there is radioactive, either soil or some other toxic waste is in that area. Now, is that… do you know, is that where you were walking around?

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Erica Sandberg: Well, I…

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Erica Sandberg: I mean, I was walking around, again, just sort of all over the place. Was I walking through toxic soup? I don't know, you know? But people do live there, you know, this is where there are homes, there are apartments, there are…

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Erica Sandberg: So, you know, I don't see that that would be a relevant factor when it came to, well, we can't build there because of this. There's already people there. So… but it is much more sparse than it is in other areas of the city, which are dense! We already have.

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Erica Sandberg: So.

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Richie Greenberg: So when they talk about San Francisco being among the most dense cities in America, and how many residents per square mile, right, this area you're talking about, the far southeast corner of the city.

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Richie Greenberg: It is not like that. It is not dense. We have… we have very few people per square mile, per square block.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and there's some really good things about that. And so, you know, you can kind of keep going, and there are areas like, the dog patch, and certain areas south of Market, and there are plenty of places that we could build and build upwards, and without disruption, and without gnashing of teeth.

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Erica Sandberg: But… so… but that's… that's one story that we can follow later, but I think what's really important

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Erica Sandberg: is that we did get a message from Daniel Lurie today, online, social media, saying, if there are any landlords out there who are willing to take the people from the RVs and

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Erica Sandberg: rent to them. We will cover the rent. We will… we will make sure that the transition from the RV to your apartment is seamless. And, you know, please do the right thing. Please do the right thing and take the.

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Richie Greenberg: So that sets up a bunch of questions right there, based on what you saw and what we've just talked about.

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Richie Greenberg: Who are these people that are in the RVs in that condition, dilapidated, or mentally ill, or drug users, or a combination of all of that? And then to say, to have the mayor or anyone come out and say, we need people

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Richie Greenberg: landlords to put these people up somewhere. And, we will pay you. Well, who's we? It's the taxpayers, right? So, you know, unless Mayor Lurie and all of his rich friends are gonna be footing the bill, it's gonna be the taxpayers that are gonna do this. So,

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Richie Greenberg: To his announcement today, was one of my followers said,

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Richie Greenberg: Well, is this going to now entice people from outside San Francisco to show up in a RV, park it wherever, and then plead for a place to, to move in, a benevolent, you know, a landlord is going to now take them in?

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Erica Sandberg: there's always a downstream effect, always. So, you have… let's just say that the people from the RVs are moved into the new homes, they do get it. What happens to that space that they just unoccupied? Well, it gets…

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Erica Sandberg: another RV pulls in, another car pulls in. So, it's a never-ending cycle. You're not really solving…

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Richie Greenberg: Unless, unless they say, no, you know, you want to move into,

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Richie Greenberg: you want to leave your RV and move into a housing, then you have to, you know, your RV is gone. Take out what you need, and we're just gonna, you know, destroy it. It's gonna be towed away and sent to the junkyard, and it's gone. You can't have both.

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Richie Greenberg: That's the first thing. Secondly, like you said, you can't tow it away, and now you have an open space for a new RV to come in and take its place. It's like, no, you can't replace it with a different RV that wasn't there before, or that came in from out of the city.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, I mean, those… that's all… all, like, major concerns. And the other one is…

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Erica Sandberg: you have to look, why are people living in RVs in the first place? It's because they don't have a lot of money or any money. Typically, they do have, some psychological issues or substance abuse issues, right? Or a lot of them are also

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Erica Sandberg: ex-felons. They, they, right? They're… these are people who have.

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Richie Greenberg: And they can't get a… they can't get a lease, they can't get a.

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Erica Sandberg: Right.

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Erica Sandberg: Right. And people have had really serious charges, and you're talking people with sexual assault, and murder, and…

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Erica Sandberg: Now, also, what about, like, many of them have dogs. Many have dogs.

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Richie Greenberg: dogs… They're dogs, or even animal abuse?

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Erica Sandberg: Absolutely, and another…

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Richie Greenberg: too.

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Erica Sandberg: Another cohort here would be people who have, Had… Problems with sexually abusing children.

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Erica Sandberg: Right? So, are on the list. And they can't live in certain areas, right?

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Erica Sandberg: Right. So, now, are there a few, maybe a tiny handful of people who I've just fell on hard times? Absolutely, and I can tell you, from personal experience, I don't know, I think I shared this with you before, when my parents divorced, my mom lost everything and ended up in her car with a few of my

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Erica Sandberg: siblings, so I know that can happen.

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Erica Sandberg: It does, but it's, it's so… minute compared to the…

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Erica Sandberg: what's huge, which is all the rest, which is highly problematic. What do you do with them? I don't… I'm not claiming to have the answers, but I will say is that it's not as simple as going, well, gosh, we gotta get you into an apartment, here's how we can help do that. You're setting yourself up for a world of trouble. I have…

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Erica Sandberg: experienced firsthand what it's like to be in Section 8 housing.

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Erica Sandberg: family members have been in it. In the projects, I've been in it. These… a lot of times, it's…

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Erica Sandberg: They're people who've got a very difficult time

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Richie Greenberg: Being on time.

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Erica Sandberg: Being respectful, going to work every day, right?

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Richie Greenberg: And accountability, also. Accountability.

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Erica Sandberg: Put the garbage in the right.

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Richie Greenberg: Right. It's, it's a…

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Erica Sandberg: it's a sad fact that those skills or that capability is kind of not there. So, do you really want this in your apartment? You've got to be really, really careful and thoughtful.

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Erica Sandberg: The reaction today was, hyper-negative. It was like, what are you talking about?

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Richie Greenberg: Exactly.

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Erica Sandberg: One thing I have to say is.

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Erica Sandberg: You know, people do talk about,

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Erica Sandberg: Mayor Lurie's… his background being… he comes from a very wealthy family, right?

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Erica Sandberg: I think it's easy to kind of be at that vantage point, and then not really fully understanding what it's like.

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Richie Greenberg: So would you say, sort of, there's a disconnect? Yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: I would, and I think it comes out of the goodness of his own heart. I mean, I would say that that's probably true, is that you're like, oh my gosh, because I see it all the time, right? People who are wealthy going, oh my goodness, those poor people. They just need a hand up. Well, the hand up becomes a foot up and a body up, and it never goes up. It is not temporary.

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Richie Greenberg: Now, you remember, just a few years ago, during COVID, COVID lockdown, and the six months to a year after that, we had some rabid people, that were on the Board of Supervisors, including Hillary Ronan, who was out there, screaming

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Richie Greenberg: Practically screaming at board meetings, saying that we have to seize hotels and motels, seize them to be able to put these individuals who are homeless into this forced housing.

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Richie Greenberg: And, we know that there were, many situations, many incidents where these kind of people, the ones who were in the RVs that you saw.

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Richie Greenberg: were put into housing, whoever owns it privately or publicly owned, right? Where these individuals then went wild inside

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Richie Greenberg: Out of the view of the public, and started fires, destroyed the inside of the hotels, the damage, and then the city gets the bill from the hotels for all the damage, sometimes millions and millions of dollars, and then that means… and then the taxpayers have to pay for that.

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Richie Greenberg: this is… this is, like, almost a repeat of that in a different way, and I think that's why the reaction to Mayor Lurie's plan today was, as you said, hyper-negative.

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Erica Sandberg: Right? Yeah, I definitely covered that situation very extensively when that was happening. The,

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, that was… it was… it was a disaster. It was not…

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Richie Greenberg: a disaster, and we've seen it. We've seen it before, just with a different mayor, but we've already seen it.

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Erica Sandberg: Now, as I say, in really rare circumstances, it definitely can help. It can be a lovely thing. So, you know, I don't know how imp…

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Erica Sandberg: how really it's… what it's going to do. The RVs themselves, and as I say, I really wish people would go and take a look. It's… it's not what… it's probably not what you think, right? These are…

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Richie Greenberg: They're usually… they're older RVs, not the… not the $150,000, $200,000 big RVs that you see on the freeways that are heading to…

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Erica Sandberg: across the country, going to, like, you know, Mount Rushmore and other Grand Canyon. These are ones that have…

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Richie Greenberg: That are much older, they're already dilapidated, the paint and everything is in the rust.

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Richie Greenberg: And, they look like they're broken down, and I've seen a few of them that are along 19th Avenue South over near San Francisco State University. And other areas, of course. But this is what we're talking about, and you see them up on cinder blocks sometimes.

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Erica Sandberg: They… they absolutely are, and, you know, I'm… I'm…

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Erica Sandberg: I can totally empathize with the desire to have your own personal space. You get it with those, and I think that is a great thing. If you want… if the city

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Erica Sandberg: would want to have more of a, contained RV park where there's expectations, no drug use, you gotta take your garbage out in the proper way, you know, all of these types of things, sure, you can find…

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Richie Greenberg: And sanitation hookups, right? So, because right now, they're just dumping their waste, the human waste, the toxic, hazardous runoff is just being dumped right there.

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Erica Sandberg: It really… it is, and it's… that is really foul. So…

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Erica Sandberg: I don't… I don't…

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Erica Sandberg: My, my opinion here is…

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Erica Sandberg: all of… you know, here we are, we're walking around as just human beings, right? We should be able to take care of ourselves and not hurt somebody else in the process, right? That goes for people who are living on the street. Take care of yourself and don't hurt anybody in the process. You have a responsibility, a civic responsibility, yes, even when you are down and out.

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Erica Sandberg: And a lot of people kind of forget that their… the responsibility goes both ways. So, if the city can

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Erica Sandberg: do something to ensure that those rules are followed? Brilliant, we can do that. But, you know, moving everybody into apartments is untenable, impractical.

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Richie Greenberg: And very, very strange for Mayor Lurie to be.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: pleading that way. It looks like… it looks like there's either no plan, it looks like he's desperate, and his advisors are desperate. This is… this is not, in my opinion, this is not the solution, and I even,

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Richie Greenberg: Years ago, was brought on air to… to comment in a similar manner from one of these other, smaller national, networks, where that was the time that they were, they pushed the idea of opening your spare room

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Richie Greenberg: To the homeless. Do you remember that? I did. That was a few years, I think it was in 2022. So yeah, that also a fiasco, and I answered the same way. It's like, one of the reasons why they're homeless is because they're drug addicts, they've got the, they're on the sex offender list, they can't hold a job because they're mentally ill.

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Richie Greenberg: is this the kind of person that you want to open your home to? So this is… this is the conundrum, this is the really bad situation, because we all want to help, we all want to be, you know, benevolent, and help a fellow… fellow human being.

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Richie Greenberg: But the person that is in that situation is really not able to function in a accountable and a way that we could work with them.

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Erica Sandberg: Right, exactly, exactly. And, you know, when people are in those positions where they're… they're not… they're not in a, state of mind where they can care for themselves, well then, you know, a good society, this is…

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Erica Sandberg: something I definitely believe is… does step in and say, okay, well, you know, if you can't take care of yourself, then we need to…

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Erica Sandberg: Take that next step, the conservatorship and, you know, not allowing The, the, the.

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Richie Greenberg: drug, drug use. And also, we had, we had that program that, that was started years ago, under when, Gavin Newsom was mayor here, and then,

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Richie Greenberg: London Breed, the previous mayor, kept this going, was a bus ticket home, one way. So, it's called Homeward Bound, right? So that was, for a while, the most successful way to get people up on their feet and out and in the city, is to actually send them back to their loved ones, whether it be their family, their parents.

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Richie Greenberg: They're good friends or extended family. They came here, many of them came here on a one-way ticket, on a Greyhound bus ride.

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Richie Greenberg: Years ago, they live on the street, so send them back where they came from, but in a good manner, not to just have them sit here and do drugs and be a drain on taxpayers.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, I agree.

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Richie Greenberg: That could actually be continued right now with Mayor Lurie. Okay, you want to help these people that are in these dilapidated, run-down RVs, how about getting a ticket back home?

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Erica Sandberg: How about helping people work?

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Richie Greenberg: If that is a possibility, and they are reliable and accountable also as well, yes, of course.

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Erica Sandberg: It could be doing so many different things, you know, but there is… you learn how to be human again, because a lot of people aren't living in a way that makes them feel dignified. You learn how to be human again when you are contributing to your own life. You are…

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Erica Sandberg: working for yourself, but you're also doing good things for the community. Instead of just constantly being a taker, you're also a giver.

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Richie Greenberg: Perfect, that's exactly right. Take, take, take. How about you give back, even if it means that we hand you a broom, or a rake, and trash bags, and you help clean up an area, just to do that kind of public works, public service, something helped a graffiti abatement, something like that, you know?

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Erica Sandberg: I've seen the trap, personally.

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Erica Sandberg: In my own life, I've seen the trap of people who get

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Erica Sandberg: way too accustomed to doing nothing but taking. It erodes your soul. It erodes your muscles that allow you to function as a self-sufficient human being. It is not good for people. Now, if people have absolutely no way, you are disabled, you're a senior citizen, you're… whatever the case may be.

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Erica Sandberg: my God, a good society does say, okay, what can we do as that safety net?

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Erica Sandberg: But, you know, the RVs is a free-for-all, putting people in… it is… it is a lot of… a lot of mayhem in some really wild areas of the city, so I would say, if you want to follow in my footsteps.

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Erica Sandberg: go out to… to Bayview Hunters Point, put your… put your most comfortable shoes on, and…

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Erica Sandberg: walk all over the city. I think it's a great place to start, because you're down at the south, you could… you could make a big detour over to the… to, you know, all over, and

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Erica Sandberg: Just see for yourself.

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Richie Greenberg: And bring water, bring a little backpack or something, a little… some granola bars and something, and then… and then make a plan at the end. What did you do when you got to the end?

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Erica Sandberg: I love that! Yeah, absolutely! And treat yourself, go have a nice… if you're gonna end up in Fisherman's Wharf, which you certainly may, or at the beach, go find yourself a nice…

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Richie Greenberg: place to have a good margarita or something, because they did deserve it. That is a big thing. Exactly.

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Erica Sandberg: I have to say.

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Richie Greenberg: Great accomplishment.

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Erica Sandberg: On my crazy walk, people were stopping me, because I looked like a fish out of water in some areas, and that included people who were living on the street, going.

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Richie Greenberg: Are you lost? No.

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Erica Sandberg: Okay, thank you.

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Richie Greenberg: That's fine.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, so, on that note, I think, we will wrap things up for today. This was a wonderful

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Richie Greenberg: recounting of your experience. You know, as we say over and over again, Erica, we love San Francisco.

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Richie Greenberg: There are many people out there that give me crap, or you, and say, you're so negative. We're not negative, we're disappointed in many of the things that are happening here by the elected officials in City Hall and all of the appointees that they put.

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Richie Greenberg: At… in the different, departments and commissions, and then the… the nonprofits that, take taxpayers' money and often do nothing.

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Richie Greenberg: So, we're calling it out, but we also call out the beauty. You know, we have such proximity to amazing natural beauty here in the city.

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Erica Sandberg: We really do, and there's so much opportunity, and I am not in the slightest bit

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Erica Sandberg: As a… as a pessimist, I'm not… I'm not that way. I can have my moments, for sure. But overall.

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Erica Sandberg: you know, these are problems that can be solved. Just be really careful with those… with the solutions, because a lot of those solutions are actually a gateway into more problems. So, and we see that time and time again, right, Richie? We see short-term… little short-term band-aids, and then…

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Erica Sandberg: the band-aid falls off, and you have got a festering sore. So, we don't want that. We want health, we want…

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Erica Sandberg: Robust, we want, functionality, and we want

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Erica Sandberg: peace and prosperity for everyone, if you can. And boy, that sure sounds socialist, doesn't it?

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Richie Greenberg: For me, I just want… It all depends who's paying for it, that's what it is. So, you can find us online on the new website that went up live last week or so, greenbirdsandberg.com, it's right here at Greenberg-Sandberg. I'm Richie Greenberg, Erica Sandberg, Greenbergsandberg.com, and you can find

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Richie Greenberg: bios about us and our experiences, and you can find links to, other podcast episodes. We're on Apple, on Apple Podcasts, we are on, Spotify as well. So, reach out to us. You can, again, go to greenbirdsandber.com, you can find our contact information. We're on

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Richie Greenberg: Twitter, or X, formerly Twitter. I am Greenberg Nation, and Erica is Erica J. Sandberg. And any parting message, Erica, today?

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Erica Sandberg: I do, actually, so… because

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Erica Sandberg: because walking can be intimidating through certain neighborhoods and, you know, just don't feel quite right, feel free to contact me. I'm always… not always, I will always try to be available to be a companion.

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Erica Sandberg: We could get a group together, happy to do that, too. You know, again, as long as there's something at the end of the rainbow, I'm good. And then one more thing is, during COVID, I led tours down to… in and out through the

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Erica Sandberg: Tenderloin, Civic Center, South of Market area.

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Erica Sandberg: Remember, as a resident, or a small business owner, or a worker.

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Erica Sandberg: Right. You can't really understand what you're dealing with unless you see it with your own eyes. So…

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Erica Sandberg: Get out there. That's… I say that over and over again, but I, you know, I'll never stop saying that. You know, it's… do your best to get out there. Get out of your car, get out of your Waymo, and don't leave anything in it, because you're gonna be out of things.

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Richie Greenberg: You didn't get your reward back yet? I picked up. Okay, great.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, so, again, that wraps things up. Thanks, thank you, Erica. Thanks, everybody, for listening to Really San Francisco, the podcast that talks about all the good, fun stuff and shenanigans here in the city by the Bay. Thanks again for listening, and we'll see you next time on the next episode. Thanks.

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Erica Sandberg: Until then, bye, everyone!