S3 E3: Compelled Speech Is Bullying!

Richie and Erica decry the "Compelled Speech" efforts rearing their ugly head once again, locally and across the nation. Tech companies, government officials, Hollywood celebrities and civic leaders use guilt and pressure tactics,  demand listeners join their viewpoint and condemn those they consider a target. 

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Really, San Francisco? Podcast

Season 3 Episode 3

Compelled Speech Rears Its Ugly Head Once Again

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Richie Greenberg: Hey everybody, it's Richie Greenberg here, and this is Really San Francisco, the wonderful podcast with giving glamour and glitz to the news that's here in the city by the Bay, and again, I'm Richie Greenberg, joined by the wonderful co-host Erica Sandberg. Erica, how are you today?

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Erica Sandberg: I am good. I'm actually looking out the window at this moment, and it is dreary out, so I'm happy to bring on the glitz. It's very gray and chilly. Not snowy and freezing cold as much as the country is, but, yeah, why not throw some sparkle into it? Because we really need it around here.

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Richie Greenberg: We do, but I was out early this morning running errands, and it was sunny. It was fairly nice, but yeah, I know, we can complain a little bit of gloom. It's still, it's almost 60 degrees today, and parts of the country are, like, freezing sub-zero, and so…

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Richie Greenberg: I know.

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Erica Sandberg: to bring, and I, you know, of course, I always love how you dress for the occasion. The…

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Erica Sandberg: we do need… I think it really helps the general tone of a place to bring it. You know, whatever you want to wear, if it's… I've got… actually happen to have four different tiaras, this is just one of them.

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Richie Greenberg: Did they say anything? Your other ones, do they say anything?

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Erica Sandberg: You should get one.

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Richie Greenberg: I don't wear them. Alright, just for fun, maybe just for a few minutes, alright.

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Erica Sandberg: Mostly.

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Richie Greenberg: So, how about you introduce today's topic?

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Erica Sandberg: Absolutely! Today's topic is all about compelled speech. This is something that we've been grappling with over the past, oh, I say 6 or 7 years, that has really, ramped up. It ramped up during 2020, 2021, when we would hear

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Erica Sandberg: in social media, but also in our average discourse, on our everyday, just talking to people, this whole silence is violence. If you don't stand up, and you don't make a statement, and you don't

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Erica Sandberg: Discuss and make a very firm commitment verbally and by, you know, written, about a subject.

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Erica Sandberg: then you are committing an act of violence. You are in the wrong by being…

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, and then you need to be shunned then. Shunned, excommunicated.

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Richie Greenberg: canceled, censored, all those different words, and yeah, I mean, I'm sure that a lot of viewers, a lot of listeners have experienced that over these years, for sure.

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Erica Sandberg: Did you ever succumb to it? Did you ever get attacked for it, and then said to yourself, well, maybe I should say something?

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Richie Greenberg: Well, I actually, preparing for this episode today, I made a list of all these things that I remember that were all supposed to now fall in line.

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Richie Greenberg: And we can go through a few of those, but, I'm looking right here. I don't think…

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Richie Greenberg: that I have consciously…

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Richie Greenberg: agreed to be forced, to be compelled into saying something, and often what I do is I will say.

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Richie Greenberg: the two, in other words, the version that some people think is the way something should be, mentioned, and then I will also, either in parentheses or in a slash, put the two together. Like, for example, I know you have a couple of things that,

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Richie Greenberg: issues and compelled speech that you have, yourself noticed or heard about just in the last couple of days. That's why we're doing this podcast. But if we go back.

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Richie Greenberg: We go back a few years.

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Richie Greenberg: There were things like this whole thing with calling them homeless, those individuals. Are they homeless, or are they unhoused?

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Erica Sandberg: Hmm.

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Richie Greenberg: Right, so I've never used the word unhoused. It's homeless. Things like… and going back even years, remember that whole thing, 1 plus 1 equals 3? You couldn't even say 1 plus 1 is 2. That was this whole idea of psychologically trying to gaslight and force people into

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Richie Greenberg: Thinking different and, like, questioning what you've always known.

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Richie Greenberg: like,

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Richie Greenberg: you know, men can get pregnant. If you don't agree with that, you get canceled, right? Or the whole trans movement with misgendering based on whatever they want their rules to be.

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Richie Greenberg: What I do now is also lumping legal and illegal alien immigrants together, and just calling them immigrants. Yes, they are, but there's a reason for that to be done where they're lumped together, because they want it to be lumped together, and…

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Richie Greenberg: And that's a problem. I usually separate the two. How about this one?

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Richie Greenberg: I've noticed this in a lot of,

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Richie Greenberg: shows or touring homes for sale, you don't call it the master bedroom anymore. Now it's the primary bedroom, right?

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Richie Greenberg: So I thought that was pretty bizarre. A lot of that has to do with, like, tearing down statues and monuments, and we've talked about that in past episodes.

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Richie Greenberg: trying to erase history, trying to… trying to change people's view of things. And even remember the BLM, Black Lives Matter, movement back in 2020, you couldn't say, well, you know what? All lives matter. No, you could not say that either, and you'd wind up getting…

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Richie Greenberg: you know, you'd be labeled as a right-wing, a white supremacist, racist, homophobic, all of that. Or at that time also, all these photos that were coming out of political leaders, state and federal, all taking a knee.

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Richie Greenberg: Taking a knee during, football games or other events, and this is all compelled speech.

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Erica Sandberg: It's compelled speak… and compelled actions, and compelled that you are… you need to take a position on something that really may not have anything to do with you, that you don't feel strongly about, or worse, that you don't know anything about. You really got no connection to it whatsoever.

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Erica Sandberg: I would be very uncomfortable. In fact, so uncomfortable I wouldn't do it. Make a statement about something that I don't have intimate knowledge about.

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Erica Sandberg: I just wouldn't do it. It's dangerous. And dangerous in terms of…

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Richie Greenberg: Well, and it's like.

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Erica Sandberg: Boom!

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Richie Greenberg: You have to go along with us. You have to go along with us, otherwise your… your… and all those different, you know, words and stuff, right? You need to go along, and if you don't…

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Richie Greenberg: If you don't take a position, and to say, like, what you just said, I don't know anything about it.

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Richie Greenberg: Right? I don't know, I haven't researched this, I don't have a feeling, I don't… that's also looked at it negatively as well.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, exactly. Take a step back.

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Erica Sandberg: try to… do your best to get all the facts before making a comment, and we are now seeing this ramped up, super hot. We're reaching this boiling point in the country, certainly in Minnesota, where

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Erica Sandberg: You… people feel that they need, right now, right now, at this moment, to say something, do something, make a statement, and…

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Erica Sandberg: I would never, I would never do that, and I don't think it's right for people to do that, because you could get it wrong. Don't do… or you could get it right! We don't know!

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Richie Greenberg: Oh, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: Take a meal, take a beat, for goodness sakes. Wait. Wait until it all comes out.

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Richie Greenberg: So what, what, what have you seen in the last couple of days that has.

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Erica Sandberg: prompted this to be our topic. Well, that's… thank you. I mean, this is something that I have seen now come out in the tech community, and I'm not a tech person. I'm really not.

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Richie Greenberg: Me neither, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: technology, where you…

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Richie Greenberg: We use it, clearly, but we're not, we're not.

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Erica Sandberg: No.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah. We're…

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Erica Sandberg: founders. We're not… we're not members of this,

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Richie Greenberg: VCs, and investors, and other, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah. But we certainly know people who are.

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Erica Sandberg: I value them very much. They're… it's an essential part of our city.

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Erica Sandberg: we welcome people to come and be innovators, and to start companies here, to have these wonderful startups that are funded by huge, you know, VCs, like Gary, Gary.

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Richie Greenberg: 10.

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Richie Greenberg: every 10.

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Erica Sandberg: And many others, many others.

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Erica Sandberg: We welcome them, we want them, we value them, and we need them. These… in many ways, this is an essential

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Erica Sandberg: vein in our heart. And without that, we don't have… we don't have that same sense of, excitement.

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Erica Sandberg: innovation, this is where people come to San… you know, where people come to

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Erica Sandberg: launch their business, to do something exciting, to bring employees in, to move here, to move their families here, to set a foundation here. So there's really… it is… it is truly, truly important, and it's something that we have seen for a long time. San Francisco, along with Silicon Valley, is a… it is a focal point.

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Erica Sandberg: So what we're seeing right now, all of a sudden, is if Silicon Valley and San Francisco, if these leaders do not make a statement about what's happening in Minnesota, about the ICE raids and the people who are getting shot and putting themselves in these positions where they're protesting and they're very, very firm about their opinions.

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Erica Sandberg: And they're excited about what they're doing, they're very compelled to be out there, right? This is what they're doing. That's obviously what's happening.

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Richie Greenberg: Of course, you've got law enforcement, and you've got ICE agents, and then you've got… and it's a very, very heated situation. That's far away.

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Erica Sandberg: I believe that's around 2,000 miles away from where we are. And it's not happening here. Most founders, and many of them who don't even

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Erica Sandberg: weren't even born in this country, just don't have a sense of what's happening. They're being pressured to make statements, and it's absurd, and it actually makes me really feel quite sick, because I don't think anybody should be pressured. I wouldn't do it to someone. If something is important to me, Richie, would I say, you need to make a statement about this?

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Erica Sandberg: No, and believe me, there are many… I wish people would.

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Richie Greenberg: But you know what? Which is really interesting, I have no problem making a statement, but I'm not agreeing with those who are making… who are trying to compel us. This, again, this goes back to that forced… you have to not only, say what we want, but in other words, you are… we're forcing you to have to take our side.

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Erica Sandberg: Again, this goes back to the whole no kings thing, right? We don't want a dictatorship. We don't want a monarchy. We, despite the crown, we don't want

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Erica Sandberg: And one person, or one small group.

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Erica Sandberg: of people who are leaders to say… to dictate, this is what you say. This is how you say it, this is how you need to vote, this is what you need to be, obsessed with, and what should be important to you. That is absolute nonsense, disgusting, it needs to stop.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, it does.

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Erica Sandberg: Follow their own… their own morals.

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Richie Greenberg: Rumbeat.

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Erica Sandberg: Yes, absolutely. What's important to them, their families, their industry, their… their culture.

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Richie Greenberg: This, this is… yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: They're being funneled into this, into this narrow, narrow…

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Erica Sandberg: Little hole of, you must come out, and you must.

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Erica Sandberg: You must put your name, put your name on this piece of paper that says you don't agree with all of this. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. It doesn't matter. That's your life, your personal opinion.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, and you're right, we're seeing that left and right. Plus, there's also this whole censorship, too, that…

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Richie Greenberg: That is just continuing to grow, and but it repeats, though. It's like history is repeating itself almost every… every 6 months, every year, there's whatever's the newest outrage.

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Erica Sandberg: Exactly. We saw this. We saw this whole silence is violence thing.

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Erica Sandberg: Nonsense.

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Erica Sandberg: We… we watched it happen, and then it bubbled over, and it burst over, and it destroyed a lot of people's repu… their reputation, their livelihood. We cannot let that happen again. I'm not going to let it happen again. And the good news is that the people who are trying this, it's not… it's kind of falling flat.

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Erica Sandberg: Good. I'm happy about. Yes, there is some online buzz, but I'm not seeing it in general open discourse in the real world, which is great. I'm not seeing the signs on people's houses, like, you know, thou must make a statement about.

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Richie Greenberg: Whatever, just insert the blank, just insert whatever you want, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: So that's really good, but it does make me nervous when I see a little bit of shakiness about this. Gosh, you know, maybe I should say something, maybe I should, you know, no! Do you… follow yourself.

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Richie Greenberg: Now, one of the bad… one of the really bad examples… no, actually, a good example of a bad situation was back, a few years ago, late 2023, early 2024, when we had the, Hamas, the terrible atrocity where they.

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Richie Greenberg: attacked Israel, came in, went to the kibbutz, and kidnapped, and all the horrors there, and the music festival.

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Richie Greenberg: Is within… within 6 weeks of that.

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Richie Greenberg: here in City Hall in San Francisco, led by a supposed, I'm using in air quotes, Jewish member of the Board of Supervisors, Dean Preston, he…

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Richie Greenberg: put through a resolution, a proposal for a resolution, saying that this is basically blaming the Israelis, blaming And…

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Richie Greenberg: you know, they paraded, one after another, these really hate-filled individuals and activists, and people in kafiyahs, and women that were screaming, and if you remember, there's that, that, that doctor, the MD from UCSF, Rupa.

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Erica Sandberg: Yes, ma'.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, my ripple came in just, like.

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Richie Greenberg: like, just bad… bad crap, I shouldn't say the yes word, we don't want to be censored, right? But bad crap

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Richie Greenberg: Crazy!

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Richie Greenberg: rabid people that were just screaming at the top of their lungs. It's all on video, I caught it, you saw it. And this is the extreme example of compelled speech, where you have the civic elected official

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Richie Greenberg: who is now compelling his colleagues and everyone else in City Hall, and wherever that could spread to, in business, in life, in the city, to take that side and condemning…

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Richie Greenberg: the, you know, innocent Jews for what happened. Now, that's one example, but it's an extreme example, and that's we do not want that. It's not that we don't need it, we don't want it. It should not happen.

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Erica Sandberg: It's very cowardly. It's very cowardly to kind of turn over and say, well, you know, I'm…

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Erica Sandberg: I'm going to take this position, even though I don't agree with it, but this is best for me. And it's also hypocritical. This is something that we also need to address, which is here in our beloved city, we genuinely do have

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Erica Sandberg: devastating problems. We have people dying on their streets, suffering on our streets, community… entire areas of our city are falling apart. They're in really, really bad shape, despite what the PR campaign that Mayor Lurie wants to throw out.

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Richie Greenberg: In a sense, that's, in a sense, that's compelled speech, because he's getting… he's paying the best PR firm out there, people, hundreds of thousands of dollars. He's rich, so he's just paying it out of his pocket, not through the city.

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Richie Greenberg: to buy the best publicity, and he goes on social media and says, oh, everything's great, and…

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Richie Greenberg: And, yeah, there clearly is a change for the better, but to compel everyone to have to say, we're on the rise, and that we're back, I'm like, that's trying to compel and squash our speech.

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Erica Sandberg: That's so funny, because I don't actually see it that way, I… I… kind of just sort of observing from afar, going, oh, this is interesting, you know? So, okay, this is what he's saying, and… you know, the whole, like.

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Richie Greenberg: But people are repeating. I'm meeting people.

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Erica Sandberg: To, to dispute those claims.

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Erica Sandberg: Okay, but what I'm saying here, Rich, those that you agree, I'm pretty sure you agree with this, is focus, people.

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Richie Greenberg: You're gonna be making these grandiose.

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Erica Sandberg: statements about something that's far away, does not touch your life, doesn't touch the life of San Franciscans, and I'm talking about our so-called leaders.

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Erica Sandberg: And people in the tech community, when we've got genuine, hardcore.

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Erica Sandberg: I… what's the… what's a stronger word for problem? I mean, devastating issues happening on our streets, day and night. Where is the passion for that? Where is it? How can you ignore? How can you ignore that, and not make a statement about that, and not get people really rallied up, and…

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Erica Sandberg: passionate and stand on City Hall

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Erica Sandberg: say, I'm not gonna move until… until this is… until this is fixed.

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Richie Greenberg: because they don't want it to be fixed. I mean, that's a whole other issue.

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Erica Sandberg: easier to say, okay, not… right. It is a cheat, it is, it's really… it's weak and cowardly. You're not facing your own problems, you're not dealing with your own problems, which is ours, right? And you…

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Erica Sandberg: turn the direction, and you turn it to another part of the country that doesn't have anything to do with San Francisco. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't have an opinion. They are what you are.

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Erica Sandberg: But as, as officials, that we pay.

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Erica Sandberg: We have a very straight line here, which is.

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Richie Greenberg: Right.

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Erica Sandberg: They're all to our communities. So…

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Erica Sandberg: Do that on your own time. Nothing to do with it. Absolutely. And the same thing with… with any sort of… anybody in the tech community who is bombarding those who dare not make a statement.

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Erica Sandberg: dared not to, right? With, where have you been? You've made… you've discussed restaurants and coyotes and mountain lions and whatnot, but you haven't talked about this. Who the F cares? Who the hell cares? Nothing, nothing to do with you or anybody else.

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Erica Sandberg: People who do that are straight-up bullies, and…

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Richie Greenberg: Bully is great word.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah. Now, Eric, can you tell us how you're really… how you really feel about this?

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Richie Greenberg: God!

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, I know. But, you know… Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: The thing is, though, what is so strange, or it's calculated, of course, is why is there all of this problem in Minneapolis to begin with? Because the fraud with the Somali community has been exposed. There's these,

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Richie Greenberg: you know, the actions against the governor and the mayor, right? To indict them, bring them in, and discuss and testify under oath.

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Richie Greenberg: about all that billions of dollars of fraud, and then suddenly this happens, and no one's talking about the fraud over there, no one's talking about the Somalis that are…

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Richie Greenberg: you know, the horrendous fraud against the taxpayers, local, state, and us, federal, because some of that federal money is being funneled over there. No one's talking about that at all, so they're covering it up. Yes, it was a tragedy, yes, someone got shot and killed.

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Richie Greenberg: That's the circumstances that are still under investigation right now, but you have all of these activists and paid

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Richie Greenberg: People, paid organizations, paid organizers.

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Richie Greenberg: that are doing this to distract the people from what was the initial reason to begin with, which was the Somali fraud. And we also see that this is now going to move into California, where we've got

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Richie Greenberg: basically, you know, 10 times, 20 times the amount of fraud that has happened here in the state in California. I'm wondering what's going to happen here, what incidents are they going to be looking for here, the activists, to then do a similar kind of blow-up

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Richie Greenberg: to cover up and to distract, because even the federal investigators and those in Minneapolis and in Minnesota, all of a sudden, you don't hear anything about what they're finding. That has just been, like, out of the news cycle.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, definitely, it's a smokescreen, and I do, I do, I…

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Erica Sandberg: I'm not much of a protester myself, it's not… I did back in the day.

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Erica Sandberg: Definitely went out there in my college years. But I support people getting out there and holding up signs and yelling and doing what they need to do. It's an important part of American life.

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Erica Sandberg: 100% support that. But yes, it has been whipped up into a frenzy, and a lot of it has to do with

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Erica Sandberg: trying to take your eye off of the problem that prompted this, which is immense fraud. And something very important to consider, too, and I know that you agree with this, hopefully everyone else does, too, is that when you have fraud of that magnitude, we're talking many billions of dollars in Minnesota, but also in California and elsewhere, who does it rob?

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Erica Sandberg: It robs people of services. It robs.

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Richie Greenberg: It robs… it robs us. It robs the… yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: But usually it robs people who are… who can least afford to be robbed, right? Essential services. They then go unfunded. They go unassisted. And so…

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Erica Sandberg: It's important.

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Richie Greenberg: We can… and we've said this multiple times over our friendship and our reporting and journalism and opinioning.

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Richie Greenberg: You can have more than one True.

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Richie Greenberg: Thing at the same time.

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Richie Greenberg: Right? So at the same time, Somalis, those groups who were doing it, those individuals and their co-conspirators in Minneapolis, in Minnesota, or elsewhere, I think they were finding it also in Ohio, but they were doing a massive fraud.

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Erica Sandberg: move my crown, it is getting.

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Richie Greenberg: Oh, oh, okay. You're letting your hair down.

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Richie Greenberg: So, the fraud…

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Richie Greenberg: is… has happened, it has been exposed, it's being further investigated. That's one fact, that's one reality, the fraud… fraud.

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Richie Greenberg: Second fact is that, Sort of as a result.

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Richie Greenberg: The federal government has surged resources, feds and others, to investigate and go in, including various agencies of immigration and Border Protection group agencies have gone in. That's the second reality.

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Richie Greenberg: And the third one is there's a lot of people who don't want the second one. They didn't want the immigration enforcement

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Richie Greenberg: which then is related to the fraud from the Somali people, so you have 3 at once. And so one does not cancel the other.

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Richie Greenberg: One does not make the other not be there or not happen. And that's the reality as well. You have to understand there's multiple things that are all existing at the same time.

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Erica Sandberg: Sure. Yeah. And you can have many thoughts and many passions and things that trouble you all at the same time. No one says that you can't. But I think it's definitely wrong. Ultimately, what the issue is, it's really wrong to tell people what they should and shouldn't be upset about.

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Richie Greenberg: And…

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Erica Sandberg: I gotta say this, I mean, this is something, and this comes up in my own family, my own personal life, is I hear people who I adore say, well, aren't you upset about this? And I'm looking at them, and then I say, aren't you upset about this?

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Richie Greenberg: Well, yeah, and the thing is, like I said, there's those three things that are happening all concurrently at the same time, and in a sense, in the same place, right? In the same city, same state.

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Richie Greenberg: When someone says to you, aren't you upset about it, I would say, well, which part? One, two, or three? Which one of those concurrent things are you upset about? And we see, again, compelled speech. What's the simplest slogan that's out there now is to abolish ICE.

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Erica Sandberg: Right.

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Richie Greenberg: Well, why do you want to abolish ICE? ICE is immigration and Customs, right? That's the two. So, you want to abolish them, or are you just being, you know, are you just making up that… which part? You don't want to have borders, you don't want to have…

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Richie Greenberg: Customs Enforcement?

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Erica Sandberg: There is no difference between the abolish ICE than to defund the police. It's the same thing. It is the same thing. We've heard it before. We've heard it before. It's redundant.

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Erica Sandberg: topic.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, just insert something else, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: For some people, that is going to be something that they genuinely want. Go for it. Want that. I have… I couldn't care less. You want to want that? Great. Want it. I don't think it's going to happen, but want it all you want. And, but don't try to get other people… don't bully other people into having that same…

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, and we see now even celebrities around the country are all joining a board. We're still the same, that same BS, the people, you know, Trump is in office, so I'm leaving the country.

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Richie Greenberg: We know that that doesn't work out too well for the average person. You can't just leave the country, and where are you gonna go? You have to have a visa to go into the other country if they'll let you in.

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Richie Greenberg: And life is just not as free as what we have here.

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Erica Sandberg: This is something I think is really important. Here we are in San Francisco, and people do have… each one of us is an individual. We have our individual desires and furies and whatnot.

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Erica Sandberg: I think, just, if we can all just stop, and hold our breath for a moment, and just let people have those passions, that's great. I know somebody who…

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Erica Sandberg: He started Refuse Refuse. He's all about garbage. This is what he loves. This is what he does. He's passionate about it. I cannot expect that founder to be passionate about AI. Maybe he is, I don't know.

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Richie Greenberg: Or about baking, like they open a bakery or something, right? Right. Passionate about whatever.

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Erica Sandberg: We all are going to have our unique

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Erica Sandberg: passions, and what drives us, and our… that moral compass is what we have. Each one of us has our own. It's different.

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Richie Greenberg: You and I are passionate about San Francisco and politics.

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Erica Sandberg: Exactly. No, do I think that everybody should be? Well, maybe, but… but I don't…

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Erica Sandberg: I think it's inherently interesting.

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Erica Sandberg: and fun, and certainly it often is. But some people are just not gonna care, and that's okay. We talk about other things, too.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: So, so, at, at that…

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Erica Sandberg: Richie, what's really important here is we're seeing that compelled

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Erica Sandberg: speech and activism that I don't think is going to…

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Erica Sandberg: have as much of a hook as it did before, which is great. But we're still seeing it. I'm still seeing the pressure. Put on. Put on, people. And, I would say, for everybody who hasn't observed it yet, watch for it. Just watch for it.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep, and look for keywords, and yeah. Alright, so based on that, I think that we should wrap up today's discussion, so that way we're not, looked at as being… trying to compel other people's speech too much, but…

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Richie Greenberg: Just… yeah, just resist. See, I like that word, resist. Resist goes two ways, right? From both sides.

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Erica Sandberg: It does, and it's really easy to say… to jump on that bandwagon and… and…

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Richie Greenberg: be in the majority, what you think may be the majority, right? That's a very easy thing to make those statements.

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Erica Sandberg: a letter and to do all that. It's a lot harder to be that person who goes, you know what, this is just not for me, don't know enough about it. I have other issues… I've got other things on my mind.

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Richie Greenberg: So… Parties to go to.

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Richie Greenberg: That's right. Okay. Money to make!

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Erica Sandberg: Hey, on that note, listen, San Francisco, it's a hotbed, it is… it is a fun place to be.

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Erica Sandberg: It can be a high-pressure environment, so pay attention to what's going on. Really, San Francisco.

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Richie Greenberg: Really?

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Erica Sandberg: Philly.

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Richie Greenberg: Thanks a lot, Erica.

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Erica Sandberg: Pleasure.

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Richie Greenberg: Alright.

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Erica Sandberg: and enjoy.

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Richie Greenberg: Everybody take care. Thanks.