Pelosi's Successor: Wiener, Chan, Chakrabarti and Hurabiell

Richie and Erica discus the views of the current 3 top contenders for CA D-11 House of Representatives (San Francisco) race this year, and the surprise entry of Marie Hurabiell yesterday. A comparison between Scott Wiener, Connie Chan, Saikat Chakrabarti and Marie Hurabiell is given. 

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Really? San Francisco Podcast

S3 E7

The 4 candidates for House of Representatives 

San Francisco

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Erica Sandberg: Hello, everyone! Welcome to Really San Francisco, the podcast about what is really going on in our city, a little bit beyond sometimes. I'm here with my wonderful co-host, Richie Greenberg, and today we've got an interesting topic. We have a, a real,

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Erica Sandberg: a new cast member to the real candidates for…

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Richie Greenberg: The real candidates of San Francisco.

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Erica Sandberg: Love it.

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Richie Greenberg: R-C-O-S-F, Real Candidates of San Francisco. Hey, you know what, maybe we should… we should… that's great, we should use that.

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Erica Sandberg: drama go!

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Richie Greenberg: There we go. So, if I can jump in for a second, it's very interesting to see.

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Erica Sandberg: How.

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Richie Greenberg: You know, in the scheme of things across the nation, San Francisco itself, in terms of population, is not a very big city, population-wise, but it has a very…

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Richie Greenberg: very unusually large effect on politics across America.

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Richie Greenberg: And, it's not a big city geographically either. We're 7… 7 miles wide, 7 miles north-south, it's a small city.

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Richie Greenberg: But it's a center, like a manufacturing center of progressive left-wing politics. And, you know, I don't want to get into the weeds with each individual politician that has made it onto the national stage.

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Richie Greenberg: But, we have an important election coming up this year, 2026.

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Richie Greenberg: This is February, so by June, we're having our… a primary, a primary of a few different, positions and different offices, and specifically what you and I are talking about today.

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Richie Greenberg: is the House of Representatives, California District 11,

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Richie Greenberg: San Francisco, and a little tiny sliver of the county just south of us, and this is House of Representatives to replace, or succeed, I should say, Nancy Pelosi, who was retiring, right?

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Erica Sandberg: Yes, yes, absolutely. So we're having the new guard. So whoever's going to be taking over from where Nancy has been… gosh, how long… how long has she.

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Richie Greenberg: Decades, decades.

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Richie Greenberg: 35, 37 years, something like that.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, whatever you're feeling.

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Richie Greenberg: A long time.

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Richie Greenberg: A long time.

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Erica Sandberg: She's a fighter, she's been here for a long time.

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Richie Greenberg: I watched her age.

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Erica Sandberg: She's definitely… and she's definitely part of the fabric of our society here, and so it'll be really interesting to see who does… who does take over. And the race just got very, very interesting.

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Richie Greenberg: We had 3… 3 prominent…

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Richie Greenberg: Known candidates who have been already on the circuit of debates and candidate forums and interviews.

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Richie Greenberg: 3 of them, even though I think there's 8 or 9 candidates in total, but the others have just not even really launched. I mean, they're there, they file the paperwork, but there's so much more to a campaign than just filling out a form and saying, I intend to run.

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Erica Sandberg: Right, right. So these are the primary, primary candidates.

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Richie Greenberg: Who are the ones who were raising money? Who are the ones who were raising funds?

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Erica Sandberg: in the late.

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Richie Greenberg: So, so who are those three?

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, let's go through. So, we have… let's… here, I'll do one, you do the other, we can kind of work that way. Let's start with, our local favorite, Connie Chan. Connie Chan is a supervisor, gosh, what is.

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Richie Greenberg: City Council, yep.

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Erica Sandberg: Yes.

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Richie Greenberg: For those who don't understand what that means, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, I mean, Connie is very, very progressive. They're all progressive. They're all… each one of these candidates defines themselves as a progressive. What is a progressive?

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Richie Greenberg: Left wing.

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Erica Sandberg: It's left. I mean, and I did get a lot of flack online this, this morning, or…

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Richie Greenberg: You know?

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Erica Sandberg: at some point recently, when I… when I defined Scott Weiner, who's also running as progressive, and I'm like, he calls himself a progressive! It's not me, it's him!

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Richie Greenberg: What, did someone push back and say he's not progressive, he's moderate? They said that he's not… he's not left-wing. Well, that is what progressive is. You know, I've done an analysis of him and Mondani, New York's Mondani, side by side, and they're very, very similar.

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Erica Sandberg: They actually are.

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Erica Sandberg: I don't care. A rose by any other name. It's a rose.

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Richie Greenberg: has thorns.

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Erica Sandberg: It is… yeah, it is. So, you know, there's no… why quibble? The fact is, yes, they are… they are very much on the left.

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Richie Greenberg: these candidates. So Connie Chan.

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Erica Sandberg: definitely on the progressive left here in San Francisco. Totally. Totally. And she has very strong ties to the more, kind of the radical branch of left-wing

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Erica Sandberg: politics here in the city. So that's one. She's running. She's, I believe… has she been… I think she was…

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Erica Sandberg: pinpointed by Nancy Pelosi herself, saying, this is who I would like to have seceding.

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Richie Greenberg: Yes, there is no official, there is no official,

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Richie Greenberg: endorsement by Pelosi for Connie Chan yet, or if it will, I don't know. But they have been working closely, they've been working together over the last couple of years. Connie Chan is the supervisor

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Richie Greenberg: City Councilperson from District 1, which is my district, this is where our studio is in District 1, that's the northwest part of the city. She ran for supervisor and won a few years ago, then she just ran for re-election.

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Richie Greenberg: in November 2024, and won again. So she's gonna be terming out in a few years, but still, she would just vacate if she won. She… one of the things that… of her policies, I mean, there's many different things that we can go through, but

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Richie Greenberg: The thing that she is currently championing in, besides the.

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Erica Sandberg: Easy feet.

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Richie Greenberg: FCK ICE, right, to defund ICE and shut down all of that, is she wants to tax the rich. She's into this, not only a local San Francisco pending ballot measure.

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Richie Greenberg: to, punish punitive tax on the most successful CEOs of the most successful companies that are running here in San Francisco. But she says that she could see that going either statewide.

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Richie Greenberg: or national, and it seems as if what she's trying to say is, if she's elected, that she would push, as a member of the House, to push for a punitive tax on the wealthy.

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Erica Sandberg: That's correct. How… how more left-wing…

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Richie Greenberg: can you get? I mean, besides other issues.

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Erica Sandberg: And her… aside from that, her flavor is less yimbyism, more affordable housing.

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Erica Sandberg: I wouldn't even call it NIMBY, which, you know, not in my backyard. It's… she does want, this is what she has pushed for, is, affordable housing, aka the projects, social housing. So, very different approach, than… than Scott Weiner.

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Erica Sandberg: But still, okay, that… I would say that that is her special sauce when it comes to the difference between the two other progressive candidates.

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Richie Greenberg: Now, also, just looking really quickly at a printout that I compiled about Connie, yes, about affordable housing, she is concerned about the high cost of housing, which I think everyone is. The affordability, I don't think that that is an issue of its left or right, Republican, Democrat, we all are concerned about that.

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Richie Greenberg: So, specifically about affordability, it's just how do you deal with that? That's what makes them different.

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Erica Sandberg: Right.

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Richie Greenberg: for immigrants, immigrant rights, she's very anti-ICE, she is, wants to protect the immigrant community, and she doesn't talk about legal versus illegal immigrants, she just lumps them all together.

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Erica Sandberg: Got it.

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Richie Greenberg: And, yeah, she's very anti-Trump, or at least she seems to be extremely anti-Trump, anti-Republican.

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Richie Greenberg: And she accuses Israel of a genocide in Gaza. She supports cutting funds to Israel. She also, she says that she's very community-focused, emphasizes local strategies, but trying to figure out…

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Richie Greenberg: how her, as a elected member of our Board of Supervisors, of the City Council, how can she now translate that success nationally? So that's where she's coming from. And if you have seen any and watched any of her candidate forum participation against the other two prominent candidates.

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Richie Greenberg: This is what she keeps saying over and over again. She brings it back to, she is working locally, her experience on being on the Finance and Budget Committee here in San Francisco, that would help her understand what

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Richie Greenberg: she could do, how she could be involved, you know, those issues in national politics. Right. That is Connie.

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Erica Sandberg: There you go. So let's move on. Let's focus now on Scott Weiner.

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Richie Greenberg: I believe he's the frontrunner. Yes, he is.

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Erica Sandberg: He's got the most, cash behind him, the most prominent support behind him. He is an out-and-out YIMBY. He wants to build. He is much more concerned, or not concerned, but focused on housing.

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Erica Sandberg: In his own way. But he is also very much of a progressive. He really got himself into some hot water regarding the Upper Great Highway debacle, and he was a strong, strong supporter of closing the highway, and then the person he was backing

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Erica Sandberg: the supervisor was recalled, Joel Languardio, and the whole thing became a quagmire. Just kind of a mess.

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Richie Greenberg: And his foot… and he had his… not only his whole foot in that, but his whole leg was in him entirely. Yeah, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: And it really created some bad blood.

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Erica Sandberg: and a lot of… just a lack of trust in the local community for him, because people really started to take a look at him and think, well, what is this guy in it for? What is his… what's his purpose?

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Erica Sandberg: Scott has some very troubled history when it comes to various topics that I think are going to hurt him tremendously. I don't think that people appreciate his…

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Erica Sandberg: I don't know how else you want to say it, but rather radical stance about

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Erica Sandberg: sexuality, about, issues. He was a big proponent for lowering the statutory age of… for consent for sex, for,

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Erica Sandberg: You know, what was it? It was, it was.

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Richie Greenberg: There's the age difference between the perpetrator and the younger one.

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Erica Sandberg: Right, so you could have a minor who's…

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Erica Sandberg: having sex with somebody who's not a minor, and then that wouldn't be statutory rape, and that's something… And also…

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Richie Greenberg: But also to avoid, legislation to avoid if that person or others were, were prosecuted, that they would not be on the sex offender registry.

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Erica Sandberg: Right. List.

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Richie Greenberg: That's another one.

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Erica Sandberg: a lot of people the wrong way. That is, that is something that has just kind of makes people go, ugh, not, not really big on… into that. The same thing, the,

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Erica Sandberg: There was a loitering, piece of legislation that he was… that he…

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Richie Greenberg: wrote. Wrote, yeah. Right.

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Erica Sandberg: And that also… that's about prostitution, and one thing that I… hey, former women's studies, my year here, I studied a lot of issues surrounding prostitution, and it's not a victimless crime. It's not… it's not something to be taken lightly. It is a really devastating

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Erica Sandberg: thing, experience. Sorry, I'm just not big into this whole.

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Richie Greenberg: Right. Yeah, and that bit of legislation about loitering, about, like, relaxing it, we're talking about now. So, in other words, any of these,

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Richie Greenberg: People that were walking the streets would not be prosecuted, or a different type of rule.

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Richie Greenberg: But that had an effect, because that was statewide, that's not San Francisco. You see, Connie Chan is in City Hall here in San Francisco. Scott Weiner currently is a state senator.

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Richie Greenberg: in Sacramento, and his legislation is statewide, so whatever he proposes and did and wrote a bill that became law.

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Richie Greenberg: That affects the whole state. So we're hearing stories out of Los Angeles that the loitering for sex, for prostitution has just exploded in LA, much worse than what we see here. See? So, there are…

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Erica Sandberg: I really liked… and I just want to jump in here about that. I'd like to kind of flip that around. It's… it's… prostitution is the act of selling yourself. The other act is purchasing another person for your…

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Richie Greenberg: sides.

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Erica Sandberg: So, I think that we focus way too much on the act of selling yourself, which most women do, and men do, due to support a drug habit, or they've been abused in their life, something terrible has happened. It's just really ugly, but the people who purchase them.

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Erica Sandberg: It's… it's an abusive situation to me, so I think that's…

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Erica Sandberg: I think that just rubs people the wrong way. I don't think that he gets a lot of support for that. Even the most libertarian of people kind of look at it very often and just go, ugh, not… I'm not into that. Regarding his own personal sexuality, it's irrelevant. Who cares? I don't care if he wants to get his freak on. It doesn't matter to me.

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Richie Greenberg: That's right. It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter, and whatever his obsession is on genitalia, that's his own problem, his own…

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Richie Greenberg: That's what he likes. But the thing is, outside of San Francisco, because, you know, who's voting for him, for any of these three or more, to succeed Pelosi? It's just us, it's just the San Francisco voters, it's not anywhere else in the state, anywhere else in the country at this point.

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Richie Greenberg: And, you know, I mean, I don't want to get in the weeds and off-topic here, but I think that,

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Richie Greenberg: If it came to a full statewide vote, he would have a lot of problems. Right now, he's only able to succeed and slowly move up the ladder, because he has… he's captured a lot of the attention of voters here in the city.

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Richie Greenberg: Who sort of agree with him.

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Erica Sandberg: So where do you… where does he stand on some key issues?

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Richie Greenberg: Well, like, similar to Connie Chan, he's really into pushing for social housing. Also, he wants to reform environmental laws for faster development, which means he wants to remove the barriers to housing development that a lot of it has to… the barriers are environmental review. He wants to reform that.

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Richie Greenberg: transit-oriented apartments, meaning build, build, build, right around transit centers. And, he wants to expand access to gender-affirming care, which is sex change operations.

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Richie Greenberg: He wants to, increase protections or affirm protections for LGBTQ seniors.

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Richie Greenberg: And he wants to, again, he's also against Trump as well.

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Erica Sandberg: What about the wealth tax?

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Richie Greenberg: A wealth tax, honestly, I don't know his position on that. I don't see him talking about that. I wonder if he's not for it. I don't know. But a lot of the things, his statements, he hasn't said anything about that, but we can always, you know, come back to that in a later podcast episode.

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Richie Greenberg: He is a staunch defender of LGBT rights, we know that, about immigrants, reproductive freedoms, again, against MAGA policies and Trump, and

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Richie Greenberg: That's… that's mostly, that's mostly him. Now, we know that famous episode that happened a couple of, weeks ago, was it? Where, he was asked if he thought that Israel was committing a genocide in Gaza. He

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Richie Greenberg: famously did not want to answer. He got booed, and a couple of days later, he came back with his own video that he posted online, saying that, yes, he does think that Israel was considering committing genocide, because the other two prominent

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Richie Greenberg: candidates already said that they believed that Israel was, so that shows him throwing the Jews under the bus, so… and he got a lot of flack for that.

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Erica Sandberg: And he's also Jewish.

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Richie Greenberg: And he's also Jew… and, you know, he uses that at times to then kind of hide behind, which is terrible. But anyway, so, anything else to add about Scott Wiener?

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Erica Sandberg: Right now, that's… that's it.

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Richie Greenberg: So far, he's raised $2.7 million in his race, and, then we… who do we have next? We have Saikat…

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Richie Greenberg: Chak… Chakra Bartique.

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Erica Sandberg: Chuck Court, yes.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, well, what do we know about him?

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Erica Sandberg: very, very, very, into the tax the rich.

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Richie Greenberg: punish the rich. Spread the… spread the poverty. Yeah, that's it. That's it.

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Erica Sandberg: I mean…

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Richie Greenberg: He was a former campaign staffer for AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. So, whatever it is that you've learned over the years about her, especially when she was first running in the Green New Deal, he had a direct connection to that.

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Erica Sandberg: Right. Direct connection, so…

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, he is the leftist of the leftists, he is a leftist leftist, and he… and as we've learned over the years, a lot of these really hardcore socialist, DSA-type leftists, they actually are wealthy, and they have made…

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Erica Sandberg: It's funny.

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Richie Greenberg: And he is… Yes. …in tech.

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Erica Sandberg: Yes.

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Richie Greenberg: So, he is… I think they call it a cent… a centra… a cent a millionaire, so that means he has over a net assets or something of over $100 million. So he's throwing his own money into this campaign. A lot of the $1.7…

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Richie Greenberg: A million that he has raised is his own money that he just lent to his campaign.

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Richie Greenberg: And there's hypocrisy right there, and we're seeing a lot of these…

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah. He's really leaning into very, very heavily the idea that the wealthy

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Erica Sandberg: people of… of San Francisco don't… and of California aren't paying their fair share. They're just not doing it, they're not… and that… and that if only we are able to

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Erica Sandberg: Take more money, redistribute it.

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Erica Sandberg: then there would be enough healthcare for everyone, and housing for everyone, and it's… it's a pretty hard line.

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Erica Sandberg: kind of thing. He's your guy.

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Richie Greenberg: He's your guy.

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Erica Sandberg: He's your guy. You like that? That's what you're.

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Richie Greenberg: So, of your… of those three.

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Richie Greenberg: whether or not realistically he could win or not, but of those three, if one is a staunch DSA member, and someone's really hardcore socialist left-wing, everyone should vote for him. Sure. Because that is what you would get, the leftist of the left.

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Richie Greenberg: I mean, they could just talk, talk, talk, and then you get in… Right. The thing is that the member of the House of Representatives is to basically join a club, and you're in chambers with 400 and something or other, 400-plus

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Richie Greenberg: Right? Then you might be a little bit more effective. And we know that Scott Weiner, for example, has written over 100 bills in Sacramento.

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Richie Greenberg: And, Connie Chan, here in City Hall, she has written or participated in legislation.

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Richie Greenberg: Psycot is not… he's not in government, so that is an issue if you want to look at it as being… he doesn't have the experience there. But just to really quickly run down Psycot, right?

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Richie Greenberg: He believes that Medicare for all, universal childcare, and pre-K as well, tuition-free public colleges, there should be a national housing plan to build millions of affordable homes, and to lower rent through social housing.

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Richie Greenberg: He has economic reform policies, Mission for America, Comprehensive federal industrial policy for clean energy transition, that's the Green New Deal.

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Richie Greenberg: He is, also one who is, labels, the genocide in Gaza, and, he wants to ban, stock trading, which actually, that is popular now, regardless of what, Republicans or Democrats, to ban, congressional stock trading.

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Richie Greenberg: overturned Citizen United. Citizens United, I believe, is the, the law that allows,

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Richie Greenberg: That's interesting. And no… and he also will accept no corporate PAC money. He focuses on inequity… inequality, sorry. And, that's… that's him. So that's him. Right. So, so, the big news, though, we've gone through the three prominent, current prominent.

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Richie Greenberg: So what happened, what happened?

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Erica Sandberg: Yes.

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Richie Greenberg: What happened yesterday, Erica?

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Erica Sandberg: Okay, so… but before I get to what happened yesterday.

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Erica Sandberg: the three candidates who we have, I think a lot of people are trying to figure out, well, what's the difference? For a lot of San Franciscans, we're going to be voting, right, in the primary, in June.

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Erica Sandberg: we…

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Erica Sandberg: a lot of people were thinking, well, I'm just not enthusiastic about any of these people, they just seem like the same thing. They're the tired, old.

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Erica Sandberg: agenda. And again, if you like that, then you have 3 choices from which to choose, and then you choose your flavor from them. However.

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Erica Sandberg: it didn't resonate with a lot of people, because it was just like, this again? Again? Who's… and so nobody… there was very little interest, and then in comes somebody entirely different. Marie Horbiel.

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Richie Greenberg: Marie, yep.

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Erica Sandberg: Now…

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Richie Greenberg: And that's what happened yesterday.

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Erica Sandberg: That happened yesterday. She announced, or she… it was found out that she had… she had pulled her papers for that.

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Erica Sandberg: And it was a big secret, it was a really well-kept secret, because I know Marie, I've known her for a long time, I've interviewed her extensively, I've been on her stage. We have a long, long history, so to… hey, she keeps… that woman can keep a secret, so that was…

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Richie Greenberg: So, yeah, so actually, I chatted with her, I texted her yesterday, and this morning, and she said to me that she did not expect that this

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Richie Greenberg: secret would have come out. And so, I mean, it's not much of a secret, they just filed the very most preliminary paperwork to run.

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Richie Greenberg: And sleuths and reporters are just constantly scouring anything for any bit of information about anyone. And then that came up, and then they pushed it out there, and it became

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Richie Greenberg: a news story, like, breaking news yesterday morning. Yes. It went out, I believe it was the, the New York Post, California Post.

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Erica Sandberg: I want people… right, so I want people to imagine a grid like the old Sesame Street, and you have… one of these things is not like the.

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Richie Greenberg: the other.

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Erica Sandberg: You've got a hamburger, you've got a hot dog, and then you've got a sandwich, and then there's a tractor.

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Erica Sandberg: what's different? And Marie's the tractor. Very, very, very different. She has a long and storied relationship to the city of San Francisco, five generations.

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Richie Greenberg: Five gen… fifth generation, yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: the other three primary, they're not… none of them are, are, natives of San Francisco? No. Yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: So, she's got real long, long legs here, for sure. She has, a…

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Erica Sandberg: background in the Republican Party. She was a Republican for a long time. She did switch over to the Democrats, but she's not a progressive. She would not define herself as a progressive. She is now, technically.

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Erica Sandberg: on paper, a Democrat. So, it's just really, really different. There's… that alone, you can just say, wow, okay, this person is going to not have the same agenda, the same ideas.

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Richie Greenberg: That's right. So, what, what, what do you know about her… Positions, her philosophy, her platform.

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Richie Greenberg: And what we have just reviewed about the other three, do you… because her website doesn't have much… No.

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Erica Sandberg: Not up yet. It's not really… it's there, but it's not really there. Okay, some things to know about Moraine.

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Erica Sandberg: She has been… Highly involved in community activism.

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Erica Sandberg: for a long time, for many, many years, many years. She is the CEO of Connected SF, which is a neighborhood group. Each district has its own, its own flavor, its own,

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Erica Sandberg: I'm D3. Yeah, I'm D1. Iconic D3.

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Erica Sandberg: and bringing people together, right? So she… she was able to have people lead their districts all under the umbrella of Connect with SF, so to lead their districts, get people together, and basically try to push

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Erica Sandberg: to act when they needed to act, whether it was a pothole, or graffiti, or a new store that was opening but needed chairs outside. So it was this sort of very positive, let's get everyone together, we'll mobilize, we'll be able to not just…

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Erica Sandberg: Work for our own district, but let's get together, and we'll network together, and we'll bring the city into one solid

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Erica Sandberg: cohesive force, in a really positive way.

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Richie Greenberg: Was that a cable car that just went by?

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Erica Sandberg: Well, yes.

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Richie Greenberg: I thought I heard a cable car.

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Erica Sandberg: And if we were doing this in the morning, you'd be able to hear the parrots go by. They go by every morning at 8 AM.

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Erica Sandberg: Like clockwork.

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Erica Sandberg: Yes. So, okay, that's a really big thing, is that Marie was highly…

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Erica Sandberg: active in that, and it was very successful. I happened to be one of the neighborhood heroes who did get elect… who was won an award.

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Richie Greenberg: You recognize the award winner, that's right.

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Erica Sandberg: it was just very, very nice. So, really big into community building and,

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Erica Sandberg: Kind of, it's like an old-school version of… What a politician does.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep, yep, that they'd get up on the soapbox and they would talk and motivate. Motivate the people, motivate the community.

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Erica Sandberg: On a ground level.

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Erica Sandberg: This isn't an ideological kind of fantasy, right? This isn't about… this isn't about…

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Richie Greenberg: actual getting stuff done.

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Erica Sandberg: them or anything.

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Erica Sandberg: That's right.

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Richie Greenberg: So that's Marie, yeah.

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Erica Sandberg: So, some key points, key, right, some very, very, you know, people might, might like, might dislike.

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Erica Sandberg: very tough on crime and law and order. Very, very strong in that. Always has been. I've known her for a long, long time. Works very closely with SFPD and the Sheriff's Office.

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Erica Sandberg: Very tight with that, trying to strengthen the community by way of law enforcement.

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Richie Greenberg: Law enforcement, accountability, and yeah, yep.

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Erica Sandberg: Right. So that's a really big thing. So if you don't like that, she's already… not for you.

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Erica Sandberg: The, let's see, what else? Big into education,

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Erica Sandberg: how that works. She seems to be a little bit more libertarian with that, in terms of, let's just let the market do what the market does, and open it up, so… so that it… there's a free flow of… of…

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Richie Greenberg: Building. So would that mean that, that she would be potentially, also like Scott Weiner, right? I don't wanna… I don't wanna, compare all of it, but… but he wants to remove the barriers to building housing.

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Erica Sandberg: It's different, though. It's different, though, because…

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Richie Greenberg: You and I, we've talked about housing, we've talked about how responsible building in the right places and.

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Richie Greenberg: Now, of course, we're talking now about nationwide. So, because that's what she would be doing, as a member of Congress, she would be working on federal legislation, not on city and county. That's right, that's right. But if you… but if you look at it in terms of the approach.

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Erica Sandberg: Right? I would say Marie's approach does come from an appreciation for neighborhoods, for history, for single-family dwellers.

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Erica Sandberg: for, families, right? Right. Whereas Scott's would be more, I hate to say it, more on the developer side, you know, he really… and it is more ideological. It is…

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Erica Sandberg: Density. Density. Transit.

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Richie Greenberg: And that's been the, a lot of the argument, too, is like, you know, they use that metaphor to bulldoze neighborhoods, level them, and start from scratch, putting up 30, 40, 50-story apartment buildings in the most dense, concentrated way that you can.

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Erica Sandberg: Right, exactly.

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Richie Greenberg: And that's how he's been labeled.

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Richie Greenberg: Peter has now been labeled to be one that goes along with that ideology.

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Erica Sandberg: And that's a really big criticism against him from a lot of people, which is, you know, you kind of get this sense where people go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? Yeah. Right? What are you doing here? Right? You want to… you want to…

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Erica Sandberg: completely alter our way of life. You want to, right? For what? For who? You know, what… like, where's this coming from? So an approach… again, I'm a little bit biased. I'm gonna say this…

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Erica Sandberg: out loud right now. I've known her, she's a friend of mine, so I only have… the only people who I consider friends are people who I actually like, so I do like her. We're not gonna agree on everything, but the point is, is that the approach to housing for her would be more from the…

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Erica Sandberg: hey, we need to stop and think about this. Not to block. Not to block, but to think. It should be…

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Erica Sandberg: mindful. So, okay, we'll stop there. Now, a biggie, big, big, big, B-I-G.

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Richie Greenberg: Little letters, yes.

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Erica Sandberg: It's the whole gender thing that's happening.

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Erica Sandberg: Right? Yeah. So the trans issue, has really bubbled up into a hot mess.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah. And…

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Erica Sandberg: She has been quite open about protecting women's sports, girls and women's sports, girls and women's prisons.

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Erica Sandberg: spaces that are dedicated for women and girls, and it's been open about that. And that takes really… that takes a lot of strength, a lot of boldness, especially when it was done a long time ago. Now things are changing. Now people are saying, oh, yeah, maybe it's not such a good idea.

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Richie Greenberg: I see that you'.

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Richie Greenberg: The wave, right? And then the acceptance, and then now, wait a minute, let's revisit that.

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Erica Sandberg: But this was… this was years ago that she was open about it, you know? Didn't try and hide, didn't… didn't…

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Erica Sandberg: Right. Didn't pretend one thing when she felt it. She was quite clear about it. This doesn't make sense. I don't like it.

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Erica Sandberg: And, you know, here she is now in a position where she's running for office. So if that's something that appeals to you, you like that, you like somebody who's going to be fighting for female-only spaces.

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Erica Sandberg: in, you know, in places like prisons and on sports teams and that type of thing, there you go. Because the other three.

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Erica Sandberg: They're not… but it's not gonna be… Especially the Scoutina.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep, yep, Mary.

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Richie Greenberg: So that's a biggie. That is a really… it is a biggie. Regarding immigration…

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Erica Sandberg: Definitely on the more conservative side. Definitely, compared to the other three. I mean.

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Erica Sandberg: Big, big chasm! Big ocean between, between all three.

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Richie Greenberg: Now, so, you know, there are people who would say, well, you know, then she's actually a Republican, but that's not entirely true. There is a faction of the Democratic Party that's been around for a while called the Blue Dog Democrats, okay? Look it up if you've never heard that. Blue Dog Democrats are…

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Richie Greenberg: Democrats who are conservative. Conservative Democrats. They're there, they are in certain sections and regions of America, and she would fit right in, most likely, with the views and the ideology of the Blue Dog Democrats.

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Erica Sandberg: She's a classic moderate when it comes to something like that. It fits very squarely in the middle.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep, yeah, yeah, I agree. Right. I agree.

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Erica Sandberg: So, I mean, those are the biggies, I would say, but you can really see a major…

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Erica Sandberg: difference between the first three and then Marie. The new cast member… the new cast member comes in and, you know, no one knows who she's gonna sit next to at the table, if she's gonna throw a glass of wine. You don't know.

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Richie Greenberg: Or hug. Or throw a hug.

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Erica Sandberg: Yeah, you don't know, but will there be screaming and shouting? Yes, there absolutely will be.

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Erica Sandberg: And it's a welcome change. You know, this is something that, even if you don't like politics, even if you're not invested, watch this, because you're going to see some fireworks, and it's going to get very interesting.

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Richie Greenberg: You know, before yesterday, before the breaking news that she's thrown her name in the hat.

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Richie Greenberg: There was a little bit of, like, despair.

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Richie Greenberg: talking to people around the city here, a bit of disbelief that we only have those three.

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Richie Greenberg: Scott Weiner, Connie Chan, and Saikai Chakabati to choose from, like, who do you choose? The less of the evils, but now we actually do have a choice. The city does have a choice on who to elect to succeed Nancy Pelosi.

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Erica Sandberg: That's right. If you want somebody who's completely different.

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Erica Sandberg: then you're certainly more apt to gravitate toward… toward Marie, if you want… if you… right. So… so really, it's a very, very interesting race, and…

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Richie Greenberg: Here we go! June is…

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Erica Sandberg: So what hap… can you tell everybody what happens in June, what actually you're going to be voting for?

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Richie Greenberg: candidates are not ranked choice voting. We have a primary in June, and then a finals in November. Right. So, right now, there are more than

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Richie Greenberg: candidates that are running for this particular office. I think there's 8, or I think she makes… Marie now makes the total up to 9. The top 2 vote-getters

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Richie Greenberg: in June, we'll then be on head-to-head in November.

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Richie Greenberg: So, it doesn't matter if they're Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, whatever, Independent, the top two, which means you could have two Democrats, a Republican and Democrat, two Republicans, doesn't matter. So, she will be in contention with all the others, so… Yes.

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Richie Greenberg: We'll see what happens then in June, and we'll have a lot more to report on between now and June to see if anyone else jumps into the race.

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Erica Sandberg: That's right. That's right. More cast members can be arriving soon.

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Richie Greenberg: And we know that this… we're putting up this podcast really quickly, within 24 hours of the announcement that Marie has joined the race. And we hope very soon, though, to follow up with an actual interview with Marie herself on this podcast. And I already… both of us, I think we've communicated with her, and she is willing to come on.

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Richie Greenberg: So that would be great for the listeners and viewers to hear directly from her.

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Erica Sandberg: For sure, definitely. So, keep your… your ears…

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Richie Greenberg: And I've…

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Erica Sandberg: And I… things are gonna be happening, and, enjoy. This is…

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Richie Greenberg: at least try to approach this with a sense of fun, because… Fun.

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Erica Sandberg: Right, here we go. Fun, openness, and choice. That's correct.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, Erica.

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Erica Sandberg: And I don't tell people who to vote for, you don't tell people.

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Richie Greenberg: No, no, no.

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Erica Sandberg: I've been open, Marie's a friend of mine, I'm not friends with the other three, so I'm going to have to bow out of doing any kind of reporting on this, because I won't be able to do it objectively. I won't. So here, all I can say now is I can give you what I have, but I…

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Erica Sandberg: I certainly will not be able to report objectively. Right, so that's called, you're recusing yourself. I am, I am indeed, I am. Okay.

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Richie Greenberg: Alright, cool. So, thanks everybody for listening and watching, another episode of Really San Francisco, and this was a special edition where we're announcing

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Richie Greenberg: the, candidacy of Marie Harabiel to represent San Francisco in the House of Representatives. So, look forward to chatting with you again, Erica, and, see everybody soon.

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Erica Sandberg: Bye-bye, everyone.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, bye bye.