S3 E14 Dirty Identity Games Voters and Candidates Play

Richie and Erica outline the over a dozen personality and motive characteristics influencing how and whom voters and candidates support. There's the carpetbaggers, the phonies, the ignorers, partisans, hypocrites, mercenaries, social media influencers, exporters, tribalists, activists, dreamers, spoilers, pollsters and more. Do you know anyone that fits any of these labels? Are there more types which we left out? Let us know! podcast@reallysfnews.com

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Really, San Francisco? Podcast

S3 E14

Richie Greenberg: Hey everybody, it's Richie Greenberg with another fun, exciting episode of Really San Francisco. I'm your host, Richie Greenberg, and I'm being joined by my lovely co-host, Erica Sandberg. How are you today, Erica?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I'm doing great, Richie. Welcome back from New Orleans!

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Richie Greenberg: Yes, if people don't know, I spent the last 2 weeks doing a little bit of sightseeing, but visiting family, and the French Quarter Fest, which was a lot of fun.

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Richie Greenberg: Doctor's still going on today, I missed the last day. But, yeah, I was in New Orleans, in Louisiana, in the South, and in celebration of that, I'm wearing my seersucker blazer.

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Richie Greenberg: Which is very durigor, very popular there with men down there in the South, and so it's very comfortable. I love wearing this. It's a lot of fun.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: He looks very dapper, I think. Thank you.

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Richie Greenberg: So, so much. I just came back from the gym. Yeah, yeah, I see that you're wearing your UC Davis, hat.

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Richie Greenberg: football, and but, you know, it's not so much how we look, it's what we present. It's the… it's the information, right? It's what listeners and viewers in San Francisco, the Bay Area, and all around the country, and even around the world, want to know what's happening.

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Richie Greenberg: Here in the city by the bay. And so, we have a very interesting topic, which I need to preface. Everything that we say is interesting.

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Richie Greenberg: To us. But… and we hope that other listeners also think it's interesting. So, we are going to be talking about, what? What is our topic, Erica?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Well, obviously, this is election season.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right? And everything's ramping up, people are getting all excited, and they're… they're… we just… topics of discussion are emerging, but also types of people.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: are emerging, and it is a very special episode today about what we call… I was calling the, Dirty Dozen…

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Richie Greenberg: Everybody does it.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The journey doesn't…

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Richie Greenberg: Like, these are, like, characteristics, or…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yes!

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Richie Greenberg: People that are all… Clamoring to be heard.

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Richie Greenberg: during the election cycle. Not just this election cycle, but we find it cropping up every couple of years, and everyone has an opinion, everyone wants to be heard, everyone believes that they're right.

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Richie Greenberg: And, and Erica, you came up with a list… Go ahead.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I did. I mean, I think it's not just every… the list is going through not just the people who want to run for office, but their supporters, voters, just voters in general.

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Richie Greenberg: Right, right.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Pipes that really start to come up, from the bottom.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And this is who we're going to be dealing with, and we are dealing with right now, but it's ramping up, so be on the lookout for these people, right, Richie?

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Richie Greenberg: That's right, we're holding the red flags, and we are going to be pinning the red flags on all of these types of people. Now, Erica, when we were discussing this topic to decide that this is something we want to talk about on a podcast.

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Richie Greenberg: we came up with what you call the Dirty Dozen, but the thing is, the Dirty Dozen kind of people characteristics, but it actually expanded, because we kept adding to it, so it's…

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Richie Greenberg: Initially, 30 dozen, but it's more. Alright, so you wanna… Right.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Let's run through this list. Let's go. Yeah, and definitely at the end, when we do share this, we want everyone to take a look at the list, tell me what… tell us what you think, and if we missed any, right? So that's gonna be…

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Richie Greenberg: Well, if we want to add to the list, did we miss anything? And…

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Richie Greenberg: You, you wanna, you wanna help out by, by…

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Richie Greenberg: by naming someone who you think is this, you know… so, I think that'll be a lot of fun

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Richie Greenberg: Who do you know that is this? Okay.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's right.

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Richie Greenberg: What's the first.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Number one, carpetbaggers. This has come up time and time again.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You laugh? I'm sorry.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: What about the dagger, Richie?

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Richie Greenberg: Coffee out my nose, sorry.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: What's a carpet bagger?

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Richie Greenberg: So, generally, a carpetbagger is someone from a different city, a different state. I don't know if it could even be a different country.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: different districts!

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Richie Greenberg: A different district, even, who has come into the area, into the district that they are trying to run for.

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Richie Greenberg: And then they impose their views, they impose their, their agenda, and try to make… they strong-arm their way in, and, they're really not reflecting what the local values really are.

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Richie Greenberg: I think that's the best way to put it.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Anybody come to mind as being an example right now, locally?

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, well, you know, we've brought this up over and over again, and we look at the, the race to replace, Nancy Pelosi, that's the, congressional race here in San Francisco. San Franciscans are the ones that are voting to replace… I'm sorry, not replace, succeed Nancy Pelosi.

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Richie Greenberg: And there are multiple candidates, the 4 prominent ones. Of the 4 prominent 3 we could consider carpetbaggers, which would be Scott Weiner, a carpetbagger from the East Coast.

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Richie Greenberg: Kanye Chang, carpetbagger, from Hong Kong, I believe is where she's from, although she's lived here for, I think, most of her life.

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Richie Greenberg: And definitely, that, that far left-wing Shoikat, he looks like psychot, but Shoikat Chakrabhati, he's from Texas. So those three, the fourth one, Marie Harabiel, is actually fourth or fifth generation San Franciscan, so she's the opposite of a carpet.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: cannot be defined as a carpet beggar, although it's… I would say, and this is… you and I may disagree, but I would say that Scott Weiner and Connie Chan are not

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Carpet backers, because I don't think they moved here specifically for that, but certainly Shrecot seems to have. Okay, number 2!

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The phonies and the fake.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You know, these are the kind of people who really, like, you start to see a lot of, they're just…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: pretending to be somebody who they're not. And that's typical in politics, right? You know, when you embellish

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yes, thank you.

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Richie Greenberg: Polish, maybe even, create a persona.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Creative persona.

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Richie Greenberg: create a persona that could be, like you said, embellishing what they really are, their capabilities. And then they wind up getting caught, right? So, like, we had that whole issue, and I'm sorry, I forgot his name, and people are gonna kick my butt.

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Richie Greenberg: There was that, I think it's House of Representatives guy that was over in New York.

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Richie Greenberg: who got elected, and then found out, well, he claimed he did this, and he actually didn't. And you do research afterwards, and the media just gets all over that, anyone like this. And then they often either get thrown out of Congress, or they resign, going down in flames.

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Richie Greenberg: for just completely falsifying, like, their degrees, what school they went to, what committees they served on, maybe even their name, all of this, completely BS. And, those are the phonies and fakes. Do you know of anyone here in the Bay Area or in San Francisco?

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Richie Greenberg: That we could, think of, well…

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Richie Greenberg: I mean, if someone claims to live…

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Richie Greenberg: In a particular district, when in fact they don't.

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Richie Greenberg: Is that a phony and fake?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, I would definitely say so. You're just being untruthful. You're not… you're not sticking to the letter of… of whatever… that truth law.

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Richie Greenberg: Right, so that.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Naturally.

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Richie Greenberg: It happened… I can think of two episodes. There was a Jew that happened back, I think, 15 years ago or so. He was, running, for office, and wound up using, like, a… not a fake address, but someone else's address, and wound up getting arrested, and I think he spent time in jail.

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Richie Greenberg: And then, unfortunately, Liana Louie, who more recently, she was running for…

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Richie Greenberg: Was it District 4 supervisor when she was actually District 7?

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Richie Greenberg: and wound up getting disqualified because of that. So, there's a phony and fake…

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Richie Greenberg: What's the next on your list?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Okay, so to me, the next one is more pertaining to supporters. These are ignorers and excusers, right? You know someone isn't so great, you know that they've had serious problems, but you like them for a specific reason, so what do you do? You choose to completely

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Block out all the…

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Richie Greenberg: Put on the blinders, put on the blinders.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: On the blinders, right, and go forth, and you're just not going to address the really terrible things that that person has done, or believes in, or you think is completely

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: antithetical to what the rest of the community wants, because you've got a purpose, right? That's the ignores. I'm gonna focus.

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Richie Greenberg: So, a supporter could be just, like, a voter in a particular

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Richie Greenberg: That's willing to host a meet and greet in their home for a candidate that is an awful person.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Absolutely. Or it could be…

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Richie Greenberg: even paid staff.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Sure.

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Richie Greenberg: Like a candidate has their staff, either volunteers or paid, and they're out there, they're just clapping, you know, my candidate is the best, he's the best, making up, all these, these…

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Richie Greenberg: reasons to want to support them are just total be… it's just ridiculous. They are just trying to ignore or make excuses for that individual.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Exactly, because that does transition into the excusers. Well, yes, they did do this. However.

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Richie Greenberg: but…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right? And you start layering the excuses on top of it as a way to…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: draw attention to a different area of that person who you happen to like, and yeah, so it's very closely related to the ignores, the excuses.

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Richie Greenberg: Could that be like saying, well, if there's a candidate running for office, then there's 10 different things that they have done, and 9 of them are really bad, but one is good, and it's… in other words, another word that we use for that is cherry picking.

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Richie Greenberg: Right? Right, you're cherry-picking, you're taking the good things, or the acceptable things that have been done, or a policy that they want that's good, and the rest suck.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, a great example of this right now would be someone like Scott Weiner, right? So, Scott Weiner doesn't necessarily fit into a lot of people's idea about,

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: you know, what a good politician might be for Congress, right? He is a little wacky when it comes to his ideas about sexual issues and this type of thing, but you're gonna ignore that because he's a human being.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, right, right, right. So that, that's, that's what it really comes down to, is the supporters. Or you could even say Marie! And I, you know, I was just admonished, but I, I keep messing up the pronunciation of her last name. Marie, her…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I always say one of her ideal, but everyone keeps saying I say it wrong. Whatever. So, Marie… and you could say for her, where, you know.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: people who are firm Democrats, are going to say, well, we do support Mary, and I'm just going to ignore the fact that she did used to be a Republican, so I'm just gonna ignore it. I'm going to excuse it. Now, fact is fact, she did. I think it should be… everything should be open, and part of the conversation…

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Richie Greenberg: And look at everything.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Good!

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Richie Greenberg: And if you want…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Everything!

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Richie Greenberg: If you want to judge, judge on the full spectrum of what the person

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Richie Greenberg: done, or their represent, or their experience, not just one. Yeah, that's a good example. I like that one.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yes. Okay, number 4! Ugh.

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Richie Greenberg: No.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The.

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Richie Greenberg: Die-hard partisans!

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Richie Greenberg: vote.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Blue no matter who!

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Richie Greenberg: You say, vote blue no matter who.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You know, red… better red, okay.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, yeah, better red.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: He's only…

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Richie Greenberg: Red Than Dead?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I think that's it.

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Richie Greenberg: Better Rather than dead. So, and you hear that, and I understand that. You have… as I said, I was in New Orleans, I was in Louisiana, and I went to a couple of different events, including some political events, fundraisers, and meet and greets for some candidates that are running down there.

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Richie Greenberg: And a lot of them stand up, you know, with the accent. I can't… I can't do a Southern accent, because it's Southern slash New Orleans, which is its own unique thing, but they're like, I'm a lifelong, you know, Democrat, you know, and the person's… they're, like, 75 years old, so they… they're… how many years have they been…

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Richie Greenberg: voting since 18, you know, they're 75. A long time. Decades. And that's… that… That has its purpose.

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Richie Greenberg: That has its, prestige, but I think that in… you and I, I think, Erica, we agree on this, that in today's just, like, hyper-explosive kind of political environment that we're in.

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Richie Greenberg: It's really hard to vote A specific political line across the board.

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Richie Greenberg: Because it, it, you know, I think you and I are both, like, we're issue voters. We vote for issues and for specific candidates and who they stand for. Which, in a sense.

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Richie Greenberg: would make it seem like a political party leadership, like the Democratic Party, the Republican Party slate, and they send out the recommendations for how you should vote in the next election.

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Richie Greenberg: I think it's becoming less and less relevant.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I do too, I do too, but you see… you still feel it.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: there was a situation just recently where there's somebody… well, somebody's running in Los Angeles to be mayor of LA. Spencer… Spencer…

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Richie Greenberg: surprise.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: rock. Yeah. He's really… starting to generate interest.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: a dear friend of mine, contacted me. No, no.

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Richie Greenberg: Oh.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Somebody else who I do know from that.

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Richie Greenberg: pause, I thought these…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I, I… he is so sensible, he is so lovely, he's… Smart, committed.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: understands the problems that are associated with LA. And I said, so, are you going to be voting for

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Spencer?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Prep.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: he said, I would never vote for a Republican.

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Richie Greenberg: There you go.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And I thought that was so telling to me, and that's why this made the list to me, is because you're… you're literally… just remove the label. I mean, I hate the… it does sound really cheesy, I think I actually had been critical of the whole don't label me kind of thing, but…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: just look at what they do, what they want to do. I mean, that's just, to me, I can't tell people what to do, but that drove me nuts. I'm like, I'm the person who is…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Completely aligned. Completely aligned with what you value, what you want.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: What you believe in.

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Richie Greenberg: Right?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: has those qualities, but no, no, no, no, no. He's got the RBI on his name, so I don't get that.

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Richie Greenberg: But they say, a candidate who has an R next to him, right, or her, they could have been someone who, previously had cured cancer.

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Richie Greenberg: Had solved wars, have won Nobel Prizes.

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Richie Greenberg: And yet you can't vote for the person because they're Republican.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I don't get it, I don't get it, it does not compute for me.

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Richie Greenberg: I'm gonna preface, not preface, I'm gonna make a little side note on this, but I wonder if they are saying that to you and to others publicly.

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Richie Greenberg: But privately.

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Richie Greenberg: when they actually fill out the ballot, they do vote for a Republican, or anyone, independent, someone who actually would make the best, most impactful, positive change. I wonder if they're really… because we hear about that happening, too.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Oh, for sure.

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Richie Greenberg: You know.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Okay, the…

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Richie Greenberg: Alright, what's next?

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Richie Greenberg: The…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: What number is it? Number 5.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Bye! Hypocrit!

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Richie Greenberg: advocates!

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It's just… I mean, you can't… you can't have politics without…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Without… Hypocrisy. Hypocrisy, and being disingenuine, and but you see a lot of it right now. A lot of hypocrisy.

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Richie Greenberg: So, a more common use for word would be, like, flip-floppers, too.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right.

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Richie Greenberg: The flip-floppers and the hypocrites, because they'll say one thing, and then before you know it, they've just changed their position.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah. Yeah, it's inconsistent. That's what it is, it's being inconsistent.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And it drives people who want consistency completely batty. Just stick to it, stick to it, and what's good for you has got to be good for the next person, to the next person, just be consistent, and you don't see a lot of that happening in election season.

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Richie Greenberg: Right, you don't. And, and, yeah, the wishy-washiness, and, that's another word, wishy-washy, so…

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Richie Greenberg: So, could that be only for candidates, or how about for…

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Richie Greenberg: voters for the public, because I see that happen also with just

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Richie Greenberg: people that I speak to on the street. One day, I meet someone, and they say, yes, I'm supporting

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Richie Greenberg: either this ballot measure, or I'm supporting this person, or I just think that we should be doing this versus that, and then I run into them a couple of weeks later. Oh, well, the candidate, he or she said something that I didn't like, so now I'm not supporting them.

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Richie Greenberg: Right. And that's what the chart.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Oh, definitely.

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Richie Greenberg: the other part.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: For sure, and I think one… an example of hypocrisy and inconsistency is something that we see on the streets of San Francisco every day, is you can focus on atrocities overseas.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Focus over there, right? And yes, they're happening. War is happening, and, you know, terrible things are happening, right? But you're not looking at what's happening on your own doorstep. That is hypocritical, that is not consistent. Do you care about human suffering, or do you not?

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Richie Greenberg: Right, and that also… that also would, like, the ignorers or excusers, right? That was, number 3 on the list. People are ignoring what's happening right here, right in front of your face, right? In certain neighborhoods right here in the city, and instead focusing, as you said, on some conflict.

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Richie Greenberg: Overseas, in the Middle East, for example. Like, but we have problems right here. What are you going to do about it right here? Not only the candidates, but the people, the voters as well, who are saying, oh, but there's this, there's this,

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, there's this, there's a famine, there's a bombing, there's all of that, and like, well, but what about the one or two or three…

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Richie Greenberg: Drug addicts a day.

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Richie Greenberg: are dying here, just within a stone's throw of City Hall.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's right. And you can say the same thing… you're ignoring it, and you can say the same thing with the environment. People who… who are campaigning

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: as part of their platform on environmental issues, right? But meanwhile, what are they doing for pollution? What are they doing for the street level?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: issues, where you have fentanyl foil flowing around, you've got the needles that aren't collected, you've got the garbage that is strewn about, and the feces, and the urine. These are environmental disasters. You've got RVs that are dumping their sewage.

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Richie Greenberg: That's right.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: the Bay. I mean, you name it, it's happening. So where are we? So it is that hypocrisy. You're gonna focus on one, but not on the other. No, they both…

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Richie Greenberg: Yep, and ignoring it. Great, great, great example. Yeah, yeah, very good.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Lovely!

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Are we listening?

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Richie Greenberg: Six of mercenaries.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Mercenaries to me, and I threw this in there, because… Typically.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Pay to play! You know, a mercenary army, right? What is it? Yeah, you don't care about the cause, you don't care about the country, you don't care about the… whatever, the outcome even, you're just getting paid. And you see a lot of that when it comes to the election, is, hey, you're basically… you're bringing on the PR team, and that PR team has nothing to do

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: with what the public needs, what's in the best interest of the country, or the state, or the… Or the city, or the neighborhood.

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Richie Greenberg: the district, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's right, right.

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Richie Greenberg: So, do you have any examples? Because I can think of one, in a sense.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: your one.

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Richie Greenberg: But the thing is, these would potentially be mercenaries, but they then…

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Richie Greenberg: Do it under the cover of saying that it's what people want.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Okay.

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Richie Greenberg: Closure of the Upper Great Highway.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, so you have, what's the, Stoppelman. Jeremy Stoppelman, you're rolling your eyes, right? We know, we, we know!

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Richie Greenberg: Someone who you never really know about this guy, we haven't heard about him in the past, and suddenly, he's, like, the major donor throwing in hundreds of thousands of dollars to get this

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Richie Greenberg: ballot measure passed. He does not live in the area, he's not personally affected by it, but in a type of mercenary

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Richie Greenberg: action, he suddenly jumps on the scene and says, we need to close it for what reasons? A, B, C, D, which really very much are either wrong…

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Richie Greenberg: They're irrelevant.

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Richie Greenberg: They are, you know, making excuses, they're phony and fake. I'm looking at all of the… all of the carpetbagger for one… meaning one district to another, and opportunist and all of that, but we'll talk about that later. But yeah, I think that that… that could be a good mercenary type of.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: That was one event, shutting the brain away.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You… this is part of growing up when it comes to politics, is that you… when you're young, you're a kid, right, you kind of think that people go into this for the best reasons.

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Richie Greenberg: Naive.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I use, right.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, it's a sad realization when you do move from that to know, you know, most people do not have the best interests of the community in mind. And once you know that, it's just sort of icky, but just pay attention. And, you know, the mercenaries, hey, they're just getting paid. The PR people, the marketing people.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It's… it's a paycheck. Okay. Where are we? Number 7.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: This is definitely more of a, more of a crowd, you know, the people who are in it just to… I would say, go to the parties, and be part of the crowd, and be part of the in-folk, right?

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Richie Greenberg: Get on the A-list invite list to all of these parties.

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Richie Greenberg: And… and this is not… so much the candidates running for office. These are the fanboy, fangirl…

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Richie Greenberg: Or, as you put it down, the social media influencers, the content creators.

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Richie Greenberg: They're the ones that are behind… no, not behind, they're in front of the camera. They're the ones that are in front of the… they're the face, and they're going to the parties, how they look in the primp and fix them up, themselves up, and then show that they are at the party.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's right. They're more of the obnoxious group to me. It's like, I don't… again, it's not out of a dedication to a cause, or to… to a, to a candidate. It's… you're there… it's you're there for… for your own… for your own benefit, right?

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Richie Greenberg: But they're also, and dare I use this word.

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Richie Greenberg: They're whoring themselves out because they are going to get…

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Richie Greenberg: the benefits may be money, they're going to get invites, they're going to get swag, they're going to get notoriety, right? And what was this all for? Because the candidate or the party thrower want to use this influencer

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Richie Greenberg: Because they have the influence through all of their followers.

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Richie Greenberg: Right? And so, they are… they're doing this willingly.

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Richie Greenberg: solely for what purpose? Just to boost their ego, and to boost their viewer… their views and their follower count.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Boost their clicks, boost their likes, boost their… boost their, income if they're making money from it. Yeah, and so…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It's, it's, it's just kind of a funny thing that's definitely cropped up lately, and hey.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's just… that's just part of the game here.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Okay, what's next on our live?

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Richie Greenberg: Number 8.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Okay, I think you actually put this on, the exploiters. Who are the exploiters?

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Richie Greenberg: So this would be… This would be, from a candidate's side.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Somewhat.

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Richie Greenberg: One who may or may not have even been paying attention to a specific issue.

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Richie Greenberg: Right? But it crops up a little bit, and the candidate and maybe their campaign team, the managers, they…

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Richie Greenberg: Decide, yeah, maybe this is something, an issue that we can exploit.

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Richie Greenberg: Right?

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Richie Greenberg: And, I think an example might be what just happened within the last few days with Phil's Coffee.

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Richie Greenberg: Alright?

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Richie Greenberg: Phil's Coffee, a small chain that's based in… founded and based in San Francisco, that was sold to a, an investment firm, I believe. So, the original family that created Phil's is no longer part of the ownership and management.

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Richie Greenberg: But it had a following. I like their stuff. I like their drinks over the years. They sold it, and the new ownership made a decree, a rule, saying, we don't want any

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Richie Greenberg: any just extra stuff that would be on the walls in our, because now they own it, our cafes, including the pride flag, the LGBT, the multi-stripe, and different shapes and stuff, we don't want the pride flag anymore. And so the…

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Richie Greenberg: the first reaction within… within probably minutes was from, going back to, again, Scott Weiner. Scott Weiner exploited this particular issue by… by crea… by putting out a damning

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Richie Greenberg: damning condemnation of this, not wanting the pride flag to be removed. And it made national news. This wasn't just something that a few

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Richie Greenberg: a few choice people heard about, it actually made it into the papers and into TV. And, so then, I, I believe that this is something like, like, Wiener used on purpose.

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Richie Greenberg: to try and push his agenda, and to bring his standing up in the race to succeed Nancy Pelosi. So…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, I think that's a good example.

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Richie Greenberg: There you go.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I think another example, even though she's not running for office, in fact, she's… she's two feet, one arm, all of her hair and most of her face gone from… from, office is…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Jackie Fielder, the district supervisor.

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Richie Greenberg: Oh, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Mission District.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And when she exploited the, sad situation where a cat was killed, by Waymo, And…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: it didn't feel genuine to me. I mean, I… I don't know Jackie in an intimate way, but the constant, the drumbeat of, this poor cat, kitty cat was killed! And it just didn't seem genuine to me. But she was exploiting it, she was using it for her own political gain, because…

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Richie Greenberg: So, Jackie Fielder is supervisor of District 9, and the issue we're talking about is that there is a Waymo, the self-driving cars, went through the neighborhood that's in her district.

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Richie Greenberg: and wound up, for whatever reason, hitting and killing a, a very beloved neighborhood cat that I think was…

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Richie Greenberg: It was seen hanging around all the time.

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Richie Greenberg: Was it a cafe, or was it a grocery store, something like that. And then the outrage. The outrage was…

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Richie Greenberg: directed at at Waymo, saying, we now need to ban self-driving cars.

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Richie Greenberg: So that was the double outrage. That was this, to exploit a situation.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Absolutely, and so you do see… well, we saw it, we see it.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: At that stage. But you're going to be seeing a lot in these races. You're going to exploit an issue, right, just to get ahead, whether or not it's truly meaningful to you or not.

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Richie Greenberg: Right.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The Tribalists are number 9.

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Richie Greenberg: the tribalists.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, that was me.

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Richie Greenberg: Whatever, identity that you have, and what affinity, what you are, are, are…

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Richie Greenberg: Which could be what? Could be.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Anything.

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Richie Greenberg: Anything.

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Richie Greenberg: national origin, religion…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right.

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Richie Greenberg: Sex, gender, any of that.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yes. So these are the… these are the… the crowds. This is the… the… the voters, the supporters, right?

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Richie Greenberg: Candidates, both. It's both.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, that's true. To me, a tribalist really is somebody who's fighting for a specific identity, whether it's their union, right, or whether it's their sex, their race, their background, their religion, right? It's a tribal… it's a tribal fixation.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right. And this is what you also see a lot during election season. Everything becomes very, very tribal.

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Richie Greenberg: So, I say it's both the voters and the candidates, because look at Jackie Fielder again. When she ran, and when she won and was sworn in, again, she kept saying, I am, like, the first,

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Richie Greenberg: What did you say? The first Latina or Latinx?

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Richie Greenberg: is she lesbian, I believe. So she… and she said to serve either in… in City Hall or in her district, so that was very important to her when she was running, to say, I am this, I am that.

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Richie Greenberg: And that's what I'm saying, it's both the candidate and all the supporters saying, yes, we have to elect this first

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Richie Greenberg: You know, or… and then what happens?

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Richie Greenberg: when the… Election comes.

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Richie Greenberg: And we look at the slate.

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Richie Greenberg: People are gonna say, well, I'm gonna vote for thee.

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Richie Greenberg: for the woman candidate. I'm gonna vote for the Jewish-sounding candidate. I'm gonna vote for the one who's been… who's the LGBT, the gay candidate.

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Richie Greenberg: or the Asian-Chinese candidate, only because

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Richie Greenberg: That's the affinity, that's the tribalism.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah. Yeah, I think tribalism is really dangerous, because it's…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You think you're going to get what you… what you want.

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Richie Greenberg: You're hoping.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Because, let's see, I happen to be a woman, right? Just because a candidate is female, right, does that mean she's going to vote the way, or support the issues that I want? Not necessarily. At all.

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Richie Greenberg: I think it's among the worst kind of voting, the worst way to vote.

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Richie Greenberg: And very exploitive.

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Richie Greenberg: Of the identity by the candidate.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, exactly. No, you're absolutely right about that.

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Richie Greenberg: You're exploring.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Oh, yes, that's something that really is very annoying. Okay, excellent. What's number 10?

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Richie Greenberg: 10 are the activists.

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Richie Greenberg: Again, back to… back to Jackie Fielder, I'm sorry.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I think they're running for office right now.

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Richie Greenberg: I know, but the activists, the one, maybe even, like, shoika Chakrabati?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yes!

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Richie Greenberg: Okay?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It's a great example.

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Richie Greenberg: apple.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: activist.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, someone who has no experience in…

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Richie Greenberg: In local governance, running for office before, serving in office before, who has…

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Richie Greenberg: Seemingly picked up on a couple of issues to exploit, so there's the exploitation, and is acting as an activist, not as a statesman.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you! Exactly! Exactly! Again, I think we all always need to roll this back. You know, what does

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: what is a politician supposed to be doing, right? They're supposed to be representing the community, right?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: this… it's not… not for your own specific cause, right? It is… it is for the people, right? So, that's…

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Richie Greenberg: I can think of two more examples.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Tell me!

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, Dean Preston?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Sure.

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Richie Greenberg: Dean Preston was a hell of an activist. He was an attorney before he was, elected, and he used… his specialty was, I think, anti-eviction. That's the kind of, law he practiced.

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Richie Greenberg: And then he just brought that in, and he just kept that as activism.

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Richie Greenberg: And, and he often would vote at City Council.

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Richie Greenberg: meetings where they were going through different policies and stuff, and he would sometimes be the only person that would vote that way, because he was more of an activist, not a civic leader.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's a great example, and I think a great example of the opposite.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: like him, dislike him, doesn't matter, but you have Daniel Lurie as mayor. I would never call Daniel Lurie an activist mayor. I wouldn't have called London Breed an activist mayor.

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Richie Greenberg: Well, I, I disagree on that.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: No, I mean, I think that there were… there were… of course, she was very passionate about certain things that I didn't agree with, but do I think she… I think she was more of a populist. I think that she tried to represent the…

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00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:37.400
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: certain segments of the city more than others, but…

432
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Richie Greenberg: I think that one of the characteristics of an activist is that you would try to get something done, an agenda that might even be illegal.

433
00:46:46.120 --> 00:47:00.479
Richie Greenberg: pushing it anyway. And that is exactly what London Breed did when it came to DKI, when it went to the African American, the reparations, and many of those. So there you go, okay. Another example of an activist is Chessa Bodine.

434
00:47:00.890 --> 00:47:03.400
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Oh, for sure. Okay.

435
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:14.660
Richie Greenberg: He was a carpetbagger, he was a phony, a fake, he ignored what we needed. He was a die-hard, well, partisan, I don't know. He was a hypocrite, a mercenary.

436
00:47:14.660 --> 00:47:25.249
Richie Greenberg: He was… I'm looking at the exploiter, I'm looking at everything here, and for sure he was an activist. So, yeah, and that's why he's not our DA anymore. All right, so now we've got…

437
00:47:25.790 --> 00:47:26.980
Richie Greenberg: Number 11?

438
00:47:27.630 --> 00:47:29.720
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The unserious dream…

439
00:47:30.790 --> 00:47:40.359
Richie Greenberg: The unicorns, the rainbows, the kumbaya, everything is gonna be great if you elect this person.

440
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:51.720
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Absolutely, or everything's gonna be great if you elect me, right? We are going to… the world is going to change, and yeah, it's…

441
00:47:51.720 --> 00:47:59.910
Richie Greenberg: Is Mamdani in New York? Was that a example of an unserious dreamer?

442
00:48:00.390 --> 00:48:10.669
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I would say he's an example of a serious dreamer. You know, he's dead serious about what he does. I mean, it is, like, of… but he's not getting what he wants.

443
00:48:10.670 --> 00:48:11.790
Richie Greenberg: Serious.

444
00:48:11.790 --> 00:48:12.170
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah.

445
00:48:12.170 --> 00:48:22.100
Richie Greenberg: I thought this was going to… he can make, all of those government-run grocery stores, and it didn't work. He wants to make buses free. They can't do it.

446
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.490
Richie Greenberg: So.

447
00:48:23.490 --> 00:48:30.239
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Shaikat Chakabarti. Sorry to keep having to bring him in here. Well, but it's…

448
00:48:30.240 --> 00:48:31.040
Richie Greenberg: It's… it's current.

449
00:48:31.040 --> 00:48:38.240
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Serious Dreamer to me is… I'm going to work to abolish Ice.

450
00:48:38.870 --> 00:48:42.719
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's an unserious… that is an unserious thing.

451
00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:48.129
Richie Greenberg: Every candidate, every candidate, and even every elected official, well, elected officials have more

452
00:48:48.230 --> 00:49:05.039
Richie Greenberg: possibility, but you can't… you can't just, and open the borders, right? They want to open the borders and abolish ICE. No. What is ICE? It's Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which means you want to flood the country with contraband.

453
00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:23.479
Richie Greenberg: Whether it's drugs or even fake Louis Vuitton bags, right? That's what customs is, right? So, no, so, they are exploiting, go back to the characteristic, they're exploiting a trepidation, a fear of something, that's what that is.

454
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:30.530
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right. And then, when it comes to the actual voters, unserious dreamers, to me, would be, you know, people who are…

455
00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:32.379
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You know, let's just…

456
00:49:32.380 --> 00:49:35.089
Richie Greenberg: Oh, oh, oh, yeah, from the voter's side, yeah.

457
00:49:35.090 --> 00:49:47.590
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: that from the voter side, you know, I remember going… just going to recent protests and seeing signs, and some of the signs were so funny to me. One of them was, it was like having a…

458
00:49:47.850 --> 00:49:49.740
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: $50 minimum wage.

459
00:49:49.740 --> 00:49:54.180
Richie Greenberg: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and others say there's no limit. Unlimited…

460
00:49:54.180 --> 00:49:55.990
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Unlimited, yeah. Yeah.

461
00:49:55.990 --> 00:49:59.109
Richie Greenberg: Because we all deserve everything, right?

462
00:49:59.110 --> 00:50:00.720
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, these are unserious things.

463
00:50:00.720 --> 00:50:04.400
Richie Greenberg: Well, I could think also, you know,

464
00:50:05.790 --> 00:50:13.379
Richie Greenberg: Going back and looking at, Trump, when Trump was running first time, and sort of second time, but I saw it more the first time.

465
00:50:13.650 --> 00:50:16.359
Richie Greenberg: There's this adoration.

466
00:50:16.640 --> 00:50:23.790
Richie Greenberg: this deification of Trump by some of his most hardcore…

467
00:50:23.930 --> 00:50:41.470
Richie Greenberg: followers and supporters. Like, he is… is God, he is Jesus, that was the… that was the meme that came up. But there are people like that that are lost souls that need to have a charismatic

468
00:50:41.650 --> 00:50:44.589
Richie Greenberg: Leader that they can believe in.

469
00:50:44.930 --> 00:50:47.540
Richie Greenberg: And that… that then…

470
00:50:47.610 --> 00:51:02.779
Richie Greenberg: becomes the issues with a lot of the other things that we've just mentioned, because then such a… such a leader can then take advantage of others, because they are phonies and fakes and ignore, and they're, hypocrites and mercenaries, right? So…

471
00:51:02.830 --> 00:51:12.009
Richie Greenberg: Those individuals that are the, dreamers, they're the ones that need the, the coddling and help the most.

472
00:51:12.530 --> 00:51:15.170
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, I agree, I agree.

473
00:51:15.170 --> 00:51:15.640
Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

474
00:51:15.640 --> 00:51:20.279
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And then we come to the… kind of a nasty, ugly one, which is number…

475
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:21.080
Richie Greenberg: 12, yeah.

476
00:51:21.080 --> 00:51:25.129
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: 12, the final of the Dirty Dozen,

477
00:51:25.370 --> 00:51:34.349
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The spoilers. This is manipulative. It is, kind of a… it's just an icky part of politics.

478
00:51:34.350 --> 00:51:34.710
Richie Greenberg: Now, this.

479
00:51:34.710 --> 00:51:35.340
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Thank you.

480
00:51:35.340 --> 00:51:36.880
Richie Greenberg: Candidates. Candidates running who.

481
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:37.640
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Candidate it.

482
00:51:37.640 --> 00:51:38.750
Richie Greenberg: the spoiler.

483
00:51:39.110 --> 00:51:43.470
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right, and what do they do? These are the people who come in just to split.

484
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:44.560
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Votes.

485
00:51:44.560 --> 00:51:45.900
Richie Greenberg: Split the vote. That's right.

486
00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:52.899
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Okay, so you know you're not gonna win, there's no chance, but what you're doing is you're trying to pull

487
00:51:53.030 --> 00:51:58.320
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Votes away from somebody, so that those votes go to somebody else.

488
00:51:58.620 --> 00:51:58.970
Richie Greenberg: Excellent.

489
00:51:58.970 --> 00:51:59.430
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: if it…

490
00:51:59.430 --> 00:52:03.310
Richie Greenberg: Specifically, it works well in ranked choice voting.

491
00:52:03.390 --> 00:52:21.259
Richie Greenberg: So that's where you would have an alliance, also. Where you would have someone who, as you said, is probably not going to win, but says, put me number one, and then put another candidate number two, someone that we're really not that happy with if they won.

492
00:52:21.540 --> 00:52:22.420
Richie Greenberg: But…

493
00:52:22.620 --> 00:52:30.249
Richie Greenberg: You believe the person, the spoiler, and it winds up sucking away votes from someone who really deserved to win.

494
00:52:30.550 --> 00:52:41.790
Richie Greenberg: Yeah, I know that's happened a few times, back in 2018 for mayor, here in, District 1, supervisor, multiple times we had,

495
00:52:42.020 --> 00:52:52.440
Richie Greenberg: Marjan Filauer, who ran for Supervisor District 1 and lost 3 times each time because there was a spoiler in the District 1 race.

496
00:52:52.890 --> 00:52:53.290
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah.

497
00:52:53.290 --> 00:52:53.800
Richie Greenberg: big,

498
00:52:53.800 --> 00:53:10.169
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And it's not by accident. This is not by accident. These are very deliberate actions, and they really have a way of… it erodes trust in the system. That makes me really angry.

499
00:53:10.490 --> 00:53:13.450
Richie Greenberg: This is not a… this is not a bug, it's a feature of Ranked Choice.

500
00:53:13.450 --> 00:53:13.860
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yes!

501
00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:20.489
Richie Greenberg: That's what it is. It allows the existence of spoilers to come in and manipulate the election.

502
00:53:20.850 --> 00:53:22.460
Richie Greenberg: That's right.

503
00:53:22.460 --> 00:53:34.999
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, as we were going through this list, we did create this, and then, of course, you and I, we just kept going, Richie. So, there were others, but I have to say, one of the, the.

504
00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:39.310
Richie Greenberg: The next one we had was blind supporters, but I think that that's actually…

505
00:53:39.310 --> 00:53:40.800
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Got that, yeah.

506
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.899
Richie Greenberg: That duplicates, the other.

507
00:53:44.470 --> 00:53:49.760
Richie Greenberg: Yeah, well, it's my friend, I know the person, we went to school together, I worked with the person, he's a nice.

508
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:50.270
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right.

509
00:53:50.270 --> 00:53:57.760
Richie Greenberg: woman, and we're just gonna support them regardless. So that, that actually is similar to the tribalists, too.

510
00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:58.899
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right?

511
00:53:58.900 --> 00:54:01.659
Richie Greenberg: So that one, we kind of covered, in a way.

512
00:54:01.660 --> 00:54:09.800
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The more that comes up during election season, the constant pollsters. How many surveys are you going to do?

513
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:12.980
Richie Greenberg: And not just that, but who paid for the poll, for the poll?

514
00:54:13.310 --> 00:54:29.809
Richie Greenberg: Do they skew, left, progressive? Do they skew a little bit right? Do they skew toward any particular affinity group? That's the pollsters and the polls. So we have to not necessarily trust every single poll that comes out.

515
00:54:30.570 --> 00:54:35.909
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Definitely not. You know, I tried to make this one a kind of a nicer way of putting it.

516
00:54:36.620 --> 00:54:37.130
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Jesus.

517
00:54:37.150 --> 00:54:37.870
Richie Greenberg: The idiot.

518
00:54:37.870 --> 00:54:54.269
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It's like, what are you saying? And this typically, I hate to say it, but these are… it could be media, it could be the supporters, it could be just the general public, and you're like, where did you get this information from? It's just…

519
00:54:54.270 --> 00:54:54.620
Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

520
00:54:54.620 --> 00:55:02.020
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: flat out wrong. It's flat out wrong. And yet, you're going to promote this person anyway. You're gonna vote for them anyway.

521
00:55:02.020 --> 00:55:04.030
Richie Greenberg: Do you have an example of that?

522
00:55:04.640 --> 00:55:06.749
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: No, and I'm not going to…

523
00:55:06.750 --> 00:55:07.260
Richie Greenberg: I…

524
00:55:07.260 --> 00:55:08.659
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And you see it all the time. Okay, go ahead.

525
00:55:09.010 --> 00:55:10.060
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: What's your example like that.

526
00:55:10.060 --> 00:55:21.880
Richie Greenberg: So I found, this was posted on Instagram the other day, and somehow it's starting to make its rounds, and it's totally fake. It was, like, fake AI-generated, but it says.

527
00:55:22.060 --> 00:55:28.859
Richie Greenberg: Saikat, or Troikat Chakrabhati, and Manny Yakutil were known for…

528
00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:43.780
Richie Greenberg: Their involvement on reality TV show Big Brother UK, but their relationship became more notable when they got married after meeting on the show in 2008, yadda yadda yadda. Totally fake, and anyone that believes that is a total idiot.

529
00:55:44.260 --> 00:55:45.300
Richie Greenberg: I was, I was…

530
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:47.670
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Oh my god!

531
00:55:47.670 --> 00:55:48.900
Richie Greenberg: undead to you, I mean…

532
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:50.479
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I was on the plane.

533
00:55:50.480 --> 00:56:02.180
Richie Greenberg: I was on the plane yesterday, I was like, what is this? I sent it to you, I sent it to a few people, it's the same… No, they're not married, and if you believe it, they're the idiots.

534
00:56:02.180 --> 00:56:03.060
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right, right.

535
00:56:03.060 --> 00:56:06.160
Richie Greenberg: Alright, alright, then we've got… We'll have two more.

536
00:56:06.160 --> 00:56:09.450
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, the sellouts, you know, I mean, to me, the

537
00:56:09.990 --> 00:56:12.860
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: This, this truly is a, a…

538
00:56:12.980 --> 00:56:19.069
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: somebody's running for office, it's basically, it's, I'll say anything, just to… just to get your vote.

539
00:56:19.070 --> 00:56:19.700
Richie Greenberg: That's right.

540
00:56:19.700 --> 00:56:31.849
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: What do you want me to say? I'll say this. What do you want me to support? I'll support it. Just to kind of, just to kind of inch closer to your common goal, and that's just…

541
00:56:32.350 --> 00:56:36.740
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Normal, normal ugliness of politics.

542
00:56:36.870 --> 00:56:41.390
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I don't know why we got cosplayers in there, but.

543
00:56:41.390 --> 00:56:51.149
Richie Greenberg: Do we have any example of that? The cosplayers. They're there, they're out there, and I'm sure people know. Oh, boy, that's exhausting.

544
00:56:51.150 --> 00:56:51.560
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So…

545
00:56:51.560 --> 00:56:52.429
Richie Greenberg: Go take a break.

546
00:56:52.430 --> 00:57:12.080
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I know, so the nice thing about election season is, if you want to look at it this way, is these personality types, these situations, they definitely bubble up to the surface. This is what we're seeing a lot of. So, if you want to take a look at it in a more, kind of, step back and just observe way, do that.

547
00:57:13.230 --> 00:57:31.559
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: know that it exists, right? Like, kind of question your own self, too. Like, am I voting because of tribalism? Am I voting? Like, what is it here? Am I checking my facts? Who am I getting my news from? You know, you and I, Richie, we don't… this is something that I think is sort of unique about us.

548
00:57:31.950 --> 00:57:43.300
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: if… if we want… I'm sure there's others like us, right? But we don't tell people how to vote. We're really not try… I'm not trying to manipulate anyone into a specific

549
00:57:43.820 --> 00:57:45.939
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: voting pattern, or…

550
00:57:45.940 --> 00:57:47.280
Richie Greenberg: party line, or…

551
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:47.999
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I don't care.

552
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:49.920
Richie Greenberg: Tribalist, that's right, yeah.

553
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:55.550
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The only thing I would say is that, If you don't know.

554
00:57:56.010 --> 00:57:59.550
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: About a candidate, and you're just really unclear

555
00:57:59.830 --> 00:58:08.670
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: question more, that's up to you, you know, really get the facts and, you know, that silliness about… that you just read, that rumor, you know, question rumors.

556
00:58:08.670 --> 00:58:10.460
Richie Greenberg: The rumors.

557
00:58:11.020 --> 00:58:12.710
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, yeah, but…

558
00:58:14.710 --> 00:58:26.250
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: what are you gonna do? All this is gonna get ramped up. The primaries are on June 2nd, so they are coming up. This is coming faster and furious, sir, and…

559
00:58:26.250 --> 00:58:27.569
Richie Greenberg: Six weeks, more or less six weeks.

560
00:58:27.570 --> 00:58:29.619
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And we should expect…

561
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.460
Richie Greenberg: We should expect all the rhetoric to be ramping up.

562
00:58:32.870 --> 00:58:47.149
Richie Greenberg: I'm already getting more and more, on my Instagram, looking at Instagram, all of these advertisements from Scott Weiner, from Chicot, from Tom Steyer running for governor, and it's just a mess, you know?

563
00:58:47.150 --> 00:58:47.760
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It is.

564
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:48.950
Richie Greenberg: Yeah, and…

565
00:58:48.950 --> 00:58:56.470
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I like visualization, so if you want to visualize this as a horse race, there you are at the track, and you're watching all these horses, while the one at the back.

566
00:58:56.470 --> 00:59:00.939
Richie Greenberg: Oh, that's another category that we put on here, the bettors.

567
00:59:01.490 --> 00:59:05.389
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Oh, the better is the mayors. They're a funny group.

568
00:59:05.570 --> 00:59:22.679
Richie Greenberg: Yeah, you have PACs, supportive political committees that are throwing money behind a candidate, or even just the voters in general. The ones that don't vote with their conscience, they don't vote with who they believe

569
00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:30.189
Richie Greenberg: should be in office. They instead vote and support with their money who they think is going to win.

570
00:59:30.190 --> 00:59:35.899
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Oh my gosh, Richie, maybe… How do we forget that? That should be number one. That should be number one, I don't know.

571
00:59:35.900 --> 00:59:36.549
Richie Greenberg: How do we forget?

572
00:59:36.550 --> 00:59:37.439
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: put it up there.

573
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:38.000
Richie Greenberg: Yeah…

574
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:40.560
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Okay, we're gonna do a little shifting of our own, Dr. Is it?

575
00:59:40.560 --> 00:59:42.460
Richie Greenberg: Right? Yeah.

576
00:59:42.460 --> 00:59:48.240
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: it's… that's the worst of the worst. To me, that's the worst of the worst. You know, you… others may have their.

577
00:59:48.240 --> 00:59:50.720
Richie Greenberg: They're betting on the outcome. They're betting on the outcome.

578
00:59:50.720 --> 01:00:03.159
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You're saying… okay, now here. If there is a candidate who matches just about everything that you want, you like this person, you think they're great, right?

579
01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:17.909
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Even… even they're the same… they're the same party, but I'm like, I don't know, they probably won't win. So I'm gonna vote for somebody else, because they're going to win. Even though they have qualities you can't stand, you know that they're the…

580
01:00:17.910 --> 01:00:19.069
Richie Greenberg: Check all the wrong buttons.

581
01:00:20.180 --> 01:00:23.069
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's right, but you do it anyway, then shame on you.

582
01:00:23.070 --> 01:00:23.550
Richie Greenberg: That's right.

583
01:00:23.550 --> 01:00:32.089
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: on you, that's… you are the problem, then. That is a very… and if you find yourself saying that, do a little… do a little.

584
01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:32.880
Richie Greenberg: soul searching.

585
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:38.189
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: About that, because this whole, yeah, I'm not going to support so-and-so because they have no chance.

586
01:00:38.510 --> 01:00:40.290
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Then you are…

587
01:00:40.290 --> 01:00:41.330
Richie Greenberg: It's on you.

588
01:00:41.750 --> 01:00:42.480
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It's on you.

589
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:43.159
Richie Greenberg: And the outcome…

590
01:00:43.160 --> 01:00:43.530
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Awesome.

591
01:00:43.530 --> 01:00:44.429
Richie Greenberg: you, that's right.

592
01:00:44.430 --> 01:00:44.790
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Because…

593
01:00:44.990 --> 01:00:57.990
Richie Greenberg: It's all about quality. We want someone that will be quality representation, that will do a good job. We don't care if the person is not going… doesn't have a chance, they probably do have a chance, actually.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Exactly, exactly. So it's incredibly sad. Watch this race, this race is wild. As they say, if it's a horse race, envision that physicians are constantly shifting people. Horses break their legs, you know? They… they come up from behind, they nudge each other, this is…

595
01:01:17.110 --> 01:01:23.069
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: This is a fascinating season, as always. So, on that, no, Richie…

596
01:01:23.070 --> 01:01:23.880
Richie Greenberg: Okay, Erica.

597
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:29.189
Erica Jennifer Sandberg: go get involved. We'll put this list online. We'd love to hear your comments, of course.

598
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Richie Greenberg: Please, please comment online, comment on the post, on the video, or even contact us.

599
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Richie Greenberg: directly with any more, anything else you want to add to this list, or if you know any particular person or candidate that you want to mention publicly that you think fits this, we would love to see that. We'd love to hear that from you.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: That's right. Thank you so much, everybody.

601
01:01:53.200 --> 01:01:53.560
Richie Greenberg: Everybody…

602
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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Richie and Erica signing off.