S3 E15: Steve Hilton San Francisco Town Hall

Steve Hilton, candidate for California governor, held a Town Hall in San Francisco this weekend. Richie and Erica were in attendance and give their views on his rally on today's episode. 

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Really, San Francisco?

S3 E15: Steve Hilton Hosts A Town Hall

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Hello, everybody, and welcome to Really San Francisco, the podcast that is hosted by me, Erica Sandberg, and of course, Richie Greenberg, and we are here to deliver the news, but also just sort of our opinion about what's going on in San Francisco, and

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: In today's episode, California at Large. Hey, Richie!

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Richie Greenberg: Hey, how's it going, Erica? A wonderful day, it's May, the first…

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Richie Greenberg: few days of May, and you can tell that we're getting towards the summer, because it's really cold. It's really.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Near my back garden.

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Richie Greenberg: You're cold and wearing jackets, it must have, like, misted rain last night or this morning, it's in the 50s, and so we know we're heading towards summer because we have to put all of our jackets on.

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Richie Greenberg: And I thank everybody for listening on the podcast and, joining us today. I'm in Studio B here in San Francisco, Richmond District, and Erica is in more of the middle part of the city.

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Richie Greenberg: And what is our topic today, Erica?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Today we're talking about what happened last night, about last night. It's not just a movie, it's reality. And, Steve Bilton, who is running for the governor of California, and he went… had a town hall last night in Golden Gate Park. Richie and I went, we went together. Actually, no, we didn't go together, we met. We met.

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Richie Greenberg: It's as if we went together.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Absolutely. And by the way, before I forget, I want to say thank you to everybody who came up last night and thanked us for the show, and said, where's the next podcast? What's going on? But just really nice, really nice to hear from people who are enthusiastic about what we're doing, and we totally value you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Richie Greenberg: Yes, I was also very, very pleased, and this happens almost every time you and I are out, Erica, at some event.

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Richie Greenberg: around the city, we run into people, people come up to us, and they say, Erica, Richie, love the podcast. So, yeah, if this is… if this is new to you, we are available on…

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Richie Greenberg: Apple i… Not iTunes, Apple Podcasts on Spotify. We're now loading episodes onto YouTube, iHeartRadio.

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Richie Greenberg: And you'll see, some of these platforms are video, you'll see our video recording of this, otherwise it's audio. One of the women that came up to us yesterday talked about listening to us in her car.

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Richie Greenberg: So, that's great. You know, we are now on… this is episode 15 of the year so far, so it's approximately one episode release per week.

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Richie Greenberg: We'd like to keep that going and increase it as well, so…

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, back to the topic, Erica, Steve Hilton…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Steve Hilton, yes, so, Richie, you've… you are ready to talk about who Steve Tilton is, and…

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Richie Greenberg: Cool.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Go for it.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, so Steve Hilton is right now polling in first place in the governor's race. We have a, a primary coming up in about one month, the first week of June.

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Richie Greenberg: Although there's early voting starting this week, starting tomorrow, so you can even vote for any of the candidates now, and any of the other races that are being decided by the… by a primary. Primary means that it is a, election that will decide the top two

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Richie Greenberg: candidates that will then go head-to-head in the fall, in November. So,

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Richie Greenberg: The governor's race is very, very large. There's many candidates. You have two Republicans, and there are several Democrats that,

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Richie Greenberg: That are all vying. And Steve Hilton, just to go quickly look at his bio, I pulled up some info. Steve Hilton is a British-American conservative commentator.

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Richie Greenberg: an author and former political… former political strategist. When he was over in England, he worked for the, the Prime Minister, David Cameron, between 2010 and 2012.

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Richie Greenberg: When he came to America, he was a host of a show called, on Fox News called The Next Revolution for a few years. And interestingly, he was born to Hungarian refugees, parents that, were in the UK, and he… they all moved to California in 2012.

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Richie Greenberg: He co-founded a fundraising platform called CrowdPack.

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Richie Greenberg: And now he's running for governor. So, yeah, he was born in 1969, so we can do the math and figure out how old he is.

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Richie Greenberg: Actually, his parents fled communism, so they know about communism and about this extreme left-wing communism, socialism. Went to Oxford University, studied philosophy, politics, economics.

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Richie Greenberg: And a few other things, so he's also an author. So, yeah, he's been involved in politics, he's educated, he's fairly articulate, I'd say that.

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Richie Greenberg: And he's been in the public eye in one way, shape, or form for over a decade. So, he knows California, he's been here since 2012, so that puts him here almost 14 years, right?

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Richie Greenberg: And, yeah, so…

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Richie Greenberg: What do you think? What was this like? What was it like when we were there at a town hall? Now, a town hall is not a debate, because a town hall is one candidate.

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Richie Greenberg: who is now making the case for voters, for people to vote for him. So you don't have other candidates, you don't have going back and forth, there's no moderator, it's a roadshow. He and his team run the show.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, definitely. Well, first of all, it was crowded. It was held in Golden Gate Park at the… what is that called? The Hall of Flowers or something?

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Richie Greenberg: Yes, yes, it's like a little… it's a small event area that is a building, probably built from the 1950s, 1960s.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And it was full.

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Richie Greenberg: And it was fun, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: How many people…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, my hands. And, very diverse crowd, I thought. It was… I looked around me many times throughout the night, and, you know, it certainly…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: young, old, every… every demographic seemed to be represented. There was a guy with a mohawk there who was… A big mohawk! Huge mohawk!

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Richie Greenberg: It was, like, 2-3 feet in the air.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, there's Thank you!

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, he asked a really great question, too. I can't remember offhand what it was, but it was a good question. And we had… yeah, it was really interesting, and it was very… obviously, the people who went, I would say most of them went because they liked Steve Hilton. They want him to work, but others were there out of more curiosity. The couple who was sitting next to me.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It seemed that they just wanted to hear him talk. They wanted to.

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Richie Greenberg: And who is Who is this guy, right?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And then…

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Richie Greenberg: And you're right, because a lot of people, they base their vote On a, connection

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Richie Greenberg: to the candidate.

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Richie Greenberg: By meeting them in person, right? So, and I know that this is one of the obvious strategies is, other than doing debates in big candidate forums, sometimes these candidates try and do a more intimate setting, like a house party.

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Richie Greenberg: Right? They'll… someone will invite them to come to the house, and they'll bring 10, 20, 25 people into their home, depending on how much space they have. And they can have a much more intimate, one-on-one discussion and feel, you know, is this a nice guy? Do we trust the guy? The vibes? Do we like his demeanor?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, I'm gonna give you my impressions of him, you tell me what yours are, I'm really curious. We didn't get a chance to really decompress afterwards.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: My first impression is that He's not a…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: a Trump Republican. I felt he was kind of a classic conservative in many ways. He spoke about small government, very… as small as possible, right, which is a classic, conservative.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: perspective. He… it was just very calm. Like, I didn't get sort of this outlandish,

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Richie Greenberg: Bombastic.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: No, not at all.

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Richie Greenberg: Not at all bombastic.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Fantastic.

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Richie Greenberg: Oh, very, very laid back.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yes, and…

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Richie Greenberg: Not like… but not sleepy, but not sleepy laid back, but, you know.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Whoa.

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Richie Greenberg: You know, enthusiasm, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And his positions were very normal. It's kind of like what I hear around me all the time, no matter what your political party is, which is, you know, we want affordability. Yes, of course, and he had some interesting ideas. For example, one was

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: to, to drop state income tax for people who make $100,000 or less. Right, to zero, yeah. To zero, to zero. The same thing with, car registration, right? We have an outrageously high car registration fee.

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Richie Greenberg: The renew… annual renewal fees, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Well, it could be over $1,000, whereas in other states, it's only $70, which is what he's proposing. $71.

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Richie Greenberg: 71.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: 71 bucks.

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Richie Greenberg: That $1, actually.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, kind of these simple tweaks that could make a big difference, but they're not this…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: it's not… it's not this, radical kind of craziness. It's just sort of normal, right? And the same thing when he was talking about growth, building, right? It wasn't, I gotta get on these transit lines and build density and apartment buildings.

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Richie Greenberg: He doesn't really agree… yeah, he doesn't agree with that. He actually said, he wants to protect single-family homes.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I have not heard that from a candidate before.

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Richie Greenberg: That right there, that blows me away.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: We shouldn't, but it did, right? So the whole idea, right, that whole idea of a starter home, and Richie, I'll let you…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Well, I want you to… I want to hear what you have to say about it. But it really drew me back to my experience as a child, is my parents, when they got married, they got a starter home. It was tiny. It was tiny. We grew up 6 girls in one bedroom, 2 sets of triple bunk beds. That was our neighborhood.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Single-family home, new development, normal, right? That's what… that's what families do want. It's what we appreciate. San Francisco does not have that in terms of growth.

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Richie Greenberg: Not at all.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And so, you know, I really… I actually really appreciated that. It almost brought a tear to my eye, because I'm like, I have such good memories of that, which is that feeling of ownership, and…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It's really good for families, and we desperately do need families, so what's your impression, Richie?

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Richie Greenberg: What stuck out to you? Yeah, I agree. That was one of the big things that stuck out, to protect Prop 13, and to protect single-family homes, which goes completely, 180 degrees, opposed, opposite, of people like,

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Richie Greenberg: like Scott Wiener.

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Richie Greenberg: and others.

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Richie Greenberg: pardon me, who are, very much against, single-family homes. They want to tear down the west side of San Francisco, and they don't like this. You know, that's destructive policy. That's not fairness, that's not equity or equality, that's destructive.

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Richie Greenberg: And and Steve Hilden's like, no, that's not right. So, I'm actually at his website, too, and I'm looking through real quickly.

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Richie Greenberg: He says we need to bring Hollywood home, and that's a problem, because we've got so many Hollywood jobs and studios have left the state and are seeking tax benefits and other less restrictions is what's happening right now.

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Richie Greenberg: Keep California the AI capital of the world.

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Richie Greenberg: tax plan, and that's what you were saying, for income tax, anyone making under $100,000 would not pay any income tax at all.

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Richie Greenberg: Family First Agenda with, with housing, with education, fixed California's insurance crisis, and there's just a lot, a lot that he, that he said that he compacted into. How long was he on stage? About an hour.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: About an hour, yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: somewhere like that. Reduce taxes for workers and the bureaucratic war on business.

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Richie Greenberg: Restore, as you said, restore the California Dreams single-family home for every family.

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Richie Greenberg: ensure that 100% of students meet state math and English standards, you know, and end the bureaucratic war on business and business licenses, license fees, return to sensible spending.

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Richie Greenberg: That's a big thing, too. So, basically, what he was trying to say is everything that Gavin Newsom has done.

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Richie Greenberg: current, Governor Newsom has done that has ruined California he wants to undo.

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Richie Greenberg: And in a positive way.

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Richie Greenberg: You know? I felt that he was articulate, I felt that, some people are drawn to his British accent. It's not really that heavy British accent anymore.

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Richie Greenberg: But, you know, he's all around a nice guy. He's not bombastic, he's not threatening, he's not, over-the-top,

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Richie Greenberg: You know, like, a radical… not at all.

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Richie Greenberg: And, it's important for listeners to understand that, that, Erica, you and I, you know, we can tell when someone is being honest or not. We can tell when someone is BSing and gaslighting.

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Richie Greenberg: And Mr. Hilton is… seems to me like what he's saying, how he's promoting it, is… is honest and straightforward. There's no agenda there.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I would say sincere.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Right? There was a sincerity about… and it was interesting, because they were rolling out this idea about gold in California, that California is not red, and it's not blue, it's gold.

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Richie Greenberg: Golden State, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It is, and I think that's… it really illustrates something that you and I were talking about before we started this podcast today, which is

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Republican and Democrat, they're these… parties, they're not as staunch as they used to be. There's so much

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: variety with it, and I don't see Steve Hilton as a traditional Republican in some ways. He wears it like a necklace for this campaign, but he just seems like a regular old conservative to me, which could go in many different directions. You've got conservative Democrats. So, I mean, really, it's…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: This is what he is. Now, I think we would be remiss if we did not talk about his running mate, Lieutenant

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: governor, who's running for Lieutenant Governor, is Gloria Romero, my old.

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Richie Greenberg: Before we go into that, can…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Sure.

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Richie Greenberg: Ask us one thing, but we'll put a pin on that just for a second.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You bet.

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Richie Greenberg: You got to ask, from the audience, you got to ask Steve Hilton a question.

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Richie Greenberg: On the microphone, it was Q&A, and I did also. What did you ask, and what was his response?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: My question's centered on…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: the urban issues that we face, especially here in San Francisco, but LA and Sacramento. It's about the drug trade.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: and the overdose crisis. So I combine… I combined them.

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Richie Greenberg: Together.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: didn't… didn't mention homelessness, because to me, it's… that's secondary to this. What are you gonna do? What's your… what's your plan?

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And, his answer was border, right? We need to… we need to plug the holes in the border, because that's

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: where a lot of these substances are coming through. We have to get very tough on… with law enforcement, that people who.

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Richie Greenberg: Support. Support law enforcement.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: For law enforcement to make sure that people who are doing these bad things are… are…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: dissuaded, legally, from doing them, and really enforcing the laws that we have on the books. Super normal. That's something that almost everybody wants. Very few people actually don't want that. Regarding the overdose crisis, he did mention the… the importance

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Of needing more recovery, more treatment, but really that… that it's… it's…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Law enforcement and making sure that…

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Richie Greenberg: And he said, you can't do drugs on the street. You can't be a drug addict and live out on the street.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, again, that's what most people want. That is, I don't care where you go in California, that's what most people want. Very… you're gonna find very, very, very few people who say, oh, it's okay. That's the radical, that's the element is there, but they're a minority. And you? What was your question?

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Richie Greenberg: So my question was a little bit more rhetorical, and so I said to him that, you know, we know that Attorney General Rob Bonta

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Richie Greenberg: Has made it a point in part of his,

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Richie Greenberg: platform to do everything he can to oppose the Trump administration, and him and his office have filed dozens and dozens of lawsuits, taking up a lot of important time and work, what they should be doing in Sacramento.

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Richie Greenberg: Against Trump instead, and blaming Trump for everything. And, I said, so if…

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Richie Greenberg: if Bonta wins, and if you, Mr. Hilton, win as governor, that may set up a adversarial type of governance situation for California, because you've got… Steve Hilton wants to now make changes, and

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Richie Greenberg: potentially investigate for fraud and indictments and prosecutions, and we know that that is something that Newsom, current Newsom, and Bonta, just don't seem to want to

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Richie Greenberg: do. They don't want to find… they don't want to go after responsible parties here in the state. So, what are you going to do, right? How are you going to handle that? And, you know, that's… that's, like I said, it's a more rhetorical thing, but first of all, he… his answer was, well, we have to get a different…

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Richie Greenberg: a different attorney general elected, and he mentioned, I actually, I apologize, I don't remember the name of who it is he recommended instead of, Bonta. But at this point, I see that Bonta's actually leading in the polls by quite a bit, and he probably will be elected.

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Richie Greenberg: re-elected. So, he said he's just gonna have to work. You know, it happens all the time where you've got opposite party leaders that are in state governance, and he's just gonna have to work harder and find ways to cooperate and across the aisle.

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Richie Greenberg: And… and push and pressure, and I hope that that is what the case would be, because that's what, we see on a national level when you had in, like, for example, Trump administration in the first.

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Richie Greenberg: in Trump's first, term, where he is Republican and he himself was the president, but the Senate and the House was against him. So you have this constant fighting back and forth.

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Richie Greenberg: I'm hoping that if that is the case, that Hilton wins in November, and if Bonta wins, that there is a way that that could be, become a win-win for us, not a constant battle of trying to make change by Hilton, and

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Richie Greenberg: Bonton not wanting to go, as the chief prosecutor of the state, to not… to not want to go after and fix all the fraud.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I mean, it's gonna be… that'll be tough, that's gonna be up to him, but, you know, at this stage, we don't even know who's going to win. Right. So, I'm not endorsing anybody. I loved being at the event last night, because

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I like enthusiasm. I think it's really great to see people out there wanting to know more about a candidate, and asking really astute questions. And there was a little bit of drama, somebody popped up, and she said, you know, you're against Chad Bianco, and some dirty, some dirty politics with that, and it was…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It was a bit spicy.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: But that happens, but I'm grateful for it, because you don't… I don't think it's a good idea to go and, you know, just swallow everything that somebody is trying to feed you. Ask… ask the questions. Me, I walked away with a very good impression.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I didn't see anything… didn't I agree with everything? Absolutely not. When he was talking about… somebody asked about,

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Reproductive rights.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Okay, as governor, that's not something that he has control over. However, he did say he's pro-life. I'm pro-life too, but I'm also pro-choice, because pro-choice… it gets complicated. The point is… the point is, he's,

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: he doesn't hold the same position that I do on that.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And what does that have to do with anything? You're not… you are not going to find somebody who believes everything that you do, because the only person who does is yourself.

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Richie Greenberg: Huh?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, eventually, you're gonna have to bend and go, okay, well, I'm gonna plug my nose on this, and I'm gonna vote for that. But, it was really interesting. Loved the questions, loved the enthusiasm, but also loved skepticism, too. It was a really good show.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, now you, let's go to who else was there on stage, that, if you want to say, opened for him, and and who was this, who was this person?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Gloria Romero, my women's studies professor from San Diego State University, back in the day.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Who knew? Who knew that she was going to end up running for Lieutenant Governor of California? She was powerful then, she's powerful now. She was lovely then, she's lovely now. She's,

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: she was a Democrat for a very, very, very long time. I think all of her life, up until very recently, when she… when she crossed that line.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And, you know, she's got her reasons for it. I can tell you I know her just, historically. Thought she was quite brilliant, great.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: a great speaker, has great ideas. So I really, I really like Gloria. She's got an amazing daughter who's working for HUD, too, so…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, she's well… she's well-connected, smart.

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Richie Greenberg: And she was, a very,

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Richie Greenberg: And rallying the crowd.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, definitely, definitely. So it's such an interesting duo. They worked very well together, you know, when you look at it, these two were… they had really great, what is it called?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Not symmetry, what's that word?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: MSG, but they… but they had… they were good foils for each other.

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Richie Greenberg: And they riffed off each other, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: They did. They did. So it was a good show. It was a good show. What impressions did you have of.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, no, I, I agree, also. She carries herself well, and, and articulates her.

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Richie Greenberg: her, her positions, and works well as a support for Steve Hilton. Kept saying it's, it's a, the, the, like, a dream team

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Richie Greenberg: ticket, for governor and lieutenant governor. I don't know, do you… do they have… do you have to vote? This is… I should know this. Can you vote for one person for governor and a different person for lieutenant governor?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: But I could be wrong. Let's figure that out. Yeah, I can't believe I don't know.

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Richie Greenberg: I can't believe I don't know that!

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: But we're running out of time here, so what I do want to say is that I love impressions. You know, when you look around and you can… it's… this isn't data. These aren't numbers, statistics. Look around. There's a shift. There's an openness that I haven't seen before.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And you look at a whole room full of people.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: In San Francisco. It's a big room.

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Richie Greenberg: Right?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Who were eager to hear.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: From a Republican candidate in San Francisco?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: would… I don't believe that would have happened 2 years ago.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So… I'm not saying that we have a shift in terms of

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: San Francisco's turning red. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying… I felt…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And I've been feeling for a while, and openness.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: to listening to different perspectives that I haven't… that just didn't seem to be before, so that gets me excited, because I'm no party preference. I don't care. I don't… I don't do that. What I do do is I'm just obsessed

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: with… with hearing all perspectives, and then… and then trying to find the one that matches me best, what I think is going to be best for my community. So, loved seeing it last night, and I want to hear more. I want to hear more from different candidates, and go to different town halls. You know, are we gonna… right.

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Richie Greenberg: To, to seeing, you know, his performance, one-on-one, or one on a group, a town hall, compared to when he's on stage debating,

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Richie Greenberg: other candidates that are running for, governor, and there's been numerous already so far. He stands apart from the others, and the others are all…

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Richie Greenberg: very wishy-washy, but we'll… we'll analyze, we'll… we'll get around to see what's out there in future episodes.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, there's a lot to talk about, and as more and more of the candidates drop out, as we're seeing, they're resigning in disgrace, or they're just realizing that they don't have a chance. So, every couple of weeks, there's another candidate that drops out, so we'll see who.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Let's face… let's remember here. In June.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You're gonna be voting, and you're… I mean, we're gonna… we're gonna find out, and it's gonna be between two people. Is it going to be between two Republicans, Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Is there going to be none of them, and all the Democrat… oh, two of the Democrats.

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Richie Greenberg: That's a possibility, yep.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Or is there going to be a Republican and a Democrat? So, we're rolling the dice here.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep, yep, we don't know, and…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: No, no.

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Richie Greenberg: And as I said at the top of our, our, show, today, is that, early voting starts actually tomorrow, Monday, May 4th.

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Richie Greenberg: So you can go to City Hall, you can fill out the ballots, I've already gotten my mail-in ballot in the mail, arrived a couple of days ago. You can actually already start voting.

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Richie Greenberg: And, we will see very quickly who it is that gets eliminated. So, more than just who goes forward, who is it that is going to be eliminated.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, I'd like to make a comment about that, about early voting. I think it's…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: dangerous. And let me tell you why. Because anything can happen from Monday until June 2nd.

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Richie Greenberg: Yes.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: somebody can come out and they can say something so egregious, so terrible, you think, I already put my vote, I already voted, right? I don't want this guy, I don't want this woman, I don't want this person, right? So, I wait until the bitter ends.

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Richie Greenberg: Because it becomes a wasted vote. You've actually voted for someone who's actually not even in the race anymore.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Who does something that you don't like, who says something that you don't like, who partners with someone that you don't like.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, you may as well wait until the end.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep, okay. So on that note, Erica, let's wrap up our show today, and we thank all listeners and viewers if you see our video. You can get in touch with us, send an email to podcast at reallySFNews.com.

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Richie Greenberg: With questions, with comments, suggestions, or if you're someone that wants us to actually talk to you and maybe interview you, let us know as well, because we're always open to that.

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Richie Greenberg: You can find Erica on, on X, Twitter, Erica J. Sandberg, and me, Richie Greenberg. I'm at Greenberg Nation. And, Erica, any last, parting words?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I'm so incredibly grateful for people who… you're walking down the street, and you hear, love your podcast!

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I just want to say thank you, thank you, thank you, because…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: we're all in this together, and San Francisco's a funny, fun place, and… and it can be tragic, too. So, just any… just a great… it's… I'm grateful, so thank you so very, very much, Richie. It's always so much fun hanging out with you, too. Loved last night. That was great.

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Richie Greenberg: Haha, it is.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: More, better, faster, stranger, crazier. Let's do this.

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Richie Greenberg: That's right.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Really, San Francisco?

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Richie Greenberg: Really, San Francisco? Okay, we'll see everybody next time.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Bye-bye.