S3 E16: Saikat Rally, Fashion Show, Party on Embarcadero

Richie and Erica review this past week full of events: Congressional candidate Saikat Chakrabarti held a campaign rally featuring controversial Hasan Piker. There was a Fashion Show in Union Square. Erica stumbled upon a huge outdoor EDM Music dance on the Embarcadero near the Ferry Building, and more.

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Richie Greenberg: Hey, welcome everybody. It's Sunday, May 10th, and this is Really San Francisco, the podcast with my lovely co-host, Erica Sandberg. Hi, Erica.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Hello, Richie!

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Richie Greenberg: Hey there, so it's a great day. You're actually, traveling back to the city. You've been out, today, and, and, and what's, what's today? What's, on the calendar?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Mother's Day! So, hey, listen, everybody, happy Mother's Day, whatever your circumstances are, at some point in your life, you had a mom.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And, this is your chance to celebrate that person, or somebody else's, and and if you are a mom.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: This is your day, so enjoy.

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Richie Greenberg: That's it. Yes, and happy Mother's Day to you. And all the mothers out there.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Thank you, I had some donuts. Coming back from my mother-in-law. In Lodi, I've got a big ol' bag of, Lodi strawberries, which are the best in the world, in my opinion, and they're still hot from the field, so that's really nice.

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Richie Greenberg: Nice, nice.

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Richie Greenberg: Alright, so we've got an action-packed… we've got 4… 4 things to talk about in today's episode. We're, we'll just launch right in, okay? So, even though today's Sunday, a few days ago.

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Richie Greenberg: I think it was at Thursday night, talking about politics, there was a political rally, held in, Soma area, right? And that was,

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Richie Greenberg: held by one of the four main, four prominent candidates running for Congress, the House of Representatives, we've got, Scott Weiner, Shaikat Chakrabhati.

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Richie Greenberg: Connie Chan and Marie Harabiel, and so this was Shoika Chakrabati holding that town hall. And you were there, you were on hand outside, and what was that like? Tell us what the, what that whole environment was like.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, yeah, it was outside, it was south of Market area, 700 block of Harrison Street, if people are familiar with that area. A lot of nightclubs.

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Richie Greenberg: nightclub? Was it a nightclub that you just rented out? Yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah, yeah. Another club that has several different rooms, so you can do a larger space, a smaller space, a combination. I asked the security guards which space are they using?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And he… he told me that I think it was a space that maybe hold 500 people or so, and this is significant to this conversation, because there's a lot of a debate about how many people were actually there. I was there early, I think I got that around 5.30, and people were…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: getting dribbling in. It wasn't… it wasn't a lot of… there was… there was a line, you knew you gotta get in before, I think people were getting patted down. I actually thought… okay, but here's an important point, too, is…

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I wasn't interested in going inside. I had other things to do that night, so I was just more kind of just checking out the scene outside.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And I got a ticket. I thought, oh, I wonder how many tickets are available? It doesn't show you how many tickets are available, but I… while I was there, I just jumped on the website and ordered a ticket. I could have ordered 10 tickets, so it was…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: however it worked out, it was not sold out. So that's something, you know, I realized, and I totally understand, when you are campaigning, you want to… you wanna make it seem like, my gosh, you know, this is…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Standing room only, and, you know, people are jammed.

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Richie Greenberg: A mass, a massive, massive rally, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It was, you know, just…

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Richie Greenberg: It wasn't.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: people there. I'm not saying that there wasn't, but it was… I did not get the impression that it was thousands of people by any stretch of the.

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Richie Greenberg: Because we see, often, around the country, not just with national political figures, but even potentially state, there are

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Richie Greenberg: campaign rallies where you've got people that are waiting in it outside, you know, lined up for hours with the line stretching down the block. That was not the case here.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Not at all. And I think it really illustrates how important it is to have boots on the ground, because you can easily just defer to

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: whatever it is that they're reporting, or friendly media. If they're reporting it. So, just being there, I got the sense, yes, certainly there were people there.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: very often on this, or at least I haven't seen it, is that, yes, Hasan Piker, who was the main role. This is why people were there. You had… I spoke to a gaggle of girls in their mid-20s.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I said, what are you looking for? Are you super excited about Shycot? And, no, they were there to see us on Piker, and they were from San Mateo.

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Richie Greenberg: Right.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: there were quite a few people from, I would say my guesstimate, this is just a guesstimate here, this is about half the people who were not from San Francisco.

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Richie Greenberg: And that's very significant because, first of all, Hassan Piker, as we know, is a very controversial social media streamer who has really, really hardcore anti-Semitic and racist, sexist, ageist,

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Richie Greenberg: He's been getting a lot of heat lately, but he's been kind of like a darling of a certain segment of the Democratic Party.

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Richie Greenberg: But, anyway, he came…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Which is.

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Richie Greenberg: Which is very weird. So he came to town.

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Richie Greenberg: to support Shaikat Chakrabhati for his congressional race, but he seems to be the one that was the major draw, Hassan, not Shaikat Chakrabhati. And so if,

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Richie Greenberg: if there is a large number, a big percentage of people who attended this rally aren't from San Francisco,

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Richie Greenberg: then they don't get to vote in the election anyway. So, how helpful was that to Chicot? Probably not much.

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Richie Greenberg: And then also there was the exaggeration of how many people attended the rally, because, Shaikot's people were putting out, post-rally that 1,400, 1,400 people were there.

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Richie Greenberg: But we know that that can't be, because what you just revealed was that the room was pretty much… the capacity was 500.

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Richie Greenberg: And that, me and a colleague, we went through using AI to analyze video and audio.

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Richie Greenberg: freezes, not audio, sorry, still picture and video freeze of the rally, post-rally, and the AI multiple platforms estimate there was about maybe 400 people there. So, there's a big, a big disparity.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, because I did not go inside during the rally, all I can say is, I'll give you my impression, and that's… that was my impression. And then, something that's also important to note is that there were other people

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: On the… on the… the stage with him that he was advertising. And it's really important to think about this, because…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I believe that, from my… in my perspective, I don't think yours too, Richie, is Troycott is French. He is pretty… pretty hardcore. He doesn't… he's not really a Democrat. He wants to, in fact, change the Democratic Party to whatever it is that he's looking for, which is he's not technically

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Democratic Socialist. He's not on the… he's not DFA. However.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And I'm sorry, I'm in the car right now, and I am going to apologize, because it is… it's probably quite making you teasick if you're watching this. But, I don't have their names in front of me at the moment, but I did look up every person on that… who joined him on the stage, all of them, all of them, and there were things…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: 7 to 8?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: We're part of the DSA. So, I get a lot of pushback from people who say, Hassan, you know, he's a Democrat, he's not… he's not a socialist, he's not DSA. I'm like, you're right, he's not. He surrounds himself with people who are, and if it…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: swims with ducks, generally speaking, it's a duck. So, you know, and he has a right, he has a right to be whatever it is that he wants to be, but let's be honest here, he's… he's not a traditional by any stretch of the

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: imagination, a general… and he would say so himself, and he does say so himself. So, I find him to be a very… he does, he does, yeah. So, interesting rally, nobody… the protesters did not show up.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The counterpart…

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Richie Greenberg: protesters outside.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: testing.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, outside.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: But there was amusement, people were funny, people were happy, and honestly, it was. This was part of America being America, which is great. Get out there and support who you want to support. Enjoy.

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Richie Greenberg: And for that same, in that same way, you and I are able to see what we feel, how we, how we interpret things. And, yeah, it's a shame that you have this Democrat Party, then you've got a candidate, and others like him.

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Richie Greenberg: that don't want to work within the party. They don't want to even work with any other across-the-aisle kind of… that's the problem, that you've got…

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Richie Greenberg: candidates, and even those who have won, those who are in office, that, you know, to get things done, you have to work across the aisles. That's just how it is.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And…

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Richie Greenberg: candidate that doesn't want to work.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: either. He doesn't want to work with either. He wants to destroy his own. He wants to tear down that that's part of his marketing. He says, we have to remake the Democrat Party. Like, well, how about you just go with a different party? Because then that.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Thank you.

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Richie Greenberg: You're forcing the whole party now to go along with what you want, but the majority don't want that.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It's like going to a cocktail party that is with certain people, you're gonna have a certain type of event, right? And you arrive, and you say, okay, we're gonna go bowling.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Or we're going to serve a different food. Or we're going to have different conversations. Go start your own. Go have fun. I mean, why ruin…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I mean, I'm not a Democrat, I'm no party preference, but to me, it's a very ugly side to all of this.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep. All right, so now the segue from this kind of ugliness is what actually happened the next day. Friday, I attended a fashion show, which showed the beauty and elegance and,

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Richie Greenberg: And the designs of Halston, the iconic… one of the iconic American designers from the 1980s, 70s, and 80s.

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Richie Greenberg: And, so the fashion show was held right in Union Square, outdoors, right in the square itself in San Francisco. The organizers put up…

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Richie Greenberg: a U-shaped runway, and it had all the chairs on both sides of the runway, all the way around, right in the square, surrounding the big column that's in the center of the square.

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Richie Greenberg: And they had 10 different designers from the Academy of Art, that's the school here in the city, and those that were in fashion design made their own versions, their own interpretations of

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Richie Greenberg: Halston Designs, and then they had 10, models that were professional models.

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Richie Greenberg: Wore those designs and then paraded out.

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Richie Greenberg: And, it was, it was really interesting. It was, a lot of people were there. Every seat along the runway was, was occupied. There were dignitaries there. There was, nice speeches from, the, the, Union Square, Alliance and other, nonprofits were there.

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Richie Greenberg: So, this was a positive thing, this was a very interesting thing, to have fashion, you know, couture, high fashion.

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Richie Greenberg: in a town that is not known for being fashion-forward. And this is something that I then delved into and wrote about recently, right afterwards, to talk about how San Francisco

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Richie Greenberg: has been pretty much refusing to go along with what is dressing up to the nines, unlike other cities like New York and Paris and Milan.

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Richie Greenberg: Where they have Fashion Week, and people dress up for even the slightest

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Richie Greenberg: occasion. They don't mind wearing nice clothing, and instead, here in San Francisco, it's made casual and clothing the norm. And, what is your, what is your view on fashion here in San Francisco Erica?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It absolutely warms my heart when I see people who are dressed up. I love it so much. I…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I was trying… for a while there, especially during COVID, it was so depressing, everyone being indoors, no one going anywhere, doing anything, and I wanted to start a movement of formal Fridays.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And just get out there and wear your best, whatever it may be. I don't care what it is. Your gown, your prom dress, your wedding dress, your tuxedo, I don't care.

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Richie Greenberg: We weren't.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: The tuxedo.

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Richie Greenberg: You know, vagina!

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I'm wearing a tuxedo jacket right now. I know, I know, I know. It's just, it brings joy. It's, it's something that I…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: appreciate when other people do it. I try to do it myself, and I'll tell you, it was… I went to an event yesterday, last night.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And I wished I had dressed up, but I learned about it that evening while I was already out, but I saw people who were… who were decked out, so that really made me happy, but yeah, it's never since I'm not known as a fashionable fashion capital.

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Richie Greenberg: You know, what's interesting is that there are some people, and it's, you know, I'm just trying to generalize, and I think it's the younger generation, they think, they equate… now, maybe this is incorrect, but they often equate dressing up, meaning to dress in costume.

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Richie Greenberg: We're not talking about dressing in costume, to have, like, all glitzy disco stuff and fedoras that have all… no, we're talking about elegance. You know, like, like, like you were saying, like a tuxedo jacket and some elegant dress, and…

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Richie Greenberg: And, and, and jewelry.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You do see it sometimes. I mean, like…

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Richie Greenberg: Like, the symphony, the symphony that.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Oh!

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Richie Greenberg: Yes.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Absolutely, and I live, really, I live in Knoff Hill. I… going to the… to the old hotels, Fairmont.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Mark Hopkins, now the Huntington Hotel. Oh, for sure, you hang out around in Huntington Square long enough, you are going to see people dressed up and looking fine. Love it. And it's all about perspective, too, is when my daughter comes to this in San Diego right now, but she was born and raised in San Francisco, and she said.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Boy!

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: San Francisco, people dress up here, compared to San Diego. Really? So, it's all, yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: Oh, I don't know. Well, you know, in terms of the history of San Francisco, you have companies like Levi Strauss and others where they got their start with work clothes, making the denim, the jeans, the dungarees, and the rivets, and all of that.

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Richie Greenberg: because of the origin of San Francisco and California with the gold rush. So, it didn't,

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Richie Greenberg: You know, that's kind of like dressing down, dressing more rugged. Dressing utilitarian is where a lot of the origins of the clothing and fashion here. Although, as we know.

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Richie Greenberg: Back in the earlier 1900s, you have…

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Richie Greenberg: like a renaissance where people did start dressing more elegantly European style, and we had, in Union Square, now it's Nordstrom, but before that it was called

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Richie Greenberg: the, the city of Paris, and you had people that worked there, the women that worked there is where… that's where you would go and you'd have a lunch, a brunch, and women with the… with the gloves, the white gloves on, that would…

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Richie Greenberg: and not just working there, but anyone that would go there would have gloves on. That was the style in the 40s and 50s, right?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: You can see a lot of that, like, at Neiman Marcus, right? And there's the Rotunda, and it's, you know, the…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: the ladies, that lunch crowd, and they're still there, and they still look amazing. So, it does… it does exist.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, it does exist. And, you know, anyone that is listening now that is in the younger generations, if you want to,

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Richie Greenberg: you know, start dressing, more elegantly, you know, there's nothing wrong with that, it's actually refreshing and nice to see that. Go ahead, and maybe Eric and I, we can start a trend. Should we start a trend, and we can call it, like you said, Fashionable Fridays?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Let's… Formal Friday, let's…

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Richie Greenberg: Formal, I'm sorry, formal front.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Every day, walk out of your house in one of your nicest piece of clothing.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: What, what's the harm? What's the harm in doing that? So… but… but this is… this is who we are. I, I don't… I don't…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: you know, I don't put people down for what they want to wear, but I… to not…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I couldn't say this? I don't like to look like a schlub, but every once in a while, I do. I definitely do.

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Richie Greenberg: San Francisco has a reputation of people here dressing like slobs, more than schlub… slobs, and I sometimes, I add to that as well. I go out with a puffy jacket and shorts and flip-flops. And, you know, and people do that, right?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Sure, but now let's elevate this, because the next thing that happened was the next day, it was yesterday, it was a lovely day, Saturday.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I went to, the Embarcadero, right in front of the ferry building, just in Herman Plaza, and we saw the sculpture, Bill and Court Fountain, half taken away.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: It was just kind of funny, but what… what was right there was this huge… DJ.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: event. Beautiful Friday.

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Richie Greenberg: I think it was owned.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Saturday, 5 o'clock.

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Richie Greenberg: It was Own Records, record party annual, or some celebration. And it was EDM, right? It was electronic.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: So, yeah.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: I didn't even know it was happening, but it was nice to happen upon it, and it was great to see so many people looking happy, families, you know, it was… it was a real…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: melange of people, mishmash. And it was great, it was great to see, great to go by. There was also a Giants game. We were trying to find a place to grab a drink, and it was, it was, there's no room at the inn, kind of thing, so I'm about to go into a tunnel, so it might be a little bit dark, just wanted to invite you.

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Richie Greenberg: Okay, I hope we don't lose you, you're on your cell phone. But, yeah.

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Richie Greenberg: But it's, it was actually very interesting, the last few days here in San Francisco, because it's been, you know, for years, everyone's been down on the city, we've been down on the city.

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Richie Greenberg: But, you know, it's… it's changing. It is, the locals, the attitudes, from what I can tell, we do have that little bit more of, it's not so much all doom and gloom.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Absolutely, and in fact, we ended the evening at… on Belden Alley, which was

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Back in the 90s, early 2000s, it was where you went to see and be seen. Beautiful alley with different types of restaurants. You had French and Italian and…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Russian, various… it was just so exciting and so beautiful, and then COVID hit, and everything kind of fell apart. But, it's back, and we went…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Tiramisu is the, the restaurant. They literally move from one space to the next to a bigger space, more beautiful, more open, and then…

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Richie Greenberg: And did they have tiramisu? Did they have tiramisu?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Dude!

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Richie Greenberg: Did you have your favorite.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Is there… I hate tiramatu.

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Richie Greenberg: Hate it. Hate it! I know, I love it, I love it. Okay, I'm gonna have to go there.

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Richie Greenberg: I'll leave for you.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: There was a red carpet, which I didn't expect. Literally, I was in jeans, and I looked.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Definitely was not dressing for the, for the occasion, but I had just learned about it as I was out and about. But, ran smack into, Dumb Mayor. Willie Brown was there.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Looking great, looking fine, as he always does. I offered to buy him a drink, and he said he was on his way out to some other event. I mean, the man has more energy, I don't know how he does it. Whatever, that's what it is.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Beautiful, beautiful event. Pino is the owner. I would say definitely go in. The food is great.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Just really good moods all around, so it was really nice to see a resurgence.

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Richie Greenberg: Alright, awesome. So on that note, we're going to,

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Richie Greenberg: I think that that's… that wraps it up. We.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Yay!

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Richie Greenberg: It, you know, sometimes time just flies when we talk about, good things instead of being down on the city so much, and I encourage everyone to just, you know, look for all the good that we have here. It's a beautiful city.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And thank you for listening. As always, we value you tremendously. Richie and I just couldn't be more thrilled that you tune in every week. Absolutely love it. So, until next time, oh, remember, reach out to us. You have questions, you've got comments, you have suggestions, you have tips.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Definitely.

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Richie Greenberg: Yep.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: reach out to us. The easiest… the easiest way for me to reach me is on X. You want to go… if you're on that platform, Erica J. Sandberg, you can find me there. Richie, what's the best way?

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Richie Greenberg: I'm there.

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: other way.

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Richie Greenberg: Yeah, so you can also go, if you're on Twitter, X, I'm at Greenberg Nation, but you can also write to us an email at podcast at reallySFNews.com, and we have the website reallysfnews.com, so it's podcast at

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Richie Greenberg: ReallySFNews.com, so…

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Richie Greenberg: signing off from Studio B over here in San Francisco, and Erica is somewhere out there in the East Bay, driving back, and we look forward to another fun episode coming up shortly, so…

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: And remember, really different things.

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Richie Greenberg: How does this go?

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Erica Jennifer Sandberg: Bye, everyone.