Why is this episode different to all other episodes?

Because it's the Pesach Special ya'll. 

Why do secular Jews love Passover so much? Is there archeological proof that the red sea parted? What happened to the Israelites who stayed in Egypt instead of following Moshe and Miriam’s tambourine? Why did Shoshana get accosted at the local kosher supermarket over mayonnaise? Lots of funny answers, anecdotes and sincere boomer appreciation in this very special episode of Ashamed to Admit. 

This episode was filmed and edited by Alleyway Productions 

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The vocalist in the theme song is Sara Yael 

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Transcript

Shame-Free Questions And Pesach Timing

SPEAKER_00 0:00

A shame to ask, ashamed to admit, got dewy, dewy questions. This is it, this is it. Why is wicked simple or unsure how to ask? We'll open up the books, the ark will open up your cynical heart. No such a thing as a dumb question. Okay, that's mostly true. Tammy and Shoshana are here for you. Ashamed to admit.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Ashamed to ask. It's everything you didn't get in Jewish Studies class.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Hello. Hey! Welcome to Asham to admit. I'm Tammy Sussman.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

I'm Shoshana Gottlieb Becker. And it is the day before Pesach. Sure is. It is. Or it's the day before Air of Pesach, according to our show notes. I don't really keep up with the release schedule of this, I'm not gonna lie. I just get surprised by what gets released week to week. You're not supposed to be providing all these beaks behind the people like the background, they like to feel like they know what's going on. We did record this episode a few weeks in advance. I'm sorry, do the people think that I'm spending my air of paysach in a like recording with you?

SPEAKER_03 1:19

Some people like the theater.

Chametz Explained And Cleaning Chaos

SPEAKER_02 1:21

I'm getting ready. What are you cleaning, Shoshana? My kitchen. How come? Because it's because Pesach. Yep. I've got to get rid of the chumutz.

SPEAKER_03 1:30

Alright, and we have some listeners who aren't Jewish who may not know what the chumetz is.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

So chametz is anything that has leavened bread in it. And so it's uh your pastas, your breads, uh, anything, what what's the other forms of bread? Toast. Bagels. What about crackers? Crackers, yes. But then it's also kind of anything that is not made for pesach is considered chamit. So like vegemites chemits because it has yeast in it. Also, probably Nutella because you've dipped your spoon into it. You know what I mean? So you have to get the Pesach specific products, otherwise it's considered chamit.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Well, you do. Not all Jews do.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

People who follow Pesach will have to do that.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Bit of a hassle, but some say worth Oh, you mean buying enough specialty food to feed 3,000 people for a holiday that lasts for one week? Yeah, bit of a hassle. People who install secondary kitchens in their home. Bit of a hassle.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

That is cuckoo banana pants. It's crazy. Maybe you guys watching and listening, maybe you're listening while you are physically making some matzo balls on the day before ERF Pesach.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

If you've left your matziballs until the day before Pesach, I'm sorry, but you need to be better at time management.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

Really? I think that's the best way to get them fresh. Okay. No, you don't need to.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

I reckon if you can freeze them.

SPEAKER_03 3:06

Then they have that defrosted flavor.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

No, my mum makes the best matzi balls.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Yeah, but your mum doesn't listen to this podcast, so she doesn't count. Maybe you're listening to this while you're driving back from work and your sisters are helping your mum do all the prep and you're not doing anything because you're a man.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Or like you're on a grocery run for the 15th time because someone forgot the parsley again. You know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:31

But let's be honest, the boomer mums are doing the most work for Seder. Oh, yeah. Pass over Seder this year.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Because they're still hosting everyone. It hasn't reached that next generation yet. It hasn't.

SPEAKER_03 3:44

Like I even have one of my questions for you today was will there even be Saders when the Boomer mums pass? I think so. Well, it depends how much people care. I think people care a lot. They just don't have the same strength and resilience as the boomer mums.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

I think that if you if you want it to continue, you'll find a way to make it happen.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

I think what will probably happen is there'll be more of like subscription food delivery type vibes for people don't want that.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

People want that their family recipes. I just think at a certain point you you hit an age and you say, Well, she's not gonna do it, I've got to do it. It's up to me. And you've got to figure it out. And if you don't do it, then I'm sorry, but it dies.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

Yeah. At some point I'm gonna say about to make such a bad joke. What were you about to say? I was gonna say it dies along with your mum, probably. Oh my god, that is terrible. Almost as bad as what I was gonna say. Which is I was gonna say, at some point, you just you come to realise that you're the person that has to stick your hand up the chicken's ass.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Yeah, at a certain point, I mean Sky and I are having this conversation already in terms of they will reach a point where instead of, you know, on the first night, us both going, me to my mum, her to her dad, we'll just have to have them both over to our house. And then we become the boomer mums. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:08

Any day now, really. Is that when we get to start using slurs? Yes. Yeah. That's when you get to start being racist. Nice. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Hooray! Something to look forward to.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

So wherever you're l wherever you are in the world, wherever you're listening to us.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

However racist you are, kidding.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

None of our followers are racist. None. Absolutely none. We're here for you. We're gonna fill in some gaps today. Some Passover Seda gaps, some Pesach, some Pesach gaps, adjacent gaps.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

All of the questions you asked me had to do with Pesach.

Family Seder Customs And Haggadah Lore

SPEAKER_03 5:45

Okay, so some very overt Pesach knowledge. Yes. Well, I have a question for you before we start. Yeah, go for it.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

What is your favorite holiday custom that your family has around Pesach?

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Has present tense or past tense? Either. I can tell you my mum's favorite. That's what I asked. Okay, my mum's, not mine. Around 15 years ago, I rewrote the Passover story using Australian slang. Love it. And she fucking loves that story so much that she photocopies it every year. She loves this story. You know how you sometimes read something you've read 15 years ago and you cringe a little bit? Like this story has aged well, but I really would like us to move on. Why don't you rewrite it? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

Offer a her new like offer a new one.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

Because as you would say, I don't have the bandwidth. Yeah, that's fair. I will send you the story though. I think it is pretty good. It's pretty good. Um my least favorite holiday custom from the past is we used to have family friends. I guess they're still my parents' family friends. They were much more religious than us. Okay. And it was the kind of thing that we used to feel really self-conscious about our level of Judaism and how it lacked in comparison to theirs. And they used to make us sit through the whole story, and I wasn't even allowed to like draw or doodle or anything, and I wasn't allowed to pick at anything on the plate because they were quite proper. Yeah. So yeah, that was like the worst, I guess, custom that my butt and then my sister and I got to the age and we were like, we can't do this anymore. Like the host used to correct our pronunciation of Hebrew and like that's just not a very good host. She meant well. I think she thought she was doing the right thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

And she made you read in Hebrew.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

Well, yeah, if it came to our turn and we went to a Jewish school, so we were learning.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

That's what I was gonna say. My one of my favorite things that my family does is that we share the reading around the table. But you can read it in whatever language you want. We don't coerce anyone to read it in Hebrew. Yeah. And I think it's important. Like the the point of the Seda is that it's making the story accessible for children or for the people at the table. And so if the access is reading it in English, then it should be read in English. The 90s were rough. So you weren't born. Tell me about it. I was alive in the 90s for five of them. Yeah. The five of the nineties. Yeah, well, the the 90s. Four and a half, because I was born midway through 95. Okay. When were you born? Bit of an overshare. When were you born?

SPEAKER_03 8:21

87.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

My god, that's so old.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

That's like that's wow. Are you okay?

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Clearly not, because Siri keeps sending you messages with the instruction as part of the message. You gotta figure that one out. Can you help me?

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Yeah, maybe after this I'll look at your phone for you.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

And what about yours? Am I supposed to be throwing back to you about your best and worst customs?

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Um, I suddenly have forgotten every custom we have. My I've been using the same Hagata, like the book that we follow for the Seda, since I was maybe five. And so it's got like foul crumbs from mutzes from 20 years ago. Literally like 25 years worth of grape juice stains and mutzes. Thank you. And sometimes you open it and you can see those little like book mites like wiggling around.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

And I go, Oh well, I only use it twice a year. Um, so that's what I that's my favorite, is my favourite haggada.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

Okay. Yeah. Seeing the maggots, great. I love it. Okay. Maggots, they're mites. Mites. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Okay. So should we get into it? Should we get into the flesh of today's episode?

SPEAKER_02 9:33

You had a bunch of questions. I did. And then I answered them, and then I forgot that I had answered them. And I was like, did I prepare for this episode? But I had prepared for this episode.

Why Secular Jews Still Keep Pesach

SPEAKER_03 9:43

I some that happens to me quite often where I thank past tense Tammy for what she did to help present tense. It doesn't happen that often, but when it does. My first question for you, I was interested in your insight because it feels like to me as a secular Jew, Pesach, otherwise known as Passover, it's certainly more the festival that I guess observe the most. Right. Which seems strange to me, but I feel like other secular Jews who kind of dip in and out, this is one that they tend to subscribe to. I I've been thinking this through since you've said it.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

Also in the past, I've been thinking about it in general. Because I do think it's really interesting that the most secular Jew is still like, I gotta do Pesach. Yeah. I think it's threefold. Okay. Number one, historically, it's been really important in terms of the religious aspect and keeping the laws of Pesach. There's this thing called caret uh being cut off from the rest of the Jewish people. And two, and no one knows exactly what caret is or what that looks like in terms of your soul being cut off from the rest of the Jewish people. But in the Torah, it tells us that one of the things that you get caret for is not keeping Pesach properly and eating chemits on Pesach. And so I think part of it is the generational trauma of my ancestors took this so seriously, my great-grandparents in the Sheddel took this so seriously. That, like, you know what I mean? You feel the importance that your family has placed on this for generations, dating back to that point. Right. I think that it's the truly the most distilled form of generational trauma in the sense of because your mom's making a really big deal out of this, because her mum did, and her mom did, and her mom did, etc. I also do think that cultural intensity is even more intensified around food-based things. 100%. And I also think on the flip side, it's why sometimes when people stop being religious, one of the last things I've noticed that are really the the line that's really hard for people to to cross over is eating a cheeseburger, eating a bacon. Because it's not just the religious thing, but it's your home. It's the food that your mum makes and letting go of that kind of thing. And so I think that Pesach is really important for people because it's the food that's on the table, it's the matzah, it's the charosset, it's the marur, and it's it's such a sensory experience that it feels more alive for people than other holidays might. But none of this is grounded in fact. This is just me based off vibes or how I think it's gotten to that point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

Okay, so how do you think it got to the point of uh in the Pesach story or the Exodus story, we're told that the Jews had to leave, or they weren't Jews yet, they were Israelites.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Yeah, I use it synonymously, but the Israelites, yeah.

How Strict Rules Became A Lifestyle

SPEAKER_03 12:43

That the Israelites had to leave Egypt, they had to leave pretty quick, so quick that they didn't even have time for their bread to rise in their pizza ovens. So it was flat, and that's why we eat matzah. So, how did it go from that, like, hey, let's eat matzah, to we need to get rid of every single trace of pretzel in our house. Like, why so anal retentive?

SPEAKER_02 13:09

So the Torah also tells us that we have to get rid of our khumets. That's a Torah-given thing. So it's not just that we're given matzah, but also we're given the commandment not to eat leavened bread. So we have both of those things happening. And I think people just desire, like, really religious people want to keep mitzvot really well. They want to keep those commandments to the utmost level they can. Teaches pets. Yeah. But also it's a it's a social signal. I belong in this community because I'm doing, you know, what everyone around me is doing as well. Right. I think that so people get really fixated on being what we call like extra machmir, right? You're extra focused on doing the right thing. Um I also think that when you live in a society that doesn't necessarily cater for Jewish life, you have to go out of your way to make sure that you're doing it well. Right. So, my example of that is that back in the Shtetl, right, uh you didn't have all of these processed foods. So you kind of were just throwing away your bread from that you were eating that week. And you would clean your dishes really well, and you would go down to the corner, and there'd be a guy with a huge boiling vat of water, and you'd dip all your utensils in it, and then you were done, and and you cleaned your house, and everything was fine. And that's what PESAC was. We live in an increasingly more complex world, and so at the the processes we go through also become increasingly more complex. I don't necessarily live in a neighborhood where there's a guy with a boiling vat on the corner. Maybe it's actually easier that I just get my own second set of cutlery for Pesach, and that's what I use on Pesach, and I'll lock up the rest of my cupboard. And also, I'm not just eating bread for every meal. I also have pasta, I have crackers, I have veggie mite with yeast in it, like we said before. I have all of these we we live in the most overly abundant age of human civilization. Yeah. And so it also means that we have to get rid of more food, but also we've set these standards of living for ourselves. So the amount of food I have to buy is also I have to buy the cereals, I have to buy all of these processed Pesach specific foods instead of just living off fruit and vegetables for a week. So I don't know, it's it's yeah.

Red Sea Proof And Why It’s Moot

SPEAKER_03 15:26

That answer surprised me. I thought you were just gonna say because uh Jews are uh cooked.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

No, I think it's it's something cooked sociologically happening. Okay. I also here's a little insight for you. I worked at Krinsky's for like five or six years.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

Can you please tell our overseas listeners and viewers what Krinsky's is?

SPEAKER_02 15:49

Krinski's is the main or the only kosher supermarket in Sydney. I have seen I have seen grown women cry over lack of margarine. I have been verbally abused for not having the right kind of milk that someone was expecting for Pesach. I have seen people at their craziest. Um, I've seen a rabbi who is so again, machmi, he's so careful about how he keeps and not having any chemets in his house. He brings garbage bags and lines the trolleys with garbage bags, puts his pesach stuff in on top of the garbage bags, and then won't let it touch the counter. So he'll pass you each individual item and then put them in his bag afterwards so it doesn't touch any of the surfaces. I'm sorry. That's it's over the top. It is, but if that brings his life meaning, what am I gonna do about it?

SPEAKER_03 16:40

You're right, as long as it's not hurting other people.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

And you know, and he the thing is, he's not forcing his wife to do that. He's coming in doing the shopping. Hmm. Snaps.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

Yeah, no, she's definitely she's definitely complaining about that in her WhatsApp. No, but that's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

I think that she's just as in it's not just men who are invested in Jewish life. Yeah. I think she's just as invested.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

Okay. I know we're supposed to just for the religious. I know we're supposed to say no judgment. Like I'm totally judging. But I know that they're also judging me for not doing it. And I'm judging myself.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Some people I think that's the key. I think you are, you know, putting your the your own sense of judgment and shame of yourself onto them judging you.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

Because I'm a carrot.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

I think you're a carrot?

SPEAKER_03 17:31

Yeah, I'm carrot. I'm I don't keep Passover, so I'm excommunicated.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

I'm like, because your glasses are orange?

SPEAKER_03 17:38

Like a carrot? Caret. Carret. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

You're a carrot, yeah. I'm like, it's an orange shirt, I guess. I don't know what it has to do with pacing.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Alright. Are we ready to move on, or are you gonna accuse me of being judgmental again?

SPEAKER_02 17:53

I you said it.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

I did, so I accused myself. But you've you validated that. Fact check. You justified that.

SPEAKER_02 18:01

Yeah, I don't know. I I have so many neuroses about so many things, I can't be angry about people having Pesach neuroses. That's true. You know?

SPEAKER_03 18:11

If it floats your boat, let it happen. All right. That's what I say. I'm neurotic about other things, like if my friend's kid vomited, then they cannot go anywhere near my children for 48 hours. Yeah, so do I. I have a metaphobia.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Is that the fear of vomit? Yeah. Do you have a fear of the sound? Everything. Have you seen there's this girl on TikTok and her husband has those like the wow sticks and he makes that sound and she like gags every time?

SPEAKER_03 18:42

No, I haven't seen that. It hasn't come across my new page. Next time I see it, I'll send it to you. Please don't. Alright, we're moving on. What's your next question? My next question is I have seen some evidence in inverted commas from what appears what people are claiming is evidence. That the Red Sea? It's the Red Sea, right? The one that which one parted? Not the Dead Sea. The Red Sea? The Yumsuf. I just know the Hebrew names. What is it? The Yumsuf. Okay. That the sea that parted, that let the Jews out of Egypt, apparently there's some kind of evidence. There's archaeological proof that the sea parted. Is that true?

SPEAKER_02 19:29

There's like one guy, one time, who made a documentary about how all of the ten plagues are, you can ground them in archaeology and geography and history. I think he gets torn to shreds by every other major historian in the world. Yeah. So no? I don't. I personally don't think there's archaeological evidence that I've seen is proof enough. Me an archaeologist, like nothing. I don't know. I also don't think it matters if the story that's big. This is my big take. I don't think it matters if the story's true or not. And if your belief and your religious identity and your cultural identity hinges on whether something happened or not, then like I don't think you're doing Jewish life properly. Yeah, or religion properly. Yeah. I think whether it happens or not, it has informed our collective consciousness for like thousands of years. And that's as important as the facts on the ground. You know, I don't care if it happened, I care how the story has informed my people ever since. Because that's that's the story to me. Okay. How how has being an ex-slave shaped how we think about the world? That's the story. You know? I do know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

I think being an ex-slave has shaped the Jewish collective consciousness like in a huge way.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

And ex I I agree. And I so I don't think that it's about whether it happened or not. I think it's well, what do we do now? How do we take that part of our identity into the world around us? And how does it shape how we interact with it and what we do and how we act? And have done so for 2,000 years or something.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

Is that how many years have passed?

SPEAKER_02 21:19

No, because 2,000 years only takes us to like Christ. It's been like 4,000 years, I think. Okay. I don't know. I'm not good with time. You'll learn that very quickly.

Who Stayed In Egypt After Exodus

SPEAKER_03 21:29

I feel sane. All right. What happened to the Israelites who stayed in Egypt, or was it total? Because surely there were the Israelites there. Miriam's got her tambourine. She's saying, Yala, everyone, let's get out of here. Surely there are a few of the oppositional defiant variety who are like, No, I'm staying here. Like, I'm not following you. Are you crazy?

SPEAKER_02 21:54

So, great question. Loved this question. Rashi, our best friend Rashi, he Says that only one fifth of the Israelites left. What? And that four fifths of them stayed in Egypt. And what happened to them? The story doesn't follow them. The story's not about the people who get left behind who decide not to follow God. The people are the like the story is the people who took the chance, believed in God, experienced mass revelation after Har Sinai, and then went on and lived their lives in the land of Israel.

SPEAKER_03 22:27

Okay, who would you have been? The one who stayed in the world.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

Oh, that's a scary question. I don't like that question. Because you know what? The question is, is what would Sky have been? Because I just would have done what Sky did.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Oh, really? Yeah. So should I?

SPEAKER_02 22:41

I'm like you choose, baby. I don't know. Can you Ibn Ezra, who is another commentator, saw that Rashi said only one fifth left, and he said, How dare you? They all left. And so there's a bit of broiger. The girls are fighting. Anyway, so there's a lot of different opinions. How many left, how many stayed. Okay. But the point is that if any of them did stay, they're just not a part of the story anymore.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

I wonder what happened to them if they did stay, like parrots. Did they did they continue practicing Judaism? Did they that's the thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:16

Our conception of Judaism is post-this. And so it could have been they were just a slave class. They didn't they didn't receive the Torah on Har Sinai. They didn't receive the oral Torah. They uh weren't given land, they didn't have they wouldn't have had a cultural identity outside of our great-great-grandparents came to this land. Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel really sad for them.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Yeah, they're sad.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Well, don't think well, even Ezra says that they don't exist, so it's fine.

Miriam’s Tambourine And Women’s Faith

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Okay, let's go with that. Yeah. So Miriam, who aforementioned Miriam, who said, come on guys, let's go with her tambourine. Why do people froth over Miriam and her tambourine so much?

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Who doesn't love a good tambourine sesh, firstly?

SPEAKER_03 24:05

Firstly.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Who doesn't love just bang one out on the ch chch chch ch chch ch, you know?

SPEAKER_03 24:12

Can't relate. Can't relate. You don't like a tambourine sesh? I'm not a fan, it's too stimulating for me.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

Hey, in the comments, if you like a good tambourine sesh, let us know below.

SPEAKER_03 24:25

Do you know Miriam and her role in this story was not even in my radar having gone to a modern Orthodox Jewish school. Yeah. Never. Miriam was not.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

I'm not gonna lie, it's not such a big part of the story, but it's a really important part because what happens is the sea splits and they cross the ocean. And I think to answer your question, I think people love it because it's a prime example and unfortunately like a rare example of proactive women in Tora Text. And it's not just Miriam. She says, Come on, ladies, get your tambos out. And when you think it through, and this is what the rabbis talk about, is you're packing your essentials. You don't have time. You've got your matza, you've got all of your baby's clothes, you've got, you know, you're packing, you're in charge of the whole household and you're packing it up. But you make sure to take your tambourine with you in case the opportunity to praise God comes. And so the rabbis look at Miriam's song and they're like, actually, the Jewish women have more faith in this moment than the men probably do, because they are they're ready for a party, they're ready to see this through to the end and celebrate on the other side. That's beautiful. Yeah. And there are also rabbis, I think, who say I can probably fact-check myself on this, but I think there's people, or there's analysis of the text because Miriam Miriam has her song, and then Moshe also has his song. Okay. And so there are commentators and different analyses that say that he kind of plagiarized her song and that she had got all the women up, and it was sort of this impromptu thing. And then he's like, That's a great idea. I'm gonna call a meeting and also walk everyone through this song. So that's also what I've read in various places. Also, Debbie Freeman made a cover of it, and or not a cover, but like she released a song of Miriam's tambourine, and everyone's like, This shit's laps.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Yes. We love Debbie. I saw that this year, I'd never seen that before. Debbie Friedman isn't really an Australian icon.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

Yeah, very much ref American conservative reform group. But I will say the craziest thing, this has nothing to do with anything. The craziest thing to me about Debbie Friedman is the universality of her havedallah. Okay. Because if you do not know who she is, you've still heard her have dullah tune. It's the nine nine na na na nine nine nine na na na you know it. Is that her? That's her. And it it has crossed oceans and denominations to the point that frorthodox people sing that tune.

SPEAKER_03 27:03

Oh, do they know that they're singing her tune? Yes, because I'm a fact-check.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Uh I the other day found there's this really big Jewish singer from From Guy, and he has this Shabbas album, and he does all of the Shabbas songs, and he has her version on it. He calls it the Shabbat Nigun, which is a Hasidic song.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

It's her version, and she's listed in the song credits because she wrote the song. Does she get royalties? I think she's dead.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Oh. Are you sure or you think?

SPEAKER_02 27:36

I'm 99.999.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

Okay, well, does her estate get royalties?

SPEAKER_02 27:41

I assume. I don't know how that's the point.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

I'm bummed about the fact that every time someone sings it, she's not getting royalties.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

I mean, mostly because when people are singing it, she died in 2011.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

That's really sad.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

When people are singing it, they're singing it at camp. They're not releasing official recordings of it.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

We have one final question, and that's a question that you're gonna ask me.

Seder Plate Props And Hot Cross Buns

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Oh, let me find it. Ask Tammy what her friend once brought to a Seder. We haven't even talked about the Seder plate that you brought with. You're so good at props. Thanks.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

No one has ever given me that compliment before. Props on the props. Thanks. You're so good at props. For the people this is.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Is it not that you lose you use this with your family? No, I don't. So where'd you get it?

SPEAKER_03 28:26

From my grandmother. It's ornament, it's ornamental.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

Oh, so yeah. Useless.

SPEAKER_03 28:31

Yeah. Which usually it's just hung. So Shoshana's referring to a Seder plate that comes all the way from Israel. She's holding it up to the camera, and it's my grandmother's Seder plate, but I don't think she ever used it.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

But it literally says Israel on it.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Yeah. It's just, yeah, I think it's just like a souvenir from Israel. Cute. So I love that. One of the things that I love what my family do do or used to do, and we had more bandwidth before my sister and I had kids, is we would invite randoms to Seder, enthusiastic Gentiles. Bye-bye. Um, including some friends who grew up in New Zealand, not Jewish, but went to the Jewish school in Auckland because it was a great school. And they just loved coming to Seder because they got to eat the food that they did at their presentation, Seders. Um, but then another year I brought my friend Haley. Shout out to Haley. I don't know if you listened to this podcast, but you will now. Great, great energy, Haley. Good vibe, surfy, grew up in um coastal towns, not cities in New South Wales. And she was invited to Seda. We were about early 20s. Um, she said, What can I bring? I said, Don't bring anything, but if you need to, like my mum likes flowers. She's like, Should I bring wine? I'm like, no, Jews, we're not real drinkers. Um, guess what she brought? Bread along that vein. A baguette. Nope. Whiskey. Think about the time of year that hot crust buns. She brought hot crust buns. That's really funny.

SPEAKER_01 30:11

Two Seder.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

That's really funny. Isn't that adorable? That's really cute. Yeah. I've had I grew up in like adjacent to the Chabad community. And so it's all about welcoming people in who don't have Seders. And so I've heard stories of people bringing whiskey, which is made out of, you know, grains. Yeah. And then being like, oh my god, thanks so much. And then just like putting it in a bedroom and locking the door until after Pes Up or something.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Covering it in foil and garbage bags.

The Charme Post That Sparks Rage

SPEAKER_03 30:39

It's time to move on to our favourite part. What are we calling the segment today?

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Uh Charme.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

Charme. Today's Charme comes from a group, Facebook group, in New South Wales, Australia. And the poster, who is a what's the word for someone who does something chronically?

SPEAKER_02 31:04

Like a He's my he's one of my nemeses. Genuinely. I have WhatsApp groups dedicated to hating this man.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

Do we call them a chronic poster? A what's a regular overshare?

SPEAKER_02 31:17

Okay. Yeah, chronic is a good word for it. Right. Always in this bloody group. Okay. And he I also want to clarify the WhatsApp group isn't dedicated specifically to him, but he comes up a lot. Okay. He posted. Am I reading it? Yeah. The top one?

SPEAKER_03 31:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

On a trip to New York, I had dinner one night in a kosher style deli. There was a Chinese family, parents and two kids, all enjoying a bowl of Mutzabl soup at the table across from me. Smile emoji.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

Why did you choose this one?

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Why do you like this one so much? Firstly, I chose this one for this episode because it is it does include Mutzabl. When this, when I saw this, I was like, this man is in a New York kosher style deli, and he's seeing a Chinese family eating Mutzable soup, and he thinks that is significant enough that he needs to go out of his way to post that on a Facebook group. Has this man never seen Jewish families eating at Chinese restaurants?

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Has this man never thought of the concept that Chinese people also have soups with dumpling type fried or like just doughy textures inside of it?

SPEAKER_03 32:35

It just makes no sense. It makes no sense. Yeah, it makes no sense. But then it feels oddly like almost racist. That's what I mean. Yeah. The comments are also just the second comment by the second man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Like not the response, but the one underneath it.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

So I hate this. You I don't want to read it, you read it.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

The first time Marilyn Munro tried matzo ball soup, she said, can you eat any other part of the matzo?

SPEAKER_02 33:04

I hate that because firstly, congratulations on making a joke that is a thousand years old. Yes. And thinking you are the first person to make that joke. Secondly, Marilyn Munro was Jewish. She converted to Judaism in order to marry one of her husbands.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

And so I don't think it's funny to make fun of a Jewish woman in this way. Or a non-Jewish woman in this way. Yeah. Grow up. Yeah. Go talk to a woman and then come talk to me.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

I'm also angry at the woman who then just posted the laughter. The clip art of someone clapping hands. Someone clapping hands. Yeah. Like, don't encourage this person. Encourage it.

Credits And Listener Callouts

SPEAKER_02 33:50

You brought one that just made us so angry. I know. It's supposed to be a fun segment. Sorry. That's it for today's show. You've been watching and also listening to maybe Ashamed to Admit with me, Shoshana Gottlieb Becker, and my simple son, Tami Sossman. I am. You need to think more highly of yourself. Every time.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

This episode was brought to you by the Jewish Independent with Aliway Productions. The vocalist in our theme song is Saria L. More credits in the show notes.

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SPEAKER_03 34:32

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SPEAKER_02 34:38

That was su such an aggressive Hug Samayach.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

Well, I already made the Scomo Chug Samaach joke last year, so. Chug Samayach. Yeah. Okay, bye.