Are Jews "Drinkers?"

Are Jews “drinkers?” What began as a throwaway comment in a previous episode, blew up and into an online debate. So Shoshana and Tami go back to the texts, to uncover what Judaism has to say about the topic. Plus, someone in a Jewish Facebook group attempts to support a hospitalised friend ... in an unconventional way. 

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Transcript

Shame, Questions, And Banter

SPEAKER_00 0:00

A shame to ask, a shame to admit, got dewy, dewy questions. This is it, this is it. Why is wicked simple or unsure how to ask? We'll open up the books, the ark will open up your cynical heart. No such a thing as a dumb question. Okay, that's mostly true. Tammy and Shashana are here for you. Ashamed to admit. Ashamed to ask.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

It's everything you didn't get in Jewish studies class. Hello everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Asham to admit presented by the Jewish Independent. I'm Tammy Sussman. With me is my acquaintance and co-host, Shoshana Gottlieb. And what else?

SPEAKER_01 0:51

And most loyal defender in Instagram real comments, perhaps. That's true. You did stand up for me. Mostly I stood up for a concept that I backed. Okay. Like I yes, anded you in the episode because I agreed with your statement. And then everyone came for you because you said it. Yeah. And then you And then I and then you were just like not responding. In the fight or flight, you float. You flew. That's pretty true.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

And I fought. Yeah, you did. And you somehow managed to find a way to be my defender whilst reminding me of our low status friendship. Because you said to the trolls, stop being mean to my acquaintance. I peppered that in there. That was a joke, by the way. I know. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

That was a joke.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

I like it. I also like something else that you do. I don't know if you've noticed this. You don't correct the spelling of my name in captions. And I think that's a good thing. I don't correct any spelling in any caption ever. I am lazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

I'm so lazy. I'll only do it in stories. If you have this is like an insider tip. If you put captions on a story through Instagram, it will bleep out any swear words. Right. I don't like to be censored. And also the beep sound is annoying. It's like a censory thing. Anyway. And so I always just like add back in the swear word. Um, so it's always saying everything incorrectly. All right. So it's not personal. No, you should still take it as a personal slide.

The Reel That Sparked Outrage

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Okay. That reel in question was something that was posted to the Jewish Independent social media pages. We thought it would be an innocuous clip or just a cute clip having a laugh about the fact that a friend of mine some years ago brought hot crust buns to Seda.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

That's it. That's what we thought the reel was about. Yeah. But apparently that's not what the reel was about. What did people latch on to?

SPEAKER_01 3:07

You asserted in that clip. In that clip, that Jews aren't drinkers. And that made people real angry. People were mad. Um they did not like the fact that you suggested sobriety for the Jewish people. Yeah. They were like, what fucking Jews do you know? You dumb bitch. You've never met a Jew. All of the ones I know are drunk. You've summed up. That's literally the entire comment. And then it was that, and then there was a couple comments being like, who cares if she brought Hamet's hot cross bunch to your Seder? You're being mean, you fucking Jew. Like that's literally, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

How good was that reel? Is like, I don't know, people use these words like it's like a real microcosm or it's a real snapshot of it.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

That is a microcosm of everything.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Yeah. Was brilliant. Yeah. So brilliant. Got so much unexpected traction that we're gonna do a whole episode about whether or not Jews are drinkers. Now, after that reel went up, after it went to stories, I did a bit of market research and I put a poll in my stories. Are you laughing at the way I've pronounced poll more?

SPEAKER_01 4:26

No, I'm just laughing at like market research is I'm gonna post to my friends. No, I don't My friends and followers.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

No, so now I have because my grandmother went viral, I have like barely any friends now on Instagram. Like that's the the true price of fans. It's true. Most of the time.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

My grandma went viral and now I don't have any friends. It's like one of those take five magazine covers. It's true.

Poll Results Across Jewish Communities

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Was it worth it? Okay, so I put a poll, and the question in the poll was tell me your name. I'm gonna talk to my camera now because I haven't done that all episode. Tell me your name. No, I didn't even ask that. Sorry, I just got distracted. Tell me what Jewish community you belong to, like location, and are bait drinkers. I'm gonna share the results now.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

I don't even have I don't have that on my sheet.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

Yeah, it's in the script notes, but don't worry. All right, so people, um, I had quite a few people from Jews from former Soviet Union communities. They maintain that they are drinkers. Drinkers.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

I would am I allowed to push back yet? Yeah. Okay, I would argue that's the Soviet part of them. Yes. Not necessarily the Jewish part of them. Right, but we'll get there. We'll get there, but I will argue that that is culturally relevant to their identity, like sans the Jewishness.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Yes. Yeah. Okay. Religious people, they tended to be the more religious you were, the more likely you were to be drinkers. We'll get to that. Okay. We'll get to that. This is just from my market research. If you're from Melbourne, you're drinkers of coffee. If you're from Hungary or Poland, if you have Polish or Hungarian roots, you were drinkers of soda water. If you're from the United States of America, mixed, I had one person from Colombia. Guess what she said? Coffee. No. Just no drink of course. Just cocaine. Um, no, she didn't, she didn't say that. No, no, she said no. No racial. In her Jewish, am I gonna get cancelled for that? Cancelled, yeah. Tammy cancelled. In her Jewish community, no. Um, not drinkers. Okay, someone wrote to me, yeah, I'm the Shiksa goddess in my Jewish family. So yes, I'm a drinker, which kind of proves my point. Um, and then I got some pretty funny DMs, like they didn't really answer the poll, but they just messaged me. One person said, I once heard that the Hakoa Club, which is It's like a it was like it's a sit Bondi's version of like a Jewish community center, like a JCC, and then it shut down.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

But it was run pretty much exclusively by Hungarian Jews.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Well, I'd say And there was a poke's, there was a swimming pool, there was a kosher restaurant, there was a bar.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Yeah. It was like an RS Jewish RSL, right? Jewish equivalent.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

That would be the Australian version.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah. So she said, I once heard that the Hakoa Club had the lowest alcohol sales of all clubs across Australia. Oh, funny. She said, but the highest in cappuccinos. And then another person said, Jews are definitely not real drinkers. At my Israeli wedding, unlimited beer and wine per person came at a cost of an additional 20 shekels.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Cooks. No, we're not drinkers. And here's the thing with religious people thinking they're drinkers. When you are within your own community and you're religious and you're sort of in your bubble, you don't experience what true drinkers are like. And I have also been since this episode trying, I've been trying to diagnose the drinking nature of the community. Um religious people tend to be binge drinkers. And that is different. A binge drinker doesn't hold their alcohol the same way a person who drinks three wines with dinner multiple times a week holds their alcohol. Yeah. When okay, here's my story. Yeah. When Sky and I first started dating, end of 2022, this is 2023, Pesach. All of my friends come to town at the same time. And I'm like, this is a great opportunity for my new girlfriend to meet all of my friends. So Skye comes over to meet literally all of my friends from this one friend group at the same time. Sky's a bit nervous. If you're nervous, you're culturally Australian because you grew up in Wollongong, um, and you're about to meet all of your new partner's friends, what do you bring? Alcohol. Alcohol. Sky brings a bottle of wine, koshly for Pesach wine, we're sitting down. She is the only person who drank from that bottle. I had a cup because I felt bad for her, and she left that being like, what is wrong with your friends?

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Yeah. And now, now that she's been with you for we don't drink that much.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

It's a it's it's again, we can get into why all of these things are, but Jews, and again, it's cultural. When you compare the average Jewish Australian to the average non-Jewish Australian, Jews are not drinkers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

It's actually kind of embarrassing.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

I also think that maybe I think because we live in Sydney as well, which is a warm environment, it's very beach focused.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Yeah, like health focused.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

It's very health focused. We want to wake up, but in the morning and go for a coastal walk or then, even then after we posted that clip and I I defended your honour.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Thank you. Someone replied to my story and said, Have you heard of Yavner beers? Do you know firstly, do you know what Yavner is?

SPEAKER_02 10:17

Is Yavner a religious school?

Are Jews Drinkers Or Binge Drinkers

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Yavner is a modern Orthodox school in Melbourne. Okay. Yavner beers, apparently, are when you go around after a party and click like clear up all the bottles, and it's all of the beer bottles that have like seven-eighths of the beer left in it. And they don't live in a warm environment, like welcoming environment, you know? That's Melbourne. Okay. So that's that's your proof right there. That has a name. That's a phenomenon with a name. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Anyway, um got me thinking, what does Judaism say about alcohol? Like maybe so much. It's something, it's something in within our text. Like maybe it's cultural, but it's also textual.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Um, so there's lots of mentions of wine in text. First thing I said there's lots of like kosher rules around wine, which is really interesting. So already it's something we handle a bit more, you know. What's the word I'm looking for? We're more careful as we approach it. Like you can't just drink any old wine because wine is used so much in religious ritual outside of Judaism. It's used for when you go to church and you drink wine all the time. And um, I think in ancient religions, wine was a big part of their ritual practice as well. And so in Judaism, you can't have wine that has been intended for idolatrous purposes. So that's why this is why kosher wine sucks. This is gonna be the real heading. Why kosher wine sucks. Because in order for wine, kosher wine to be handled by non like to be kosher, has to be two things. For kosher wine to be kosher, it's one of two things. Number one, it is not touched by a non-Jewish person from the time it is the I'm pretty sure it's since the grapes are harvested, or by the time it's wine until it's packaged, like bottled at your table, you're pouring it. That whole line has to be like just Jews touching it. Wow. That's called that's like the wine, and that's expensive. It's hard to come by in Australia. Yeah. Um, you get it more in Israel, yeah, all that stuff. Then you have Mavushal wine, which literally is cooked wine, and that's when, in order to make it kosher and handleable by anyone, you boil the shit out of it. It's like boiled, like that. It's it's a cooked wine. Okay. And so it makes it taste less good. So most wines that you get that are kosher at restaurants or at I don't know, liquor land or whatever, you know, non-kosher liquor store and you they have like a kosher section, yeah. They're all Mavushal wines. Okay. And it tastes like Bum Bum. Yeah, dookie. Just it's like not nice. Okay. That's the rules around wine. Yeah. I also think that honestly, Jews drink less wine than other people because in the diaspora, we are mostly drinking if you're if you're religious, you're drinking shit wine. Okay. Um, anyway, so that's like, I think one of the main things is that we are intentional in the way that we handle wine. Maybe that leads to the way that we ingest it as well.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Okay. I'm pretty proud of myself because I put some information in the research today and I came across it by accident.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

So wine is mentioned, or drinking in general is mentioned a lot in the Torah and Tanakh. Um, and it's mostly stories that warn you against drinking, which is also why, you know, when you have most of your mythology and your fables of being like drinking is bad, you're disinclined again to not drink all the time. Okay. So you have stories um like after Noah gets off the ark, first thing he does, plant a vineyard make wine. Makes wine, gets off his face drunk, then goes to lie down, and this gets a bit like trigger-warning-y. Um, he goes to lie down, and it's implied that one of his sons sexually assaults him as he's like passed out drunk, and then he curses his son forever, and it's really bad to this whole thing. The answer being don't like drinking in excess caused this, right? Yeah, or is part of this scenario. The loss of control. The same thing happens with after the city of Saddam is destroyed. Lot, you know, Lot, he escapes and his wife turns to salt.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

I've heard about it.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

I've heard about it. I'm familiar. So Lot escapes this destroyed town, his wife turns to salt, he's running away with his two daughters. They run up onto a mountaintop and they look out, and the entire valley beneath them is being destroyed by brimstone and fire, right? Like hailing down. They think naturally it's the end of the world. So, what do you do when it's the ends of the world and you're hanging out in a in a mountain cave with your dad and your sister? You get fucked up. Well, you get your dad drunk and you sleep with him so you can repopulate the world. Oh, okay. Yeah. You didn't see that one coming? Did not. No. So again, it's this story about, and it's a story in the text. It's not condoned whatsoever. If anything, drinking once again is a tool for immorality. All right. Okay, this loss of inhibition, this like purposefully trying to fool someone with drinking for a means to an end, whatever it is. Anyway, and then there's a couple of other mentions I won't get into. Oh, I will actually. The person who basically invented how we pray today, her name is Hana. She's a story. She prays silently in the temple or in the tabernacle, and she is mis mistaken for being drunk and is berated. And so again, it's like this drinking whilst doing something important has negative connotation. And that's where the thing that you found comes into play. Because you found something from Leviticus from Sefer Vayikra. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to read part of it? Sure. First line.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Um, yeah. It so this is from Leviticus, which is in the Tanakh.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

In the Torah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

In the Torah. Do not drink wine in such a way that will lead to intoxication, neither you nor your sons with you when you enter the tent of meeting. That's the tabernacle, the Mishkan. Yep. Hey, I remember. Nice. So that you do not die. This is an eternal statute for your generations.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Again, you should not be drinking when you are doing something ritually important. That's what it's saying.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Right? You're going into a place to serve God. Don't do it while you're drinking. Incidentally, Aaron's sons who are given this commandment die for different reasons.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Yes, they do. No, I think this happen this happens after they die. Um God says this after they die from catching on fire.

What Judaism Says About Wine

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Fire goes up their nostrils and into their body. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy. Anyway, yeah, it's it's you're not supposed to, you're supposed to have a clear mind when you're doing certain things. Um, but also I think something you have to remember in the ancient world, they were, I think like they were always a bit drunk. They didn't have, and maybe this is more into medieval times, but your water's dirty, yeah, and you have to stay hydrated. Everyone's just drinking beer. Yeah. I had that suspicion too. Right? That's maybe not in the desert when they're going like back and forth because they're relying on, you know, miracle water.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

But at a certain point in time, you're always at a base level of beer drunk. Yeah. And so any drinking on top of that is going to, you know, what is it? Beer before liquor, never sicker.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

Is that all is that what it is? I only remember beer and grass, you're on your ass, grass and beer, you're in the clear.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

I think it's like beer before liquor, never sicker, liquor before beer, you're in the clear.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

I also think because like in those times, they're like beta blockers and SSRIs and all those weren't invented yet. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, sure. That's my hot take.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

They hadn't invented medications. They hadn't invented antidepressants. Um, anyway, there's more to say about what happens, but I think um then you also have when drinking is encouraged in Judaism. Okay. Right? Because that's all like the no-nos and the poo-poo just don't do it. Um the Talmud says that you should drink in a shiva house. So when someone's mourning for seven days after a loved one has died. Okay, a shiva house, just to repeat how you should um drink up to like 10 cups of wine with them, it says in it. Like it breaks it down. But basically, you're trying to drink them to encourage an appetite because you know, usually people who are in states of sadness, mourning, depression aren't very hungry. Get them to drink a little, then they'll eat. Ah. Right? Once they eat and get them to drink a bit more, it'll like sort of loosen them up a bit. Okay. So that's it's a time it's encouraged. Yeah. But the most famous time that drinking is encouraged is Purim, right? We are commanded to drink until we don't know the difference between Mordechai and Haman, right? Between the protagonist and the villain of the story. Okay. But that's like pretty much the only time where you're actively told to get shit faced.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

What about on Passover? Because one of the comments that came up on this reel, because it was about Passover Seder, was that you're supposed to drink four cups of wine.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Again, four cups of wine in the grand scheme of things, when you when you're when you're drinking regularly, four cups is child's play. Okay. When you're drinking beer as your main source of, you know, hydration. Yes. Or if you're drinking like wine a lot, like a lot, a lot, four cups of dinner is nothing too crazy. I mean, it's expensive, right? It's yeah. It it's not about, I think the other thing is, is that the point of it isn't to get drunk. Right. The four cups of wine, there's lots of different ideas, what the symbology is, but it's about four different expressions of freedom, of being redeemed by God. But also it's about signifying royal royalty, right? Tonight we are not slaves, we are we are royal, we are opulent. And so it's about abundance, not scarcity. Okay, exactly. So it symbolizes something different. Purim isn't about we drink because we were royalty. Purim is we're gonna drink and get fucked up because this is our version of carnival. Right. Right. So, like they're given for different. If you're a lightweight and four cups gets you drunk, that's on you. That's what I'll say.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Also, this is really important, in my opinion. In the same vein as how long is a piece of string, how big is a cup? Because I've noticed Jews have a lot of those little cups.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

So the rabbis give specific. Oh, they do. Like, but it's but it's still, it's not like a big goblet. It's like maybe you can't see, I'm holding up my hands to the screen. So if you're walking your dog, stop and just look at me, hold up how big a cup is supposed to be. Like a yay or so, right? It's still like a regular, probably standard drink. American? I taste even less than. Yeah. It's smaller than a beer by by far. Okay. Um, and then so that's all like sort of the Torah stuff, right? That's and the Talmud and like what we're commanded. And then you get into sort of the feel-good side of Judaism and the sort of philosophy, how to better yourself, like the self help books of Judaism. Underscore. It's called Mossar. It's like it's it's how do I strengthen my inner inner life, right? And my philosophical ideological take on the world.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Okay. Who are the authors of Mossar?

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Mussar is just sort of the name, it's the genre, and it could be like any rabbi. It's a lot of rabbis. Can it be you? No, because I don't want to write more so.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

But it could be, it's, it's, it's anyone.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

All right. Because if you create a meme that's feel good, you technically.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Maybe. It's more like how do I live nice and you it's it's not here are your laws. Uh-huh. It's how do I do things and feel good about them. Okay, we can do it. We need an episode on this.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

We can have one.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Where you and I just do musa. Yeah, we just bounce off each other. Anyway, go. Musa talks a lot about how it's really, and this is sort of what's reflected in the Torah. It's hard to serve God when you're impaired. And so if you're living a godly life, if you're living a life where you want to serve God every day and you want to pray and you want to say brachot or blessings before you eat and after you eat, you can't be drunk to do that. It's not proper. That's what Musar kind of like comes along and tells us. But then you have, and this is what you mentioned before, you said that religious people said that they were drinkers, right? And a lot of religious groups have the um their the reputation of being drinkers, but again, they're kind of binge drinkers and they're always drinking for purpose. At least they're supposed to. It's supposed to be that you're drinking to have a good time. And so I brought a quote from I won't read the whole thing. I brought a quote from a Hasidic rabbi, right? Because Chasidut or Hasidism is all about bringing emotion back into religious practice. It's not just about it being an intellectual pursuit, but it's it's a emotional spiritual pursuit as well. It's a whole long thing that happens in like the 16th century that we can't get into right now because we just don't have the time. Maybe we can have an episode on it.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

But they are more religious for people who've never heard the word Hass before.

Text Warnings About Drunkenness

SPEAKER_01 23:48

If you want to if you want to use the ultra-orthodox, they're a flavor of ultra-orthodox. All right. Right? They're the guys you see in the black hats, beards. Super Jews. Super Jews shops. Okay. That feels anti-Semitic. I don't know why, but that feels like you shouldn't be allowed to say that. Um anyway, so they say, you know, it's a good idea, it's this is literally what the rabbis say. It's a good idea for you to get together for a drink once in a while, but not to get drunk and disorderly, God forbid, right? Um, the way of the chassidim is to bond together and to like to rouse the animal soul. Sometimes you have to connect with like your bodily self. It's not just all about, again, this spiritual pursuit. Um, so and it says, um, even someone whose constitution does not allow him to drink liquor should still dilute it with water and drink together with fellowship. So the the rabbis are giving you religious permission to get together with your mates and drink. But then they say that when you're drinking, you should be singing religious songs. Okay, so that you're drinking with the goal of feeling roused and ready to praise God and to sing and to dance and I love God, la la la la la. Like, that's what you're doing. You're not drinking just to drink, you're drinking to serve God. And I think that's gotten misconstrued that like now on a Friday night you go and you have some beers, or you go and like get your wife's at home with the kids and then you go and get drunk at shul or something. Or after kiddish at shul and Shabbat, like your wife goes home with the kids and you stay and get drunk. And I can they call that religious, you know, godly pursuit? I don't know, who's to say? I think that's something internal, but I do think that that's sort of the the basis of Jews thinking they're drinkers because that's still binge drinking. And if you're doing it like the these rabbis are telling you, it's it's every so often, it's once in a while, it's not all the time.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Can I confess something to you before we potentially move on?

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

When you were telling me about that rabbi saying that you should be singing songs while you're drunk, a song popped into my mind. What was it?

SPEAKER_01 25:50

I get knocked down, I get up again. Yeah, that's what the that song is about the Jewish experience. That song is about Jewish oppression. You're never gonna keep me down. That's pogroms. That song is about Eastern European pogroms. Jews get knocked down. That's that's literally the plot of Fiddler. We get knocked down, we get exiled. We're gonna wake up again. We get back, we're gonna Anatefka will be somewhere else. Anotefka's in our heart. Yeah, you're never gonna get me down.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Amazing. Anything else you'd like to add at this juncture?

SPEAKER_01 26:21

About drinking? Yeah. Don't do it. Well I really like I'm I become so anti. I think it's fun sometimes. Yeah. I think I I can go on a rant. Do you want me to go on a rant?

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Yeah, because it wouldn't be an episode without Shoshana's rant.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

We try to excuse drinking. We say that it's for like religious ritual purposes, and a lot of it is, right? We do kirosh on Shabbat, right? So you have like twice, three times on Shabbat. So you're having wine then. Pesach, Purim. That's fine. Okay. The number one thing Rickyan hate. And this is not just a Sydney thing, this is an everyone thing. There's a holiday called Simchat Torah that comes at the end of um, at the end of Sukhat, like the last few days. It's one of those holidays that like no one really knows what to do. It's just there. You celebrate, it's like the renewal of the Torah cycle. And so it's a day of celebration. And the way that celebration has been sort of construed nowadays is that to celebrate as an adult, you need to drink. And for some reason in our communities, that translates to everyone's gonna go to shool on the night of Simchat Torah, get fucked up, drink in excess, handle the holiest item we have, which is a Torah, right? I'm gonna be drunk, I'm gonna be like holding a Torah whilst impaired, which again, we know what you're not supposed to do. And then I'm gonna give teenagers drinks. And so teenagers get together and they shall hop. They go from synagogue to synagogue, and you've got these idiots who are just plying them with alcohol. And it's it's disgusting. That is not the kind of drinking culture we should be teaching our kids. Yeah. If you want to teach them to binge drink because it helps God, sure. But like, don't give them underage drinks, like, don't put them in that position.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

And you've got like more and more um like parent committees getting together and like at the shores being like, do not let these kids in if they're drunk. But like, it shouldn't already be the culture that kids get to walk around the streets and like, you know, in packs looking for adults to give them drinks. Like, what message is that sending? You're not supposed to do it, you're not supposed to be drunk and serving God at the same time. It literally says that. There's one time you get to do that, that's purim. You don't get to do it any other time. And if you are on Simchat Torah day, have a Torah open and you are leaning from the Torah, you are dovening, right? You're doing musaf, whatever it is, and you are drunk and you sound like you are slurring your word, that is disgusting. And you can't, oh, we don't do that at our show. You do that at your shoulder, everyone does that at their shoulder. That is like, that is what happened at Simchat Torah and it's disgusting, and it is should not be a part of our culture. Grow the fuck up. Stop drinking in excess on Simchat Torah like that. You're it's a bad example. All the women just sit on the side and watch it happen. Tell your husbands to stop. Rein them in. And now it's time for our favorite segment. I'm angry.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

I shouldn't have ranted, I got too angry. I love it when you get angry. It's really good for the algorithm.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Algorithm loves anger.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

Alright, so it's time for our favorite segment. I do like this segment. Yeah. Shame in the Städetl.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

This is a good one.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Today's like this one. Today's Facebook post. Is it a post? I'm not really on Facebook anymore. You call that a post?

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Yeah. Yeah. You do this to press my buttons.

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I'm not really on Facebook anymore.

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Really? You do.

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But your generation's not on Facebook either.

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I mean, sometimes we are.

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Yeah.

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Who do you think sends you these?

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Yeah. I send you these. Alright. This is from this is from a Jewish mother's group in a city in the world. City in the world. And anonymous member writes.

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Shining a light in a tough time. Have a dear friend facing a challenging hospital situation where their, should I say the name of the airline?

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Yeah.

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Where their quantas PJs were accidentally thrown out with the bed sheets. Does anyone have a pair of size large Qantas PJs to help her get through this? Please PM me ASAP with prayer hands emoji. Okay.

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First of all.

When Drinking Is Encouraged

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You loved this.

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I loved this so much. One, because for those of you who are not Australian.

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Or who are too poor to fly Quantus PJs.

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That's what I mean. I was gonna say Qantas PJs are what you get when you fly business or first class on a long haul flight. Yeah. And it's a status symbol.

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They look like they literally look like like jail pajamas. It's just gray, it's gray with the kangaroo logo.

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It was designed by like a quite a big Australian.

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And it looks like you're in prison.

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Alright. So one, that's the reason why I loved this so much. Yes. Two, because I it's not clear to me whether the challenging hospital situation is the fact that their conscious pajamas got thrown out with the bed sheets.

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You think they're just in there for like they're getting like a Brazilian butt lift and then their PJs got thrown out?

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Yes.

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And that's why they need that's why they need the large because of the BBL.

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I just love that of all the things. That's pretty funny. Not a hamper, not some extra child care for the family while this person's in hospital.

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The PJs.

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The Qantas PJs.

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My favorite part of this is what? Maybe five comments being like DM me, I can help you out. I didn't get it. Of course, of course, lady anonymous member, I will get you those PJs. Which is like the Jewish people are amazing. We love to help others. And sometimes that help looks like grey pyjamas from an airline. And that's beautiful. And that's beautiful. So are we shaming this person in the channel? They want to help their friends the only way they know how. And that's the quantity. Quantum pajamas.

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I don't know who the Zoe is, but she loved our podcast.

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It could be Zoe Foster Blake. If it is, she would have Qantas pajamas. Thank you so much and see you next week. Bye.