Season 4 Finale ... Rants!

Who doesn’t love a rant? In this episode (SEASON 4 FINALE), Shoshana and Tami take turns ranting about Jewy things. From Jewish in-fighting, to Jewish education, to being mean to Ashkenazi food -  the Jewish world is their tuna dip. Plus, someone in a Jewish Facebook Group needs to stop being weird. 

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Transcript

Season Finale Setup And Rant Plan

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Ashamed to ask, ashamed to admit, got dewy, dewy questions. This is it, this is it. Why is wicked simple or unsure how to ask? We'll open up the books, the ark will open up your cynical heart. No such a thing as a dumb question. Okay, that's mostly true. Dummy and Shoshan are here for you. Ashamed to admit.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Ashamed to ask. It's everything you didn't get in Jewish studies class. Hello. Hi. Hey. Welcome to the very last episode of season four of Ashame to Admit. Presented by The Jewish Independent. Oh. Whoa.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

We always have to call them the real name for the presented by the Jewish Independent, also known as the Gindependent. I am Shoshana Gottlieb Becker.

SPEAKER_03 1:01

And I'm Tammy Sussman.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Are we going to hang out after this? Probably not. We just like never see each other again.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

I was just about to say I'm feeling emotional about this because finally, when we're starting to build trust and rapport, um how are we going to celebrate our final episode?

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Well, I had the idea of like every so often in this show when we we find a topic that really gets us going, but we have to tamper ourselves because we just don't have the time. And we we can't go on a too long a rant. So let's just have an episode of rants. Okay. Things that like piss us off.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

I feel like you do go on a Shoshana rant at least one time every episode, and I love it. Do you want to start?

SPEAKER_01 1:50

No, you can I'll I'll be nice because it's our last day together.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

Take the lead, Tammy. Alright.

Reform Ick And Sydney Labels

SPEAKER_03 1:56

I would like the Jewish community of Sydney specifically. But I'm sure there are other communities around the world who share this point of view. Just admit that you are reform. Stop pretending that you are modern Orthodox. Okay. When I've written here, I actually quite like this. This is I was going on a rant as I'm typing. Stop pretending to be modern orthodox when you're just a misogynist who feels uncomfortable with women in positions of power, slash wants to avoid your wife and talk crypto with the lads in the men's section.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Okay. I on I agree with you about a lot of these things, I think for different reasons. Misogyny is not a an orthodox issue, right? You can be misogynist and in the reform community. Okay. I think my my angle to this is twofold. Number one, don't use your religiosity to justify what is just your political views, whether that's about women or whether that's about queerness or about immigrants. You know what I mean? Like stop using your religious language to shroud your other like extracurricular beliefs. My other thing with the reform piece is that I think that a lot of people, again, specifically in Sydney, don't realize that they could be masorty. Yeah. And we've discussed this before. Well, I'd never heard the term masorty, which I or for for the people who don't know masorty, or if you're like American, it's just the conservative movement, which was started for people who like wanted the modernity of reform but still wanted the tradition and the things that were familiar to them. Like that kind of upgrade or update, rather.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Can I can I just say I was not suggesting that if you are modern Orthodox, you are misogynist. I just had a very specific example in my life of someone who did not want to practice anything. And when I said, well, let's go to the reform synagogue, because maybe you'll relate a lot more to that, they were like, I just don't feel comfortable with a female rabbi.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Ah, yeah, that's like the ref like I call that the reform ick. Yeah. Right? That everyone in Sydney, and again, like this is so specific to our our city, everyone in Sydney for the most part is brought up with the reform ick, because most of our institutions are run by Orthodox and ultra uh modern Orthodox or like Orthodox people. And so like the worst thing you can be, according to some of these rabbis, is not off the derich, is not, you know, like anti-Zionist. The worst thing you can be is reformed.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Because it's not not real.

SPEAKER_03 4:34

Well, it shits me.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Um, yeah, it it does annoy me too. And I think my take is that enough people hate us that we don't have to hate each other. You know, that's my that's my take.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Yeah. My take is better to be part of a community and go to a synagogue with a female rabbi, especially if you were raising girls, then do nothing.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah. Alright. My rant.

Retire The Phrase As A Jew

SPEAKER_03 5:06

Your rant.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

I think it's time to end two different phrases. The first phrase is as a Jew.

SPEAKER_03 5:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

The second phrase is as a Jew Jew. Because what happens is a lot of people are angry at left-wing Jews using their Jewish identity to legitimize and justify, again, their political points of view and base their politics in Jewish tradition. And you get angry at them for that. You are doing the same thing. You just agree with your opinions. When you're calling someone an as a Jew Jew, you're saying your politics as a Jew is wrong, but my politics as a Jew are right. And you're doing the exact same game. It's just that you agree with what you have to say. Yes. And I think that is so fucking stupid. And I think that like, and again, it's this game of, you know, um, like identity legitimacy and who has the right to say what. I'm just like, put a moratorium on it. We all have opinions. And and like you can't, you can't be like angry at as a Jew Jews and then turn around and joke that two Jews three opinions. You can't hold those two things at the same time inside of you. Like it really, it really grinds my gear.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

It does. I think I actually ignited this rant because I wrote, I'm very happy you've discovered some Jewish ancestry, but don't weaponize it to hate on Jews.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

So again, I'm gonna augment this. I don't like I'm happy you've discovered some Jewish ancestry. Don't weaponize it full stop. Stop speaking on behalf of people. Yeah. And I think this in general of um messianic Jewry, of like, there's this one lady on Instagram who um who posts a it's so much about being Jewish and then is a Christian and believes in Jesus. And I like it really just gets me going. And I have people send me her content being like, isn't this great? I'm like, no, she's messianic. Like she fundamentally believes in um a principle that the Messiah has come and is Jesus that we as Jews do not accept. We don't think the Messiah has come yet, and it really, it really ticks me up.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

Hang on, you as a Jew don't believe that the Messiah has come yet.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

No, that's like a practic like that is fundamental to modern Judaism. That is that is what created modern Judaism back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

Rabbinic Jews said, You're speaking on behalf of all Jews.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Huh?

SPEAKER_03 7:34

Some Jews feel that the Messiah has come.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

You know what they're called? Christians.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

I was gonna say, you know what he's called? Alex Rivchin.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Ah, yeah, true.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

That Rivchinites. That clip has reached everyone.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

All corners. Everyone, I had so many, like so many co-workers find me and follow me from that clip. And I'm like, guys, what are we doing? Follow me from that clip and then never mention it in person. Ladies, what are we doing? Um no, so I will also say you didn't inspire that rant. That is that's always percolating. All right. Last night I was at my friend's house for dinner. Um, I'd say shoppers pasta, it was really fun. I read her both of our list of rants, and so I've had all of these rants already in the last 24 hours, and I'm still just as angry about all of them now sitting here.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

All right. Yeah. Did any of my rants make you angry? Do you want to rant on top of a rant?

SPEAKER_01 8:30

No, I there's there's agreements and disagreements I have with you. Okay. Okay, what's your next one?

SPEAKER_03 8:34

Um,

Booking Speakers And Shul Gossip

SPEAKER_03 8:35

my next one is quite relevant. So if you've asked Shoshana, the famous one, to keynote a Jewish event and she says no, and then you reach out to me and say, Hey, Tammy, we'd really love for you to guest speak at this event. Please just be up front and say we already asked Shoshana, and she said no, because chances are Shoshana's gonna tell me. I do every time. Every time.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

I will also say I'm really sorry to the people who do reach out to me as again, like inverted commas like the famous one. Because I like I never do anything. Like people have stopped reaching out because like I don't have the time to say yes. Yeah. But I will always give you a heads up before you're gonna get a message. Yeah. Which I appreciate. That's fine. If you want to do the same back.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

Just for the record, I've already been doing the same back. Um no, but but following up from that, so I was asked to do to deliver a speech for Pride, a Pride service at North Shore Temple Emanuel in Sydney, in Chatswood. And the people need to know that the cantor there, he's been there for a year, he's 38, yeah, lovely human, great voice, single.

unknown 9:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Who's he looking for?

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Female, what I gathered. Okay, good person, someone who is he's he has no idea I'm doing this. And he may even be upset that I'm doing this, and I I don't care. I'm just gonna do it anyway. You know why? That congregation is smaller than the one in the east. Now, I'm not trying to take people away from our mates at a manual synagogue, but all I'm gonna say is lots of parking on the north on the north shores, three hours free parking. Wow, three hours free parking. Wow, cute cantor. Single. Single. Yeah. Why aren't they using this in their social media campaigns to bring more people into the shore?

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Do you follow them on social media? No. So you don't know if they are or on social media.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

I can guarantee you they have not used that. Because otherwise it would have come across my your page? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Um, yeah, I couldn't do that because I was at Emmanuel Synagogue of the East. Yes. And so that's why I ran back.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

And because you keep Shabbat and you weren't gonna drive. Well, yeah, that too.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

But like, I don't know, they could have put me up, but I I had a previous engagement.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Yeah, anyway, it was lovely.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Do you know what the previous engagement was? What? I got inducted onto the board of Manual Synagogue.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

Really? Congratulations! Thanks. Now you definitely don't have time to do all the other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Your turn to rant.

They Taught You That Already

SPEAKER_01 11:20

My turn. Um, this is coming from Shoshana, the teacher. I am sick, and I've been saying this for a long time on the internet, I'm so sick of people being like, Well, they didn't teach us that in Jewish studies class. Because the answer is they did. They taught you that and you weren't listening. And I know that as a teacher because I've had the principal walk into my classroom and be like, What is the name of the Jewish New Year? And I've had students go, I don't know. And I'm like, I literally, yesterday's entire class was on Rosh Hashanah. We spoke about Roshana, the word Rosh Hashanah like 58 times yesterday. And so you as an adult don't remember what you learned in school because you weren't listening in school. You can't say, Oh, you didn't teach us about this niche biblical character. This, like you've been holding feminist Torah from me. No, you learnt about them. You just weren't fucking paying attention. Disagree. No, absolutely like that is absolutely it.

SPEAKER_03 12:11

Our teachers were not as good as you, Shoshana.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

No, no, no. I'm telling you across the board.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

You cannot know that. You have not sat in on everyone's Jewish study.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

I'm telling you that they taught you things and you just don't remember it.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

They did not teach me that Noah had sex with his son when the son was drunk.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Okay, firstly, that's a mid-rush that they it was a sexual assault. Secondly, you have to keep it age appropriate. I'm talking when people are like, why aren't they teaching us about these kick-as women characters? Why aren't they teaching us about this thing? Like, maybe it's around Israel, all of that stuff. We did. We talk about it as teaching. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you were taught about it. I'm telling you. And you didn't listen to it. And it's about, oh, these Min Hagum that we don't know about. I've never heard this before. Um, hey, I'm a posted about it. Yes, you fucking did. All right, agree to disagree.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Next rant.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Okay.

You Cannot Outsource Jewish Identity

SPEAKER_01 13:10

You need to stop assuming that sending your kids to a Jewish school will keep them Jewish if you're doing nothing at home. Um, and this is just across the board. There are studies being done in Australia of like the literally the single thing, like the thing that is most um likely to make a child retain Jewish identity later in life is what they do at home. That's the number one thing. Jewish schools is actually like third or fourth on that list behind um like going to yeshiva/slash on an Israel trip and behind Jewish youth movements. And I think that Jewish schools, don't get me wrong, right? So invaluably important to the Jewish world and to our community, but you cannot be angry that your child cannot say kiddish, right? And I have I've had people say to me, like, this kid should be able to say kiddish. And I'm like, we don't sit in class all day practicing kiddish for Friday night. That is something you have to do at home with them, right? You can like you can't you can't outsource Jewish identity to schools or to youth groups. You have to be, if you are serious about your Jewish identity, and this is less a rant and more like me imploring people, you have to be investing in it at home, whatever that looks like for your family. If Shabbat for you is we make kiddish and then turn on the TV, make your kids say kiddish before you turn on the TV. Right? If it's belonging to a shul, actually sign your kids up to a shul program. Like you, you we outsource so much of our lives to other things, and that doesn't work for Judaism. It doesn't. You have like you have to walk the walk in some capacity for your kids to retain any of that pride of identity and the and the desire to continue it.

SPEAKER_03 14:54

All right.

Jewish School Fees And Fairness

SPEAKER_03 14:55

I agree with you. On the topic of Jewish schools, and this one you don't agree with.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

I don't necessarily agree with you.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

I'm interested to hear your point of view.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

This is something that's come up a lot with my friendship group. We have kids that are school age.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

A very different discussions than what my friendship groups are having.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Yeah. So um, my rant is don't ask for Jewish school fee assistance if you slash the grandparents can afford it. Save it for the people who need it. Slash, there needs to be an investigator in schools making sure that scholarships are going to the right people.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Okay, like totally disagree. Okay, go.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Because I I kind of all disagree.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Number one, all subsidies are means-based. So it's based, like you don't just like apply for a subsidy in order to get it. You have to like submit documentation of how much you own before you get a subsidy.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

That there are new ones coming out that are not. So that this comes.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

There's a difference between a subsidy and a scholarship. Um, academic scholarships, you should not be punishing children for how much money their parents make. Of course not. So academic scholarships is f like I left that out. But it says for scholarships, right? Making sure scholarships are going to the right people.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

I said fee assistance.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Again, like all subsidies, unless you're talking about like everyone gets it, subsidies they're means-based, right? All right. Um the other thing is that I think that there is a growing number of people who are perceivably wealthy who still can't afford Jewish school fees, right? And if you're thinking about a family who, I don't know, an engineer, father, and a designer, whatever it is, they they they have money, right? And they have four kids. Jewish school fees are still going to cost them in the upper years, but like $40,000 a year for four kids. So even families that from the outside have some kind of material wealth still can't actually afford those school fees, right? And go into debt in order to give the kids that education. Um, I don't think we are in a wealthy enough community for that something like this should apply. Okay. Is it my turn? Yeah.

Leave The Holocaust Out Of It

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Leave the Holocaust alone. Let's stop comparing everything to the Holocaust. Um, I I like we are not living in pre-Nazi Germany, even if you do feel unsafe as a Jew. Again, I've said it before, I'll say it again. If we were living in pre-Nazi Germany, our government wouldn't be giving us um a royal commission, right? Like, our government supports us as Jewish individuals living in this state with certain rights. It's not Nazi, it's simply not Nazi Germany. Um on top of that, um, I think we should never call another Jew a carpoe or Judenrat. I think that is a disgusting term to wield against a fellow Jew. I judge you immediately if you do use that word. Don't think you should use it. Um, and again, I think that like the Holocaust was such a singularly terrible atrocity. Um, it doesn't need to be the litmus against which we hold all other bad things that happen to people and Jews. And I'm really sick of, and again, the more because I I teach about the Holocaust, the more I study about the Holocaust, the more I'm like, wow, did you know how bad the Holocaust was? Like, as much as you think you can conceive of it, worse. And I just think that it is so horrible that we use it as this football in our games of whose life is worse around the world.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

Okay. So you're saying this to Jewish people, but you're also saying, I'm saying it to everyone.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

I'm saying it to everyone, right? Like we we like there's enough bad in the world that we don't have to like compare everything to the Holocaust. Things are allowed to be bad in their own right. I think specifically, I hate the term carpo. Mostly because number one, like there there are no modern-day carpos. But number two, and I think this is like a huge part of my approach to Holocaust, is that you can't judge what anyone did in the Holocaust. Right? You you were not in that situation, you cannot make a judgment about how someone chose to stay alive because you have the privilege of not being forced to think about that. And I think that like, like, have some fucking compassion. It was the Holocaust, like that shit's crazy. Quote me on it. Like, Holocaust was bad. Um, and I'm just like, not only am I sick of the term carpo, I'm actually like like it's repulsive to me when people use that term. They've just lost me. I'm like never listening to anything they have to say again. Like, genuinely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

Hallelujah, Shoshana in 10 posts.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Literally.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

All

Stop Turning Judaism Into Slogans

SPEAKER_03 19:44

right. I don't have any more rants.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Okay. Number one, stop being mean to Ashkenazi food. It is not flavorless. You've just only had bad Ashkenazi food. Um, I think it is miraculous what our ancestors managed to do with very limited resources, and we should commend them for it.

SPEAKER_03 20:01

I agree with you. So I'm not gonna rant on top of that rant. Next.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Um, stop turning Judaism into bagel and locks, also on the back of food, right? Stop turning Judaism into a sloganed thing. Um, it is much more than bagels and locks. It is much more than whatever pickles, whatever fun little, and like, I don't know, um, what fun little slogan you've come up with to define it. It's more than that. And I think by dumbing it down, you are doing it a disservice. On the back of that, stop, I'm gonna read this verbatim, stop saying Judaism has no afterlife. You are misunderstanding an already vague tumbler post that was kind of wrong. Okay, everyone loves to say, you'll know what's the difference between Judaism and Christianity just don't have an afterlife. Incorrect. We have the concept of Olam Haba, the world to come. What you mean to say is that we don't have this concept of like fire and brimstone hell and heaven that Christianity has and all of that like very old imagery, but we do have the concept of an afterlife and a place that our soul goes to and the process that our souls go through if they did bad things in this world, right? It's not a purgatory and it's not a hell, but it's like a cleansing process. And I'm sick of you saying that that's not the case. It really just uh it grinds my gears.

SPEAKER_03 21:15

Well, what's the vague Tumblr post?

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Oh, just people like it's just all of that shit back in the day. This is again all of like a lot of, and this is also oh don't get me going. So much of current internet Judaism is just a decade-old Tumblr post that people are rehashing and reposting all over again. Right. And what is already a vague thing is losing even more nuance and meaning. And again, that's what I call like slogan Judaism. You know what I mean? It's like you can't distill our beautiful culture, history, religion into like a tweet. Really sick of it. Yeah. Um and then on the back of that, of really annoying fucking Tumblr posts that grind my gears, stop saying Judaism is all about wrestling with God in a negative way, right? Stop saying that the idea is to fight God in a parking way. Lot behind it Wendy's or whatever dumb fucking post was on Tumblr 10 years ago because we are still in community with God. I think that is what a lot of you people misunderstand.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

You people.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Yeah, you people wrestling with God is not about being angry with God, it's not about body slamming God to the ground and like you know getting at God with the chair, right? To wrestle with God is to to love God deeply. And I do feel like when a lot of you talk about fighting God behind a dumpster in the parking lot, you're missing what it's about. And it really grinds my gears.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

So what does it mean to be in community with God?

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Huh? You you're like we're in a relationship with God.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

Still, it's ongoing.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

It's ongoing and it's evolving, and it's not about like, and I know that like you know, Yisrael comes from God wrestling, like the wrestler of God, but like it's not like it's it's about like I don't know. I just feel like so much of the language behind how people talk about wrestling with God and defining themselves by that is about this, like having altercation with God, but it's not about that, it's about being in deep intellectual, emotional relationship with God, and like you don't talk about wrestling your partner in order to understand and grow with them, right? It's like it's more than that. And I just feel like we're misusing terminology and um and again when we when we distill our entire culture into like something that you can post and get likes on on the internet, you like you kind of just like fuck it up, and it doesn't, and it's like I just it's really it's been cheesing me off for like 15 years at this point. Like it really annoys me.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Okay.

Google Skills Versus ChatGPT Shortcuts

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Um, I only have two more. Yeah, go learn how to Google things. This isn't just apply to the Jewish world, but it really does, and I think it's in two different ways. Number one, AI doesn't count. Chat GPT is not the same as Googling things. Learn how to Google things and find a link to then read an article about yourself, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Because Chat GPT can hallucinate.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Yes. Number two, and I'm I always think this, I've never actually posted this, so maybe I'll post this after. Fake it till you make it. If you don't understand something about the Jewish world, Google it. Don't get angry that you weren't given the chance to learn it. And don't just like tap out of discussion and community because it's reached something beyond you. But like take the time, like there are so many good resources on the internet, right? Bookmark My Jewish Learning and Safaria and Chabad.org. And when you have a question, just go and search on those websites and find like again, one of the beautiful things of the internet is the way it's democratized um access to ideas. But you still have to put in the effort to go and find those ideas.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

That's pretty funny. I thought you had this on the page because you were sick of people DMing you to ask you questions.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

No, I'm sick of people, like, whenever I'm like asking me anything, they're like, Well, how do I get more connected? And I'm like, it kind of sucks. The answer is just be more connected. Right? Like, you like it's not something magical that's gonna happen to you. Like, learning is not something that just happens, it's something that you invest time in. Yeah. And I'm just like sick of people not Googling things.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Um, I was talking to my friend about this last night, and she said that she she's sick of people not asking their friends anymore. So she's a new mom, and she says that she's constantly seeing people turn to Chat GPT or other LLMs for advice. And what you're doing when you do that is you're stripping yourself of the community of women around you who've gone through similar and parents who've gone through similar things. And why are you trusting this faceless, you know, non-intelligent entity when you could be going and getting like a recommendation from a friend or like what worked for you, a person I know and trust. So, like for her, for her approach, it's it's stop Googling things and ask someone in person. And for me, it's just like put in effort. When I say Google something, put in the effort to know things.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

Yeah. Can I share something? Sure. Last night I went to a trivia night. It was a fundraiser for my eldest daughter's primary school. It was the first time I've done trivia in a post-AI world.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

So no one could look anything up.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

No one remembers anything. I was like, wow, this is scary. There was a logo section, we understood logos, that's very visual. We could make those things. Like geography, history, like these, it was very rare when someone remembered a date or something.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Yeah. It's really sad. Really sad. Um, Sky and I are currently watching Pop Culture Jeopardy, which is so fun on Netflix. Um, big fan. Okay. And so that's like knowing things. And actually, it'd be perfect for you because of it's pitched slightly before our generation for a lot of the questions.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

She just had to throw that in there.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Yeah. My last point, I have one last yeah.

Steven Spielberg As A Jewish Giant

SPEAKER_03 26:51

Um I love that you're ending with this one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

We as a Jewish community have to appreciate Steven Spielberg more. And not for the contributions he's made to the the preservation of Holocaust memory, but to the fact that we just the just like we are proud to have leaders in our history like Moses and Maimonides and Rashi and King David. I don't think we appreciate enough that the single greatest visual storyteller of all time is a nice Jewish boy. We don't appreciate that enough. My generation does. People have forgotten.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

People really like really, like the man is a beast. We have to, as a as a killer, just the same way we have a Kalebach minion, the same way we read Rough Saxon Shul on Shabbat, we have to start appreciating Steven Spielberg as a Godol Hador. The man is important.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

I think you need a teacher. Steven Spielberg is important.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

He is he is a leader of our of our people. Okay. And he I he has done more for the Jewish people than most like influential Jews today. Wow. Genuinely. Shinless List is one of the greatest movies of all time. It is.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

You I haven't seen it. I I haven't seen it, and it got to the point where I haven't seen it. Like it got to the point where like, well now I just can't see it. No, you really don't. And I haven't read the diary of Anne Frank.

unknown 28:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

If you didn't hear that, that was AJ gasping. AJ hasn't read it either. He's not Jewish, it doesn't matter. It's a good book, you should read it. You're a you're a Jewish woman who I'm assuming had an adolescence.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

Yeah. I wasn't much of a reader of those things. I I was reading my mum's a Russian Schifra Horn book.

Nanny Dinner Drama And Being Normal

SPEAKER_03 29:03

Alright, let's wrap up this season for finale.

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With our last Shame and the Shtdel.

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Our very last Shame of the Shtedl.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Okay, let me let me pull it up. Alright. Okay. This is from a WhatsApp group. No, sorry, from a Facebook group. Um, from a from a community, in a city, in a country, in the world. And it reads In bold, as a like a do you want me to read it? Can you read it?

SPEAKER_03 29:31

We'll take turns, but you you give the headline in bold.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

This is the title. Food for the nanny. Hi, mums. Would love to hear everyone's opinions slash expectations.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

I have a nanny who comes to help in the evenings, including cooking and feeding my L O little one, dinner. I have seen on our camera that she eats some of the food she's cooking. Initially I saw her picking food straight out of the air fryer bowl, which I found really gross considering that's where my daughter's food is coming from. So I said, if she's eating, please put on a plate. She now serves herself a full plate of whatever she's making for my little one, which was not my actual expectation and was never discussed. I find this so awkward and not sure if I say anything or just leave it. Oh boy. Shoshana's mad.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

I just like I'm like, this is literally a khilul hashem. This is this is desecrates the name of our community. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's it's posted in a Jewish group. Yeah. But like, number one, I also don't understand the trend of everyone having cameras in their house, like on the inside of their house. Like, why are you creating your own panopticon for your kids? It's a lack of trust and parenting. Yeah. Um, I this is like what I think is like a fuck around and find out. Like, oh, you're so upset that um the nanny who you're employing and probably should be feeding on like, you know, a moral level, um, because she's in your house around dinner time. You're upset that she's taking like a little piece out of the air fryer, and so you say something and you think you're being polite and say, like, if you want food, like take a whole plate. And so you can't be angry if she's taking a plate. You told her to. You know what I mean? Like, you you you told her if you want food, take a plate. She's like, okay, bet I'll take a plate.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

You can't be angry at that.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Okay, first correction is it's not dinner time, it's little one dinner time, which is like 5 p.m.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

That's that. I'm sorry, if you're with them from like if you're picking them up from school and helping them around that time. Like it it's understandable to want to snack around. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I'm just like, I hate that person. Why? I hate that person.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

You are ratting on another Jew. Now, I don't want to use the K-word.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Nah, I hate that person.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

I'm like, just be normal.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

Didn't you just say Jews shouldn't hate on other Jews?

SPEAKER_01 31:50

No, no, no. My thing is just for for frivolous reasons. Okay. And for intercommunal like broigus, which is silly. But when someone is so stupid, it's allowed. I'm sorry. Like, be like genuinely the only advice I have to give to this person is be normal. Yeah, absolutely. Like, have human emotions.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

I found it funny that she's grossed out by this person putting her hand in the air fryer to giving to give the little one some food. This person is handling everything that you're making.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

This person is making the food. Yeah. Like, are they supposed to wear gloves? Are they picking out the food but then like licking it each like tip of the finger and then putting the handbag in? Like, oh my god. Like be normal. Be normal. What is wrong with you people? Anyway, can I also just point out that um my jumper says friend of Yen Tor.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

Yeah, it's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

And Sky embroidered this for me.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

Sky embroidered that for you?

unknown 32:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

Is that why your wife is better than everyone else's wife?

SPEAKER_01 32:56

That's one of the reasons.

SPEAKER_03 32:57

Yeah. Yeah. It's so cute. Thanks. Um, are we gonna end on that by you telling someone to be more normal?

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Honestly, yeah. I think like Honestly, I'll add make it a rant. Be

Final Takeaways And Season Sign Off

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normal.

SPEAKER_03 33:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

I think the biggest problem is people just stopped being normal a long time ago.

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If you remember one thing from this entire season four, let it be.

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Steven Spielberg is our most important Jewish person.

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And be normal.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

And with that. That's it. That's it for season four. We made it through. I thought we were gonna get cancelled a long time ago. I'm not gonna- I thought they'd give us two episodes.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

I'm really proud of us.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

I thought they'd be like, oh god, we're not investing anything more. But we made it to the end of a whole season.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

24 episodes in season four.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Maybe another season? Who knows? We'll find out. Um, but this has been a shame to admit with me, Shoshana Gottlieb Becker. And me, Tammy Sussman. This episode was brought to you by the Jewish Independent, also known as The Gindependent with Alleyway Productions.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

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