Redefining Wealth & Leadership: A Conversation with Charlie Ramshaw

In episode 11 of Other People's Perspective, Freddy Cocek interviews Charlie Ramshaw, a Sales & Development leader at Ramshaw Real Estate and Team President at RamClean. We explore how the meaning of wealth evolves over time, plus our shared passions for hunting, the outdoors, bourbon collecting, and living with gratitude.

Tune in for an engaging conversation that highlights the value of support and collaboration in both personal and professional spheres.

TIMESTAMPS

[00:02:34] Importance of building a team.

[00:05:09] Wealth beyond just making money.

[00:10:25] Treating people as individuals.

[00:12:30] Flight simulator manufacturing and design.

[00:16:24] Life's unexpected career paths.

[00:18:48] Real flex: family support.

[00:24:09] Legacy and family retreat goals.

[00:26:05] Exotic animals market in Texas.

[00:30:33] Importance of water for wildlife.

[00:34:00] Nilgai hunting in South Texas.

[00:37:30] Podcast subscription and reviews.

QUOTES

• “I think getting this and the place that it's in now and stable and then starting to look at other ventures and other avenues to create wealth is definitely at the forefront of my mind at this point.” - Charlie Ramshaw
• “My focus in life is just to sit back and be very grateful for what I have and let that be very present. And just really pour into my team and just know that I just rely on them to do their thing.” - Charlie Ramshaw
• "One of the key characteristics for a leader is knowing that you don't know everything and you don't know how to do everything, but being able to find good people to fill those gaps." - Freddy Cocek

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Transcript

Welcome to Other People's Perspective, a place for you to listen, learn, laugh, and always feel better at the end of every episode, taking something bigger away from it for you and others. And now, here's your host, Freddy Cocek

Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of Other People's Perspective. I'm your host, Freddy Cocek Today, I've got a gentleman on here with me, a buddy of mine by the name of Charlie Ramshaw. Am I pronouncing that right, Ramshaw? Right on the money, brother. Fucking A right.

Freddy Cocek

And how are you this morning, senior? I'm good, brother. I appreciate the opportunity to come on here and talk and share some knowledge with you. And obviously, it's great to catch up anyway. So glad to have you. Yeah, looking forward to it.

Charlie Ramshaw

Yes, sir. Oh, tell me give me a little a little quick background where you're at what you do. I know you're in the it's a I'm going to say the cleaning business, but I'm probably way off base or not.

Freddy Cocek

So I'm a janitor by trade, right? So, yeah, currently we're doing the early snowboard thing. So we're sitting in Tampa, Florida. We did a transition this year for the first time with our mother family. We have three boys, a wife and I, 10, six and four now. And so we moved down to St. Pete in January and we're gonna, we'll head back in June. So we split time between here and Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky. That's right, that's right. Yep. And so Harry. Oh, yeah. So yeah, we're enjoying it, man. We've very fortunate. So I got an operation down here in Florida, and then three other states. And yeah, I've got 332 employees. And Yeah, just continue to keep growing and scaling and we've got a fantastic team. Really, that's what it's boiled down to is the team that I've been able to assemble over the years to be able to allow me to be able to do this. So really, kudos to them.

Absolutely. I was telling you earlier, before we started, I told you that buddy of mine I visited with yesterday, a big part of our conversation last night was talking about the importance of building your team for the success of your business and your operation, how crucial it is to be able to you know, he was talking about, and like in our industry, you know, we're in the oil and gas industry, talking about some of the struggles of sourcing and finding, you know, finding quality people and being able to retain them to build a good team. But man, you know, it's like one of the key characteristics for a leader, or one of the biggest elements of leadership is, knowing that you don't know everything and you don't know how to do everything, but being able to find good people to fill those spaces and fill those roles and put that team together and create that environment for them. You can't hold a good business together, let alone scale it without good people and a solid team. So that's awesome.

Yeah, I think the biggest thing, especially early on, right, is just learning, one, the benefits of the scale, right, where you, you know, you think about Dan Martell and buy back your time, right, and for me, it really helps me to buy back the time and be able to have the life that I want, right, with Chris Keely's executive assistant in the mornings, you know, I do that meeting every, you know, every, you know, 930 every morning with my COO and go through the things that we need to do. And then I just go about my day. Right. And so and how fortunate I am to be able to do that. You know, just the team that I've been able to put and assemble and place and give them the autonomy to go execute. Right. And I say it all the time. We're cleaning. We're not building a rocket to go to space. I mean, we're just cleaning around it. So don't overcomplicate it. Just do the thing. And that's a great part about the business, especially from a scaling standpoint, where it's scheduled ATM money, right? They can continue to keep doing the work, showing up and scheduling, where it's not, you got to kill what you eat every single day, right? You still want to be going and you still want to be eating, but when it's set and scaled and you can see that monthly reoccurring revenue continue to grow, It's a beautiful thing. It's slow, especially for me where I'm fucking really hyper. I didn't like things to be done really fast. It was a grind to get to this position, but it's great that we're here and stable and continue to just add the chess pieces where needed and it's good, right? I mean, I think getting this and the place that it's in now and stable and then start looking at other ventures and other avenues to create wealth is definitely on the forefront of my mind at this point.

That's, that's awesome. But yeah, you know, creating the, you know, one of the things that I've kind of picked up on pretty heavily in the last couple of years, and I've enjoyed, I'm still trying to make the transition, but I've enjoyed, you know, learning about and kind of like developing a better understanding for, for that, that transition of, yeah, any, you know, being in business is about making money. And if your business is not effectively making money, then, You're only going to go so far or if you're not being effective and you know how you're making your money or how you're managing your money, then your business is either going to be stagnant or it's going to go backwards, it's going to die, but you know, making money is, is the goal, but it's, it's kind of an awesome feeling or it has been for me. And I'm sure for yourself and your own capacities, like when you, when you reach a certain point where you've got resources to you, you've got money and wealth and resources to facilitate your, your, your, uh, your style of living and your standard of living. And then you start to realize that it's not as much about the money. Yes, it's always going to be about the money, but it's about how you use the money and the resources, how you place that, not only for yourself, but for your key players and your people to You know, just like they back to the Dan Martell thing, you know, buying back your time. And I still need to, I have not read his book. I need her. I need to get off my ass and read the book from, from everything I've heard about it. It's a, it's a fantastic pathway.

And it was just one of those things, Freddy, you know, in the beginning, right, it was like, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind. And like, like, I knew this was out here, but I didn't really understand. But yeah, to be able to take my kids to school and be able to pick them up and be able to, you know, because I lost a lot of those years when my first born came along, you know, I worked seven days a week. I didn't miss weekends when I was in my 20s. I had five different businesses. I was just like, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, because I knew I've been fortunate enough to watch my father that's been in the real estate business for 45 years and done it the right way, right? Been a man of your word, a steward, just a fantastic leader, right? That this was capable, right? So really I was just like blinders on and nothing else mattered and learned a lot, right? Because I'm one of those dudes runs 110 miles an hour into a wall and then just turns around and runs 110 miles an hour this way. And it was just one of those things I had to learn the hard way right on a lot of different things. But, you know, for me right now, you know, my focus in life is just, you know, sit back and be very grateful for what I have and let that be very present. And, you know, just, just really pour into my team and just know that I just rely on them to do their thing and And like you said, give back to them where I can and, you know, zero micromanagement, you know, give them autonomy in the deadlines to reach those goals and follow up with them all the time, you know, text and calls and motivational quotes and all these things. Right. But other than that, like they just do their thing. Right. And it's. You know, it's a great thing. And I'm fortunate about it. So especially, you know, in the world of the janitorial industry, right, where, you know, if anybody in a salaried role position, I've never lost, and I hold that pretty high, my level of, you know, business goals. And I think that's contributed to, you know, just treating them like people and not treating them like, you know, numbers and caring about them and pouring into them. And so, yeah, man, it's it's it's it's it's all good right from the business standpoint. But, yeah, right now, the focal point for this winter has been my family and. just doing different things with them and just, you know, cause they're getting older by the second, right. I think about, you know, Garth Brooks when he was in his prime and took off and then came back to music when, after his kids were grown. Right.

It's not obviously not Garth Brooks, but, um, but, but it's, I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you more credit. You got better hair.

coming from the guy that's got the hair down to his shoulders.

And yeah, well, that's just, that's just because I've just, I've just been putting off getting a haircut. I guess maybe I should do that one of these days, but a buddy Jeremy yesterday, he's like, bro, he's like, we need to figure out how you can market that. It's like that. Look that hair. I'm like, it's just hair, right? He's like, no, you need to be using that shit. I'm like, whatever, dude, whatever.

Yeah. Use that. Use it all. Yeah.

Well, it's getting longer back here, but it's getting shorter. It's like, it's like creeping backwards on me. What the fuck? This is 45 right here.

This is your 45.

Yeah, it's coming right with it. It's still hanging on though. I'm good. I'm good. No, man, dude, that's awesome. Your outlook and your perspective and approach on how to run your business, how to manage your people. I subscribe to that theory and that approach very heavily. If you, as a business owner, as a business operator, if you have been graced with the opportunity to have good people, to come across good either, Either you got lucky and had some good people come along, or you were able to seek them out and find them, or maybe they came to you and to your organization because they heard, hey, we like the way that this guy handles his business, the way that they run things and do things. If you've got good people in your organization and on your team, and you treat them accordingly, that's how your business will grow and thrive. Yeah.

And it's one of those things, right, where I can't be where all the different places I am and having dumpster fires behind me all the time, right? Like, we run a WT model. We don't sub, you know, we've controlled the quality. Yeah, we didn't turn it into a franchise model, you know what I'm saying? And it's a very expensive way to do it, right? And we're playing the long game, but like You know, we made a bet last year that we, we did, we took 11 schools on in Cleveland and now they're coming back and they're giving us 10 more and their headquarter facility. So you're, we keep, you know, from a profitability standpoint, you just keep betting on the future, but it's like, all right, we'll, we'll just bet paying off. But obviously, you know, you put enough good bets in Norway. Um, that's why people like you sports bet. I'm like, no, I don't sports, but I bet every day of my life. So I don't need a sports bet. Right. So, Um, anyway, so yeah, that, that, that, that panned off and, um, we're going to get awarded that. And we just got, um, we clean fastest growing largest churches in North America at crossroads. And they just gave us two more locations yesterday. We got awarded a flight simulator. Yeah. Thanks bro. We got ordered a flight simulator, um, state-of-the-art business.

I saw that on your story. I didn't know exactly what it's kind of what it looked like either, you know, something, you know, aeronautical type deal, like some kind of big deal.

I posted a picture that I wasn't supposed, you know, you're not supposed to take pictures of it's bright, like, proprietary government stuff, but it's all right. It is what it is. Yeah, and then go back to the manufacturing area, and they're literally building all the simulators to exactly the spec of like the Blackhawks, the different types of helicopters and airplanes. Sick. That's awesome. So 327,000 square foot brand new freestanding building next to the Tampa International Airport. We also clean 750,000 square feet that like their neighbor down the way, they do heavy jet maintenance. So, yeah, man, I just and got great customers there. I showed up the other day with a bag of bourbon for him and and he just loved it. He was like, man, I can't get this. This is I showed up and some bourbon that he can't get. You know, we clean Buffalo Trace and Four Roses in Kentucky. OK, dude, that's how I that's how my bourbon, my love for bourbon and adult sports cards came about.

I've noticed that, you know, and we've talked a couple of times. Yeah, I've noticed that, you know, you're always sharing, you know, pictures of I guess, obscure bourbons and stuff that's hard to come by or looks catchy and looks cool as hell, man. I haven't gotten into the bourbon thing. I like bourbon. I like whiskey, but I haven't gotten into the, you know, chasing it.

If I look right, I think you're into collecting animals.

Yeah, well, I've got, yeah, in my, in my office, I've got, you know, I got a few things hanging in here. Some of the small ones, that was like stuff that belonged to my dad years ago. And sure.

But I'm looking at down in St. Pete, bro. Looking at that fucking Marlin. You need to get your ass down here and we'll go fishing.

Yeah, that was that was my Cabo catch a couple of years ago, and I'm actually supposed to go to Cabo in June. So hopefully that pans out and plays out. And hopefully we catch some more fish. So yes, I need to I need to put a big Mahi on the wall. So sure.

As they say down here, dolphin.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I'm like, no. And then I mess with my kids. I'm like, no, it's not flipper. We're not catching flipper. Don't scar the children. But yeah, seriously, every time like dolphin, I'm like, no, no, no, no, not flipper. We're not. We're not. We're not catching flipper.

Yeah, don't call it a dolphin. Don't call it.

Yeah, please, please.

I got PTSD. So yeah, shit. I was I was going to ask you what you're what you're like, what what market segment does your business kind of focus on? But you kind of answered that, you know, pretty much, you know, it sounds like, you know, industrial.

I mean, honestly, honestly, brother, we'll clean anything and we do clean anything. We're like I said, our model is pretty expensive. So we're usually on the higher end side of any of those things. on those markets. But yeah, I mean, we clean car dealerships, restaurants, steakhouses, schools, churches, class A office space, mixed-use properties. I mean, the whole gambit, really. It's just, you know, it's not like we're saying, like, we have one vertical, we have one specialized. You know, we do carpet cleaning, stripping and waxing, window cleaning, pretty much anything in the power washing, anything in the realm of cleaning, we handle in some form or fashion. That's awesome.

How long have you been in the cleaning?

So I started out of my parents' basement in 2013. And then when I made the move from Champaign, Illinois, where I was originally raised and born into Cincinnati, we really put on the gas from 2017 on. So I went all in from there because I was working with my family business, Champaign. And then when I went and my wife and I moved to Cincinnati, That's all I had to go all in was the cleaning. I didn't know, I didn't really set out of college thinking I was going to be a janitor for life. So, but it was what I had. So that's what I made of it, man.

Yeah. Hey, that's, that's, uh, that's a lot of people's story. You know, it's like, we never, sometimes we, we, we never quite envision being where we're at at a given time. And I had that conversation with a kid. I say a kid the other day, this kid's like, he's a, he's an apex, this kid, uh, Stephen Schmidt. He's like 26, 27. And we were talking, he's like, man, I just, he was kind of down about some of his situation at the time. He's like, man, I just didn't feature, you know, the, the, this is where I was going to be at 26, 27, 28. And I'm like, bro, I was like, I just turned 45 and I didn't feature that my particular circumstances where I'm at now, you know, having just sold out of a business that I started and had for, you know, 13, almost 14 years. And I, me personally, I feel like I'm in a position where I almost have to, I know I'm not starting over, but it kind of feels that way. And I said, I didn't, I didn't, quote unquote, see myself here at this point in my life. I said, but, you know, that happens to everybody. I said, bro, be be be fucking grateful for the fact that you've had the opportunities you've had up to that point in your life and capitalize on that. Keep keep rolling with it. I can be grateful.

And that's why Gary always talks about right at 26. I mean, even that for me for 37 and 45, we're fucking babies. People just think, people want everything now. Everybody wants to be a multimillionaire, retired, have a jet in three years. Like, I think you can start a company and it's just like, you have jet money. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't work like that. Right. Especially when you look at the statistics and everything else. So, you know, and it's just one of those things where that's kind of the downfall really for social media and everything else where everyone sees, you know, the highlight reels and they don't see the long nights, early days fucking, you know, factoring loans and getting, you know, you know, get millions of dollars in debt and doing this and, you know, that. taking this risk and sliding these chess pieces that way, you know what I'm saying? Everybody sees the Bugattis and the bullshit. And it is what it is, right? I get people are going to do that and flaunt their shit, and it is. But, you know, really, it's the other side. And that's why, you know, Ryan always talks about, you know, the other side of it right now, right? What's the real flex? You know, the families. you know, the being present with your family and, you know, having this office building or doing having this many employees are taking care of this many, you know, I got 332 families that rely on my decisions to make payroll, you know, it's a fucking lot every, you know, every other Friday. So, um, and that's the flex, right? And continue to be able to do that and support, you know, all those families and do that, versus, you know, the cars and all that bullshit. So,

Yeah, the shiny stuff is cool, but that's another thing. It's like as we're growing into the people that we're becoming or that we're meant to become as we age ever so gracefully, that realization that the fancy, the badass car, and the cool watch, and the Gucci bags, and the Louis shit. All that's cool. It's great. You watch some of these people that have gone from where they were at at baseline and done well for themselves. That's awesome. It's kind of interesting to watch that progression on other people, but then to start living it or realizing that you're living it and you've gone through your progression. It's like, yeah, man, I wanted to buy this thing and I got that and I got that and all that shit was cool. And then you start to realize, you know what's really cool? you know, the fact that I can fucking be home and take my kids to school and make it to just like, you know, my boys are 23 and 15. So I'm within, you know, my 15 year old will be 16 in July. And so he's got two more years of school. And then he's already told me, you know, he wants to go. He wants to go overseas, like he wants to go to Europe and go study abroad for college. And I have a very strong feeling that he will probably follow that path. And I told him, I said, if that's what you want to do, I support you 10 fucking thousand percent. And I want you to do that because that's an opportunity that I didn't have, but I want both of you boys to be able to follow most of it. As long as y'all don't want to do meth, I'll support you and I'll follow your dreams and I'll help you get there. to my point, it's awesome to like grow older and wiser and realize where the real value lies in things. And like you say, the real flex is not, I got a fucking Bugatti in the garage or, you know, I got- And it's cool, right?

Like I have those goals, right? Like I have like, get the nice watch or the nice bottle of bourbon or get a Lamborghini one day, or, you know, even like when I got like my nice, like when I got in a truck or got my, you know, a house in Florida at, you know, 35 or whatever. But what's cool is that I actually got to come down here and utilize it. I got to forward think and say, OK, can I be an early snowbird? And I'm down here with my family and totally put my kids outside of their comfort zone to go to two different schools at that age and do those things and be with them and support them and just to try it out. Right. Like now, looking back on, I'm like, wow, I'm glad I did that. Right. That's cool for me. Like, yeah, the business success and all that stuff is one thing. And, um, and it's whatever, right? Like I just think, um, and it's one of those things, like I said, early on in the beginning, like I thought that was the end all be all. And when you start getting the things, you're like, oh, it's okay.

Like that's off real quick. Yeah. And it's, it's kind of a strange feeling how that stuff kind of like loses its luster to a degree. Like once you got it, I mean, it's, it's great that, you know, if you, if you wanted something, once you achieved it, yeah, it's bad-ass, but then it's like, afterwards it's kind of like, eh, well, Okay. Yeah, for sure. But you know that I attribute that to like the progression. It's like, yeah, you know, hell, I want to have a fucking Bugatti or whatever. And it's like now, like, like my, my five year goal from from here, you know, by the time I hit 50, like, I need to have I need to have the piece of property that I want to, I don't know if I want to like ultimately retire there and live there, you know, the rest of my days, but I at least want to have what I consider like a piece of, you know, I want to have like a few hundred acres of property and real estate where That's my go-to, like that's my happy place. And that's like a place where I want to go out and I want to hand build like a stone cabin house, whatever you call it.

You need to build, your personality is a barndo, bub. You need to build a big-ass barndo. You can pull that fucking big-ass dually in there.

Well, that's, that's where I'll live, you know, but I do like legitimately, like I want to build like one of my, I've had this, this thought for years. I want to, I want to hand build, uh, like a, a stone house, a stone cabin that, you know, can be like the little, like the little retreat, the little getaway. And I'm like, I'm within shit. I'm, you know, my, my oldest kid, you know, a year from now, I could have grandkids on the ground. And I'm like, I'm thinking forward to that. I'm like, I want to build that place that, you know, 10, you know, 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now, I want to, I want to share those experiences and have that stuff with my grandkids. And then I want that to be like that, like the legacy thing that stays with the family and the kids. you know, for, for decades. So that's like a, that's like a big goal of mine.

You're changing your thought process to your legacy piece now. I mean, not, not for me, but for what's coming down the pipe.

Exactly.

Yeah. That's awesome.

It's fantastic. I'm trying to think more like an adult and less like, you know, an idiot, like, you know, I did for, you know, the first 40 years, I guess.

He's like, I'm going to put on my adult cap.

Yeah, I put up put my big boy pants on literally, you know, instead of instead of being a, you know, a thinking in a different direction.

So run me through this hunt where you shot that massive. How do you pronounce it?

Oh, that that's, it's a they're from the Oryx. It's from the Oryx family. They call it a Simbok.

Yeah. And then that was just when you're telling your, you were saying earlier about your buddy that flips ranches, do they do that? They put like exotic animals on ranch.

The ranch, the, the, the rent. And that's a, that's like a big thing over here in Texas. There's a, there's a big market, uh, for, um, and another, another friend of mine that was out there yesterday, he's actually like in the ranch real estate. He he's getting into that and he's actually getting some traction and doing well, but there's a, there's a big market over here right now. for basically where a lot of, I say a lot of people, I mean there's people that have the resources or have the know-how to go in and do it where they'll buy these ranches and essentially, you know, make improvements. You know, there's a big market over here in the state of Texas for these like exotic, what they consider exotic animals. A lot of African African animals, the Oryx family, and the Nilgai, and stuff like that. A lot of those animals are indigenous to India, but there's a huge trade over here with what are considered exotics that are non-native species. because it's not regulated by Texas Parks and Wildlife, or at least there's not a season. It's not like whitetail deer, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. You know, and just like you were talking about with oil and gas, it doesn't stop because they own it. There's a there's a huge trade on all that stuff. So there's there's a lot of places like, you know, my buddy that flipped that ranch. Yeah, they, they, they buy animals and put them out there. And you know, they're feeding, you know, they're feeding protein and corn and stuff, you know, they're feeding year round, they're putting in the infrastructure to make sure that there's water to sustain, you know, sustain everything. And that's like a, that's a big draw. That's a big selling point on a lot of this, this ranch real estate right now. A lot of, you know, what do they do for it?

They just dig wells forms.

Yeah. There's, there was a water. Yeah. Water wells is mostly drilling water wells is mostly the, if you don't have live water, if you're not on a Creek or a river or something like that, if you don't have live water, then, you know, typically it's, you know, drilling water wells and, and digging ponds and pits or my buddy Damien that was there yesterday, the one that's in the real estate, the ranch real estate stuff. He has a company where they don't drill water wells, but they provide they build infrastructure for, you know, for supplying, you know, supplying water, you know, like in these, these ranch and ag applications, where they, they'll, they'll build, they can custom build troughs and enclosures and ponds and stuff. And then they, they do the water lines and piping to, to run water from, from water wells or from water source to, you know, remote areas. I mean, some of these ranches down here, you know, several thousand acres. There's some people that put, so like the, you ever heard of those Buc-ee's convenience stores over here? Oh yeah. Okay. I love Buc-ee's. The guy that owns the Buc-ee's or started the Buc-ee's thing, actually he owns a ranch, I'm sure he owns several ranches, but there's one that's actually maybe an hour and a half west from where I'm at and a few years ago I was out there on the ranch I mean this this ranch was probably I don't know two or three thousand acres and you're like driving along down the main road and then just all of a sudden boom there's like a concrete trough on the side of the road like a you know say like a you know three foot by 10 foot, two by eight, whatever. And then you go on down another couple hundred yards going down the main road and boom, there's another trough. And this is all just like brush area, just brush land. So there's like these random concrete water troughs that are strategically placed and positioned out in the middle of nowhere, driving down this, this collegiate road going, and there, there was, there was oil and gas. They had, I guess they had leased the property and there was, there was drilling and fracking and stuff going on out there, but it's like, you're driving along and then just all of a sudden, boom, there's these concrete troughs and they run, you know, thousands and thousands of feet of, you know, either, either, uh, like spooled, uh, poly line or, you know, PVC pipe mode, usually that poly line. And they'll tie that stuff into a water source, a big water well or whatever, and providing, setting up remote water access for either native animals or cattle or whatever. But most of that stuff was all just for native wildlife. And that's like, that's a huge thing like that. That business, it's pretty wild. But that, like, you know, we talked about that a lot yesterday over there, Jeremy's place, you know, he said, man, he said, you know, from, I think that place that they just sold recently, I think that was the third thing you said that was the third ranch that they've done over the last, I don't know, a couple of years, two or three years. And, you know, water water is probably the most critical element. It's more critical than food, because if you don't have, you know, if there's no water availability, animals can't exist there. I went and hunted in Mexico, About an hour south of the border. This is back down there. Yeah, it was it was it was cool, man. It was it was a fun experience. But that that's that's a different. That's a different hunt because there is, you know, the availability of water is It's like that man. And I mean, yeah, yeah. And yeah, I mean, it's like a, it's a, it's a huge thing. Uh, if, if there's, if there's an area where there's no water, they're going to be no fucking animals. Correct. Oh, that's why that's why I asked.

Yeah, I was like, man, yeah, that yeah, it makes sense. Right? They set those places up just like a business. I'm sure there's people that go out and survey the fields and know exactly how many animals you need this much water this much resource. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, being in Steumann's Ranch and seeing that, dude, and obviously, I would, yeah, I mean, that's definitely the ultimate getaway for me and definitely one of the things I, we were looking at a farm, I was coming out of a 1031 exchange, I was looking at a farm in Kentucky, it just wasn't the right time, but definitely either a farm there or a farm somewhere. with boys and all that. I mean, it's the best, dude. And you see, I look at your side by side and you guys doing that thing, I get jealous, man. That thing's awesome. That's nothing but fun.

Yeah, it's, dude, that's like, again, to the point of the whole deal of, you know, your shift and your priorities and what's, you know, what's your vision of wealth. It goes from having the shiny, flashy, cool stuff to be like, You know, the big flex is I want some acreage and some room to spread out and room to roam and, you know, space for my kids to go and, you know. Peace and quiet. Exactly. You know, get away from everything and enjoy the experience of that. That's like a whole deal all in itself. Absolutely. Awesome. It's been good. This has been fantastic, dude.

Yeah, dude, it's awesome to catch up with you. And, you know, we've been talking a bunch, but it's awesome. We obviously put, you know, get on here and learn a little bit more about each other. And then obviously with this continuing to progress and hopefully someday soon we're killing something together.

Yeah, I think that's a, that's a good plan.

That's a good plan. We'll do a trade off. I'll get you up to our, my buddies in Paris, Illinois. We're on this Illinois, Illinois, Indiana state border there. We've got thousands of birds, millions probably, and then shoot some ducks and geese and get down to Texas and shoot whatever we got.

Come down here. Uh, the, those, uh, uh, nil guy, nil guy is another, another big, uh, yeah.

Stuman was telling me about that.

Yeah.

So they shot one of you, didn't he?

Yeah, I met up with them down there when he was down there with Sammy, and they had already shot it and killed it before I got there, but I've hunted right down in that same area. So those Nilgai, that's another thing. Those animals were imported to South Texas by, it was actually by the King Ranch back in like early 1900s. They imported those animals, those Nilgai are, I think they're indigenous or native to some area of India, but they were brought over for some sort of a exhibition or whatever. I don't remember what the whole premise was, but, they brought them over. And, you know, King Ranch has like hundreds of thousands of acres, you know, you have the King Ranch is a huge ranch here. And then the Kennedy like down there, we're assuming them were at the Kennedy is another, you know, several 100,000 acres collectively. But they brought those animals over. And they I mean, they flourish down here. So they're, I mean, they're, they're, they taste really good, too. They eat fantastic, fucking amazing. Yeah. They just like establish themselves and a lot of the, I mean, they've become a, it's a huge market to hunt those animals down here. People pay big money to go and hunt them, but they've become almost like an invasive species. It's like the hogs. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're, they're, I don't know if they're as bad as hogs. They're probably, well, they're just as destructive, but they're like a hell of a lot bigger. You know, it's full grown Nilgai bull. They're like, you know, five, six, 700 pounds. And they're big. Holy shit. Yeah, they're fucking huge. Yeah, dude. They then they, they run, they they they're like a If you see one or you see them in motion, they're like a cross. They're about the size of beef cattle, but they run like a horse. And one of the big struggles with them down here and the reason they're kind of considered invasive and a nuisance is because they tear up a lot of fences and structures. very rarely do they jump fences. They just run straight through fences. Yeah. So, and that, you know, if you've got cattle ranches and stuff down here, they're trying to keep cattle separated or keep them out of areas. And, and those new guy are bad about, you know, destroying fences and causing problems with livestock. And so they, uh, it's a problem. Yeah, they're, they're, they're problematic, but they taste really good. So yeah, they're fun to hunt. You want, if, uh, I I'd love to fucking, you know, do, do a, a, a whitetail hunt or something up in, uh, in Midwest or up in that neck of the woods. You want to come down here and deal guy hunt. We either, either, uh, you hunt them in the dark with thermals at night. No, or, or you can hunt them during the day. I mean, you can hunt them day or night because they're, uh, it's not, it's not regulated. You can hunt them in the dark or hunt them in the daylight, but in the daylight, man, they, they're, they're a very keen animal. And they typically will, if they see you, usually by the time you see them, they've already seen you and they don't stick around. So they're hard to hunt in the daylight, but it's fun. Wow. Yeah.

Well, okay, good. I'll write that down.

Make some plans. Yeah, we'll have to put something together on both ends at some point.

Yeah, absolutely, man.

Well, hey, I've enjoyed it. I appreciate your time, brother. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely, brother. We'll be talking. Yes, sir. Absolutely. Good talk. Good luck on your business and things going forward, and hopefully this year stays good to you. Yep, absolutely, brother. We'll be talking. Okay. Have a good day. Yes, sir. Take care, brother. Thank you.

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