Sorry Not Sorry: We Brought Receipts And Kimchi

Rumors are loud. Results are louder. We open the door on taekwondo’s toughest questions—who controls the sport, who actually gets supported, and how a system built on optics quietly drains the people doing the work. No jargon, no corporate gloss, just coaches and athletes laying out what’s broken and how to fix it.

We start where many of you live right now: US Open planning. Vegas usually delivers, but the math is different this year—visa uncertainty, point resets, and creeping fees that punish participation. We break down what clubs should watch for, how to weigh event value versus experience, and why price transparency matters if the goal is development. From “pick your division” add-ons to coaching passes, we call for a saner, athlete-first model that doesn’t mistake revenue for growth.

Then we get into the heart of high performance. Stipends that don’t cover rent, seminars that double as fundraising, and a “support package” that looks big on paper but leaves medalists short on cash. We lay out a clean solution: real residency support (housing, food, transport), tiered camps that separate world-level and development athletes, and an open seminar brokerage where every athlete can earn under clear terms. Nonprofits should prove it with numbers—publish how much reaches training, travel, coaching, and medical. If coaches make six figures and champions can’t pay bills, the model is upside down.

We also tackle governance and culture. Closed boards, recycled leadership, and decisions framed as “tradition” weaken performance and trust. Keep your best people by protecting athlete-coach relationships, listening when red flags pop up, and building pathways that survive personalities. Sport is supposed to be merit-based—like a second-division team knocking out a giant. Let structure amplify merit, not bury it under politics.

If you care about athletes getting what they need to win, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share with your team, and tell us: what’s the first change you’d make to put athletes first?

Transcript

Cold Open, Banter, AI Bits

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Miyana Jiman Shinjon. Back today is a remote day. I am remotely remoting from a remote location that will be undisclosed. Since our award show, I've got many um awards and thank yous, and uh, but there have been a few threats, you know, from a I don't know, it sounded like a Crayola crayon box, green, brown, blue, I don't know what. And uh, but uh, you know, we are fearless, we do what is right for the right reasons, fight the powers that be, speak truth to power, as TJ likes to say. Good morning, coaches. What's going on? Oh, by the way, this is the warehouse 15, and we are sorry, but not sorry, and that will remain to be the case. Gentlemen, what's up? Is that some sort of gang sign? Do I need to make a phone call to uh whatever her name is? Uh Naomi Katomi, whatever, who's the president of uh ICE? What's her name? Katana Banana.

SPEAKER_05 1:01

Hi, man. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Dude, you better watch out. That may be some AI. You know, I'm making America great. I'm making America great.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

You're like the AI king, though. We never know what's gonna pop up. So I'm always excited to see what happens to my face when the actual podcast comes out.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Dude, did you see that one where Jake Paul actually did the open for the show? Did I send you guys that one?

SPEAKER_01 1:21

I saw that.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Yeah, that's pretty cool. And then I saw the Olympic team trials in Jell-O, and then there was a couple of ballet dancers that have been posted that are now training for the game. So we've gone into uh deep athletic pools of athleticism in uh failed figure skaters and failed ballerinas. So male and female.

SPEAKER_05 1:41

Some of the AI stuff is I mean, it's hilarious, but it's it gets into crazy. But like what they did with like Trump and uh Maduro from Venezuela, what they do with the football coaches going shaking hands, and one guy like punches them and knees them and drops them on the ground, and it's so funny, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

I mean, some of it's a little bit over the top, but I what my wife plays million plays me a million videos of these are real videos of Philadelphia Eagle fans after they lost somehow to San Francisco, the 49. I I just was laughing. This guy's like, am I okay? Am I okay?

SPEAKER_05 2:16

San Francisco. I mean, that's crazy how they I I tell you what, you gotta give those guys a lot of credit because they have more injuries than anybody, and they're just figuring out a way to win. But I think their luck runs out, I think, against Seattle. I think Seattle's gonna get them. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think the Rams are gonna freeze in Chicago. So they called me like minus 10.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

They called me to play. So you know they're in trouble if they're getting down to that deep in the bench. And they I said what position? They said any position.

SPEAKER_05 2:45

How do you compare it? Those long ass guerrilla arms, he just lifted arms up, he'd be blocking field goals. That boy got like nine-foot inspector gadget arms.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

There wouldn't be a field goal scored. There wouldn't be well. I could block him against that one guy who's missed three. Whoever that was that the was that the Eagles?

SPEAKER_05 3:03

Uh no. Oh, that was uh No, the Packers. Packers, yeah. The Packers, McManus, bro. Was it 21-3?

SPEAKER_01 3:10

I did 21-3.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

He needs to find another job. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was fascinating. The Bears won, yeah. I was sitting with a Bears fan during that, and these Packers fans were all having fun and stuff. We're at some hoodlum bar, like dive bar, because you know, he wanted to swim low in the waters. His the dad of my daughter's friend. And uh, so he's like, Hey, you don't mind? I go, mind. I said, This is you know the worst case of a dive bar. East Palo Alto's not even the that's nicer than the nicest bar, the worst bar in New York. So but uh yeah, it was funny to watch these Packer fans. Yeah, it was pretty funny because you know, me, I don't know anything about sport like that. So I was like, did they score yet?

SPEAKER_01 3:53

He was in there going, the WT, I'm trying to tell you.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

Dr. Joe's gotta go. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

Hey, hey, before we before before we uh uh we before we move on, like uh so next week um we're going to try to go live or have some uh live interaction. So uh we're gonna be putting up some uh some posts when you know the time, you know. So if uh people want to either uh get in on the on the on the podcast or if they want to send in a message, you know, we can have some uh interaction like that. So I'm putting it in or money, or Ven Venmo, PayPal. What else you got? Well, Cash App. Cash App, Cash App, Zell. Zell is good. No, so anyway, we're gonna we're gonna figure that out. I know a couple of people asked last week and we just didn't have enough time to kind of give everybody notice because we're a little sporadic with our we're gonna put it up, we're gonna put it up on the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

What I what I suggest we do, which I don't know why we haven't done it, I may do it while we're sitting here. We need to create a Facebook page or an Instagram page.

SPEAKER_05 5:07

Of course, TJ is doing it.

SPEAKER_03 5:08

All right, so create a Facebook page. I'll send you the link. And in fact, I'm gonna send the link to you now so you can't say I didn't do it. The link will be up for a zoom because the zoom will work perfectly. And uh when you get to the zoom, zoom, zoom, I want to zoom, zoom with you, then you can zoom it and it will be great. So I this will be our our little book.

SPEAKER_05 5:33

And then we can just let we can we can we can let them in and we can like boom, they'll pop up. We can talk to them, and we don't like them. We give them the yeah, give them the boom.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

Well, we'll we can yeah, you may get silenced, and remember, if you get silenced, sorry, not sorry. Yeah, sorry, not sorry. You know how it goes, right? So that's how the world works. The um I'll give my yo yo.

Sports Talk And Weekend Stories

SPEAKER_05 5:56

Let's get into this, man. I gotta I got I got something to say real fast before we kind of go let's go stuff. I gotta I gotta I gotta hit the rumor mill.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Rumor mill.

SPEAKER_05 6:05

A rumor mill.

unknown 6:07

Yo, man.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

The rumor mill. The rumor mill is it's not a rumor because it's true, but I I gotta say the person's name, but I get a call, and I'm gonna preface this by saying the guy that called me was Asian, Korean, to be uh direct, and he called me to tell me that somebody called him because somebody called him. You guys follow that? Do you follow it? I follow it. So the guy calls me, somebody called him, and somebody called him. And the rumor is this is the part I'll say is a rumor because I obviously I didn't hear this firsthand, that the fearless leader, Mr. Clinton Oh, who's apparently doesn't watch our podcast, but apparently watches our podcast.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Great point. That's a great point.

SPEAKER_05 6:55

Is calling Korean masters and saying that Juan Moreno is talking bad about Korean masters. Which the Korean guy there was talking to me, I laughed. I said, listen, first of all, you guys would be me.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

That would be me. That's the wrong guy.

SPEAKER_05 7:10

Purple res. We kind of look like let me take off my glasses. No, I said, but no, I said, listen.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

I go, first of all, you but you know why that is. Wait, let me let me finish. Because we all look alike Puerto Ricans and Mexicans.

SPEAKER_05 7:23

See how it is, see how it's going. Nah, but I said, I go, I I I was joke with them. I'm like, come on, first of all, I go, if if I want to speak about Korean masters, I'll I won't speak about Korean masters, I'll say somebody's name. Just like if I want to say about a Hispanic person or a black person or another Asian person, I don't say their names just like I said his name. So I think it's funny that going around to random Korean masters and trying to drum up negativity that I'm talking about them. No, I talked about him. And I said, first of all, some of my best friends are masters and grandmasters, Grandmaster Lee, Master Park, Master Sa, Master Sangcha. Don't make me go to the old school ones. You know, I mean, it's just like it's hilarious that this I'm gonna now, now look at me, look at me. This kid, this young boy is going out there trying to say things that I'm saying things about creating masters, which is the furthest from the truth. I made a comment about your major decision, and you're gonna spin it to that. Shame on you, and now you have to answer for that, boy. Yeah, and now I said it. I you you said it last time, young. I was saying young man, you know, you know, director, but no, man, you're gonna kind of do that. That's sneaky old school little high school shit. I told I was I literally told my my my one of my daughters, and they're like, that sounds like high school stuff. I'm like, exactly, unbelievable. These are we're supposed to be grown men. You got a question, come talk to me. You know my phone number. You called my you call me personally, you know where I'm at. If you got a question, act like a man and talk to me. Because if not, you're just being a little kid and you're just spreading stupid stuff. So that's the rumor mill. That's let me get out of the way.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

That sounds about right, though. That tracks, it all tracks.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Every single problem that comes into your life has to be forced to do it. There you go, he's just solving it for you know, become an expert problem solver. This guy a lot of people what's the reason? Your problems linger in your life, and never disappear. Right. You know, what happens the next day more problems come into place, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:38

This guy looks like he hasn't missed a buffet in quite some time. So he I don't know why he gets to talk. I just gotta be, I gotta be honest. I just don't understand why we let this guy talk or even occupy our time.

SPEAKER_05 9:51

But I literally said last, I literally said last last podcast it wasn't personal at all. Because I don't I don't know the gentleman. I don't know him like intimately. I know who he is, of course, but no personal relationship. So it wasn't nothing, it was just literally an organizational comment, something that I didn't agree with, blah, blah, blah. And then you you gotta go to that little kid left.

Going Live And Building Community

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Yeah, but let me let me help let me help you for a minute because I, you know, uh, you are you got to uh solve solve your problems, uh, and uh, you know, you solve your problem after you close it. Uh Mama, can you bring me some more kimchi, please? I and some more bugogi. I and well, definitely bring me pop, because my name in Korean means a pop tongue, which means an ice container.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Also a euphemism for not so smart. But um, he is a genius. I've never seen him, but he's a good eater. You'll give him that. So maybe next time I'm in Texas, he can bring me to a uh a barbecue. But anyway, enough of that. I I just can't. Is that from Texas? No. What was he no? What was he doing in Texas? Then that thing is from Texas. He created a massive explosion of problems. And man, I've seen, you know how many times I've seen this guy's face in um in rooms in various various things. And I'm just tired of these guys who do uh the flexing on ethnicity and then want to talk about yo, he's an owner of multiple schools in New York. Oh, he's from New York.

SPEAKER_05 11:20

No, he's how he's got like they have like 60, 70 schools. His father.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

Yeah, but how can how can you be from New York and not have an accent? Well, I don't know. I don't get. But anyway, no, I don't want to talk about this guy. Yeah, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 11:34

I just I just I just it's it's funny, like you know, in America when people bring up certain you know, races or ethnicities and stuff like that, it's kind of like a lightning bolt. And in our little world, oh don't say anything about the Koreans. I mean, again, I have some of my best friends are Koreans, don't like act like that. I'm going out and saying generally I'm I'm putting all Korean masters in some kind of like it's just it's it's it drives me nuts because I haven't heard that one for a long time, to be honest with you. I haven't heard it for a long time. And this guy brings it up.

The Rumor Mill And Clarifications

SPEAKER_03 12:04

So listen, there's two or three groups out there, just so we've aired this problem for a minute. There are two or three groups out there, two international groups, that hold on to the only thing they have, which is not a brain trust, because they're not the brightest bunch. They hold on to the WT because that they want to keep it in Korea because, again, not the brightest bunch. And if they were to internationalize it just like baseball did, then the Japanese run baseball and and the Afghanis and other people run other sports like wrestling and and judo's run by um a guy from Bulgaria. So when you open your sport up to the world, then you get the best and the brightest and the more capable. The Koreans maintain a stranglehold on Taekwondo because they keep it in Korea. So you have that problem with the WT. And then I looked at the um recent board selection for the Kookie one, which is only worse. Kim Park Lee, Kim Park Lee, Kim Park Lee, oh, Kim Park Lee. And um surprise, surprise, oh, it's Kim Park Lee. Nom nom nom. You know, num nuts. But with all that said, they keep that ethnicity because that's the only thing they have going for them. And if they lose that, then when you ask the questions why, it's always back to tradition, or you won't understand when you're ready, we'll tell you, or you're ready, you'll understand. I'm 66 years old. I'm a ninth-on black belt Olympic gold medalist. If I don't understand by now, what hope do any of you have? So stop drinking the Kool-Aid or um, actually, stop drinking the bodhi cha, which is the Korean version of kimchi, kimchi uh rice, barley, wine, water you get when you go to a Korean restaurant, which they did in part because the water sources weren't clean, so you had to boil it. And when you boil it, you put bodhi cha together because then you knew it was clean and whatever. With all that said, like one, I have a ton of Korean brothers and um that I love. But when I see the ass clowns that this guy is one of, you know, the guys that put on a suit and then speak in a fake um inherited Korean accent, which they refuse to allow themselves to uh get rid of. But then they come and they use the R their ethnicity to pick the pockets of the people that are just not smart enough to do any better. At some point, people will realize that and they'll stop popularizing the Kookie One and the WT and start to make it like it should be a performance organization because we're a sports performance organization. Um, with that said, don't mistake that as what Coach Moreno was saying, that Moreno and Perez are different. Perez said it, and if you have an issue with me, I'm not that hard to find, write me a note. I'll gladly respond. And it's not untrue what I said. If you want to convince me that the Kookie One board is the most and best talented, go right ahead and try to prove that. So you're telling me that there's not a single non-Korean in the entire world, in a world organization, that has the expertise to sit on that board, give me a break. If you're telling me Cho, Cho Cho choke myself, Cho, um, who hasn't met a bottle of alcohol he hasn't drank in the past year or two or twenty, who is the malcontent son of the successful family. The only thing left for him to do was to do taekwondo because they don't want to let him run the university into the ground. You're telling me he's the best president? Well, I I beg to differ. I've seen presidents and I can tell you he's no president. But with that said, let's be clear who said it. I said it. Not hard to find. Want to take issue with it? Come take issue with it. But make sure that when you bring your opinion, bring facts, because you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. And then finally, so I can say it clearly, even more clearly, my record speaks for itself. Show me one individual that I've spoken about that has a record like mine, and then I'll shut up. But anyway, that was TJ's tirade that I spoke to him. He said to me in a chat. I just texted that whole day, so especially the Korean water.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

The Korean water, that's my that was me.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

All right. I have one black friend, and he's on this podcast, but anyway, so uh so you know. Oh, but it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

But that's most people in the world, though. Like they they make a decision on their own, then they run and look for help to go and mucky the water and like kind of move it away from the things that they've said and done. Like, you've done this, you did this, this is your act, and you're moving in a direction, and now you're making it about something on your heart and totally off the wall. Like, what is what is that? You're talking, think about that. We got on here and it's like, oh, yeah, all Korean masters are bad. Like, nobody said anything close to that. Even Grandmaster over here, he never goes, everybody's bad, but let this guy do it to someone else, and it's it's crazy because, like you said, unfortunately, everyone here has an inbox, everyone here has a cell phone number, everyone here has an email, everyone here has a telephone number, and you hear nothing from anyone.

SPEAKER_03 16:47

Not hard to find, not hard to find.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Nobody got nothing to say.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

But make sure you bring your bring, make sure you bring your sharp sword, because I can guarantee you one thing. My sword is sharp. So when you come, come with your wit and your repartee and your debate. Come to me.

SPEAKER_05 17:02

That's a good point, though, TJ.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

You'll leave crying.

SPEAKER_05 17:05

You said, like, you know, some there was a topic, and then you spun it to like other things, you know. Okay, wait a minute. How did we get over there? We're over here. Let's let's let's let's deal with this problem or question or you know, uh statement. So listen again. I I mean that's it's a little that was a little long-winded and stuff like that, but you know, let's move on. 17 minutes. Yeah, well, sorry. The uh I was thinking about like uh like the US Open. Like, what do you I mean, TJ? I was thinking about as and we still got a month and a half, whatever, but like now with the uh uh did you see that they they just pulled all the visas like for like 70 countries, and so like I was I was wondering like first of all, I didn't know how big the US Open would be. It's in Vegas, that's usually a slam dunk, that's usually pretty good, but um it's it's it seems to be extremely expensive right now. Um the points reset so you can only get 20 points. So I don't know how many people will actually, I don't know, partake. And then, you know, with the visa issue, like I was wondering what you thought about that. Like, you know, it's uh you know what your feelings were like on the US Open stuff.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

I'm always like you just said, I'm always excited when the US Open's in Vegas. It's always adds a little layer of like, you know, kind of fun to it, kind of excitement to it. But like I said, with the again, we went through it last time with the points resetting, it's just like I don't know, I don't know who's gonna show up. I don't know. It's more of a development tournament for me. You know what I mean? I'm taking my guys there to go and just fight because there's really nothing to be, I'm gonna say gained or lost other than ex other than experience and good matches and stuff to go back home and work on, you know.

SPEAKER_05 18:37

A side note, like I I don't know if I touched on this last couple of times ago, but I registered for the uh uh had my my daughter registered for the uh the East Regional, and the East Regional, well that's a regional for USA Taekwondo, is more expensive than the US Open. How's that for? Like, that's crazy. It's like 235 bucks or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

But if you're like Forms and Pumsei and Creative Dance splits or something, two two something. Just one event, one event.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

It's 190. It's 190 to what the heck is he gonna show that? It's 190 to register. Yeah, five dollars.

unknown 19:22

Take it off, take it.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

You going to Vegas, Grandmaster?

SPEAKER_03 19:32

Anyway, that'll be the uh that'll be us us when we get a chance.

SPEAKER_05 19:37

That might be me if I lose all my money gambling. Going home. Driving home. No, um 190 plus five for administrative fee, right? And then$35 to pick your division, which I don't really understand. Like, why pay$190 and then you gotta pay$35 to pick your division? Of course, I gotta pick a division going. Isn't that what the registration is for? How much is USL?

SPEAKER_01 19:59

I have

SPEAKER_03 20:00

looked at the athlete registration i just did the coaches on oh my gosh i i have to i i have it somewhere i'll look it up here let me i gotta look it up yeah maybe because it's it's it's a wt you know under that i'm sure they i'm sure they do have some kind of control of like what a g2 open costs possibly and what you can charge and blah blah blah but still but still you're going to an international g2 open event and that's more than more than uh a a a local tournament 104 bucks that's for me that was the other coaching was 104 so what is the athlete what what do i have to pay you gotta pay a lot they they're gonna they're gonna put your ass in cuffs when you walk in they're gonna put you in a handcuffs i went to milan i went to milan with my wife and i was dressed in shorts and you know when you go there it's a very fashionable city and we're just like we took a train from from uh geneva i was there for an Olympic thing and so we go let's go to Milan I get on the train finally get there I go to walk into a store and I'm dressed like I would normally dress and as I walk up to the door the guy goes Nick can't come in no I can't come in like you obviously I'm like I was gonna like I have money was like no man you're not dressed appropriately you can't you can't even shop there if you don't look good 162 162 bucks if for my daughter to fight for you talking about US open US open yeah that's crazy like I don't even understand that part yeah like the whole picking of the vision is 30 bucks like they're just adding next there's gonna be like the the the clicking of the sending the email costs six dollars eighty two cents you know that'd be ask a question three bucks it's like with the old southwest airline you ask the time they give you five bucks for sure that's you want a glass of water you get the water but you don't get the glass you got to pay for the cut oh you want a water you want a water open up open up hey they got those um if you want to pay in advance eight years out you can get uh the VIP membership and get one free coaching pass somewhere and apparently they're gonna have a VIP room somewhere you should definitely do that yeah let's do that and then we gotta think I got a life I got a life I got a lifetime membership I do too I got a lifetime membership we all I didn't pay for anything I got a lifetime membership TJ you have one yeah of course I'm not I shouldn't have said it out loud they're gonna slice it oh you're gonna slice it you're gonna cut the program like no more lifetime membership me no after Olympic games I've had a lifetime membership since the Olympic games they gave it to you someone did it's in the system ma'am you gotta cause me to pay for my membership now ah shit we in trouble uh Mr.

SPEAKER_06 22:39

CEO McNally uh I think you should uh make uh terrorist jennings pay for his it was grandfathered in so he shouldn't be awarded that we gotta go check this status and get some get some back pay they're gonna send the bill you can you you're gonna try to go into things can be like eh eh on the on the screen you ain't getting no credential you ain't getting no credential I think it says my membership expires in like year 3000 wow I should uh no I can't do it but yeah can't do it maybe in 2028 maybe if there's a change oh my gosh well let you tell the story of when when uh you decided to re resign or not accept membership that's so well known uh everybody knows the story I was a member of the Priars Club and uh what do we what do you want to say to dentists and uh well a whole group of people that I have very little in common with unless I need my teeth pulled off.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

So after the third week I send them a telegram and says please accept my resignation I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member but that's all right all right that's that's it that's us we don't we would not be a member of any club that would have us as a member.

SPEAKER_05 24:01

Speaking of the US Open again this is like some wild stuff did you see like these comments by one of the more prominent uh US Olympians medalist uh father about not going to the USA Open because it's expensive and you shouldn't go until they give money to the athletes well US Open so I saw I saw him say a couple of things I don't know what's going on lately.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

I mean he it was about I think there was uh Faith was doing a seminar too and he said he said bring lots of cash and pay her and not USAT my question is this and I think I asked you earlier and I'll ask maybe I don't know you probably don't know the answer obviously well like I know that they they kind of put that whole system up to have these guys go out and do seminars which again for me I don't necessarily agree with but that's just how I feel I think that used to be a very personal thing for athletes to do to kind of you know get their name out there help and give back and obviously make a little bit extra money on their own but his comment makes it seem like these guys are doing it or I'm not sure how much they're actually getting paid for their time to actually go do these seminars and things in different places. I know the the setup says you know they come they'll send someone there they pay for their flights they pay for the hotel and they pretty much you got to have a certain number of members blah blah blah blah blah so I'm I'm curious to know if that was kind of connected to you know maybe they're not getting paid what they're supposed to get paid for these seminars or something like that.

US Open Outlook, Visas, And Costs

SPEAKER_05 25:14

I mean you would know if they go there inside yeah I mean she was obviously you know listen I if they go and do those if the kids are working or whatever they should be getting paid you know pretty good. I mean obviously I I make a you know a living doing sports seminars and stuff like that. So I mean there's you know money coming in that shouldn't you know should definitely go line share to them to supplement their their monthly payments or you know sal your salaries that they get but you know I I I saw him write a post about you know you know sometimes people try to make it sound good like you're getting you know twenty thousand dollars cash let's say in your pocket but you're getting your training stipended your or your training fee paid you're getting strength and addition covered by the US that that those those people there you're getting health you know benefits and stuff like that so that really adds up to a$50,000 package but to be honest if we're really being honest you're getting twenty thousand dollars in your pocket right and that's what you have to pay to live and it is kind of tough and here's the here's the problem with the you know it's it's a a give and take you know what do you if if if the top Olympian with them with the biggest medal if that's what they're getting paid what does the the the the lower level guys get you know I'm saying like that's that's a little deflating you know I I'll go on his side right now you know and say man you know this format for me only worked because of the Olympic training center because you had people you know you had your food you had your dorm room you had all these things you had and you and then all of a sudden you had your strength and conditioning you had your your sports med you had everything right there and then you got paid some stipend whether it was and at that point realistically if we're talking just to be completely fair if it's 500 bucks a month 600 bucks a month 700 bucks a month at least that's free money you know it's not it's not tied to I gotta go pay for my the place where I live I got to pay for my electricity I got to go pay for my food like you could choose to go eat out and spend your money how you want but at least you have all your essentials and you could just focus on training. So I don't again and this is me just talking I don't really know about the 100% setup of where their money goes but it again according to what he was saying which is you know his daughter's in the program it sounds like it's a little bit twisted and our coaches are making over six figures three of them three at least one of them making over two of them making over six figures is what I've what I've heard and that's that's three coaches and a lot of athletes not getting the support they need sounds and they're looking to bring in another one and we need another coach we gotta bring in another coach we need another coach I know we talked about before but think about what look at my face we need another coach yeah listen that's that's that's look at again what do you what comes first you know the you know the the the horse or the cart you know what what do you do and stuff like that I mean you need coaches but at the same time you know you know you need uh you know you need you need to pay the athletes so they can you know they can live and stuff like that and I agree with you at the Olympic training center if they have a dormitory if North Carolina had a dormitory and they said listen you know we'll give you X amount of dollars and you live in the dormitory you eat free you you stay free and here's 1500 bucks here's$2,000 here's three thousand dollars a month now that's that's pretty yeah it's pretty good but under the circumstances right they you know they said you know what we want to move to North Carolina and we'll bring all our athletes out here and give them all this access oh yeah by the way go find your own you know apartment go find your own house you know and that's and it's not cheap here I don't care what nobody says I I was reading this it's not it's not like you just living for pennies over here you know what I mean especially in the area that they're in next to the next to the um next to the the college the the university I mean that area in itself is a little expensive but yeah yeah yeah it's not cheap to go find an apartment that you're just you know throwing away money on every month you know but you know again I listen and I I I'm gonna I'll apologize because I have no idea what it what it takes to run an entire organization when as far as financial as far as all the people in place but you know you got you know you got a CEO you got a COO you have you know I don't know the person that runs the event you they have a lot of people it seems like you know I wanted to know what the in even the director of athlete affairs and stuff like that. I mean these are real jobs that people have but I almost feel like some of it and again this is I'm gonna just what was the last one you said director of what athlete affairs what is that's that's Sherman right yeah yeah I mean I don't want to you know but again I'm not sure I I I know that okay you do some media stuff like I'm just not sure how how important that is to the the grand scheme of producing medals and you know you know I'm saying I'm not trying to take away anyone's job that's the last thing I want to do but man it's gotta make sense and I don't know and it and I'm only now I'm going on the athlete side if athletes are complaining that they need more money they need more resources that the top ones and then you have all these other outside you know things I mean it's you know I know I I don't want to push Mr Grandmaster Perez's buttons but again the COO what what you know you you got a CEO and a COO.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

I mean that might make sense in a 14 company if you have a CEO and you have a COO it means you either your CEO is not doing his job or the COO is on his knees or or over a table. And so that's just the way it works. The USAT is a nonprofit that all its money is supposed to go back into the development of sport athletes and so the best nonprofit in the world is United Way 80% of its money goes back into which and then followed by the Olympic committee um 80% of the money goes back into the the actual thing they're trying to accomplish so when you look at the USAT's budget you have to look at the percentage of money they bring in the percentage of money they get from the USOC and see how much of that goes to salaries and infrastructure and how much of it actually gets into battle performance and athletes that are being supported so if your athletes aren't being when you support an athlete you bring an athlete out to a program you're supposed to provide um the basic needs housing food transportation and events so you know for example my son is at a professional academy in this particular academy there are kids that get housing they get food they get transportation they get education and all their expenses and travels is paid for there are kids that live locally like us we don't need the two things but that's a professional sport academy and that's what they do with their money from their organization and they're a nonprofit and and nonprofits are supposed to do that. The profit portion of it is different. The other soccer clubs and and and other professional clubs do the same thing. So USAT the question becomes is it manifesting its true mission and it's an argument which they should be challenged this year because the window to challenge the organization would be this year but I don't think anybody's paying attention to it. And you could challenge their right to be the NGB and then they would take a hard look at the finances and these people that are complaining about money. On the other thing you guys were talking about which I didn't want to say anything about but I will say now is you guys when you talk about athletes making money and how much of that money gets back to them your athletes are supposed to be mission critical focused on performance. They shouldn't be out doing seminars and doing stuff unless it's at a time when they have a downtime there have been there's a long history of USAT using its athletes as the people in camps. It's not uncommon in colleges and other places to use your athletes for the camps but they get paid they get paid there's a difference there it's not a give back. So when you have an athlete if the USAT wants to act as a broker for athletes who want to do seminars then they should open it up to all athletes not just resident athletes it should be act as a brokerage free and there should be a five or 10% fee made from the seminar back to USAT for administration. And if they want to make a profit off it's different. But it shouldn't be limited to only the people that you choose they should be broken or teaching those only people they actually don't have the right to do that.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

They're treating themselves like a for-profit corporation and I'm gonna say you got you got some of our 17 18 19 year old kids that are still learning themselves out here going and just portraying around and doing seminars and stuff I'm not saying they have nothing to teach I'm not saying it's not good to be around the kids I'm not saying any of that as an athlete I did seminars and stuff too so I get it. But the way it's kind of been formulated and put together now it feels strange. And then when I do see you know disheartening comments about pay faith directly that only goes to show me like there's got to be an issue with that.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

There's got to be an issue it it it's it's already I don't I don't I don't know who the guy is but I've heard rumors that he's got a big mouth so welcome to the big mouth club. So now it's now it's turned on him so what he's realized is what Jay Warwick realized and a lot of other people it's just a matter of time before you're the guy it turns on. So Jay Warwick was on the USAT's teat and he took as much money as he could from him as a non-performer and then I warned him it we his time would come and sure enough his time came. And when it was time to throw somebody under the bus they threw Jay under the bus and ran him over a few times. Now he's back and so anybody that does this they get what they deserve.

SPEAKER_05 34:24

No but like Han let me let me circle back. So Tia you talked about the Olympic training center you know Hung you talked about giving you know basic needs and stuff. I think that's where this big jump to North Carolina while it seemed pretty good and but and and right now I know they've got a bunch of younger kids out there some like level two type kids out there that they're giving a little bit of money to but those kids have to have to find their own I mean I'm gonna assume they have some kind of money that their families can go out there and get an apartment and stuff like that and stay with their kid because um I mean my kid certainly couldn't he had to have enough money to kind of get his own apartment matter of fact he doesn't he lives with two other people he lives with the family but what I'm saying is going to North Carolina where you have all these resources seemed good but I think ultimately it'll be doomed because unless they have a place for these people to live only the kids that have money will be able to go out there and actually do it. No only the kids have money. Even if you say you know what I'll give you$2,000 a month you up and coming kid$2,000 a month to get an apartment and to feed yourself and then to drive your car back and forth that's not enough. You won't be able to do it. So and that's if I mean that's if you're the a superstar good that they think they're gonna give you you know two grand or or more you know I mean most of these kids are probably getting$500$750. So that means mom and dad have to be able to go and get an apartment.

Athlete Pay, Seminars, And Stipends

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Look I I don't know many it's gonna be tough and so that's because of the travel aspect we talk about you know they pay for them to travel here and travel there and travel this and do this and do that. And it seems like it offsets itself but again we said it before I know you said it a bunch is it necessary like I'm gonna say there's no real plan when it comes to where they go and what they do and what the money they spend stuff on and who's going in what direction they've got all these kids in a ball and going everyone's gonna do this or everyone's gonna do this all of them first of all they're not at the same level that's where we that's like you said that yeah they're not when people people say oh they're at the academy they're world class no they're not no there's like three of them there's like three of them maybe more maybe four but yeah so it but but they are afforded the benefits of going around with those top people there should be two separate camps you know I it's I guess once again here we go we talk about planning and organizing and structuring and who's doing that who's doing that just putting them in the room with everybody and taking them along on the trips with everybody is not the real development.

SPEAKER_05 36:54

It's a it's a it's a cheap uh fake way of saying you have a plan. It's not a plan. Actually I had a conversation today with GB because they want to do a seminar they want to do a training camps in in with Brazil. And I was saying one of our models is we invest in our national team you know this TJ we have a pretty solid national team top to bottom and then we we look at the divisions that are strongest for the Olympics and what athletes are in there and then we kind of pull them to side and funnel them up to invest in them. So we don't neglect our national team at all. Matter of fact we do things with it but we also have to be professional and realistic and say what athletes are on another tier and how do we steer them towards the Olympic games. So the the cycle can keep going you can get medals at the top but when they're gone you you have this good push from the bottom I think that's where they're missing.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

And we go go back to the world championships we talked about some of those kids that were on the national team that got coached by second and third tier coaches that you know didn't get any you know real help from the the head coaches um and that's that's a lack of planning and that's a lack of um investment or even long term development they just refuse to work with anyone that quote unquote doesn't do what they say in that moment like we had kids on those uh grand prix uh one of those uh grand pre challenges that they did they decided not to coach that went to the under 21 like they're on one of our national teams coming up that was crazy and we wasted that like I said we talked about we wasted that opportunity to be in the ring with him if we're really trying to win that's my whole thing I don't care what you're if you're really trying to win don't tell me that's one of the opportunities we should miss with these kids it's impossible but you know just stick stick with what you were saying just because we were talking about Brazil I mean I can sit here and I've been I've had the chance to be in the room and see a lot of those guys and be around a lot of those guys you they probably have one two three four and five there's probably four guys you can probably pinpoint they go hey we can do this for it we there's another four girls we can go hey we can do this with we don't have four people who's after Christina who's after cj who's after any of them who's number two who's after he who's after healy nobody they ruined that with rusty a long time ago when they wanted to berate him around at three international openings when he wasn't ready for it just to say they were doing it just in case he beat uh healy at that competition they should they've been they've been doing this shit like this is it's so funny that I I still get worked up a little bit but this shit has been on repeat for like the what last eight years seven years it's just yeah again people difference people it's true people forget about the rusty I mean you know who rusty is yeah rusty was this what 6'11 yeah he was a big man 6'10 oh yeah heavyweight and he was trading with me at um well me and coach Bartlett bought him in when I was at the world class athletes program and he came into us as like a early just got his black belt red belt to black belt like a red belt yeah red belt and he came in he went through the program went through basic training did all the things we got him into the program and I was obviously this kid's like seven feet tall almost so he has a little bit of advantage but you know we got him trained up he Started fighting competitions. He beat Lambdon. He beat Healy at one of those when those Grand Prix challenges wasn't weren't quote unquote important. He fought Lambdon at the I think there was a US Open, beat him at the US Open. Same, same. And then all of a sudden, it's USAT, just like they did with Calfani, just the same, the same thing. And I'm gonna go one more, just like they did with Michael. You start winning, you start showing some progression, like you might be better than the guys that they currently have, and they pulled you. Yeah, and they had this kid who we did some cool things. We did some cool things, we beat some good people in some good situations. But as far as like going to a G2 and then another G2 and then a G1 back to back to back, he wasn't ready for that. But they had to do it. And obviously, my boss is like, oh, they're gonna pay for him to travel, they're investing in him. No, they're shrinking him. They they they they they want to be able to say that they have some kind of contact, ruined him. You know what I mean? But they're just that's just what they do, though. That that's just how they that's how they see themselves becoming successful. It's not about the work, it's not about understanding where this kid comes from, it's not about understanding where they are currently before they take him into the program. It's just about having them, and then after that, on your own.

SPEAKER_05 41:02

That's funny because then when it doesn't pan out, ah, he wasn't good. Like you know, I'm saying they was he not good, or did you not develop them right? And that's uh one of our critiques all the way through is that you're not developing them right. I mean, uh Kafani is the same guy.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

They had two shots at him. He started with them. That's my that's the crazy butt he started with them first, went away. Yeah, Calfani started with them first, went away, came back, joined the military, started doing some good stuff. They had to have him back up there. Obviously, you know, he's gonna make the Olympic team, they're gonna, he's gonna be an Olympic movement. It's uh the windows closing, all this, all the all that bullshit. Um, and and here we are. And I hope that kid wraps back around and gets back into the system, but he's not at our national center anymore.

SPEAKER_05 41:42

That that's that's a good thing to bring up because when they had him, they they basically pushed him aside because they didn't think he had it. And he had a decision to make. Is he gonna go with the WCAP or stay with the the program? He he felt like he was getting pushed out, he goes to WCAP. Lo and behold, he gets developed, he starts winning, gets a medal at a grand prix, does all some pretty good things, and they pull him back. So at one point, they didn't need him, they didn't think he was good enough, and he left. And then as soon as he started doing good, they brought him back. And look lo and behold, now he's out of the program again. So I'm not sure what that says about their overall development. And I know we're I'm in, we're opening up a can of worms now. Um, you know, this gentleman that was talking about the financial stuff with the athletes. Uh again, I've heard that no longer the head coach is no longer gonna coach her. Whether it's her fault or his fault, I don't know, but so quickly do we fall out of favor.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Who's not coaching? Oh, I know you're talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:45

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'll say it. I mean, uh if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. People can you know call in and correct me, but I was told that Christina's not gonna be coached by Gareth anymore, and they're not getting along. And again, I don't know whose fault it is. I don't know if it's a coach's fault. I'm not blaming him this time, or it's her fault. I'm not blaming her.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

It's the coach's fault. This is the second time. This is not the first athlete that got an Olympic medal, and then all of a sudden there's an issue. It has to be the only common denominator is him and the program and what the hell ever is going on up there. Yeah, I mean world champions leave the room. Our world champion left the room, our our grand, our our our Pedam Games gold medalist Maddie left the room. I mean, think about what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 43:22

More importantly, women.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

All of them.

SPEAKER_05 43:24

More importantly, women. Listen, you got a point. And so I what I'm saying is, you know, it's it's in that person, there's a disconnect, and and can't we keep our best people? Can't we keep them? Like this is like I guess where I'm going with this. I I I wanted people to remember the rusty. How many years ago, and like you say, we're just rinse, recycle, repeat. It just seems like it keeps happening. Go back to Anastasia. How does she just all of a sudden she psycho? She can't do it anymore? Okay, I can't do it anymore. Like, Christine can't do it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Like, what is when you have a what's the problem? Athlete, what'd you call him? What'd you call Sherman? Athlete advocate. Uh what'd you call him? Uh uh Athlete Appreciation Day. The head of you said how the how athlete advocate, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

He advocates he's not an advocate. No, he's not an ad, he's not an athlete advocate. Yeah, that's actually affairs.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

Athlete affairs. That one.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

Yeah, he's a that's a professional position that would require him to be actually able to do something.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

When you have your athlete affairs, they can't hear you. Who are we saying? Say hi. Who's this?

SPEAKER_05 44:36

She can't hear you because I got my earphone. Hello. He says hi. Come here, Natalia. This is my artist. Come here. This is Natalia.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

I need you to paint me. Tell her I need to paint me like one of the French women. You saw that? Yeah, I did. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

She needs to paint you another Batman.

SPEAKER_01 44:59

Yeah. You're a hater, Dad. You can't help. I'm gonna send you one. That's it. You're getting one. But back to my point. Back to my point. Let me do this my point. Let me put this up.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

You started no, hold on. You started the podcast dressed like the uni bomber. So just so we're clear. You had your hood on. You know, I called ice, man. They'll be there any minute. Young, I just sent you a picture. Check, check this picture out. Oh no, let me see. Where is it? On my on my uh thing.

SPEAKER_05 45:22

On your phone, fool. Your message. How I was looking at it.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

I'm looking. I'm looking.

SPEAKER_05 45:26

Smoke signal? The fuck? I don't know. Oh, that is really good. That is really emailed it. She did that in like two minutes.

unknown 45:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:34

How long it takes? Wow. An hour. An hour. It's beautiful. Beautiful. It's crazy. You know who's Sappho is.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

It takes us an hour to start this podcast.

SPEAKER_05 45:46

Hey, it's because I don't let her out of the room. I say, stay in your room and you draw that until I say you're done. That's how you got a teacher.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

That's the way it should be.

unknown 45:54

Right?

SPEAKER_03 45:55

That's the way it should be. That's what they need.

Nonprofit Budgets And NGB Accountability

SPEAKER_01 45:57

Let me finish my comment before I forget, though. Okay, sorry. No, it's okay. It's okay. When you have the athlete advocate or whoever he's supposed to be, tell like I've had conversations with him before, and he's telling me that this person is crazy. She's crazy. She's crazy. She's this. Like, first of all, you can't say that.

SPEAKER_05 46:13

Nope. That's that you gotta be. We're gonna get down to it. We're gonna figure it out. You cannot say she's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

That's when the organization is yeah, when the organization is paying you, all those guys up there protecting their job. So one person does something stupid, the person next to them can't say you did something stupid because then that person's gonna have an issue with them, and it just sprinkles down and down and down and down and down. And then before you know it, we got someone coaching eight athletes at the world championships that shouldn't be coaching one.

SPEAKER_05 46:40

Yeah, that's it's a big issue. I mean, and that's why it's just uh that's why the AC AAC needs to be strong. That's a whole nother story, but uh hey, I don't want to lighten up the mood, but what happened to Real Madrid? I didn't watch it, I didn't see it. Soccer guy watched and a co like no, he didn't probably watch it. Copa Copa del Rey, Real Madrid lost to a division two team that was like the number 16 team in division two and got knocked out of the cup.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

Is that is that bigger soccer though? Like, does that happen? Do those big upsets like that happen often or not really? No, not almost never, but but I wrote it down right here.

SPEAKER_05 47:25

I go, but isn't that sport? Isn't that why we should fight? Isn't that why you should play the football game? Isn't that why you should play the basketball game? Like, if if if not, that team would never get a chance to play Real Madrid and beat them. They would just, oh, you're not good enough. Go. I always use myself, Juan Moreno, you're you're 17, you're you're not good enough to beat Daysung Lee. And and look what happened, you know. And I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 47:50

I know you could have some some stop gaps, you know, if you don't want to have a you ruined you ruined that man's life. He's never been the same.

SPEAKER_05 47:58

I talk to him all the time. Recently, I've talked to him more in the last six months than ever.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

I did talk to him. I told him I told him to come back from China, but it was a tough, it was a tough decade for him for a while. Tough day, he had a tough minute, yeah, yeah. But he recovered well, unlike unlike Jay Warwick. Daysong at least made a life for himself. So he didn't keep trying to rehash the inevitable of what was happening. There was a zephyr on the horizon. There was a Shiraco, there was a tormented tornado of a whirlpool of disaster coming at him named Juan Moreno. Little did he know.

SPEAKER_05 48:37

Disaster. Something like that. Something like that.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

Yeah, that's what happened. So that's life. And so luckily I was able to forestay all the potential disasters and put them where they should be, back in the cheap seats. But they weren't the quality of a Juan Moreno. It's hard to beat the quality of a Juan Moreno.

SPEAKER_05 48:56

They can't see you. You guys can sit down because I'm higher. My family's about to eat, and they're like, Can you move? Okay, I'll move. Fine.

SPEAKER_03 49:02

We can't see you. But now we can see you.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

No, they can't see it.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

What are they what are they eating?

SPEAKER_05 49:07

Eating fried beans? We have beans. We have rice beans, meat, and tortillas. We're Mexican, man.

SPEAKER_03 49:17

We're not like my food is good. I made I made some ropa vieja the other day, some black beans. Um is Brazil doing US Open?

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Isn't like the big guys doing US Open? No.

SPEAKER_05 49:32

Some, not all. Not all. Because we have our our uh uh Grand Slam uh before that. So it's a team trials. Oh, okay. But like our a lot of our good guys don't have to do the team trials because they already have wild cards. So we're like we're we're keeping it all open. But um, yeah, some some Brazilians will, but not not the national team. Not we're not going as a national team. Yeah, it should be good. But yeah, but I'm really I'm curious. I'm curious, you know, Mexico will probably be there. Um I'm sure some Canadians are you doing both? Are you doing Canada and US Open? Yeah, did you decide?

SPEAKER_01 50:10

Yeah, I'm gonna do probably I bought the tickets and stuff the other day. It's gonna be tough, but we um go to Canada, come back. I think I'll get back on like the first and then leave again on the fifth.

SPEAKER_05 50:20

Yeah, I'm gonna get rid of that.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

Let's do that weekend though. Yeah, the fifth, the fifth through the ninth, I think.

SPEAKER_05 50:25

Probably by the seventh, young, I'll I'll be able to you know finance anything you need because I should be about about two, three million up, you know, and on the blackjack tables and the roulette. Maybe I'll play some baccarat.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

For some reason, I think I'm gonna see you in the car.

SPEAKER_04 50:40

I'm gonna see you in that car.

SPEAKER_03 50:42

Are you going to Vegas? Hangover. You should go to Vegas. Me? Yeah, yeah. Nah, man. I go to I go to Vegas. I just go to Vegas to hang. I eat food that I like to eat.

SPEAKER_05 50:52

You you go you go and me and TJ walk behind you just in case anybody tries to jump you. Because I know you need some backup because I know you're getting how old are you? I'm getting old. I'm old.

SPEAKER_03 51:00

Yeah, 66, man. 66. Yeah. No, no, I don't react anymore because I'm all right.

SPEAKER_05 51:07

Next year you're gonna be 6'7, 67. Finally, he's gonna be so happy for a year.

SPEAKER_03 51:12

He's gonna walk around. By then it by then it'll be over. By then it'll be over. Probably. It's over now.

SPEAKER_05 51:20

Yeah, I'm about to be the double nickel.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

No, I can't try. I have a shirt from that that I had made when I was there. I was still playing in the band. I said, I can't, it says I can't drive 55 mindset. I think I can't be 55. So uh Samuel Hager show.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

I'm gonna be 44-0.

SPEAKER_05 51:38

Yo, what are you gonna do for the birthday, man? You gotta have a batch, man.

SPEAKER_01 51:41

No, I don't want to lay on my couch and try to recover because I'm getting old, drink some tea in bed, you know, just like take a nap.

SPEAKER_05 51:49

I was gonna use the word that I was about to use the word politically not correct, but I'm gonna leave that one go.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

Is there such a word? Is there really a word?

SPEAKER_03 51:57

Well, I'm sure this podcast is going to uh it's gonna it's gonna instill and create much uh consternation among the powers that be that don't listen to it that say they don't anyway. But um, I don't apologize for anything that we said or will say or should have said and didn't say. But um with with all that said, it's uh it's time to wind it down, I think, if you guys want, because we're almost at an hour. Any last closing thoughts we have? But I would remind everybody I put the link so it's in TJ's capable hands. So if you listen to this podcast, TJ, what is it? How do they find out the link?

SPEAKER_01 52:35

I'll uh I'll post it to my um I'll post it on my Facebook page after I make the page. I'll post the link to the Facebook page and then open up the invites. You'll you'll have to do like the other one. You'll click you want to join, I'll hit accept, you'll be in, and then you'll have the information for the Zoom.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

And I I don't I don't like I don't have a PCAT. Like I don't have a PCAT, I don't have access to that page, and I don't go to that page. I go there anonymously because you get on the FBI's watch list for child predators.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

We're not doing none of that, uh we're not doing none of that um that anonymous uh you can leave anonymous notes on our thing. We're doing something to say, you guys say it with your chest just so you know.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

I take all I take I take all the comments off. Uh I take I got tired of talking to the dumb people, so I take the comments off certain things.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

I just like to see the comments. I don't really comment back too much unless they make me, but anyway, somebody comments to me. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_03 53:25

I think it's you know just because of my peace and love.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

You know what? They open that door a whirlwind, it's bad.

SPEAKER_03 53:32

Oh, they don't want to.

SPEAKER_05 53:33

I I guess that's why that's why I'm I'm curious to go to well, I'm I'm excited about going to U.S. Open just because of that. Like, I love to have a conversation with somebody too, but I'm sure I'm sure I'll be left alone.

SPEAKER_01 53:45

They'll say, How do you like it's all good? That's my favorite part. I talk about shit, and then people are like, Hey, how are you doing? What do you mean how I'm doing? Oh, yeah, exactly.

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SPEAKER_03 53:51

Like nothing, yeah. When's Vegas? The 5th through the 9th of March. March. March. Maybe I'll go. I like that's a good time for it. Maybe I'll go. You're gonna buy me down here. I'll go to I'll go to my favorite Spanish restaurant, Jalio, with uh Jose Andres. All right, and then I'll go to eat Cali and eat some food. All right, like we said, we're sorry, not sorry, not sorry. I'll be there. If you can find me, you'll see me. If you can't see me, you won't see me. I'll be at the uh I'm gonna go see uh TJ's cousin at the Michael Jackson show. But we are out. I got it, it'll be uh